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Title: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2019, 04:59:35 PM
So what does a FSW mean when she says she wants 'a smart guy who knows what he wants?'

Now I'm guessing that she doesn't mean that he's able to decide what meal he's going for when waiting in queue at McDonald's.

I hear FSW say this sort of thing a fair bit, also from some Western Women also. It could mean the same thing I'm guessing or it could be different. I have my ideas on what she likely means by this but I could be way of base for all I know. What are the thoughts of members here on this?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: JayH on November 30, 2019, 10:52:42 PM
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Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 01, 2019, 12:05:46 AM
Trench,You are over intellectualizing. 
Now my opinion is that you have to drop this shit, because that very likely some things written on women profiles, mainly ppl sites. BUT not by women who own the photos.
And this shit is written by terps, this a pattern i have found through thousands profiles i have read. This is only the expression of deviated reality.   
So avoid to spend hours to  :wallbash: your head with such shit.     
 
Focus on learning russian and dating locally women.   
There is nothing good coming from interpreting something CONCEPTUAL, women need to be lived, to be experimented. The women/men reality is emotionnal, NOT conceptual. 

You will never solve an parametric equation with salt, butter, onions, milk and potatoes.
   
 
Trench, tell me, am i wrong, yes or no ?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2019, 01:05:21 AM
Trench,

You frequently demonstrate you don't have a clue and listen to / read some daft recommendations on how to 'pull'..

There's a clue as to a woman sensing a guy who is comfortable in his skin and confident in his actions...

Think about it..


Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 02:05:52 AM
Trench,

You frequently demonstrate you don't have a clue and listen to / read some daft recommendations on how to 'pull'..

There's a clue as to a woman sensing a guy who is comfortable in his skin and confident in his actions...

Think about it..

He tells her what to do.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Davo on December 01, 2019, 02:36:47 AM
Trench, it’s safe to say you should have learnt all you ever will by now on this forum. Now it’s time to get real life experience in the company of FSU people of both sexes and you’ll see exactly what this means.

I’ve just spent a few days in a car with my Russian mate and two FSU women. We’ve traveled almost the whole length of Vietnam on a road trip from North to South. Now We are having 3 rest days and for me some quality one on one time with a wonderful Russian woman.

I’ve learnt far more in those days about FSU relationships and dating from talking to him and watching him interact with his GF, than I did spending 3 weeks in Russia basically living with a woman and things are really falling in to place for me. He’s shown me in actions some of the mistakes I unintentionally made earlier this year.

Look at this like studying for a career or a trade......There’s only so much you can learn from books and theory, the real learning and understanding happens on the job.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 01, 2019, 03:48:19 AM
He tells her what to do.
No, no.............   
He invites her in his world because this world is joy, this world is fun, this world is interesting, 
And by bringing her own personality, her initiatives, her tenderness and her caring of this man   
They build a better world 
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 04:56:39 AM
Trench, it’s safe to say you should have learnt all you ever will by now on this forum. Now it’s time to get real life experience in the company of FSU people of both sexes and you’ll see exactly what this means.

I’ve just spent a few days in a car with my Russian mate and two FSU women. We’ve traveled almost the whole length of Vietnam on a road trip from North to South. Now We are having 3 rest days and for me some quality one on one time with a wonderful Russian woman.

I’ve learnt far more in those days about FSU relationships and dating from talking to him and watching him interact with his GF, than I did spending 3 weeks in Russia basically living with a woman and things are really falling in to place for me. He’s shown me in actions some of the mistakes I unintentionally made earlier this year.

Look at this like studying for a career or a trade......There’s only so much you can learn from books and theory, the real learning and understanding happens on the job.

Such as?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Davo on December 01, 2019, 06:38:58 AM
Here’s just several things I noticed.

First he doesn’t over analyse a woman’s mood, words or actions.... I’m guilty of this and so are you constantly.

He leads with confidence, but not arrogant confidence in everything he does. If things don’t go to plan he’s not stressed or shows it emotionally. He always remains calm.... Kind of like a James Bond type persona.

He will compliment his woman a lot more than I would, but it doesn’t come across as being needy, desperate or putting her on a pedestal, because there’s an air of masculinity and confidence about him that guys you associate with being an alpha male display..... This is a strong woman but he has the ability to turn her into a blushing school girl when ever her wants, or like putty in his hands.

He deals with people who hassle and annoy his woman with a brutal no nonsense efficiency
that usually leaves them scuttling away in the opposite direction without daring to say another word or even glance her way.

I’ve noticed Russian men at good conversationalists with a very good sense of humour. My mate is no different and always has the women in his presence hanging off every word and laughing often.

He’s a risk taker and doesn’t necessarily do everything by the letter of the law. If you can get away with something with little risk of getting caught, then by all means do it.... hence being told it’s my turn to drive even though I have no valid drivers license in this country.


Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 06:57:16 AM
Here’s just several things I noticed.

First he doesn’t over analyse a woman’s mood, words or actions.... I’m guilty of this and so are you constantly.

He leads with confidence, but not arrogant confidence in everything he does. If things don’t go to plan he’s not stressed or shows it emotionally. He always remains calm.... Kind of like a James Bond type persona.

He will compliment his woman a lot more than I would, but it doesn’t come across as being needy, desperate or putting her on a pedestal, because there’s an air of masculinity and confidence about him that guys you associate with being an alpha male display..... This is a strong woman but he has the ability to turn her into a blushing school girl when ever her wants, or like putty in his hands.

He deals with people who hassle and annoy his woman with a brutal no nonsense efficiency
that usually leaves them scuttling away in the opposite direction without daring to say another word.

I’ve noticed Russian men at good conversationalists with a very good sense of humour. My mate is no different and always has the women in his presence hanging of every word.

He’s a risk taker and doesn’t necessarily do everything the letter of the law. If you can get away with something with little risk of getting caught, then by all means do it.... hence being told it’s my turn to drive even though I have no valid drivers license in this country.

Interesting, do you think this is what a girl means when she says 'a guy who knows what he wants'?

Over time I have noticed how women use these phrasebook type of phases time over and again. I am usually either puzzled or take then at face value. Yet over time I have come to find out that there is usually the female interpretation that is well wide of my face value view of the phrase.

For example in the above 'knows what he wants' phrases I would have thought it meant a guy who 'knows what career goal he is aiming for, wants a nice house, nice car, three kids and a wife' sort by of thing. Yet my previous experience of hearing such phrasebook phrases from women normally tells me that women have a certain hidden interpretation of this phrase. Some men perhaps like your friend will naturally fall into it or might learn it like you did.

Did you get the impression that this is the way he naturally is or just perhaps from the relationship getting close over time?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Davo on December 01, 2019, 07:43:07 AM
I think it’s a combination of many things.... A leader who can take charge and is confident, but not in a domineering or arrogant manner. A man who is driven to succeed and be the best he can be in life.  If you’re motivated and successful then you can also provide the good things in life. An intelligent guy who has a good sense of humour and is interesting to talk to, both privately and in a social setting.  Someone who can provide some excitement in life and isn’t just going to spend his free time sitting on the couch. Someone who can communicate well and offer emotional support. All women want these qualities no matter where they live or what culture they come from.

I suspect Russian men’s attitudes regarding relationships, women and dating comes naturally and is learnt through their childhood and teen years just like we do.

The question is how many of these Russian qualities do you need to adopt to be successful?...... I’ve been told several times that “You’re the man!!” so obviously I wasn’t being the man in that situation for comments like that to be directed to me 🤔

Trench I think this is the best advice I can suggest, Bills wise words......,: “FSUW are not for entry level daters” ..... If I was you I’d be hitting tinder at home for a year or two and get spend some time in a few casual relationships. There are plenty of attractive milfs in their early 40’s just looking for some fun after being in long marriages. Get some runs on the relationship board, money in your pocket and some confidence that both of those bring and then have another go with FSU dating.



Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: JayH on December 01, 2019, 08:03:36 AM
.... I’ve been told several times that “You’re the man!!”  🤔

I reckon that is so that when something turns to s...t -- you ( the man !) is responsible and gets the blame !!

Seriously  -- I really like Pat comments upthread --and Davo is living a reality. Learning by exposure  of seeing it. To me --it  is natural normal instinct of how I have always been .  The other part is I have always been respectful and genuinely interested in peoples lives -- and being sincere goes a long way. You have to be it -- not act it .
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: krimster2 on December 01, 2019, 09:37:08 AM
in “mick mouse” Russian speak (ya gotta watch this hilarious video!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSC6J-0lPQ

it means an “alpha male” and not a “beta male”, NONE of y’all are “betas”, right?
haha...

ALL ATTRACTIVE WOMEN have this problem of having to deal with betas...
my daughters and their Russian girl friends complain most vociferously about this specific issue...

as for myself...
I don’t behave like a beta...
and I don’t look like a beta...
ONLY betas struggle with Russian women....
alphas don’t!!!
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 01, 2019, 10:07:35 AM
I think it’s a combination of many things.... A leader who can take charge and is confident, but not in a domineering or arrogant manner. A man who is driven to succeed and be the best he can be in life.  If you’re motivated and successful then you can also provide the good things in life. An intelligent guy who has a good sense of humour and is interesting to talk to, both privately and in a social setting.  Someone who can provide some excitement in life and isn’t just going to spend his free time sitting on the couch. Someone who can communicate well and offer emotional support. All women want these qualities no matter where they live or what culture they come from.
ето я
 
This is how i behave, and especially after five years of marriage with a strong RW in her personality.   
 
