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Title: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 30, 2020, 01:32:29 PM
Hi guys, I'm in Belarus right now and have found a very promising girl in Ukraine. I am headed there in about a week to visit her. I am looking for some advice on how to make sure our first date goes well as I'm unsure how what is expected of me would be different from America. Would it be a good idea to buy her flowers or would that make me look like a simp? What would be a good place to take her in Kryvyi Rih (a mid-sized industrial city with no real highlights)? I'm also not sure how good her English is but I don't think it's great and I don't speak Russian so any advice on dealing with that?

Thanks
Title: First date advice
Post by: 2tallbill on July 30, 2020, 01:51:38 PM
You aren't too far from Odessa, I would contact Igor 
Moniker here is Stirlitz. You could get a college student
for less but he has done it a thousand times and will steer
you out of trouble if he see's it brewing. Also, you could
fly to Odessa and drive up with him.

http://translator.igorkalinin.com/

Generally speaking I would advise meeting a first dates in a
cafe near a park or an internet cafe. If things go swimmingly
then you can go for a walk and arrange another date.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Patagonie on July 30, 2020, 03:52:23 PM
What's her level in english?
The first thing you have to do if she cannot speak english (you could believe that she is ok but she maybe only use a translator) is to find an interpret.
And ask to your lady how does she feel about that. BUT it's you you choose the terp.
YOU CHOOSE THE TERP. Not her, am I clear ?

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2020, 04:04:48 PM
Hi Zoomer :welcome: I would keep the Google Translate app on your phone as a back up. Make sure you have Russian downloaded in case offline use is needed. She will speak Russian for sure, possibly Ukrainian as well. If you ask her to have a translation app on her phone as well in case you need to exchange written messages. That said it can get tiresome after a while so I wouldn't overdo the showing each other messages on each others phone.

Flowers can be awkward. I wouldn't get a big bunch of there is no where for her to put them. If you get flowers choose an odd number, I often go with just one these days, it's easiest for her to twiddle around with.

I think flowers may crank it up for you if she is hot for you but I've tended to find if the woman is not into you it doesn't really make any difference.  I've never been to the place you have mentioned but hear it is well known for its Cossack history and think there may be some site around there to do with that.

Oh, well done also for getting out there in these Covid times :)
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: BillyB on July 30, 2020, 04:25:53 PM
I'm also not sure how good her English is


Why didn't you speak with her before spending thousands of dollars for this first date? Buy her flowers in case it ends in marriage. A girl would like to have good memories of the first time she meets her husband.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on July 30, 2020, 09:04:22 PM
you should find out as much as possible about your deavotchka...
have you skyped her yet
does she have a social media account somewhere like VK or instagram OR AT LEAST SNAPCHAT for crying out loud?
what's "up with that"?

going in "cold" like this without a lot of detail on who she is or what she's like is VERY risky
even more risky because you don't know Russian...

I have a feeling I might be old enough to be your grandfather
but I would get a woman in Ukraine your age LONG before you can...
because I "know how" and you don't....

so go back to square 1 and get into some kinda video chat with her....
otherwise skepticism - DON'T SEND HER ANY MONEY!!!
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 12:31:34 AM
You aren't too far from Odessa, I would contact Igor 
Moniker here is Stirlitz. You could get a college student
for less but he has done it a thousand times and will steer
you out of trouble if he see's it brewing. Also, you could
fly to Odessa and drive up with him.

http://translator.igorkalinin.com/

Generally speaking I would advise meeting a first dates in a
cafe near a park or an internet cafe. If things go swimmingly
then you can go for a walk and arrange another date.

Udachi!

Bill

I was thinking about the translator, but I'm wondering if there's really any purpose in that. Because eventually we would have to talk by ourselves so wouldn't that just be pushing the problem back a few days?

Hi Zoomer :welcome: I would keep the Google Translate app on your phone as a back up. Make sure you have Russian downloaded in case offline use is needed. She will speak Russian for sure, possibly Ukrainian as well. If you ask her to have a translation app on her phone as well in case you need to exchange written messages. That said it can get tiresome after a while so I wouldn't overdo the showing each other messages on each others phone.

I had similar thoughts about the translate app, what do you do when the interpreter is gone and you're tired of the app?

Why didn't you speak with her before spending thousands of dollars for this first date? Buy her flowers in case it ends in marriage. A girl would like to have good memories of the first time she meets her husband.

I didn't fly over here just for her, so it's more like a few hundred dollars for the trip from Belarus to Kryvyi.

you should find out as much as possible about your deavotchka...
have you skyped her yet
does she have a social media account somewhere like VK or instagram OR AT LEAST SNAPCHAT for crying out loud?
what's "up with that"?

going in "cold" like this without a lot of detail on who she is or what she's like is VERY risky
even more risky because you don't know Russian...

I haven't skyped her or used video chat, I know I probably should but I really hate skype. I find it incredibly awkward even when talking with my family in the same language. She does have instagram though and we've been talking on that for about two weeks, I do know a lot about her, except, crucially, her English proficiency.

I have a feeling I might be old enough to be your grandfather
but I would get a woman in Ukraine your age LONG before you can...
because I "know how" and you don't....

so go back to square 1 and get into some kinda video chat with her....
otherwise skepticism - DON'T SEND HER ANY MONEY!!!

I'm 23 so you might be right about that haha. I definitely wouldn't send her money and she hasn't asked.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: BC on July 31, 2020, 03:37:39 AM
Welcome Zoomer!

At 23 you simply can't go wrong.  Even if she dumps you at first sight you'll be able to have fun and meet other women 'on the fly'.

Stirlitz as Bill suggested would be a good option if you're outside your comfort zone.

Have fun dating!

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 31, 2020, 08:17:03 AM

I had similar thoughts about the translate app, what do you do when the interpreter is gone and you're tired of the app?

I haven't skyped her or used video chat, I know I probably should but I really hate skype. I find it incredibly awkward even when talking with my family in the same language. She does have instagram though and we've been talking on that for about two weeks, I do know a lot about her, except, crucially, her English proficiency.

I'm 23 so you might be right about that haha. I definitely wouldn't send her money and she hasn't asked.

How old is she?

While Google Translate has a speech option it can be more awkward than the messaging due to pauses and more incorrect translation. There really only is the app but if you/she tire off it try and do some fun events where talking is less needed depending on what is going. It has been said that Ukrainian women are not like western women in expecting the guy to talk all the time so some silences are probably ok.

While her English may not be that good she will have likely learnt an odd few words from School. Some women say they don't know English but then you get surprised that they know the odd few words. Even the odd few words can help out a conversation as she can respond yes or no to something if you can demonstrate what you are proposing, etc.

