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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2018, 12:19:39 AM »
I don't even know if I understand half of what you said... wife? Nobody said anything about going for a spouse visa. Not once.

What the hell does Cyprus have to do with anything?

He is suggesting my previous idea with my last girl that you meet on Cyprus, which tend to be easier to get into and is English, Russian & Greek speaking. Get a job there and stay together, if you get on then get married. She will then be eligible for a UK spouse visa and you can both come to the UK. UK spouse visa's though a lot of paperwork and a few hurdles to get over such as an English test are at least feasible to get.

As you are not a UK citizen you should do this, this year to get in before Brexit next year. It may still work after Brexit but it all depends on agreement reached with the EU as regards to EU citizens.

The weather is warmer in Cyprus than the UK and the road layout & customs similar so it may be worth a thought.

I'm still curious as to the relentless attitude of getting her here in the UK?
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« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2018, 12:31:47 AM »
I don't even know if I understand half of what you said... wife? Nobody said anything about going for a spouse visa. Not once.

What the hell does Cyprus have to do with anything?

Sighs,

Davo got it..

and you don't NEED a 'spousal visa' - if you use the EU route..

Please - I understand English is not your first lang, but READ the links I gave you and  LISTEN..

You are NOT going to get her to the UK - until you demonstrate a meaningful relationship..  ( support, bank account, regular income) END OF..

(unless you marry)

Cyprus is an EU nation where a Brit or EU-Citizen and Russian can meet easily - Visa easy for a Russian and getting married, there, is easy, too - after which you can come to the UK on a FAMILY Permit Visa.. ) as already mentioned ...

The 'train-crash' reference - which I note you didn't ask about - is the likelihood that a couple that haven't spent time together's marriage will be a roller coaster and end badly




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« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2018, 01:32:20 AM »
Just let GM Rod do what he wants.  If he can get her a student or visitor visa to the UK great.  He doesnt' want to go to Russia.

If it doesn't work I'm sure he'll find other ways.

It's the UK government and visa consulate that he needs to go ask info for, not random guys on a forum.


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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2018, 02:17:34 AM »
Sighs,

Davo got it..

and you don't NEED a 'spousal visa' - if you use the EU route..

Please - I understand English is not your first lang, but READ the links I gave you and  LISTEN..

You are NOT going to get her to the UK - until you demonstrate a meaningful relationship..  ( support, bank account, regular income) END OF..

(unless you marry)

Cyprus is an EU nation where a Brit or EU-Citizen and Russian can meet easily - Visa easy for a Russian and getting married, there, is easy, too - after which you can come to the UK on a FAMILY Permit Visa.. ) as already mentioned ...

The 'train-crash' reference - which I note you didn't ask about - is the likelihood that a couple that haven't spent time together's marriage will be a roller coaster and end badly

Yes I knew what you meant by roller coaster ride & train crash because if he married her now to get the EU route it will likely end up that way be a use they have spent little prior time together.

That is why I said what I said about Cyprus as you have just dobe as it's a place where they can spend time together before marriage. I think Rod has already stated that he doesn't want marriage straight of so Cyprus is a good option for him.
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2018, 02:23:14 AM »
Just let GM Rod do what he wants.  If he can get her a student or visitor visa to the UK great.  He doesnt' want to go to Russia.

If it doesn't work I'm sure he'll find other ways.

It's the UK government and visa consulate that he needs to go ask info for, not random guys on a forum.

No Rof needs us random forum guys :D

UK already give you info that they require and about the process online. You can phone up the consulate but they will be able to tell you little more. A bit like Davo who is A us phone up his and got told it would be ok then got knocked back. They are not going to give you any loophole over the phone of how to get in nor the way that will give you the best chance. They will likely just tell you to fill out form stating situation as is. As been gone into here that will not favour Rod one bit.
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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2018, 02:47:45 AM »
For once I'll agree with Trench.... They are absolutely f@%#ing useless. You will never talk to anyone higher than a general telephone operator, who basically said everything was great and it shouldn't be a problem. The problem is she's was an Aussie woman 15000km away from where the visa was being processed by a Russian woman.

The rejection letter was that vague that I had to talk to a specialist to make sense of it and there is no way to appeal their decision  either. This  means that they can reject it on any grounds, even if the decision contradicts all the supportive evidence to the contrary.

