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Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: wallm on January 14, 2017, 04:10:32 PM
5. Stay in an apartment NOT A HOTEL!: I could list a hundred reasons why,
but there are always a fairly large number of jack asses men who will ignore
this.

I stayed in apartments. Hated them. It seems Sleepy's should open up a boat load of stores over there. Every bed I slept on was hard. And all apartments had funky bathrooms with tubs that I would need a small ladder to climb into. And they all had water heaters from the early 1980s. One with flame that would go out periodically and I had to push an effing button a few dozen times to get it started. Don't get me started on the tiny bath towels that were a tiny bit softer than sand paper. The kitchen sucked too but I ate out every day. Perhaps I should pick better apartments next month when I am over there. And every apartment had a lock that was hard to find at night because they don't have effing lights in the hallways. And don't get me started on tiny washers with Russian words and no dryers. One evening I invited a lady over for a couple of hours to the apartment I stayed in. I forgot that I was drying my underwear and other clothes in the bathroom and she had to use the toilet. Awkward. I am still in touch with her. so I guess the sight of my red underwear didn't totally turn her off.  ;D

I stayed in apartments because the hotels are filthy expensive in Kiev. The Hyatt over there was 300/night. WTF? Now I know some other reasons why staying in apartments is better idea besides money but they do suck. At least those i stayed in.  ;)

I went with the flow because I was excited to be there meeting the ladies.  ;D

Going to Kharkiv, Odessa, Nikolaev next month. If you guys have recommendations for "good" apartments, please let me know.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 14, 2017, 05:19:28 PM
Repeating a few things I have said previously re hotels vs apartments.
I do not think apartment is preferable to a hotel--- specifically in initial stages.Established relationship situation is different --then the benefits of  apartment can be utilised.

As an example --you are there to meet people and to me--interacting with people generally is an important part of the whole experience. So--why hide away in an apartment? In a hotel there are other guests and the opportunity to meet people -- and yes-- some of them may be women! Specifically  breakfast where the opportunity to share a table arises!

Even when staying in an apartment  ( or some hotels) - i will go out to eat breakfast. I have zero interest in spending my time looking at the wall or TV and eating alone --it makes no sense.

Guys here will say -- girls will not go to hotel room - I say  bs. Yes--more privacy may be preferable -but that depends on the hotel and circumstances . I know some hotels where girls cannot wait to get there!!( not necessarily to  room ). But-the big point is this-- most guys are not going to be capable of getting a girl to a private room anywhere in early stages !!!!

The big advantage of the hotel is having some support on basic issues if it is needed. All your time is free to focus on what really matters. Hotel will do washing and ironing( at a pittance compared to western prices)

I advocate going out for breakfast( if hotel does not have others present),morning tea,lunch,afternoon tea,dinner,after dinner etc etc  .That may be to arranged meeting --or to see what you can make happen.

The other key issue--hotel offers flexibility for changes of plan . Usually you can pay one or two days ahead even when booked for a week -- and leave without a penalty. Apartments-chances are you will pay all the time in advance thus being locked in and reluctant to burn the time paid for.

On eating and tables  --do not go to a 2 person table or accept it if directed to it. Go to the largest table possible . Why-- the chances of being asked to share becomes higher ! Now -it does not matter if it is the hottest girl you have ever seen asking--or the ugliest-or even guys ! Getting chatting can lead to the most interesting experiences and people -- and introductions!

I have preferred hotels in Kyiv, Nikolaev and Odessa ( and apartments) .The cost will have seasonal variations and all are less than $!00 a night down to much less.

Ohh -- and one last point --my comments are current -- I was there 4 weeks ago - not a decade ago !
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Larry1 on January 14, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
Going to Kharkiv, Odessa, Nikolaev next month. If you guys have recommendations for "good" apartments, please let me know.

For apartments in Odessa I recommend this service. Ask for Olga. Her customer service is first rate.

http://letsgoodessa.com

This apartment overlooks the Potemkin Stairs and the Black Sea. I haven't stayed in it but a friend has and recommends it highly.

http://letsgoodessa.com/apartment_OD2-110.html
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 14, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
For apartments in Odessa I recommend this service. Ask for Olga. Her customer service is first rate.

http://letsgoodessa.com

This apartment overlooks the Potemkin Stairs and the Black Sea. I haven't stayed in it but a friend has and recommends it highly.

http://letsgoodessa.com/apartment_OD2-110.html

That particular apartment is not currently available ( I think) but she will have others-- generally very high standard in apartment itself and very well located.
If you are looking I know a few others she has that I would recommend.
From time to time -on forum also I think??
And yes--Olga is very helpful and easy to deal with.

Mostly all within easy short walk to cafes,restaurants,action !
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on January 14, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
For apartments in Odessa I recommend this service. Ask for Olga. Her customer service is first rate.

http://letsgoodessa.com (http://letsgoodessa.com)

This apartment overlooks the Potemkin Stairs and the Black Sea. I haven't stayed in it but a friend has and recommends it highly.

http://letsgoodessa.com/apartment_OD2-110.html (http://letsgoodessa.com/apartment_OD2-110.html)


Olga will also help find quality apartments in other cities as well.


Good Luck,
HDL
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: wallm on January 16, 2017, 03:50:49 PM
Do they help with arranging taxis?

Any recommendations for taxi to Nikolaev from Odessa? And to Kharkiv from Nikolaev/Odessa?

May be I should fly from ODS to HRK through KBP if snow is a problem for taxi from Nikolaev to Kharkiv. The old puddle jumpers UIA uses don't exactly make me feel safe. ;D
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 16, 2017, 05:05:46 PM



I reckon JayH has a point re the 'support' issue concerning Hotels ..for the first few hours...

After the first night - find a decent apartment ..

Many good ladies can feel like 'prostitutes' if invited back to your Hotel room ..

An apartment will have a kitchen - where you can prepare her a meal and no-one will 'judge' your date

I always booked an apartment with two bedrooms ...  then let nature take it's course... or Not ..



Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on January 16, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Time lapse - 'excuse'..


I reckon JayH has a point be the 'support' issue re Hotels ..for the first few hours...

after the first night - find a decent apartment ..

Most good ladies feel like 'prostitutes' if invited back to your Hotel room ..

An Apartment will have a kitchen - where you can prepare her a meal and no-one will 'judge' your date

I always booked an apartment with two bedrooms ...  then let nature take it's course... or Not ..

I agree.
Can't always find two bedrooms (in the American definition); but two 'sleeping areas' will suffice.
i.e. in FSU a two room apartment usually means there will be a sleeping area in what Americans would call the living room, and then an actual bedroom.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 16, 2017, 06:55:56 PM
Do they help with arranging taxis?

Any recommendations for taxi to Nikolaev from Odessa? And to Kharkiv from Nikolaev/Odessa?

May be I should fly from ODS to HRK through KBP if snow is a problem for taxi from Nikolaev to Kharkiv. The old puddle jumpers UIA uses don't exactly make me feel safe. ;D

Forget any idea of taxi from Kharkiv to Nikolaev -- you obviously have no idea how difficult a fair part of that trip is - and that is before dealing with winter.
Catch the train Kharkiv -Kyiv  then Kyiv -Odessa.
You can train it  Kyiv to Nikolaev --but I think not fast .
No reason not to fly either -it can be cheap.It will be cheapest (perhaps) to look at 2 separate tickets if you look at specials on UIA.
I have contact  for Odessa-Nikolaev taxi (the last guy who did not listen spent 10 times the price my guy will arrange).

I have to laugh a little--  driving is ok and you are worried about UIA !
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: wallm on January 16, 2017, 07:24:40 PM
I will fly the puddle jumpers. UIA blows. I am flying LOT out of JFK to KBP/ODS when I could take a direct flight with UIA to KBP.

True, I have no idea what road conditions are like between Kharkiv and Nikolaev. One of the girls I am planning to meet with told me to not even think about train from Kiev to Odessa/Nikolaev. Apparently, the whole train had no heat during the storm last week. She was on the train to Kiev. WTF! This is worse than 3rd world country. No train for me.  :P

So, give me the contact of your guy who can arrange to drive me from Odessa to Nikolaev and back.

Have a few laughs. I don't mind. I am new to that part of Ukraine.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 16, 2017, 07:34:18 PM
I will fly the puddle jumpers. UIA blows. I am flying LOT out of JFK to KBP/ODS when I could take a direct flight with UIA to KBP.

True, I have no idea what road conditions are like between Kharkiv and Nikolaev. One of the girls I am planning to meet with told me to not even think about train from Kiev to Odessa/Nikolaev. Apparently, the whole train had no heat during the storm last week. She was on the train to Kiev. WTF! This is worse than 3rd world country. No train for me.  :P

So, give me the contact of your guy who can arrange to drive me from Odessa to Nikolaev and back.

Have a few laughs. I don't mind. I am new to that part of Ukraine.
That would have been Nikolaev train I think. Train to Odessa is ok.
There is great variation in trains -high speed and new from Kharkiv to Kyiv.
You could bus it -- coaches ala western style. I got $12 airfare once-Kyiv -Odessa.
Ukraine is a country of great contrasts -parts are 3rd world.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on January 17, 2017, 10:13:45 AM


I reckon JayH has a point re the 'support' issue concerning Hotels ..for the first few hours...

After the first night - find a decent apartment ..

Many good ladies can feel like 'prostitutes' if invited back to your Hotel room ..

An apartment will have a kitchen - where you can prepare her a meal and no-one will 'judge' your date

I always booked an apartment with two bedrooms ...  then let nature take it's course... or Not ..

There are a hundred reasons to pick an apartment over a hotel. Moby correctly
states the prostitute argument. I'll add a few more.

If you wake up hungry at 3:00 am because of jetlag you can make yourself
a sandwich in your underwear. In a hotel you would have to get dressed, then
go out tromping around in the snow or whatever the elements and good luck
finding something open at 3:00 am.

You can pack less clothes. If you get an apartment with a washer then you can
wash your clothes. You don't need to pack enough clothes for each day. The
instructions are in Russian? boo-hoo-hoo! You can't operate google translate?

If you meet an FSUW she will happily visit you in an apartment. You can invite
her and her friends over and entertain people. 

But the biggest reason, the best argument which automatically trumps all the
lame arguments of getting a hotel is that.....................

You can play house in an apartment.
If you get an apartment there is a very good chance that you will have an FSUW
walking around in her underwear doing various domestic type things. The odds
of an FSUW doing that in a hotel goes down by 90%. 

You might get to see an FSUW in her underwear in a hotel room, but she isn't
going to hang out with you in a hotel room during the day. In a hotel room she
isn't going to strip down to her underwear, seat you at the kitchen table and then
bend over to look in the bottom drawer for a kettle to make tea for you. She isn't
going to invite a couple of her friends over to a hotel room to meet you.

An apartment is far more like real life than a hotel room. You won't have to eat
100% of your meals in a restaurant. You can make your favorite recipe for a nice
girl. She can make her favorite recipe for you!

It's no contest, a good apartment is better than a good hotel. There is no chance
of playing house in a hotel room. My argument wins and any contrary arguments
lose. The end.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb01ueNyyCE

Once you've found an FSUW to visit again then she can find an apartment for you
for even less money, and can bounce up and down on the bed to make sure it works
properly. You won't have room in your suitcase for clothes because you will be
bringing stuff/presents.

Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Darth_Budda on January 17, 2017, 07:31:08 PM
Get the Apartment with a Hot Tub...   :clapping:
 
Just do it,,,,

I noticed a  lot of the cool rooms are not on the big travel sites,,,  You have to go to the hotel  Website...

Premier Rus, Has an " Apartment " on the top floor..

I found it a good stop for a day or two... before heading to the train station...

The view from the room is great...you can almost watch the football games at the stadium next door... 


I think one,, should compare hotel prices vs. apartments... also factor in the time frame...

I like spending a day or two at a hotel,, get some room service...  be lazy....

Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: wallm on January 17, 2017, 08:12:08 PM
You can play house in an apartment.

True. ;D

I friggin hate these apartments. At least the two I stayed in. I guess I have to grin and bear with it for a few days. I don't worry about kitchen, making food, etc. I do intermittent fasting and do not eat outside of 12 PM - 9 PM which conveniently falls within time frame I might be having lunch/dinner with the ladies. ;) So, no cooking. I just wish the beds are comfy and the bathrooms offer better tubs, hot water, etc. Hoping for better experience in Odessa, Nikolaev than I had in Kiev.

P.S: if anyone is looking to get healthy this new year, try intermittent fasting. I do it everyday. No eating outside of of 12 PM - 9 PM. Drink water, may be coffee. Stay under your BMR. HIIT Cardio and Strength training. I do not look or feel like I am 52.  :D
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 18, 2017, 12:45:01 AM
There are a hundred reasons to pick an apartment over a hotel. Moby correctly
states the prostitute argument. I'll add a few more.
That old prostitute argument really is a throwback to another era
If you wake up hungry at 3:00 am because of jetlag you can make yourself
a sandwich in your underwear. In a hotel you would have to get dressed, then
go out tromping around in the snow or whatever the elements and good luck
finding something open at 3:00 am.
It depends where you are -- so really a nonsense comment eg hotel may have own cafe and restaurant -plus room service potential.
You can pack less clothes. If you get an apartment with a washer then you can
wash your clothes. You don't need to pack enough clothes for each day. The
instructions are in Russian? boo-hoo-hoo! You can't operate google translate?
The hotel will do laundry and IRONING -all at little cost

If you meet an FSUW she will happily visit you in an apartment. You can invite
her and her friends over and entertain people. 

Reality is-- you have as much chance ( in fact more I say) of getting a girl to your room in a hotel as anywhere. EG you may already be in restaurant etc

But the biggest reason, the best argument which automatically trumps all the
lame arguments of getting a hotel is that.....................

You can play house in an apartment.
If you get an apartment there is a very good chance that you will have an FSUW
walking around in her underwear doing various domestic type things. The odds
of an FSUW doing that in a hotel goes down by 90%. 
Sure-- little domestic chores to do-- so an obviously self fulfilling prophecy!!

You might get to see an FSUW in her underwear in a hotel room, but she isn't
going to hang out with you in a hotel room during the day.
Nonsense
 In a hotel room she isn't going to strip down to her underwear, seat you at the kitchen table and then
bend over to look in the bottom drawer for a kettle to make tea for you.
Nonsense
She isn't going to invite a couple of her friends over to a hotel room to meet you.
More nonsense

An apartment is far more like real life than a hotel room. You won't have to eat
100% of your meals in a restaurant. You can make your favorite recipe for a nice
girl. She can make her favorite recipe for you!
Yeah--invite her to come and cook and clean at first meeting ! that'll work !
It's no contest, a good apartment is better than a good hotel. There is no chance
of playing house in a hotel room. My argument wins and any contrary arguments
lose. The end.  ;D

Nope-- you have made zero case . All your arguments apply to ongoing and more established relationship---  not a first meeting deal at all.That is the whole point of what i have said-  once established relationship different issues apply.



Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on January 18, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
Sorry Jay . . . I disagree with you on all points.

And I agree with Big Bill on all points.  Have been there, done it, many times.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on January 18, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
If you wake up hungry at 3:00 am because of jetlag you can make yourself
a sandwich in your underwear. In a hotel you would have to get dressed, then
go out tromping around in the snow or whatever the elements and good luck
finding something open at 3:00 am.


