Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: cameraguymn on February 20, 2021, 01:07:53 PM
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I started out two years ago in earnest to find an amazing beautiful woman from Russia or Ukraine.
I've found her and then some. She is a 10. She looks like she can grace any fashion magazine cover. She speaks English well. She has a higher degree. She has a great personality. She laughs and has a positive outlook on life. She's hardworking and doesn't mind custodial work even though she has a high education. She is charismatic, humble and feminine while fiercely independent. She's 28 and has a funny and cute kid that sends me little video messages in English. Momma taught her English.
Too good to be true? I know tons of guys will be trying to talk to her. Beautiful women - beautiful women on this level always attract attention and drama. Insecurities, jealousy issues. I am a secure person but I already know the issues that will be coming.
Am I just being insecure or am I one of those guys who just relishes the chase and when they get what they are looking for.....they don't know what to do. There are no little red flags or little voice that tells me there is something wrong - I feel that I understand the insecurity issue and am grappling with the idea that this journey may have been too easy.
I feel many of my friends may not understand what I'm going through internally. Perhaps this crowd may offer some insight into this dilemma.
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I've found her and then some.
How many days have you spent face to face together?
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Virtually about 14 days. Breathing the same air - zero.
How many days have you spent face to face together?
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Virtually about 14 days. Breathing the same air - zero.
You are jumping the gun on the too good to be true
question. Ask this question again after you've spent
two weeks together face to face.
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Virtually about 14 days. Breathing the same air - zero.
If you really think that she is too good to be true, get
on a plane and meet her before somebody that was like
pre-marriage 2tallbill. The last thing you want is for some
slippery dick to weasel in before you pull the trigger.
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Too good to be true?
Did she give you her phone number? Can you call her without making an appointment like when doing video chats? I never did video chats. By calling, I can find out how important I am to the ladies. Sometimes they're with friends, at work, or in the tub. If they are busy, I'd tell them I'll call later but if they like me, they'll tell me they want to talk now. Also I can judge their enthusiasm for me when I call. Some are thrilled to hear my voice. Make the calls with your lady and you'll learn if she's into you or not. Don't waste money visiting a woman because she has a pretty face. Make sure she's into you before spending thousands of dollars to go see her.
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⬆️Billy’s advice is spot on. If I was going to visit just one woman, which I have. Over a 2-3 month period online, i’d want to see daily messages and her sharing 100’s of pictures and videos. Weekly calls and video chatting. Maybe playing some online games together (scrabble etc..), watching movies while video chatting and even cooking and eating meals together virtually.
A woman who has chemistry and see’s you as a serious potential partner, will go over and above to make you a priority in her life, even during the online stage. A genuine man doesn’t come along that often so she has to make the most of her opportunities.
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I started out two years ago in earnest to find an amazing beautiful woman from Russia or Ukraine.
I've found her and then some. She is a 10. She looks like she can grace any fashion magazine cover. She speaks English well. She has a higher degree. She has a great personality. She laughs and has a positive outlook on life. She's hardworking and doesn't mind custodial work even though she has a high education. She is charismatic, humble and feminine while fiercely independent. She's 28 and has a funny and cute kid that sends me little video messages in English. Momma taught her English.
Too good to be true? I know tons of guys will be trying to talk to her. Beautiful women - beautiful women on this level always attract attention and drama. Insecurities, jealousy issues. I am a secure person but I already know the issues that will be coming.
Am I just being insecure or am I one of those guys who just relishes the chase and when they get what they are looking for.....they don't know what to do. There are no little red flags or little voice that tells me there is something wrong - I feel that I understand the insecurity issue and am grappling with the idea that this journey may have been too easy.
I feel many of my friends may not understand what I'm going through internally. Perhaps this crowd may offer some insight into this dilemma.
Let's for one moment take it as all that you are saying is true and this girl isn't a scammer. Yes there are indeed very, very pretty girl on FSU Dating sites that aren't scammers. As said before they are there for some other reason. Often it's because there are no good local guys that can offer the comfortable lifestyle a very, very attractive woman 'expects'. There can be other reasons but we need not go into them here.
Big question is how do you stack up CG?
How old are you in comparison? How comfortable a lifestyle can you offer her? How handsome are you? How is your physical form looking? How good are you socially?
These are all very pertinent questions. When I fire them at myself and be real honest with myself looking in the mirror I see room for improvement and my short comings.
Now for an average everyday girl I could move in without working on myself much. Even some of those may not be keen on some of my shortcomings however. For a girl who is very, very attractive as you state then you're going to have to be a top guy also and that isn't always easy unless you're lucky enough to have those things already in place. Most guys don't in my opinion and most that visit the FSU don't which is often why they end up there.
Be aware that if she gets with you and you aren't all that when she gets into your home country she could likely look to trade up for another guy. Remember they could likely just have the crap left to choose between where they are, but when they get a better choice in your home country will they stick with you?
Some guys over rate a girl who is a pretty enough looking everyday girl but if she really is a 10 fashion model then you're going to have to make sure you stack up well also.
