Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: Grumpy on October 15, 2023, 09:29:07 AM
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What is the ideal age to wed, in order to achieve happiness and marital success? Philosophers have weighed in on this. In his Politics, for example, Aristotle offered this advice: “It is fitting for the women to be married at about the age of eighteen and the men at thirty-seven or a little before.” Social scientists see it differently. A researcher at the Institute for Family Studies offered a more social-scientific estimate of the optimal age for getting hitched: 28 to 32 for both partners. This is the “sweet spot,” where divorce within the first five years of marriage is lowest.
The average age of marriage in the United States has been rising for years. In 1980, the average meant that a man married at 25, a woman at 22. Today, those numbers are 30 and 28, respectively.
http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/happiness-marriage-startups-mergers/675611/
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I think in some respects a bit of an age gap with the woman significantly younger than the man say 5 years plus may actually help. It avoids men getting into their 50s seeing that they are married to an old bag about the same age and not wanting to be in bed with her, wanting to dump her, etc. In their 50s men are usually at the height of their economic wealth, a lifetime of earnings behind them, the mortgage paid off on their house and work skills honed to help keep them in employment and earn well. All that wealth is highly desirable to many young women even if a divorce costs the guy half his house he's still way ahead than many twenty year old guys. The older woman in contrast her looks fading is often losing out on the hypergamy scale leading to the old saying from the guy of, 'trade her in for a younger model'. That is of course very unpleasant for the woman being ditched usually after the kids have grown up and moved out, if any, and with nowhere to go.
However, no guy in his fifties is likely to contemplate ditching his wife if she's say 10 years or so younger. She will still look good in comparison to him and so no need, usually. Once a guy gets into his 60s or older then most girls start losing interest unless he's mega wealthy and they are real gold diggers.
I think that was the real problem in the 90s on the UK when divorce became easier (responding to demand) and was rife. Too many people had married with the woman just 2-3 years or so younger than them, if that. We often still balk in the west as too a big age gap as if the guy is somewhat deluded (with western women maybe so) that she could be into him for anything other than wealth. But really I think that a larger age gap may be better for avoiding divorce.
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^This is the stupidest thing I have read here in some time.
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The age doesn't matter it's the mindset. If both want to make sure that it will work and are willing to work at it then it will work.
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If both want to make sure that it will work and are willing to work at it then it will work.
Succinctly and well put.
However, in many cases (including my own regarding first marriage) the time often comes when one or both parties do not want it to work (continue).
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I agree, the right time to marry, is when you feel you're ready
for me, it was age 40...
both my daughters happily married at age 20/21
I see the advantages of marrying young like they did
it wasn't an option for me...
when I was younger, I worked 7 day weeks and usually had no social life
and had a sub-prime dating experience compared to what I was used to
cuz I was too busy to really spend much time lookin
and no freakin way, was I gonna marry any of crazy women I met in California
it was only after I started my own company, that I had the time/money to invest in seeking a quality partner, without those two assets, I would've remained single
the problem with marriage and raising a family
is that for more and more people, it's just not financially viable now, and is worsening
and that leads to a lot of stress in the marriage, which fails as a result
my best advice to single dewds
learn how to make money, before you think about marriage
cuz you're gonna need a WHOLE bunch of it after you say "I DO"
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my best advice to single dewds
learn how to make money, before you think about marriage
cuz you're gonna need a WHOLE bunch of it after you say "I DO"
Exactly this. Your 20's are for learning how and making bank -- focusing on his own betterment and success. Most men don't hit their prime in that regard until their 30's. Marriage should be at the bottom of the list during the build your empire years.
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^This is the stupidest thing I have read here in some time.
Do I get an accolade for it? :D
You're not worried about Mr Boe are you? ;D
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You’re assuming I give any credence to your crackpot incel “theories”.
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I think in some respects a bit of an age gap with the woman significantly younger than the man say 5 years plus may actually help. It avoids men getting into their 50s seeing that they are married to an old bag about the same age and not wanting to be in bed with her, wanting to dump her, etc. In their 50s men are usually at the height of their economic wealth, a lifetime of earnings behind them, the mortgage paid off on their house and work skills honed to help keep them in employment and earn well. All that wealth is highly desirable to many young women even if a divorce costs the guy half his house he's still way ahead than many twenty year old guys. The older woman in contrast her looks fading is often losing out on the hypergamy scale leading to the old saying from the guy of, 'trade her in for a younger model'. That is of course very unpleasant for the woman being ditched usually after the kids have grown up and moved out, if any, and with nowhere to go.
However, no guy in his fifties is likely to contemplate ditching his wife if she's say 10 years or so
younger. She will still look good in comparison to him and so no need, usually. Once a guy gets
into his 60s or older then most girls start losing interest unless he's mega wealthy and they
are real gold diggers.
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Faulty assumptions followed by a hasty generalization/conclusions.
70 percent of divorces are brought on by women. Faulty assumption was that men getting tired
of their wives which leads to divorce,
Women bring on divorce. Trench starts making silly generalizations based on his f#cked up
assumptions.
I had a University buddy that took logic and received a D grade, so he took it again hoping
to improve upon it and received an F, Trench is his doppleganger. Nobody can read something
then falsely analyze or misinterpret the information more consistently than Trench.
2tallbills theories
The primary reason for divorce for second marriages is
1. Men marry feminists who read, listen to, and consume feminist garbage.
2. Men marry women that they love more than the woman loves them.
3. Men assume too much, project too much, do not accurately read,
then tend to overlook faults and character flaws that women have then
marry them anyway.
4. Men don't ask enough important life questions to a woman about her theories
on life and expectations AND they don't listen to the answers, read number 3
again.
5. Men do not effectively weed out women who don't fit them based on items 1 through 4.
The primary reasons for divorce from first marriages is
1. Men marry feminists who read, listen to, and consume feminist garbage.
2. Women don't know wtf they want or value when they are young.
3. Men marry women with character flaws or are flawed themselves.
None of this answers the original question.
Men should work on themselves maximizing their health, body, and earnings before
ever considering marriage. Only then to consider finding or pursuing a high character
woman. See Krim's post and Daveman's
I realize that still doesn't answer the question.
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No matter how hard you try to make the right choice . . . marriage is still a 'crap-shoot.'
People change; even as some basic characteristics might be constant.
Praying after marriage might be useful.
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Faulty assumptions followed by a hasty generalization/conclusions.
70 percent of divorces are brought on by women. Faulty assumption was that men getting tired
of their wives which leads to divorce,
Women bring on divorce. Trench starts making silly generalizations based on his f#cked up
assumptions.
I had a University buddy that took logic and received a D grade, so he took it again hoping
to improve upon it and received an F, Trench is his doppleganger. Nobody can read something
then falsely analyze or misinterpret the information more consistently than Trench.
2tallbills theories
The primary reason for divorce for second marriages is
1. Men marry feminists who read, listen to, and consume feminist garbage.
2. Men marry women that they love more than the woman loves them.
3. Men assume too much, project too much, do not accurately read,
then tend to overlook faults and character flaws that women have then
marry them anyway.
4. Men don't ask enough important life questions to a woman about her theories
on life and expectations AND they don't listen to the answers, read number 3
again.
5. Men do not effectively weed out women who don't fit them based on items 1 through 4.
The primary reasons for divorce from first marriages is
1. Men marry feminists who read, listen to, and consume feminist garbage.
2. Women don't know wtf they want or value when they are young.
3. Men marry women with character flaws or are flawed themselves.
None of this answers the original question.
Men should work on themselves maximizing their health, body, and earnings before
ever considering marriage. Only then to consider finding or pursuing a high character
woman. See Krim's post and Daveman's
I realize that still doesn't answer the question.
Lack of commitment is cited as the primary cause of marital breakdown. The second most common is infidelity. So, I disagree, rather vehemently, with your assertion that "feminism" is to blame, whatever that means.
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i'm not basing my opinion on other people's theories...
but solely on the marriages that i've personally seen fall apart
what I see is a lot of narcissisitic women who were unwilling to change their behavior after marriage
as a result, their husbands would perceive them as being excessively selfish and demanding
then both partners become dis-satisfied with each other and that leads to anger
and finally the end of the relationship
i've seen this over and over
especially with American women
good lookin American wimmin will havce MUCH bigger egos than good lookin' Ukrainian wimmin
so you don't have to pay the "Beautiful but Crazy" tax when you saddle-up over there
this is why "Imports" are so popular among the discerning few, such as your humble narrator
why would you pick a Chevy over a Lexus?
and once you go with THE BEST
you'll soon forget about THE REST
SLOVO!
all my American EX's ended up in multiple failed marriages...
marryin an american is like russian roulette
OTOH, a good ukrainian wife is worth her weight in gold
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One of my American cousins is divorced. Her husband was a nice guy, but an alcoholic. I believe his alcoholism was the cause of their divorce.
Most of the divorces I have seen were caused by infidelity. Usually by the man.