I'm also not a big fan of video chat and find it a pain. It can be fun when doing it but all the waiting around is a pain and like you say it's not always smooth going. Worst is if neither side knows each others language much, then it can get real awkward. There is a message translate to do alongside but it doesn't help the awkwardness much lol.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: 2tallbill on July 31, 2020, 08:23:42 AM
I'm 23

Ahhhh............... Lead with that next time.

Ignore all my previous advice.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 08:36:10 AM
How old is she?

While Google Translate has a speech option it can be more awkward than the messaging due to pauses and more incorrect translation. There really only is the app but if you/she tire off it try and do some fun events where talking is less needed depending on what is going. It has been said that Ukrainian women are not like western women in expecting the guy to talk all the time so some silences are probably ok.

While her English may not be that goiod she will have likely learnt an odd few words from School. Some women say they don't know English but then you get surprised that they know the odd few words. Even the odd few words can help out a conversation as she can respond yes or no to something if you can demonstrate what you are proposing, etc.

I'm also not a big fan of video chat and find it a pain. It can be fun when doing it but all the waiting around is a pain and like you say it's not always smooth going. Worst is if neither side knows each others language much, then it can get real awkward. There is a message translate to do alongsde but it doesn't help the awkwardness much lol.

She's 19. I am hoping she knows at least that much, she said she wasn't fluent but she seems to know something. Yeah with the video chat I'd probably be willing to use it in some scenarios but it's not how I want to make a first impression. I figure since it's not a long flight I'm not losing much if it turns out the language barrier is insurmountable in person. Have you ever tried having an interpreter?

Ahhhh............... Lead with that next time.

Ignore all my previous advice.

Udachi!

Bill

Do you mean I should use an app instead of an interpreter or that meeting in a cafe isn't a good idea?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on July 31, 2020, 09:50:14 AM
ok zoomer!

look, because of our age difference and the different stages of life that we are in, (I’ve been married 20+ yrs to a Russian woman and we have two grown children just a few years younger than you)  I’m gonna “play pretend” and pretend that you are my grandson
and you just came over to my house
and told me of your upcoming plans to go to Ukraine....

do you want to play a game?

the first thing to know is this, your plans probably won’t go smoothly...
you’ll have setbacks, unexpected events, negative emotions, etc
and that’s gonna make you “feel negative” towards the girl and or Ukraine
but what I want you to understand is this....

all of that negativity about external things
is ACTUALLY an internal and not external dilemma
it’s your own "deficiencies" that are ALSO part of the problem
and NOT just the girl’s or Ukraine’s (and I guarantee BOTH will have HUGE flaws!)
you need to understand this...

I can already see a problem with you, now don’t get defensive...
you are VERY inflexible, Ukraine OTOH is pure chaos
these two ingredients don’t mix well

when you go hunting in the jungle
you better learn about the jungle
or one day something’s gonna eat ya
I mean would you wanna data a "Karen"
hell NO!

100% this deavotchka has a social media profile SOMEWHERE
after seeing my daughter’s instagrams and those of her friends who I’ve watched grow up
I could read your GFs social media page, and I would be able to understand the kind of person she is and if you’d have a GOOD or BAD time with her...
so 100% is something I’d look at if’n I were you

ok, now d'ya want some cookies?


Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Patagonie on July 31, 2020, 10:07:52 AM
Question :
Have you got some informations about the PCB test you should do while in Ukraine and the application you have to download on your phone because of the Covid?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: BillyB on July 31, 2020, 10:16:35 AM
Yeah with the video chat I'd probably be willing to use it in some scenarios but it's not how I want to make a first impression.


If it doesn't work out with this one and you want to try it again, talk to the ladies before deciding to visit. If you don't have chemistry on the phone or skype, it's highly likely you won't have chemistry with them in real life. Also by looking at them or hearing their voice, you can judge how much they are into you. If she doesn't want to video chat or give you her phone number, she's not worth visiting.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 10:29:08 AM
I can already see a problem with you, now don’t get defensive...
you are VERY inflexible, Ukraine OTOH is pure chaos
these two ingredients don’t mix well

100% this deavotchka has a social media profile SOMEWHERE
after seeing my daughter’s instagrams and those of her friends who I’ve watched grow up
I could read your GFs social media page, and I would be able to understand the kind of person she is and if you’d have a GOOD or BAD time with her...
so 100% is something I’d look at if’n I were you

ok, now d'ya want some cookies?

I am pretty unflexible, I'll admit that. I've managed to survive pretty well in Belarus though so I think I'm getting the hang of it. And yes she does have an instagram, we've been talking on that. I've looked through it thoroughly and see no problems (like slutty pictures, drinking, partying etc).

Question :
Have you got some informations about the PCB test you should do while in Ukraine and the application you have to download on your phone because of the Covid?

I'm looking into that. I'm going to try to get one in Belarus before I leave. I read if you do it within 48 hrs in a foreign country it counts.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 31, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
I am pretty unflexible, I'll admit that. I've managed to survive pretty well in Belarus though so I think I'm getting the hang of it.

Belarus is not Ukraine. I've been to Belarus and it is a lot more 'controlled' there. It's a quasi-Communist regime that is authoritarian, crime and corruption are not tolerated there not for the average Joe on the street at least. Ukraine is the opposite, corruption is rife, attempts get made there and there to clear it up but it's numerous and something you don't commonly want to come across. Most of us foreign tourists are lucky enough not to be hit by it. There is a big pro dating industry in Ukraine, it doesn't sound like your girl is a part of it but be careful.

As a generality Ukrainian girls can be more fun loving and Belarusian girls more grounded. Fun loving is good but it can mean more game play though that is dependent on the girl.

Being in Belarus will probably make you more comfortable in terms of hearing Russian and it's culture but that's about it. Ukrainian girls are often very friendly, feminine and nice company to be with but be prepared for anything, don't count on it being true love at first sight.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 31, 2020, 12:22:49 PM
She's 19. I am hoping she knows at least that much, she said she wasn't fluent but she seems to know something. Yeah with the video chat I'd probably be willing to use it in some scenarios but it's not how I want to make a first impression. I figure since it's not a long flight I'm not losing much if it turns out the language barrier is insurmountable in person. Have you ever tried having an interpreter?

First girl I met in Ukraine a few years ago I didn't need a terp. She spoke English fluently though thought she was only good/very good lol. She understood everything I said. She was happy and smiled a lot, we got on well but there was no Chemistry there and we had different interests, she was much into theatres, etc.

Other girls I have met have varied, I do remember one particularly arduous video chat with a girl who spoke virtually no English though.

I never really go with terps, I tend to just use the app, it's not ideal, it's good at first but girl can get tiresome with it so be careful on its usage. Problem with a terp the girl chooses is that you could just end up being played, i.e hours & hours of terp pay at a higher than market rate, plus dinners for both terp and girl, hence why it was said above to bring your own terp. Hotel might have an idea in this but otherwise it might be hard for you to find as a non Russian speaker in a strange country.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the cost of arranging a terp until you have met this girl and determined if there is chemistry. Otherwise a lot of bother and possibly some cost. I would just use the app an any splattering of English she has. Just remember to keep what you are saying Very Basic until you are sure she can handle more.