I know of a girl in the UK who is similar to what you describe & with a kid. There seemed to be interest her way but on closer consideration I judged that a) she very likely can have virtually any dude she so desires, b) her guy she had her kid with is likely still in the picture, and c) I likely don't come near enough to get with a girl like her nor stay with her, not unless I sort out my shortcomings. Basically I not bad as a guy in his early- mid forties I'm about 6ft tall, still brown hair, not balding or significantly greying, average everyday looks, average physical form, etc. But I need to work on my physical form to get a more athletic form, need to look/be a bit more prosperous, etc.
So the thing I am saying to you here CG is that you need to look at the small stuff about yourself if not already. A while back on here a forum member put up a pic of an overweight balding guy with a big belly and said too often someone who wanted that wanted a model and put up a pic of a model. That is true but I think often it's not as extreme as that, you only have to be a little bit out to be not quite there and not quite there is just not there. I think a lot of guys go to the FSU who aren't quite there and it ends up going badly for them in the end with the type of woman you mention as she wants a guy who is fully there and as good as she is.
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good question - I can call her anytime of the day. Usually I call her her time 6pm to 11pm and 10am to 1pm. I call her, videochat, chat message with her without any issues or challenges or excuses.
Did she give you her phone number? Can you call her without making an appointment like when doing video chats? I never did video chats. By calling, I can find out how important I am to the ladies. Sometimes they're with friends, at work, or in the tub. If they are busy, I'd tell them I'll call later but if they like me, they'll tell me they want to talk now. Also I can judge their enthusiasm for me when I call. Some are thrilled to hear my voice. Make the calls with your lady and you'll learn if she's into you or not. Don't waste money visiting a woman because she has a pretty face. Make sure she's into you before spending thousands of dollars to go see her.
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Now this is the nitty gritty authentic discussion I'm looking for.
It's a lot about the looks. One of the circles that I move in involve people of high net wealth, some of those are from usually attractive stock. I know how men are when they are among other men and feel a need to exert their alpha selves to get the prettiest girl. I've seen how they look, view and treat women.
My profession is interesting. I am in a senior level leadership position and make good money and can provide a good quality of life. We would have a good life in the top 35% tax bracket. We won't fight about finances but I can't offer a lifestyle of a millionaire. Perhaps it is my experience with some of these millionaires that has some cause for concern.
To be totally honest with myself I wouldn't get swiped in Tinder but somehow I've never had any challenges dating or pursuing women. I think I have a great personality and can provide confident and interesting conversation. I wouldn't be selected for the Bachelor. But on a deeper level I feel I can connect with women because I listen to them, treat them well and have an emotional maturity that makes them feel loved and safe.
She doesn't think I am rich. I would like to think it is the sincerely in my eyes and the emotional connection we have. I'm sure she assumes I have a job and can provide. I don't doubt her authenticity or her sincerity in her attraction towards me. If she's acting she's a very very good actor.
Deep down inside I think that in the next 10 years there will be men her age or around her age range who will be more handsome, more fit or wealthier who will try to get with her - who could offer an upgrade in lifestyle of what I can provide. Some guys are too scared to approach an attractive woman at a coffee shop if she's alone - there always will be some guys who will not take no for answer.
I've dated some very lovely women and I've seen it all. The NFL cheerleader who always got hit on at the club or restaurant and told "if you want a real man". But she and I had a trust and grew in love together. (I actually ended that relationship-now she's the hottest attorney in Arizona.) So I've lived through all of that. With a Ukrainian woman who probably has not been in a Ferrari or shopped on Rodeo - those things could be at the very least a curiosity. Men will use every advantage they can get for an in.
Sometimes women can be stupid and tricked. Attention is a BIG thing for them. I dated a pretty doctor a few years back. She mentioned how this other doctor was so nice helping her out bla bla bla. I told her point blank "dude is trying to get into your pants." She actually thought he was genuinely trying to be platonic friends with her and we had a fight and eventually broke up because she did not believe me. I was right and got a drunk sobbing phone call on new years eve while I was with my new girlfriend.
One part of my world deals with models, beautiful people and rich people, and I've seen beautiful women look for a lifestyle upgrade many times through their own machination as well as through careful manipulation from older rich men.
Yes - I may have the girl. But to be truthful - can I keep the girl.
It is an insecurity in my head. She may one day truly love me. Even madly fall for me. But I am over a decade older than her. Life experience has showed me that even people in love can stray with the right conditions. Statistics show that 20% of couples cheat. I know for fact men will try to talk with her.
She truly is breathtaking. She has this glamorous beauty that you feel should walking the red carpet or on the arms of an equally beautiful person. (that last statement might be the real reason)
I just don't want to be that idiot who decides not to pursue a great thing because of what could happen wrong or because she was simply too hot. I feel guilty having these doubts but I'd rather not fall hard for someone if it'll be doomed in 5 or 10 years. This one is it. No more introducing new women to my family.
Maybe it's all the noise about Ukrainian women. Maybe it's my insecurities. Maybe it's that I've seen how other men will hit on beautiful women.
There are only a few truths. She is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. And I'm getting on a plane once I get vaccinated.
Let's for one moment take it as all that you are saying is true and this girl isn't a scammer. Yes there are indeed very, very pretty girl on FSU Dating sites that aren't scammers. As said before they are there for some other reason. Often it's because there are no good local guys that can offer the comfortable lifestyle a very, very attractive woman 'expects'. There can be other reasons but we need not go into them here.