It cost me $1000 to learn this lesson, almost the same as the cheapest flight to Russia I found last year.

Forget the government visa department, or an immigration lawyer, contact a visa specialist who lodges them for a living. They will talk to you for free over the phone and will most probably  tell you the same as members here are.
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« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2018, 03:26:45 AM »
Just let GM Rod do what he wants.  If he can get her a student or visitor visa to the UK great.  He doesnt' want to go to Russia.

If it doesn't work I'm sure he'll find other ways.

It's the UK government and visa consulate that he needs to go ask info for, not random guys on a forum.

Sting23

Whilst it is agreed that the horse can only be led to the water - not made to drink, the OP is getting perfect advice from me and for free. 'Random' in this particular field - I am not - having 'won' legal cases versus IRL. CY and UK on this very subject - with their legal team looking daft - in all three cases... OK?
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« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2018, 07:21:43 AM »
Ok so let's address all of the options and all of the claims:

First, English is not my first language, but I speak, read and understand it a lot better than most natives both in the UK and the US, let's get that out of the way. If not for my accent, nobody would be able to tell I wasn't born in an English speaking country (and maybe how I look, because I definitely don't look like I'm from the US or the UK even with the green eyes).

Second, the Cyprus thing is ludicrous. The whole plan around it is to LIVE THERE? Get married there? To then have a shot at coming back here with her? Listen, I have a family of 100 people and about 80 of those live in Brazil. If I ever get married, there's high chance the wedding will happen in Brazil, or maybe two weddings, one in each country, since you can't logistically get that many people to travel to a different country to attend, unless you're a millionaire. Which I am not.

Third, let's talk, again, about the three options of getting her here.

Tourist - Apparently the hardest, but best, because it can allow her to stay up to 6 months at a time, and allows multiply entry until the visa expires. But I'm not going for this one because she can't prove financial condition to support herself here, and if I try to do it as a sponsor, I believe it will become suspicious that we have an agenda (which, honestly, we do).

Spouse - Obviously, can't do this yet because we are not there yet as a couple. We still need to spend time together and see how things go. Also all the reasons I mentioned above. This only becomes an option AFTER we're at least engaged. Which might not even happen.

Student - My first idea and apparently, the best one. On this option, the school wants the business so they have a legit reason to help with documentation, it's an easier way to prove legitimate interest to be in the UK for lawful reasons, doesn't require me to be the sponsor (but I can still pay for the course and visa expenses), and she learns English, which is crucial for any human being on this planet, in my opinion.

Lastly, let's talk again about me going to Russia. I'm not being stubborn. I just don't see how going there would improve anything. I'm thinking here as if I was a border force officer: If I see pictures of a dude with a Russian girl, from like last month, what I will assume is, he went there, had a vacation, and now he wants to keep seeing this girl back home, which means they are in high risk of breaking the law by having her stay longer than allowed.

None of you gave me a proper reason why going to Russia improves my chances. Instead of attacks and random mockery, be objective and tell me how that would improve my odds? Because I don't see it.
The only advantage of going there, that I can see, is that I get to spend some time with her, whereas getting her here will take a while and I will have to wait. But again, how does that help the visa? Especially if I'm going the student route.
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« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2018, 08:27:40 AM »

Lastly, let's talk again about me going to Russia. I'm not being stubborn.

None of you gave me a proper reason why going to Russia improves my chances. Instead of attacks and random mockery, be objective and tell me how that would improve my odds? Because I don't see it.


I think going to Russia is a waste of time too.  Trench and msmob think you are much further along in your relationship.  They are thinking that you want to marry this girl.  Hence why they think going to Russia will help, to build a case that you are together.

If you were going for the spousal visa then yes it would help.  But you just want to spend more time with her first.  I get that.  They don't or just can't read.  Going to Cyprus is a bad suggestion too.  You don't want to take a vacation with her. 

Student visa seems the best option for now.  She can have 6 months in the UK.  And get benefits with English classes.  So now go look for the application and start the process for her.

And I am impressed with your English writing seeing you are not a native.  If you didn't say you were from Brazil I would not have guessed.  You write much more articulately than many "native" speakers here for sure.  (Trench you listening?!)