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I'm convinced the majority of divorces, which are statistically overwhelmingly initiated by women, is based on the fact she "settled" for a man because she couldn't tame the bad boys, or whatever, she was actually yearning for, then, of course, isn't "happy" in the situation.
Don't settle for being an option.
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good observation Daveman
i've seen that as well, American wimmin, if not married at age 30, will "settle" for some dewd that they met at work
and the longer they're married to this poor fool, the longer they're gonna hate him
until finally they divorce and his life is ruined
all my American ex-girlfriends went this route
and it would've been better to have been their dog, than their husband
I can't imagine what'd be like to be married to a shrew
and then once you end the marriage, she takes MORE than half of what you spent your whole life earning
so...
what I wanna point out to all you "dumb ass white boyz" out there
is the Law of Supply and Demand in the "dating Market" and how this factor relates to your success
being able to travel to a venue that has a shortage of "white boyz" is one of the few ways you dumb asses have of "gaming" the system in your favor, instead of against you, like it is in your home court, cuz of that BAD over supply of white boyz there...
ergo, a place with a low white boy count, will have a HIGHER demand for white boyz
I raise my glass and toast "to new venues and vistas"
Vinni Vicci
I am now content with the fruit in my own orchard
and have no need of travel now
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Not sure the supply really matters for men who do not make themselves the prize. . Eighty percent of women chase the same twenty percent of men. I think it's more like 90/10.Just going to a higher supply doesn't create shortcuts in the process. If you're not her prize it's going to go fubar at some point.
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the "prize" has elastic relative value
In silicon valley, you're just another upper-income, college educated, IT worker, one of a huge legion of them
but in Ukraine, YOU'RE A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN THAT!
you are the unique doorway to the gateway of a life in the west for an attractive Ukrainian girl
just like I need a sleeping dictionary in Uzbeckistan
Ukrainian women need the same for life in the west
it's a TOUGH JOB but someone's gotta do it
and it PAYS REALLY, REALLY WELL!!!
so my advice, cultivate the possibility of serving as a sleeping dictionary, for an ambitious ukrainian woman looking to move West
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the "prize" has elastic relative value
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I don't necessarily disagree with your post.
Perhaps prize isn't a good word. Maybe Prince?
Let's try it a different way...
When a woman is madly in love with you, you should absolutely see it in every aspect of her being/behavior (you've detailed this precisely in many of your posts). If you love her more than she loves you - you are an option. Perhaps a long term option but still an option. If she's madly in love with you she'll move heaven hell and earth for you.
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WW usually have the means to support themselves. So they don’t have to put up with crappy husbands.
FSUW/WM marriages have a higher failure rate than do WW/WM marriages. So the premise presented here is false.
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WW usually have the means to support themselves. So they don’t have to put up with crappy husbands.
Yes, and isn't this the reason for the increased divorce rate over the past several decades?
I think I read that women file the majority of divorce cases in USA.
In my grandparent's generation, divorce was virtually unheard of among our friends, family, townfolks, etc. Because women had no means of supporting themselves.
In my parent's generation, the divorce rate picked up.
In my generation it is 50% or more.
All due to not keeping the women barefoot and pregnant !! :-)
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statistics are for average people
bringin a Ukrainian woman home is no big thing
same deal as if ya brought home a stray cat or dawg
YA GOTTA TAKE CARE OF IT!!!!
wife/husband?
that's just for "documentation"
I took her from Ukraine, so she's mine now, and she can't go back even if she wanted to!!!
once you "break 'em in"
Ukrainian wimmin ARE EXTREMELY loyal and offer 'great utility' both in the kitchen AND bedroom
no home is really complete without one
come and get 'em BEFORE the fallout and the wimmin all get inoperable thyroid cancer - you can spot it by lookin at 'em, eyes and protruding thyroid!!!
while I for one, will welcome our new robot overlords and will find ways to make myself useful to them while also selling them out to the resistance!
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WW usually have the means to support themselves. So they don’t have to put up with crappy husbands.
FSUW/WM marriages have a higher failure rate than do WW/WM marriages. So the premise presented here is false.
That's the problem WW get income with the third extra or whatever men used to get, so equal income. What can most do with it? Buy crap in the shops, fashion brands etc that they wish for. What are men going to do with their third less or whatever equal pay, buy crap in the shops, Xboxes, etc. Neither get a pay high enough to buy decent accommodation with. The woman wants the man to have the money to do this, few do. The man wants to be able to buy decent accommodation few can neither can many women.
Result: Falling population and the people sat around ultimately miserable by themselves and people scratching their heads wondering why?
The crunch of it all is that system just doesn't work. Even if people weren't miserable there is the problem of falling population and problems with an aging population that brings, pensions, etc.
FSU marriages I think are different, they fail more to the character of many FSU people of being obstinate and not willing to back down. Western ways are different so a different ball game.
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how AWFUL!!!
you poor single guys have to cook your own meals and clean your own squalor, and satisfy your meager sexual longings with porn
in Uzbeckistan, if a woman feels comfortable with you and trusts you, they have a REAL INTERESTING pick-up style...
when they get you alone, they just TAKE THEIR FREAKIN CLOTHES OFF RIGHT IN FRONT OF YA!!! then they look ya in the eye "alluringly" and then at your crotch
and you got this WTF! OMG! look, and then THEY GOT YA, just like that!
you a rabbit in the headlights about to be hit by a truck!
cuz whatever LoLa wants, LoLa gets...
then whatcha gonna do?
they ALL got these crazy-ass fathers and brothers to!!!
you want it...
but...
ahhhh - let me just touch it a little bit first...
and then decide!!!
oh, alright!!
good thing my lips are mirror smooth
and don't have to worry about birth control either!
you are the plaything of a sleek powerful eurasian jungle cat
you must learn to tame it and make it purr, or it will scratch you to pieces
the best way of taming one of these violent eurasians is with "tenderness" combined with giving them a climax (orally)
together, these two things REALLY soothes the savage beast
and you will get the hottest sex you've ever had
and you can go beyond any porn you've EVER seen!
also, a lotta these women are ALSO really good business people and hard workin!
for instance, my moldovan/ukrainian wife has a cosmetics business and owns several skin care salons
I made some serious $$$ sponsoring my wife's businesses!!!
and it gets her "out of the house" so me and my dawg can spend all day in the woods, if we wanna
lookin fer them wild hawg tracks
seriously, give American wimmin a PASS
Eurasia or the FSU is the place to be
PS*
Russia/Ukraine also has the "GET NAKED" thing, called the "Bania"or sauna
after 3rd date, ask her what "bania" means, act "innocent"
try to get her to take ya to one
then at last second, you realize innocently, "oh, we have to take off ALL of our clothes"
DA! all of em
the two of ya go int the sauna as nekkid as thee day you wuz born
so, which way of gettin nekkid does you like the most?
Uzbeckistan, woman takes off all her clothes and "flashes you"
Ukraine, the two of ya get nekkid together in a sauna
honestly, it's difficult for me to choose
how about you guyz?
*clean underwear is a MUST!!!
nothin worse than takin off your undewear in the bania
and there, plain as day, a big huge SKID MARK!!!
NO!!! NO!!!
alwys go with DARK colored underwear
WTF, you knuckleheads with white underwear!!!
especially after dysentary, which is common to travlers in the FSU!!!!
white underwear, is the most "rookie" travel mistake that someone could make...
is there anyone on this board, who would dispute this assertion?
if there is, let them speak now...
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No I concur with the underwear, not just for Banja's but for everyday life too. I got rid off all my light coloured underwear several years ago, any mark just stands out a mile and doesn't look good. So now my underwear is pretty much all navy blue. Black I'm not sure if women like it that much as they tend to like the colour White but like you say Krim no good for underwear.
I was thinking just yesterday how much I could have enjoyed growing up in the FSU, Ukraine for example, or possibly best going over there in my late teens/early twenties with a clue as to what to do and how it all worked. I could have really lived! :)
My stupid younger self didn't realise that I would have been best if going to University there and didn't know that I wouldn't have been short off women. My stupid younger self didn't realise that I was existing in some warped western world where the women were no longer motivated to get with men unless they were the top guys, as Daveman says the top 10 percent or so of guys.
As a tall 6ft guy in the prime of my life, even everyday looking I could have scored big with the women. Instead, a life lost in this country with women that just don't care. With the right FSW I could have built a great life for myself at a young age. Now that time has unfortunately passed. My best hope is to get my house complete, rent out the rooms, get in a good financial position and see what I can fish over there.
If I ever had kids, boys, I would get them learning Russian or whatever early and let them know of the great time they can have over there with the women. I would tell them not to waste their time with women in the UK and go over with them for them to see soon after hitting puberty. Then when getting towards mid to late teens I would tell them to search around, have done fun (always with protection) and finally settle on the best one they like by their early twenties.
Divorce, well I don't think it's so much down to when you we'd but the people involved, how they are and how they understand things, or don't. My parents married in their early twenties and never divorced. At one or two points they may have been close, arguments & not getting on. They weren't quite the same personality, my mother not outgoing where my father much moreso and adventurous. I don't think you have to be the same personality but personalities have to sit well enough with one another.
