Lawsuit Against Anastasia Date I Believe I Can Win

[LAman]

This is what happens to men who make bad/poor choices.
When they get dumped....the scammed word comes out and they cry wolf. Same story over and over.
Dude, you won't be the first or the last.....as long as there are men ready to fork out $$$ for the presence of gorgeous women.
BTW, terps work for girl's agency. There are so many layers involved it's nearly impossible to get at Anastasia and they got plenty of high powered lawyers....good luck, you'll need it....

[mendeleyev]

 

They want your wallet and that's it.

Wow, where to start?

You made some dumb moves and are angry. I made dumb mistakes in college too. So, there we're on the same footing.

You might meet their family (because they're in on it too), but you will never meet their group of friends.

Scammers are rare and even more rare is the scammer who will allow you to meet her family. Smart guys take time, make multiple trips to her hometown, and get to know not just her family but her friends. Sounds like you didn't complete the process.

But the most rare is a scammer who will have sex with you. I've never heard of that before. Scammers typically scam you before you arrive and most don't want you to know who they really are or about their families. Having sex is just bizarre behaviour for a scammer.

Are you sure you had sex?

I must tell you that as someone who has an FSU family, with grown children and with cousins and uncles and aunts, etc, your tone about "them" and "their families" is offensive to me. It is just as bad as those who think all Americans fart while walking or that all Brits have bad teeth. 

Okay, bad example about the teeth. They're horrid. Perhaps this one will work: ...that all British food is boring.

Wait, another bad example. It is boring. Shall we try..."that all Brits drive on the wrong side of the road."

[Ade]

Assuming this even happened at all it's pretty damn obvious why a woman would drop this dude.   

[Chelseaboy]

Yes Mendeleyev,
                             Bit like saying the Americans still think they're living in the wild west and are gun happy eh ?
 
Oh wait,thirty thousand deaths there a year through firearms..guess that's a bad example then.
 
By the way plenty of pro daters do meet men,that's how they scam them,and they are not rare at all,certainly in Ukraine.

[Anotherkiwi]

Technically, you're wrong AK. The laws within the country of citizenship, in this case a US citizen, have the judicial authority over that citizen even if any alleged misdeed happened on foreign soil.

Huh?  So you're telling me that the American tourist who gets arrested for shoplifting in Auckland is going to be charged under US law?  Give me a break!!!
 

While sex with a minor can have different labeling to define it as a criminal misconduct, it still falls under the US Justice department to determine whether or not a crime is committed, and if so, can be punishable for up to 30 years imprisonment.

Just maybe, if the two countries involved have a reciprocal arrangement concerning certain crimes (e.g. Thailand and Australia with child prostitution), you might be right.  Otherwise, if you break the law in a country that's not your own, you do so at your own risk (think "Midnight Express").  The only help my country will provide if I break the law in another country is (possibly) arranging consular visits and legal representation, and that is as it should be.  Luckily for me, I haven't broken any foreign laws that I'm aware of, and have no intention of doing so in the future.

[mies]

What does being scam savvy have anything to do with this post? I did not order a prostitute, and that's what I got. She was the most beautiful girl naked I've ever seen if that makes you anymore of a hater.

I wonder if this girl can open a lawsuit against you for defamation of her character publicly on internet. Really beautiful girls in Odesa, if they work as prostitutes, and if they are so young, earn hundreds of $$ per hour. How much do you expect an interpreter "paid" her to date you? $5/hour? Are you out of your mind thinking that a really beautiful 18yo would agree to get naked/have sex with a guy for $5/hour?
So you dated a girl, then she rejected you, and you start calling her a prostitute on public forum. A man who shows high class.
I'm glad she dumped you because you clearly didn't deserve her. You know how the saying goes: "sometimes age comes alone."

[mies]

A law suit?
...

In addition to all of the above, if the OP will prevail in court and successfully prove that the girl is in fact a prostitute, he may be charged with procuring a prostitute. 

[mies]

I also would like to see lawsuits brought against and won against these type of operations.

I have never dealt with any such operation, but the thought that they are there and sucking money from anyone really disgusts me.

