The Baltimore riot...

[tfcrew]

..of 1968.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_riot_of_1968

The immediate cause of the rioting was the April 4 assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Memphis, Tennessee, which triggered riots in 125 cities across the United States. These events are sometimes described as the Holy Week Uprising.^[1]
Spiro T. Agnew, the Governor of Maryland, called out thousands of National Guard troops and 500 Maryland State Police to quell the disturbance. When it was determined that the state forces could not control the riot, Agnew requested Federal troops from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

The Chicago Seven Conspiracy Trial    Historical Documents
 Anti-Riot Act
 The Chicago conspiracy trial defendants were the first individuals prosecuted under the anti-riot provisions that Congress incorporated in the Civil Rights Act of 1968. The U.S. House of Representatives in 1967 overwhelmingly passed a version of the anti-riot provision in response to the urban riots of that summer and assertions from some members of Congress that African-American political activists had instigated the violence. The Senate included the provision in an open housing bill, and although President Johnson and Attorney General Ramsey Clark did not support the anti-riot provision, the administration accepted it to secure passage of the civil rights measure.
 
 [Document Source: 82 Stat. 75.]
 
 2101. Riots
 
 (a) (1) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent –
 
 (A) to incite a riot; or (B) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or (C) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or (D) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph shall be fined not more than $10,000, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. (b) In any prosecution under this section, proof that a defendant engaged or attempted to engage in one or more of the overt acts described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) and (1) has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce, or (2) has use of or used any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including but not limited to, mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, to communicate with or broadcast to any person or group of persons prior to such overt acts, such travel or use shall be admissible proof to establish that such defendant traveled in or used such facility of interstate or foreign commerce.

http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/tu_chicago7_doc_11.html

The Baltimore riot of 2015

 from Ferguson  August 20, 2014............. The Anti Riot Act.  One more law unenforced by this administration. By James Longstreet   Inciting a riot is against the law.  Crossing state lines to incite riots exacerbates the violation of the law breaking.  Yet the President and the Attorney General don’t mention this law-breaking.  We begin to see where exactly the allegiances of Obama and Holder really reside.
To call for calm is not to say “We will arrest and prosecute if you break the law.”  Instead we get the “let no crisis go to waste” lateral move that we must examine our criminal justice system.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/08/the_anti_riot_act_one_more_law_unenforced_by_this_administration.html
Gives me the feeling that these riots this year are deliberately ignored by the administration.

The Chicago riots were incited by the police anyway.

[Larry1]

Baltimore has long been a violent pit of a city.  But this week's riots were much worse than the usual, even for Baltimore. And from the reports I've read the police on the scene did little to stop the violence, arson, and looting.

One small business owner called the police 50 times but they never came. The looters ransacked his store.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059382/Smashed-looted-burned-mob-inside-destruction-Baltimore-shopkeepers-tell-fled-burning-shops-one-says-called-police-50-times-came.html

At his Quest gas station Mr Nagpal said that as the riots raged last night, he walked up to the police seven blocks away and asked for help. He said: 'The lieutenant said they were busy but what were they doing? There was nobody to protect us. The rioters said they were guna burn this place down.

'I've called 911 ten  times since 6am. Nothing. I've lost $20,000 worth of stock and about $50,000 in total because they smashed the bulletproof glass - just because they wanted to grab cigarettes.
'The mayor let people do what they wanted. We are a busy gas station and we are the neighborhood store.

We try to help everyone out. 'We're going to talk to our community people and close down all the gas stations. The BP guy next door was told that he had to leave or they would kill him. He ran for his life.'

The gas station manager Andrea Allen, 50, added: 'We couldn't get police to come. They didn't send any officers to help. 'We stressed that it was a gas station and the rioters were here but they sent no help. Even the alarm system was on the phone to them but they didn't come.

'One guy who was rioting was saying: I've got a big load of medicine' - he was bragging about the stuff he stole. I saw people speeding up the road to the mall to steal more stuff.

'When they came to us they said: 'You don't sell no gas, we guna blow you up. What could we do?'

There are lots of photos of the looted and burned out businesses at the link above.

I can't imagine why people aren't moving away from there at an even faster rate.

[tfcrew]

from the reports I've read the police on the scene did little to stop the violence, arson, and looting.

Through orders from the White House.
 