Jay: It depends where you are -- so really a nonsense comment eg hotel
 may have own cafe and restaurant -plus room service potential.


Very few hotel cafe's or any cafe's are open at 3:00 am. You still have to get dressed,
and wash the sleep off your face and wear clothes. Room service is rarely in service
at 3:00 am.


You can pack less clothes. If you get an apartment with a washer then you can
wash your clothes. You don't need to pack enough clothes for each day. The
instructions are in Russian? boo-hoo-hoo! You can't operate google translate?
The hotel will do laundry and IRONING -all at little cost

If you meet an FSUW she will happily visit you in an apartment. You can invite
her and her friends over and entertain people. 


Jay: Reality is-- you have as much chance ( in fact more I say) of getting a girl to your room in a hotel as anywhere. EG you may already be in restaurant etc


I've invited many a gal to come to my pad so that I could cook something for her.
Most guys have a goto meal that they can prepare that tastes at least half
good. Then she is inside the apartment. If she is even remotely a keeper then her
feminine genes will kick in and you have exactly the situation that I described.



But the biggest reason, the best argument which automatically trumps all the
lame arguments of getting a hotel is that.....................

You can play house in an apartment.
If you get an apartment there is a very good chance that you will have an FSUW
walking around in her underwear doing various domestic type things. The odds
of an FSUW doing that in a hotel goes down by 90%. 


Jay: Sure-- little domestic chores to do-- so an obviously self fulfilling prophecy!!


You might get to see an FSUW in her underwear in a hotel room, but she isn't
going to hang out with you in a hotel room during the day.


Jay: Nonsense


In a hotel room she isn't going to strip down to her underwear, seat you at the kitchen table and then
bend over to look in the bottom drawer for a kettle to make tea for you.


Jay: Nonsense
It's pretty rare that an FSUW will bring a hotplate, kettle and dishes to
a hotel room. It's really common for them to do this in an apartment

She isn't going to invite a couple of her friends over to a hotel room to meet you.

Jay: More nonsense

There is nothing to do in a hotel room except sleep or f#ck. In an apartment you can
cut up some cheese and crackers open a bottle of wine and turn on some music. Now
you have a party or social gathering. Trying to accomplish the same situation in a
restaurant is silly. A good girl and her friends won't let you buy them stuff at a
restaurant. They will bring a cake or something else when they arrive at your
apartment. I've only done this a zillion times.

An apartment is far more like real life than a hotel room. You won't have to eat
100% of your meals in a restaurant. You can make your favorite recipe for a nice
girl. She can make her favorite recipe for you!

Jay Yeah--invite her to come and cook and clean at first meeting! that'll work!


You cook the first time, if you two are a good match with chemistry her
instincts will take over. Even if she can barely boil eggs without setting off the
smoke alarm.

It's no contest, a good apartment is better than a good hotel. There is no chance
of playing house in a hotel room. My argument wins and any contrary arguments
lose. The end.  ;D


Jay: Nope-- you have made zero case . All your arguments apply to ongoing and more established relationship---  not a first meeting deal at all.That is the whole point of what i have said-  once established relationship different issues apply.

All established relationships started with a first meeting or date. So if your goal is to have
nothing but first meetings then a hotel could lend itself to that, but an apartment would
still be better.

I played house on many of my first visit trips because I had an apartment.

When you are a visit many guy, you have a lot of first dates. You meet a girl and decide
if you have mutual chemistry etc. If you find an exceptional girl you proceed to a second
date etc. Once you find a keeper, you stop the other dates and spend more time with her.
The goal is move a relationship forward. Having an apartment is far better to do this. 
You should always be optimistic and set yourself up for success.

There is no advantage to a hotel. They cost more, they are less comfortable, they
are less convenient and you can't play house.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on January 18, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
Again, Big Bill is correct on all counts.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 18, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
You forgot:

Do you wanna .........?

No - what I did forget is probably the most obvious one - "Vy gavaritsya pa-Angliiski?" (Do you speak English?).  :D
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 18, 2017, 09:40:46 PM
I stayed in apartments. Hated them. It seems Sleepy's should open up a boat load of stores over there. Every bed I slept on was hard. And all apartments had funky bathrooms with tubs that I would need a small ladder to climb into. And they all had water heaters from the early 1980s. One with flame that would go out periodically and I had to push an effing button a few dozen times to get it started. Don't get me started on the tiny bath towels that were a tiny bit softer than sand paper. The kitchen sucked too but I ate out every day. Perhaps I should pick better apartments next month when I am over there. And every apartment had a lock that was hard to find at night because they don't have effing lights in the hallways. And don't get me started on tiny washers with Russian words and no dryers. One evening I invited a lady over for a couple of hours to the apartment I stayed in. I forgot that I was drying my underwear and other clothes in the bathroom and she had to use the toilet. Awkward. I am still in touch with her. so I guess the sight of my red underwear didn't totally turn her off.  ;D

I stayed in apartments because the hotels are filthy expensive in Kiev. The Hyatt over there was 300/night. WTF? Now I know some other reasons why staying in apartments is better idea besides money but they do suck. At least those i stayed in.  ;)

Although I've stayed in hotels in a few places in Russia and Ukraine, I've stayed in apartments in several other cities and I've NEVER encountered one like you describe.  Of course I know they exist - but, if they're rented out to tourists, I imagine that the cost would be about $10-20 a night!  The closest I've come to what you describe is the budget hotel I used on my first visit to Moscow (no kitchen, of course, but VERY basic).  Did you not see photos of these places before you arrived?

I'm quite happy to recommend the letting agencies that I used on my visits.  Anything that is described as "Western style" will have appliances (and toilet-paper and towels) of the sort that you would have at home.  As an example, I rented this apartment in Kyiv:

http://www.kievhotelservice.com/kievapartments.html (the second one down)

The price back then was rather more than it is now.  :o

As for finding the door locks in the dark because the hall lights were broken - carry a torch, or use the flashlight incorporated into the design of most smartphones.  Mine is strong enough to light up a room!
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 19, 2017, 12:31:39 AM
[quote author=JayH link=topic=14615.msg454522#msg454522 date=148

Guys here will say -- girls will not go to hotel room - I say  bs.



Shame you spoil some reasonable points by suggesting FACTUAL advice is 'bs' ...  Makes me wonder if JayH has ever actually tried to bring a FSUW back to his hotel room....







Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on January 19, 2017, 10:51:45 AM
I have even experienced that several gals would not even go into lobby of hotel with me to pick up copy of Kyiv Post.  They would insist on waiting out on  the street; and even there they told me they were 'glared at' by the beefy door guards.

But, on the other hand . . . a couple of very high level professional gals (not prostitutes) who had traveled a lot, marched right up to reception desk, asked for key to my room and led the way up . . . to the more or less astonished look from reception gals.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 19, 2017, 02:16:25 PM
I have even experienced that several gals would not even go into lobby of hotel with me to pick up copy of Kyiv Post.  They would insist on waiting out on  the street; and even there they told me they were 'glared at' by the beefy door guards.

But, on the other hand . . . a couple of very high level professional gals (not prostitutes) who had traveled a lot, marched right up to reception desk, asked for key to my room and led the way up . . . to the more or less astonished look from reception gals.

Are you sure ML? Love the way the post has been edited thereafter ;D

Well, the second girl I met would not come into hotel, front steps were the most for her, but that was Nikolaev, so small city, town really quite rural. Pretty sure hotel had no burly doormen.

First girl I paid for a room in the hotel for several days but they refused her booking in, so I had to do it, so probably didn't help my cause. That was in Kiev though, big hotel so they no doubt get many visitors of all sorts with too many people to follow what or who they are or might think they are.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: GQBlues on January 19, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
The problems many of you newbs faces today is having to decipher all the *dos and don't*, The *remembers this and that*....

BUNK!

I love staying in hotels. Daily clean sheets/bathrooms, room services, convenient places to eat, concierges, 24-hr accessibility. Ease of check out check-ins. If in Russia and you need to register your visa...it's right there in the lobby. Get it done the minute you check in. They'll even bring your passport back to your room. Security.

 With all the anxiety newbs faces on their first trip, why add an unnecessary angst getting acquainted with apartments that (at least 5-10 years ago) are a far cry than most of you are accustomed to. Putting up with urine-reeking elevators smaller than your pantry. Drafty. Sketchy locations, etc...

Throughout the years in these boards, think of how many cases of trouble that had befallen guys using apartments vs. hotels their first trip. From robbery, mugging, scams, etc...a 10:1 ratio is being *optimistic*.

The costs aren't (weren't) that much different either. I remember Moscow Rick's apartments were generally at the same price range Tverskaya-Marriot was, without the creature comfort appointments Marriot offered.

Now, it may well have been the fact the majority of the gals I came to meet have travelled, exposed to metropolitan lifestyle, etc..but none showed apprehension of this urban legendary notion they can't be seen entering hotel lobbies. As though if they entered apartments occupied by foreigners that somehow this silly myth disappears.

Be at your most comfortable state on your trips. especially the first one. So when you do meet the gal/s, you're at your confident best!
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 19, 2017, 03:01:22 PM



There is no advantage to a hotel. They cost more, they are less comfortable, they
are less convenient and you can't play house.
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Again -debatable conclusions.
Cost more --not necessarily so
Less comfortable -  hardly in the physical sense -if you mean in the mind -only maybe
Less convenient -- generally not true.Hotels tend to be at the epicentre
Can't play house --- mmmm -- that is not correct either. If you mean chores - they can still be done in a hotel-- and the part that matters-- can happen anywhere

You are attempting to make a conclusive argument  to try and 'win" here.There is more than one way to do things - and some make life easier and are more preferable.

I have even experienced that several gals would not even go into lobby of hotel with me to pick up copy of Kyiv Post.  They would insist on waiting out on  the street; and even there they told me they were 'glared at' by the beefy door guards.

But, on the other hand . . . a couple of very high level professional gals (not prostitutes) who had traveled a lot, marched right up to reception desk, asked for key to my room and led the way up . . . to the more or less astonished look from reception gals.

Sheesh ML-=- I am loathe to ask how long ago all that was !
In another era there were floor keepers ( discussed previously on forum) that held room keys and supervised who was in the room etc  . I have seen them some years ago but not for a very long time now.Your comments make me think of that era.
That leads me to a major point -- Ukrainians are travelling and using hotels a significant amount of time more these days -- so going to or being around a hotel does not have the perceived stigma it may once have had.
You note that professional ladies had no such reservation about hotels- that fits my last sentence observation.
As for doormen etc -- they know their place in the scheme of things and have NEVER seen or heard of any challenge to any of my guests.In fact -- I try to go out of my way to be pleasant to them ( yes & tip) at hotels I stay at regularly- with a very positive result.
Very few smaller hotels & larger ones have doormen --but may have a security guy in the area.Especially so after hours -- but even then --it is not their role to be editing "guests".

Above all & repeating-- most guys are incapable of getting a girl to accept an invitation prematurely to private space- be that a hotel or an apartment.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2017, 03:24:07 PM

One problem with apartments is that they aren't cleaned up as well as hotels. I don't know how women do it but they have an eye for things. They can spot another woman's strand of hair on the floor. One girl picked up a strand of hair and showed me. I didn't have any woman in the apartment before her but there's always going to be suspicion if they find hair...or panties.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Darth_Budda on January 19, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
Okay,,

So am I the lastest guy who married a Ukrainian girl?
From these forums?

So I will give one Real life recent prospective..

She liked the premiere Rus.. Apartment,, great view... Center of town.. 80 or 90 USD a night... Still cheap..

But we stayed in her apartment or her parents house.. most of my trip...

We played house at her place...

With a large hotel room, with a nice hot tube.. We found it large enough that it felt normal to get room service...

In small rooms,,, it sucks finding places to put the food,, so just go out...

If the girl likes you... I don't see why she would not stay in a hotel or an apartment...

The point is you should talk to her,, make plans together...

Gonna get the wife on here..
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 19, 2017, 09:19:02 PM
[quote author=JayH link=topic=14615.msg454522#msg454522 date=148

Guys here will say -- girls will not go to hotel room - I say  bs.



Shame you spoil some reasonable points by suggesting FACTUAL advice is 'bs' ...  Makes me wonder if JayH has ever actually tried to bring a FSUW back to his hotel room....

The comments make me wonder if any of you lot have !

Now I could add more  in response -- like-- perhaps you guys should not have invited girls the doormen recognise ! ;D

Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 21, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
I love staying in hotels. Daily clean sheets/bathrooms, room services, convenient places to eat, concierges, 24-hr accessibility. Ease of check out check-ins. If in Russia and you need to register your visa...it's right there in the lobby. Get it done the minute you check in. They'll even bring your passport back to your room. Security.

Granted those are all items which make life easier, and I would certainly agree if it's your first stop in the FSU, or if you're only staying a day or two in one place before moving on.  However, much of that list applies to apartments as well.  I would disagree somewhat on the "ease of check out check-ins" bit - whilst generally positive, my experience varied from 30 seconds all up, and couldn't be more helpful, to being totally ignored for 10 minutes while a bunch of Russians literally pushed me out of the way so that they could get to the counter and harangue the receptionists.

I know it's only one thing, but why the emphasis on daily clean sheets?  Do you change them every day at home?  In any case, there's nothing to stop you changing the sheets every day in an apartment if you so desire.  I can strip and remake a bed in five minutes, and I'm sure that you can too.  Also, some hotels have little cards in the rooms stating that they prefer not to change them every day because of trying to conserve water, or other concerns for the environment (yeah, I know - the FSU concerned for the environment!), although they will if you ask them to.

With all the anxiety newbs faces on their first trip, why add an unnecessary angst getting acquainted with apartments that (at least 5-10 years ago) are a far cry than most of you are accustomed to. Putting up with urine-reeking elevators smaller than your pantry. Drafty. Sketchy locations, etc...

Again, whilst I've experienced the tiny elevators where you couldn't even fit a cat, let alone swing one, all the apartments that I stayed in on both my trips were right up to the standards of anything I would have expected to rent in my own country - even if the stairwells were occasionally out of the dark ages (or, in one case, still in them!).  All beautifully roomy, all (except one) with the stereotypical high stud rooms, and all with perfectly nice bathrooms.  Admittedly a hand-held shower spray takes a bit of getting used to if you're accustomed to a fixed shower head, but men in this venture should surely have enough self-confidence to treat their whole trip as an adventure.  If they can't even handle talking to an apartment manager then they shouldn't be looking for a wife from the FSU.

Throughout the years in these boards, think of how many cases of trouble that had befallen guys using apartments vs. hotels their first trip. From robbery, mugging, scams, etc...a 10:1 ratio is being *optimistic*.

Again, whilst not disagreeing that this happens, you must surely appreciate that this kind of thing is actually very rare when you consider the number of men who have travelled to the FSU without incidents of any kind.  I prefer to think that my own experience, with everyone going out of their way to be helpful, is more representative.  The only slight negative I can recall is being asked to hurry up and get out of my apartment in St Petersburg because the next renter was waiting outside the door to move in!

The costs aren't (weren't) that much different either. I remember Moscow Rick's apartments were generally at the same price range Tverskaya-Marriot was, without the creature comfort appointments Marriot offered.

I can't comment on Moscow, because I only used it for a day or three at a time so only stayed in hotels, but other cities where I stayed all had apartments that were much cheaper than the equivalent level of hotel.  This included one on my first trip where the lady I was visiting arranged for me to rent an apartment belonging to a friend who was travelling overseas at the time - total cost 3500 RUR for a week (equivalent then to about $US120).