Big question is how do you stack up CG?
How old are you in comparison? How comfortable a lifestyle can you offer her? How handsome are you? How is your physical form looking? How good are you socially?
These are all very pertinent questions. When I fire them at myself and be real honest with myself looking in the mirror I see room for improvement and my short comings.
Now for an average everyday girl I could move in without working on myself much. Even some of those may not be keen on some of my shortcomings however. For a girl who is very, very attractive as you state then you're going to have to be a top guy also and that isn't always easy unless you're lucky enough to have those things already in place. Most guys don't in my opinion and most that visit the FSU don't which is often why they end up there.
Be aware that if she gets with you and you aren't all that when she gets into your home country she could likely look to trade up for another guy. Remember they could likely just have the crap left to choose between where they are, but when they get a better choice in your home country will they stick with you?
Some guys over rate a girl who is a pretty enough looking everyday girl but if she really is a 10 fashion model then you're going to have to make sure you stack up well also.
I know of a girl in the UK who is similar to what you describe & with a kid. There seemed to be interest her way but on closer consideration I judged that a) she very likely can have virtually any dude she so desires, b) her guy she had her kid with is likely still in the picture, and c) I likely don't come near enough to get with a girl like her nor stay with her, not unless I sort out my shortcomings. Basically I not bad as a guy in his early- mid forties I'm about 6ft tall, still brown hair, not balding or significantly greying, average everyday looks, average physical form, etc. But I need to work on my physical form to get a more athletic form, need to look/be a bit more prosperous, etc.
So the thing I am saying to you here CG is that you need to look at the small stuff about yourself if not already. A while back on here a forum member put up a pic of an overweight balding guy with a big belly and said too often someone who wanted that wanted a model and put up a pic of a model. That is true but I think often it's not as extreme as that, you only have to be a little bit out to be not quite there and not quite there is just not there. I think a lot of guys go to the FSU who aren't quite there and it ends up going badly for them in the end with the type of woman you mention as she wants a guy who is fully there and as good as she is.
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Now this is the nitty gritty authentic discussion I'm looking for.
It's a lot about the looks. One of the circles that I move in involve people of high net wealth, some of those are from usually attractive stock. I know how men are when they are among other men and feel a need to exert their alpha selves to get the prettiest girl. I've seen how they look, view and treat women.
My profession is interesting. I am in a senior level leadership position and make good money and can provide a good quality of life. We would have a good life in the top 35% tax bracket. We won't fight about finances but I can't offer a lifestyle of a millionaire. Perhaps it is my experience with some of these millionaires that has some cause for concern.
To be totally honest with myself I wouldn't get swiped in Tinder but somehow I've never had any challenges dating or pursuing women. I think I have a great personality and can provide confident and interesting conversation. I wouldn't be selected for the Bachelor. But on a deeper level I feel I can connect with women because I listen to them, treat them well and have an emotional maturity that makes them feel loved and safe.
She doesn't think I am rich. I would like to think it is the sincerely in my eyes and the emotional connection we have. I'm sure she assumes I have a job and can provide. I don't doubt her authenticity or her sincerity in her attraction towards me. If she's acting she's a very very good actor.
Deep down inside I think that in the next 10 years there will be men her age or around her age range who will be more handsome, more fit or wealthier who will try to get with her - who could offer an upgrade in lifestyle of what I can provide. Some guys are too scared to approach an attractive woman at a coffee shop if she's alone - there always will be some guys who will not take no for answer.
I've dated some very lovely women and I've seen it all. The NFL cheerleader who always got hit on at the club or restaurant and told "if you want a real man". But she and I had a trust and grew in love together. (I actually ended that relationship-now she's the hottest attorney in Arizona.) So I've lived through all of that. With a Ukrainian woman who probably has not been in a Ferrari or shopped on Rodeo - those things could be at the very least a curiosity. Men will use every advantage they can get for an in.
Sometimes women can be stupid and tricked. Attention is a BIG thing for them. I dated a pretty doctor a few years back. She mentioned how this other doctor was so nice helping her out bla bla bla. I told her point blank "dude is trying to get into your pants." She actually thought he was genuinely trying to be platonic friends with her and we had a fight and eventually broke up because she did not believe me. I was right and got a drunk sobbing phone call on new years eve while I was with my new girlfriend.
One part of my world deals with models, beautiful people and rich people, and I've seen beautiful women look for a lifestyle upgrade many times through their own machination as well as through careful manipulation from older rich men.
Yes - I may have the girl. But to be truthful - can I keep the girl.
It is an insecurity in my head. She may one day truly love me. Even madly fall for me. But I am over a decade older than her. Life experience has showed me that even people in love can stray with the right conditions. Statistics show that 20% of couples cheat. I know for fact men will try to talk with her.
She truly is breathtaking. She has this glamorous beauty that you feel should walking the red carpet or on the arms of an equally beautiful person. (that last statement might be the real reason)
I just don't want to be that idiot who decides not to pursue a great thing because of what could happen wrong or because she was simply too hot. I feel guilty having these doubts but I'd rather not fall hard for someone if it'll be doomed in 5 or 10 years. This one is it. No more introducing new women to my family.