Last summer i dated a nice and successful french woman and she was quite surprised in the way of how i was taking the leardship on the date. She expressed her surprise only one time, after she enjoyed.   
 
The same with my ex french girlfriend of this summer, she was working hard, two children and don't have many time. So we setup a week end of shared vacations. I told her ok i will manage all. I didn't call her, and surely not every hour, asking "do you think?" "Do you like" "Maybe we can go there or there".     
I took only her limitations in account, not less than two hours of driving from her mother's place. Respected her budget (she even saved some money), and when it was time to adapt the schedule during the vacations i was enough flexible to do it accordingly to her wish. 
She was more an old fashioned woman recognizing that men have their place in the couple, the society and telling that's a mistake when women take control of everything in a life. 
I got continuous compliments during two months.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: ML on December 01, 2019, 10:19:15 AM
I think it’s a combination of many things.... A leader who can take charge and is confident, but not in a domineering or arrogant manner.  A guy who has a good sense of humor and is interesting to talk to, both privately and in a social setting.  Someone who can provide some excitement in life and isn’t just going to spend his free time sitting on the couch. Someone who can communicate well and offer emotional support. All women want these qualities no matter where they live or what culture they come from.


I think the above sums up why I have been able to be somewhat successful with FSU  women.

But interestingly, my 'abilities' did not come from previous extensive dating in USA (I was married for a hundred years or so, and had practically zero dates with USA women after separation and divorce), but rather from interacting with hundreds of business women at all levels in my consulting jobs.

Many, many FSU gals have told me that after just a few hours with them, they feel as if they have known me for several years.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 01, 2019, 10:25:52 AM

The question is how many of these Russian qualities do you need to adopt to be successful?...... I’ve been told several times that “You’re the man!!” so obviously I wasn’t being the man in that situation for comments like that to be directed to me 🤔
Trench I think this is the best advice I can suggest, Bills wise words......,: “FSUW are not for entry level daters” .....

By the way if a RW tells you "you're the man", it means effectively that you have missed something. 
As Krimster2 wrote, it shows that you are expressing some beta behavior. 
It's not really your fault, it's this western culture that is pushing you, and faster and faster, months after months, to the beta behavior. 
Really, i am totally serious. 
So you have been raised with the "try to always be nice" "please to people" "don't tell the truth to not hurt someone" "avoid conflicts" "don't express your direct interest to a woman", globally hide your dick, don't show you have a dick, please let it at home before jumping in the car. 
 Days after days we are nurtured by an increasing BS in those puppy societies while the meaning of life, the meaning of relationship is lost to the profit of MATERIALISTIC things due to an overwhelming capitalism and also, due to an increased MISANDRY. 
       
Look "may i invite you to the restaurant, i don't want to bother you" pussssssssssssssssssyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !     
better "i would like to invite you to the restaurant"     
better "i am free tomorrow, maybe we could have a meal together"     
better "I would like to invite you to the restaurant, but i hesitate because you look very  dangerous and my mum is waiting me sunday for the lunch" Alllllllffffffffffaaaaaaa
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: ML on December 01, 2019, 10:36:07 AM

       
Look "may i invite you to the restaurant, i don't want to bother you" pussssssssssssssssssyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !     
better "i would like to invite you to the restaurant"     
better "i am free tomorrow, maybe we could have a meal together"     
better "I would like to invite you to the restaurant, but i hesitate because you look very  dangerous and my mum is waiting me Sunday for the lunch" Alllllllffffffffffaaaaaaa

Best:  I will pick you up at 7 PM; or Meet me at XYZ at 7 PM.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 01, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
I think the above sums up why I have been able to be somewhat successful with FSU  women.

But interestingly, my 'abilities' did not come from previous extensive dating in USA (I was married for a hundred years or so, and had practically zero dates with USA women after separation and divorce), but rather from interacting with hundreds of business women at all levels in my consulting jobs.

Many, many FSU gals have told me that after just a few hours with them, they feel as if they have known me for several years.

 
ML brings here a key notion in dating : comfort.
You cannot make a move, escalate with a woman if you don't have enough comfort.That's a basic of the game.   
   
BUT
   
How could be comfortable with this society that have trained you to hide all your personality behing a TON of BS ? 
and now second question, HOW a girl could be comfortable with a man who is NOT COMFORTABLE with himself ???????????????????????????????????
 
Tell me.
 
And guess what, what it is said about men who are comfortable with themselves? They are confident. And now send me a woman who tells that confident men are not attractive, i would meet her if she exists.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 01, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
Best:  I will pick you up at 7 PM; or Meet me at XYZ at 7 PM.
Yes it works also, with RW especially  ;D
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 12:08:26 PM
I think you are dead right Pat, being comfortable and confident about yourself is probably a big part of what they mean when they say 'that he knows what he wants'. That is probably the short form essence of it that you have there.

I think you are also right about western society, it teaches men to be effeminate with all the way we are supposed to be have. I've known guys of the older generation who are direct about what they say and come across more masculine and confident as a result. No woolly long explanations and delicately phrasing stuff. If we consider FSU people in general they are much more of this way.

Conflict is a big area we are socialised into avoiding in western society or rather fear of it. It can if course be a problem in a relationship with a FSW or probably any woman as not handling it right can send the relationship south quickly and potentially irretrievably. Yet I get the impression that it is better to say what you want and not worry about conflict with a FSW than to go into beta mode and either back out of what you want or seek compromise.

I think feminism creates a lot of beta behaviour out if fear of being hauled over the coals if a guy dare do anything feminists are against. Society also plays a large part too I think, in western countries a lot of the industrial jobs have gone to be replace with 'service' sector jobs where politeness and subservient behaviour are the key. When I was younger I has a job in a supermarket and later did office work. Both these jobs are prevelent in our society but both entail pleasing both customer & bosses and there is usually a lot of company PR aimed at doing this in companies, one word out if place and big problems can occur. That's not a great way to avoid beta learning behaviour.

In the next year I will start to get some Independant income and could possibly be in a position to quit my job by around next Christmas. The job I'm in at the moment is not too bad on the beta behaviour front but too not be under the thumb off an employer but still bring in an income will cast me free to be and act as I wish.

With that I will be able to seek extra income in a way that is more Alpha leaning than beta. That should aid me a fair amount I think.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2019, 12:28:05 PM
Such as?

Trench,

You only look for things that validate your goofball opinions and views.
You need to stop wasting your time with this silly validation seeking
and spend it instead doing two things.

1. Making more money, you need to at least double your income. 
2. Seeking for a FSUW who will like you. Most FSUW won't like you,
your attitudes or opinions, so you need to find one who will. It will
require a lot of effort and a great deal of time.

You won't do either thing obviously, but I am writing this so that any
newbie who follows this thread can see what somebody who knows
what he's talking about would recommend.

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Bee Farmer on December 01, 2019, 12:36:12 PM
So what does a FSW mean when she says she wants 'a smart guy who knows what he wants?'

Have you ever been around someone who is extremely indecisive and wishy-washy? 

Don't be that guy.

Women want the opposite of that wishy-washy guy.  Be decisive.  Have goals and direction in your life.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 12:48:08 PM
ALL ATTRACTIVE WOMEN have this problem of having to deal with betas...
my daughters and their Russian girl friends complain most vociferously about this specific issue...

as for myself...
I don’t behave like a beta...
and I don’t look like a beta...
ONLY betas struggle with Russian women....
alphas don’t!!!

Why what do your daughters & her Russian girlfriends say?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 01:02:02 PM
Have you ever been around someone who is extremely indecisive and wishy-washy? 

Don't be that guy.

Women want the opposite of that wishy-washy guy.  Be decisive.  Have goals and direction in your life.

In most cases I'm usually quite decisive. On a few matters I may take a few moments to think if it's something that comes across as a big deal that I am not really sure on. Most stuff though I decide on straight away.

I have also goals and direction in my life though I don't usually promote these unless I'm sure if the person I'm with. People can seek to stuff you up or get jealous if you let on what you have in mind or copy it, etc.

I don't mind taking decisions except when in situations I know little about. For example places to visit in a city I have never been too before. I think in this regard I need do a be like Moby and do a good bit of Oirish Blagging ;D

I've made mistakes with FSW I have met mostly that I should have decided what I wanted to do. It's not that I was objectionable to some of the stuff some of the women I was with wanted to do, it intrigued me at the time. More that I can see now that some of them can be very much into satisfying the man and to act otherwise is probably alien territory to them and not a place they are comfortable being and hence doing damage to the relationship.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: krimster2 on December 01, 2019, 01:20:59 PM
beeboy
that’s a quite profound philosophical observation you made there from the perspective of general English language semantics and understanding...

but the more relevant perspective perspective would be “feminine psychology”...
obviously, not a subject you’re familiar with out there in “Hawg Hollar”...

golly beeboy, a whole year has gone by...
didja git any?
no?
awwwww......what a surprise :)
not really... LOL... :)

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: krimster2 on December 01, 2019, 01:40:33 PM
"Why what do your daughters & her Russian girlfriends say?"

they have IMMENSE frustration with the "cluelessnes" of the majority of guys...
it's 100% the reason that younger girls are going out with older dewds, because the younger dewds have "NO GAME"!!! and no idea they have no game!!!
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 01, 2019, 01:46:58 PM
Trench, when i made a game workshop long time ago,
of the four guys we were, the only one to not get a phone number during the party event was a french guy living two hours of car of my city.
We became "friends".
During the two years i met him, he never aboarded a woman and i never see with a woman.
However he became an internet specialist on a dedicated forum. 
   