This is one REAL bonus that you can't get with hotels - although it probably applies only to WOVOs, if the woman you're visiting likes you enough BEFORE you even get there, she will work really hard to help in ways like this.  An upside of this, too, is that the hundreds of dollars you save on accommodation can be spent on other things.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 21, 2017, 07:32:37 PM
AK  --Russians queuing --mm .It does not take many trips to get past that. !!!!

On the apartments being cheaper than hotel -I dispute that.Guys keep stating that as a fact-- it is simply not correct.It is possible to find cheaper -if for a much longer term etc. As a rule-- much of the same.
Before I hear it-- I am talking of similar standard.

A short story ( not a TR a IR (Incident Report !!  :)--are you reading 2T !!) -- recently ( as in last year) I had booked an apartment through a well known website that is often recommended on this forum ( fwiw not Odessa). I had advised a precise arrival time and had email confirmation etc .
In this case -- I knew the area very well -- even having been in the building previously -- so had no advance nervousness of heading into the unknown or unfamiliar.
Earlier in the day I had sent sms reconfirming eta.
So--I arrive ( to the minute!) and call the number previously advised -- no answer.
Over the next 30 minutes I keep trying --eventually phone is answered -- by a non English speaking lady !
I get the gist of what she is telling me-- I incorrectly think she is telling me to come to the office --she was in fact telling me to go to another address.
So --now I go to my first fall back position -- I send sms in Russian ( I can do 2 way translation on phone ) asking the address.
So --off I go to find new address. Now for those of you here who do understand how difficult that can actually be -- you will have the picture.
Note --I am using 2 GPS's plus phone to navigate .I had to start computer to get plan of area! ( I have modem and local internet access in advance)
After spending 30 plus minutes within a couple of hundred metres  and still not succeeding -- I relented and called my help! I knew she was at work and was trying not to interrupt her .( she knows I can mostly manage and was waiting for sms to say all was ok and I had arrived)
Because I had misunderstood the redirection on phone it took some time to sort out!!
The crux of all this- the apartment I had booked ( & paid plenty deposit)was occupied for the next 2 days and they had a different apartment  for me for a couple of days and then move !
By the time I walked in the door it was 2 1/2 hours after my original on time eta !
Now- take note -this was after flying from Australia  and apart from catnap while flying -- approaching 48 hours since I started my journey !
My immediate plan had been to shower,shave and get a few hours sleep ,buy some flowers  and collect my lady when she finished work.

Aggravating this delay --I was within a couple of 100 meters of a Hotel I know well and like a lot.For the record -- that hotel was/is cheaper than the apartment --plus it has a terrific breakfast that caters for all tastes included in its price !

Ok -- so I am in the apartment -- first thing I note is balcony that can be far too easily accessed for my liking . So that night I put my own security measures in place -- and they were tested! Once I heard someone trying to get in --there was no long or restfull sleep.

In summary -- I was in a city and area I know well and comfortable in the situation -although a little annoyed - it is not so unusual to have drama finding apartments and getting access. I also had help available if needed -- and a hotel I would have checked in to if the drama had continued much longer that day.

What it did do was interrupt my plans for the day and evening - not the end of the world -- but it was frustrating at the time.

Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 22, 2017, 08:32:32 AM
The comments make me wonder if any of you lot have !


Let me see :

St Petersburg - 1st date - we had chatted on line - I was on biz there and we had agreed to meet in that city - away from her city  - happy to come up to the room - but said, "shame you didn't have an apartment".. I would have felt comfortable staying the night..  I made sure I booked an apartment, next time ..  She stayed..

Novorossiysk - 1st meeting for real - booked into a Hotel at her suggestion - things worked out rsther better than we thought and I suggested she might like to snog my face off in my hotel room .. to which she replied " I'm a respectable business woman in this area and I book conference rooms here ... you should have booked an apartment on reflection .."

She came to me in CY and I booked an apartment 25 km from the city, next time, in Russia ... to avoid such 'frustrating moments'

Krasnoyarsk: ( she had already met me in in Cyprus - so a second 'date' ) My eventual Wife ... she advised me to "book an apartment  - as I live in the city and frankly she didn't want to be subject to the gaze of 'knowing' Door-men / chamber maids .."  She had a a place of her own - but had a 16 year old son ... who stayed with her  ex / Mum ... But we wanted privacy



Haven't some 'experts' heard of serviced apartments  ' ?   They even have the beds changed and the rooms cleaned regularly .. :)

YES, for a newb... a Hotel is better - for the first day or so ... then get a decent apartment .. if you really want privacy..  If you're the sort that doesn't learn quick or doesn't want to leave the hotel to try out restaurants and see the place you've come all that way to visit ... Sure - stick to hotels ..


So, JayH ... I'm basing my advice on "situations best avoided next time" .. What's your 'excuse' ..?




 
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: BillyB on January 22, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Most of the crime that happens with apartments is because a guy gets involved with the wrong girl. She gets him horny which makes him drop his pants. She tells he to go take a quick shower. He comes back naked and she's gone with pants and a few other items.

One guy brought his girl to the apartment and she answered a knock on the door. A few guys beat him to near death. When he came to, the guys and girl were gone.

It seems men fail to develop a friendship with the ladies before visiting through phone or Skype and if they do communicate with ladies first, certain men are a poor judge of character.

Once rented an apartment and there were a stack of papers near the TV that the cleaning lady forgot to clean up. It was a printout from a sex forum talking about where to get the best sluts in Kiev.

I've used mostly apartments in my travels to the FSU but occasionally will book a hotel.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on January 22, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
Once rented an apartment and there were a stack of papers near the TV that the cleaning lady forgot to clean up. It was a printout from a sex forum talking about where to get the best sluts in Kyiv.

So how long did it take to get there from your apartment?
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 22, 2017, 05:00:18 PM
AK  --Russians queuing --mm .It does not take many trips to get past that. !!!!

No - they weren't queueing.  I was in a queue of one!

On the apartments being cheaper than hotel -I dispute that.Guys keep stating that as a fact-- it is simply not correct.It is possible to find cheaper -if for a much longer term etc. As a rule-- much of the same.
Before I hear it-- I am talking of similar standard.

You keep saying this, but I will continue to disagree, BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCE.  I don't need to stay somewhere like the Marriott, but on both my trips (2006 and 2010) I was unable to find hotel rooms of the standard I was after for under $125, yet I had no trouble finding apartments of an equivalent standard for $75 or less.  If you could have found a room in a four-star hotel in a large provincial city for $120 a week (what I paid for my apartment) I would have congratulated you.  Quite simply, they didn't exist then (although I won't comment on the current costs).  Moscow prices on my first trip were insane - four-star hotels at $400+ a night; even recommended three-star accommodation cost at least $250.

Again, I stress that this was MY experience - others will obviously differ.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 22, 2017, 05:20:59 PM

You keep saying this, but I will continue to disagree, BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCE.  standard for $75 or less.  If you could have found a room in a four-star hotel in a large provincial city for $120 a week (what I paid for my apartment) I would have congratulated you. Quite simply, they didn't exist then (although I won't comment on the current costs).  Moscow prices on my first trip were insane - four-star hotels at $400+ a night; even recommended three-star accommodation cost at least $250.

Again, I stress that this was MY experience - others will obviously differ.

No one is disputing your experience--  my comments are directed at all that keep saying apartments are cheaper --it is misleading advice  .eg  the guy recently that visited western Ukraine    and paid well over the odds for the apartment .
( btw --  that guy had zero chance of ever playing house with that lady !)

"a room in a four-star hotel in a large provincial city for $120 a week"

I could book  a hotel fitting that description today  for just a few dollars more($127 in fact) than that target. That is today!


The numbers in big cities like Moscow and Kyiv  will be different -no question of that -- but the same principles apply.

In more recent times I have seen more apartment/hotels appearing   .Basically less complicated apartments with a receptionist. Often listed as both apartment and hotel!!
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: wallm on January 22, 2017, 06:47:54 PM
 :arguing:
 :arguing:

Is booking.com the authoritative resource for finding apartments that don't have cement benches for beds?

Did I tell all you apartment lovers that those I stayed in sucked? I am not expecting Ritz which I had stayed in sometime ago. I am expecting at least Extended Stay level. Perhaps I picked the wrong ones to stay in Kiev. My pet peeves....cement beds, 1970s bathrooms. I don't give a *&^% about kitchens. I like to eat out and try various cuisines when I am in foreign country. I am cooking nothing.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: southernX on January 22, 2017, 07:03:05 PM
We have stayed in apartments , usualy  for a month at atime

for agood quality one they are imo , much better to relax in and cost is less ioe

travel time for us from oz to kiev /kharkiv is usually less than 21 hours ....... total
direct flights to dubai , then into either of the citys above ... 

SX
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 22, 2017, 07:24:43 PM
:arguing:
 :arguing:

Is booking.com the authoritative resource for finding apartments that don't have cement benches for beds?

Did I tell all you apartment lovers that those I stayed in sucked? I am not expecting Ritz which I had stayed in sometime ago. I am expecting at least Extended Stay level. Perhaps I picked the wrong ones to stay in Kiev. My pet peeves....cement beds, 1970s bathrooms. I don't give a *&^% about kitchens. I like to eat out and try various cuisines when I am in foreign country. I am cooking nothing.

So--Nikolaev ,Odessa,Kyiv? Approx when?

Earlier in thread you were given link for Odessa -use it ! If  you want opinion on specific apartment there--ask-someone may know it .
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: wallm on January 22, 2017, 07:43:54 PM
Kiev, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kharkiv in mid-Feb to 1st week of March.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: southernX on January 22, 2017, 09:37:10 PM
wallm , my wife and family usually choose /negotiate on the apartments there

we have had mostly good ones , newly renovated with good kitchens and bathrooms , etc , top places at low rates for extended stays

however there are some doosies as well , use a local if possible that you know or trust if your by yourself

SX
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: GQBlues on January 22, 2017, 10:52:32 PM
Granted those are all items which make life easier, and I would certainly agree if it's your first stop in the FSU, or if you're only staying a day or two in one place before moving on.  However, much of that list applies to apartments as well.  I would disagree somewhat on the "ease of check out check-ins" bit - whilst generally positive, my experience varied from 30 seconds all up, and couldn't be more helpful, to being totally ignored for 10 minutes while a bunch of Russians literally pushed me out of the way so that they could get to the counter and harangue the receptionists.

I know it's only one thing, but why the emphasis on daily clean sheets?  Do you change them every day at home?  In any case, there's nothing to stop you changing the sheets every day in an apartment if you so desire.  I can strip and remake a bed in five minutes, and I'm sure that you can too.  Also, some hotels have little cards in the rooms stating that they prefer not to change them every day because of trying to conserve water, or other concerns for the environment (yeah, I know - the FSU concerned for the environment!), although they will if you ask them to.

Again, whilst I've experienced the tiny elevators where you couldn't even fit a cat, let alone swing one, all the apartments that I stayed in on both my trips were right up to the standards of anything I would have expected to rent in my own country - even if the stairwells were occasionally out of the dark ages (or, in one case, still in them!).  All beautifully roomy, all (except one) with the stereotypical high stud rooms, and all with perfectly nice bathrooms.  Admittedly a hand-held shower spray takes a bit of getting used to if you're accustomed to a fixed shower head, but men in this venture should surely have enough self-confidence to treat their whole trip as an adventure.  If they can't even handle talking to an apartment manager then they shouldn't be looking for a wife from the FSU.

Again, whilst not disagreeing that this happens, you must surely appreciate that this kind of thing is actually very rare when you consider the number of men who have travelled to the FSU without incidents of any kind.  I prefer to think that my own experience, with everyone going out of their way to be helpful, is more representative.  The only slight negative I can recall is being asked to hurry up and get out of my apartment in St Petersburg because the next renter was waiting outside the door to move in!

I can't comment on Moscow, because I only used it for a day or three at a time so only stayed in hotels, but other cities where I stayed all had apartments that were much cheaper than the equivalent level of hotel.  This included one on my first trip where the lady I was visiting arranged for me to rent an apartment belonging to a friend who was travelling overseas at the time - total cost 3500 RUR for a week (equivalent then to about $US120).

This is one REAL bonus that you can't get with hotels - although it probably applies only to WOVOs, if the woman you're visiting likes you enough BEFORE you even get there, she will work really hard to help in ways like this.  An upside of this, too, is that the hundreds of dollars you save on accommodation can be spent on other things.

LMAO! You basically agreed with me, yet offered counter points of disagreement in the same breath.

I gotcha!

Do folks in your company notice times like this with you as strangely mystifying?
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 23, 2017, 12:39:13 AM


 With all the anxiety newbs faces on their first trip, why add an unnecessary angst getting acquainted with apartments that (at least 5-10 years ago) are a far cry than most of you are accustomed to. Putting up with urine-reeking elevators smaller than your pantry. Drafty. Sketchy locations, etc...



I have come back to this post for a reason -- GQ very correctly qualifies his "opinion" of his experiences by putting a time on it.
All to often those that were in a search in another era fail to point that out.So thankyou.

While I have found myself in apartments as GQ describes as late as last year -there is another side of that coin.
The large majority of apartments I have stayed have been up to near enough my home -or better standard.Renovating is booming in Ukraine and many apartments are fully up to western standards.That rarely applies to the common areas of older buildings where Ukraine is still struggling with laws in that area.
For 2T - an incident report not a TR !! My Ukrainian ex  owned her apartment and renovated it-- to a full on 5 star tasteful western quality .It was in a block with many other apartments so the common areas -well-what can I say.
That standard applies in quite a few owner occupied apartments I have seen  and in some rentals also.
 There are also new developments of apartment blocks with good quality apartments available to rent.
Ukraine is changing in every way -these a just a few examples.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 23, 2017, 06:44:09 AM
Above all & repeating-- most guys are incapable of getting a girl to accept an invitation prematurely to private space- be that a hotel or an apartment.

JayH, repeating bollox doesn't make it 'fact'..

There are two ways of looking at reality..

1/ Lady's perspective..  there's a 'connection' - but I don't want knowing looks or to be challenged by security

2/ Guy's perspective... there's a 'connection' and both parties may wish to engage in games for two ... he wants the lady to be relaxed

Now, I REALLY don't know if you've reached that moment - when privacy is required... but you might like to accept that these situations occur - so why not remove a stumbling block ?

@GQBlues
Over 10 years ago - I was renting serviced apartments with western stds. of bathrooms and décor in Kyiv, Moscow, Siberia, St. Petersburg, Crimea and Volgograd..  I insisted on this.  I was going nearly every month from Cyprus - work related.

We stayed over new year at a top notch hotel resort and there was three levels of security to get to the reception desk and all guests had to have a pass...no pass - one had to go to the concierge - where he checked your records / passports and issued a new card.

SC forgot her keycard after we went out to a Russian Banya on the complex and I had to run to the room to get her ( internal ) passport to get her in !


Things have moved on and security is a big deal..  For guys on a visit many trip  - chances are the Hotel might think you are bringing ladies of night  - if you have different partners.. :))

Really, I'm not saying, "Don't stay at a hotel" ..I'm just saying, be aware of potential "limitations"

In the cases where ''Games for two" did not take place, due to those limiting factors - I ensured a follow up visit and can advise that said factors no longer being an issue  - demonstrated the wisdom of booking an apartment.....



Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: GQBlues on January 23, 2017, 10:08:35 AM
...@GQBlues
Over 10 years ago - I was renting serviced apartments with western stds. of bathrooms and décor in Kyiv, Moscow, Siberia, St. Petersburg, Crimea and Volgograd..  I insisted on this.  I was going nearly every month from Cyprus - work related.

We stayed over new year at a top notch hotel resort and there was three levels of security to get to the reception desk and all guests had to have a pass...no pass - one had to go to the concierge - where he checked your records / passports and issued a new card.

SC forgot her keycard after we went out to a Russian Banya on the complex and I had to run to the room to get her ( internal ) passport to get her in !


Things have moved on and security is a big deal..  For guys on a visit many trip  - chances are the Hotel might think you are bringing ladies of night  - if you have different partners.. :))

Really, I'm not saying, "Don't stay at a hotel" ..I'm just saying, be aware of potential "limitations"

In the cases where ''Games for two" did not take place, due to those limiting factors - I ensured a follow up visit and can advise that said factors no longer being an issue  - demonstrated the wisdom of booking an apartment.....

I have absolutely no doubt your (mine and everyone else's) experience/s regarding this subject have its own merit. Thus, your advise is a representation of your preference for the readers at large. I, too, is not short on my preferences. Stayed in hotels, apartments, hostels, B&Bs all through western Europe (after my college years) - and when the iron curtain fell, all through central Europe (Czech/Slovakia/Hungary 1998-2003) and ultimately to Russia's Moscow, St. Pete, Ekaterinberg and Novosibirsk.

Done the same in So. America/Asia. Even to that lovely country north of us simply called 'Canada'.

But this is all it is - *preferences*.  I only took exception with some of the posts above making this very subjective matter so narrow by invoking that choosing hotels over apartments as an end all be all greatest sin a newbie can ever make in this endeavor. Wholly void on the readers' own preferential experiences extent/limitations. Heck, even when I made mistakes on my first travel/visit to Russia, I knew myself enough that I can easily adopt, cope and correct it on the fly. Andrewfi read my T/R, so did some of the old-timers here, they can attest to the extent of what I'm saying here. But I am also aware that what I do and have done isn't, and cannot be, a 'fit-for-all' approach.

There is NO absolution in generalities! I'm certain that if we all tried hard enough, we can all fit a square peg in a round hole, but this really is hardly the point in this.

Based on my travels the world over, all things considered, I'd prefer hotels over apartments for reasons noted above. Just as, for me, WMVM is the sanest way to do this endeavor. However, I do not, will not, and cannot diminish anyone else doing things differently than I have as *insane*.

I already forgot what the book was called before the inception of the internet, but I remember relying heavily on the information within it before I travelled. It starts with a letter 'F" (edit: just remembered: Fulton). When the internet got started, I exclusively used 'Virtual Tourist' (http://www.virtualtourist.com/) for all my travel information because you get to network directly with the locals for recommendation within any point of destination you're looking to travel to. Even became a contributing member for the site. Now, of course, you have Trip Advisor & AirBNB.

Bottom line is, all we can ever convey and share here are *personal preferences*, and let Readers (Buyers) Beware. After all, we don't really know the personalities of the Newbs. Nor do we know the depth of their financial/social/mental/psychological experiences. And vis-à-vis. We are all individuals having differing, subjective experiences and preferences.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on January 23, 2017, 02:26:38 PM
I have even experienced that several gals would not even go into lobby of hotel with me to pick up copy of Kyiv Post.  They would insist on waiting out on  the street; and even there they told me they were 'glared at' by the beefy door guards.

But, on the other hand . . . a couple of very high level professional gals (not prostitutes) who had traveled a lot, marched right up to reception desk, asked for key to my room and led the way up . . . to the more or less astonished look from reception gals.


Can't play house --- mmmm -- that is not correct either. If you mean chores - they can still be done in a hotel-- and the part that matters-- can happen anywhere

You are attempting to make a conclusive argument  to try and 'win" here.There is more than one way to do things - and some make life easier and are more preferable.

If you want or like to stay in a hotel, then by all means do so. A hotel room is a bed,
a Sh!tter toilet and a shower.

I have a Russian wife, she lives with me and I really, really like it. I could write for hours
about all the things I like about it and her. I like doing things with her even simple day
to day things, I like being around her. These are the things I experience every day.
I didn't marry her for the sex and the chores (both are really great though). It is
the unexplainable connection and love that we have. 

I am telling men that they can more realistically experience some of what I get every day
by having an apartment. Maybe they won't but they will have a better chance if they do.
For those using the visit one strategy (hopefully with a backup plan), they would be
idiots to stay in a hotel, if everything goes right you will have an FSUW move in with you.

Let's also look at this from a purely skeptical and due diligence standpoint. It's far better
to live in a semi realistic atmosphere to evaluate a potential Mrs _______your name here
along with her positives and negatives for life than in an unrealistic one. In real life she
will go shopping with you, put various groceries away, organize the kitchen spill stuff in
the kitchen or on the floor,  and a thousand other things. 

In real married life you don't eat every meal in a restaurant, have maids clean your room,
and leave your home every day for something to do. The only things that happen in a hotel
room are sleeping, sex and maybe a pre-coital shower or a post coital one together.

Apartments are more like real life. The girl will feel more comfortable there and she is
far more likely to shack up with you. The hooker thing is real. Several TR have reported
this. Sally (not her real name) from my trip report told me about it. She also said that
men staying in hotels were also suspected of having hooker visitors.

NOTE: Sally is just a friend and we never had romantic designs with each other.

My opinion is that apartments are far better than hotel rooms. For those who complain
about hard/lumpy beds then I suggest having somebody help you select your apartment.

Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 23, 2017, 02:42:56 PM

If you want or like to stay in a hotel, then by all means do so. A hotel room is a bed,
a Sh!tter toilet and a shower.

I have a Russian wife, she lives with me and I really, really like it. I could write for hours
about all the things I like about it and her. I like doing things with her even simple day
to day things, I like being around her. These are the things I experience every day.
I didn't marry her for the sex and the chores (both are really great though). It is
the unexplainable connection and love that we have. 

I am telling men that they can more realistically experience some of what I get every day
by having an apartment. Maybe they won't but they will have a better chance if they do.
For those using the visit one strategy (hopefully with a backup plan), they would be
idiots to stay in a hotel, if everything goes right you will have an FSUW move in with you.

Let's also look at this from a purely skeptical and due diligence standpoint. It's far better
to live in a semi realistic atmosphere to evaluate a potential Mrs _______your name here
along with her positives and negatives for life than in an unrealistic one. In real life she
will go shopping with you, put various groceries away, organize the kitchen spill stuff in
the kitchen or on the floor,  and a thousand other things. 

In real married life you don't eat every meal in a restaurant, have maids clean your room,
and leave your home every day for something to do. The only things that happen in a hotel
room are sleeping, sex and maybe a pre-coital shower or a post coital one together.

Apartments are more like real life. The girl will feel more comfortable there and she is
far more likely to shack up with you. The hooker thing is real. Several TR have reported
this. Sally (not her real name) from my trip report told me about it. She also said that
men staying in hotels were also suspected of having hooker visitors.

NOTE: Sally is just a friend and we never had romantic designs with each other.

My opinion is that apartments are far better than hotel rooms. For those who complain
about hard/lumpy beds then I suggest having somebody help you select your apartment.

 JayH
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2017, 12:45:01 AM »
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Nope-- you have made zero case . All your arguments apply to ongoing and more established relationship---  not a first meeting deal at all.That is the whole point of what i have said-  once established relationship different issues apply.


I have repeatedly qualified what I have said .Longer stays have a different criteria.
Not to sure how much clearer I could have been.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 23, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
JayH, repeating bollox doesn't make it 'fact'..

There are two ways of looking at reality..

1/ Lady's perspective..  there's a 'connection' - but I don't want knowing looks or to be challenged by security

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
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Quote from: JayH on January 19, 2017, 03:01:22 PM
Above all & repeating-- most guys are incapable of getting a girl to accept an invitation prematurely to private space- be that a hotel or an apartment.


"JayH, repeating bollox doesn't make it 'fact'.."

Are you disputing my opinion?
I stand by it .

It is you again with the "bollox"
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on January 23, 2017, 03:23:47 PM
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2017, 12:45:01 AM »
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Nope-- you have made zero case . All your arguments apply to ongoing and more established relationship---  not a first meeting deal at all.

Wrong, I specifically addressed first meetings among men who are using visit
one strategies. In a visit one situation girls are very, very likely to move in with
you and shack up on a first visit, at least they are with me.

In my own situation, it happened in Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk and Voronezh all
on my first visit. It didn't work out in one of my Kiev visits or, in Tblisi, or
St Petersburg. In my visit many trips, I entertained guests in Kiev and St Petersburg.


I have repeatedly qualified what I have said .Longer stays have a different criteria.
Not to sure how much clearer I could have been.

Repeating yourself doesn't make your arguments more credible or mine have
less merit. There are a hundred ways to find an FSUW and a thousand ways to
f#ck it up. I strongly believe my argument is superior to yours. I've used
different examples and arguments to make my case as have you.

We have reached a point where I think we need to agree to disagree and
let the newbies read both sides and decide for themselves.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on February 24, 2017, 03:07:34 AM

There is NO absolution in generalities! I'm certain that if we all tried hard enough, we can all fit a square peg in a round hole, but this really is hardly the point in this.

All sounding sensible ..

Based on my travels the world over, all things considered, I'd prefer hotels over apartments for reasons noted above. Just as, for me, WMVM is the sanest way to do this endeavor. However, I do not, will not, and cannot diminish anyone else doing things differently than I have as *insane*.

I have had this discussion with Beel, SO many times ... At least we agree re the apartment v hotel ;)


Bottom line is, all we can ever convey and share here are *personal preferences*, and let Readers (Buyers) Beware. After all, we don't really know the personalities of the Newbs. Nor do we know the depth of their financial/social/mental/psychological experiences. And vis-à-vis. We are all individuals having differing, subjective experiences and preferences.

But, we surely DO know what most (?) FSUW feel about being invited back to a hotel room ? 

You haven't - hopefully - dated there in 13 plus years.



Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Arti99 on May 02, 2017, 07:09:14 PM
If you go for 1-2 nights i'd recommend a hotel, if you plan to stay for more than 1 week an apartment is a better deal.
Attention!!! An apartment should cost about 60% of a same quality hotel room.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 02, 2017, 10:20:49 PM
If you go for 1-2 nights i'd recommend a hotel, if you plan to stay for more than 1 week an apartment is a better deal.
Attention!!! An apartment should cost about 60% of a same quality hotel room.

Ari -- you can read my comments in general above- :popcorn:

On cost issues  -- I dispute that comment as being correct.
In a very specific example --it is in fact near enough the same cost  -- and in real terms can be cheaper in a hotel.
If you take into account  that breakfast is included -- it is in fact cheaper. At my favoured Hotel group it is an excellent breakfast that caters to numerous styles and healthy eating !
Now that is a current day fact !

For the record -- I use both Hotels and apartments --it depends on all the circumstance at any given point of time.

Now another one that a few of the dinosaurs here may not have seen --loosely titled is the rise of the  Apartment/Hotel or Hotel/ Apartment !
It can be in effect a either way in emphasis-- more of one than the other either way.Generally speaking --it allows the privacy issue raised here as being so important  to some ( erroneously in my view as being a major issue) and some of the benefits of both !
An apartment taken for along stay ( far longer than the mob'er is likely to be undertaking) could be cheaper --but even that is not absolute.
These specific comments highlight why some of the dogmatic  unequivocal comments made by some here are outdated and it is just plain wrong .
Finally --my experience and time on the ground is both substantial and CURRENT.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 02, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
JayH

As you KEEP demonstrating - any practical 'experience' you have of travel and staying overnight in the in the FSU seems to be contrary to mine.

The REAL rise is those using services like booking.com, airbnb, etc.

Longer stays tend to be in apartments.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 02, 2017, 10:54:15 PM
If you actually check Booking.com you will see   some hotel/apartments  stroke apartment/hotel !!

Moby -- wake up-- knowing something as an "opinion"does not make it mutually exclusive .
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 02, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
If you actually check Booking.com you will see   some hotel/apartments  stroke apartment/hotel !!

IF you actually read, JayH - I don't dispute the 'rise' of apart/ hotels ....  I just don't agree with your advice  / criteria on choosing places to stay

Moby -- wake up-- knowing something as an "opinion"does not make it mutually exclusive .

 ;D I wasn't the one starting off his previous post by suggesting the opinions of others were invalid ....
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 03, 2017, 04:13:30 AM
Against my better judgment I will tell you a snippet of a story that happened on an early trip into Ukraine some time ago( recent compared to some who write here!! --2010 ) and relates to this topic .
This happened in what is now occupied Crimea  -not too far from where a misguided bridge is being attempted to  be built.

I went to meet a specific girl that I had had solid prelim prep with (  I did not see forums until some years later btw_)
We spoke again on the morning I was leaving Kyiv to meet her at prearranged place that evening. So all good it seemed.

Arrived on schedule,checked into the HOTEL -- an older style but quite beautiful in a traditional sense in the public areas and gracious.
I showered and changed and headed off to meeting early . Sent sms -  no reply.Sat and waited -nothing,SMS and calls nothing at all,she had gone to ground and as I learnt later-- had got cold feet ( so to speak).

Like a half smart little wood duck-- I had plan B !!  ( & C,D,E,F,G,H etc) :)

So after a fair amount of frustration & wasted  time ( in retrospect it was all good learning time) I got in contact with PLAN B ( believe me she as an A+)  who could hardly believe I was there--but came asap to meet.I cannot say how much I enjoyed meeting her -- for many reasons.

Now to the point of this anecdote!  On the second day -- she was interested to see something on my computer, true!!
Now the issue of the Hotel was discussed ( as per the most negative conversations  here ) - so with a shrug of the shoulders - off we went.  At entrance of Hotel  she looks across to receptionist -- and immediately recognised her from school !! So evasive action into lift is expedited in a flash!! Lot's of laughter and shushing and we arrive at floor.
Now this is an old Soviet style establishment with a floor supervisor still in place-- probably used more at that time as a linen closet and forlady to cleaning etc. The lady in charge  is ensconsed in her cubby hole --low and behold-- the lady happens to be a good friend of the mother of the  girl I was with -- and we were face to face with her!! 

A very valid point about meetings-- ALL meetings- --especially in smaller cities-- is that girls do not wish the gossip to be about them -in any circumstances let alone being on the way to a western mans hotel room !!

That girl is now a working lawyer  and happily married to a very nice Ukrainian guy--  but all that was back in another time


Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 03, 2017, 05:04:43 AM
Which just goes to demonstrate why a hotel may not be a wise choice if meeting someone ... 
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 03, 2017, 05:53:00 AM
A girl I am due to go out to see was adamant that she would not stay in a hotel, though for the short time period of a week a hotel actually comes in a bit cheaper than the apartment. It will be interesting for me to do the apartment thing and no doubt has its upsides but hotels I just see as being more convenient. That said I decided to not do hotel with her as if its a big obstacle then its pointless as the whole point of me going is to be with someone. Funny thing is its not even in her hometown or remotely near it. Why many women out there have this big hang up over hotels is comical.   
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 03, 2017, 07:34:11 AM
Why many women out there have this big hang up over hotels is comical.