I would basically look at this date to be a fun experience to meet a Ukrainian girl, she is probably thinking likewise. So just meet and try to enjoy it if she is a reasonable enough girl in my opinion.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 12:43:48 PM
Belarus is not Ukraine. I've been to Belarus and it is a lot more 'controlled' there. It's a quasi-Communist regime that is authoritarian, crime and corruption are not tolerated there not for the average Joe on the street at least. Ukraine is the opposite, corruption is rife, attempts get made there and there to clear it up but it's numerous and something you don't commonly want to come across. Most of us foreign tourists are lucky enough not to be hit by it. There is a big pro dating industry in Ukraine, it doesn't sound like your girl is a part of it but be careful.

Fun loving is good but it can mean more game play though that is dependent on the girl.

Hmm what do you mean by more game play? Also is there anything in particular that I should watch out for over there? I'm aware of the pro datings scams but not some of the potential issues in day-to-day life

I never really go with terps, I tend to just use the app, it's not ideal, it's good at first but girl can get tiresome with it so be careful on its usage. Problem with a terp the girl chooses is that you could just end up being played, i.e hours & hours of terp pay at a higher than market rate, plus dinners for both terp and girl, hence why it was said above to bring your own terp. Hotel might have an idea in this but otherwise it might be hard for you to find as a non Russian speaker in a strange country.

The problem I see with the terp is that it's only very temporary so what's the point? I guess it would help you get to know her better at first but if you've already gotten to know her pretty well online then how does it help?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on July 31, 2020, 12:45:44 PM
“I am pretty unflexible, I'll admit that.”

a VERY BAD characteristic to have for someone in a relationship....
when women have this characteristic, they basically try to pull a  “their way or the highway” on you....

you need to learn how to completely change how you think
instead of thinking about YOU
you need to think about WE (you and her)

let’s face it...
for YOU, this is all about the “Pooty Tang”, isn’t it?
c’mon, you can’t fool grandpa
but for her
it’s different
she wants to play house with you to see if she likes the game or not...

so you get to play “the daddy” in this game
you’re the “bread winner” who puts “the food on the table"
and she’s the mommy who stays in the kitchen and cooks dinner and takes care of you

so you play this little game with her

I started playin these kinda games when I was 6 yrs old
and all the little girls forced me into playing doctor
cuz, I NEVER woulda come up with that idea on my own
the first time I saw a naked little girl
I was like “What happened to your Pee Pee, why would you want to surgically alter it into resembling a little butt?”

needless to say, I have evolved quite a bit from those early beginning days

what I'm trying to communicate to you is this
you have to play the game of being "the strong daddy"
if you want her to play the "submissive mommy"
ok?
Title: First date advice
Post by: 2tallbill on July 31, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
She's 19. I am hoping she knows at least that much, she said she wasn't fluent but she seems to know something. Yeah with the video chat I'd probably be willing to use it in some scenarios but it's not how I want to make a first impression. I figure since it's not a long flight I'm not losing much if it turns out the language barrier is insurmountable in person. Have you ever tried having an interpreter?

Do you mean I should use an app instead of an interpreter or that meeting in a cafe isn't a good idea?

It's been 194 years (approximately) since I was 23 years old. I think that
you should just go meet her and work things out on the fly. She probably
took English classes this year in 2020. The old ladies that I was meeting 
took English classes before you were born.

I would arrange transportation from the airport to your apartment then
ask her to meet you at the airport. She can ride back with you and help
you exchange money, get a sim card for your phone and a few groceries
etc.

*NOTE: This is a top secret 2tallbill suggestion
*NOTE: This is a top secret 2tallbill suggestion

When she comes up to greet you bend over, pick her up and
spin a 360 and give her a smooch on the mouth and set her
back down and tell her that you are really, really glad to finally
meet her.

If the woman is ugly, fat etc don't do the secret tip. It will send
her the wrong message. If she is hot and you do this she will
think that you are a very confident man and there will be tingles
inside her. (That is a very good thing).

There is a very small chance that she will use a straight arm to
your face stopping the entire operation, but then you know where
you stand immediately, there won't be any tingles and you are in
friend zone and you need to find somebody else.

*NOTE: Above is a top secret 2tallbill suggestion
*NOTE: Above is a top secret 2tallbill suggestion

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
“I am pretty unflexible, I'll admit that.”

a VERY BAD characteristic to have for someone in a relationship....
when women have this characteristic, they basically try to pull a  “their way or the highway” on you....

you need to learn how to completely change how you think
instead of thinking about YOU
you need to think about WE (you and her)

I guess it depends on what you mean by inflexible? I'm flexible on some things, just not on fundamental things.

let’s face it...
for YOU, this is all about the “Pooty Tang”, isn’t it?
c’mon, you can’t fool grandpa
but for her
it’s different
she wants to play house with you to see if she likes the game or not...

No, I'm Christian, I don't believe in casual sex. I would've stayed in America if I was looking for that.

so you get to play “the daddy” in this game
you’re the “bread winner” who puts “the food on the table"
and she’s the mommy who stays in the kitchen and cooks dinner and takes care of you

so you play this little game with her


Sounds good to me :)
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 01:36:11 PM
I would arrange transportation from the airport to your apartment then
ask her to meet you at the airport. She can ride back with you and help
you exchange money, get a sim card for your phone and a few groceries
etc.

Unfortunately Kryvyi's airport has been shut down by corona so I'm taking an Uber from Dnipro, but I do like the idea of getting groceries with her, that has occasionally been a struggle in Belarus.

When she comes up to greet you bend over, pick her up and
spin a 360 and give her a smooch on the mouth and set her
back down and tell her that you are really, really glad to finally
meet her.

If the woman is ugly, fat etc don't do the secret tip. It will send
her the wrong message. If she is hot and you do this she will
think that you are a very confident man and there will be tingles
inside her. (That is a very good thing).

Haha I hope I can work up the balls to do this




Title: First date advice
Post by: 2tallbill on July 31, 2020, 02:01:15 PM
Haha I hope I can work up the balls to do this

Are you kidding me?

You had the balls to travel thousands of mile across an ocean.
You slew all manner of dragons, black knights and forded
alligator infested moats without the benefit of drawbridges.

DO IT, you flew all the way to see her. She is going to be excited
to see you. Give her the spin!

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on July 31, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
"No, I'm Christian, I don't believe in casual sex. I would've stayed in America if I was looking for that."