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« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2018, 08:34:10 AM »
Sting23

Whilst it is agreed that the horse can only be led to the water - not made to drink, the OP is getting perfect advice from me and for free. 'Radom' in this particular field - I am not - having 'won' legal cases versus IRL. CY and UK and this very subject - with their legal team looking daft - in all three cases... OK?

what do you mean legal cases?  I don't know your background.  He's looking to bring a girl to the UK to see her.  That's it.  Not as a spouse or fiancee yet. 

GM ROD would waste more money going to Russia or Cyprus.  Did you even read his story.  He wants to find work in the UK.  Being anywhere else nulifies that.  He's not gonna go visit her for 2 weeks or a month.  Then what, he returns home? 

He wants to spend as much time as possible with her to build a proper relationship.  The best way is her going to the UK.  He can support her there if they live in the same flat.  If he travels he needs to rent a place.

He's gonna spend the money either on flights, rent, or a student visa for her.  I'd say better the visa.

If your situation was exactly the same then fine. but I think it's completely different.

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« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2018, 09:08:57 AM »
Sting gets it.

Yeah I've already contacted Kaplan international. That's the school a friend of mine went to in Boston, I've talked to a few people and everyone has good things to say about this school.

Tomorrow I should hear something from them, and I'll take it from there. Will keep you gentlemen posted!!!

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« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2018, 02:13:53 PM »
I think you will still have to explain your relationship with her since you are sponsoring her......I found this article regarding how much she needs for her monthly expenses.


Things to avoid when applying for a UK student visa
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Applying for a UK student visa is a typically straightforward business, but it can sometimes get tricky. Immigration is now a hot button topic in the UK, and the government under Prime Minister Theresa May has signalled its intention to tighten rules for student visas. The UK is still an outstanding study destination, but given its current political climate, it's imperative that you pay extra attention to the visa application process so you don't receive an unnecessary rejection.


To help you navigate this crucial process, here are some pitfalls you should take note of:

Avoid filling forms out incorrectly

This is obvious enough, but cannot be understated. Not only must you ensure that relevant and correct information is entered into the appropriate field on the form, you must firstly ensure that you're filling out the right form! Fortunately, the UK government has helpfully digitised many of its visa procedures and you can easily apply online via the Visa4UK automated system.

Many of the online form fields can be confusing, so it's best to check your host university's website for a guide on how to proceed - most UK university websites provide detailed instructions for your visa application. Failing that, you should consult your university contacts, who may be able to walk you through each field. Third-party experts with knowledge in UK immigration law and procedures may also offer their assistance for a small fee. Given that a single error may seriously compromise your application chances, that's a pretty small price to pay.


Avoid ambiguity

Fill out all necessary information clearly, leaving no room for misinterpretation. For instance, spell out all acronyms - the UK official handling your application may not be familiar with local acronyms that refer to street or state names in your country. If you live in Kuala Lumpur, write "Kuala Lumpur" and not "KL". You're not sitting next to the entry clearance Officer as he or she goes through your application. The Officer may contact you to clarify certain details, but that only delays your application. Furthermore, you're not allowed to submit a new application while your visa is being processed.


Conduct some thorough research

Read up on relevant immigration rules and procedures, and get to know the university you're submitting your application to. Many international students will have to undergo an interview at a visa application centre (students from certain countries are exempt and you can check which countries here). Interviewees who show they know nothing about their chosen university can potentially derail their entire application. So prepare yourself. You have to be at least able to tell interviewers why you're studying there (why you picked the university), and demonstrate that you've researched the area and thought about living costs, etc.

Avoid complacency on your documentation

No one likes to deal with stacks and stacks of paper, but it's a necessary and absolutely crucial part of your application process. Failure to submit a particular supporting document could delay your application, or worse, doom your chances altogether, requiring you to start again from scratch. Make sure all your supporting documents are translated into English and arranged neatly together before you submit them. If you make things easier for immigration Officers, they will make things easier for you.


Make a checklist of all the documents you need to submit - you can refer to this page on the official UK government website as well as this detailed PDF. In general, you must provide the following:

- Your current passport or other valid travel documentation

- Evidence that you can support yourself in the UK and pay for your studies

- Proof of parental/guardian consent if you're younger than 18

- Your tuberculosis test results (only relevant to certain countries)

Don't worry - you should get all your documents back within 14 days.