Maybe it's all the noise about Ukrainian women. Maybe it's my insecurities. Maybe it's that I've seen how other men will hit on beautiful women.
There are only a few truths. She is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. And I'm getting on a plane once I get vaccinated.
Glad to be able to help out :)
I don't do that great on tinder either lol. I think though that anything that is a potential negative on you is what you need to keep in mind. The more unattractive or out of shape a guy is the more of a negative that is and negatives count. After all for most men a girl who has negatives of being unattractive and/or overweight are going to not come off well in our eyes also.
Age is also a negative in most cases, some girls like a bit of an older guy as who she may feel is more confident & reliable in life, a kind of father figure vibe without actually being her father's age. For many girls though age will likely be a negative. I haven't aged badly for my years I would say but I wouldn't doubt it that I look about around my early forties. Small signs creep in like a lot of wrinkling around the eyes when you smile etc. So I never really get with the notion that a forties guy looks like he's in his twenties lol.
I don't know the ins & outs of the girl you are communicating with. From her position any foreign guy could potentially offer her a better lifestyle and if not she would be in a better country. Apart from any family support the government in Ukraine doesn't give much in the way of financial support to lone Mother's. She may not have in mind any set plan to use a guy as a visa mule, upgrade, etc but it is probably more of a case of her accepting whatever the realities of the situation that unfold before her eyes as anything goes along. Ukrainian girls can often be very friendly and socialable but may also have their own mind on matters that they may not discuss.
I'm not saying you couldn't get and hold onto this girl but beware of any negatives on your part with any girl you go for. It sounds like you have some positives too that offset that but they will likely only do so much to take away from the negatives in my opinion.
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Now this is the nitty gritty authentic discussion I'm looking for.
Yes - I may have the girl. But to be truthful - can I keep the girl.
Good grief,
Don't dwell on insecurities just because Trench does.
Somebody has to kiss the prom queen.
1. Figure out if she is a good girl and if she is,
2. Go to the girl, seduce her and win her heart.
That's what she wants if she is a good girl.
Udachi!
Bill
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One part of my world deals with models, beautiful people and rich people, and I've seen beautiful women look for a lifestyle upgrade many times through their own machination as well as through careful manipulation from older rich men.
Yes - I may have the girl. But to be truthful - can I keep the girl.
It is an insecurity in my head. She may one day truly love me. Even madly fall for me. But I am over a decade older than her. Life experience has showed me that even people in love can stray with the right conditions. Statistics show that 20% of couples cheat. I know for fact men will try to talk with her.
She truly is breathtaking. She has this glamorous beauty that you feel should walking the red carpet or on the arms of an equally beautiful person. (that last statement might be the real reason)
I just don't want to be that idiot who decides not to pursue a great thing because of what could happen wrong or because she was simply too hot. I feel guilty having these doubts but I'd rather not fall hard for someone if it'll be doomed in 5 or 10 years. This one is it. No more introducing new women to my family.
Maybe it's all the noise about Ukrainian women. Maybe it's my insecurities. Maybe it's that I've seen how other men will hit on beautiful women.
There are only a few truths. She is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. And I'm getting on a plane once I get vaccinated.
CG, It sounds like you're putting the cart before the horse. Your first order of business is to MEET this woman face to face and spend a good amount of TIME with her. It sounds like you've fallen in love with a photo. To quote the Rolling Stones: 'She's just a girl'. No amount of virtual time compares to REAL time, so cool your jets and do the first things first.
I can promise you that she will get hit on by every horndog in town so be the person she wants to be with. My wife always said that 'Boyfriends are easy to find, Husbands are much more difficult.
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If you both are really interested in each other, then don't waste time and just get on a friggin plane......
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good question - I can call her anytime of the day. Usually I call her her time 6pm to 11pm and 10am to 1pm. I call her, videochat, chat message with her without any issues or challenges or excuses.
How often do you chat with her per week?
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Now this is the nitty gritty authentic discussion I'm looking for.
You don’t want to be taking advice from Trench. His worldview is taken from the textbooks of Roosh and other worthy types.
He has no ‘authenticity’ to back the chapter and verse he doles out here as he’s never been in a relationship, be it with a local girl or FSUW.
You’d do well to heed the words of those who have ‘been there and done it’ and can offer sound advice.
Relationships with FSUW are not easy, that’s for sure. Saying that, there are no guarantees that come with any kind of relationship. You only have to look in your back yard to see the marriage failure statistics so from that perspective it makes little difference who you marry.
That marriages will fail is a reality of the world we live in now. Marrying an FSUW won’t change that.
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We talk everyday - twice a day when my morning starts and before I go to sleep about 2am. We videochat nearly every other day too.
I think in my head I understand she really has more choices...probably better choices to select someone for her.
I tend to plan for things too much. Maybe over think it.
We shall see when we meet in person if the chemistry stays and grows - hopefully that is very soon. As soon as I get vaccinated I can whisk off for 7-10 days without any issues.
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We talk everyday - twice a day
That's the right amount
I think in my head I understand she really has more choices...probably better choices to select someone for her.