Anyway, FSU scene may be changing with the war, or may not. If Ukraine had only held onto some of its nukes the war likely wouldn't have happened and all would be the same. It may still be again all up in the air at the moment.
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.So the premise presented here is false.
Which premise is that? Naturally a larger pool of available single women should also bring a higher probability of finding compatibility. For me it boils down to:
No tatooes
No piercings other than ears
No religious zealotry (preference for agnosticism}
No feminist political ideology (equality of rights, not the religious ferver of the near religious ideology)
Those meeting even those basic criteria certainly may be found in the west, but those four qualities eliminate a very large swath of the available females.
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Tattoos is very much a generational thing. Same with piercings. Tattoos, incidentally, are quite popular among UW.
Religion is a personal preference. There are, in fact, many religious Ukrainians. They are far more apt to attend church weekly than Canadian Ukrainians, for example. I don't know any Ukrainians here as refugees that do not attend church every week. Their arrival has breathed new life into Ukrainian churches.
So you don't believe women are equal to men? Good to know.
Trench, you are very mistaken. I lived in Ukraine. I can think of six men, off the top of my head, whose wives were cheating on them. I can think of four whose former wives were alcoholics. I have seen this now over four generations. The divorce rate in Ukraine is higher than in most Western countries, and it's not all due to alcoholism.
The fact that women can support themselves should be applauded, not viewed as a negative because some guy can't "compete" to find a woman who will be completely reliant on his whims and "largesse" (which face it, in your case, is virtually nil).
The reality is that people are pretty much the same all over the world. Unless you pluck a woman from a country where they are completely oppressed (such as many Muslim countries), the same dynamics apply
over time.
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Tattoos is very much a generational thing. Same with piercings. Tattoos, incidentally, are quite popular among UW.
Religion is a personal preference. There are, in fact, many religious Ukrainians. They are far more apt to attend church weekly than Canadian Ukrainians, for example. I don't know any Ukrainians here as refugees that do not attend church every week. Their arrival has breathed new life into Ukrainian churches.
So you don't believe women are equal to men? Good to know.
Trench, you are very mistaken. I lived in Ukraine. I can think of six men, off the top of my head, whose wives were cheating on them. I can think of four whose former wives were alcoholics. I have seen this now over four generations. The divorce rate in Ukraine is higher than in most Western countries, and it's not all due to alcoholism.
The fact that women can support themselves should be applauded, not viewed as a negative because some guy can't "compete" to find a woman who will be completely reliant on his whims and "largesse" (which face it, in your case, is virtually nil).
The reality is that people are pretty much the same all over the world. Unless you pluck a woman from a country where they are completely oppressed (such as many Muslim countries), the same dynamics apply
over time.
That statement there tells me everything I need to know about you Boe, it's a western statement through and through and you are a western woman. Coupled with the earlier statement of, "WW usually have the means to support themselves. So they don’t have to put up with crappy husbands" that confirms it, they are western values in those statements, thoughts and phrasing.
It's western women that diss men for not being up to what they want. It's western women who foolishly think they gain out of the feminist western world. They don't take into account that they are undermining what they want, they just see the carrot 🥕 dangled in front of their nose and the donkey 🐴 which is them follows ;) Unfortunately many western women really are that thick and short sighted. Meanwhile the employers rub their hands with glee at all the desperate applicants begging for hard going jobs on low pay.
As I recall you are a western born Canadian woman who has lived most of her life in Canada but has lived sone time in Ukraine and has a few relatives possibly friends there. Better than nothing but hardly makes you the authority on the FSU. I'm sure someone actually from Ukraine would be a lot better source of information.
The tattoo's thing I have noticed on Fdate it usually and mostly the younger age group girls who have them, so yes a generational thing, but the older generation girls I would say they are not so popular, they tend to be the type who are the clean cut type both for themselves an what they want, so girls roughly 30s, 40s and upwards. Girls who are late teens & twenties are far more likely to have tattoos. I personally don't like women having tattoos, it's not an absolute deal breaker for me it depends on its extent but it's something I'm not keen on, it often detracts rather than elevates in my view.
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You obviously have not heard what UW say about men. I have.
I have more than "a few" relatives in Ukraine. I also have relatives in Russia. A few are currently sitting in the EU during the war. A few have returned despite the war. Some never left. One family emigrated to Canada, and lived in my parents' home for a period before deciding to rent an apartment.
Your problem is you assume a reality that doesn't exist. Plus you're rather misogynistic. That's not so unique on this forum, though not prevalent currently, given the low number of posts.
You do NOT know Ukrainian culture. You probably never will. The idea that you will find a UW who does not wish to work, and is happy living on a meagre income while running a household to your satisfaction, and who will dress exclusively the way you desire, is laughable.
Yes, I am, unabashedly, a WW. I have also been married well over 3 decades.
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So you don't believe women are equal to m
en? Good to know.
Nice putting words in the mouth of your strawman. This type of argument is generally put forth in an attempt to put someone either on the defensive or shut down the other side. Doesn't work on me.
Equal rights. Also equal as in two sides the gold coin, but different as head and tail as in masculine and feminine.
Women can do what they wish. That doesn't require that I be attracted to any of them in any way nor any of them to me. Preferences and that to which we are innately attracted may vary greatly. The former can be malleable. The latter is not. ;D
Going to church and belief in God differs from the "religious zealot" types, i.e.,the puritanical, evangelical hellfire and brimstone of this region.
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You're the one who posted you don't want a feminist. Feminism is about social, economic, and political equality. So which one of those offends you?
If "zealotry" were what you were truly trying to avoid, why add "preferably an atheist"? In my experience, atheists are the worst in terms of zealotry.
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You obviously have not heard what UW say about men. I have.
I have more than "a few" relatives in Ukraine. I also have relatives in Russia. A few are currently sitting in the EU during the war. A few have returned despite the war. Some never left. One family emigrated to Canada, and lived in my parents' home for a period before deciding to rent an apartment.
Your problem is you assume a reality that doesn't exist. Plus you're rather misogynistic. That's not so unique on this forum, though not prevalent currently, given the low number of posts.
You do NOT know Ukrainian culture. You probably never will. The idea that you will find a UW who does not wish to work, and is happy living on a meagre income while running a household to your satisfaction, and who will dress exclusively the way you desire, is laughable.
Yes, I am, unabashedly, a WW. I have also been married well over 3 decades.
And there we have it!!! Boe has come out of the closet as a fully westernised feminist woman!
Boe you must really hate it on here all of us misogynistic men getting over to the FSU and a taste of Freedom away from the awful western feminist world where the women have the upper hand. I bet our antics in here really jars with your feminist values, how we get with the FSW and all.
BTW, I'm not far off my goals that you stated ;D
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You give yourself far too much credit, Trench.
I have been married to a Ukrainian for over 3 decades. I have raised children with him, two of whom have successful careers (already outearning you), and one who is in university.
Do you care to compare your relationship status?
I have never been in the closet as a feminist. I have always believed in social, economic, and political equality for women. Only men who are "beta" males, or insecure in their masculinity, IMHO, have issues with women having equal rights.
The overwhelming majority of the men here who married FSUW are now divorced from those women. For those that are not, I think it's great they have happy marriages that work for them. That's what life is about - happiness, right?
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You're the one who posted you don't want a feminist. Feminism is about social, economic, and political equality. So which one of those offends you?
If "zealotry" were what you were truly trying to avoid, why add "preferably an atheist"? In my experience, atheists are the worst in terms of zealotry.
Interesting..
Agnostics, still an atheistic position, have no interest in proselytizing in any way. We don't care about religion until those who practice it want to legislate based on their religious beliefs. I take separation of church and state seriously. Other than than, I don't care what anyone believes as long as it does not encroach on individual Liberty and rights of others. We don't think about religion at all, even remotely until it invades into our space or lives.
As far as dating feminists - I am a feminist by dictionary definition not by modern crappery. . In practice, iit has become a religion in itself with apparent tennets and dogma. Tell. Me, which of those three - social, economic, political equality do women not have? Equal opportunity not equal outcome. Do you want quotas based on sexual organs? Seems you are speaking of having an equal outcome (neo buzzword - equity) rather than opportunity. Women have equal rights and equal opportunity for those willing to seize upon it.. What more do you want?
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As a woman in the workforce for 4 decades, there isn’t equal opportunity. But it’s much better now than it was 2 decades ago.
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You give yourself far too much credit, Trench.
I have been married to a Ukrainian for over 3 decades. I have raised children with him, two of whom have successful careers (already outearning you), and one who is in university.
Do you care to compare your relationship status?
I have never been in the closet as a feminist. I have always believed in social, economic, and political equality for women. Only men who are "beta" males, or insecure in their masculinity, IMHO, have issues with women having equal rights.
The overwhelming majority of the men here who married FSUW are now divorced from those women. For those that are not, I think it's great they have happy marriages that work for them. That's what life is about - happiness, right?
