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Title: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 23, 2021, 06:53:04 PM
Thought this should be an interesting thread as pretty much all countries will face changing economic circumstances over the coming year(s) likely more so than in previous years. That can of course impact a western guys ability to look for a FSW in the FSU or it may make the country the WM is in more or less desirable for FSW to want to up sticks and go there. That said places like Ukraine look to be set to be in for a hard economic knock in the coming few years but sometimes there is no telling and a country that is poor can do better than expected gaining where other countries lose out. If of course countries like Ukraine, Russia get hit hard then that can motivate a lot of women to look for a guy abroad in a more prosperous country.

Italy of course looks to be one country in for a rough ride, traditionally a country that attracts a lot of FSW but now has a debt level that the gov looks like they will struggle with and may become another Greece crises but this time too big to save. That will of course likely scare off FSW as they won't want to go from one clapped out economy to another one much the same or even worse with everything falling apart.

Here in the UK there will be a need to address the big extra spend out due to the Virus probably fast. The Budget is due in April and if we are to avoid becoming swamped with too much debt taxes etc will almost certainly have to be raised. The situation here though is likely to be reversable whereas Italy look already too far gone and there it just seems like a waiting game. So the UK could be quite an attractive prospect for FSW to look for a WM if it can stay on top of things economically. Recently Nissan have confirmed that they are going to keep their Sunderland plant and not only that but add a battery factory for its electric cars to it. Post Brexit good news like that tells me there is go in the country and so we could remain relatively prosperous.

One area of contention of late though has been people in the UK buying goods from the EU, both suppliers and customers. Some have failed to realise that goods that have come from outside the EU into the EU and then sold onto UK customers/suppliers incur customs duties. It's only goods made in the EU and sold onto the UK that don't and of course the same works in reverse of goods coming into the UK then sold into the EU that aren't produced here incurring customs duties. I don't see that as a big thing that will effect the economy though more of an aspect that will need more specific labeling and gotten used to by respective citizens. In general I think the new status quo will make Britain somewhere where a lot of FSW will admire and set above the EU nations as a preferable place to find a guy in future years.

How about you other guys, is your nation likely to be economically well off enough in the next few years so as to not be off concern moving there for FSW?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on January 23, 2021, 08:00:34 PM
Not sure i'd want to bring a woman over here because she believes it's economically better than where she is now...good chance she'll be off like a shot on the arm of another guy who's driving a DB9  if she gets the chance,and take half your house off you as a bonus.


According to our Chancellor we're heading for our worst recession/depression in the UK for 300 years,so maybe you need to use your wit,style and charm and find a wealthy woman in eastern Europe who doesn't need to come to the UK to use you as a stepping stone to trading-up.


When the going gets tough the tough get going,so start hitting those Art Galleries,Opera Houses and classical concerts once the Pandemic is over..here and in Eastern Europe  8)
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: ML on January 23, 2021, 08:59:44 PM
USA will be in for a rough time; but we will be much better off than most other countries of the world, regardless of which party is in power.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: John Gaunt on January 24, 2021, 12:29:18 AM
Not sure i'd want to bring a woman over here because she believes it's economically better than where she is now...good chance she'll be off like a shot on the arm of another guy who's driving a DB9  if she gets the chance,and take half your house off you as a bonus.


Trenchies worst nightmare.... :devil:
Otherwise, TC, your post is simply a rehash of how you can use (you wish) economic leverage to get ‘them pore wimmin’
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Davo on January 24, 2021, 12:54:41 PM
Both the industries I work in are booming. Financially i’ve never been in a better position.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 24, 2021, 05:37:32 PM
Trenchies worst nightmare.... :devil:
Otherwise, TC, your post is simply a rehash of how you can use (you wish) economic leverage to get ‘them pore wimmin’

Yes I wish to follow in your footsteps JG, I truely honour you :D
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: fathertime on January 24, 2021, 07:26:32 PM
Both the industries I work in are booming. Financially i’ve never been in a better position.
Here in California I'm seeing a lot more wealth/spending then I would have expected, given the harder times.  My industry is doing well, in addition many people with small businesses have more time to devote to the business due to other travel and leisure options being cut off. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Davo on January 24, 2021, 08:56:05 PM
Here in California I'm seeing a lot more wealth/spending then I would have expected, given the harder times.  My industry is doing well, in addition many people with small businesses have more time to devote to the business due to other travel and leisure options being cut off. 