I KNEW there was "a catch" there ALWAYS is....

some advice from an old dewd who knows WTF he's talking about
get all the sex you can BEFORE you get married, cuz you AIN'T gonna have as much as you think you are after you're married...
don't say no one warned you

zoomer,
let me see if I understand your “situation”
you’re a member of a "religious cult” and you adhere strictly by its code of ethics in regards to sex, which labels any form of sex outside of cult sanctioned marriage as a “sin”

BTW, the name of the cult wouldn’t be “Ladder Day Saints” or anything close to that, now would it, do you wear magic underwear as a sign of your holy covenant?

good thing you decided to let someone else hand ya an ethics code and decide your sex life for you as opposed to deciding that ALL on your own....
wow! big sigh of relief, huh?

bravo!
what a brave and noble choice
to let an organization make your personal life’s choices for you!!!

too bad you’ll never get to see all the pooty-tang I’ve seen
no, really....
cuz I took the see as much pooty-tang as you can route instead of the living by some particular cult's rules route like you boy...



Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 31, 2020, 05:22:51 PM
Hmm what do you mean by more game play? Also is there anything in particular that I should watch out for over there? I'm aware of the pro datings scams but not some of the potential issues in day-to-day life

The problem I see with the terp is that it's only very temporary so what's the point? I guess it would help you get to know her better at first but if you've already gotten to know her pretty well online then how does it help?

I mean some of the are mischievous, for some it is just a bit of a game, short term entertainment to meat a foreign guy and have some fun. For others they might see if they can get you to buy them stuff. In general you are required to foot the bill for restaurant, entertainment and taxi's, including taxis home even if you aren't going with her. Make sure she doesn't ask too much for the taxi home it should be well within 200UAH (ghrivna) in most cases. I think odds are that in the location she is in she probably won't be a problem, she is probably a genuine girl but be wary just in case.

In general you should be able to move about in Ukraine without trouble. I don't want to give you the impression it's the wild west, day to day is not so bad. Many people are decent, nice and friendly enough people over there. If anyone I would try to avoid unofficial taxi touts at the airports and unofficial taxis that are generally parked around, they can be dodgy types driving them that if given the chance may take advantage of you and leave you in a not good place. Make sure you exit the taxi taking all your belongings with you including mobile phone and stuff in the boot, don't let the driver distract you. Ideally use Uber, Uklon or Yandex  so the payment is already set in stone. Try to avoid showing a lot of money if paying taxi drivers in cash, same about town in shops & restaurants etc also. Beware of dodgy run down areas and homeless, unemployment or desperate looking people. Remember the economy is likely not fairing well at the moment so a tourist could be rich pickings. Keep hold of your luggage at all times. Also keep your passport secure, I like a place with a safe if possible. Be careful that any girl you invite back to your apartment/hotel doesn't run off with all your money & passport. I usually split up where I keep my cards and money so I don't risk losing the lot in one go whether in room or out on the street. So some in suitcase, some on person, some in bag, etc.

Like I say the girl you are meeting is probably genuine but make sure you are not being set up by her/being led into a bad situation. Most decent girls will look out for a foreign guy. However, be careful of anyone being too nice to you without good reason. Don't accept free drinks that might be spiked from people you don't know well, etc.

I'm not saying this stuff to freak you out, most of the time you should be fine but it's handy to be street wise in Ukraine just in case to be on the safe side, hopefully. If you can pick yourself up a sim card for your phone while at the airport with internet on it then that can help a lot with finding out where you are and finding your way around easier, i.e Google Maps. That will make you less vulnerable. In general it's best to be as independent as possible in Ukraine to avoid being preyed upon, not saying it will happen but just less chance of it that way.

Good Luck! :)
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 11:31:24 PM
"No, I'm Christian, I don't believe in casual sex. I would've stayed in America if I was looking for that."

I KNEW there was "a catch" there ALWAYS is....

some advice from an old dewd who knows WTF he's talking about
get all the sex you can BEFORE you get married, cuz you AIN'T gonna have as much as you think you are after you're married...
don't say no one warned you

zoomer,
let me see if I understand your “situation”
you’re a member of a "religious cult” and you adhere strictly by its code of ethics in regards to sex, which labels any form of sex outside of cult sanctioned marriage as a “sin”

BTW, the name of the cult wouldn’t be “Ladder Day Saints” or anything close to that, now would it, do you wear magic underwear as a sign of your holy covenant?

good thing you decided to let someone else hand ya an ethics code and decide your sex life for you as opposed to deciding that ALL on your own....
wow! big sigh of relief, huh?

bravo!
what a brave and noble choice
to let an organization make your personal life’s choices for you!!!

too bad you’ll never get to see all the pooty-tang I’ve seen
no, really....
cuz I took the see as much pooty-tang as you can route instead of the living by some particular cult's rules route like you boy...

Wow you're really cool bro. What really keeps me up at night is that I haven't banged as many club sluts as you. No I'm not a Mormon. I don't think there's any faction of Christianity, religion in general, or really any moral code that promotes hedonism except for the one you adopted from the media/academia as they were pushing the sexual revolution. I think I'll take the cult that builds societies over the one that destroys them :)

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on July 31, 2020, 11:33:02 PM
Good Luck! :)

Thanks! I will watch out for what you mentioned.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 01, 2020, 01:16:10 AM
Trench is our resident 'expert' in how  OT to date, btw.....

You ARE going about this completely wrong... From a planned campaign point of view...meeting someone you haven't video chatted with.... but, as you are on the ground...)



Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 01, 2020, 09:18:06 AM
“Wow you're really cool bro. What really keeps me up at night is that I haven't banged as many club sluts as you.

wow, sorry, it saddens me to hear you say this my young inexperienced brother...
because now I see that you are a “virgin” in more ways than one...
but tell me true...for I shall NOT lie to you...
is your celibacy truly voluntarily according to your own “moral principles”
OR
are you celibate for some other DEEPER reason?

btw, why the negativity towards sex?
why denigrate the very women who WANT to have sex with you, huh?
and trust me, if you are even SLIGHTLY decent lookin they will....
cuz even somebody like you still looks better than most local gopnick Ukrainians, all things being equal (and they aren't) you have "the foreigner mystique" and they don't

I’m guessing a young guy like you hasn’t had very many experiences in life
where they saw something SO BEAUTIFUL that it took their breath away
like a snow covered mountain, with clear fresh mountain streams
kinda vision....

well lemme tell ya something from boomer to zoomer, ok....
the first time a Ukrainian girl takes her clothes off and presents herself to you naked
will feel even better than looking at the snow covered mountains
with the clear mountain streams
you will get "the biggest rush" you've EVER had in your life
they look THAT GOOD at age 19....