 

[2tallbill]

Baltimore is not America’s problem or shame. That failed city is solely and completely a Democrat problem. Like many failed cities, Detroit comes to mind, and every city besieged recently by rioting, Democrats and their union pals have had carte blanche to inflict their ideas and policies on Baltimore since 1967, the last time there was a Republican Mayor.

In 2012, after four years of his own failed policies, President Obama won a whopping 87.4% of the Baltimore City vote. Democrats run the city of Baltimore, the unions, the schools, and, yes, the police force. Since 1969, there have only been only been two Republican governors of the State of Maryland.

read more here
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/28/baltimore-is-a-democrat-problem-not-americas-problem/

[jone]

Last time I looked, Bill, Democrats were American.  Living in the People's Republic of Kalifornia, I can attest that just because a State is Blue does not mean that there aren't Americans living there.

[Larry1]

Baltimore is not America’s problem or shame. That failed city is solely and completely a Democrat problem. Like many failed cities, Detroit comes to mind, and every city besieged recently by rioting, Democrats and their union pals have had carte blanche to inflict their ideas and policies on Baltimore since 1967, the last time there was a Republican Mayor.

In 2012, after four years of his own failed policies, President Obama won a whopping 87.4% of the Baltimore City vote. Democrats run the city of Baltimore, the unions, the schools, and, yes, the police force. Since 1969, there have only been only been two Republican governors of the State of Maryland.

read more here
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/28/baltimore-is-a-democrat-problem-not-americas-problem/

Bill, Obama explains why the looting is partially the fault of the Republicans:

During his press conference today, President Obama addressed the violence in Baltimore, claiming his political agenda would help solve some of the problems found in impoverished urban communities, such as the one where the violence occurred.

“There’s a bunch of my agenda that would make difference right now in that,” he said, calling for more funding for early education, criminal justice reform and job training.

... “I’m under no illusion that under this Congress we’re going to get massive investments in urban communities,” he said, adding that it was important to work to improve communities anyway.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/28/obama-on-baltimore-republican-congress-wont-invest-in-urban-communities/

Updated to add this link to an video that shows a group of Baltimore "youths" robbing an RT reporter (I think a FSUW) of her bag:



There is a bit more here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-shows-rt-reporter-robbed-baltimore-protests-article-1.2200084

The RT reporter's name is reported to be Paulina Leonovich:

Leonovich was filming when a crowd of young men gathered around her and began shouting in support of Gray. “This is for Freddie G.,” one man said. Others flocked around Leonovich and began yelling aggressively and flipping off the camera. Then someone in the growing crowd stole Leonovich’s bag. The group scattered, and the journalist gave chase.

“Give it back,” a distraught Leonovich can be heard yelling repeatedly as she chases the scattering thieves. As she is in pursuit, several Baltimore police officers are seen grabbing one of the men and taking him to the ground. The man denies that he is the one who took Leonovich’s bag.

Leonovich is heard sobbing and trying to explain what happened to the officer and cuts the live feed shortly afterwards.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/26/russia-today-reporter-mobbed-robbed-as-she-films-baltimore-chaos-video/

Here is a photo of Paulina:

[Boethius]

When you have the number of deaths at the hands of police that has occurred in the United States in the last three years, you can't pin the blame on Republicans or Democrats.  It is a societal problem, and Americans need to look at what, in their society, and perhaps their policing models, causes this and the inevitable protests that follow.

[Anathema]

When you have the number of deaths at the hands of police that has occurred in the United States in the last three years, you can't pin the blame on Republicans or Democrats.  It is a societal problem, and Americans need to look at what, in their society, and perhaps their policing models, causes this and the inevitable protests that follow.

 

[Boethius]

While I recognize you are limited in your political perspectives, ask yourself why, even factoring in population discrepancy, no other industrialized country with Western values has the level of deaths in police custody that occurs in the United States annually.
 
 

[Muzh]

While I recognize you are limited in your political perspectives, ask yourself why, even factoring in population discrepancy, no other industrialized country with Western values has the level of deaths in police custody that occurs in the United States annually.

Didn't you realize that all these other Western industrialized countries do NOT have the American exceptionalism? This should explain your query.

[Ed S.]

While I recognize you are limited in your political perspectives, ask yourself why, even factoring in population discrepancy, no other industrialized country with Western values has the level of deaths in police custody that occurs in the United States annually.