She is going to chat with somebody else twice a day every day?
Stop the stinkin thinkin.
Maybe over think it.
Winner for the "Understatement of the day"
I told Angel Eyes that she was going to fall madly in love with me and
live happily ever after at least two hundred times. Maybe 30 times before
I got my first kiss. She knew I was right and accepted that it was inevitable.
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We talk everyday - twice a day when my morning starts and before I go to sleep about 2am. We videochat nearly every other day too.
I think in my head I understand she really has more choices...probably better choices to select someone for her.
I tend to plan for things too much. Maybe over think it.
We shall see when we meet in person if the chemistry stays and grows - hopefully that is very soon. As soon as I get vaccinated I can whisk off for 7-10 days without any issues.
She allows you to call her anytime you want and she's a 10? If things went smooth during your communications, it's time to tell her you'd like to visit. Don't ask her if you can come visit her. TELL her you're coming. Don't waste anymore time.
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She might be a simple woman looking for stability for her child , the prospect of moving to the west and her child having new opportunities is a good prospect for her. If she was 28 without a child, looking for someone much older than herself , it would be a different story.
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Have you asked about the father of her child? Was she married? If so, why is she divorced? If not, what is the father's role in her child's life? In Ukraine, a child moving abroad can only do so with the consent of the remaining parent. If there is a father on her child's birth certificate, he will have to consent to her moving, if things go that far.
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Have you asked about the father of her child? Was she married? If so, why is she divorced? If not, what is the father's role in her child's life? In Ukraine, a child moving abroad can only do so with the consent of the remaining parent. If there is a father on her child's birth certificate, he will have to consent to her moving, if things go that far.
+1
A detail that almost all western ignore, they ran into a nice photo and realize in the end that the woman finally cannot leave or the father will ransom him in a way or another. Not all men are like this, but you can find many problems If she has a child and the father doesn't want to let it go easy.
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Have you asked about the father of her child? Was she married? If so, why is she divorced? If not, what is the father's role in her child's life? In Ukraine, a child moving abroad can only do so with the consent of the remaining parent. If there is a father on her child's birth certificate, he will have to consent to her moving, if things go that far.
If she is willing to separate her child thousands of miles from it's father, why do you think she would not do the same to you and your child? You might want to think long and hard before starting a family with such a person. :popcorn:
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If she is willing to separate her child thousands of miles from it's father, why do you think she would not do the same to you and your child? You might want to think long and hard before starting a family with such a person. :popcorn:
You are assuming the father is not a dead beat father, most fathers in Ukraine discard their kids . All the women I dated , had father's that were dead beats , women I communicated with who had kids , had a kid with a dead beat. They might be more interested in the pay off they would get for signing off that their child can go to the west .
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Do you think women who sleep with deadbeats are marriage material?
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A detail that almost all western ignore, they ran into a nice photo and realize in the end that the woman finally cannot leave or the father will ransom him in a way or another. Not all men are like this, but you can find many problems If she has a child and the father doesn't want to let it go easy.
I guess where potential scams can come in as well. The father asks for a hefty sum, it's paid by the guy and then the lady decides not to go for some reason leaving the guy high and dry. So the guy never really knows until after having paid if he is going to be taken for a ride or if the girl is legit. Getting to know the girl well with lots of time spent with her no doubt helps but I guess no one really knows for sure.
Other matter as you suggest Pat is if the father doesn't want to let go easy. It must be remembered that odds are to the father it would mean not seeing his child again in person, moreso if all the way over in the US. Because the lady is willing doesn't mean the father would be as let's face it any guy that felt anything for their children, I feel I would if I had any, wouldn't allow themselves to be bought off by some other dude and potentially wave bye, bye to their child forever. Of course some guys are lowlifes who wouldn't think twice.
Not trying to burst CG's bubble here but with a 10 model looks girl in the mix I think it will be a lucky one if it ends up a walk in the park.
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Do you think women who sleep with deadbeats are marriage material?
Lol , women are looking for emotions, me , my gf , tattoo master joke about this. They are looking for a man who promises them their heart , does a handstand telling they are beautiful, but when it comes down to doing what real men do , which is stick to their word . They are gone .
My current gf , and many women I been with want a family with me , because they quickly realise I don't mess about. I don't talk about emotions (actually my gf mocks me for this and others), but instead get on with shit. I am in the gym , working on my business and leave the kids to talk about how big their heart is. Reminds me of the girl I dumped a few months back , and another , crying their eyes out telling me how deep their emotions were for me , but they were just young and little work ethic .
My current gf cares for me , now works full time in my business, quit her job to join my business , goes to the gym , take care of everything.
Ukraine and Russia for me is the land of the talk. Talk about emotions , about what you are going to do. When it comes down to it , nobody is to be seen . Few actual men here , and a few women with work ethic.
Deadbeat women and men are hard to see , they talk a lot and the gullible bite , and scared to let go . I cut the heads off anyone who fails to deliver on what they see. not everyone can walk away from a situation
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. The father asks for a hefty sum, it's paid by the guy and then the lady decides not to go for some reason leaving the guy high and dry. So the guy never really knows until after having paid if he is going to be taken for a ride or if the girl is legit.