I am not a straight jacket career sort of guy. I'm far more versatile than that, the sort of guy who will sit in a 'career' job and live out a dull boring existence that is no different from anyone else. Sure I may not earn as much as they do but I have advantages in other areas.
It can't be assumed that all those that divorced are unhappy while those that are married are happy, some are, some may not be. Sometimes a relationship has gone the distance it has gone and it's time for both parties to move on. I don't believe in divorce except where it is totally necessary but if both parties are happy to divorce knowing a relationship has run it's course and they want to go do other things at no fallout to any kids involved then it's possible that all are happiest in that respect.
The rights women had made relationships work the best. Now it's women just 'wanting more' that's greed. It means they don't care about those that lose out just so they have 'more'. It is a short sighted view, if you deny others to get more then sure it works for the few in the immediate term but it undermines all in the long term. The relationship dynamic is not the same, things start to fall apart. Women start to disrespect men as you do looking at them as 'crappy men'. It's not the men that are crappy it's society that has changed what they get, they get a third less pay, women get the same pay, the women have been motivated by careers and then see those men in the same position as them they then see them as the enemy competing with them for the careers they want. Happiness there? No everyone just becomes hostile to one another and see each other as the enemy cue the wonderful world of feminism lol.
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What are Boe of course fails to understand is that the 'crappy men' weren't really crappy men at all. They had to sacrifice working all their life in order to support a family. That's why they got paid more as it was tantamount to slavery but they did it for their children and so they could have family.
What we have now as a result of this so called equality is a falling birth rate and hence an aging population. That is never good economic demographics. People without family become unmotivated at work and so productivity begins to lag, they have no real reason to be motivated to do more hours and earn more once their comfort needs are met. It's all starting to fall apart now if we look at the social scene in the west but women like Boe can't accept the failed social experiment unraveling before their very eyes.
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lesser men will tend to have lesser outcomes
imagine, if you will, the benefit of having a Ukrainian wife who looks like this (see pic)
who also cleans and cooks for you, and would take a bullet for you!
and operates her own businesses AND gives you THE MONEY!!!
and ALL the OTHER BENEFITS that "comes" with that...
especially that!!
not to even mention, cookies, cakes, etc
La Dolce Vita
A good Ukrainian wife is worth her weight in GOLD!
and is all you really need to live a life of quiet contentment, seated beneath the shade of your own orchard
Vinni Viddi Vicci
now, I'm erradicating Cannabis by slowly burning the crops in my hookah and laughing at the pointless futility of human existence
WOT a bucha silly buggers humans are!!!!
10 yr from now, EVERYTHING'S gonna start happening at once, the foot on the accellerator
I intend to be livin totally off-grid in a more favorable climate zone by then
but good lord, all the paperwork I gotta go through for sellin real estate here...
and I don't wanna hand out tens of thousands USD$ to RE agents for filling out a couple of forms
plus all the hassle of "transferring residence" to avoid capital gains tax
money always sucks the chill out of everything...
note: there's now leprousy and malaria being reported on the east coast of the USA!
and this is in addition to other new mosquito born diseases like West Nile virus and Vibrio flesh eating bacteria, and sand fleas are spreading a skin parasite in Texas
all of these diseases are GROWING!!!
in Costa Rica, malaria prevention drugs in little white packets are sold for super cheap prices "over the counter" in every store
one of the ingediants is doxycycline, an antibiotic that also kills off the other harmful bacteria you ingest there, until your body gets used to it and adapts
but in the USA, these REALLY CHEAP drugs will end up costing a LOT more than in Costa Rica!!
and in Costa Rica I can find fresh Coca Mate leaves in a lot of markets
though no where near as good as Bolivia's + take Russians to see Potosi and watch them all pass-out!!!
meanwhile, Russians and Israelis are "guilt-trippin" me about "not fighting"
but holy crap, the sheetstorm I'd be in the middle of right now, if I went back to either Russia or Israel...
neither can outright conscript me, but they would find "OTHER" ways to coerce me
I seriously do NOT wanna work anymore on anything for anyone
I hope the next generation has as much fun as I did
but I doubt it very much...
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The rights women had made relationships work the best. Now it's women just 'wanting more' that's greed. It means they don't care about those that lose out just so they have 'more'. It is a short sighted view, if you deny others to get more then sure it works for the few in the immediate term but it undermines all in the long term. The relationship dynamic is not the same, things start to fall apart. Women start to disrespect men as you do looking at them as 'crappy men'. It's not the men that are crappy it's society that has changed what they get, they get a third less pay, women get the same pay, the women have been motivated by careers and then see those men in the same position as them they then see them as the enemy competing with them for the careers they want. Happiness there? No everyone just becomes hostile to one another and see each other as the enemy cue the wonderful world of feminism lol.
Sure. They want things like not being beaten by their partners. Or not being cheated on. Or being treated like an equal, rather than his mother (picking up his socks, doing his laundry, etc.). These are things women should just put up with, right?
Trench, you have never had an intimate relationship, let alone a marriage. So you can't really come here spouting your theories on what "works" and what "should" happen in a marriage. Come back when you've been married a decade.
BTW, falling birth rates are because it's too expensive to raise children, and there isn't reasonable daycare for working mothers. Make raising a family an affordable priority in society, and those issues would disappear.
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what kinda "state sponsored" child care is there in Canada and UK for a single mother?
would a poor working mother get some kinda state provided support...
is there some kinda "racial element" to this type of welfare in the UK and Canada
there IS in the USA!!!!
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Currently, there is $10 a day daycare for children 6 and under. It’s not dependent on income.
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what kinda "state sponsored" child care is there in Canada and UK for a single mother?
would a poor working mother get some kinda state provided support...
is there some kinda "racial element" to this type of welfare in the UK and Canada
there IS in the USA!!!!
In the UK for childcare:
You can get up to £500 every 3 months (up to £2,000 a year) for each of your children to help with the costs of childcare. This goes up to £1,000 every 3 months if a child is disabled (up to £4,000 a year).
http://www.gov.uk/tax-free-childcare
That's just to take the kid off your hands sound part of the day it may include playschool till they get to school, etc.
In addition you can qualify for child tax credits what used to be called child benefit here. That's a weekly allowance that basically pays for the basics a child needs, food, clothing, etc.
Child Benefit rates
Rates (£ per week) 2022 to 2023
Eldest or only child £21.80
Other children. £14.45
Child Benefit rates
Rates (£ per week) 2023 to 2024
Eldest or only child £24.00
Other children. £15.90
That's gets paid up until the child is 16 I believe which is when it ends. As you can see it goes up with inflation every year. While it's great that children are supported whatever here of course it also can do away with the man's role. Hence the number of single parent families here, nearly all with the Mother. It's still guys paying for it, the gov will tax single guys like me along with the rest of the population to support Mothers who are self centred and want it all their own way, enable that behaviour and we're heading down into the abyss of misery in the future perhaps 10 years from now when those kids grow up and many will be more messed up, up top than even today's kids from it all. Time to keep indoors and move to homeworking when that happens!
http://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-tax-credits-child-benefit-and-guardians-allowance/tax-credits-child-benefit-and-guardians-allowance
Incidentally, as I guess many are aware here, the child benefits you get in Ukraine are a lot less and for far shorter time than in the UK, first few years I believe. After that it's down to the guy as far as I know and of course extra economic strain my kick in so not helping relationships. Here it may not be a fortune you get but it will pay the basics for the child along the way and anything else it's down to the parents if there is more than one. However, normally Single Mother's claim many other benefits, Universal Credit, Housing Benefit, etc so they are normally reasonably well off and want for nothing.
I'm pretty sure there is no racial element to any benefit in the UK. The politically correct crowd would be jumping for joy at something to jump all over it giving their sense of self righteousness a real good soothing that would get them high for quite some time.
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Sure. They want things like not being beaten by their partners. Or not being cheated on. Or being treated like an equal, rather than his mother (picking up his socks, doing his laundry, etc.). These are things women should just put up with, right?
Trench, you have never had an intimate relationship, let alone a marriage. So you can't really come here spouting your theories on what "works" and what "should" happen in a marriage. Come back when you've been married a decade.
BTW, falling birth rates are because it's too expensive to raise children, and there isn't reasonable daycare for working mothers. Make raising a family an affordable priority in society, and those issues would disappear.
Both me not being able to get a relationship and the fall in birth rates is solely down to the greed grabbing of women 'wanting it all'. Even when they get it all they are not happy. They then complain as to why there are no suitable men for them that also 'have it all' :-\
I wish I could lend them some of my high IQ ability for them to work it out I really do. Sadly as much as I might try to explain to them where the system is falling down for them and most people they just can't seem to grasp the basic logic of it all, shame it really is quite easy to understand.