There you go again Trench... IF you still think this - you will fail - again ... 

There's been enough 'help' for you on here as to why a lady doesn't want / need gossip.. 



Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 03, 2017, 11:31:18 AM
There you go again Trench... IF you still think this - you will fail - again ... 

There's been enough 'help' for you on here as to why a lady doesn't want / need gossip..

I know I wouldn't set myself up with a Hotel these days knowing women there have hang ups over it, unless of course I was going on a meet many to 'interview' the ladies in which case I would choose a location away from the hotel. There reaction to Hotel though still amuses me, :D lol, it's so different from here in the West but in a way refreshing I think.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on May 03, 2017, 11:56:30 AM
Why many women out there have this big hang up over hotels is comical.

I'm sure they have gangsters where you are from, but you don't cross paths
with them because you don't do gangster type stuff and you run in different
circles. Imagine they hung around hotels and rented out prostitutes.

Imagine you were a pretty young girl and a guy suggested that you went to
the hotel where the gangster pimps were at. Further imagine that some of
those girls were voluntarily prostitutes and some were forced.

How likely would it be that a slim young girl who isn't a Ninja would want to go
to a place where there were gangster pimps that potentially force girls into
prostitution?

The gangsters run the prostitutes in the hotels. Do they force girls to become
prostitutes? Maybe not, I have no idea. Are these prostitutes hooked on drugs?
again, I have no idea. Could the whole scenario scare a slim young girl?

Could it be repulsive to her? Has she heard horror stories? Is it pretty comical 
that she would want to avoid all of this?

Trench, I don't know if any of the above scenarios are real or not. I am sure
that the hookers at the hotels are controlled by mobsters.

The girl you are meeting is probably seriously considering you as a potential
mate. If things go well, she might want to bring friends/family to your
apartment to meet you. She might want to play house. You can't do those
things for crap in a hotel in the FSU.

for the short time period of a week a hotel actually comes in a bit cheaper than the apartment.

Once you figure in the cost for restaurants vs home cooked food, the savings
you speak of go out the window, same for laundry.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 03, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
2T-- you have some ridiculous ideas-- and the post above takes the cake.

It is such a narrow distorted view it is unbelievable.

Maybe it is just dated -outdated that it.

Gangsters,prostitutes--  at hotels -- not in my world .
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on May 03, 2017, 12:09:18 PM
2T-- you have some ridiculous ideas-- and the post above takes the cake.

Gangsters,prostitutes--  at hotels -- not in my world .

Jay, you are a little naive,

Do you think that any freelancing prostitute is allowed to practice their trade at
any hotel without paying a tax? Do you think hotels aren't regulated/shaken down?

Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 03, 2017, 12:23:28 PM
A girl I am due to go out to see was adamant that she would not stay in a hotel, though for the short time period of a week a hotel actually comes in a bit cheaper than the apartment. It will be interesting for me to do the apartment thing and no doubt has its upsides but hotels I just see as being more convenient. That said I decided to not do hotel with her as if its a big obstacle then its pointless as the whole point of me going is to be with someone. Funny thing is its not even in her hometown or remotely near it. Why many women out there have this big hang up over hotels is comical.
I am replying because you are making an attempt at a more rational approach--just dont post repeating stuff that you have picked up on forum and only half understand.

A couple of points --you confirmed my comments on comparable cost --you in fact stayed at one hotel I recommend. It actually has a higher cost than the same chain in other cities.

My bet is you saw zero of any gangsters or prostitutes while you stayed there!!

On apartment--if a girl offers to arrange--take great care -both with booking and price-- and with her if it does not add up.
If you are collecting key -establish a precise time you can keep -- make sure you have phone contact,try and know if they speak English- send sms a few hours in advance confirming you will be on time -- and No1 -establish if contact point(meeting place) is the actual address of the apartment.

Meeting in another city  eg  ZAP to DNK goes to the point above where a girl may be underwhelmed at being seen with a stranger in town . Secondly-- she can leave any time she chooses without having a guy on her doorstep and is a cheap bus ride to home for her.

Whatever the apartment arrangements are- presume nothing and hasten slowly !!

Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 03, 2017, 12:29:31 PM
Jay, you are a little naive,

Do you think that any freelancing prostitute is allowed to practice their trade at
any hotel without paying a tax? Do you think hotels aren't regulated/shaken down?

Sheesh -- maybe you need to frequent a better class  of hotel?
Your all encompassing comments are simply garbage.
Maybe a tiny %  - that is all I would concede and I have only seen in a pretty subtle way in a big Moscow hotel --and not in Ukraine at all.
Am I naive -- mmm -- hardly .
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Arti99 on May 03, 2017, 06:42:51 PM
Ari -- you can read my comments in general above- :popcorn:

On cost issues  -- I dispute that comment as being correct.
In a very specific example --it is in fact near enough the same cost  -- and in real terms can be cheaper in a hotel.
If you take into account  that breakfast is included -- it is in fact cheaper. At my favoured Hotel group it is an excellent breakfast that caters to numerous styles and healthy eating !
Now that is a current day fact !

For the record -- I use both Hotels and apartments --it depends on all the circumstance at any given point of time.

Now another one that a few of the dinosaurs here may not have seen --loosely titled is the rise of the  Apartment/Hotel or Hotel/ Apartment !
It can be in effect a either way in emphasis-- more of one than the other either way.Generally speaking --it allows the privacy issue raised here as being so important  to some ( erroneously in my view as being a major issue) and some of the benefits of both !
An apartment taken for along stay ( far longer than the mob'er is likely to be undertaking) could be cheaper --but even that is not absolute.
These specific comments highlight why some of the dogmatic  unequivocal comments made by some here are outdated and it is just plain wrong .
Finally --my experience and time on the ground is both substantial and CURRENT.
Let me disagree with your opinion as I do short term rentals in Ukraine for about 12 years, I do both - apartments and a mini-hotel, so a studio or a one bedroom apartment will be always cheaper than a hotel room, some of my 2 or 3 bedroom apartments are same price than a hotel room, I will agree on this.
As for me, when I travel alone I book hotels, if not, I prefer apartments.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 03, 2017, 11:52:07 PM
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"so a studio or a one bedroom apartment will be always cheaper than a hotel room,"

Simply untrue as I said. It is just plain wrong to state that.
If one pays via Ukrainian sites -- it can be cheaper -- but often hard to get equivalent standard.
Where are you based?
If in Kyiv or Odessa  itself -- your assertion has the greatest chance of being closest to correct -- but outside of that I will back my comments .
So-- give us a few examples of reasonable style apartment for say -- a 4 day stay .
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 04, 2017, 12:09:58 AM
JayH

If only I had a 100 quid for every howler you have copied and pasted - believing it to be 'true'... [i.e.factual]

Perhaps 'nearly always' would have been a wiser choice of words - knowing your tendency to be a pendant - whilst rarely acknowledging when you are mistaken. ..as in this case.





Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 04, 2017, 12:56:44 AM
JayH

If only I had a 100 quid for every howler you have copied and pasted - believing it to be 'true'... [i.e.factual]

Perhaps 'nearly always' would have been a wiser choice of words - knowing your tendency to be a pendant - whilst rarely acknowledging when you are mistaken. ..as in this case.
You are full of it--  your trolling onle serves to show the idiot you are

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21587.1300

Quote from: msmob on April 27, 2017, 02:23:33 AM
"JayH

This is your constant 'excuse' when posting stuff that is so often ill-researched , sloppy journalism or just downright fake news..

You may achieve ( if you have not already done so ) the status of the boy who cries, 'Wolf' .... no-one will believe you  / pay attention - even if you post a decent, thought-provoking article  :( "
QUOTING REPLY FROM ANOTHER THREAD
"Moby --I think you are a complete dill --but -- it is a waste of time repeating it.You throw your trolling cast out repeatedly to draw attention to yourself-- simply pathetic.
On matters Ukraine -- you are like the guy that says some of his best "friends" are Jewish and then continues unabated in his anti semitic ranting. That along with your support of the Russian filth that has invaded Ukraine and continues to kill,maim ,suppress good Ukrainians and ruin lives disgusts me.There is NOTHING nice about the current Russian regime and those that SUPPORT it--in any way.
You are an inadequate twit that seeks the applause of forums for your life--just pathetic.

As  to your comment above -- deliberately maliciously incorrectly attributing words not said by me-- only goes to illustrate your ignorance( & those who have repeatedly done it)in general .There is nothing constant or excuse making in ANYTHING I said --just another attempt at creating a fiction -- perhaps like the Russian scum of your admiration  you cant tell the truth either.
If you are so dumb that you refuse to read links--or cannot see they are often wide discussion point-- the more stupid it make YOU ( & others)"
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 04, 2017, 01:17:59 AM
For those that want to discuss some reality-- what can you show for $15 to $20 per night?
That is possible for one night or 20  & includes a very decent breakfast of unlimited quantity >>

So--let us see what is comparable. :)

Apartment can be  had for that price -that is true enough too-- but--often not as good a quality level and no breakfast.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 04, 2017, 01:25:08 AM
 :D

JayH

If 'trolling' is pointing out your many inaccurate articles and assessments on this particular thread -  then I am 'guilty' ...

In the meantime, I am pretty confident I have stayed in more FSU accommodation and in more places than you over the years and recently.  To remind you - I was in Ukraine 25 percent of my life  - business reasons - in recent years

Once again, you suggest some 'support' - on 'my' behalf -  for VVP's away games in neighbouring states that would suggest you want us to read your copy and pastes -  but haven't the courtesy to read posts of others..thus making a fool of yourself...

So, I'm a 'russiophobe' in another place and a 'fan' of his - to you - on here  :ROFL:

Now, IF you want to deal with the daftness if your assertions appertaining to THIS thread ....  I missed any validating 'evidence' to support your flip-flopping stances ...



Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 04, 2017, 01:36:10 AM
For those that want to discuss some reality-- what can you show for $15 to $20 per night?
That is possible for one night or 20  & includes a very decent breakfast of unlimited quantity >>



Easy ... It was even possible to find such places within five mins of the Sochi F1 GP - during the GP - I found such a place on booking.com for a Russian friend from Moscow and a member on here found his own place using the same site...

I have recently stayed in an airport 'Guest House' that offered transport to and from the airport - INCLUDED - in the price for the target you suggest and posted the info on here .... brand new place - super std of accommodation, WiFi, Powerful shower / standing jacuzzi, writing desk, terrace over garden ...

You know JayH .... most members CAN use search engines and find decent accommodation - with good reviews


Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 04, 2017, 02:20:17 AM
:D

JayH

 

1/In the meantime, I am pretty confident I have stayed in more FSU accommodation and in more places than you over the years and recently.  To remind you - I was in Ukraine 25 percent of my life  - business reasons - in recent years


2/Now, IF you want to deal with the daftness if your assertions appertaining to THIS thread ....  I missed any validating 'evidence' to support your flip-flopping stances ...

1/ See there you go again--you have zero idea of me-And I will happily bet you ANY amount  that I have spent more time in Ukraine than you  ( in the time of my recent situation fwiw since 2010_)
You keep showing your arrogant ignorance

2/ Validating evidence-- note --you offer none at all . A few pieces of anecdotal comment.My specific comment refers to a hotel group  that has clearly identifiable published prices . As it happens-- I also get a decent discount that I have not referred to here.

If you can actually read my comments-- they are to a degree qualified -- I only bother mention that for others reading.

As for you staying in more places  --now that will be rubbish -- as so many and much of your garbage is in your over zealous attempts to try and show what a "genius" you are !!
Moby -- you are a complete f..wit.

For all to note --here is Moby again seeking to make a thread about HIM !!
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 04, 2017, 02:22:37 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 04, 2017, 02:52:17 AM
See there you go again--you have zero idea of me-And I will happily bet you ANY amount  that I have spent more time in Ukraine than you  ( in the time of my recent situation fwiw since 2010_)
You keep showing your arrogant ignorance

I am VERY confident that an Aussie cannot go backwards and forwards to FSU like I can ...     Did you need to replace a passport - I have TWO remember - as they got full of FSU state entry / exit stamps ?   That's over 62 pages filled in less than 10 years :))  The new - one UK - just over 1 year old -  is already 25 percent full. 

I don't like to stay in bed-factories / chains and prefer seeking out friendly - hostelries

 
Validating evidence-- note --you offer none at all . A few pieces of anectdotal comment.My specific comment refers to a hotel group  that has clearly identifiable published prices . As it happens-- I also get a decent discount that I have not referred to here.

If you can actually read my comments-- they are to a degree qualified -- I only bother mention that for others reading.

As for you staying in more places  --now that will be rubbish -- as so many and much of your garbage is in your over zealous attempts to try and show what a "genius" you are !!
Moby -- you are a complete f..wit.

For all to note --here is Moby again seeking to make a thread about HIM !!

Moby is simply pointing out that JayH has a record of posting bollox 'info' and being busted ...

You  make up stuff to 'discredit' - like my 'supporting the Kremlin's 'away games' in Ukraine - rather than READING folks ripostes - that call the basis for your 'opinions' into doubt.

As for validation - I have quoted numerous examples and my trip reports often feature the accommodation I stay at ...  :)

I'm happy to post several FULL pages from my passports - just UA / RU - across the years to demonstrate your folly.   

Mine are stored on photobucket - used to silence a Kremlin troll - you may need to put down the popcorn - lest you choke.....  :cheesy:






Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 04, 2017, 03:14:19 AM
You said Ukraine -that is what I responded to - I have been quite specific on that -to point out the obvious.
You are such a sly cretin you seek to move  as it suits you  - really -- you cant provide a link to support your assertions? Yeah right -- not that it changes my point one iota !

You seem to think you and your exposure is "superior" --I say bs and you are simply full of crap.( spread across many threads and forums_
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 04, 2017, 03:26:30 AM
You said Ukraine -that is what I responded to - I have been quite specific on that -to point out the obvious.
You are such a sly cretin you seek to move  as it suits you  - really -- you cant provide a link to support your assertions? Yeah right -- not that it changes my point one iota !

You seem to think you and your exposure is "superior" --I say bs and you are simply full of crap.( spread across many threads and forums_

JayH

My expertise re travel / staying in varied accommodation referred to FSU - I believe that includes Ukraine ? ...

Anytime you feel like responding to my challenge - rather than obfuscating with daftness ...
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Hammer2722 on May 04, 2017, 09:06:41 AM
Once again, another hijacked thread....... :wallbash:
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: jone on May 04, 2017, 09:57:18 AM
I read Bill's post above with interest.

At the Cosmos Hotel, in Moscow, only seven years ago, I remember being there and a whole room off the elevator lobby was reserved for hookers.   The hall monitor would not let them up the elevators unless they were accompanying one of guests.  But it was organized crime, plain and simple.  Everyone was on the take for what these gals made.

I have stayed in many other hotels in Moscow, my favorite being Swissotel.   I have never seen prostitutes working off the lobby there.  And my visits overlap that with the Cosmos.  But if one were to go to the night club in the salad bowl at the top of the Swissotel, you can find gals to sleep with you for money, if that is your inclination.  I had them pointed out to me by the gal I was dating.  They sit at the bar, waiting for an unattached man to come by and then snare them like a spider with a web.