OK, and get this son...
if once is nice
twice is twice as nice
ya feel me?

alright, go and have some cookies now and wise up a little why dontcha
jeez, who filled your head with all that nonsense about celibacy

look zoomer.....
think what it would be like if you suddenly died this very instant
and you NEVER saw or touched a naked Ukrainian girl
wouldn't you feel a "personal loss" at not having this experience?

well, what about having it twice, or 10 times?
quantity has it's own quality

why do you want to marry so young?
you could easily spend the next 10 years having girlfriends and NOT have the hassles of marriage until you're older


also, please explain to me, how the mere fact that I am able to have sex with a lot of Russian women makes me in any way less moral than someone who is a virgin?
you love others the way you want to
and I shall love them, the way I want to
OK?
I can't help it if all the people I love are beautiful women
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on August 01, 2020, 10:49:59 AM
btw, why the negativity towards sex?
why denigrate the very women who WANT to have sex with you, huh?
I wasn't negative towards sex, I was negative towards casual sex. And I don't see why someone wanting to have sex with me suddenly means I have to like them.

OK, and get this son...
if once is nice
twice is twice as nice
ya feel me?
Nah I'd rather have sex with one woman who I actually like over a bunch of women who I tolerate just long enough for them to be willing to drop their pants

look zoomer.....
think what it would be like if you suddenly died this very instant
and you NEVER saw or touched a naked Ukrainian girl
wouldn't you feel a "personal loss" at not having this experience?
This sounds like an excuse to never think of the long term. Why save money if you could just die right now never having been able to ride a jetski or whatever?

why do you want to marry so young?
you could easily spend the next 10 years having girlfriends and NOT have the hassles of marriage until you're older
If you think that's great then that's your prerogative. I think it would be very depressing to have a continuous series of girlfriends who I don't even care enough about to keep around, and to continuously destroy anything that was built with them to get a new sexual experience.

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 01, 2020, 03:32:24 PM
why is “casual sex” inferior to any other form of sex
or why is another form superior to it?

to me, casual sex is:
relaxed
friendly
natural

but by casual....
I’m guessing what you really mean “unceremonious” and informal
and because you have your head in this religious "thang" of yours
you’re mixing up your religious trip into your sex life and you’re getting yourself confused...

there is an EXTREMELY important reason for you to have girlfriends
BEFORE
you have a wife zoomer!!!!

and that’s so you have SOME EXPERIENCE
BEFORE you make the legal plunge into marriage

it is a HUGE mistake jumping into any MAJOR endeavor in your life
without knowing WTF you are doing....

ignorance, i.e. lack of knowledge, ain’t a desired state, it really ain’t gonna be bliss for you

another reason to have had multiple girl friends before your wife
are the love making skills you will build up

this is why with the 19 yr olds, like the one you’re intending to date in Ukraine
I "gave them head"....
because the Ukrainian guys don’t it at all, but DO expect a BJ from them!
this will be the first time these girls had oral sex
AND it will be with a foreigner
they WILL come hard, right in your face, and to their BIG SURPRIZE"
and after you do it, you cradle them in your arms
they have the most beautiful bodies you could ever imagine, I mean OMG!
I found it hard to take my eyes off them, they were so lovely

but, if you want to turn down opportunities of having experiences like that
because you wanna follow some cult's ethics code, hoping you'll advance up a rank in the pecking order
fine...


Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Confederate on August 01, 2020, 05:23:31 PM
Are you kidding me?

You had the balls to travel thousands of mile across an ocean.
You slew all manner of dragons, black knights and forded
alligator infested moats without the benefit of drawbridges.

DO IT, you flew all the way to see her. She is going to be excited
to see you. Give her the spin!

Two thumbs up!

BTW welcome to the forum Zoomer.

Ignore "krimster" by his own admission he is a "high functioning drug addict" and has very low morals to say the least.

Great luck to you!
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 01, 2020, 06:06:45 PM
"ignore "krimster" by his own admission he is a "high functioning drug addict..."



high functioning of "any kind" is freakin light years away from where YOU WILL EVER BE...
you are NOT FUNCTIONING AT ALL....
I mean excluding watching porn and playing video games....

a couple of months from now, I will be living in my new and STILL unfinished "dacha" in Moscva with my 23 yr old lawyer...
I have set a boundary in my relationship with her that she accepts
which is, she has to behave with me EXACTLY how she sees my daughters behave with me...
and that's how she treats me, hugs and kisses only and she cooks for me as well
she has a genius level IQ and graduated with a law degree from Moscow State, which has an AMAZING piece of architecture that I got a tour of and met some of her teachers!

I hired her to do research on Russian laws about "designer drugs" as well as her access to the Moscow Court Archives
to extract all case histories that came to the courts concerning designer drugs in the last 10 years
and we analyzed this information together....

I am Faberge, and she is my beautiful creation
I would never do anything to diminish her...

our relationship has a business as well as a personal level
I am her BFF and she is mine, almost like another daughter to me....

meanwhile, I have met another Russian woman named "Poison Ivy" who I am also trying to recruit...
all these girls are for "eyes only" to look at only.....
anything else would be dangerous and destructive

so you better have a sexual outlet "some place else"
so you can "control yourself", "and don't pee in the water supply"
ya know what I'm sayin?



"and has very low morals to say the least."
yeah, well, what can I say...
i'm a "biznesman" not a choir boy so whatdaya expect me to have...






Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: BC on August 01, 2020, 09:14:41 PM

Ignore "krimster" by his own admission he is a "high functioning drug addict" and has very low morals to say the least.


I dunno.. I kinda like the artsy way Krim puts words together.  Often, probably closer to reality than many may want to openly admit.

A drug addict with poor morals? Your blusterous statement, after all, is quite subjective and I doubt you two know each other well enough to form a qualified opinion or?

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 01, 2020, 11:58:17 PM
Trench,

Let's be honest...when have you EVER been invited back to a lass' home.....?

Loads of guys have visited FSU W home's, met family and warmth.... 

Personally, I don't carry much cash and rely on cards with a daily limit.

I have not been mugged, yet...

However, I knew a great deal more about any lady I might be due to meet...



Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: SteveInBoston on August 02, 2020, 12:50:43 AM
Hello.

Just relax, be yourself as much as possible, but be assertive.  Have the first meeting at someplace casual, for coffee or tea, or lunch.  If things go well, tell her you like her and set the next date.  Pick the time and venue and take it from there.

Have fun.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on August 02, 2020, 01:05:51 AM
why is “casual sex” inferior to any other form of sex
or why is another form superior to it?
Casual sex is sex without love, how could it not be inferior? Is having sex with a prostitute the same as any other type of sex? If you think that's different then clearly there are types of sex that are superior to others

another reason to have had multiple girl friends before your wife
are the love making skills you will build up
I'd rather build those with my wife

this is why with the 19 yr olds, like the one you’re intending to date in Ukraine
I "gave them head"....
because the Ukrainian guys don’t it at all, but DO expect a BJ from them!
this will be the first time these girls had oral sex
AND it will be with a foreigner
they WILL come hard, right in your face, and to their BIG SURPRIZE"
and after you do it, you cradle them in your arms
they have the most beautiful bodies you could ever imagine, I mean OMG!
I found it hard to take my eyes off them, they were so lovely

but, if you want to turn down opportunities of having experiences like that
I can't give my wife oral sex? This seems like the best argument to find a wife ironically. You want to stick your tongue into the vagina of some girl you don't even know? Man I can't imagine why Ukrainian guys wouldn't want to do that lol, you want me to link you to a story where a guy bit a chunk of gonorrhea doing that?