I Would like to avoid you this pain Trench, nothing HERE will help you, even if you have the biggest knowledge of the world about relationships with FSUW
You can spend night and days dicing every post and even buying the last quantic  computer to stock all datas and it will have NO WORTH.
 
Because the main thing with women is to spend maximum time with them. Some guys have never read anything about pua, the game, psychology, but they have figure out through hundreds, thousands of failures how to get through and understand what is successful by driving iterative series, eliminating the unsuccessful ones, they built the path of their success like pyramid to get to the top. They were like you, i would say often less lucky, less educated but found their way. 
 
But they were not masturbate their brains in front of a keyboard. And it's exactly because they were FED UP to have a miserable geek life, farmer life, lonely seller life that they decide to go to the field and to fight. 
 
And as you are not in your twenties your time is counted.
So rather than to elaborate endless conceptual posts here, i would prefer you come back only to make a REPORT of every of your dates and focus to meet local girls, which are the indispensable step before dating FSUW

Don't make the confusion to date FSUW because you couldn't meet local girls, FSUW are not a shortcut for guys who are game clueless (see Krimster above, and don't think that ML, Bill, Billy, Jone Gator, Faux Pas will disagree), that quite the opposite in fact.

Each time i saw you posting here, it means that you spent more time to be alone rather than to get what you want. Each time you are alone (doesn't have any value if you even meet friends) rather than dating girls,  you reinforce your inability to date women in the future. And they damned smell it from the next mile i can tell you.
Title: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2019, 02:37:53 PM
Because the main thing with women is to spend maximum time with them.

Pat,

I 100% agree

Spending time with us at the forum contemplating some theory or
concept is a waste of time. That time would be far better spent
with a real woman.

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 02:49:21 PM
I know what you mean Pat, to be honest I will hopefully get back at it this week. Some stuff came up and I haven't been able to get to it as soon as I would have. So in general I ask stuff about FSU dating stuff to hat I become curious about when I am simply unable to get involved with it.

I've just this week partially rewritten my dating profile and just need to put it online with some new photos. I think this new profile will better reflect me and my lifestyle. I'm not saying it will land me any more women but I'm in a position to make a contact again with these women. Before I lacked the time & money was a bit short but both have improved a bit of late. Work on my house is nearing completion so not too much to do there now.

So yes getting out there and getting more experience first hand is my main goal. I don't mind travelling in winter to the FSU now as I'm more used to the scene. I really do enjoy meeting FSW as I find them enjoyable company to be with. So to this purpose I will now set about :)
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: BillyB on December 01, 2019, 05:57:04 PM
So what does a FSW mean when she says she wants 'a smart guy who knows what he wants?'

Now I'm guessing that she doesn't mean that he's able to decide what meal he's going for when waiting in queue at McDonald's.

I hear FSW say this sort of thing a fair bit, also from some Western Women also. It could mean the same thing I'm guessing or it could be different. I have my ideas on what she likely means by this but I could be way of base for all I know. What are the thoughts of members here on this?

Women tend to want a man that is smarter than her and can make good decisions. That'll earn her respect. With respect earned a woman will be able to love you. She doesn't want a boy she needs to babysit and make all the decisions for him. If you do meet up with a woman, do not ask her the same questions you're asking here. You're supposed to have all the answers in life without her help.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Davo on December 01, 2019, 06:19:22 PM

By the way if a RW tells you "you're the man", it means effectively that you have missed something. 


The first time was before we met and similar to what you brought up regarding the French woman, but I didn’t have your knowledge Pat.

I planned to meet K in my country and I asked her where would she like to visit on her holiday?
“You’re the man, I’m happy with what you decide”...... Married guys how often does this backfire when she isn’t happy with your choices?


The other was in Russia and come from K’s friend S. She insinuated I wasn’t fulfilling my manly duties. I opened a bottle of champagne in my apartment, but neglected to pour K & S a glass immediately, while they prepared some food. She said something in broken English along the lines of “In Russia a man is gentleman and pours champagne for a woman” I was being a Gentleman and waited to see how much K wanted in her glass as she’s not a big drinker. S on the other hand drinks a little more and was impatient and couldn’t wait until she was seated, but I’ve learnt from that and in the future a woman will drink what I serve her.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 06:50:28 PM
The first time was before we met and similar to what you brought up regarding the French woman, but I didn’t have your knowledge Pat.

I planned to meet K in my country and I asked her where would she like to visit on her holiday?
“You’re the man, I’m happy with what you decide”...... Married guys how often does this backfire when she isn’t happy with your choices?


The other was in Russia and come from K’s friend S. She insinuated I wasn’t fulfilling my manly duties. I opened a bottle of champagne in my apartment, but neglected to pour K & S a glass immediately, while they prepared some food. She said something in broken English along the lines of “In Russia a man is gentleman and pours champagne for a woman” I was being a Gentleman and waited to see how much K wanted in her glass as she’s not a big drinker. S on the other hand drinks a little more and was impatient and couldn’t wait until she was seated, but I’ve learnt from that and in the future a woman will drink what I serve her.

Indeed Davo, that is what I have come to see from my experiences. It's sounds bad by western society (again beta stuff) but in the FSU with women the best policy seems to be to go with what satisfies you and the woman will respect you.

I'm no saying don't satisfy the woman but going for what you want and not worrying seems to work there. It's kind of like if women see that you are getting what you are wanting they respect you more for it. In your case with the champagne just going the whole hog and not caring about the trivialities of whether she only wanted so much was the thing to do. Almost like the woman there read into your subconscious and the more timid approach we are taught by society commonly in the west.

This is kind of what I mean above in that not knowing this stuff can floor a guy time and again. It could well be that the same guy makes the same mistakes without realising it and doesn't realise why he keeps failing in the FSU with the women.

Hence why it makes sense for me to ask this stuff during the spare few moments I get during periods that I can't get out in the FSU. Otherwise I could expend a lot of effort and energy failing with women I want.

As Krim rightly says that if a guy doesn't act right then he will keep on failing no matter how many times he tries.

Even from my first attempt at this I can see mistakes I made but also the odd bit where I did momentarily get it without realising it. If I had that time over again I would do it differently knowing what I now know.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2019, 06:54:41 PM
Women tend to want a man that is smarter than her and can make good decisions. That'll earn her respect. With respect earned a woman will be able to love you. She doesn't want a boy she needs to babysit and make all the decisions for him. If you do meet up with a woman, do not ask her the same questions you're asking here. You're supposed to have all the answers in life without her help.

Thanks Billy, your right there, it's one area where I do tend to do well in as I'm quite a capable guy in terms of sorting out problems, etc. Nearly all of the decisions I make are good ones also. Admittedly I fall down on the social side a bit, hence the stuff I ask here. That said I'm savvy enough to know not to ask a FSW this stuff lol, In not that bad ;D
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: BillyB on December 01, 2019, 07:26:44 PM
I do tend to do well in as I'm quite a capable guy in terms of sorting out problems,


Well... lets see if you're as good as you say you are. You're standing in line at McDonalds with a lady you're on a date with. You ask her what she wants. She says the Big Mac and Quarter Pounder looks good but says "You choose". What will you choose to impress her? There's only one right answer.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 02, 2019, 01:43:46 AM
I know what you mean Pat, to be honest I will hopefully get back at it this week. Some stuff came up and I haven't been able to get to it as soon as I would have. So in general I ask stuff about FSU dating stuff to hat I become curious about when I am simply unable to get involved with it.

I've just this week partially rewritten my dating profile and just need to put it online with some new photos. I think this new profile will better reflect me and my lifestyle. I'm not saying it will land me any more women but I'm in a position to make a contact again with these women. Before I lacked the time & money was a bit short but both have improved a bit of late. Work on my house is nearing completion so not too much to do there now.

So yes getting out there and getting more experience first hand is my main goal. I don't mind travelling in winter to the FSU now as I'm more used to the scene. I really do enjoy meeting FSW as I find them enjoyable company to be with. So to this purpose I will now set about :)
Trench, you have missed a large part of what i have written.This not about update your profile and meeting FSUW, which will happen only one or two times per year (i am wrong?), NO it's about to meet women around you, every day, and they are all over you.
Do it as a training, so the pressure will be low. I don't ask you to seal the deal, i ask you to approach them, spend good time with her, that will be a debut.

2/ make more money 
3/ Keep the gym
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 02, 2019, 03:19:18 AM
The first time was before we met and similar to what you brought up regarding the French woman, but I didn’t have your knowledge Pat.