Women like a good spanking :crackwhip: it sets them up for the day! They feel most secure when they know their place and are put in their place if needs be. That is the natural state of a content woman now an almost unknown sighting in the west. Instead listen to the sound of the modern western woman bemoaning about her lot and how she can't find the right man. They have been brought up all their life under western feminism and are unaware that their issue is a psychological one not a material one ;)
It would be nice if I am remembered as noteworthy as Sigmund Freud here for all my hard work explaining the mechanics of this all to the unenlightened western female feminist crowd ;)
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Both me not being able to get a relationship and the fall in birth rates is solely down to the greed grabbing of women 'wanting it all'. Even when they get it all they are not happy. They then complain as to why there are no suitable men for them that also 'have it all' :-\
Laughable. How many women did you try to date when young? You are full of excuses. You should look at yourself as that’s where the problem lies. It’s not external.
I wish I could lend them some of my high IQ ability for them to work it out I really do. Sadly as much as I might try to explain to them where the system is falling down for them and most people they just can't seem to grasp the basic logic of it all, shame it really is quite easy to understand.
Haha. Sure.
Women like a good spanking :crackwhip: it sets them up for the day! They feel most secure when they know their place and are put in their place if needs be. That is the natural state of a content woman now an almost unknown sighting in the west. Instead listen to the sound of the modern western woman bemoaning about her lot and how she can't find the right man. They have been brought up all their life under western feminism and are unaware that their issue is a psychological one not a material one ;)
I don’t hear or read about women bemoaning the lack of men. The only things I read about the “lack of relationships” is from men who can’t face reality cough cough.
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average working person doesn't really qualify for this kind of aid in the USA, but you do get a tax credit
when I had my kids in silicon valley, average pre-school day care cost was arround $1,500 per month per child
I was lucky that my wife didn't work, so she could be a "stay at home" mom
then I made the decision to make my business a "home business" instead of having a separate office
so we both could spend more time with our daughters
when we moved to Crimea, my daughters had HUGE opportunities in the Russian Media world, and my oldest did some TV acting
now they're all refusniks livin in the USA keepin their heads down..."ain't no Russians or Israelis here, go away!!"
so with them livin with me again, my home is bein over-run by a legion of foreign "draft dodgers"
gettin young Russian men to say, "Hey ya'll doin?" until "they get it right", is my sole amusement in life (sigh)
by appearances, we aim to appear as ALL AMERICAN Moonshine and watemelon rine, we dress in Jeans and flannel shirts and wear coyboy hats - yeee-haaaa
nyet, I mean NO, ain't no need for anybody in my family to register as a foreign agent tovarisch
none of ya'll have figured out yet what's gonna happen at the end of next year
but the phrase "letters from Moscow" will be relevant
surprised mail still works OK!!!
people in CIA and FBI gettin nervous
cuz all kinda warnin lights are blinkin
and don't even mention Mexico
October 2024 = OICHEN BOLSHOI SURPRIZE!!
SLOVO!!
Putin is Biden his time
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average working person doesn't really qualify for this kind of aid in the USA, but you do get a tax credit
when I had my kids in silicon valley, average pre-school day care cost was arround $1,500 per month per child
I was lucky that my wife didn't work, so she could be a "stay at home" mom
then I made the decision to make my business a "home business" instead of having a separate office
so we both could spend more time with our daughters
when we moved to Crimea, my daughters had HUGE opportunities in the Russian Media world, and my oldest did some TV acting
now they're all refusniks livin in the USA keepin their heads down..."ain't no Russians or Israelis here, go away!!"
so with them livin with me again, my home is bein over-run by a legion of foreign "draft dodgers"
gettin young Russian men to say, "Hey ya'll doin?" until "they get it right", is my sole amusement in life (sigh)
by appearances, we aim to appear as ALL AMERICAN Moonshine and watemelon rine, we dress in Jeans and flannel shirts and wear coyboy hats - yeee-haaaa
nyet, I mean NO, ain't no need for anybody in my family to register as a foreign agent tovarisch
none of ya'll have figured out yet what's gonna happen at the end of next year
but the phrase "letters from Moscow" will be relevant
surprised mail still works OK!!!
people in CIA and FBI gettin nervous
cuz all kinda warnin lights are blinkin
and don't even mention Mexico
October 2024 = OICHEN BOLSHOI SURPRIZE!!
SLOVO!!
Putin is Biden his time
How come your daughter's had huge opportunities in the media world when they moved to Crimea Krim?
Are the Russian Draft Dodgers part of your clan? Is it a kind of arrangement like the Free Masons have, a kind of you do each other favours as and where you can?
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Laughable. How many women did you try to date when young? You are full of excuses. You should look at yourself as that’s where the problem lies. It’s not external.
Haha. Sure.
I don’t hear or read about women bemoaning the lack of men. The only things I read about the “lack of relationships” is from men who can’t face reality cough cough.
Women in the west change the game then turn the blame on the men who lose out as their own fault while they make off with their unfair cut off society believing it will work out. It's not though is it? Incels running amok, dudes on zombie drugs, vast numbers of lonely people both men and women, not high enough birth rate, etc, etc. The chickens are coming home to roost Boe and it's going to hit those feminists behind it all in the end too.
If I had grown up in Ukraine the Ukrainian version of me would have dated a lot and had plenty of options. Just dating Ukrainian women you can tell the difference, they are a lot less up their arse like women are in the west. A far more balanced dating situation.
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How would you know? By your own admission you never dated WW.
I don’t think feminism has anything to do with the current state of relationships. I believe most of it emanates from the ubiquitousness of online porn.
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How would you know? By your own admission you never dated WW.
I don’t think feminism has anything to do with the current state of relationships. I believe most of it emanates from the ubiquitousness of online porn.
Well you go for an unusual argument I'll give you that, I've never heard of feminism emanating as a result of online porn. I'm sure femininism was around long before online porn. I am sure it's just to do with women being blinded by greed of wanting more and being lured that way over time while being too blind to see the pitfalls.
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No, not feminism. I meant the rise of incels and the changes in lifestyles.
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everything in Moscva was a "closed circle" no outsiders were "allowed in"
one of the EXCEPTIONS to this rule
were REALLY, REALLY BEAUTIFUL and Intelligent/Smart women....
the doors were ALWAYS open for them!!
my daughters could both do WTF they wanted to in Russia, even without my help, cuz they both had such a HUGE network of connections of EVERY KIND that they SHARED!!
the parents of the kids they knew boggled my mind
and I ended up meeting many new customers through them
when I drove their friends home and met their parents in the exclusive west end of Moscow
it really was a small closed circle
everybody knew everybody
now the kids of all these Russians are all over HERE!!!!
I even gotta couple to babysit and teach...who are married to my daughters, and who will eventually become dual citizens
meanwhile, they look after my interests in "the old country" quid-pro-quo
i.e. make sure my mistress is" looked after", without tellin my wife about it!
the older you get, the easier life becomes, because every problem just comes down to delegating responsibility to someone else to solve it for you...
and so you can work on your AI projects or go NIGHT HUNTING with NIGHT VISION with your dawg!!!
or MOST FUN OF ALL...
TROLL REDNECKS on RWD!!!!
PS
the one thing I really miss about Moscow is to just go on these long "walk abouts" to completely random places in City Center, or if the weather is warm, on the southern outskirts of the city, especially along the river...
and find random flea markets, and stores of every possible kind and offices, etc
and just walk in, look around and talk to random people about random things
and just do this for the WHOLE FREAKIN' DAY
I mastered the art of getting a free breakfast at 4 seasons, just by wearing a suit and walkin in like I owned the joint!
and from there I could catch the metro to anywhere, like Tula, for instance
or to any of the museums inside the 3 ring HWY...
you can bring snacks with you on the train, and if ya see a real pretty girl, you can sit next to her and share your snack with her
I found it real easy to talk to women on the metro, cuz you don't have to focus on DRIVING!!!
and I would generally consider metro deavochkie to be more educated/professional than blue collar kiosk robotniki types
and these intelligent, graduate level educated, 30+ yr olds, have NO DATES in Russia AT ALL
and they are so HORNY, they will suck the chrome right off a trailer hitch, if they ever get you alone some where!!
if a woman talks with you for more than about 20 sec, then 100% you can ask for her number...
but this implies you have wheels and a plan of action, like Where, When, What...
you have Motive
you have Opportunity
you have Means
if you want her...
then you must take her...
somewhere where she's never been before
and give her the best time, she's EVER HAD!!!
the first night she sleeps over, let her have one of your t-shirts to wear
let HER initiate sex with you...so be patient, she WILL 100% reach out and touch you during the night
you need to treat her very tenderly...
seriously, solve ALL your sexual anxiety performance issues by reading the book "She Comes First" on Amazon
only way a geezer like me could ever satisfy the budding sexuality of a Ukrainian village girl with a hard body and big naturals, was through knowledge I gained from reading this book!!!
step 1 is to arouse her curiosity...
step 2 - provide her with a unique experience
step 3 - increasing intimicy
step 4 - increasing physical contact
escalating "sexual tension"
then nudity at a private pool or sauna
then the 'ole In/Out/In/Out
what's not to like about this scenario?