Avoid being financially unprepared

Here. there are two issues: firstly, you have to be able to pay all the fees involved in the visa application process; secondly, you hmust be able to prove you have the funds to support yourself and pay for your studies.

On the first matter, it will cost you £328 to apply from outside the UK. You'll also have to throw in some money for the healthcare surcharge - the amount will sometimes vary so you can check it out here.


For the second, you'll need to provide documents proving that funds to support yourself have been present in your, your parent's or your guardian's accounts for 28 days before submitting your application. You must prove you have enough funds to pay for one year of course fees, or the entire course if it lasts less than one year.

As for living costs, the threshold depends on where you study. If you're studying in London, you'll need to save £1,265 for each month of your course, up to a maximum of nine months (£11,385). If you're studying elsewhere in the country, the amount is £1,015 for every month of your course, or £9,135 for a course lasting nine months or more.

Don't lie

No matter whether it's in the forms or at the interview, tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth! If you give false information and/or forge any of your submitted documents, your visa application will not only be rejected, but a severe penalty will hang over your head. The UK government takes this very seriously, and pretty much exercises a zero tolerance policy against forged or fraudulent information.


"The use of fraudulent or forged documents should be---there’s absolutely zero tolerance from us on this. If we find people submitting documents that are forged or fraudulent or they haven’t disclosed full facts to us, we will not only refuse their application, they then risk a ban of 10 years from the UK if they make a subsequent application," UK Border Agency (UKBA) Regional Manager, Ed Mackie, told GMA News Online.

Other possible penalties include being deported from the UK if authorities discovered the deception while you are there, and being charged with a criminal offence, leading to a fine or maybe even jail time. So don't do it. It's just not worth it.

Don't break the rules

Lying isn't the only thing that can get you in hot soup. There are pretty harsh penalties if you violate the rules and conditions of your student visa. If you overstay - remaining in the UK beyond the duration allowed by your visa - the severity of your penalty will depend on how long you actually overstayed.

If your overstay period exceeds 28 days (four weeks), you won't be able to apply for further leave to remain from within the UK. If your overstay period exceeds 90 days (three months), you will typically be banned from returning to the UK for at least one year.


Not only that, overstaying will have huge repercussions for all future immigration applications, including applications involving countries other than the UK. So always keep track of your visa duration, and if you need to, apply for an extension well in advance.

It's also a terrible idea to violate the working rules surrounding your visa. Tier 4 are indeed allowed to work in the UK - up to a maximum of 20-hours paid or unpaid work per week during term time for degree students. However, if you work without permission or pursue work that is not allowed by the rules, you may face a court case, a hefty fine up to £5,000, jail time, and even


Read more at http://www.studyinternational.com/help-and-advice/things-to-avoid-when-applying-for-a-uk-student-visa#rAozSeijI1CRTII8.99

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« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2018, 02:27:16 PM »
Ok so let's address all of the options and all of the claims:

First, English is not my first language, but I speak, read and understand it a lot better than most natives both in the UK and the US, let's get that out of the way. If not for my accent, nobody would be able to tell I wasn't born in an English speaking country (and maybe how I look, because I definitely don't look like I'm from the US or the UK even with the green eyes).

Second, the Cyprus thing is ludicrous. The whole plan around it is to LIVE THERE? Get married there? To then have a shot at coming back here with her? Listen, I have a family of 100 people and about 80 of those live in Brazil. If I ever get married, there's high chance the wedding will happen in Brazil, or maybe two weddings, one in each country, since you can't logistically get that many people to travel to a different country to attend, unless you're a millionaire. Which I am not.

Hmm, my suggesting English was your second language was to meant to 'excuse'  your inability to filter good advice when you had it and the above paragraphs only further to suggest a deficit

You came on here for advice - you've had it -  not understand it and 'lash out' at those ( more than suggesting ) that you are going about this the way .

Another try .... You MUST show a relationship and you haven't got one ... you are planning stuff that will have Visa officers passing your application to the NO pile

My Cyprus 'suggestion' was a good way to get her to the UK - be allowed to work / study - whatever you / she dreams.

Below you are proving that you haven't understood: 


Tourist - Apparently the hardest, but best, because it can allow her to stay up to 6 months at a time, and allows multiply entry until the visa expires. But I'm not going for this one because she can't prove financial condition to support herself here, and if I try to do it as a sponsor, I believe it will become suspicious that we have an agenda (which, honestly, we do).

