Sexual attitudes/norms

[redking11]

I have been in contact with some women and am planning my first trip (Ukraine) in the next few weeks/month. I am not opposed to a sexual encounter with a woman I have been in contact with should it happen but before I go, I would really like to ask if there are any sexual norms/taboos ect that I should be aware of. If this topic is better discussed via private message please feel free to message. I assume that the language of love is mostly universal, but one never knows. 

[alex330]

Not much different than here. If she suggests you either of you should need a shower before bed green light means go.

[redking11]

So a shower before bed recommendation is the hint. Good to know, thanks for the advice. I might have just taken that as a clue to shower before our next date.

[redking11]

eeeemmm, so how direct should/can one be. "Would you like to come back to my place for a glass of wine" or  "I think you are beautiful, do you want to spend the night with me." I live in west texas/bible belt, I'm thinking there is a good chance things are different in Europe. Appearances of virtue are very important in my part of the country. 

[alex330]

It depends on the specific woman and the chemistry between the both of you, but generally I find RW a bit more open. Not sure I would just blurt it out, but that's just my personal approach.

[ML]

They will signal their readiness by saying they are going to take a shower, or they will just say "I want you."

FSU women will go for most anything . . . except don't try the Wheelbarrow or ask for the Jacksonville Jiggle on first event.

[redking11]

Lol! considering that I don't know what those are, I'm not too worried. Without going into the details, lets just say that my experiences of dating women in heavily southern baptist areas has taught me that sexual comparability is a real thing and it does matter. I would hate to meet a great lady, go home and invest several more months into her and a second trip only to discover that she believed love making was only for reproduction or that certain positions were "sinful". 

[JayH]

Lol! considering that I don't know what those are, I'm not too worried. Without going into the details, lets just say that my experiences of dating women in heavily southern baptist areas has taught me that sexual comparability is a real thing and it does matter. I would hate to meet a great lady, go home and invest several more months into her and a second trip only to discover that she believed love making was only for reproduction or that certain positions were "sinful".

What part of the US is she from?

[redking11]

I met her in west Texas but originally she was from the northern coast of Washington State believe it or not.  Some churches teach some strange stuff.

[redking11]

oh that paragraph describes two different women I have dated. Ergo, I don't presume that these attitudes are only found in one in a million women, 

[BillyB]

eeeemmm, so how direct should/can one be. "Would you like to come back to my place for a glass of wine" or  "I think you are beautiful, do you want to spend the night with me." I live in west texas/bible belt, I'm thinking there is a good chance things are different in Europe. Appearances of virtue are very important in my part of the country.

After a date, hold her and kiss her on the lips. Kiss more if she allows. Put your tongue in her mouth and see how well she takes it. If she sucks your tongue, it's a good sign. She may even give you her tongue. Move to light petting. She'll stop you when she wants but she'll at least want to know you're physically attracted to her if she likes you. If things seem good you may say "Stay with me tonight" or she may say first "I vant you" in a sexy accent.

The trend now is shaving the bush. Most FSU women like their men shaved downstairs.

If you are told to shower first by a woman you just met, make sure you bring your pants into the bathroom with you. Some men here have been robbed coming out of a shower with their pants and woman gone.

[JayH]

 

[BillyB]

What do you suggest? Sending people on their way with too little information? I prefer they be well educated before go to the FSU.

[wallm]

If you are told to shower first by a woman you just met, make sure you bring your pants into the bathroom with you. Some men here have been robbed coming out of a shower with their pants and woman gone.

What about the suitcase? 

[2tallbill]

eeeemmm, so how direct should/can one be. "Would you like to come back to my place for a glass of wine" or  "I think you are beautiful, do you want to spend the night with me." I live in west texas/bible belt, I'm thinking there is a good chance things are different in Europe. Appearances of virtue are very important in my part of the country.

Most FSUW don't have the sexual hangups that Western women have.

