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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1600 on: September 10, 2020, 08:30:23 AM »
It's election period in the US, folks. In case anyone outside is wondering why the discussion is focused on Trump & admin. LMAO!

People are really trying VERY hard to create their personal versions of urban legendry aka fake news.
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2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1601 on: September 10, 2020, 02:36:17 PM »

What were citizens and residents to think all the while?  Heck, even other nations listening to the words of the most powerful leader on earth with the best and most vast resources of knowledge and experts at his beck and call.

Inconsistent messaging is deadly.

BC, in the past you have acknowledged Dr. Fauci as a reliable source.  What did Dr, Fauci say yesterday about the accusations that Trump distorted the truth?

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  Speaking with Fox News’ John Roberts, Fauci denied that he ever heard the president “distort” the threat of the coronavirus and maintained that Trump’s presentations to the public were largely in line with discussions he’d had with medical experts. When asked whether he ever felt Trump was downplaying the severity of the coronavirus, Fauci said no.


http://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/09/anthony-fauci-trump-woodward-coronavirus-410895

Yes, the pandemic was hugely disruptive, approaching 200,000 deaths, and swelling the ranks of unemployed workers to 20 million.  The bottom line, America is now getting back to normal.  People are returning to their jobs.  We are adapting to the virus.  The world may end some day, but not from this virus. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1602 on: September 10, 2020, 07:29:02 PM »
Are we really so weak that our citizens cannot handle the truth?

Something is very, very wrong with those defending Trump's efforts to keep us from knowing what's really happening, facts that would enable folks to make informed choices accordingly and save lives.  His decision is totally indefensible.

LMAO. I wish I had popcorn just about now.

Anyway please let me introduce Mr Ron Klain. Mr Klain was in VP Biden’s 2009-2010 H1N1 ViRUS Response Team. If that wasn’t enough, Obama appointed him member of his 2014-2015 Ebola Response Team.

Here’s Mr Klain speaking on C-SPAN last May 14, 2019 recalling how deadly efficient Obama’s administration was in handling that virus epidemic.

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We did every possible thing wrong....it is a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history!
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3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1603 on: September 10, 2020, 10:18:15 PM »
and what is US debt to GDP ratio? 140% and growing?

If Italy owed 500 billion, is it better than America if America owed 6 trillion but is owed 9 trillion? No. America is in better financial shape than every nation on earth. We talked about this before but you still only want to talk America's debt and not what we are owed. Kinda like liberals talking about Trump's few business failures and ignoring his successful businesses which greatly outnumber the failed ones. America has controlling shares in the World Bank and IMF because we have the most money to loan. Click the photo attached to enlarge it to learn America is owed 50% more than we owe.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1604 on: September 11, 2020, 07:58:49 AM »

Last month, former Florida State basketball center Michael Ojo died from a heart attack in Serbia; Ojo had recovered from the coronavirus before he collapsed on the basketball court. An Ohio State University cardiologist found that between 10 and 13 percent of university athletes who had recovered from COVID-19 had myocarditis. When the Big Ten athletic conference announced the cancellation of its season last month, Commissioner Kevin Warren cited the risk of heart failure in athletes. Researchers have estimated that up to 20 percent of people who get the coronavirus sustain heart damage.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/post-covid-heart-damage-alarms-researchers-there-was-a-black-hole-in-infected-cells-172015067.html
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1605 on: September 11, 2020, 09:01:41 AM »
If Italy owed 500 billion, is it better than America if America owed 6 trillion but is owed 9 trillion? No. America is in better financial shape than every nation on earth. We talked about this before but you still only want to talk America's debt and not what we are owed. Kinda like liberals talking about Trump's few business failures and ignoring his successful businesses which greatly outnumber the failed ones. America has controlling shares in the World Bank and IMF because we have the most money to loan. Click the photo attached to enlarge it to learn America is owed 50% more than we owe.

Billy,

I asked a very simple question you did not answer.  You pointed out debt to gdp ratio of Italy and I asked for the same for the US. Did you find it?