This plus not a home owner, no kids and nothing to 'stop her from over-staying '  ( how the British will think )  - easily solvable - if you are patient - she opens a bank account and pays in her salary  )

There's nothing wrong re 'sponsoring' - if you can show a long-term relationship. 

Spouse - Obviously, can't do this yet because we are not there yet as a couple. We still need to spend time together and see how things go. Also all the reasons I mentioned above. This only becomes an option AFTER we're at least engaged. Which might not even happen.

Still thinking UK, only options ? ! The ONLY way you two are going to be together in the UK - even -to  try each other out - is by proving a relationship and you CAN'T ..Yet ...  So go see her and build the story you are going to need to sell

Student - My first idea and apparently, the best one. On this option, the school wants the business so they have a legit reason to help with documentation, it's an easier way to prove legitimate interest to be in the UK for lawful reasons, doesn't require me to be the sponsor (but I can still pay for the course and visa expenses), and she learns English, which is crucial for any human being on this planet, in my opinion.

Slaps forehead:   You are dreaming ...I speak as someone who was a partner in a biz bringing FSU students to the UK to study.... The UK Visa authorities will want to see someone ( back home) - her / her parents(?) with MORE than enough money to support her / her course fees.  ( Historical bank statements )  We never had a Visa refusal for the biz as we knew who wouldn't make it  past the Visa officer.

Lastly, let's talk again about me going to Russia. I'm not being stubborn. I just don't see how going there would improve anything. I'm thinking here as if I was a border force officer: If I see pictures of a dude with a Russian girl, from like last month, what I will assume is, he went there, had a vacation, and now he wants to keep seeing this girl back home, which means they are in high risk of breaking the law by having her stay longer than allowed.

Indeed you ARE being stubborn ..  Let's turn it  around ... You seem happy to send the lass the funds to try to live together ?  Then you MUST demonstrate that this is a long-term relationship - sending money - alone - isn't good enough the Visa Officer wants to see that you have spent time together


None of you gave me a proper reason why going to Russia improves my chances. Instead of attacks and random mockery, be objective and tell me how that would improve my odds? Because I don't see it.
The only advantage of going there, that I can see, is that I get to spend some time with her, whereas getting her here will take a while and I will have to wait. But again, how does that help the visa? Especially if I'm going the student route.

We surely did, but you simply cannot / will not accept it ...   We see SO many guys ask for advice then refuse to accept it - so kindly understand our 'frustration' - we want to help you - but you aren't helping yourself - by refusing to see you MUST show time spent together - a relationship ...

She lives in Russia - you are in the UK - you CANNOT bring her here ( UK) until you prove  a relationship.

She cannot prove she works, does not own her home, and you haven't seen her for ( nearly ?) 3 years - you are a CLASSIC visa refusal case

Once again, you are lucky enough to be a third EU state citizen - you have time to build up her 'status' ( bank account , money going in regularly ) - but it will be six months - at least  - before you should apply - and expect success.

 




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« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2018, 04:19:19 PM »
Again, let's focus.

I have made up my mind that she's coming here.

Feel free to focus all you want.

I am giving advice not just to you but to the 5 Members and 40 Guests
are viewing this topic right now along with any newbies who come along
later.

You can make up your mind to dig a hole to China, find the boiling
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East, or anything else you want. Feel free to ignore my posts if it
makes your hole to China seem more plausible and reasonable, but
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« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2018, 05:30:38 PM »
For once I'll agree with Trench.... They are absolutely f@%#ing useless. You will never talk to anyone higher than a general telephone operator, who basically said everything was great and it shouldn't be a problem. The problem is she's was an Aussie woman 15000km away from where the visa was being processed by a Russian woman.

The rejection letter was that vague that I had to talk to a specialist to make sense of it and there is no way to appeal their decision  either. This  means that they can reject it on any grounds, even if the decision contradicts all the supportive evidence to the contrary.

It cost me $1000 to learn this lesson, almost the same as the cheapest flight to Russia I found last year.