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everything in Moscva was a "closed circle" no outsiders were "allowed in"
one of the EXCEPTIONS to this rule
were REALLY, REALLY BEAUTIFUL and Intelligent/Smart women....
the doors were ALWAYS open for them!!
my daughters could both do WTF they wanted to in Russia, even without my help, cuz they both had such a HUGE network of connections of EVERY KIND that they SHARED!!
the parents of the kids they knew boggled my mind
and I ended up meeting many new customers through them
when I drove their friends home and met their parents in the exclusive west end of Moscow
it really was a small closed circle
everybody knew everybody
now the kids of all these Russians are all over HERE!!!!
I even gotta couple to babysit and teach...who are married to my daughters, and who will eventually become dual citizens
meanwhile, they look after my interests in "the old country" quid-pro-quo
i.e. make sure my mistress is" looked after", without tellin my wife about it!
the older you get, the easier life becomes, because every problem just comes down to delegating responsibility to someone else to solve it for you...
and so you can work on your AI projects or go NIGHT HUNTING with NIGHT VISION with your dawg!!!
or MOST FUN OF ALL...
TROLL REDNECKS on RWD!!!!
PS
the one thing I really miss about Moscow is to just go on these long "walk abouts" to completely random places in City Center, or if the weather is warm, on the southern outskirts of the city, especially along the river...
and find random flea markets, and stores of every possible kind and offices, etc
and just walk in, look around and talk to random people about random things
and just do this for the WHOLE FREAKIN' DAY
I mastered the art of getting a free breakfast at 4 seasons, just by wearing a suit and walkin in like I owned the joint!
and from there I could catch the metro to anywhere, like Tula, for instance
or to any of the museums inside the 3 ring HWY...
you can bring snacks with you on the train, and if ya see a real pretty girl, you can sit next to her and share your snack with her
I found it real easy to talk to women on the metro, cuz you don't have to focus on DRIVING!!!
and I would generally consider metro deavochkie to be more educated/professional than blue collar kiosk robotniki types
and these intelligent, graduate level educated, 30+ yr olds, have NO DATES in Russia AT ALL
and they are so HORNY, they will suck the chrome right off a trailer hitch, if they ever get you alone some where!!
if a woman talks with you for more than about 20 sec, then 100% you can ask for her number...
but this implies you have wheels and a plan of action, like Where, When, What...
you have Motive
you have Opportunity
you have Means
if you want her...
then you must take her...
somewhere where she's never been before
and give her the best time, she's EVER HAD!!!
the first night she sleeps over, let her have one of your t-shirts to wear
let HER initiate sex with you...so be patient, she WILL 100% reach out and touch you during the night
you need to treat her very tenderly...
seriously, solve ALL your sexual anxiety performance issues by reading the book "She Comes First" on Amazon
only way a geezer like me could ever satisfy the budding sexuality of a Ukrainian village girl with a hard body and big naturals, was through knowledge I gained from reading this book!!!
step 1 is to arouse her curiosity...
step 2 - provide her with a unique experience
step 3 - increasing intimicy
step 4 - increasing physical contact
escalating "sexual tension"
then nudity at a private pool or sauna
then the 'ole In/Out/In/Out
what's not to like about this scenario?
Thanks Krim, that's interesting stuff, must be great being a part of that scene. The tips on women are good for me also ;)
Well I got the 'Ancestry' DNA results back. appears that I'm about 60 Percent English, 23 Percent Irish, 8 Percent Scottish, 5 Percent Germanic, 2 Percent Welsh and 2 Percent Viking (Norway).
Uploading the results to the 'My True Ancestry' website to look further back set against DNA finds from ancient samples it told me that my DNA is mostly of Celtic origin of various Celtic groups mostly those which inhabited the British Isles. So I'm well over 80 percent Celtic by origin and this ties up with most British people being similar. They tell me that I'm only about 5 Percent Anglo Saxon, the tribes from South Denmark & North West Germany that came over here, the Angles, the Saxons & the Jutes. Again that's roughly in line with the population of Great Britain.
Mostly it seems that the Celtic population of Britain remained dominant and was never wiped out or changed racially significantly as a result of the Anglo Saxons, like the Romans and the Normans they just imposed themselves on top of the existing population replacing the old hierarchy. No Norman or Roman DNA and this is commonly the case as it's very rare as they were almost solely about replacing the top hierarchy with no large scale population influx as a result of their invasions.
So most of those conquering groups left their mark on the British Isles with their culture, we picked up the Germanic Anglo Saxon tongue which became English and code of laws from the Normans, but little to nothing if their DNA remains. So rather than actually being Anglo Saxon the British Isles are really a Celtic race of various Celtic groups, fascinating for me to find out really :)
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Trench,
2/3 of the people in me mum's UK family emmigrated, includin me mum!
it makes me wonder why YOUR family didn't GTF outta 'ole Blighty!!!
it looks like generations of ya are hangin around this same desolate place you call "Home"
instead of seekin greener pastures by moving somewhere with a better future to offer!!
I hope "inbreeding" doesn't take hold, cuz then the UK NHS is phuqued!!!
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Trench,
2/3 of the people in me mum's UK family emmigrated, includin me mum!
it makes me wonder why YOUR family didn't GTF outta 'ole Blighty!!!
it looks like generations of ya are hangin around this same desolate place you call "Home"
instead of seekin greener pastures by moving somewhere with a better future to offer!!
I hope "inbreeding" doesn't take hold, cuz then the UK NHS is phuqued!!!
My guess is that your DNA would be an interesting one Krim, some Slavic, some Jewish, etc.
Well one did move to America, but he was not a direct blood relative. He had spent 3 months in jail for manslaughter when the rope of a cage in a mine he was bringing up snapped as he was turning the wheel too quickly and it fell crushing a 13 yr old boy. He subsequently joined the Mormons and crossed the seas to America, his family followed him but found out he had died of Cholera in St. Louis.
The rest, yes all of my blood relatives stayed in Blighty. You're right probably not the best deal, America far more easier and lucrative to make money. However, they stopped making it easy for UK guys to emigrate to America many years ago now and it's now very hard to get in. Now the UK have left the EU and once a President who is willing to work with the UK is in office then maybe they will make it easier, who knows, no certainty on that one at present though.
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Thanks Krim, that's interesting stuff, must be great being a part of that scene. The tips on women are good for me also ;)
Well I got the 'Ancestry' DNA results back. appears that I'm about 60 Percent English, 23 Percent Irish, 8 Percent Scottish, 5 Percent Germanic, 2 Percent Welsh and 2 Percent Viking (Norway).
Uploading the results to the 'My True Ancestry' website to look further back set against DNA finds from ancient samples it told me that my DNA is mostly of Celtic origin of various Celtic groups mostly those which inhabited the British Isles. So I'm well over 80 percent Celtic by origin and this ties up with most British people being similar. They tell me that I'm only about 5 Percent Anglo Saxon, the tribes from South Denmark & North West Germany that came over here, the Angles, the Saxons & the Jutes. Again that's roughly in line with the population of Great Britain.
Mostly it seems that the Celtic population of Britain remained dominant and was never wiped out or changed racially significantly as a result of the Anglo Saxons, like the Romans and the Normans they just imposed themselves on top of the existing population replacing the old hierarchy. No Norman or Roman DNA and this is commonly the case as it's very rare as they were almost solely about replacing the top hierarchy with no large scale population influx as a result of their invasions.
So most of those conquering groups left their mark on the British Isles with their culture, we picked up the Germanic Anglo Saxon tongue which became English and code of laws from the Normans, but little to nothing if their DNA remains. So rather than actually being Anglo Saxon the British Isles are really a Celtic race of various Celtic groups, fascinating for me to find out really :)
Norman French and Latin have had just as big an influence on modern English as the Germanic languages of the Anglo Saxons. Even today English is evolving as it becomes the language of the world.
As Oscar Wilde said about America and England "Two nations divided by a common language"
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So I got my DNA ethnicity results back from My Heritage yesterday as I decided to also do a test with them partly to check the results with Ancestry off against each other for accuracy partly as they do their test by a slightly different method. My Heritage tend to find people with ancestors that have been in the area a very long time and seemingly not moved around, so a smaller group and further back in ancestry than Ancestry who tend to use the same method but go for a larger group on people but don't go as far back.
So that means my DNA sample is set against a slightly different pool of people and so gives a little bit different result, still the main thrust being much the same as Ancestry in being mainly British coming from the same regional areas. The results from My Heritage are nonetheless intriguing they show:
34.2 English (London & West Midlands - same as Ancestry)
24.5 Irish, Scottish & Welsh
21.1 North & West European (around north Germany)
16.9 Scandinavian (Norway, Sweden & Denmark)
1.8 East European (around Poland to Hungary to Ukraine)
1.5 Central Asian (around Kazakhstan)
So it thrilled me to know I have some East European potentially in me! :D
When I uploaded my DNA results from 'Ancestry' into the 'My True Ancestry' website there was apparently a tiny bit of data to show that ancestor might have come from Hungary direction way back in time so this might sound out.