I planned to meet K in my country and I asked her where would she like to visit on her holiday?
“You’re the man, I’m happy with what you decide”...... Married guys how often does this backfire when she isn’t happy with your choices?


The other was in Russia and come from K’s friend S. She insinuated I wasn’t fulfilling my manly duties. I opened a bottle of champagne in my apartment, but neglected to pour K & S a glass immediately, while they prepared some food. She said something in broken English along the lines of “In Russia a man is gentleman and pours champagne for a woman” I was being a Gentleman and waited to see how much K wanted in her glass as she’s not a big drinker. S on the other hand drinks a little more and was impatient and couldn’t wait until she was seated, but I’ve learnt from that and in the future a woman will drink what I serve her.
Davo, when a woman is visiting your country, and moreover if you pay all expenses, or a large part of the expenses, YOU are in control. WHO is supposed to know what to visit in HIS country?Tell me?
Therefore your job is to write a shedule and to act acordingly.


I have planned a conjoint trip few time ago.How i did it?
First she proposed, to please me, because i talked about Lviv; this city.
I quickly understood that this city was not the best choice to meet considering the little time she had, only 6 days. It was better to spend more time together than in transport.

THerefore i aimed for a city where each of us could take one flight and land directly in this city.
She let me know that she had gone three time in this city. She just informed me, nothing more, no pressure.
She wrote to me "Choose for the best, choose for us i trust you." At this time you can do whatever you want, you have the power, she just has a slight preference for the second city she has never been and that normal
Now what i did, i looked carefully all flight schedules for the second city and came to the summary that finally i was spending the same time to travel, i had now to take two planes but not a big deal, and pay less in parking and for the road driven because the airport is one hour of car back and foth rather than to go to an other one airport that needs 4 hours of car back and forth.
I didn't tell her YES to please her,I first look carefully if it was stretching out my travel time or not (her was shortened a little). And because it doesn't i focused on this second city.
I also choose both flights to arrive and take off barely at the same time. When she decided to buy her ticket she misleaded the schedule i had given to her. I told her : look i choose flights so we can hug each other after less than 40 minutes of waiting time in the airport,  and at the end we will leave the appartment together, is this not romantical? Wow you score some other points
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 02, 2019, 05:08:19 AM
Trench, you have missed a large part of what i have written.This not about update your profile and meeting FSUW, which will happen only one or two times per year (i am wrong?), NO it's about to meet women around you, every day, and they are all over you.
Do it as a training, so the pressure will be low. I don't ask you to seal the deal, i ask you to approach them, spend good time with her, that will be a debut.

2/ make more money 
3/ Keep the gym

I know the point and relevance of what you are saying Pat but to me UK women are most often a turn off for me. Most are just so totally different to UW that there is no correlation between the two. UK women are masculine in personality so much so that it would almost be like going up and chatting up a guy. For me UK and Ukrainian women are two different species and chatting up a UK woman wouldn't translate the same as chatting up a Ukrainian women as they act so differently. Chatting up a UK women is likely to be more of a demoralising negative than anything. I would rather spend my time messaging or skyping with a UW.

Gym I have spent a couple of weeks of with a bad cold and tiredness after doing other DIY work that came up and desperately needed to be done, but I will get back to this week.

Money, well once I rent out some rooms in my house that I am converting that will increase. However, at some point I will probably give up my job as I feel Independant income will serve me better (from the room rents). That and the job may then be passing it's usefulness and it become better to look at other ways of bringing in more Independant income, ie once I have some Independant income to fall back on then that will enable me to be freed up to seek more Independant income. Usually working a paid job for an employer is a bind as although it can be fairly stable income it also binds you to being tied to being in the same country a lot.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 02, 2019, 08:45:40 AM
I know the point and relevance of what you are saying Pat but to me UK women are most often a turn off for me. Most are just so totally different to UW that there is no correlation between the two. UK women are masculine in personality so much so that it would almost be like going up and chatting up a guy. For me UK and Ukrainian women are two different species and chatting up a UK woman wouldn't translate the same as chatting up a Ukrainian women as they act so differently. Chatting up a UK women is likely to be more of a demoralising negative than anything. I would rather spend my time messaging or skyping with a UW.

Gym I have spent a couple of weeks of with a bad cold and tiredness after doing other DIY work that came up and desperately needed to be done, but I will get back to this week.

Money, well once I rent out some rooms in my house that I am converting that will increase. However, at some point I will probably give up my job as I feel Independant income will serve me better (from the room rents). That and the job may then be passing it's usefulness and it become better to look at other ways of bringing in more Independant income, ie once I have some Independant income to fall back on then that will enable me to be freed up to seek more Independant income. Usually working a paid job for an employer is a bind as although it can be fairly stable income it also binds you to being tied to being in the same country a lot.

 
Because i am not an english native speaker i perhaps misleaded what you say about chatting.Does chatting happens on internet ? Or is it a synonym of talking?   

Anyway, Trench, women are barely the same during the time you conqueer them (gaming time till the sexual commitment, sorry it's not really romantical but it gives some limits). 

 And chatting is a VERY FEW part of the deal Trench. 
And i already wrote before that western women don't think what they say and don't say what they think, therefore RASGAVOR, chatting with them has a lower importance.   

May i remind you that during a talk it is commonly admitted that the sense of what you say counts only for 6 % ? The rest is voice intonation, and more than half is BODY LANGUAGE. 
Of course as your body is not naked, the way you are dressed, groomed and how you are neat are of prime importance.   
 
So Trench the reality of what you are discussing with a woman has very few human or woman reality. I speak here about a meeting, when you FACE a woman. That's a real meeting there are no other meeting. 

To make a summarize FSU and western women are triggered barely by the same buttons during the comfort and attraction time Trench. Those values are quite universal.
 
 If you learn the language of love Trench, you will be able to also enter in the UK women space closing their intimacy. It's not far different, minus some cultural and travel constraints than FSU ones (I repeat myself here).








Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 02, 2019, 10:15:58 AM

 
Because i am not an english native speaker i perhaps misleaded what you say about chatting.Does chatting happens on internet ? Or is it a synonym of talking?   

Anyway, Trench, women are barely the same during the time you conqueer them (gaming time till the sexual commitment, sorry it's not really romantical but it gives some limits). 

 And chatting is a VERY FEW part of the deal Trench. 
And i already wrote before that western women don't think what they say and don't say what they think, therefore RASGAVOR, chatting with them has a lower importance.   

May i remind you that during a talk it is commonly admitted that the sense of what you say counts only for 6 % ? The rest is voice intonation, and more than half is BODY LANGUAGE. 
Of course as your body is not naked, the way you are dressed, groomed and how you are neat are of prime importance.   
 
So Trench the reality of what you are discussing with a woman has very few human or woman reality. I speak here about a meeting, when you FACE a woman. That's a real meeting there are no other meeting. 

To make a summarize FSU and western women are triggered barely by the same buttons during the comfort and attraction time Trench. Those values are quite universal.
 
 If you learn the language of love Trench, you will be able to also enter in the UK women space closing their intimacy. It's not far different, minus some cultural and travel constraints than FSU ones (I repeat myself here).

Ah sorry Pat I didn't realise you might have not understood the slant on the terminology. In the UK when we say we are 'chatting up' a girl we mean a certain type of chatting other than normal dialogue. Chatting up will involve probing, flirting possibly even romantic discussion and will have an emphasis or tone of heightened interest in the girl you are chatting up.

Sometimes it is not always clear if a guy is chatting up a girl or not and maybe open for debate between the girl and her girlfriends, friends or family. A girl of course can react badly to being chatted up or the guy may end up feeling humiliated or embarrassed by the girl or her girlfriends, etc. Sometimes it is so vague the line at which chatting becomes chatting up that it can be quieried by the recipient, whether a male or female, sometimes seriously and sometimes as a joke, i.e a guy coming across as unintentionally chatting up another guy, lol. At which point the guy might say, "are you chatting me up?" - you here it in the UK occasionally possibly Australia, US etc too.

Anyway, if you got familiar with UK women you would find they are a different kettle of fish from FSW. Some are very career minded to the point of obsession, others can be dismissive, inwardly aggressive and dodgy to get into a relationship with. In general though it is more about the feeling I get when near them, they give of a far more masculine vibe than Ukrainian ladies and tend to be less attractive also. Even the slimmer UK women on the whole are not an attractive bunch. The odd few that score high on the looks chart know it as they have loads of guys chasing them.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: GQBlues on December 02, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
So what does a FSW mean when she says she wants 'a smart guy who knows what he wants?'

Now I'm guessing that she doesn't mean that he's able to decide what meal he's going for when waiting in queue at McDonald's.

I hear FSW say this sort of thing a fair bit, also from some Western Women also. It could mean the same thing I'm guessing or it could be different. I have my ideas on what she likely means by this but I could be way of base for all I know. What are the thoughts of members here on this?

There are two types of prowling men on any social gathering.

Men who are in every corner of the room scanning the pretty girls and contemplating what to say and/or what she could be thinking. They'll do that all night long until it's time to go home alone.

Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating.

You don't 'plan' to react to what women do or say. You make women react to you. Who the heck cares what they mean with the phrase in this stage of your meeting? It bears no purpose,  meaning much less significance.