Ignore "krimster" by his own admission he is a "high functioning drug addict"
Yeah he's on something
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 02, 2020, 02:48:14 AM
Hmm, other than the noob, his most prodigious 'advisors' on this thread ...

Not exactly covered themselves in glory on the FSU W front, but still feel the need to 'contribute'.

I think sex is great, with someone you REALLY know.....so the lad just needs to ensure his little brain is kept in check.

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 02, 2020, 03:04:41 AM
Thanks! I will watch out for what you mentioned.

That's ok, I forgot to mention if not already take a photo of your passport details page with your mobile. Upload it to the cloud, Google photos, etc. That way if the worst case scenario happens and you lose it you will still have that info to access for the embassy lot.  I often carry a paper copy as backup also.

Fortunately to date I have never lost my passport abroad but would imagine it is an unhappy place to be in should it happen. The more stuff on your side in such an instance probably the better. I would guess outside of Kiev the police station would be the nearest place to go in such an event.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 02, 2020, 03:13:15 AM
Trench,

Let's be honest...when have you EVER been invited back to a lass' home.....?

Loads of guys have visited FSU W home's, met family and warmth.... 

Personally, I don't carry much cash and rely on cards with a daily limit.

I have not been mugged, yet...

However, I knew a great deal more about any lady I might be due to meet...

I do the same, what I was trying to say is don't put all your cards in one wallet as if that goes walkies you then are left with little if anything as a means of paying for stuff. That means stuff could get pretty dire out there quickly.

Whether I have been invited back to a lasses home is irrelevant. Relationships go as they do.

I'm just saying it's better for Zoomer to be well organized and thought out precautions. I wish I knew this stuff at the start as generally I've been quite lucky. Had I had bad luck I could have been really screwed out there. None of this stuff tends to be covered up front to a newbie and it really needs to be just in case.

I think we need to remember that times may be getting pretty desperate out there soon if they are not already because of the affect from the virus lockdown on the economy, etc.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 02, 2020, 03:23:59 AM
Trench is our resident 'expert' in how  NOT to date, btw.....

You ARE going about this completely wrong... From a planned campaign point of view...meeting someone you haven't video chatted with.... but, as you are on the ground...)

The guy is not on a 'planned campaign' he is going to meet a girl. It may work it may not, odds are always in the may not on balance of probabilities of course.

Zoomer just wants to check the country/place out. As you know I did the same on meeting a girl in Nikolaev. I didn't Skype with her beforehand and I just really wanted to see the area anyway that I had heard so much about. Now that meet didn't go any further than the dinner date. Admittedly that was a bit of a let down but it happens and I learnt from it. I still checked out the area and had a decent enough time there. If Zoomers date doesn't work out then he can still check out the local area and see what he can learn. Even a semi industrial area can tell you about a society/culture that can be worthwhile in future endeavours.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: CaptB on August 02, 2020, 09:22:03 AM
I would use an interpreter. Yes it may only be for a few days......and you will have to eventually communicate by yourselves. But......it may help to remove misunderstandings in initial communications. Even minor misunderstandings could derail the whole visit....without having someone to correct the miscommunication. I went to see 14 women through an agency (back in the Dark Ages) in three weeks time. Having an interpreter for even a few days helped me cut through the crap and straighten our a few misunderstandings. In the greater scheme of things....it is a small expense to have the services of an interpreter for a day (and if things look promising) ...........or two. I second the the recommendation to use the services of "Starlit" who is a forum member. Good luck.


Capt B
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 02, 2020, 10:33:05 AM
learn sex with your wife?
how’s that gonna work for the first time?
where I come from, you wouldn't get a second time, if the first one is not so "interesting"

ok, moving along....

“You want to stick your tongue into the vagina of some girl you don't even know?”

actually, what I DO is make a connection with a girl FIRST
a “friendship” if you will...
I like to “play” ski, swim, etc....
I go to these places where you do these things in Russia or Ukraine
and I see TONS and TONS of young single women there
some by themselves or some in small groups

I know how to TROLL them to get their attention
it’s easy, I’m a rich foreigner, I’m automatically a “public spectacle”
because I am EASILY recognizable by how I look
so I don’t have to do much to get their attention

then, after I get their attention, I CHARM them
then after I charm them and gain their trust, I feed them
and then after that, they will want to make a “sexual display” so they will take their clothes off
and lay on the couch or bed or floor even
and they will show me their “junk”

now, I can’t speak for you, and since you haven’t had this experience, you can’t either
but for me, when I FIRST saw a naked 19 yr old Ukrainian girl’s junk
it gave me an INTENSE RUSH...
up to that point, I had only seen that HIGH level of female erotic beauty in Men’s Magazines
but never actually in person...
and there it was, unexpectedly literally staring me in the face

so, I’m kinda curious what your response will be
if and when a Ukrainian girl does that to you
like they have so MANY times with me

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: BillyB on August 02, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
I second the the recommendation to use the services of "Starlit" who is a forum member. Good luck.



I think you meant Stirlitz


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=121 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=121)
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: 2tallbill on August 02, 2020, 12:30:06 PM
Zoomer,

I never said welcome to the forum, so welcome to the forum.
Let me pass out some standard forum advice.

When you ask questions various members will give you
answers for free. Some of the advice will be very good
and some of it will be more dubious.

Your job is to sift through the advice and decide how much
credibility to assign each piece and sort out what you think
will work best for you, your goals, personality and situation.
Use the best and ignore the rest. Above all don't get offended.
Nobody knows you and you are relatively anonymous here.

I also recommend that you don't give out much personal
information about yourself and ESPECIALLY about the girl
you are going to meet. I gave out a very small amount of
information and one forum member figured out who she
was and managed to contact the woman I was meeting and
started a huge fight between us. Keep yourself relatively
anonymous.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 05, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
Ukraine reports a record increase in Coronavirus cases:

http://menafn.com/1100589612/Ukraine-reports-1271-new-coronavirus-cases-in-past-24-hours

Still quite low out there if the official figures are to be believed, but the graph at the moment is showing an upward trend. If not already Ukraine might be set for a big crises in cases, possibly.

As it stands no reason to put you off as it's much the same no doubt in Belarus and elsewhere.