[redking11]

After a date, hold her and kiss her on the lips. Kiss more if she allows. Put your tongue in her mouth and see how well she takes it. If she sucks your tongue, it's a good sign. She may even give you her tongue. Move to light petting. She'll stop you when she wants but she'll at least want to know you're physically attracted to her if she likes you. If things seem good you may say "Stay with me tonight" or she may say first "I vant you" in a sexy accent.

The trend now is shaving the bush. Most FSU women like their men shaved downstairs.

If you are told to shower first by a woman you just met, make sure you bring your pants into the bathroom with you. Some men here have been robbed coming out of a shower with their pants and woman gone.

Yeah I agree a little too much detail, I was more worried about getting them back to the apartment. but the pants advice sounds like a good idea. I'm actually staying in a hotel so ill make sure to use the safe, if there is one.

[msmob]

Not much different than here. If she suggests you either of you should need a shower before bed green light means go.

So a shower before bed recommendation is the hint. Good to know, thanks for the advice. I might have just taken that as a clue to shower before our next date.

I really do hope you don't really need such advice ...judging by your comment on financial arrangements with any further Missus, I'm already forming an opinion this venture isn't for you ... sorry..

[redking11]

I really do hope you don't really need such advice ...judging by your comment on financial arrangements with any further Missus, I'm already forming an opinion this venture isn't for you ... sorry..

Then lucky for me, I've learned to enjoy the journey in and of itself even if I fail! Thanks for your opinion!

[2tallbill]

Yeah I agree a little too much detail, I was more worried about getting them back to the apartment. but the pants advice sounds like a good idea. I'm actually staying in a hotel so ill make sure to use the safe, if there is one.

For a second date invite them to your apartment (Don't stay in a hotel!!) for
a home cooked meal. Surely you have a couple of things that you can cook
up that a girl would like. I would suggest not Texican or anything remotely
spicy.

Even if you aren't much of a cook, you can cut up some cheese, fruit and a
few veggies, crackers, some chocolate then open a bottle of wine or champagnski.

Most FSUW would prefer that you made a pass at them a day early rather than a
day late. They want to know that you are attracted to them and that everything works.
They've had Russian men hitting on them since they entered puberty so they expect
that you will make a pass at them (so make a pass at them). If they aren't ready yet,
they are totally capable of letting you know and it doesn't kill the relationship like it
can with Western women where you are expected to read their minds     

So how direct should/can one be.

One of the most refreshing things about most FSUW is that they are direct. They don't
sit suffering in silence, angry that you didn't read their minds and determine that they
wanted X but not Y.

They will tell you exactly why they are mad in detail and they won't mope around for
three days first. I've never gotten the silent treatment by any FSUW that I've dated.
I have managed to get the opposite a number of times .

To answer your question be direct or just make a pass at her and stop worrying about
it.

[2tallbill]

Ok,

I have a question. Does anybody have a Cliff Notes version as to why
Redking is on watched status?

[ML]

Ok,

I have a question. Does anybody have a Cliff Notes version as to why
Redking is on watched status?

Because of his name.

[Gator]

Most FSUW don't have the sexual hangups that some Western women have.

Even more important, FSUW like sex, really like it.  They want to please and they want to be pleased.   Their gynecologist advises them it is healthy to have sex.   Nevertheless, I hear from my wife an occasional account of RW who have little interest in sex. 

[Gator]

eeeemmm, so how direct should/can one be.

The less talk, the better.     If she is interested in you, and her private personal situation is good, you should be feeling some vibes without having to suggest with words. 

Some FSUW may want to wait until the third date just to be sure you are not sex tourist.   And if you are meeting different women in her city, she will have much less interest. 

"Would you like to come back to my place for a glass of wine"

OK, but make sure you sense she is interested in you.   While walking with a date in her city, I asked for her help  to buy some good cheese...she led me to a good cheese shop..... later she wanted to try the cheese....so it happened. 

or  "I think you are beautiful, do you want to spend the night with me."

If you have to ask, forget it. 