However, an even more needed endeavor is to develop a drug (or some such) that can prevent men from being completely stupid when it comes to pussy.

I am completely crazy about pussy; but I don't take stupid actions (as described by the OP and many others who have passed through here) because of it.

Where are the drug researchers when we need them???

Lucky are the females, who never have this special form of stupidity with respect to the male 'member.'

This drug has been long discovered. It dulls the sexual interest in men, and problem of temporary/partial cognitive malfunction is solved.

[mies]

You need to be careful are you sure she was not 17 years.  You mentioned 18 but if she is 17 you maybe going to jail dpending on where you bring this to court.  The fact she had sex with says she kind of liked you.

Exactly.

[mies]

I wanted someone younger because I didn't want to get married when I first met her. I wanted her to be 25 and me be 35 when I would bring her to the States.

Aha. I see. A completely crazy delusional man. Starts "dating" a 18yo so that he doesn't need to marry her in the first 7 years of their relationship, and expects the young girl to trash the most wonderful years of her life "dating" long-distance a ... 10 years her senior guy (sorry, I can't use on this forum the terms that come to my mind when I think about your behavior).

[mies]

$20 an hour  (for interpreter) is wayyyy too much.

So how much you think is an appropriate compensation for the work of English-Ukrainian synchronous interpreter?

[mies]

Maybe about 2k. The point is that these girls are being paid, and I have proof. Should nothing be done? It's so funny that 3 months later, after we met in Odessa, she magically became fluent in English enough to talk on the phone...

2K? for 3 years of dating a girl? And you are saying you "spoiled" her? 

As for learning English, I got from level "0" to "advanced beginners-intermediate" in about 2 months.
 

[mies]

Why?  The age of consent in Ukraine is 16, so he hasn't broken any law there unless she was actually 15 or less (which seems highly unlikely given that he has supplied her actual date of birth).  The discussions that have taken place here relating to US laws about "grooming" an under-age girl by email hardly seem relevant in this case.

You are wrong. There is no such term per ce as the "age of consent" in Ukraine. The law distinguishes between sex with the major, and sex with the minor. The age of majority in Ukraine is 18. Check wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

Also, something doesn't add up in the OPs story when he talks about girl's age.
He says when he met her - she lived in Odessa. (doing what?)
After he met her - she moved to Kyiv to study acting in the college.
Students in Ukraine go to college after they graduate from high school. 99.99% of all teenagers in Ukraine graduate high school when they are 17, and enter the college/university the same year. They may skip a year if they weren't admitted to the school, but in case of the "acting college" in Kyiv - it's not a very likely scenario, because to get into that college it's sufficient to be able to pay tuition.
If, supposedly, the OP met the girl after the high school but before the college, my guess is that she were 17, not 18. If she were 18 - i wonder didn't she go to college right after graduating from high school.

[mies]

So you met a gal who eventually found a good means of livelihood for herself in Ukraine and thus ended her relationship with you.

So, like a kid who never gets to go out enough, you post her picture on a thread with implicating message of mischief and alleged illegal activity.

Does it really hurt you that much when you try to think, man?

He found an 18yo (or possibly even 17yo) and 9 years his junior gal, whom he was tagging along for 3 years hoping he would be able to continue tagging her along for 4 more years. But after 3 years of such "relationship" she realized that the OP is not exactly the marriage material and dumped him on the pretext of her "career" in Ukraine. That's what happened.

Then the OP comes to online public forum and calls her publicly a prostitute, with all personal information included (name, dog's name, DOB, city of origin, profession, college where she studies, her place of work etc) and photos. That's the lowest of the lowest behavior a man can sink to. Really. But the OP decides to sink even lower than that and wants to open a lawsuit and get financially compensated for what he "suffered." CBStonger, what do you think would be an appropriate "damages compensation" to you?

"Your honor, she had the most beautiful naked body I ever seen, and I suffered tremendously every intimate minute with her."

[mies]

I'm think I am looking at it from the view of how many of us they are scamming. Maybe it needs to be a class action lawsuit. I don't know, I'm not and attorney.