When do you leave for Ukraine Zoomer?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 05, 2020, 07:20:54 PM
Ukraine reports a record increase in Coronavirus cases:

http://menafn.com/1100589612/Ukraine-reports-1271-new-coronavirus-cases-in-past-24-hours

Still quite low out there if the official figures are to be believed, but the graph at the moment is showing an upward trend. If not already Ukraine might be set for a big crises in cases, possibly.

As it stands no reason to put you off as it's much the same no doubt in Belarus and elsewhere.

When do you leave for Ukraine Zoomer?

Trench,

As you are now advising others to go to BY and UA, what's holding YOU  back ? ..

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: CaptB on August 05, 2020, 09:37:48 PM
Billy B,


Yes........."Stirlitz". When I sign "Capt B" .................it automatically tries to change it to "Cant B" ?????????????????????


Thanks,
Capt B



Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 05, 2020, 10:29:41 PM
Trench,

As you are now advising others to go to BY and UA, what's holding YOU  back ? ..

I'm not advising others to go Mobers, Zoomer is already out there in Belarus and has decided to go to Ukraine. I personally would like to wait and see the way matters are going before going out there and potentially ending up having problems. Do try to keep up Mobers ;)
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on August 06, 2020, 02:52:55 AM
I personally would like to wait and see the way matters are going before going out there and potentially ending up having problems.

I got in and managed to avoid quarantine. (Legally, I can PM you if you want to know how but don't want to post about this publicly)
Anyway though we had our date and it went really well  :) She didn't speak any English but the translate app was actually very effective and we talked for almost 5 hours with it. I went in for the kiss at the beginning and end (got the cheek both times haha but she kissed me back on the cheek at the end). Big thank you to everyone here for the advice (even you, krimster) I think there's a lot of potential here, but whether it ends in marriage or not I'll have considered the trip a success.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 06, 2020, 02:54:44 AM
If your admission was legal, I fail to see the need to be clandestine...

I am sure you broke no laws...

Why keep it hidden?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: 2tallbill on August 06, 2020, 07:35:53 AM
I went in for the kiss at the beginning and end (got the cheek both times haha but she kissed me back on the cheek at the end).

Only time for one date?

Good idea to keep the travel details away from the peanut gallery.

Udachi!

Bill

PS If there's a next time you gotta do the spinTM

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 06, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
I got in and managed to avoid quarantine. (Legally, I can PM you if you want to know how but don't want to post about this publicly)
Anyway though we had our date and it went really well  :) She didn't speak any English but the translate app was actually very effective and we talked for almost 5 hours with it. I went in for the kiss at the beginning and end (got the cheek both times haha but she kissed me back on the cheek at the end). Big thank you to everyone here for the advice (even you, krimster) I think there's a lot of potential here, but whether it ends in marriage or not I'll have considered the trip a success.

Ah good stuff :) Yeah I heard the speach translate had come on a bit since a few years ago when it first came in, it was pretty slow and awkward then, it came out with some words correct but you had to be slow and very clear with what you said so it wasn't very good conversationally. Hence why I said the message translate to be on the safe side as otherwise it can come across as weird and awkward if it malfunctions lol.

The kiss on the cheek is not necessarily a bad sign, good girls will often want to avoid creating the wrong impression by accepting mouth kissing on the first date. That said it a way it is also a kind of courteous custom out there so unless the girl felt real off about you then she would tend to do so anyway.

Spending five hours with a girl out there means she likely wasn't off you. Whether there was any chemistry there only you two can tell. Did you do much together during those five hours? Visited anywhere?

I would say if you are still messaging after and there is a wish to meet again that may be worth considering. What did she look like and how did she come across to you?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 06, 2020, 09:33:12 AM


Good idea to keep the travel details away from the peanut gallery.

'Beel'..are you referring to how our OP crossed from UA to from BY being kept 'hidden'?

If so, WHY ?   

Many folks would like to know how to transit, legally ..under the current circumstances
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 06, 2020, 11:32:54 AM
wow zoomer...

such courteous goodwill I have rarely encountered...
when I see it
I don’t know whether to be happy or should I feel sad...
maybe it is just my nature to always feel emotionally conflicted
maybe all big emotions are really just a mixture of smaller ones together

please forgive this angry, bitter old man
this old soldier who salutes you

you see, I realize
I am about to leave someone that I love and may never live to see again
when I cross the big water this last time next month
that pain cuts me deeper
than any knife ever could

zoomer, being a man of gawd and all, I'm sure you would consider yourself morally superior to a drug using military veteran such as myself, am I correct?
(BTW, I am freaking "high as a kite" right now, ok)

if so, then how from a moral principle, i.e. "what is right and wrong"
how is it acceptable for you, coming from the most highly infected part of the world, traveling and skipping quarantine, into a less infected area?
don't you understand that the people's live's you're endangering are innocent Ukrainians...
and not yours, unless you get stuck in a Ukrainian hospital
for your convenience, you were willing to take some small risk, that you may be an asymptomatic spreader and you're now introducing a whole new Covid-19 strain to Ukraine
so this is not a decision about you risking yourself, it's about you risking others FOR yourself!

well, halaluya, praise gawd, and let's pass the collection plate NOW (pst...put a couple of "twentys" on top when you hand out the collection plate)

ya know hey sorry, this is starting to sound kinda passive aggressive now...
it's not really you, it's me man, I've been REALLY bummed out lately...
and it was just easy for me to pick on someone young and inexperienced
as a way for me to "blow off some steam" but it didn't really make me feel AT ALL any better
after thinking about what the world's gonna look like in one year...or in five years....
I'm STILL just as bummed out as I was...

sheeeeeet man...

 
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 06, 2020, 12:13:08 PM
'Beel'..are referring to how our OP crossed from UA to from BY being kept 'hidden'?

If so, WHY ?   

Many folks would like to know how to transit, legally

I think Zoomer flew in but that he means he either did a covid test at the airport or did one before travelling to avoid any quarantine.

As I have found crossing the border by train is not a joy, at least not for me. If you don't know Russian it's not a good idea. I was fortunate in being assisted by a Russian speaker by a good stroke of luck. Multiple interrogations by various border staff who seemingly spoke no English (at least in my case) would have been a much bigger ordeal had I not had a willing Russian speaker present.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 06, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
crossing a border by train is a great way to NOT get your luggage x-rayed like it would at the airport

I mean, not that this bit of info would EVER be important for some reason...
right?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 06, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
crossing a border by train is a great way to NOT get your luggage x-rayed like it would at the airport

I mean, not that this bit of info would EVER be important for some reason...
right?

True, they don't X-ray it. They ask you to open it but they didn't do an intense search of my luggage, then again it was only a small travel suitcase, plus it probably depends who you get or randomness of intense search basis. I wasn't hiding anything though just under the naive Impression from behind my computer screen back home that it would be a straight forward route in lol.