[Tom_traveller]

There is another problem,  sex itself. I've met girls who like BDSM. But I categorically unacceptable this. Once I tried to change my opinion, when I was in St.Petersburg. I was at strip club, there is a pleasant interior and hot girls. This club has a stylized BDSM - room (nothing hard, just styling, imitation and game). I admired  the girls with whips, but I  felt bad,  not relax. I don't understand this.

(I found this  Zavistbar on youtube )

[msmob]

Tom

You are undoubtedly the expert on nightlife

But when sex is something you are paying for - that's all it is - a business relationship ..

This is not a 'norm' when we are surely discussing sex as part of a (hopefully) mutually symbiotic relationship - involving emotional interaction - however long-lasting - or not-  it might be

[Tom_traveller]

You right, thx I've just remember this experience when we talk about norms and taboos at sex. By the way, that's really interesting topic.

[2tallbill]

They will signal their readiness by saying they are going to take a shower, or they will just say "I want you."

FSU women will go for most anything . . . except don't try the Wheelbarrow or ask for the Jacksonville Jiggle on first event.

If you want to know something that will get a hard veto, just suggest that she
have her sister join in. 

[Gator]

If you want to know something that will get a hard veto, just suggest that she
have her sister join in. 

A even larger challenge is to play Rodeo.  ["From here you look just like your sister!"....then try to stay in the saddle for 8 seconds]

[2tallbill]

A even larger challenge is to play Rodeo.  ["From here you look just like your sister!"....then try to stay in the saddle for 8 seconds]

You can mix it up and say "Your sister is better"

[Gator]

You can mix it up and say "Your sister is better"

No.  I am not ready to die. 

[ML]

You can mix it up and say "Your sister is better"

Or maybe . . . your Mother.

[monte-321]

This is an interesting discussion and I follow it with some bemusement.  I have been to Kyiv 5 times and I can tell you sex is not going to fall out of the sky on you like magic....unless you buy it.  And yes, there is sex there to be bought and yes many of the working girls look like porn queens (many do not).  If you are buying it is easy to come by.  In the city of Kyiv, there are little sex shops scattered throughout the city.  My experience in traveling the world is if you do not speak the language and they do not speak English you are not getting any casual friendship sex.  Even if the girl is saying she will meet you and be intimate,  she will likely not meet you at all except MAYBE in a public place.  As well she will have someone with her until she gets some idea if you are safe.  You must understand this is for her safety and it is understandable really that she might become afraid of meeting her.  Men can still get away with beating and even raping a woman there.  It doesn't often  happen, but when it does there is usually alcohol involved.  Sex and scantily clad bodies are not taboo but they are not on conspicuous display either.  They tend to be like Hispanics here in the US.  Young and suggestive with clothing, or the lack thereof but not actually putting out for sex.   The women there tend to be without sexual hangups of any sort but they are NOT PROMISCUOUS. If they are not with a man their sex drive simply goes latent until they are with a man and this might be years.  Of course, some are more aggressive sexually, but they are not the mainstream woman.  If they decide to emotionally embrace you then yes, it will probably be the greatest sex of your life.  If you meet a woman and you connect you will likely make at least one trip where you do not kiss on the lips even, but they will do the cheek kissing thing and they will hold your hand. You might make two or more trips to her before there is any sex. If they put their arm in yours to walk the street.....that is a good sign.  That is what women there do with someone they are close to.  An interesting thing I have learned there is tall women in many cases do not mind being with a shorter man.  My girlfriend there is two inches taller than me and she still wears her high boots out.  It doesn't bother me and it doesn't bother her.  Once they decide to be with you......Katy bar the door.......they have no sexual hangups.
Monte

[JayH]

This is an interesting discussion and I follow it with some bemusement.   
Monte

 
Good post and excellent observations that I concur with.I could have written quite a lot of that post! (wait-I probably have in previous times !!)
I qualify additionally-- it needs to be the right guy-- not just any guy.