Of course with My Heritage we are looking back much further than Ancestry. Ancestry results are set against the past couple of hundred years or so. They tend to show results watered down over time as a result I get the impression. So the 2 percent Norway DNA with Ancestry is likely Viking DNA from way back watered down a heap over time since the Vikings were only in the UK a short time and while some stayed in they were small in comparison and for a shorter time. So centuries of essentially mostly Celtic people intermarrying tend to water the Viking intermingling down. The My Heritage results show a much larger proportion of Scandinavian DNA for me as their results tend to go back further from what I understand so hence less watering down of Viking DNA the further you go back in time if Viking DNA feature in your DNA. Sane with the North & West European DNA probably being Anglo Saxon or possibly some of the Scandinavian DNA possibly being Anglo Saxon.
The minor ethnicities of East European & Central Asian are of course very way, way back in time assuming if true. Ancestry doesn't bring up these as way too far back if even true, they quite possibly are but so far back that they aren't a big feature in my DNA. Overall I get the impression that the Ancestry results are pretty accurate for the present day. The My Heritage of course are based on a fewer sample group over a longer period of time so if course are potentially more of a grasp depending on how assured they can be that the smaller sample group are indeed totally accurate.
So for me it's been most intriguing looking at my DNA and most eye opening. A fair amount of the results I expected but some of them were slightly unexpected though quite comforting in a way. I can now say I am a little bit Welsh and possibly a bit East European so have some relationship to those areas, handy when out in those parts ;)
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In regards to the ideal age to wed, it might help to define what marriage means. If marriage is just a business relationship and companionship, it doesn't really matter. If you consider marriage to be a lifelong union to create the best environment you can for raising a family, that's a little different.
Since 2000, women who married as virgins have only had a 3% divorce rate.
At least in America, 98% of people have lost their virginity by age 22.
So if you are a woman who wants a lifelong marriage and wants to raise a family, the ideal age to marry is likely before she is 22.
The average marriage age gap in America, the guy is 2.5 years older than the girl.
If the girl has more than one prior sexual partner, you're playing with fire. (Even in the 1980's, over half of women walking down the aisle had zero or one prior sexual partners.)
Psychologist research shows that men never get over their first love. They may move on, but they never get over her. (A breakup hits women harder at first, but they will get over a guy. Guys never get over their first love.)
So the ideal age to wed would probably best be described as the age that the girl is a virgin, when she is the first love of the guy she is marrying.
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In regards to the ideal age to wed, it might help to define what marriage means. If marriage is just a business relationship and companionship, it doesn't really matter. If you consider marriage to be a lifelong union to create the best environment you can for raising a family, that's a little different.
Since 2000, women who married as virgins have only had a 3% divorce rate.
At least in America, 98% of people have lost their virginity by age 22.
So if you are a woman who wants a lifelong marriage and wants to raise a family, the ideal age to marry is likely before she is 22.
The average marriage age gap in America, the guy is 2.5 years older than the girl.
If the girl has more than one prior sexual partner, you're playing with fire. (Even in the 1980's, over half of women walking down the aisle had zero or one prior sexual partners.)
Psychologist research shows that men never get over their first love. They may move on, but they never get over her. (A breakup hits women harder at first, but they will get over a guy. Guys never get over their first love.)
So the ideal age to wed would probably best be described as the age that the girl is a virgin, when she is the first love of the guy she is marrying.
I think the whole virgin thing these days is probably down to the woman being left in the 'desperate' category and probably getting with a man who is likewise. If two desperados get together they likely know that there is little to no one else left out there for them anyway. If you have options you look, if you don't then you don't look as no point in it.
I think what societal change has caused is giving the ok to people to go looking whatever status their present relationship is in. If they are dating it's ok to look elsewhere, if they are in a committed sexual relationship it's ok to look elsewhere, if they are engaged it is ok to look elsewhere, if they are married it's ok to look elsewhere, etc. Sure the other half may get pissed if they find out but if there isn't a happy even enough match and other options exist for one then you can't blame them. The old system kind of locked each in place with a 'here's the present deal 'the marriage' do you both wish to accept and be locked in 'till death do us part' rather than the present situation of one finding out the deal is no longer good for them an going for a quickie divorce.
Can we imagine people getting married even dating in the 1700s or 1800s carrying on like they do today? They would have been cast out and ostracised by pretty much all women when they see them hitting on other women or doing the dirty deed with another woman (along with the woman). They're options would then be zero anyway and if the woman who they got with didn't stick with them then that's them left on the outside likely forever more.
So changing the system has kind of unleashed all sorts and that can create a lot of problems. That said while divorce tends to be an unhappy situation are people happier now for having that option? Some people have never been happier once they have divorced others less so. The big problem I think though is that people are perhaps too free with options these days that no one seems to owe loyalty to anyone and only the most desperate can be likely assured that their other half isn't cheating on them.
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so you think a successful strategy is to ONLY date from within a pool of virgins who are less than 4% of the general population
and of that 4%, how many are virgins cuz they're not AT ALL attractive, or have physical/mental issues, etc... my guess is the majority...
you should know this, cuz YOU are one of 'em yourself!
no wonder you're an incel
your belief in religious dogma, has completely phuqued your choices in life, but you're incapable of seeing that simple obvious truth
and you have no clue at all regarding how to have a successful marriage, cuz being a virgin is the most irrelevant thing that there is
be like statistics say left handed people stay married longer, so yur lookin for a southpaw....
you need to evaluate the whole person, and not just one completely irrelevant factor
correlation is NOT causality
and doesn't present a complete picture or analysis
but it's something you read in "The Good Christian's Dating Guide" so it's another gospel for you to take as "truth"
like the rest of the BS you believe in
I don't understand how someone your age, has lived his whole life in such isolation as to be this backwards in his beliefs
but I wouldn't worry about this topic AT ALL if I were you...
cuz you are too phuqed up to EVER be able to engage in a male/female adult relationship with any woman
and on top of that, your time is running out...
and your chances of success drop with each passing day...
you are deluding yourself in multiple ways
like your delusion of superiority, when actually you're a major freakin idiot
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I think you're right Krim that you can only ever hope for a contented (enough) Marriage if you date many women. The desperados situation can work out but that's just two folk's with little to no choice. It's only when you date different women that you get to see what you like and don't like and whether you like each other enough to really want to live with each other permanently lifelong. I mean you can date a chick like her a little bit in some ways but not really be all that into her, so is that someone to be permanently with? In the past people were held unhappily in Marriage possibly one person more than the other and were just stuck with it. Often they may have married young and didn't fully recognise that 'fir life' literally meant with each other all the rest of their life for years & years. That's something not easily comprehended at a young age and I think many people later regretted that decision and felt unfairly held to being bound to the deal they struck when they thought they were into it but were just too young to understand the magnitude of the deal they were getting into.
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being able to "compare and contrast" different prospective women, is a must
also having multiple relationships, that were short term, i.e. "didn't work out for the long haul" are great and ESSENTIAL learning experiences
with serial dating, you can see patterns, like the kind of person you are compatible with, and the kind you're NOT
i've seen a lotta guys make incompatible choices, and they have to pay a steep price for that
and compatibility has NOTHING to do with being a virgin, that's just twisted religious BS
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It’s not virginity that lowers the risk of divorce. It’s religious belief. That doesn’t mean the marriage is happy though.
Trench’s musings on virginity are, as usual, vacuous.
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It’s not virginity that lowers the risk of divorce. It’s religious belief. That doesn’t mean the marriage is happy though.
Trench’s musings on virginity are, as usual, vacuous.
I seem to have hit on something there, you don't happen to be one of those desperado's do you Boe? ;D
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No. Your musings generally are not grounded in reality, be it on virginity or 18th or 19th century society. Adultery was prevalent in both those centuries. In fact, Victorian society’s prudery partly was a reaction to high levels of illegitimate children. Shevchenko’s great poem, Kateryna, highlights the problem of illegitimate children among Ukrainian peasants of the time. There are hundreds of scholarly papers written on infidelity in 19th century France. You don’t even have to read history. Just read literature.
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It’s not virginity that lowers the risk of divorce. It’s religious belief. That doesn’t mean the marriage is happy though.
Correlation does not equal causation. The facts simply do not support the idea that virginity does not lower risk of divorce. The facts are quite clear. While religious belief does lower the risk of divorce, virginity has a magnitude higher effect on divorce risk.
The divorce rate for virgin brides is 3%. (American data since 2000.)
The divorce rate for religious folks is 20%-25%. (7-8 times higher chance of divorce compared to virgin brides, but only half about half the divorce rate for non-religious folks.)
Interestingly, the divorce rate for virgin brides has been dropping. It used to be 6%, but since the 2000's, it is 3%. This is also at a time when the number of folks with religious beliefs is dropping.
Marital happiness is harder to measure, but I believe it is correlated to the level of friendship the couple had prior to marriage. It's my opinion that couples actually took the time to build a close friendship prior to marriages when there are virgin brides.
There is a secret for increasing marital happiness. Simply think about the things your partner does good, or the potential in them, rather than fixating on all their flaws. If either partner thinks more about their partner's flaws rather than the things they admire about them, things go downhill fast.
Many cultures around the world, after centuries of observing family life, have concluded that virgin brides are the ideal for a happy, life-long marriage. I also believe this is the ideal.