You either get out there and mix it up or forever sit in that proverbial corner until it's time to go home alone. You got to be tired being in the latter all the time, TC.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: krimster2 on December 02, 2019, 11:38:33 AM
Trench...

I always point out to guys here this little detail...
what you label an “external” problem, i.e. “the UK women are too masculine...”
is actually an “internal” problem...
which is your own insecurity around women
THIS is what you are actually experiencing....

ONLY ONE WAY to fix that...

it’s totally the reason why I want to go out and make the big bucks in Moscva...
you would not freakin believe the women I see there...
I mean WOW!!!
I keep introducing the MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN I have ever seen in my life to my wife at the parties we go to, and when I see her flirting with one, I disappear...
it’ll be just a matter of time before she hooks up with one...
I am the American cream in a Russian Oreo cookie baby!!!
AHAHAHA!!!!

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 02, 2019, 04:49:13 PM
Trench...

I always point out to guys here this little detail...
what you label an “external” problem, i.e. “the UK women are too masculine...”
is actually an “internal” problem...
which is your own insecurity around women
THIS is what you are actually experiencing...

This is a good article in what is happening to many men in the west Krim, written by a female no less, lol:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/erica-gordon/2014/08/bring-back-the-alpha-male-a-man-who-knows-what-he-wants-and-goes-for-it/

Explains what has been happening to me & Davo and many western men and what your daughters have been finding I think.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: msmob on December 02, 2019, 11:11:06 PM
More Trench BS ensues...

I know the point and relevance of what you are saying Pat but to me UK women are most often a turn off for me.

Translation : Most UK women are not interested in you..



 Most are just so totally different to UW that there is no correlation between the two. UK women are masculine in personality so much so that it would almost be like going up and chatting up a guy. For me UK and Ukrainian women are two different species and chatting up a UK woman wouldn't translate the same as chatting up a Ukrainian women as they act so differently. Chatting up a UK women is likely to be more of a demoralising negative than anything. I would rather spend my time messaging or skyping with a UW.

Messaging is a waste of time unless you can get on a plane and make it real...You are just wasting the lass' time..

How many guys get some sort of 'thrill' from chatting to women they will never meet? FAR too many and they are the 'standard' set to FSU women...((

'Masculine' UK ladies just see through you ...


This forum is just your 'escape' from your boring job))
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 03, 2019, 02:42:52 AM
There are two types of prowling men on any social gathering.


Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating.

You don't 'plan' to react to what women do or say. You make women react to you. Who the heck cares what they mean with the phrase in this stage of your meeting? It bears no purpose,  meaning much less significance.

You either get out there and mix it up or forever sit in that proverbial corner until it's time to go home alone. You got to be tired being in the latter all the time, TC.
+5 well written 

I was there before :   
 
"Men who are in every corner of the room scanning the pretty girls and contemplating what to say and/or what she could be thinking. They'll do that all night long until it's time to go home alone."
 
Try to move to this position:   
 
"Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating."

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 03, 2019, 02:51:14 AM
More Trench BS ensues...

Translation : Most UK women are not interested in you..


Messaging is a waste of time unless you can get on a plane and make it real...You are just wasting the lass' time..

How many guys get some sort of 'thrill' from chatting to women they will never meet? FAR too many and they are the 'standard' set to FSU women...((

'Masculine' UK ladies just see through you ...


This forum is just your 'escape' from your boring job))

I will tell you now my job unlike a lot of jobs in the UK is far from boring. My main problem I have with it is the fact like most jobs is that I cannot go long periods of leave without losing my currently only source of income.

I would also not message women where I cannot get on a plane to visit them. That is why I have not done so over the past few months. Shortly I will begin messaging women again as I now have the means back to go out there and visit them. I've visited them before so I have shown I'm no Keyboard Romeo.

It may be true many/most UK women may not be interested in me as the above article explains why. It's not just me but many men as Krimster's daughters will testify. The thing is that western society makes western men weak by putting women in competition with us. A weak guy cannot act strong from a position of weakness. His weakness is apparent to all and is common sense that you don't do this. To act from a position if weakness would be risky and foolish. For example a guy at work would not likely risk telling his bosses what to do if he needed to hold onto the job for financial reasons. However, as soon as he doesn't need the job for financial reasons/obligations then he can act as he pleases, he may not last long but any risk he takes by telling it like it is/the way he sees it no longer has a crippling financial penalty. If a guy suffers a crippling financial penalty ie losing his job by riskly upsetting his bosses by opening his trap then he is in an even weaker position and then has to go cap in hand looking for another job - he is even weaker and will likely learn from the experience and be or become more passive in future.

Incidentally, while UK women are not generally interested in me I have become not interested in them for the reasons I have explained already.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 03, 2019, 02:55:59 AM
+5 well written 

I was there before :   
 
"Men who are in every corner of the room scanning the pretty girls and contemplating what to say and/or what she could be thinking. They'll do that all night long until it's time to go home alone."
 
Try to move to this position:   
 
"Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating."

It could be worth a go and is certainly a new way of doing things. It could well be though that the guys this works for are towards the 8-10 masculine looking model looks guy range. The change in psychology might do it alone or it might just come down to looks. Kind of reminds me of the psychology video in a nightclub of singles Davo showed us. Is it just how they act or is it just down to looks from the get go.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 03, 2019, 03:37:21 AM
Anyway, back to the essence of this thread. From what I can see in the FSU while being passive is to be avoided being too aggressive & getting into conflict with a girl is also. For me in my discussions with FSW in the past it's really other skills/personalities you have to employ.

Instead of agreeing to what the woman says which by doing so she can lose respect for you I have found with a previous girl that winning an argument by logic can be a successful way out. FSW often use logic themselves to win an argument so for some women that are good at using logic themselves this may be a tough task.

In this case perhaps obstinacy can be the way to go. So even if a FSW wins an argument through logic then being obstinate and still doing what you want could come across to her as a sign of strength and work. In the west we have been told mostly be women that this is being pig headed and seems illogical if the argument is lost, but I reckon in the FSW it would likely work a treat :)

Probably there are other methods/personalities that could be employed to avoid the default passive caving in to a FSW. Any other ideas guys?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Faux Pas on December 03, 2019, 07:59:04 AM
It could be worth a go and is certainly a new way of doing things. It could well be though that the guys this works for are towards the 8-10 masculine looking model looks guy range. The change in psychology might do it alone or it might just come down to looks. Kind of reminds me of the psychology video in a nightclub of singles Davo showed us. Is it just how they act or is it just down to looks from the get go.

Trench I am going to tell you this with the best of intentions. I hope you listen and grasp it but I really have no idea that you will. You've been told the same thing a dozen other different ways and still don't "get it". It really doesn't matter how you look, short of looking like the Elephant man or Fathertime. There is a "mindset" of confidence that men who are successful with women have around women. That confidence is that they know they are going to have a fun, humorous, perhaps interesting conversation or small talk with any woman they chose. Those men are interesting. They make themselves interesting with the woman they engage. Great looks and a fat wallet will always get a degree of attention but neither is required to walk in and collect the most beautiful desired woman in the room. I am proof positive of that.

You're still hanging yourself up with immaturity and what's the best pick up lines for 8-9's in UA or England? What's the best PA techniques? You are missing the main point that many here have been slapping you upside the head with. You stated you have neither money or looks. You need to keep visiting the gym for your health and to get that extra bacon off your belly. But even it isn't going to improve your chances until you get your mind right. Your brain is the most useful organ you have and you keep completely ignoring it.

Women are not objects to be graded. Especially by you. It doesn't matter if they are FSUW or from merry ole England. They are people and most of them have a need to be treated like people as opposed to your 8-9. It doesn't matter if they are 9-10's or 2-3's when you get to a point that you can treat them alike you'll be much more successful with the ladies
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: GQBlues on December 03, 2019, 09:28:20 AM
Trench I am going to tell you this with the best of intentions. I hope you listen and grasp it but I really have no idea that you will. You've been told the same thing a dozen other different ways and still don't "get it". It really doesn't matter how you look, short of looking like the Elephant man or Fathertime. There is a "mindset" of confidence that men who are successful with women have around women. That confidence is that they know they are going to have a fun, humorous, perhaps interesting conversation or small talk with any woman they chose. Those men are interesting. They make themselves interesting with the woman they engage. Great looks and a fat wallet will always get a degree of attention but neither is required to walk in and collect the most beautiful desired woman in the room. I am proof positive of that.

Spot on, Bruddah! If you lined up successful guys, young and old, what you'll have is a line-up of men who are athletic, talented, rich, witty, smart, funny. Handsome and ugly matters, sure - but that is never the decider. There will never be one type that monopolizes the feline grab. There is however ONE common denominator in all of the above types - CONFIDENCE.

The first thing one notices with these men is - none of them give a hoot about lines, how-tos and all that jazz. They make the rule, not the other way around.

A confident guy will have the 'walk', the presence of mind and senses because he didn't cluttered up his mind with scripted lines and plans and *what-to-do-next*, *what-could-she-be-thinking*. Everything is fluid. He leads , she follows. She's unbalanced, she's mystified, she's hook. This sh!t is easy. Ever wonder why when you have a woman in your arms, especially a pretty one, women seem to notice you? That's because you're exuding that confidence, that 'presence'.