Rarely will a woman do this , she won't have sex multiple times with a man , just to maybe for him to propose to her ,.then she plays that scam , and get a bit of money.
She might as well be an escort and more guaranteed money . The only scam many women do (majority) , marry a western man , go to the west , spend a few years there , get an income and feet on the ground and upgrade.
That is the common story , you hear about guys often saying they married a good woman , what they mean (and don't disclose) , is they have a good prenup . Find a good prenup lawyer, before finding a good wife . Save you in the long run , like many men on here and who done the marry fsuw women found out
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Do you think women who sleep with deadbeats are marriage material?
Women get married early in the FSU, far too early in many cases.
This is an excellent subject that should have it's own standalone thread.
Something like
Women with children and all that goes with it.
It's going to get buried here
I will ask to see if a mod agrees
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Women get married early in the FSU, far too early in many cases.
This is an excellent subject that should have it's own standalone thread.
Something like
Women with children and all that goes with it.
It's going to get buried here
I will ask to see if a mod agrees
Careful, Bill......a thread like that may divert blood flow from the little head to the larger one. ;D
I found a thread here with more discussion on topic.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2966.0
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Will the father release the child, religion, politics, and many more hot topic issues need to be discussed before marrying.
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If she is willing to separate her child thousands of miles from it's father, why do you think she would not do the same to you and your child? You might want to think long and hard before starting a family with such a person. :popcorn:
That depends on whether or not the father is involved with the child. Many Ukrainian men will happily remain in their child's life, but many do not. Those that don't typically are addicted to something - alcohol, drugs, women.
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Lol , women are looking for emotions, me , my gf , tattoo master joke about this. They are looking for a man who promises them their heart , does a handstand telling they are beautiful, but when it comes down to doing what real men do , which is stick to their word . They are gone .
My current gf , and many women I been with want a family with me , because they quickly realise I don't mess about. I don't talk about emotions (actually my gf mocks me for this and others), but instead get on with shit. I am in the gym , working on my business and leave the kids to talk about how big their heart is. Reminds me of the girl I dumped a few months back , and another , crying their eyes out telling me how deep their emotions were for me , but they were just young and little work ethic .
My current gf cares for me , now works full time in my business, quit her job to join my business , goes to the gym , take care of everything.
Ukraine and Russia for me is the land of the talk. Talk about emotions , about what you are going to do. When it comes down to it , nobody is to be seen . Few actual men here , and a few women with work ethic.
Deadbeat women and men are hard to see , they talk a lot and the gullible bite , and scared to let go . I cut the heads off anyone who fails to deliver on what they see. not everyone can walk away from a situation
Not all women are looking for emotions. Women, like men, want different things in a mate. You can't make such sweeping statements as a "truth", because it's not a universal truth.
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This forum has acquainted me with some of the realties and nuances of this situation with Ukrainian/Russian ex husbands and their parental rights.
I was reading a thread in here or perhaps the other forum about an extremely stern Ukrainian woman making sure her baby's father sign a document and allowed his child to go to UK.
Those types of stories and experience help prepare folks like me quite a bit.
I suppose if the guy is going to be a hard ass and an ass and see this situation as an opportunity to receive some sort of fee - I'll probably bite up to a certain amount just to get it over. Probably another good topic for discussion: how much would you be willing to pay to smooth things over to get mom and kids to your country. I certainly can empathize with a man separating with their child no matter what the circumstances were in the past - you have to be a real ass not to have some sort of somber feeling about that.
I hope that the guy being a father and relatively decent human being will look at this as a good opportunity for their child to be with someone who will care and love her and all the opportunities that will be afforded her by a man who can financially provide for the child as well as a country that will present better options for better life. But if you life is in shambles and you have a chance to get a few thousand dollars - I kinda of understand.
Most women that I've spoken to actually say the father is not in the picture, has never cared for their children - but that doesn't mean they won't take advantage of the situation.
But the woman and I have discussed it and she says she's confident she can convince him to allow her daughter to leave the country.
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So the father is involved in the child's life? If so, I have to agree with Grumpy that separating the child from her father is wrong.
I hope that the guy being a father and relatively decent human being will look at this as a good opportunity for their child to be with someone who will care and love her and all the opportunities that will be afforded her by a man who can financially provide for the child as well as a country that will present better options for better life. But if you life is in shambles and you have a chance to get a few thousand dollars - I kinda of understand.
You can't know if the child's life will be better in the U.S. You can't even know if there is better opportunity for her in the U.S. If the father is involved and agrees to let her go, the least you can do is promise him, and KEEP the promise, that you will send his child back to visit him for at least a month every year.
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Go over first chance you get, meet her, date her and see where it goes. If the father balks about letting the child leave, no problem just stay and start a new life together.
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I suppose if the guy is going to be a hard ass and an ass and see this
situation as an opportunity to receive some sort of fee - I'll probably
bite up to a certain amount just to get it over. Probably another good topic for discussion: how much would you be willing to pay to smooth things over to get mom and kids to your country. I certainly can empathize with a man separating with their child no matter what the circumstances were in the past - you have to be a real ass not to have some sort of somber feeling about that.