But Moscow is much different than other parts of Eastern Europe.  Most of the hotels I have stayed at in Ukraine do not have hookers in the lobby or elsewhere.  Same with Russia, outside of the federal districts. 

While this is an interesting thread, I will say that I use AirBNB for traveling with a companion, and stay in hotels if I am by myself or dating someone for the first time.

Keep in mind what happened to one of the guys in Odessa.  He rented an apartment and the gal used his inexperience to bring a guy to the room and assault him for his money.    Staying at a hotel makes this type of assault much less probable. 
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Anotherkiwi on May 04, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
At the Cosmos Hotel, in Moscow, only seven years ago, I remember being there and a whole room off the elevator lobby was reserved for hookers.   The hall monitor would not let them up the elevators unless they were accompanying one of guests.  But it was organized crime, plain and simple.  Everyone was on the take for what these gals made.

Maybe I just don't notice things like this, being too innocent in the ways of the world  :devil:, but I never saw any obvious prostitutes in any of the hotels I stayed at in Russia (I stayed only in apartments in Ukraine).  However, I didn't frequent the Cosmos when I was last in Moscow (at the same time as you), so maybe I missed out on a visual treat.  8)

Keep in mind what happened to one of the guys in Odessa.  He rented an apartment and the gal used his inexperience to bring a guy to the room and assault him for his money.    Staying at a hotel makes this type of assault much less probable.

GQBlues made much the same point.  However, my response to you is the same as it was to him - yes, the guy was unlucky (and quite possibly lucky not to be killed), and there probably have been quite a few others attacked the same way, BUT, as a proportion of the total number of men who visit Ukraine (and the rest of the FSU) in this endeavour, this hardly even rates as a blip on the radar.  For every person attacked, 10, 20 or 100,000 others have visited with no problems at all (apart from those finding out that their "girl" really was Boris or Yuri - 2tallbill's "Employee of the Month").

I would even hazard a guess that the number of male foreigners attacked on the streets in the FSU is probably higher than the number lured to their fate in an apartment by a local siren.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: southernX on May 04, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
this debate still going on ?? :D

i definetly prefer apartments to stay in in the fsu ,
they are cheaper and better value in my experience for us and the way we like to travel over extended time periods

as for hookers and gangsters , yes there there but like all things you will seek what you look for in any place

if you dont trust your lady that you are going to visit , especially wovo , trips enough to book an apartment for you then id suggest you dont know her well enough at all and should not be going anyway lol

SX
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 04, 2017, 08:30:26 PM
this debate still going on ?? :D

i definitely prefer apartments to stay in in the fsu ,
they are cheaper and better value in my experience for us and the way we like to travel over extended time periods

as for hookers and gangsters , yes there there but like all things you will seek what you look for in any place

if you dont trust your lady that you are going to visit , especially wovo , trips enough to book an apartment for you then id suggest you dont know her well enough at all and should not be going anyway lol

SX

SX -- it is the point in bold that I dispute. Guys stating unequivocally that apartments are cheaper are just plain wrong. That is one of the points too many keep repeating --it is simply not true.
It may have been the case in the past - and that may be where many have got the notion from -- but today it is a flawed piece of incorrect advice.

For a guy on his first trip- the complications of an apartment can be significant  -even daunting .The surrounds and circumstances ,
coordinating arrival etc is a complication that is not needed.

NOTE -- I am talking about initial trips and  not established relationship situations -- and have always been at pains to point that out.
To me-- the idea of a girl cooking for you prematurely is ridiculous - it is not going to happen. Suggesting she come and do your washing and ironing -- oh yeah-I can see how well that would go !!  I would NEVER do that at home -- so why would I even consider that when in the FSU.Makes zero sense at all that argument.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: southernX on May 04, 2017, 09:01:14 PM
jay i have no intention of entering this long winded rather pointless debate in too much depth to be honest as it is always going to be a personal choice imo depending on many variants


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For a guy on his first trip- the complications of an apartment can be significant  -even daunting .The surrounds and circumstances ,
coordinating arrival etc is a complication that is not needed.

however i used an apartment on my first trip with ease on arrival to kiev then kharkiv , as well as hotels in russia
if you can find a hotel via , your own nous or taxi , then an apartment is in the same league imo

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To me-- the idea of a girl cooking for you prematurely is ridiculous - it is not going to happen

mine did  ;)

each to their own imo , but i always find apartments cheaper and better value than hotels for what you get and what they offer as below

http://kiev-apartmentrental.com/
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on May 04, 2017, 09:04:25 PM
Round and Round we go !
 
1/ Getting an apartment  -  is probably wiser  - if you are  likely to be inviting a lady back - the reasons have been discussed - many times. - whether you find this reasoning 'silly' or not ... the idea is surely to put the lady at ease.

2/ It will likely be cheaper than the equiv std hotel - AND you can impress her with your cooking or her you - romantic !

If this is your first trip - for sure - stay at a hotel -  if you feel more comfortable.

Do what's right for you.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on May 05, 2017, 12:46:14 AM
jay i have no intention of entering this long winded rather pointless debate in too much depth to be honest as it is always going to be a personal choice imo depending on many variants



SX-- and neither do I  !!

I am aiming my response at all -- not just you.
If you ( & everyone else that is so adamant)want to keep stating -- "CHEAPER" --then quote some recent examples   -- show some actual; numbers   and perhaps photos or links .
The rest of the discussion is misguided to say the least -- I am not and never have had disputed the POTENTIAL of apartments.  In my view-- all who make those arguments are talking about a prior well set up inter-action-- so it does not apply to early contacts without a LOT of prelim work.

My overall point is that a hotel is a lot less hassle for a guy in his early days in the FSU.

My objection is the exaggerated unequivocal advice  that is simply wrong .

There are many examples of guys paying way over the odds for apartments-- something that could have easily been avoided if booking a hotel and seeing comparative rates  .

On the cost -- even if the quality comparison  is very approximated and cost similar ( say within a few dollars) that is what I am saying -- so lets not get pedantic of very close costs. In my view-the better facility will be the hotel.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on May 05, 2017, 05:48:10 AM
Can't believe I am jumping in, but...


On my first trip I set up my own apartment (Olga in Odessa, highly recommended, newbies PM me for her info if you are going to Odessa or Nikolaev). I didn't ask the girl to cook for me, it just happened. She had a friend who knew English better. We went to the grocery store, purchased some food/ingredients, returned to the apartment and one hour later a large meal was prepared.


My point? If you have spent time getting to know the woman and you do your research, there is nothing unsafe about getting an apartment. Maybe I am more street smart that the average man, but I have never felt in fear in the FSU. Have we seen men attacked in their apartment? Yes. We even know of a man who was locked into the apartment over New Years because his girl had to "work" or deal with a robbery at her "work". Some people are incapable of avoiding stepping on their own dicks.


I have spent one night in a hotel in FSU (In Kiyv). It was a nice hotel, but the room was very small. Overall my preference is to stay in an apartment (for many of the reasons Bill has stated).


And Jay, you know that most, if not all, of these women are dying to cook for a man who has traveled to meet them. That is my experience 100%. Your mileage may vary.


HDL
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on May 05, 2017, 01:00:14 PM
Let me disagree with your opinion as I do short term rentals in Ukraine for about 12 years, I do both - apartments and a mini-hotel, so a studio or a one bedroom apartment will be always cheaper than a hotel room, some of my 2 or 3 bedroom apartments are same price than a hotel room, I will agree on this.
As for me, when I travel alone I book hotels, if not, I prefer apartments.


Thank you for your input,

Bill
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Arti99 on May 09, 2017, 07:19:07 PM
Ari -- you can read my comments in general above- :popcorn:

On cost issues  -- I dispute that comment as being correct.
In a very specific example --it is in fact near enough the same cost  -- and in real terms can be cheaper in a hotel.
If you take into account  that breakfast is included -- it is in fact cheaper. At my favoured Hotel group it is an excellent breakfast that caters to numerous styles and healthy eating !
Now that is a current day fact !


If you take to the account that:
 - there's a lunch and dinner that are not included in the hotel price you have to go to restaurants 3 times a days if you rent a hotel
- the hotel breakfast is not an expensive thing, so you don't save a lot on breakfasts.

You should agree that apartments are much cheaper than hotels
But as I said in some circumstances I would prefer a hotel.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Arti99 on January 19, 2018, 03:28:15 PM
If you take to the account that:
 - there's a lunch and dinner that are not included in the hotel price you have to go to restaurants 3 times a days if you rent a hotel to meet femmes ukrainiennes (http://www.femme-ukraine.com/)
- the hotel breakfast is not an expensive thing, so you don't save a lot on breakfasts.

You should agree that apartments are much cheaper than hotels
But as I said in some circumstances I would prefer a hotel.

Hi, i'm returning from a travel & as i said before hotel was my choice. 
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: mendeleyev on March 20, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
If in transit I'll use a hotel for the convenience of a place to sleep. Otherwise, it is apartments only for my taste. Often I'm in a city for several days and as a married man I'm not there to date, but an apartment is a convenient base of operations for uploading photos, having a place to stretch out that feels like home, laundry, and I'm an above average cook so a kitchen is just so easy and comfortable.

AIRBNB has been my friend for decades and it is easy to see in advance the lay of the land including how close is a Metro station, photos of the interior, etc. I've also asked for the physical address and then taken a "tour" of the neighborhood using google maps.

I would agree with Bill and others about a 2 room if I were dating. That makes a gal comfortable in that you are not immediately expecting action and giving her the chance to become comfortable with your presence until she determines that a closer relationship is in order.

I have seen all sorts of hotels across the FSU and there remains a stigma with some hotels, and some ladies, about going inside with you. That is a simple fact and it stems to the time when the only reason an Eastern European/Asian woman would go inside was to "work" and I'm not talking the cleaning maids. Some of those attitudes are slowly changing, but it takes time.

Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on March 20, 2018, 12:57:36 PM
JayH

Over to you...
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on March 20, 2018, 02:36:41 PM
JayH

Over to you...

OK --  first off --the requirements of a guy who is established in the area -- are quite different to the not experienced  and if already in a real life relationship

 -apartments are NOT cheaper than hotels . Yes-they can be -but it is wrong as a blanket statement. The difference in cost can be minimal

- my major point has always been -- staying where other people are around you --is a MAJOR opportunity to meet people. It forces a guy to socialise and interact .

- that compares with doing your own cooking & washing etc --- it is ridiculous to place the emphasis on that

-  I don't dispute that there is an old fashioned stigma for girls about hotels --IN SOME CASES. Chances are that she is no more likely to prematurely go back to an apartment than a hotel  --for exactly the same reasons

-in an established relationship -- it will not be an issue.Hotels have changed a lot--fact.In Ukraine- over the last 4 years much has changed.

-- most of the pro apartment only comments made here are by over the hill guys who did their interacting in another era !!

-- lastly - the flexibility of a hotel is far preferable -- you can up and leave when you choose -- as distinct from paying a week or 2 in advance and feeling stuck there !!  If  a guy does hook up and needs the" privacy "of an apartment --he can always do that on the spot if need be.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: alex330 on March 20, 2018, 04:49:40 PM
I enjoy cooing and a larger space to live in, so generally prefer apartments. And have in the past advised to book and apartment over a hotel. That said, things are changing I feel. There are now more and more hotels opening that I have seen. At least some nice ones in Odesa. For a first time visitor it would eliminate a number of headaches and potential situations, especially if you do not speak the language.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 06:27:23 PM
OK --  first off --the requirements of a guy who is established in the area -- are quite different to the not experienced  and if already in a real life relationship

 -apartments are NOT cheaper than hotels . Yes-they can be -but it is wrong as a blanket statement. The difference in cost can be minimal

- my major point has always been -- staying where other people are around you --is a MAJOR opportunity to meet people. It forces a guy to socialise and interact .

- that compares with doing your own cooking & washing etc --- it is ridiculous to place the emphasis on that

-  I don't dispute that there is an old fashioned stigma for girls about hotels --IN SOME CASES. Chances are that she is no more likely to prematurely go back to an apartment than a hotel  --for exactly the same reasons

-in an established relationship -- it will not be an issue.Hotels have changed a lot--fact.In Ukraine- over the last 4 years much has changed.

-- most of the pro apartment only comments made here are by over the hill guys who did their interacting in another era !!

-- lastly - the flexibility of a hotel is far preferable -- you can up and leave when you choose -- as distinct from paying a week or 2 in advance and feeling stuck there !!  If  a guy does hook up and needs the" privacy "of an apartment --he can always do that on the spot if need be.

Having done an apartment I would definitely chose it over hotel, there may not be a lot of different in price worth arguing about - a decent posh apartment will be comparable to a 3-4 star hotel. However, an apartment usually has a bit more space, not necessarily loads but they do tend to be roomier and more homely feeling.

With the cooking I would only countenance this if the girl was doing it ;D It gives a great opportunity to find out about the cooking skills of your girl. Let you be the judge of her cooking skills and her in the position of having to impress you. Time over again I think I would purposely get the girl to do all the coking for the week, if she's into or not you'll soon find out :D

If I was not with a girl but out in the FSU looking for one then if I've got an apartment I would go out to a nearby restaurant to eat and just get a few snacks in. I wouldn't bother using the kitchen facilities myself, way I see it just because they are there doesn't mean you have to use them. I've never stayed in hotel long enough to use laundry service which usually comes at an extra hefty charge anyway. I would use a washing machine if I had no other choice in an apartment but it would be something I would not be rushing to spend time on doing.

I would say on the initial arrival for newbies you are probably right that a hotel will be easier, had I done an apartment in my first time in Ukraine I don't think I would have known where the hell I was. On my forthcoming trip to Poland for example I will probably spend a first few days in a hotel just seeing the sights then switch to an apartment for the next week or so and go into dating mode.

I think on balance though I would definitely put the weighting on doing apartments a lot more, they just give of a lot better atmosphere than hotel rooms.

In some hotels you can get pretty receptionists, hotel restaurant staff, etc but hitting on them might get awkward if it all goes south, not nearly as bad as in the west but still I think somewhere a bit off location is usually better for that.   
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on March 20, 2018, 09:10:15 PM
I enjoy cooing and a larger space to live in, so generally prefer apartments. And have in the past advised to book and apartment over a hotel. That said, things are changing I feel. There are now more and more hotels opening that I have seen. At least some nice ones in Odesa. For a first time visitor it would eliminate a number of headaches and potential situations, especially if you do not speak the language.

Sasha --you are now a married man-- so that can make sense !
My favourite apartment in Odesa is incredibly well located --has great views and action all around ( it is more expensive than very decent Odesa hotels) .  There are cafes,restaurants,bars literally at the front gate -- and many many more within minutes walk.

The apartment itself is of good western level,great kitchen and facilities etc .

However--  I go out for every meal ! the only exception was when a 2nd party wanted to eat in!!
Even now --there is no way on earth I would choose to eat at home ( for any meal) in preference to a sidewalk cafe/restaurant etc

Time spent interacting with people -- and the opportunity to meet more people is NOT going to happen indoors in an  apartment!! :)

A small example ( sorry Sash- I think I have told you this story previously!!) ---  It is good weather time in Odessa --  I head off to breakfast at a time most are still sleeping ( 7.30am ish) to a nice place om the main strip !
Sitting with my coffee my attention is drawn to a trio of extremely attractive girls arriving . Shortly after they were joined by a few more.
At that time --I was extremely familiar with ( id's & photos) of many girls active on the more notorious websites ( eg AD,HRB,RLM,DM & many more) and the agencies generally.