Because most the population is still stuck in the mentality that existed since the 1960s, crime is out of control and needs to be cracked down on. Never mind since the 1990's, crime rates dropped to a postwar low. I think most of the population has yet to appreciate the effects that the more hard nosed legal tactics have unintentionally sucked in a lot of people into the justice system that shouldn't. To dare to suggest so is a dangerous position to hold, especially among politicians.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/upshot/perceptions-havent-caught-up-to-decline-in-crime.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

[Steamer]

When you have the number of deaths at the hands of police that has occurred in the United States in the last three years, you can't pin the blame on Republicans or Democrats.  It is a societal problem, and Americans need to look at what, in their society, and perhaps their policing models, causes this and the inevitable protests that follow.

The reason that the white population doesn't get killed by police as often as the black population is that whites don't feel the need to disrespect then start a fist fight when approached by police. The video by Chris Rock "How not to get your a$$ kicked by the police" should be required viewing.

[calmissile]

When you have the number of deaths at the hands of police that has occurred in the United States in the last three years, you can't pin the blame on Republicans or Democrats. It is a societal problem, and Americans need to look at what, in their society, and perhaps their policing models, causes this and the inevitable protests that follow.

And the societal problem is that some feel they can get away with fighting with police.  The more they can get away with, the more it will encourage others.  Anyone stupid enough to fight with a cop should have their ass stomped!

[Muzh]

The reason that the white population doesn't get killed by police as often as the black population is that whites don't feel the need to disrespect then start a fist fight when approached by police. The video by Chris Rock "How not to get your a$$ kicked by the police" should be required viewing.

You are so full of it.

[Muzh]

And the societal problem is that some feel they can get away with fighting with police.  The more they can get away with, the more it will encourage others.  Anyone stupid enough to fight with a cop should have their ass stomped!

Doug, it was nice being born white and oblivious.


I'm NOT condoning the riot and looting in Baltimore. They are thugs and delinquents. However, the white population in this country better open their eyes. Soon.


P.S. The gringos always say to me "A Rican? I thought you were white!"

[Slumba]

When you have the number of deaths at the hands of police that has occurred in the United States in the last three years, you can't pin the blame on Republicans or Democrats.  It is a societal problem, and Americans need to look at what, in their society, and perhaps their policing models, causes this and the inevitable protests that follow.

There is a bit of truth to that, in that Israeli police and IDF veterans often train SWAT and regular police forces in the USA. 

This was all paid for by the Dept. of Homeland Security, under Michael Chertoff - a dual-passported Israeli citizen (probably throwing some business to relatives I guess)... the same Chertoff who immediately after leaving DHS started the Chertoff Group which represented the interests of the expensive, intrusive, and unproven body scanners that the DHS bought at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. 

Since 2002 or so, when the Israeli training ramped up in the USA, we have seen case after case of the worst kind of brutality. 

It is one thing to punch a protester in the stomach, and cause them to fall down ; but to kick a guy (who quietly allows himself to be taken into custody) repeatedly when already down and compliant, in such a way as to damage their spleen, then ignore their repeated requests for medical attention, finally resulting in the man requiring emergency spleen removal - and on top of that, to lie about it despite video evidence - it shows a true "us vs. them" attitude on the part of the police.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-ruptures-mans-spleen-fellow-cops-laugh-pics-lays-dying-begging-medical/  (BTW it was a white guy in this case - he owed a $60 bar tab and could not pay)

The methods used by the IDF and police forces in Israel, are wholly incompatible with USA laws and with American societal values, IMHO. 

The police/IDF can do what they want, in their own country, of course, subject to Israeli laws and society.  But that kind of behavior should not be tolerated in the USA - and Americans of any color, are not Palestinians.

[jone]

Slumba,

I'm sorry, but I do not follow your winding tale once again throwing our problems into the face of the Jews/Israelis.  This line of thought is simply absurd.  Yes, the Israelis may have done some training of police force individuals, but for you to think that Israeli police tactics have trickled down to the rank and file officers is simply not believable.

It almost comes across as if there is a problem in America - let's blame our 51st state, Israel!  (Our 52nd State is Canada.)

You must disabuse yourself of this blaming the Jews/Israelis.  They are too small of a country to be wagging the dog.  And you don't want to come across, again, as anti-Semitic.

[Steamer]

You are so full of it.