Forget the government visa department, or an immigration lawyer, contact a visa specialist who lodges them for a living. They will talk to you for free over the phone and will most probably  tell you the same as members here are.

very true ,

thing is if you are serious from the get go , it pays to seek out and get correct information from a visa specialist /migration agent , and choose one that has experience dealing with the FSU and has had success ,

years ago i did have reason to call the australian embassy in moscow , they where helpful , but non committal on the application

your best avenue to a successfull application is to get exactly what they want and more , check it all , re check it before you send it , keep copies of all you send as you will need it again later
too may fail because they did not do the proper homework on their applications , if your rejected that makes it much harder second time around   


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« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2018, 11:56:50 PM »

Another try .... You MUST show a relationship and you haven't got one ... you are planning stuff that will have Visa officers passing your application to the NO pile



you missed the whole boat.  He isn't even at the stage where it's a relationship.  She is applying for a student visa on her own grounds.  She probably won't even mention GmRod at all in the application.  She is there to simply study. What she does on her private time is her own business.

You're thinking about sponsoring or spousal visas. Not student visas.

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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2018, 01:10:48 AM »
NO, I didn't !....

You've just added noise in a thread you know scoobie about..  I've [ mostly ]  ignored your 'contributions' as they add NOTHING to the original question.


Hint : I  first raised the issue of how many times they'd met.

The OP  would be better to use his money by regular contributions to her bank account and visits  than lining a language schools pockets... 

He isn't listening to the advice given by someone who knows ...WHAT do you know about the rights of a third nation EU citizen residing in the UK to invite a g/f - they've lived with or the UK immigration rules?

IF you want to help the guy......put a sock in it












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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2018, 01:18:34 AM »
NO, I didn't !....


Hint : I  first raised the issue of how many times they'd met.

The OP  would be better to use his money by regular contributions to her bank account and visits  than lining a language schools pockets... 

He isn't listening to the advice given by someone who knows ...WHAT do you know about the rights of a third nation EU citizen residing in the UK to invite a g/f - they've lived with or the UK immigration rules?


IF you want to help the guy......put a sock in it


this just proves you didn't even read any of his story.  read it again and you'll get what he's talking about.  Put a sock?  Grow up man. You need to listen to people instead of blabbing about.

He already said he doesn't want to go to Russia or Cyprus yet you insist he go there, for what? 

This has nothing to do with inviting her.  She is going on her own accord.  You don't seem to understand that at all.


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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2018, 01:19:39 AM »


He isn't listening to the advice given by someone who knows ...



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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2018, 01:46:09 AM »
you missed the whole boat.  He isn't even at the stage where it's a relationship.  She is applying for a student visa on her own grounds.  She probably won't even mention GmRod at all in the application.  She is there to simply study. What she does on her private time is her own business.

You're thinking about sponsoring or spousal visas. Not student visas.

True, but the emphasis will then be solely on her to prove financial standing and by UK standards she has none. She has no job and if she got one would have to stay in it a while then give it up if she was coming here for a month/several months. I get the impression like many FSU female jobs it would be a low paying job. I also get the impression that her whole family are not wealthy. If she does not own her own place than that's another mark against her. Plus she still needs to prove that she will go back home at the end of her studies. She needs to show that she has thousands of pounds in 'her' banK account to support herself. She can't say I'm living with so and so for free as the moment she does they will want to know all about him and what type of relationship they have together. If she witholds information on this relationship during the application or lies about the nature of the relationship and they find out it will not look god and likely be a refusal, etc. So she is stucK with showing she has thousands in her bank account. Rod would have to send her the money for the course or again if they see that he is paying they will want to know the 'relationship' there i.e why is this guy paying for your course?

If she can get somewhere where it is just a month or two course then this might reduce the expense a bit. A six month course is likely to be expensive both for the cost and the support she would have to show. I am somewhat familiar with  Kaplan as I used to work in a uni where they were based. Got the impression they were a market leader but expensive as a result. Will be good to hear what you find on this Rod.
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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2018, 02:06:09 AM »
Trench,

You are spouting bollox, too

You know b/all about this  subject and have NO experience  - so butt out

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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2018, 02:24:20 AM »

My Cyprus 'suggestion' was a good way to get her to the UK - be allowed to work / study - whatever you / she dreams.