Looking at the "bigger picture" of who is truly a victim in this story, when I read stories like yours I think Ukraine should get a visa regime with Western World, and the guys like you should be put on the visa ban list so that they can never enter the country again once they shown their true character.

[mies]

Assuming this even happened at all it's pretty damn obvious why a woman would drop this dude. 

agree fully.

[GQBlues]

Huh?  So you're telling me that the American tourist who gets arrested for shoplifting in Auckland is going to be charged under US law?  Give me a break!!!...

Pull an extreme sample to make your point, why don't you.  But yes, any American traveling abroad is not only liable for crime he committed in that particular country....http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/emergencies/arrest/arrest_3879.html , but can also be held liable under the judicial definition of the US. Especially when it deals with sex tourism with a minor. The tolerance level for that stupidity is incredibly low. http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1210/121017washingtondc.htm


Our current hero here, if there's even an ounce of truth with his silly defamatory statement, could in fact be liable for child sex tourism. Like mies said, he could possibly be faced with prostitution procurement of a minor, if not sexually engaging with a minor  in exchange for money.

[TS]

If you want proof, I have tons of proof that local agencies in Ukraine pay girls to meet men.  I know several girsl who worked for agencies who would say this.  But what crime is Anastia or the local agency committing? Do not see any court having a problem with what there doing.  If men really think model looking women are sitting around on the internet writing letters and online chatting for free, you have to be kidding.  If model looking women are willing to meet non rich men who are not attractive, you have to be kidding me as well.
It happens all the time - young Ukraine woman needs money and friends tell her she can earn a nice living while going to university and all she has to do is see some men couple times a week and if any are attractive or rich men she can take it further. She can also date several at the same time plus have meetings with other.  Sounds like a good deal for a young lady who needs money and does not want to be a sex escort.
In the OP case the fact he met her family tells me she was serious but like most young women she found something better once she was no longer a teenager.  The OP met this lady when she was a teenager.  Teenagers are not the best marriage material.
The OP should focus on women 28 -32 years old as better marriage material if he wants kids.
 

[cbstogner]

Wow, there are so many American haters on this board is unbelievable. I can't help that my butt is grabbed, girls are constantly winking at me, and the majority want to have sex with me because they enjoy my country's music and movie entertainment. Yes, attractive, young, american men are treated like rock stars in your country. Not to mention if I met you soviet men in person, you would probably be buying me a drink and asking me which girl I want for the night, but before that, your hand would start shaking as try to shake mine to you introduce yourself after hearing my american english and accent.... Feel better now?

The girl was 18. May 5, 1992 and it's clearly posted on vk.com profile. You all don't really seem to get the point. I have uncovered proof that Anastasia is a 100% scam. You've probably been victim of the same yourself.

After I got back home, she emailed me asking for money and I told he that since she wasn't my wife, I wasn't going to treat her as we were married. Plus, I get girls with her looks back here at home, so I wasn't willing to pay for it. She waited around for her birthday for me to send an expensive gift, but the $200 I sent was not enough. She then ignored me until I sent $500 more. I paid this because at this time my heart was involved. Every time we would meet there was a gift that she wanted. So, yes, she was a pro-dater at the very least, and yes her mother is behind it.

I got her kicked off Anastasia after she said, "you're a gentlemen, here's the truth, I don't want to move to the USA." I denied that it was me and the relationship continued until I just caught her red handed that she was only seeing me when I came to Ukraine for gifts and dinners from all that her mother was posting. She knew that would stop if she did not put out. She wouldn't be with you if you were old and or ugly, no matter how much money you had, but she did want to financially gain from the relationship, which is wrong. That's why she stuck with me, not to mention I am from the most powerful country in the world, period.

[cbstogner]

TS, this still works because it's what happend in the 90's and word got around. They're trying to still say that beautiful girls will marry you just to get out of the country. They don't want to leave!

[LiveFromUkraine]

Just maybe, if the two countries involved have a reciprocal arrangement concerning certain crimes (e.g. Thailand and Australia with child prostitution), you might be right.  Otherwise, if you break the law in a country that's not your own, you do so at your own risk (think "Midnight Express").  The only help my country will provide if I break the law in another country is (possibly) arranging consular visits and legal representation, and that is as it should be.  Luckily for me, I haven't broken any foreign laws that I'm aware of, and have no intention of doing so in the future.