On height -- some of the things i still chuckle over -I have dated a few tall girls. I am 182 cms ( ie just under 6') and relatively slim(    )  and met with girl who is 186 cm ( 6'1'+) who arrived on date in 5" heels !!  .What made me laugh was she exclaimed--'you are tall" !!  She was used to being taller than most guys and it did not worry her towering over me !
The one thing I still have a problem with now is that my inclination when alongside my girl ( 171cm) is to move my head down to speak to her -- only to have to look across or up when she is wearing heels !

[msmob]

This is an interesting discussion and I follow it with some bemusement.  I have been to Kyiv 5 times and I can tell you sex is not going to fall out of the sky on you like magic....unless you buy it.  And yes, there is sex there to be bought and yes many of the working girls look like porn queens (many do not).  If you are buying it is easy to come by.  In the city of Kyiv, there are little sex shops scattered throughout the city.  My experience in traveling the world is if you do not speak the language and they do not speak English you are not getting any casual friendship sex.  Even if the girl is saying she will meet you and be intimate,  she will likely not meet you at all except MAYBE in a public place.  As well she will have someone with her until she gets some idea if you are safe.  You must understand this is for her safety and it is understandable really that she might become afraid of meeting her.  Men can still get away with beating and even raping a woman there.  It doesn't often  happen, but when it does there is usually alcohol involved.  Sex and scantily clad bodies are not taboo but they are not on conspicuous display either.  They tend to be like Hispanics here in the US.  Young and suggestive with clothing, or the lack thereof but not actually putting out for sex.   The women there tend to be without sexual hangups of any sort but they are NOT PROMISCUOUS. If they are not with a man their sex drive simply goes latent until they are with a man and this might be years.  Of course, some are more aggressive sexually, but they are not the mainstream woman.  If they decide to emotionally embrace you then yes, it will probably be the greatest sex of your life.  If you meet a woman and you connect you will likely make at least one trip where you do not kiss on the lips even, but they will do the cheek kissing thing and they will hold your hand. You might make two or more trips to her before there is any sex. If they put their arm in yours to walk the street.....that is a good sign.  That is what women there do with someone they are close to.  An interesting thing I have learned there is tall women in many cases do not mind being with a shorter man.  My girlfriend there is two inches taller than me and she still wears her high boots out.  It doesn't bother me and it doesn't bother her.  Once they decide to be with you......Katy bar the door.......they have no sexual hangups.
Monte

Welcome, Monte


An 'interesting' viewpoint and it might be what you have experienced !


Mine is somewhat different - if you are in to each other the expression, ''We are adults'', [size=78%] [/size][/size]is an expression I'm sure not a few of us have experienced...[size=78%]

[Bounder]

I like what I'm reading here)). I'm only about 169-170, but I like a girl who is near my height - I don't mind if she's taller on heels. Super if she doesn't either!

[Chicagoguy]

Even more important, FSUW like sex, really like it.  They want to please and they want to be pleased.   Their gynecologist advises them it is healthy to have sex.   Nevertheless, I hear from my wife an occasional account of RW who have little interest in sex.

 
The first time I heard this I could hardly believe it. Later found out this is a widely held belief. Need more of these doctors here ?  Or maybe this could be a new pick up line in U.S.  Let me know it it works.

[ML]

   Their gynecologist advises them it is healthy to have sex.   

I remember one gal who told me her female gyno said exactly this.
And she further told me:  I was embarrassed that I couldn't tell her (doctor) that I hadn't had sex for a couple of years.

[GQBlues]

This is an interesting discussion and I follow it with some bemusement.

Having been through this experience, and having gone and been with women from different countries over the years, along with those here in SoCal, I maintain women are women the world over when it comes to basic instinctual stimulus.

All the women from Moscow I met the first time were no different when it came down to it. Not even that gal from Ekaterinberg, not the gal from Vladivostok, Berdyansk (Uk), and certainly not my wife who is from Novosibirsk. Their ages ranged from 20 - 36.

Same with height. I'm 5'8" and my wife is short of 6.0' tall. Tallest SoCal Barbie I've ever dated was 6.3".