Since you went off on a tangent, I'll ask a question about that as well.  Does your chart show what the US Government directly owes to other nations governments and Governments of other nations owe the US, or also the value of financial instruments like stocks and bonds and other treasuries that citizens of different countries hold?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1606 on: September 11, 2020, 09:37:52 AM »
You pointed out debt to gdp ratio of Italy and I asked for the same for the US. Did you find it?



I'm not discussing Italy's debt to gdp ratio although it was part of the article I submitted. I'm discussing a nation's financial health during the pandemic and I wanted to show Italy has to borrow money from outside sources to get through the pandemic. America is loaning money to help other nations get though the pandemic. Italy borrows a lot but doesn't loan a lot so they are in true debt. America is a very healthy nation and we are owed trillions more than we owe. Any nation would love to be in our shoes yet people insinuate we are very poor since we have the biggest debt always leaving out the fact we are owed much more than we owe.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1607 on: September 11, 2020, 09:57:21 AM »
Billy,

you don't seem to understand the chart you are using.  Do the research and get back with me.  If you need help, just ask and I'll send you the links that substantiate the chart.

Hint: Why is Cayman Islands such a big buyer of US securities?

I hope you enjoy learning from this little homework assignment.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1608 on: September 11, 2020, 10:27:20 AM »


I already did my homework. I'm happy with the financial shape America is in. You seem unhappy about it thinking we are only in debt and are worried about the Cayman Islands buying US securities. The Cayman Islands should worry more about a single American billionaire owning them.


http://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/business/kenneth-dart-cayman-islands.html
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1609 on: September 11, 2020, 11:04:14 AM »
Let me help you Billy.

Pippo in Europe buys a US treasury note.  One day they cash in and the US Treasury pays them.

BillyB in the US buys an Italian Government Bond.  One day they cash in and the Italian Treasury pays them.

Did the Italian Treasury owe or pay the US Treasury anything? Obviously not.

So debts of the US Treasury is not 'offset' or otherwise 'balanced' by Foreign government securities they sold to citizens, or banks, or whomever, wherever.

Sure, governments all over the world buy each other's debt, mainly to have instruments to use to minimize currency fluctuations if necessary, but that is not what your chart shows.

It seems you were not successful or not interested in completing this simple homework assignment.

Here is the source document to back up my assertions.  It is referenced at the bottom right corner of your chart (the fine print).  You have to search around a bit for the .pdf link.

http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/shca2015_report.pdf

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For the purposes of this report, U.S. portfolio investment in foreign securities includes all foreign securities owned by U.S. residents except those that are part of a direct investment relationship between the U.S. resident ownerof the foreign securities and the foreign issuer of the securities. Direct investment means ownership or control, directly or indirectly, by one person or by a group of affiliated persons, of an interest of 10 percent or more of the voting stock of an incorporated business enterprise, or the equivalent in an unincorporated enterprise.

I hope this information helps you better understand the true meaning and context of the chart you have used a couple of times here at RWD to somehow show that the US Treasury is owed more than debt it has sold, thus we're in great shape.


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1610 on: September 11, 2020, 11:11:03 AM »

BC, it's not complicated. America is owed more than it owes. Can you show me where Italy is owed more than they owe?

Pertaining to the Coronavirus pandemic, America can take care of its people and still loan money to other nations for their problems. Italy had to borrow enormous amounts of money to take care of its coronavirus problems. Why are we discussing this? Because it needs to be factored into which nation is doing best in handling the pandemic since you're claiming America's response under Trump was a disaster.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1611 on: September 11, 2020, 11:18:11 AM »
By the good graces of the lordee-lou, let's pray this is a momentary blip, if not an aberration altogether.

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As of 11 September 2020, 183,697 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK

http://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1612 on: September 11, 2020, 11:18:27 AM »
BC, it's not complicated.

Indeed, it is not.  Your interpretation however is.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1613 on: September 11, 2020, 11:27:28 AM »
By the good graces of the lordee-lou, let's pray this is a momentary blip, if not an aberration altogether.