Never been to the big city I see. You and Boethius should both come to Detroit and show everyone how things should be.

[fathertime]

Having dealt with many of the issues firsthand I will comment a bit here. 


1.  There is a legit complaint here regarding the police abuse...the man was likely given a 'rough ride' and that ultimately led to his death. The protests now make the blacks look bad because of the manner they have been carried out.   


2.  There is a large segment of the black public that has serious problems with their place in society.  Largely they are responsible for this themselves as their family structure is often horrid, and it all starts there.  In addition, instead of being taught to respect and attempt to understand other's viewpoints, they are taught to fight first.  I see this first hand.   When the 1st inclination is to fight, that is going to lead to lots and lots of problems moving forward in our society.  From what I've seen, in public settings non-blacks (generally) give a wider berth to blacks, and usually want to get along.  This is the way I see it.   Everybody can improve a little bit, but I see the onus being on the blacks to reprogram themselves.  Those that have (and there are many) are succeeding in our society, those that don't are having problems. 


3.  The police have chosen to permit the protesters (and the cretins who are taking advantage) to vent and destroy other people's livelihoods, and even physically harm others.  This will end badly if it continues. 


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

Never been to the big city I see. You and Boethius should both come to Detroit and show everyone how things should be.

I never stated I know how things should be.  However, no one, other than Muzh, has addressed my post. 

So does American exceptionalism, as Muzh referred to, mean that those stopped by police deserve to be killed by an illegal chokehold, or by having their larynx crushed for seemingly innocuous crimes?  Should the families of the dead be told their loved ones don't matter? 

I  have been to cities in Europe that are three times the size of Detroit, and never felt unsafe, walking at any time of the day or night, even in allegedly "bad" areas.  Oddly, their police are not killing citizens at anywhere near the rate in the U.S.  So, since you seem to know all the answers, please explain to me why that is the case.

Perhaps Slumba is right.

[BillyB]

And the societal problem is that some feel they can get away with fighting with police.  The more they can get away with, the more it will encourage others.  Anyone stupid enough to fight with a cop should have their ass stomped!

I have a white guy working for me who got his azz kicked many times by white cops, some were females. He admits that he is not nice to cops when he's drunk. I told him cops work with the worst elements of society everyday and they get stressed. If you're the worst person they encounter on a bad day, they may just lose it.


Problems in society? What countries don't have problems? White people outnumber blacks in America yet black on black crime is much greater than white on black crime. Asians have been in this country less time than blacks yet the average Asian makes more than white people. There is plenty of opportunity for minorities in this country if they get their act together. No other country gives their minorities this opportunity to succeed.


Baltimore is 62% black. The previous mayor was black and resigned due to embezzling. The current mayor is black and made a statement she wanted to give those who wanted to destroy some space they can do their thing. Half the police force is black. People have voted for leadership that currently leads their city into decline. Unemployment is high and based off the destruction of businesses, more people will be out of jobs. Baltimore will follow Detroit due to poor leadership. Racism exists and unfortunately some people vote for people based off their skin color. Many voted for our current president just because he shares the same skin color as they and rejecting those who doesn't share the color of their skin.

[Larry1]

You are so full of it.

Trenchant rebuttal. But you wouldn't immediately descend to swearing if you knew that you didn't have a roof here.

[Boethius]

He doesn't have a roof here.

[Steamer]

So does American exceptionalism, as Muzh referred to, mean that those stopped by police deserve to be killed by an illegal chokehold, or by having their larynx crushed for seemingly innocuous crimes?  Should the families of the dead be told their loved ones don't matter? 

No, no and no. Do people stopped by police have the right to assault the cops for doing their job? How about then being all indignant about getting their heads bust like they have a right to hassle everyone?

I  have been to cities in Europe that are three times the size of Detroit, and never felt unsafe, walking at any time of the day or night, even in allegedly "bad" areas.  Oddly, their police are not killing citizens at anywhere near the rate in the U.S.  So, since you seem to know all the answers, please explain to me why that is the case.

I've been to a lot of European cities also and the worst Euro cities are safer than most US cities which helps to answer the second part of your question: Euro police don't kill their own citizens because they don't have to. They have a general respect for law and order. Unlike Detroit. Hope this clears things up for you.

[Larry1]

He doesn't have a roof here.

Then why is he allowed to swear at people while his forum antagonists are not?