I know this can seem so difficult to do for many-a-men, and I will agree it'll take 'practice' unless you're born with a gift mentioned above. But unless you start and change your silly attitudes, you won't break through the insecurity barrier that you imposes in yourselves and that's kept you from reaping the sweet and endless social rewards out there within your reach..

I've told TC before one good way to start is get in a sport team, or any group activity just to get in the mold of interacting with another person. This eventually leads to being at ease in 'socializing' with anyone and in any environment. Sparks a conversation about anything with anyone. Get comfortable breaking the ice with anyone anywhere. Sooner than you'd expect, people will gravitate towards you, and more specifically, women.

But, trench would likely just dispense with this and that's cool, too. It's always his call to begin with.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 03, 2019, 10:13:59 AM
I myself, start to be desesperated to find some hints useful for Trench.
Like GQ, FP, and many others we are repeating and repeating things around the same topic, using different approaches. 
 
But he seems to get it two minutes, and come back to the same conceptual things, casted in the stone.Repeating the same pattern, again and again.   
 
The loop is exactly his comfort zone. And his comfort zone is to stay in the loop. It's not that we dislike Trench, we have some affection for him.   
   
Trench what are the type of things you have done in your life that are quite not ordinary? (parachute, writing a book, making a spectacle alone for 10 minutes in front of 80 people, jumping in the care doing 600 miles just to meet a girl, driving a bike at 160 miles per hour, running in a forest alone at night from any habitants etc etc ...)
 
Trench may you describe us what is special in your life, what are your interested in, how many times you speak to complete strangers?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 03, 2019, 10:34:10 AM
I don't see what I am asking as the same thing. Some forum members on here have the same or similar response as they no doubt see it as the same problem.

I thinks it's fair to say my understanding of FSW and the dating scene out there has improved over time, some may dispute this of course. I think many guys struggle like I did at first to comprehend the scene out there.

I think the dating scene out there is actually far more simpler to date and get on in relationships than in the west. In the west things have gotten very complicated indeed for many. From what I see once a guy can grasp a few simple points on how to date FSW that is all that is needed. Sure some women will differ a little out there as they do anywhere but the essence of it will remain much the same. I think this has evolved naturally over time out there. Here as well until we started complicating it all. You keep Nd of hear it all the time these women in the west dissecting stuff, having issues with this or that, strange dating patterns, guys asking out multiple women but being attached to none, etc, etc.

I don't think it's even a case of being Alpha make like we consider it in the western sense, it's more just functioning and acting a certain way with a few simple matters of behaviour.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 03, 2019, 11:26:50 AM
I'll give the bief  outline of a conversaationj I had with a female work colleauge not so long ago. She was obsessed with getting a career in HR, she had previously held a job in it but was laid off that role and has been exisiting in Admin ever since until she can land her dream role in HR in the directionof around £35k or so per year. She already has a BF but I don't get the impression much is happening there, and she has possibly even less of a life than I do. She is work obssessed anf all she does mostly is work and prattle on about gettting into an HR job. She has already told me to 'not too worry she'll get one' I wasn't, I see go getting to get jobs that bring in the dough as generally a man's domain. It's generally up to the man to worry about work and the next career move. I can't see how a guy could exist in such a role reversal situation, its odd to me even as a 'liberated' western guy. I'm not sure where a guy wouldfit into such as situation properly maybe he would have to go off and bake some muffins or something.

Anyway that is my impression off western women, they differ of course but rarely in a good way.

I'm much more content with FSW, they at least seem to be somewhere near the ball park, it just means working out how it all plays and I'm feeling more confident on that now.

I'm currently redoing my profile so hopefully with a bit of luck :)
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: BillyB on December 03, 2019, 12:15:49 PM
I'm currently redoing my profile so hopefully with a bit of luck :)


You can own the best profile in the world but what will that do for you? It will get the women's attention and your foot in the door with them. That is all. What will you write that will keep their attention? After that, what will you say in a meeting that will keep their attention? An awesome profile isn't going to keep them interested in you for more than a few minutes.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Faux Pas on December 03, 2019, 01:01:59 PM
Ah no.

I don't see what I am asking as the same thing. Some forum members on here have the same or similar response as they no doubt see it as the same problem.

Same song different verse. There are dozens of answers she could be thinking but you'll never know until you're able to drill down and ask her. But WTF does it matter? Why would one word or phrase require such thought or deeper meaning. At the end of the day it doesn't mean didly.

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I thinks it's fair to say my understanding of FSW and the dating scene out there has improved over time, some may dispute this of course. I think many guys struggle like I did at first to comprehend the scene out there. I think the dating scene out there is actually far more simpler to date and get on in relationships than in the west. In the west things have gotten very complicated indeed for many.

Based on the questions you continue to ask, your understanding while it may have improved to a small degree (albeit a very small one) has miles to go. The "scene" out there is the same scene as "in here". It's the same scene. Women in the East seek the same thing as their counterparts in the West. The selection of interested ladies in you appears much larger to you because, you don't know the scene out there or in here.

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From what I see once a guy can grasp a few simple points on how to date FSW that is all that is needed. Sure some women will differ a little out there as they do anywhere but the essence of it will remain much the same. I think this has evolved naturally over time out there. Here as well until we started complicating it all. You keep Nd of hear it all the time these women in the west dissecting stuff, having issues with this or that, strange dating patterns, guys asking out multiple women but being attached to none, etc, etc.

Wrong. There is no pick up line or switch that is going to make you magically more desirable to women. There is not a few simple points to solve all of the problems you apparently have experienced your whole life. Men and women are wired differently. Women are the same the world over. Yes you can upgrade in both beauty and education in the East from what you feel is available to you in the West. That doesn't mean it isn't available to you in the West. Your conditioning or life long affliction has you looking through a long narrow tunnel.

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I don't think it's even a case of being Alpha make like we consider it in the western sense, it's more just functioning and acting a certain way with a few simple matters of behaviour.

It's not alpha or beta. It's confidence. You lack confidence in yourself. Be comfortable enough in your own skin to walk up to any woman anywhere and have a conversation or just say hello. You lack it in women in the West and you will lack it with their sisters in the East. That's why we are having this conversation now. The MOB scene is rife with women waiting on you for either a relationship or to eat you alive. If you don't quit with this bullshit endless circle you keep going back to, it's going to be the latter. You objectify women based on your sexual preference. The ones that appeal to you are 9s-10s and the ones that don't a much lesser number. You've got to work on yourself. I'm not speaking of the gym but that's good too. Work on your head brother
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Jamesukjames on December 03, 2019, 01:58:48 PM
The answer to Billy's Mac Donald's question is to say we're not eating this s... were going to somewhere that does steak and a good bottle of wine with nice view of the river, city or sea.  If she says no she wants the burger go have the steak on your own.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: BillyB on December 03, 2019, 02:50:00 PM
The answer to Billy's Mac Donald's question is to say we're not eating this s... were going to somewhere that does steak and a good bottle of wine with nice view of the river, city or sea.

That's the correct answer.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Patagonie on December 03, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
The main change is not what you understand of women.
 
The main change is more relatied to the verb : TO BE
 
You need to change how you behave, and how you are
It's quite more work than to learn and apply 3 or 4 tricks
Come back to the post of Krimster2 who started to stop to believe that others were the problem, 
because the day you accept this,
 you ENPOWER yourself and find out that you have enough ressources in you to BE, to act differently, to become the man you have always wanted to be. 
 
For the moment you didn't step in a personal revolution.
 You continuously try to find some intellectual excuses to avoid any discomfort. 
 
It's why i have asked you what have done special, risky, unusual in your life. But you didn't provide any answer. It could say a lot.

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 03, 2019, 07:11:15 PM
You can own the best profile in the world but what will that do for you? It will get the women's attention and your foot in the door with them. That is all. What will you write that will keep their attention? After that, what will you say in a meeting that will keep their attention? An awesome profile isn't going to keep them interested in you for more than a few minutes.

I wouldn't underestimate getting your foot in the door. At least it opens up plenty of opportunities if you have a good profile. That generally seems to come down to how attractive the guy looks. If you're a 7 or above you'll probably get a fair few messages from women. If your a 5 ish like myself then it can be a struggle to get the odd good message/interest from women.

A guy with plenty of messages has more choice, he is less likely to get a girl who wants to take him for a ride as she will think him worthy. The greater choice if women will also land him more women to visit in a quicker time frame. He's odds of success go way up as he can get through many more women and can afford to pass over the trash. A good looking guy will walk it.

Unfortunately I am not that good looking guy and so things are a bit more of a struggle for me. On my profile relaunch I got 4 messages sent to me out off about 34 women that looked at my profile. That's them looking and sending to me without me looking or messaging them first. To me that is not a great result, one Ukrainian last who was 43 so older than I want and not attractive looking. A woman from Tanzania who was 26 attractive looking enough but light brown skin so not from a race I tend to go for, some girl from Madagascar who again not the sort of racial look I go for and some other Russian lady who only had one pic and in her thirties I believe. All short two or three word messages.