I hope that the guy being a father and relatively decent human being will look at this as a good opportunity for their child to be with someone who will care and love her and all the opportunities that will be afforded her by a man who can financially provide for the child as well as a country that will present better options for better life. But if you life is in shambles and you have a chance to get a few thousand dollars - I kinda of understand.
Most women that I've spoken to actually say the father is not in the picture, has never cared for their children - but that doesn't mean they won't take advantage of the situation.
But the woman and I have discussed it and she says she's confident she can convince him to allow her daughter to leave the country.
I would wait to see if you and the girl have chemistry face to face
then there are strategies that you can start talking about.
I want to make one important point that is important when dealing
with people from the FSU. Don't offer your checkbook as the first
solution to a problem.
Your woman was married to the guy and knows him better than you
do. If the guy hasn't been paying child support then that can be an
issue for him with a thousand twists and turns. A notice for 6 years
of back child support might make him more agreeable to signing
(or not). Your girl would know better
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I would wait to see if you and the girl have chemistry face to face then there are strategies that you can start talking about.
I want to make one important point that is important when dealing with people from the FSU. Don't offer your checkbook as the first
solution to a problem.
I agree with this.
If the guy hasn't been paying child support then that can be an issue for him with a thousand twists and turns. A notice for 6 years of back child support might make him more agreeable to signing (or not).
He's not in Kansas anymore . . . A failure to pay child support has zero consequences in Ukraine, and certainly won't factor into any court case to remove a child from the country without consent.
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I remember talking to my ex fiance , took me two weeks to warm up to the idea of dating . Even then , we spoke on video daily for hours , deleted our dating apps , and non stop messaging. Took me a few months to get myself financially ready to make the trip.
Reading this , seems like something I experienced back then. It seems daft to think of all of these things , but when you think you found the one , you end up doing stupid stuff.
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Absolutely right - can't guarantee a better life but with all the information so far...mostly likely :)
She sounds like she'll be able to convince him so I trust her judgement. And he hasn't been paying child support.
I agree, as an moral person, allow the opportunity for the father to keep in touch with the child.
So the father is involved in the child's life? If so, I have to agree with Grumpy that separating the child from her father is wrong.
You can't know if the child's life will be better in the U.S. You can't even know if there is better opportunity for her in the U.S. If the father is involved and agrees to let her go, the least you can do is promise him, and KEEP the promise, that you will send his child back to visit him for at least a month every year.
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If she is willing to separate her child thousands of miles from it's father, why do you think she would not do the same to you and your child? You might want to think long and hard before starting a family with such a person. :popcorn:
That’s a rather sweeping statement to make without knowing the background to the womans relationship fail.
Very few people would ever remarry if such motives were attributed constantly.
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Absolutely right - can't guarantee a better life but with all the information so far...mostly likely :)
She sounds like she'll be able to convince him so I trust her judgement. And he hasn't been paying child support.
I agree, as an moral person, allow the opportunity for the father to keep in touch with the child.
Far better to have a willing participant in all parental decisions. Have you considered meeting the father when the time is right?
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Interesting that this comes to the table even before having met the woman. You might want to check where you put the horse.To me the answer is simple. It is her problem, and she has to deal with it, not you. By staying out of it you avoid being the wallet on legs as you have little else to offer to the ex. You can meet him if she asks, perhaps you will get along. But any decision over the future of the child is hers until you are married.
If she ells you that she needs to pay, you can consider to support her, but do not start offering anything by yourself. Remember all money you spend on this is to be considered to be lost in case of a breakup.
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I think its prudent to look at the trajectory of this journey and consider all of these issues before hand. This is the internet age and internet dating has been happening for nearly 30 years. We wouldn't be the first to proclaim our love before ever meeting - I'm sure millions have done that and many of those have gone on to have successful relationships. But I'm old school and those three words would probably not happen till we meet and breath the same air and probably share other things.
I would probably like to take the guy out for a beer and make sure he knows who will be raising his daughter. I would like that same courtesy if it were me letting go of my child to another man or something similar to that. But...I'd probably never ever give up my child like that but that's just me.
Interesting that this comes to the table even before having met the woman. You might want to check where you put the horse.To me the answer is simple. It is her problem, and she has to deal with it, not you. By staying out of it you avoid being the wallet on legs as you have little else to offer to the ex. You can meet him if she asks, perhaps you will get along. But any decision over the future of the child is hers until you are married.
If she ells you that she needs to pay, you can consider to support her, but do not start offering anything by yourself. Remember all money you spend on this is to be considered to be lost in case of a breakup.
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I think its prudent to look at the trajectory of this journey and consider all of these issues before hand.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong in considering different options to figure out what would work for you.
This is the internet age and internet dating has been happening for nearly 30 years. We wouldn't be the first to proclaim our love before ever meeting - I'm sure millions have done that and many of those have gone on to have successful relationships. But I'm old school and those three words would probably not happen till we meet and breath the same air and probably share other things.
Until you meet in person you are just pen pals. Don’t go claiming undying love until you’ve met and gotten to know her over a period of time.
I would probably like to take the guy out for a beer and make sure he knows who will be raising his daughter. I would like that same courtesy if it were me letting go of my child to another man or something similar to that. But...I'd probably never ever give up my child like that but that's just me.