Looking ( not staring !) more closely -I recognised a couple of these girls -- and using computer confirmed it- and one of the girls had started looking at me with curiosity.

At that stage another girl arrived and need another chair -- which she asked me if it was ok to take.  I deliberately replied in English-which immediately initiated a conversation of what I was doing there etc !

So--then I am talking to a beautiful group of women ! Much laughter etc when I explained that I had recognised them etc and the girl who had been looking at me said she thought she knew me !

They had been working ( the websites chat etc) all night and were in the habit of going out for breakfast at the end of their shifts.

It all goes to my point --being out and about has the potential to create opportunities. At the very least -- watching people interact and go about their day can only help you understand more.







Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Sting23 on March 20, 2018, 11:49:41 PM

Looking ( not staring !) more closely -I recognised a couple of these girls -- and using computer confirmed it- and one of the girls had started looking at me with curiosity.

At that stage another girl arrived and need another chair -- which she asked me if it was ok to take.  I deliberately replied in English-which immediately initiated a conversation of what I was doing there etc !

So--then I am talking to a beautiful group of women ! Much laughter etc when I explained that I had recognised them etc and the girl who had been looking at me said she thought she knew me !

They had been working ( the websites chat etc) all night and were in the habit of going out for breakfast at the end of their shifts.

It all goes to my point --being out and about has the potential to create opportunities. At the very least -- watching people interact and go about their day can only help you understand more.

Nice story! so did the girls figure out you were on those sites?  that is the attitude to have when traveling.  Just talk to people and be open.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on March 21, 2018, 12:54:39 AM
Nice story! so did the girls figure out you were on those sites?  that is the attitude to have when traveling.  Just talk to people and be open.

Yeah-- the one looking at me first had worked it out-- mostly. Once she heard me speak  was enough.
Back then, I had registered on every site known to man !
Partly because I did research any profile that caught my attention -- and I originally wanted to know how the whole system worked. Some time before the above incident -- I had met agency managers and owners and I understood the system very well .Even so -- I still kept tabs ( by paying) on numerous sites.
I still think that the notorious sites are as good as anywhere if trying to make a connection -- but the education can be expensive !
Most of the good looking girls earn quite good money( or did) and are not in the "need to be saved" by Trenchcoat poor village girl category !!
For those that run the gauntlet of the notorious sites -- to escape all the well known consequences -- you need something going for you. 

All that said -- my current Ukrainian lady was an AD girl -- my long term Ukrainian ex was -- and is again now !!
Others ( some even posted in this thread!) have connected to their current long term wives through AD and other sites I categorise as notorious. Others we know have dropped over $20000 to get led around by the nose ! One guy -- who came to chat -- was shocked when he found out I knew "his" girl that he had paid out plenty on ! He was by no means the only one-- and I am certain many others simple deny or do not admit what it has cost them.

 Over time -- and with the help of connections -- I learnt what was more likely to be real --or not !! Even an agreement to meet - is just that and nothing more . I made it a point of not getting too excited and just see what evolved. I have met a lot -- and I mean a lot over a period of time. For me --it was/is about it being the right girl-- and not just any or a girl!

I have become friends with a lot of girls I have met -- some now married and with children . I have met real life boyfriends,husbandsfamilies and friends . Some have moved to America,Canada,South Africa and various EU countries .

For me --that is just normal life . I love people and hearing about their lives.I think  being interested in other people  is sort of a key- and being sincere.It is not something you can learn or pretend.
Australians are by nature gregarious - and warm -- I think that helps a lot.

I have literally 1000"s of anecdotes from my journey - mostly good but also a few dramas too !




Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Sting23 on March 21, 2018, 01:38:53 AM
interesting stuff...I guess Ukraine is known for those sites and women can earn a good income.    I stay away from all those sites and just meet them in normal life encounters.

Having had both Aussie and British roommates, and also having been on tours and traveled with them I can say Aussies are certainly more laid back and know how to have fun!  I find their temperament much more similar to Canadians than British people.

Now the real question is did you get any dates with those girls once they figured out who you were? haha

Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: alex330 on March 21, 2018, 09:28:54 AM
A small example ( sorry Sash- I think I have told you this story previously!!) ---  It is good weather time in Odessa --  I head off to breakfast at a time most are still sleeping ( 7.30am ish) to a nice place om the main strip !

It all goes to my point --being out and about has the potential to create opportunities. At the very least -- watching people interact and go about their day can only help you understand more.

Don't think I had heard that one before  :)

Definitely agree on creating opportunities and people watching. Especially with the street cafes in Odesa when it is nice out. Those who have never been do not realize how good it is and how easy to meet women. My wife left me sitting alone on one last Spring while she ran some errands and several women initiated conversation while I was sitting there working on my laptop. They are inquisitive.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on March 21, 2018, 05:04:41 PM
interesting stuff...I guess Ukraine is known for those sites and women can earn a good income.    I stay away from all those sites and just meet them in normal life encounters.

Having had both Aussie and British roommates, and also having been on tours and traveled with them I can say Aussies are certainly more laid back and know how to have fun!  I find their temperament much more similar to Canadians than British people.

Now the real question is did you get any dates with those girls once they figured out who you were? haha

Often after meeting I have found out that they are on--or were at some time . Pretty girls are often approached by photographers -- with the aim to "recruit" them . It has been an extensive industry in Ukraine.Girls can be involved in very little-where their photos are used ( they may be paid for using) to where they do substantial online chat time personally.Many ,many girls have been involved in some form or another. Girls do not necessarily know the downside of agencies and websites.

Canadians do have a lot in common with Australians --over time I have had quite a few working for me  and I still hear from quite a few of them .

To your question--   yes -- I did socialise with a couple of those girls. Funnily enough --the girl who was coolest and that I interacted with least on that meeting -- later  proved  to be the closest and most enduring !
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on March 21, 2018, 05:23:48 PM
  While I am at it -- I  will add to the out & about meeting theory!
At the time this happened I had just entered an off period with my long term on/off Ukrainian lady  and was at a loose end on what to do next.
So -- I am sitting in McDonalds ( great WiFi & toilets !) - an easy place to be ! Now-- here is the kicker -- whenever in a cafe/restaurant or even McD's -- do not sit at a single seat or table situation-- if possible choose the largest possible !!
Why? Well- as soon as the place is full-- someone is going to ask to share with you  !! ;D

At McD's -- that has been everyone from young kids to Babushka's ! I have met numerous  people like that over a cross section of people.
On this occasion -- I was approached to use "my " table by an attractive youngish ( u-30) mother with 4 children in tow !  I indicated she was welcome and compacted my things on the table to make room.
It did not take long for her to start talking to me on discovering I spoke English etc  She had a great personality and was full of questions like"what was I doing there"? etc  I gave a very brief summary and the next minute she was on the phone .
She announced-- problem solved -her younger sister was on the way !!

So -- there ya go --it happens !  Now really -- who would choose to be stuck in an apartment so they can wash their own clothes--or cook ! No me- that is for certain !


Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on March 22, 2018, 05:15:17 AM
Thanks for responding, JayH


Mendy DID point out the 'uncomfortable' feeling that STILL puts off many FSU ladies from going up to a bedroom - but you seemed to gloss over it

It is THE main reason I'd not recommend the hotel route - esp. if on a Visit many trip


I fail to see how renting a decent apartment means one misses out on people watching in a restaurant, bar, theatre - and frankly - I'd rather wash my own clothes - but for those living in apartments one can pay to have a service wash


Nor have you dealt with the 'security' aspect of inviting a guest to your room - In Russia - esp. without a guest pass - NO WAY will you get a series of dates up there

In this age of booking.com/ airbnb - if *I* was back in the dating game - God forbid - I'd be using apartment for the reasons Mendy, myself and others have suggested.

 

 

Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: deccie on April 02, 2018, 08:17:38 PM
Again, Big Bill is correct on all counts.

Yup, I concur with Bill. It's how things worked with me.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on April 09, 2018, 10:08:33 AM
I'd rather wash my own clothes - but for those living in apartments one
can pay to have a service wash

I don't trust others not to shrink my long sleeve shirts.
Letting somebody else wash my clothes HAS cost me
hundreds of dollars before and it's not like I can go to
any shop and buy clothes especially in Europe because
I can't.

Even Angel eyes shrank some of my stuff when she first
moved in with me.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 10, 2018, 01:52:02 AM
I don't trust others not to shrink my long sleeve shirts. Letting somebody else wash my clothes HAS cost me hundreds of dollars before and it's not like I can go to any shop and buy clothes especially in Europe because I can't.

While I sympathise with your problem, why do you single out Europe?  I would agree if you said Asia, but there are many men in Europe who are as tall as (or taller than) you, and they have to buy their clothes somewhere.  Obviously it would be better if you didn't have to buy replacement items, but surely any decent-sized city in Europe is going to have at least one "big and tall" shop in case you need something in a hurry - even if it's only as a short-term solution.

Even Angel eyes shrank some of my stuff when she first moved in with me.

I did better than that - I shrank some of my wife's stuff, and she was NOT impressed! :-(
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on April 10, 2018, 09:16:47 PM
While I sympathise with your problem, why do you single out Europe?  I would agree if you said Asia, but there are many men in Europe who are as tall as (or taller than) you, and they have to buy their clothes somewhere.  Obviously it would be better if you didn't have to buy replacement items, but surely any decent-sized city in Europe is going to have at least one "big and tall" shop in case you need something in a hurry - even if it's only as a short-term solution.

I did better than that - I shrank some of my wife's stuff, and she was NOT impressed! :-(

Try finding a big and tall shop in Italy which is the last place where
a hotel washed my clothes. I'm big and tall in many places but I'm
a giant in Treviso Italy. (6' 7" 250 lbs, 201cm 113kg). I was in business
meetings about 12 hours per day and finding a big and tall shop when I
was done it was too difficult to contemplate. 

You're right, I shouldn't have said that about the entire continent.

Wouldn't want to be the one shrinking Angel Eyes things. I would
get keeeled!
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 15, 2018, 03:49:41 AM
Try finding a big and tall shop in Italy which is the last place where a hotel washed my clothes. I'm big and tall in many places but I'm a giant in Treviso Italy. (6' 7" 250 lbs, 201cm 113kg). I was in business meetings about 12 hours per day and finding a big and tall shop when I was done it was too difficult to contemplate.

Now that you've clarified the scheduling situation it makes a bit more sense.  :o
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Arti99 on July 19, 2018, 11:24:59 AM
You are right. We must not offend people or share them in relation to origins or country, each one is free of his thoughts and everyone can defend his homeland without attacking others.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on January 11, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
I quoted this from another thread

Omg :)
 Why did you choose the hotel?? Modern and most expensive apartments of $ 30-40 per day.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on January 11, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
I am strongly in favor of apartments for 'normal' visits of several days or more.

However, James was going for a 'last minute' place to stay just for a couple of days at end of a long trip.

So in that situation, I think the hotel in central location was a good choice as he doesn't have to spend time learning bus and Metro routes, finding grocery stores, etc.

If he comes across a gal who really wants to screw . . . then they will be sure to find someplace for the event.

A corner spot in a crowded Metro will even suffice, if she wears appropriate clothing.

Prisoner's get it done through chain link fences with willing wives/girlfriends.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: The Natural on January 11, 2019, 12:09:53 PM
If he comes across a gal who really wants to screw . . . then they will be sure to find someplace for the event.

A corner spot in a crowded Metro will even suffice, if she wears appropriate clothing.


In such a situation it will be a plus to be an American. There are numerous movies that document how Americans manage to have great sex while fully clothed.
Title: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: 2tallbill on January 11, 2019, 12:18:44 PM
If he comes across a gal who really wants to screw . . . then they will be sure to find someplace for the event.

A corner spot in a crowded Metro will even suffice, if she wears appropriate clothing.

Prisoner's get it done through chain link fences with willing wives/girlfriends.

If there is a will there is a way, but all you have to do with the Hotel is to go to the
front desk and pay the extra fee for an extra guest.

I copied  Vi.Ria's quote here to get her opinion on the subject in general, not necessarily
on the JUJ's personal situation and timeline.

Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Franco Rey on April 01, 2019, 04:06:24 AM

If the girl likes you... I don't see why she would not stay in a hotel or an apartment...

The point is you should talk to her,, make plans together...


Maybe that makes more sense, yeah. I'll do that. Ask her what does she think, and then decide according to her own thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: iolanik on June 05, 2019, 09:57:44 AM
I'm joining this thread late and my apologies if I am repeating what has already been said. In a nutshell:

1) The preference btwn hotel and apt is purely personal. I stayed at an apt bc it was cheaper and closer to the center of town. The person who arranged it was a guy I was referred to in St. Pete and came with references from former members. You can save a lot by going with apt and also the lady whose apt I was renting offered to come and make me breakfast each morning and do my laundry!

2) An apt can also be dangerous. Remember the golden rule. NEVER, EVER, answer or open your door for anyone unless it is someone you know (host, owner, your girl, etc)

3) Hotels can also be dangerous unless you are staying in a 4-5 star international hotel that has good security. If there are a swath of hoes sitting in the lounge, you can pretty much nix that hotel. One hotel in St. Pete I looked at moving to had at least 20 women sitting in the lobby all together on sofas and it was pretty clear they were hoes. How do I know? Guys were coming up to them, putting their hands up their dresses, grabbing their tits, etc. The only thing that disgusted me was that this was happening to the FAT, UGLY ones.

4) DO NOT EXPECT your girl to spend the night with you unless you have agreed in advance she will be staying in the same room with you and DO NOT EXPECT her to drop the panties the first night. If it happens, great, but dont go in with expectations she's gonna give it up the moment she sees you for the first time. It is best to work out details with her about accommodations if you are not visiting her hometown and if youre both meeting in a neutral city. Sharing a room with 2 beds, separate rooms, etc.

5) ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP PLAN/ OPTION B: Let's face it, she may NOT be the one or she may NOT like you and just walk away. You've spent a lot of $$$ and took time off work to make this trip. It is best to write to different girls and while you dont have to tell them you're coming to their town, IT IS BEST TO HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN. Back in 2000 some of the guys told me about this since I was making a trip to see a girl I had been corresponding with for months. Needless to say she was a trainwreck and quite frankly, a F*CKING Biyyyatttch. So I had a backup plan in Moscow that I was going to see in a week (1 week in St. Pete, 1 week in Moscow) I advanced the moscow plan but that ulitmately blew up in my face yrs later.
The Moral of the story:  DONT PUT YOUR EGGS INTO 1 BASKET. SET UP A TRIP TO SEE MULTIPLE GIRLS BC YOU HAVE A LOT VESTED IN THIS PROCESS. SPLIT YOUR TIME UP IN 2 DIFFERENT CITIES.  If things work out great with plan A, then take her to the 2nd city of your trip as a little travel time together. If it DOESNT WORK OUT, you have a backup plan for success.

BEST OF LUCK GUYS!!!
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on June 05, 2019, 10:53:41 AM
You can save a lot by going with apt and also the lady whose apt I was renting offered to come and make me breakfast each morning and do my laundry!

Two different experiences I had with apartments in Russia.

1) The advertisement said:  "Housewife included."  Probably meant: Housecleaning included.