Well I can imagine it's a difficult period you are going through Krim viewing a future you didn't want as it's just not an appealing one at the moment. I've been in a different but similar situation not so long ago. I'm still not sure how things are going to pan out, whether I'm going to be in a unhappy place I don't want to be in at some point in the future. I think as we get older there becomes a vision of the future that can only look gloomy. That's not to say that it will or won't but it's what we envisage. At those times I find a small swig of alcohol can help the mind take a break from such thoughts and to a more pleasanter place :) Sometimes for a while it's just necessary.

I would question one thing as whether you are sure your daughters are best of in Russia. This crises is surely going to affect most places so is Russia really going to be any better than the US?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 06, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
True, they don't X-ray it.

Question for Krimster and Trench, when did either of you take a Russian long distance / international train ?  :rolleyes:

Here's a clue... Your cases ARE e-ray'd  as you enter the station ..

Crossing a LAND border ...in a car?

I have entered Russia from Latvia and 'Abkhazia' and the latter was more thorough ...

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 06, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Question for Krimster and Trench, when did either of you take a Russian long distance / international train ?  :rolleyes:

Here's a clue... Your cases ARE e-ray'd  as you enter the station ..

Crossing a LAND border ...in a car?

I have entered Russia from Latvia and 'Abkhazia' and the latter was more thorough ...

We're talking about Ukraine here not Russia. I have entered Ukraine from Poland, no x-ray was done before, at or after the station.
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 06, 2020, 06:04:39 PM
Trench is correct!!!
OMG!!

yes, Trench, lack of x-ray is why I ALWAYS go THIS route
they're only looking for Ukrainian cigarette smugglers
not nice American family like me
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Boethius on August 06, 2020, 09:42:30 PM
We're talking about Ukraine here not Russia. I have entered Ukraine from Poland, no x-ray was done before, at or after the station.


Wrong.  It's done in a way that you don't know.  This is also done at certain US-Canada border crossings.  No need to ask what's in your luggage/in your car.  They already know.  This is the way luggage on trains has been inspected at the border since Soviet times.


This post was composed without the aid of google.



Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: SteveInBoston on August 06, 2020, 10:26:06 PM


if so, then how from a moral principle, i.e. "what is right and wrong"
how is it acceptable for you, coming from the most highly infected part of the world, traveling and skipping quarantine, into a less infected area?
don't you understand that the people's live's you're endangering are innocent Ukrainians...
and not yours, unless you get stuck in a Ukrainian hospital
for your convenience, you were willing to take some small risk, that you may be an asymptomatic spreader and you're now introducing a whole new Covid-19 strain to Ukraine
so this is not a decision about you risking yourself, it's about you risking others FOR yourself!


Krim,

Did you skip over the OP's first post?  The part about him travelling to Ukraine from Belarus?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: based_zoomer1997 on August 07, 2020, 05:18:52 AM
Spending five hours with a girl out there means she likely wasn't off you. Whether there was any chemistry there only you two can tell. Did you do much together during those five hours? Visited anywhere?

I would say if you are still messaging after and there is a wish to meet again that may be worth considering. What did she look like and how did she come across to you?
We visited some monuments, churches, had dinner, and walked around her home neighborhood afterwards. She looked pretty but modest. She came across very well, I see no reason to be suspicious of her other than the usual.
I took a really long bike ride with her family yesterday, it was brutal, I think it might have been some sort of test (they said they had only ridden that far once before, and they ride bikes all the time, not sure why they decided to save the brutal one for me who hasn't ridden a bike in 5 years). But it was still fun, I like her family and they seem to like me. It's also cool to not have the pressure of being a good conversationalist lol
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 07, 2020, 08:02:21 AM
"Did you skip over the OP's first post?  The part about him travelling to Ukraine from Belarus?"

da, but he's one of those Americans, now ain't he?
you know the most covid-19 infected spot on the Earth
some of the "Red Zones" in the US have one out of four Corona tests come back positive...
not at all cool for an asymptomatic US Covid-19 spreader to leave the USA and go to Belarus or Ukraine
you can't say, "no way would that ever happen, when that's EXACTLY how it got there in the first place"

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: krimster2 on August 07, 2020, 08:46:10 AM
"Wrong.  It's done in a way that you don't know.  This is also done at certain US-Canada border crossings.  No need to ask what's in your luggage/in your car.  They already know."

shto te gavirisch?
if what you said was TRUE, I'd probably still be in prison...
I used to use the Kyiv-Berlin rail route ALL THE TIME
to bring stuff in and OUT of Ukraine and Russia

if Ukrainians can do it smuggling cigarettes to Germany
I can do it smuggling other things, you know like aid to orphans and so forth

BTW, "done by a way you don't know"
this is called "informants"
pros like me have no problem

but now I have access to a Russian registered commercial aircraft
and don't need no stinkin train anymore


Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 20, 2020, 10:29:31 AM
Trench

WHY are you STILL offering 'advice' when you cannot pull yourself ?
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 20, 2020, 11:16:53 AM
Trench

WHY are you STILL offering 'advice' when you cannot pull yourself ?

Lol, it's time out at the moment Mobers. What am I supposed to do, go to Ukraine? Even the official figures are on the up there. If BillyB MIL is right then they have a real problem out there.

So if I were to risk it I could end up stuck in a Ukrainian hospital with the virus. Now that's not an enviable position to be in, apart from ending my days there the virus is known to inflict potentially long term debilitating health problems.

At the moment I am in a fortunate part of the world where virus numbers are currently low. So I don't think you can slam me for not being in the game when the game play has been suspended my dear Mobers.

Anyway, now that travel to/from Russia has been resumed isn't there someone you need to be with???
Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 20, 2020, 04:58:17 PM
Dearest Trench,

You didn't address my point re offeri g 'advice'...you simply told is why you weren't going off on yet another trip, without a clue, then coming back and suggesting these fails make you an 'expert'...

Indeed, SC and I seem closer to meeting...with a spot of enforced togetherness (quarantine).



 
Title: First date advice
Post by: 2tallbill on August 21, 2020, 06:57:17 AM
Dearest Trench,

You didn't address my point re offeri g 'advice'...you simply told is why you weren't going off on yet another trip, without a clue, then coming back and suggesting these fails make you an 'expert'...

Indeed, SC and I seem closer to meeting...with a spot of enforced togetherness (quarantine).

 :offtopic:

Dearest Moby,

I want to welcome you and Trench to engage in conversations in
threads specially designed for the two of you rather than take over 
another thread.

Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24334.75


Yet More Blah, Blah, Blah
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24173.75

Title: Re: First date advice
Post by: msmob on August 21, 2020, 08:52:30 AM


Dearest Moby,

...

Beel, for someone who denies being a mini Hitler you sure do come across as a frustrated 'board owner'..

Just try observing how you manage to bring US politics into so many threads ...

'Thank you..'