That is on Fdate. I have messaged women in there before but it can be tricky finding one who will catch on, after a few weeks it can sometimes happen. If I was a 7-10 looks guy no doubt it would all get a lot easier. It's not the whole story no but it's a good part of it, vital even.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: BillyB on December 03, 2019, 08:04:24 PM
If your a 5 ish like myself then it can be a struggle to get the odd good message/interest from women.


Can you improve in the looks department? If your hair is long, get it cut. If your teeth are yellow, brush it more often. If you're overweight, eat less and exercise. You don't have to be a 10 to catch a 10. I've seen guys who were overweight, short, or ugly walking down the street with a smokinhotkova. Maybe he's a 10 in the wallet or maybe he's a 10 in personality or character. Maybe he's a 10 in the brain. You can't change much about how you look but you can improve the brain. You need to figure it out.

If you were a great looking guy, women would be more forgiving if you were lacking in the brain department. Because you are a 5 in looks, you don't have room for error. If you say something dumb, women will stop communicating with you. If you don't make adjustments, you will have to get used to rejection.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 04, 2019, 01:37:21 AM
Can you improve in the looks department? If your hair is long, get it cut. If your teeth are yellow, brush it more often. If you're overweight, eat less and exercise. You don't have to be a 10 to catch a 10. I've seen guys who were overweight, short, or ugly walking down the street with a smokinhotkova. Maybe he's a 10 in the wallet or maybe he's a 10 in personality or character. Maybe he's a 10 in the brain. You can't change much about how you look but you can improve the brain. You need to figure it out.

If you were a great looking guy, women would be more forgiving if you were lacking in the brain department. Because you are a 5 in looks, you don't have room for error. If you say something dumb, women will stop communicating with you. If you don't make adjustments, you will have to get used to rejection.

Thanks Billy, well my hair is not long it's short, my teeth aren't too bad but could do with a little improvement - To be honest I don't really have a mouth where they show much. I'm not overweight never really have been but I'm not particularly muscular. I don't think any of those is really the issue though on one of my latest photos on photofeeler I was well down in the 4 category. I was wearing a blue & white striped shirt poseing in front of a nice classical building. Just the top of me can be seen so voters would not really know if I was muscular or not. I thought it was a nice enough photo but clearly it was not. I just did about 10 votes to get an idea of the way the wind was blowing with it. I just can't seem to take a photo where I can get above a 6, most are 5 something, a few bad ones worse than that.

I think you're right though Billy, I need to improve on the looks front. Otherwise it will not just be a case of difficulty getting the women up and off course staying with me but a case of it being a liability for me.

I think my problem could be that my face may look a little feminine looking for a guy, fine if I were a girl, lol. I would of course need to be careful of cosmetic procedures that I don't come out looking like a freak but to be honest I'm not exactly winning on the looks front anyway. I know some small scale cosmetic procedures can be done these days with stuff like fillers, etc so I may look more towards that, so non surgical knives stuff as rarely do I find that stuff looks good. Most of the filler stuff is temporary so if it's not great I'm not stuck with it forever. I may look at getting my jawline more prominent for a more masculine look.

On the rest I'm not a 10 in money nor personality. I know personality is not going to be something I can change that much I pretty much am how Ian at this stage. I can probably move to doing more on the leisure/entertainment side in life to make stuff more interesting for a girl but that is about all. On money I am improving but think it will likely be a long time before I'm a 10 if ever. In the FSU I if course look quite well off. That said it can potentially be a liability with the wring woman also. Thing is I'm not necessarily looking for a real hottie as I know they can be difficult but at the moment I'm struggling to get the girls up with online dating where I really shouldn't be.

Well with brains it's handy that you said don't say anything dumb as I guess some of my probing questions I asked women in the past might come across as dumb. When it's an area that is new to me I can ask questions that seem a bit dumb on reflection probably but that just me trying to get my head around it all. I will certainly guard against coming across line that in the future to any women :) I didn't of course do this with all women. I've got quite a lot of qualifications, a couple of degrees etc so I no doubt have the intellectual side covered but while I'm generally street wise enough I'm not the most skilled guy socially. I'm learning new stuff of recent that is more practical so that may help there. I guess it really all depends on what is meant by brains. I guess overall I would score decently enough though probably not a 10, not at this stage at least as I've had no act of pure genius to date, lol.

So yes I think at this stage in order to avoid a lot of further rejection the best and easiest thing to improve would be on looks as that's where my biggest fall down is. From a 4-5 ish sort of looks guy it should be a reasonable base to work from so I shouldn't need a lot need doing hopefully. We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: BillyB on December 04, 2019, 09:29:03 AM
I guess some of my probing questions I asked women in the past might come across as dumb.


A lot of the questions you ask here, you shouldn't be asking women. Women want a man they can learn from who know the answers. Your brain needs to be bigger than theirs. You can ask women about her city and life and if it's a good time of season to visit to give them a hint. You can talk to women about your life but if you like to complain a lot, about your boss, about your job, about your family, or about internet bully Moby giving you a beat down etc... you're turning the women off.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: GQBlues on December 04, 2019, 09:40:16 AM
So yes I think at this stage in order to avoid a lot of further rejection the best and easiest thing to improve would be on looks as that's where my biggest fall down is. From a 4-5 ish sort of looks guy it should be a reasonable base to work from so I shouldn't need a lot need doing hopefully. We'll see how it goes.

Damned, you're a '5'?!?, you lucky bastard!!

I'm like you TC, only I guess a tad worst. I've said many times before I'm the ugliest mofo ever to step off the FSU tarmac. If profiles were just all about 'pictures', I'd be lucky if a gal accidentally clicked on my profile, much less give me an expression of interest or be intrigued to meet me in person...

But there I was...exactly the way it had always been in my entire social life. I've never let 'my looks' ever get in the way of my uncanny abilities and abundance of skills! :devil:

We all create our own life's barriers. That's the bottom line.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: jone on December 04, 2019, 09:45:48 AM
Damned, you're a '5'?!?, you lucky bastard!!

I'm like you TC, only I guess a tad worst. I've said many times before I'm the ugliest mofo ever to step off the FSU tarmac. If profiles were just all about 'pictures', I'd be lucky if a gal accidentally clicked on my profile, much less give me an expression of interest or be intrigued to meet me in person...

But there I was...exactly the way it had always been in my entire social life. I've never let 'my looks' ever get in the way of my uncanny abilities and abundance of skills! :devil:

We all create our own life's barriers. That's the bottom line.

Well said, GQ!

I've always thought I was around a '4'.   Never stopped me from having a good time and loving life.  And I think women are attracted to men who are happy in themselves.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 04, 2019, 12:26:31 PM
Damned, you're a '5'?!?, you lucky bastard!!

I'm like you TC, only I guess a tad worst. I've said many times before I'm the ugliest mofo ever to step off the FSU tarmac. If profiles were just all about 'pictures', I'd be lucky if a gal accidentally clicked on my profile, much less give me an expression of interest or be intrigued to meet me in person...

But there I was...exactly the way it had always been in my entire social life. I've never let 'my looks' ever get in the way of my uncanny abilities and abundance of skills! :devil:

We all create our own life's barriers. That's the bottom line.

It kind of varied a little with the photo's, most were 5.something and few 4.something and even the odd one or two that just dipped under the 4 , one wasn't a great photo, the other I thought was good but turned out not so apparently.

I think it's fair to say that overall there no doubt is a cumulative factor of how people score like how BillyB describes above. So a guy that is very witty in the right way or just good socially in a big difference way, extrovert etc has those sorts of abilities to offset looks stuff.

How did you meet your FSW GQ, was it through an online dating site with profile photos?
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 04, 2019, 01:47:57 PM
A lot of the questions you ask here, you shouldn't be asking women. Women want a man they can learn from who know the answers. Your brain needs to be bigger than theirs. You can ask women about her city and life and if it's a good time of season to visit to give them a hint. You can talk to women about your life but if you like to complain a lot, about your boss, about your job, about your family, or about internet bully Moby giving you a beat down etc... you're turning the women off.

The questions I ask here I certainly don't ask a FSW, don't worry I know not to go there, lol. I also avoid airing complaints, negatives, etc and like to stick to the positives. I would say that while I am not real socially skilled I am generally socially aware of what not to say and do and how to avoid social faux pas, what they are or what might be seen as one. I'm just not one of those guys that can instantly turn on the charm and/or slick tongue, motor away and within a short space of time have a real string rapport with a girl that other guys struggle to match.

I know it's very unlikely to ever be my sort of area of expertise. I think I would be better of trying to improve other areas that I stand more chance of improving.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: GQBlues on December 04, 2019, 03:11:58 PM
...So a guy that is very witty in the right way or just good socially in a big difference way, extrovert etc has those sorts of abilities to offset looks stuff.

We all have 'it'! YOU, included. Your single biggest obstacle is yourself...

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How did you meet your FSW GQ, was it through an online dating site with profile photos?

Elena's Models. I never posted any profile on their site though. I tried to get ahead of the curve and competition and created a small 'webpage' to showcase more of myself instead of my 'picture'.. I explained it here on the site not too long ago. Too lazy to look for it.