2) The advertisement said: "Weekly housecleaning is provided.  You can talk to them directly about sex."
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on June 05, 2019, 10:56:45 AM

2) An apt can also be dangerous. Remember the golden rule. NEVER, EVER, answer or open your door for anyone unless it is someone you know (host, owner, your girl, etc)

I had just gotten settled into my SPb apartment when someone started knocking incessantly on door.

I never answered.

Next day, found out from an English speaking neighbor:  It was only the Seventh Day Adventists.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on June 05, 2019, 10:58:01 AM
4)  DO NOT EXPECT her to drop the panties the first night.

Bad sign if she is wearing panties !!!
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 08:25:16 AM
I'm joining this thread late


Judging by what you wrote at least a decade late ! ;)

Have you heard that airbnb and booking.com are in the FSU ?   

Don't get me started on things like VM v VO  ...  that's is a matter of preference

A hotel - especially in Russia - is a DAFT thing if you're doing a VM ..think about it ... security ..different woman coming an going ...

Unlike a hotel - you'll be lucky to invite a lass up to your room - or for her not to be stopped by security


As you the 'rule' ML picked up on ..   I met my 'mussus five years ago ,, we skyped - a lot - before we met in person .. I only went to visit her - 'no back up plan' and I stayed at her place...  She had two double beds ..

As to whether one ever got slept in ...   

 




Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 08:43:35 AM
I've done both
apartments and Hotel

I never had problems with security at Hotels in Kyiv
I always stay at the Dnipro Hotel top floor suite
tip the head doorman, and you can do whatever the hell you want....
everything in Ukraine operates this way

you have no idea of the headaches I've seen others have
that could've been solved by a little present
but baksheesh is not part of American culture, so people don't get it



Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 09:29:29 AM
Hi Krimster

The clue re 'problems' at hotels with different ladies arriving was specifically referring to FAR more security minded.. RUSSIA )

When was the last time to stayed in Ukraine and had different non family ladies arriving....?

OMG...  I cannot believe I asked that...))
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 10:08:41 AM
I will be in Moscow with my oldest daughter this August, the two of us will be staying in a suite at Four Seasons, I'll let you know how it goes
last year my whole family spent a week in Moscow after our return from Krim
my wife picked that hotel, Radisson, kinda mid-range, a frugal Russian woman, my wife...
yup, ooh-cry-eena is always much more laid back then roos-see-ya
I am related to Odessa gangsters, so I know how to roll in my ancestral homeland just like they did
whether in Russia or Ukraine I know EXACTLY how to talk and behave with cops, doormen, security guards and get whatever I need with minimum hassle, and they will be smiling when I depart
I NEVER have THOSE kinds of problems there...

it's a different "life-style" apartment vrs hotel
there are times that I'd prefer one over the other
hotels are convenient, provide more family friendly amenities and safey especially for a family
apartments provide more freedom, and maybe location
for example, I like to rent apartments in Arkadia that are overlooking the chorny moira
when I go to Odessa instead of a hotel

 





Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on June 06, 2019, 01:04:12 PM
I will be in Moscow with my oldest daughter this August, the two of us will be staying in a suite at Four Seasons, I'll let you know how it goes


Please do - are you really going to let your daughter be the 'date' for this experiment ;) ? 

When  we go to posh  Hotels in RU for New Year Year - security in REALLY tight - each guest having a pass key linked to their passport and photo
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: GQBlues on June 06, 2019, 01:25:54 PM
...A hotel - especially in Russia - is a DAFT thing if you're doing a VM ..think about it ... security ..different woman coming an going ...

Unlike a hotel - you'll be lucky to invite a lass up to your room - or for her not to be stopped by security..


LMAO.  Did this very thing in Moscow (Marriott-Tverskaya) and never had a problem. I never understand people displaying their personal limitation on others as though it's *everyone's* reality.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: krimster2 on June 06, 2019, 01:32:43 PM
"Please do - are you really going to let your daughter be the 'date' for this experiment ;) ?  "

no, she doesn't like it when I do that!!!
she let me one time, pretend to be my wife in the supermarket, and I totally freaked these guys out!!!
for those who don't know, I have a daughter who's about to turn 18, who speaks fluent Russian (and English) and who is 5' 10"
so she did a fake Russian accent (copied her mom) and I cat fished a group of rednecks into thinking she was my wife
I did it spontaneously, and she played along, good sport that she is
they weren't convinced we were married until we showed them our driver's license's with the same last name
you shoulda seen the looks on their faces, cuz I'm a 60 yr old dewd
I can promise you every single one of these geniuses voted for Trump
you CAN fool all of the people all of the time, at least these people...
and it's such bloody good fun

Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: iolanik on June 07, 2019, 02:44:04 PM
Bad sign if she is wearing panties !!!

Crazy Mofo! LMAO! I got a good laugh from those responses braddah!
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on June 11, 2019, 04:41:02 AM

LMAO! Why don't you have another instead? 

STILL suggesting it is *I* that drinks too much booze, rather than dealing with the question - WHEN were you last over in the FSU to 'know' ...?


Moscow would have a far more progressive attitude these days than it did back then. Think, man.

Unlike you - we DO use Moscow hotels and apartments - on stop-overs to/from  Sochi or the far east ( as well as hotels  in Novosibirsk / Sochi / and on roadtrips to . from Russia ..)



Whoosh irony missed alert ..;) ..

And you *think* Trenchcoat is stupid.  :P

STUPID is commenting on things you ain't doing or haven't done in an 'eon'
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: krimster2 on June 11, 2019, 11:25:15 AM
my LAST trip to MOSCOW,
was LESS than a year ago,
visa entry stamp enclosed...

my next is in less than two months...
as the Four Seasons Cocktail Hour rolls 'round
I will be just one more middle aged gentleman
in a Louis Vuitton suit
sitting with a stunningly beautiful young woman
but I will be the only one
with the daughter...
so everyone will wink at me...
do I mind the terrible inconvenience and emotional discomfort this causes?

they do have "face control" not only at Four Seasons, but all elitny locations in Moscow
but that won't be a problem
my daughter only knows about Face Control from second hand sources
she's never experienced it herself
Russian men's jaws all hit the floor when they see her
and I can then ride in on her coattails and coast in behind her wake!
while fending off any overly enthusiastic contact from malchiky

she's been practicing public speaking (in Russian)
about how organizations that help the disabled in Russia and America
can work together
We'll be in Moscow City Center

and if you guys are thinking this is some kinda ruble-to-bitcoin bitcoin-to-dollar thing...??
well, you're just SO cynical...
someone must have REALLY HURT YOU severely as a child for you to be like this...







Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: treddie on January 04, 2020, 03:55:22 PM
I will add my opinion here, based on my experience. It's probably best to try both and see what works for you. Each can have advantages, depending on the situation.

I stayed in hotels, on my first visit. It was comfortable and nice to have help from the hotel staff. For me, it was a good way to get started and become more familiar with the culture and environment.

After that, I tried apartments (using AirBnB). While hotel rooms are nice, there is nothing to do in a hotel room and I think most people feel that way. Understandably, the girl wanted to stay in the lobby or outside, if I needed to stop at the hotel. When I had an apartment, it was easy to get her to come up. We could spend time together watching a movie, having tea, etc. It felt more like "normal" dating, when we were able to spend some private time together.

For someone just starting out, I might suggest going with hotels until they feel confident and then to try an apartment. Hotels feel safer (to me) and with modern services, apartments are easy to get.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: ML on January 04, 2020, 05:23:08 PM
my LAST trip to MOSCOW,
was LESS than a year ago,
visa entry stamp enclosed...


As I read the Visa stamp . . . you went in the year of 1677.

Were ink stamps even invented yet ??
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 04, 2020, 06:00:41 PM
As I read the Visa stamp . . . you went in the year of 1677.

Were ink stamps even invented yet ??

His time  travel is becoming legendary -- eg photo of girl  with iphone model that was released years after Krim supposed association !! :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: rwd123 on January 04, 2020, 08:08:18 PM
As I read the Visa stamp . . . you went in the year of 1677.

Were ink stamps even invented yet ??
Haha very good. I assume that's the number of the immigration official.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 04, 2020, 11:20:35 PM


LMAO.  Did this very thing in Moscow (Marriott-Tverskaya) and never had a problem. I never understand people displaying their personal limitation on others as though it's *everyone's* reality.

GQB proves its probably been 15 years since he's BEEN in a RU hotel  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: LAman on January 04, 2020, 11:33:19 PM
GQB proves its probably been 15 years since he's BEEN in a RU hotel  :popcorn:




I agree with GQ, been doing it for years. In fact on current trip, I normally use hotels in Russia, the girl(s)have no problem coming up to my room, security says nothing to them!! But what do I know. Of course, I wouldn't invite a girl I don't know well.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 04, 2020, 11:48:34 PM



I agree with GQ, been doing it for years. In fact on current trip, I normally use hotels in Russia, the girl(s)have no problem coming up to my room, security says nothing to them!! But what do I know. Of course, I wouldn't invite a girl I don't know well.

What we know is that LAMan is choosing low class hotels - without security .. ;)

We stay at hotels when celebrating New Year or travelling together in RU and one is issued with a pass on check-in and must pass through reception and security to get to the lift. Many of them have photo id that show up as you scan in and then there's the notion of many RU ladies that they do NOT want to be stopped by security / questioned and thought of as 'prostitutes'..


LAMan... what DO you 'know' ?


Hence someone who has spent  considerably more time in Russia ( sometimes half the year)  saying - book an apartment -every time - unless a total novice and lacking any RU lang skills ..






Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: Omega82 on January 04, 2020, 11:50:39 PM



I agree with GQ, been doing it for years. In fact on current trip, I normally use hotels in Russia, the girl(s)have no problem coming up to my room, security says nothing to them!! But what do I know. Of course, I wouldn't invite a girl I don't know well.

If the hotel has a safe for valuables, why wouldn't you invite a woman you don't know well?  What could she do? 

sometimes you meet the woman while traveling and want to have some fun. 
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: LAman on January 05, 2020, 12:11:40 AM
If the hotel has a safe for valuables, why wouldn't you invite a woman you don't know well?  What could she do? 

sometimes you meet the woman while traveling and want to have some fun.


First, if I don't know a woman well, best to not to ask up( she might think you are sex tourist).
If you both want to have fun, go up to the room. Most hotels do have a safe. I have this picture of a girl leaving early with your wallet!!!
There are some hotels which you need provide a hotel card to go up.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: LAman on January 05, 2020, 12:16:10 AM
What we know is that LAMan is choosing low class hotels - without security .. ;)

We stay at hotels when celebrating New Year or travelling together in RU and one is issued with a pass on check-in and must pass through reception and security to get to the lift. Many of them have photo id that show up as you scan in and then there's the notion of many RU ladies that they do NOT want to be stopped by security / questioned and thought of as 'prostitutes'..


LAMan... what DO you 'know' ?


Hence someone who has spent  considerably more time in Russia ( sometimes half the year)  saying - book an apartment -every time - unless a total novice and lacking any RU lang skills ..


Geez, I forgot to bow down to you... the know it all.
Nobody has any experience in your eyes.
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 05, 2020, 12:23:19 AM

Geez, I forgot to bow down to you... the know it all.
Nobody has any experience in your eyes.

Don't be daft, LAMan..I'm simply pointing out that I've stayed in a LOT more RU hotels in a lot of RU cities and have much more experience of life in Russia ...

Your 'advice' is misleading and incorrect
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 05, 2020, 01:09:48 AM

For someone just starting out, I might suggest going with hotels until they feel confident and then to try an apartment. Hotels feel safer (to me) and with modern services, apartments are easy to get.

Exactly -- see my comments earlier in thread.


I agree with GQ, been doing it for years. In fact on current trip, I normally use hotels in Russia, the girl(s)have no problem coming up to my room, security says nothing to them!! But what do I know. Of course, I wouldn't invite a girl I don't know well.
And along comes -- the know nothing next=
What we know is that LAMan is choosing low class hotels - without security .. ;)

We stay at hotels when celebrating New Year or travelling together in RU and one is issued with a pass on check-in and must pass through reception and security to get to the lift. Many of them have photo id that show up as you scan in and then there's the notion of many RU ladies that they do NOT want to be stopped by security / questioned and thought of as 'prostitutes'..

LAMan... what DO you 'know' ?

Hence someone who has spent  considerably more time in Russia ( sometimes half the year)  saying - book an apartment -every time - unless a total novice and lacking any RU lang skills ..


Ahh -- the Moby knows best way again !
How do you think your lies will stand up when you are challenged to prove the time you say you spend in RU ?  What we did see is you stiff $6.92  out of Maxx  and  you stayed nowhere near a hotel !

I had to reply here about something that just happened in conversation with my lady last night-- she initiated this when we were discussing planning for the year ahead --and it went basically like this -- " bigger hotels are LESS hastle" ( for her) with more people around and of course being more used to a greater diversity of clients !

That is diametrically opposed to the Moby offering above !

The problem Moby has ( that should be the 1000+ problems) is that he is incapable of understanding others have considerable on the ground( & current) exposure to relevant issues  -- there is no ONE way to do most things -- and hammering away at  any and everyone that posts differently is not helping ANYONE.

But then the actual issue for Moby-- is for the thread to be diverted to be about him -- and not any issue as such :deadhorse:


Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 05, 2020, 11:54:40 PM
JayH

In 2017 - the longest time in RU in one calendar year -  I spent  179 days out of 365. ...180 permitted there.. The simplest check in my TRs could back that up...

Other years ..2016... 156

2015 .. 117

I have RU multiple entry biz visas with stamps in and out and in Dec 2017 I had to get out of RU as although my visa was good re expiry dates....I discovered I was near the max allowed in a year.and that 90 day out of 180 period.

This is documented in my drive to and from Sochi in Nov/ Dec 2017 on this very board...

YOU...do not go to Russia and if you latest lass has experience of sharing hotel rooms with different partners when it was only booked for her...who am I to 'doubt' her ?))

IF you EVER paused to 'think'..you'd find threads become about 'me' when clueless folk post utter twaddle and try to make it personal by suggesting 'lack of veracity' or bringing up a much altered event ( in their minds) from the dubious 'recollections' of a 'debtor'...

If you wish to continue to suggest to less familiar members - hoping to entertain a guest of their choice in a hotel - then they will not be thanking you if the object of their desire 'gracefully declines '..

THIS poster has experience of this...at the Nadezhda Hotel, nr Gelendzhik on the Black Sea... ..when I failed to listen to the suggestion ( of the RU lady)  to book an apart hotel / apartment.

The snog in the car did not progress and it was only when madam visited me in my place in my country that my thinking she might be 'frigid' (!) dissipated... and I asked after what had changed...

Being challenged by security is a bit of a moment spoiler...


So, there you go....You can trust JayH with his reputation for 'accuracy' on places he doesn't go to anymore ...and risk spoiling a potential happy ending.....or...




Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: JayH on January 06, 2020, 01:41:00 AM
Like I said  :deadhorse: :cluebat: ;D
Title: Re: Apartments Versus Hotels
Post by: msmob on January 06, 2020, 02:01:05 AM
You are busted, as usual, JayH..

Stick to topics you have actual experience of in places you go to and quit telling folks they haven't been to places when and where they state they have..

May be YOU feel the need to fabricate your movements to try to prove a poInt...

In the case of my visiting RU I use my UK passport..Irish for UA.. and it is still current..

Be a good chap...Don't post shyte advice about places you cannot have a clue about...