Ahem... you mean my idea from last year Mobers :D Yes in theory it is a good idea as I thought when I looked into it. The problem is that foreigners don't seem to be able to grasp that, my last girl didn't, Rod doesn't and I doubt his girl would if he mentioned it to her. She would probably have an adverse reaction to it. You see I don't think many foreigners with the exception of US, AUS & Canada really get how intricate our border control/immigration system is. They don't get that often you have to go for work arounds that may take time, be costly and mean doing peculiar things. To them they don't understand this and can't see why you just can't fill out a form and boom, you're in. As you and I know the UK border force/immigration system does not work like that, or at least not for the not so wealthy.

Rod, you are right on one point and that is that Cyprus could end up a holiday situation where you quite logically want a domestic one, it may also be somewhat expensive and if you did get over the holiday situation to agree to live there together you would probably need a job or exhaust your funds. I have tried this route and unless you have a girl that is unusually open minded for a FSW/or obsessively in love with you she will be disturbed by the suggestion and you'll have just paid for a holiday together, hopefully a nice one. I would suggest if you go this route to suggest the whole intention of living together after the holiday upfront, if its a no go with her then at least you haven't had to pay a load of money for a holiday for the two of you. Oh, and you'll be footing the bill for her the whole way too, FSW are like a dead weight in that respect, dragging your finances ever downwards, lol.
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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2018, 02:39:35 AM »

Tourist - Apparently the hardest, but best, because it can allow her to stay up to 6 months at a time, and allows multiply entry until the visa expires. But I'm not going for this one because she can't prove financial condition to support herself here, and if I try to do it as a sponsor, I believe it will become suspicious that we have an agenda (which, honestly, we do).


Yes, I kind of get the impression there is more going on here than meets the eye because of your insistence of finding the most expedient cost effective route to getting her in the UK. I can't believe you are doing all of this then if you get on after the 6 months or whatever she is going to freely go home. What would be the plan in this case, shot gun wedding, anchor baby, illegal overstay?

You've already stated you can't live in Russia & she has little to keep her there by the sounds of it.
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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2018, 02:50:50 AM »
Ahem... you mean my idea from last year Mobers :D Yes in theory it is a good idea as I thought when I looked into it.

Once again, there is no need to keep proving how STUPID you are,,, Are you a third country EU national living / working in the EU ?


No.. so my info DOESN'T apply to a UK citizen - so STOP polluting the thread with bollox



 
Rod, you are right on one point and that is that Cyprus could end up a holiday situation where you quite logically want a domestic one, it may also be somewhat expensive and if you did get over the holiday situation to agree to live there together you would probably need a job or exhaust your funds. I have tried this route and unless you have a girl that is unusually open minded for a FSW/or obsessively in love with you she will be disturbed by the suggestion and you'll have just paid for a holiday together, hopefully a nice one. I would suggest if you go this route to suggest the whole intention of living together after the holiday upfront, if its a no go with her then at least you haven't had to pay a load of money for a holiday for the two of you. Oh, and you'll be footing the bill for her the whole way too, FSW are like a dead weight in that respect, dragging your finances ever downwards, lol.

More misogynist twaddle and inaccuracy ..

1/ The OP has met the lass - he seeks a way to get her in the UK to try living together

2/  Flts from Moscow are c.£50 - Visas free and quick - accommodation cheap and they will be 'clocking up' time together....  Rod could even open up a CY bank account and put money in for her  -  she could study there...

The WHOLE point is that getting her to the UK needs time - to build up a record of stability re finances and relationship ..Unlike some nations having a relationship does not 'scare' the UK Visa folk.... they want to see it is genuine and financial support and proof of togetherness ( time together, financial ties) over a period of some time..six months 

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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2018, 03:22:24 AM »
msmob did you not get from GM Rod's tone that he is adamant against going to Russia or Cyprus.  He wants her to go to the UK. that's it.

He needs to work and find a job.  How is he gonna be able to go for interviews or work in Cyprus.  He needs to spend money to live there.

He's not gonna waste 1 or 2 months having an extended holiday there.  Then they are back to square one.  He'll return to the UK, she'll go back to Russia, then what? 

Seems you take things personal when people disagree with you.  Work on the anger man. It's just a forum with strangers who have absolutely no impact on your own life. 

I guess I'm lucky with my Canadian passport I can visit the UK with no visa or nothing.  Although London is really the only place in the UK worth visiting.


 

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