The US decided it was time to prosecute old guys when they go to foreign countries in order to have sex with kids. 


Even if it was legal in those countries.


For prostitution, they have to be at least 18 years of age no matter what the foreign country's law.


For non-prostitution, I believe they have to be at least 16 years (they should have raised it to 18) of age no matter what the foreign country's law.


I think this is a good thing.  Too many US citizens where going to other countries and doing bad stuff. 

[TS]

I married my wife in Ukraine when I worked there and she left Ukraine for USA.  I have been trying for a long time to go back and live in Ukraine or Russia but she likes the USA.  We know a lot of RW who have married AM - so they will leave country.  But we also know most end up in divorce because you really need to know someone before marriage and most men do not do this. 
I know a lot about the marriage agencies as I know several owners personally and agency workers. I do agree they advertise all these young RW like foreign men and RM are horrible.  My advise on agencies use them only to meet English speaking women over 28 years old.  Never write letters or online chat.  The only cost you should ever pay an agency is $50 to meet a lady you like over 28 years old and speaks English.  Now if you speak Russian you can meet the Russian speaking ladies. 
I spoke Russian pretty good when I met my wife as I started learning it in the 1990's several years before ever going to former Soviet Union.  My wife would have never married me if I did not speak Russian.
 
 

[LiveFromUkraine]

Wow, there are so many American haters on this board is unbelievable. I can't help that my butt is grabbed, girls are constantly winking at me, and the majority want to have sex with me because they enjoy my country's music and movie entertainment. Yes, attractive, young, american men are treated like rock stars in your country. Not to mention if I met you soviet men in person, you would probably be buying me a drink and asking me which girl I want for the night, but before that, your hand would start shaking as try to shake mine to you introduce yourself after hearing my american english and accent.... Feel better now?

The girl was 18. May 5, 1992 and it's clearly posted on vk.com profile. You all don't really seem to get the point. I have uncovered proof that Anastasia is a 100% scam. You've probably been victim of the same yourself.

After I got back home, she emailed me asking for money and I told he that since she wasn't my wife, I wasn't going to treat her as we were married. Plus, I get girls with her looks back here at home, so I wasn't willing to pay for it. She waited around for her birthday for me to send an expensive gift, but the $200 I sent was not enough. She then ignored me until I sent $500 more. I paid this because at this time my heart was involved. Every time we would meet there was a gift that she wanted. So, yes, she was a pro-dater at the very least, and yes her mother is behind it.

I got her kicked off Anastasia after she said, "you're a gentlemen, here's the truth, I don't want to move to the USA." I denied that it was me and the relationship continued until I just caught her red handed that she was only seeing me when I came to Ukraine for gifts and dinners from all that her mother was posting. She knew that would stop if she did not put out. She wouldn't be with you if you were old and or ugly, no matter how much money you had, but she did want to financially gain from the relationship, which is wrong. That's why she stuck with me, not to mention I am from the most powerful country in the world, period.

Man, these types of posts never get old.  haha


I am still laughing at the rock star status you keep believing you had and then complain about them asking for money. 


You haven't really put two and two together yet.


Sorry, there is no American rock star status in Ukraine.   They weren't winking and grabbing your ass because you are this exotic being from another world.


You are exactly what the marriage agency has been making a lot of money on. 


Thanks for the laughs.   This is pure entertainment.   BTW, I am an American who lived in Ukraine.

Plus, I get girls with her looks back here at home, so I wasn't willing to pay for it.

You sure paid a lot of money as well as traveled a good ways only to date the same ole same ole.  haha

[cbstogner]

haha I am glad that you enjoy the entertainment, because I do enjoy telling my story and reliving it through memory. Dude, me and that girl fought so much, I would just meet up with her, hit it, and then go out partying. The fights were mostly about my suspicions of her scamming me.

I am sorry you're probably an older sorry american...

[cbstogner]

haha it got so bad that I would have fights with girls because they would see me taking home another girl the very next night lol