GQ,

The figure for deaths EU+UK is correct.

The population EU+UK is 512 million or so.  US 331 million.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1614 on: September 11, 2020, 11:34:56 AM »
By the good graces of the lordee-lou, let's pray this is a momentary blip, if not an aberration altogether.

http://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Europe's death rate and case fatality rate are much worse than America's. Do we blame their woes on bad handling of the pandemic, worse health care system or both?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1615 on: September 11, 2020, 11:46:23 AM »
Europe's death rate and case fatality rate are much worse than America's. Do we blame their woes on bad handling of the pandemic, worse health care system or both?

No. That would be incredibly pointless, if not downright insanely irresponsible. You must remember nearly all of the EU nation/region exercised STRICT lockdown/shutdown as to minimize total fatality number to the virus remember? More importantly neither of us are anywhere there, so how can we have any knowledge to any reason why, much less lay the blame on anything or anyone....

Very strictly, yes indeedy.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1616 on: September 11, 2020, 11:49:18 AM »
Europe's death rate and case fatality rate are much worse than America's. Do we blame their woes on bad handling of the pandemic, worse health care system or both?

US 594 deaths per million
EU+UK 358 deaths per million

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1617 on: September 11, 2020, 12:53:58 PM »

Here’s Mr Klain speaking on C-SPAN last May 14, 2019 recalling how deadly efficient Obama’s administration was in handling that virus epidemic.

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We did every possible thing wrong....it is a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history!


Is he saying outbreaks of virulent  diseases are problematic challenges, and the health science field doesn't have perfect information about what to do?  What a shock!


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1618 on: September 11, 2020, 01:24:36 PM »
Is he saying outbreaks of virulent  diseases are problematic challenges, and the health science field doesn't have perfect information about what to do?  What a shock!

Shocking?!? Don't be silly Phil...it's been more than obvious of late that it depends on your political affiliation.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1619 on: September 11, 2020, 01:56:47 PM »
Vaccine news. 

The developers of COVID vaccines are analyzing the question of what caused the one case of transverse myelitis, necessitating the Oxford-AstraZeneca trials be paused.   

If caused by the viral vector and not the epitope, there are some vaccines being developed that do not use a viral vector platform.  Two are those being developed by Moderna and Pfizer, both of which are a couple of months into Phase 3 trails. 

Keep our fingers crossed.  While Kamala said she will not choose to be vaccinated (how's that for leadership?), the world needs an effective and safe vaccine.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1620 on: September 11, 2020, 02:08:05 PM »
US 594 deaths per million
EU+UK 358 deaths per million

The link GQ provided is out of Europe. They provide a lot of data and they clearly show total deaths and cases and after doing the math, Europe has a much higher rate of death per case than America.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1621 on: September 11, 2020, 02:29:34 PM »
BillyB,

variance and differences between IFR and CFR have been discussed.  Not valuable nor accurate for comparative use unless the same counting standards and methods are applied, usually not the case in different countries.  Refer to previous posts and see website disclaimers.

In any case, won't save any of the dead or change the number of 'em.


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1622 on: September 11, 2020, 10:02:24 PM »

Although China claims to have only 157 active COVID cases, they've injected hundreds of thousands of people with two experimental vaccines.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-injects-hundreds-of-thousands-with-experimental-covid-19-vaccines/ar-BB18W5Ta?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1623 on: September 12, 2020, 07:15:09 AM »
Vaccine news. 

Kamala said she will not choose to be vaccinated (how's that for leadership?), the world needs an effective and safe vaccine.


What if there isn't one or ever will be? Like the mask mandate of needing one to enter a store. Maybe we cannot travel unless we show proof of taking the vaccine?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1624 on: September 12, 2020, 12:49:44 PM »

Maybe we cannot travel unless we show proof of taking the vaccine?

Or attend a sport event?  Can employers require their employees be vaccinated?

Mandating any vaccination is a legal issue.

But first we must develop a safe and effective vaccine, and then manufacture and distribute doses.   

   

 

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