[Patagonie]

For a second date invite them to your apartment (Don't stay in a hotel!!) for
a home cooked meal. Surely you have a couple of things that you can cook
up that a girl would like. I would suggest not Texican or anything remotely
spicy.

Even if you aren't much of a cook, you can cut up some cheese, fruit and a
few veggies, crackers, some chocolate then open a bottle of wine or champagnski.

Most FSUW would prefer that you made a pass at them a day early rather than a
day late. They want to know that you are attracted to them and that everything works.
They've had Russian men hitting on them since they entered puberty so they expect
that you will make a pass at them (so make a pass at them). If they aren't ready yet,
they are totally capable of letting you know and it doesn't kill the relationship like it
can with Western women where you are expected to read their minds     


One of the most refreshing things about most FSUW is that they are direct. They don't
sit suffering in silence, angry that you didn't read their minds and determine that they
wanted X but not Y.

They will tell you exactly why they are mad in detail and they won't mope around for
three days first. I've never gotten the silent treatment by any FSUW that I've dated.
I have managed to get the opposite a number of times .

To answer your question be direct or just make a pass at her and stop worrying about
it.

+1

[Olga_Mouse]

It depends on the specific woman and the chemistry between the both of you, but generally I find RW a bit more open.

RW a bit more open that UW, that the OP was asking about? 

[Olga_Mouse]

The trend now is shaving the bush. Most FSU women like their men shaved downstairs.

I thought shaving the bush was a 90s \ 2000s trend? And 201Xs trend is elos \ laser epilation? 

[2tallbill]

I would really like to ask if there are any sexual norms/taboos etc that I should be
aware of. If this topic is better discussed via private message please feel free to
message. I assume that the language of love is mostly universal, but one never
knows.

[EDIT TO ADD]
Whoops, it looks like I've commented on this thread already and said much
the same thing(s)

There is every type of woman in the FSU so it's really impossible to lump them
all together and come up with some sort of generalization that applies to all.

You can generally assume asking their sister to join for a nice little threesome
will probably get frowned on, or they don't react positively if you yell another
woman's names during the coupling, but you likely know this already if you've
managed to get past second base.

Here are a few rough generalizations/advice.
The lady stepping into a shower is often a precursor to sex.

Bring condoms, wear them. They are called prezervativ (презерватив) 
if you want to try to get them locally, but I would bring a brand that you've
used before with you from home.

Most FSUW would prefer you made a pass at them too early rather than too
late. If she's not ready yet, she will say so, but she wants to know that you
are attracted to her.

An FSUW wants you to win her heart, she wants to fall in love, she wants to
be seduced. She wants to know that you desire her. She doesn't want you
to ask permission to kiss her or to proceed to the next step.

She probably doesn't have a lot of sexual hangups but every woman is different
and you will have to discover what she likes and dislikes on your own.

DON'T DO THIS DURING THE FIRST SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS: 100% of FSUW
including burn victims have had letters written to them by sex weirdo's. So if you
have managed to get past the 5th letter and the 5th Skype conversation, she has
determined that you are probably not a sex weirdo, so after that point in time
if you are wondering about something, you should probably just ask her. 

Most FSUW don't consider sex dirty and most of them haven't been raised to treat
it like it is.
 
Udachi!

Bill

[krimster2]

"I thought shaving the bush was a 90s \ 2000s trend? And 201Xs trend is elos \ laser epilation"

no one tool can do the entire job
and that applies to many things

laser hair removal is actually laser hair reduction, usually waxing after that to complete the job
and make it mirror smooth
i'm a blond so laser hair reduction doesn't work as well on me as someone with darker hair
my wife prefers to wax me, all I have to do is lie naked while she pours molten wax over my genitalia (no it doesn't burn, it's actually kind of pleasant)
and when it hardens (the wax) lift it off then apply a soothing lotion after.... ahhhhhhh....
but you have to do this on a regular basis or it becomes erect again  (the hair)