But after your early 20's, the chances of getting an ideal marriage drops off a cliff. Then it becomes trying to find what's good enough, even if it isn't the ideal. I compare this to riding in a car with a driver who has been drinking. A sober driver is ideal, but it doesn't take many drinks to massively increase the chances of a wreck. Just like the old adage: You can't make a housewife out of a hoe. The more sexual partners a woman has had, the less she should be considered as "wife material." (There is a strong correlation between the number of sexual partners a lady has had, and her chances of divorce. There is also a correlation for men too, but the correlation is much weaker for men than it is for women.)
As people age past their 20's and into their 30's and 40's, what marriage is changes. As women pass their childbearing years, marriage isn't so much about building the best environment they can for raising children, but often morphs into a business relationship and companionship.
It's also my personal observation that the older people get, the concept of marriage is often focused by selfish desires, rather than focused on the good of everyone involved.
We are too soon old, and too late wise.
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Correlation does not equal causation. The facts simply do not support the idea that virginity does not lower risk of divorce. The facts are quite clear. While religious belief does lower the risk of divorce, virginity has a magnitude higher effect on divorce risk.
The divorce rate for virgin brides is 3%. (American data since 2000.)
The divorce rate for religious folks is 20%-25%. (7-8 times higher chance of divorce compared to virgin brides, but only half about half the divorce rate for non-religious folks.)
The studies are not about virgin brides. They're about virginity in general.
The reasons cited in those studies are religious belief. If a person is so religious, they abstain from sex before marriage even in a committed relationship, it's the religious belief that keeps them married. Not virginity.
Interestingly, the divorce rate for virgin brides has been dropping. It used to be 6%, but since the 2000's, it is 3%. This is also at a time when the number of folks with religious beliefs is dropping.
It's also a time with increasing immigration from predominantly Catholic countries, where both virginity and marriage for life are far more prevalent.
But, if you really want to ensure you don't divorce, go for an arranged marriage. Divorce is extremely rare in India (about 1% rate), where 93% of marriages are arranged.
There is a secret for increasing marital happiness. Simply think about the things your partner does good, or the potential in them, rather than fixating on all their flaws. If either partner thinks more about their partner's flaws rather than the things they admire about them, things go downhill fast.
Every marriage is its own world. What may work for you may not work for me.
Many cultures around the world, after centuries of observing family life, have concluded that virgin brides are the ideal for a happy, life-long marriage. I also believe this is the ideal.
Then you are searching in the wrong part of the world.
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The studies are not about virgin brides. They're about virginity in general.
No, I was referring to studies that were about virgin BRIDES.
Please don't be so arrogant to think that you know what studies I have been looking at.
The reasons cited in those studies are religious belief. If a person is so religious, they abstain from sex before marriage even in a committed relationship, it's the religious belief that keeps them married. Not virginity.
Some studies will cite religious reason as a possible factor. It's ridiculous to think that the only people who marry as virgins do so because of religious belief. It's not that difficult to find people who married as high school sweethearts who were not religious, and have had committed, fulfilling marriages. It's also not that difficult to find folks with religious beliefs who are divorced, often multiple times.
It's also a time with increasing immigration from predominantly Catholic countries, where both virginity and marriage for life are far more prevalent.
In America? Try India and China. Those are not Catholic countries, yet that is where a lot of immigration is coming from. But to be honest, I doubt they really impact the data all that much.
But, if you really want to ensure you don't divorce, go for an arranged marriage. Divorce is extremely rare in India (about 1% rate), where 93% of marriages are arranged.
I'm not interested in moving to India to participate in an arranged marriage.
Every marriage is its own world. What may work for you may not work for me.
No, that is universal around the world, regardless of culture. If you focus on your partner's flaws, you have less happiness. If you focus on the good characteristics of your partner, you find much more happiness. (Some people call that wearing rose colored glasses.)
Then you are searching in the wrong part of the world.
I'm not 20 years old either.
My reasons for looking for someone are not to find a life-long committed relationship to raise children in, which is what I believe the ultimate intention of marriage should be. That ship has sailed. I'm past the age for such, nor do I search for a teenage bride.
I do believe a virgin bride is the ideal. The marriages I have seen that impressed me the most, with the level of love and happiness that I would have wanted to have if I got married...these marriages have been marriages that had a virgin bride. Even when they grow old, you can see the love and adoration they have for each other. And I have never seen that level of love and adoration in a marriage that didn't involve a virgin bride.
I'm past the age of looking for a virgin bride...and I have no delusions about finding that level of love and adoration in a relationship. I don't delude myself into thinking that single mothers, divorced women, tramps, etc. are relationship material either.
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Wouldn't it be best if we brought the whole virginity test back like they did in the olden days before marriage? Doctor with mirror in hand looking up the inside the woman with the congregation looking on as witness. It could then be announced if the woman was a virgin or shamed as a hoe! Would bring great fun to proceedings :D
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Wouldn't it be best if we brought the whole virginity test back like they did in the olden days before marriage? Doctor with mirror in hand looking up the inside the woman with the congregation looking on as witness. It could then be announced if the woman was a virgin or shamed as a hoe! Would bring great fun to proceedings :D
Knock off the shitposting Trench. You are amusing no one other than your self. :cluebat:
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crossed the seas to America, his family followed him but found out he had died of Cholera in St. Louis.
That's pretty much the story everyone in America told to keep the UKer's
from coming to live here. :devil:
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Yes, ahem, well back to the topic of the question then...
I would say the ideal age to wed is actually reasonably young, around early twenties.
The thing is, is that once the whole earning money to buy asserts (house) is concerned a guy (or possibly a girl) want to be assured that the person is with them because they want to be with them. The problem is if either has either bought a house either outright or in part and the other hasn't then the one who has the house is potentially laying a lot on the line. So better people get with each other before all of that commences I think.
So for guys tends to be worst for obvious reasons. So a lot of guys as they get older consider what's more important, getting with a girl or a roof over their head. Many opt for the latter.
One thing I would say is marrying young can come with the pitfall that the couple haven't been around as long as to weigh each other up and realise that they have to get to know each other well. Many many not realise that Marriage is (or was) supposed to be a lifelong binding commitment.
I personally think it would be best if all couples had to wait at least 6 months maybe up to a year from first registering an interest to get married before they are allowed to marry. That avoids any too quick decisions to marry and time for the couple to really get to know each other. I personally would suggest that in that time all couples have to fill out a booklet each divised by relationship councillors with questions & exercises to do check the couple really realise what they are getting into and if they are suitable for each other for a lifelong commitment. Completing such along with the waiting period necessary before they get married.
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I think your worry about why someone marries is self defeating. It will ensure that you will either not marry, or you will find exactly what you seek to avoid.
Every person marrying has to get to know the person they are marrying. As I've posted before, you are strangers until you live together. You don't really know a person until you live with them.
I don't think the timeframe for committing to marriage is at all relevant. I knew the better half less than two weeks before we decided to marry. Here we are, four decades later.
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I think predicting which marriages will fail/be successful is as difficult a task as solving Fermat's last theorem.
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I think your worry about why someone marries is self defeating.
The number one reason guys marry is availability of sex. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves.
I knew the better half less than two weeks before we decided to marry. Here we are, four decades later.
But you have also said hubby was the one and only man you have been romantically involved with.
But maybe you are right, that virginity doesn't matter to the success of a marriage. /sarcasm
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I wasn’t a virgin when I married.
I just asked the better half. He said he didn’t need to marry to have sex regularly. It absolutely was not the reason he married.
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I wasn’t a virgin when I married.
OMG, does this constitute cause for banning here ??
Where is Dan when we need him ?
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The number one reason guys marry is availability of sex. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves.
This was true (mostly) for my first marriage, since I was not getting any in USA.
Not true for my second marriage.
My first wife was 100% virgin, and my second wife was 100% virgin before her first marriage.
After marrying my first wife, I often proclaimed I would never marry a virgin again or even have sex with a virgin.
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I think what we have to consider here, which hasn't been discussed so far is what sort of a moaner the woman is and whether her moaning makes you secretly laugh your arse off or make you want to run for the hills. All women as we all know love a good moan every so often :D
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I think what we have to consider here, which hasn't been discussed so far is what sort of a moaner the woman is and whether her moaning makes you secretly laugh your arse off or make you want to run for the hills. All women as we all know love a good moan every so often :D
There are many things a woman will seek in a man, tall, rich, handsome, sexy, confident,
brave, funny, interesting, witty................. Stupid? It's not on the list.
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There are many things a woman will seek in a man, tall, rich, handsome, sexy, confident,
brave, funny, interesting, witty................. Stupid? It's not on the list.
I am beginning to feel like Moby, Trench you bring out the worst in people.
I need to ignore your posts.
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28 to 32 for both partners. This is the “sweet spot,” where divorce within the first five
years of marriage is lowest.
From the NIH
Although the brain stops growing in size by early adolescence, the teen years are all about
fine-tuning how the brain works. The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late
20s. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last
parts to mature.