If only I can tell what happened before, during and after my search tenure, maybe you'd change your attitude about yourself and the world at large. Reinforcing the point that women are women everywhere. Once you allow yourself the chance and opportunity to be in the 'mix', trust me, it's a world that will most definitely change how you perceive everything. Especially the social aspects of it. Release yourself, man. Concentrate on your highest attribute/s and watch that attitude permeate to everything else in your life.

Forget what you think you're lacking. You just end up projecting that 'failure' to other people and convince yourself the fault lies in them and not you.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 04, 2019, 04:24:44 PM
We all have 'it'! YOU, included. Your single biggest obstacle is yourself...

Elena's Models. I never posted any profile on their site though. I tried to get ahead of the curve and competition and created a small 'webpage' to showcase more of myself instead of my 'picture'.. I explained it here on the site not too long ago. Too lazy to look for it.

If only I can tell what happened before, during and after my search tenure, maybe you'd change your attitude about yourself and the world at large. Reinforcing the point that women are women everywhere. Once you allow yourself the chance and opportunity to be in the 'mix', trust me, it's a world that will most definitely change how you perceive everything. Especially the social aspects of it. Release yourself, man. Concentrate on your highest attribute/s and watch that attitude permeate to everything else in your life.

Forget what you think you're lacking. You just end up projecting that 'failure' to other people and convince yourself the fault lies in them and not you.

Ah I remember now, you set up a webpage with a counter, hidden I think and created an almost celebrity type of vibe and these women turned in each week or whenever to see what the next development in your life had been, kind of like a TV soap I guess.

I recall you said at the time it was quite nice as it was before Facebook, etc and before when loads of people had their own website. So whether it would work now might be uncertain as stuff has moved on. I forget how you used Elena's Models in all of this though. Did you just email them without putting up a profile pic but instead the link to your website?

I'm looking at doing photo's I the places where I spend my time and the stuff I do on my profile. I probably don't have the time to put something showing my life blow by blow together at the moment as still converting my house. Possibly doing photo's of the stuff I do weekly more might help I guess.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: 2tallbill on December 04, 2019, 05:48:55 PM
The questions I ask

I know it's very unlikely to ever be my sort of area of expertise. I think I would be better of trying to improve other areas that I stand more chance of improving.

Trench,

Faux Paus gave you some solid gold advice. Go back and read it and
if you don't understand it 100% then ask him questions about it. He
doesn't spend a lot of time here so don't miss out on solid gold stuff.

Most of all don't ignore it. That's what you tend to do when somebody
gives you the good stuff. If it sounds difficult ask him to break part of
it down for you. DON'T IGNORE THE GOOD ADVICE, ask questions
about it.

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 04, 2019, 07:27:54 PM
You objectify women based on your sexual preference. The ones that appeal to you are 9s-10s and the ones that don't a much lesser number. You've got to work on yourself. I'm not speaking of the gym but that's good too. Work on your head brother

That's not really quite accurate, I've already said I am happy going for a 5-7 ish girl, even a 4 ish. The main thing I look at when viewing their profile photos is that I ask myself, 'Do they look pleasing to me?' not necessarily a 8-10 but does their look sit well with me as I couldn't feel right going for a girl who's look didn't look pleasing to me it would seem counter-intuitive. If I am messaging with a girl that I find unattractive then I don't see that as a good base to work from. They don't have to be a real stunner at all, a everyday normal looking girl that is at least somewhat pleasing to my eye us fine by me. I have to consider as 2tallbill says, 'can I see myself waking up in bed with her as a future Mrs Trenchcoat'. A good point there as some women even if attractive I don't think I could see it with them.

Thing is I can't confine myself to girls that are 5-7 ish as after I pick our the ones using the above then there aren't that many of the them. After that it depends which ones message me back for the longer term. Many of course won't so that cuts down the women further.

I know I could go for a girl that is a 1-3 who is ugly or fat and that is perfectly obtainable without me having to change anything about me. I have to be real about how I would honestly feel about going for girls that I find unattractive. End of the day I can't see it working or me being happy in life. I would rather look to improve myself and get someone that I feel has a look I like.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Faux Pas on December 05, 2019, 10:38:20 AM
Trench, you come off as highly superficial and your big brain is in your penis. If you wish to find the woman for you open your mind to the possibility that she could be either a 1 or a 10 or anything in between. You've stated many times you are willing to settle for a 5-6. Why would you settle for anything less than the right woman? The right woman will be a 10 to you no matter what she maybe in someone else's eyes. You need to fix your flaws or yourself for you, not for a woman you don't even know yet. You've got a long way to go dude. I will give you kudos for cracking open the door to take a look. If you insist on going down this path you need to kick open that door and embrace it fully
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: jone on December 05, 2019, 10:56:06 AM
Another stellar post from FP.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 05, 2019, 11:25:29 AM
Trench, you come off as highly superficial and your big brain is in your penis. If you wish to find the woman for you open your mind to the possibility that she could be either a 1 or a 10 or anything in between. You've stated many times you are willing to settle for a 5-6. Why would you settle for anything less than the right woman? The right woman will be a 10 to you no matter what she maybe in someone else's eyes. You need to fix your flaws or yourself for you, not for a woman you don't even know yet. You've got a long way to go dude. I will give you kudos for cracking open the door to take a look. If you insist on going down this path you need to kick open that door and embrace it fully

What I'm saying is in the initial outset all I have is their photo. Many females don't even write anything on their profiles. So I'm saying that based on the photos I can't in good conscience go for a girl that I don't feel some sort of attraction to at least from the look of them in their photo, I would not feel genuine doing that.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2019, 03:04:49 PM
What I'm saying is in the initial outset all I have is their photo. Many females don't even write anything on their profiles. So I'm saying that based on the photos I can't in good conscience go for a girl that I don't feel some sort of attraction to at least from the look of them in their photo, I would not feel genuine doing that.

Trench,

One week before you fly to Dnepropetrovsk or Minsk for a three
day weekend you write 100 letters to women aged 35-38 that
have pretty photos that don't smoke.

Tell them you would like to meet next week for coffee. Something
like:

I saw your beautiful photo and I had to write you immediately.
I will be in ______ next week and would like to meet you for tea.
You have to write me back and say yes or we won't fall in love
and live happily ever after!
Pishi!
Trenchy-buns

NOTE: You have to pay for their coffee/tea and cake or pastry
or pie. do NOT ask them to pay or split it with you! don't
suggest that they buy something cheap on the menu. Don't
make any dates for dinner at restaurants. First meetings are
tea/coffee and pastry/cake. There are no second meetings
unless you think that she might be the one. 
 
Many of the girls won't reply. Ignore those, some will reply so you
set up a time to meet them. If you feel there is chemistry with the
girl make another date immediately before she leaves.

If you don't feel mutual chemistry with the girl then forget her
forever no matter how hot she is.

Rinse and repeat until you find a girl who likes Trenchy-buns.
There will be a lot of rinsing and repeating. There will be lots
of tea and very little second dates. You don't want second dates
unless you think you've met the future Mrs Trenchy-buns.

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 05, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
Trench,

One week before you fly to Dnepropetrovsk or Minsk for a three
day weekend you write 100 letters to women aged 35-38 that
have pretty photos that don't smoke.

Tell them you would like to meet next week for coffee. Something
like:

I saw your beautiful photo and I had to write you immediately.
I will be in ______ next week and would like to meet you for tea.
You have to write me back and say yes or we won't fall in love
and live happily ever after!
Pishi!
Trenchy-buns

NOTE: You have to pay for their coffee/tea and cake or pastry
or pie. do NOT ask them to pay or split it with you! don't
suggest that they buy something cheap on the menu. Don't
make any dates for dinner at restaurants. First meetings are
tea/coffee and pastry/cake. There are no second meetings
unless you think that she might be the one. 
 
Many of the girls won't reply. Ignore those, some will reply so you
set up a time to meet them. If you feel there is chemistry with the
girl make another date immediately before she leaves.

If you don't feel mutual chemistry with the girl then forget her
forever no matter how hot she is.

Rinse and repeat until you find a girl who likes Trenchy-buns.
There will be a lot of rinsing and repeating. There will be lots
of tea and very little second dates. You don't want second dates
unless you think you've met the future Mrs Trenchy-buns.

Bill I really like this advice you have given, I really do :D It's simple and straightforward and avoid all the lengthy messaging stuff, I will give this a go, it might actually work :)

Think I'll adjust the age range down to 30-35 though ;D
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
Bill I really like this advice you have given, I really do :D It's simple and straightforward and avoid all the lengthy messaging stuff, I will give this a go, it might actually work :)

Think I'll adjust the age range down to 30-35 though ;D

I think you are wasting your time with 30-33 year olds.
The sweet spot is 35 and older.

Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 05, 2019, 04:15:21 PM
I think you are wasting your time with 30-33 year olds.
The sweet spot is 35 and older.

Probably, but the 35 and older girls tend to find it harder to have children which I would like. I guess I could do 30-35 first then look at the older lady category.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
Probably, but the 35 and older girls tend to find it harder to have children which I would like. I guess I could do 30-35 first then look at the older lady category.

You don't make enough money to even think about kids.
You need to double your income first, then think about it.
Title: Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
Post by: Charlie_M on April 21, 2020, 10:35:26 PM
Be a Sigma male.