You might never have a choice in the matter.
Say you divorce and your ex gets custody. She then meets someone and moves in with him, maybe in another city. The new guy will be living in the same household and playing happy families with your child.
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I remember talking to my ex fiance , took me two weeks to warm up to the idea of dating . Even then , we spoke on video daily for hours , deleted our dating apps , and non stop messaging. Took me a few months to get myself financially ready to make the trip.
Reading this , seems like something I experienced back then. It seems daft to think of all of these things , but when you think you found the one , you end up doing stupid stuff.
:ROFL: :thumbsup:
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I think its prudent to look at the trajectory of this journey and consider all of these issues before hand. This is the internet age and internet dating has been happening for nearly 30 years. We wouldn't be the first to proclaim our love before ever meeting - I'm sure millions have done that and many of those have gone on to have successful relationships. But I'm old school and those three words would probably not happen till we meet and breath the same air and probably share other things.
I would probably like to take the guy out for a beer and make sure he knows who will be raising his daughter. I would like that same courtesy if it were me letting go of my child to another man or something similar to that. But...I'd probably never ever give up my child like that but that's just me.
It is prudent to understand the possible pitfalls. But it is not prudent to decide by your wallet before having a responsibility. As for declaring love before meeting, I know how chemistry in real life can be different from that online.If the father is in her life, good idea to at least meet, but the initiative is not with the alien date, it is with the mother of the child.
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I agree with this.
He's not in Kansas anymore . . . A failure to pay child support has zero consequences in Ukraine, and certainly won't factor into any court case to remove a child from the country without consent.
I don't have any experience with the Ukrainian court system, I had heard
and read that they've improved recently but you probably know better than
I do.
I have a tiny bit with the Russian court system with Smiley Girl. I don't want
to share what happened with the peanut gallery. At the end of the day Smiley
Girls Dad signed off no money changed hands between us. Smiley Girls Dad
did begin paying a few Kopecks in child support (directly to Smiley Girl's bank
account) from that day forward.
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It is prudent to understand the possible pitfalls. But it is not prudent to decide by your wallet before having a responsibility. As for declaring love before meeting, I know how chemistry in real life can be different from that online.If the father is in her life, good idea to at least meet, but the initiative is not with the alien date, it is with the mother of the child.
+1
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One gal told me this story.
She had a good paying job and didn't need child support for her 13 year old son when she divorced.
So did not ask for and signed something saying she did not want any child support.
Her reason was that in Ukraine there was a law or rule that children must support their parents later in life if needed . . . if said parent had supported the child.
I know nothing about the validity of her claim . . . and didn't raise the issue with her that father had supported the child up to age 13.
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The law is that a child must support an aged parent. It doesn't matter if the parent failed to pay child support, although if a child challenged the obligation to support an absent parent, I suppose that would be a factor in any decision. The way to get around the law is to terminate parental rights before the parent is aged.
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The same in France.
And now, with the price for the medical centers for the elderly, a tsunami is on the way.
The average pension should be around €1200.
Public medical centers are full, and private ones cost between €2500 and €4000.So when all your assets have been swallowed by the private medical center, yours children have to answer.
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I don't understand how a child can be legally obligated to support somebody
that they didn't create and was born before they were born, but I know very
little about foreign constitutions.
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Didn't most people, at some time, support their families, including the elderly? Don't we owe an obligation to those who loved, provided for, and raised us?
The laws are not typically required, just as laws to not abuse your children are not required for the vast majority of parents.
On another note, elderly abuse is a very real thing now - financial, emotional, and/or physical abuse. Sometimes, all three.
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Didn't most people, at some time, support their families, including the elderly? Don't we owe an obligation to those who loved, provided for, and raised us?
Let me clarify regarding my comment, it was about being forced into supporting
a dead beat Dad or someone like that. If you have real parents then of course
you should help take care of them when they are elderly.
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Didn't most people, at some time, support their families, including the elderly? Don't we owe an obligation to those who loved, provided for, and raised us?
I agree. In western society, it seems this has become a burden when it should be an act of love.
On another note, elderly abuse is a very real thing now - financial, emotional, and/or physical abuse. Sometimes, all three.
I would say putting your elderly parents into care homes is a form of abuse, too.
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I would say putting your elderly parents into care homes is a form of abuse, too.
Which makes it even more interesting that with the pandemic people complain about being unable to visit their parents.... tht they never visited anyway.
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Didn't most people, at some time, support their families, including the elderly? Don't we owe an obligation to those who loved, provided for, and raised us?
Nursing home can be more expensive than many families can afford. As I understand it, parents would probably pay until their savings are exhausted. Then they are not allowed to take parents home for not paying. At that point parents would stay in nursing home with nothing being paid. As such, why would children pay and go bankrupt also?
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Nursing home can be more expensive than many families can afford. As I understand it, parents would probably pay until their savings are exhausted. Then they are not allowed to take parents home for not paying. At that point parents would stay in nursing home with nothing being paid. As such, why would children pay and go bankrupt also?
Unsure how in the US. In the Netherlands there is only a difference in level of service. Those who have savings get a better apartment and some extra amenities. Once savings run out, service is to standard level. Basics are paid by the health insurance.