The Myth of Russian Humiliation

[Boethius]

Just this century how many wars has Russia started in attempts to grab land from neighboring countries?  First Chechnya (twice).

Chechnya is a part of Russia.


During the first Chechen war, large numbers of Russian military refused to participate, claiming Moscow was firing on its own people.

[fathertime]

Because Romney lost the election in 2012 and an imposter took his place.

Imposter? Interesting?


Obama won the election fair and square...There is no guarantee that the next president is going to have a much different foreign policy then Obama has had.   


Fathertime!

[AkMike]

The next one will see the failed attempts at running this country and the abysmal foreign policies that have helped run the debt up beyond the debts incurred by all previous administrations combined. 

[Doll]

Chechnya is a part of Russia.


During the first Chechen war, large numbers of Russian military refused to participate, claiming Moscow was firing on its own people.

Its own people- true. Same way Poroshenko kills Ukrainians.

[AkMike]

Is that similar to the Russian, invading terrorists that are vacationing in SE Ukraine stealing and killing the locals there? 

[Boethius]

Its own people- true. Same way Poroshenko kills Ukrainians.

They are not comparable at all.  Had Moscow not interfered, there would have been no war in Eastern Ukraine.  Had the terrorists ruled by Muscovites not tortured two people to death, no troops would have been called in. 


The reality is, this was orchestrated by Moscow, and most of the terrorists are either Russian nationals or former criminals.

[cc3]

Keep yout nose out of Europe.
We, we, we." "We" are on the other half of Globe.
  American triumphalism  !
 

Keep your tanks out of Ukraine! I live here (in a real European city, Lviv). What hemisphere do you live in?

[calmissile]

They are not comparable at all.  Had Moscow not interfered, there would have been no war in Eastern Ukraine.  Had the terrorists ruled by Muscovites not tortured two people to death, no troops would have been called in. 


The reality is, this was orchestrated by Moscow, and most of the terrorists are either Russian nationals or former criminals.

OMG!  You certainly have more patience than I do.     

[southernX]

OMG!  You certainly have more patience than I do.     

me too cal ,

complete waste of time and energy trying to even get a glimmer of honest reflection on the whole situation in ukraine , with some people who are following the russian propoganda ,  better to not even try

putin is following the old FSU concept of keeping the people scared and wary of all & any outsiders influence,

 scared /wary people trust what there gov tells them and will stubbornly eat dirt for months ,rather  than admit there wrong ,

with all the US/NATO  scaremongering going on , none of them can find adate when the US /NATO has last invaded russia , or why all a large majority of FSU countrys have asked to join NATO ETC

SX

[lordtiberius]

Google Alexei Milchakov - GRU agent operating in Luhansk.  This shinning example of Putin's new Russia gave an interview 29 September to Luhansk TV.  He says he is from St. Petersburg, talks about combat with the Aidar battalion and the territorial ambitions of Novirossiya.

[Doll]

Is that similar to the Russian, invading terrorists that are vacationing in SE Ukraine stealing and killing the locals there? 

Poroshenko is killing Ukrainians- it is a fact.

[AkMike]

Russian are killing Ukrainians on their own lands.

 Ukrainians are killing Russians in Ukraine...

 Understand now? 

[Doll]

Who are these rebels? Ukrainian citizens

[AkMike]

Wrong as usual Doll. 

 Almost all of the terrorists are Huilonistas..

[lordtiberius]

Who are these rebels? Ukrainian citizens

You are brilliant

[AkMike]

Who are these rebels? Ukrainian citizens

If so then why are all the convoys of 'Cargo 200' loaded with occupied caskets headed into Russia?

[AC]

Mike, it's no longer a myth.  First there's the relationship between the pound, the dollar and the ruble.  It takes a pound of rubles to equal one dollar.   

And the price of oil keeps on dropping.  Let's hope it hits 40 within 30 days or so.

"The myth of Russian Humiliation" might not be a myth by then.

 

[AkMike]

Just wait until the IMF / World Bank tells Putin to pound sand when he comes groveling for cash to bail out more of his oligarch buddies.

[JayH]

Just wait until the IMF / World Bank tells Putin to pound sand when he comes groveling for cash to bail out more of his oligarch buddies.

I will be happy when they need wheeelbarrows to cart the rubbles around!!
Even better when the measure value in kgs !! ie  when the paper they are printed on is worth more than the rubble itself !!Then they will need a wheelbarrow !!

[AkMike]

The same thing happened in Germany post WII. 

 It's getting UGLY quickly.

[sleepycat]

Their only hope maybe to ditch the rouble and revert to a barter economy.

For example the Russian version of Craiglist may soon have ads like:

"FOR EXCHANGE
 Pair of size 8 1/2 mens leather shoes (soles half worn) for 3 bottles of homemade vodka."

[lordtiberius]

If Obama would have helped the Russian people get rid of Putin in 2012, how many people both Ukrainian and fascist would be alive today?


Can anyone really doubt the true threat to world peace is Russia?

Can anyone really oppose Russia's removal from the UN security council?

[mendeleyev]

I, for one, do not wish for Russia to be humiliated. That would be counterproductive. I know that my view is a minority here, but being in the minority is the least of my worries.

What I do wish for Russia:

- True democratic institutions such as the rule of law and an independent judiciary.

- A defeat of inbred corruption. Every nation has a measure of corruption, because we are humans, and thus is the human condition. However, Russia is a land of rule by competing princes, much like her beginning, only the title of prince has been replaced by Oligarch.

- Fair and free elections which the Russian people, without undue outside influence, chart their own future.

- Respect and goodwill toward her bordering neighbors.

- A growing and diverse economy, building a society not dependent just on oil.

- Respect for minorities within their midst.

- True federalization in which regions can exercise local autonomy as part of a larger federation. This means that the top-down mentality of Moscow calling all the shots across many time zones will have to be reformed. The practice of appointing governors, although it has been minimized as of late, must be totally eliminated if local citizens are to have true representation.

- Join the world community, and as a large country with vast potential, be considered a world leader. Such a position is earned however, something the current leadership has not learned.

[mendeleyev]

What I wish for Ukraine:

- Healing from the wounds of war.

- While I might wish for the return of Crimea, that just is not going to happen in my lifetime. Thus, Russia should be held responsible by the world community to pay reparations.

- True federalization in which regions, such as the Eastern provinces, can exercise local autonomy as part of a larger federation.

- Fair and free elections in which the Ukrainian people, without undue outside influence, chart their own future.

- Be given the right of association in the world community, without undue pressure from either East or West.

- A defeat of inbred corruption. Ukraine, like Russia, must resist the rule of Oligarchs.

- A growing and diverse economy, building upon, but not limited to, Ukraine's vast (potential) agricultural resources.

- Respect for minorities within her midst.

- Take her place among European (geographically, no matter the political and economic alignment) nations.

[lordtiberius]

There is so much I disagree with, it is infuriating. 

Russia will get what it's coming to them.  The demographic impolsion, economic chaos and political unrest will make the Middle East look like kindergarten.