Fathertime!

In my business i’m reaping the rewards of stimulus spending in the US and at home. The other company I work for, it’s been due to a good agricultural season and changes in tax policy re :- being able to depreciate new machinery over a shorter period of time. Agricultural machinery sales have tripled nation wide over the past year.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: GenMish on January 25, 2021, 06:19:51 AM
Here in the US, construction is still going strong in my area. So Im doing fine, My sister got laid off from a a major entertainment company, but she already has offers. Like FT said, money is piling up because we cant travel. I have gone full gourmet, and my food bill is still less than my previous habit of eating out
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: ML on January 25, 2021, 09:14:53 AM
We also haven't gone to restaurant since this whole thing began.
Even stopped getting Sausage, egg, cheese croissants from take-out window at Burger King which we loved.

House and commercial construction also going well here . . . so far.
Those super low interest rates are irresistible.

We were amazed that we sold 3 parcels of land in 2020, and even more amazed that a couple have been here several times (some with their builder) looking at a few of our remaining parcels during the dead of winter.

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Davo on January 25, 2021, 02:55:58 PM
Trench, hopefully in the future you’ll meet a woman who loves you for you. Her face lights up every time she sees you. She blushes and giggles like a teenage school girl in love for the first time. She hangs off every word you say and you can stare into each other’s eyes for hours, not saying a word and it feels like you are the only two people on this planet..... The chemistry and emotional connection between you is so amazing that concerns about hidden agendas etc... never cross your mind for a second.

Things like her age, if she has children, likes wearing jeans over short skirts, is carrying a few extra lbs, wants a career or has a nose that’s not proportional to her face hold no relevance to how you feel about her... After a few minutes together none of these matter anymore, in fact they become endearing qualities that you wouldn’t change in a million years, because those things make her the person she is, the person you love.... You accept her unconditionally like she does with you.

So what i’m getting at is forget all your concerns and what you think you want in a woman and find the one I described above. When you find that, the hottest young woman imaginable could hit on you and you’d be oblivious because you only have eyes for one other woman. 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: I/O on January 25, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
Agricultural machinery sales have tripled nation wide over the past year.
A combination of historically low funding costs and revised (maybe short term but nevertheless good) taxation policy.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 25, 2021, 03:54:42 PM

Things like her age, if she has children, likes wearing jeans over short skirts, is carrying a few extra lbs, wants a career or has a nose that’s not proportional to her face hold no relevance to how you feel about her... After a few minutes together none of these matter anymore, in fact they become endearing qualities that you wouldn’t change in a million years, because those things make her the person she is, the person you love.... You accept her unconditionally like she does with you.

How do you date a woman say who has a baby and perhaps significantly younger, say a twenty year age gap? All I can think of is to go with her to some place baby friendly like a park, not good in the UK at the moment as too cold, just wondered.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Davo on January 25, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
A combination of historically low funding costs and revised (maybe short term but nevertheless good) taxation policy.

True... Realistically it’s more to do with the good rainfall this year, a projected 2nd biggest harvest on record and good grain prices. 2 years ago it was a different story with the continued drought in Qld and NSW and low rainfall in the southern states. The company laid 1/4 of it’s employees locally. Luckily it’s a large multi national company and can ride out years like that. Typically we are the most profitable consistently when compared to the overseas divisions.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Davo on January 25, 2021, 05:42:52 PM
How do you date a woman say who has a baby and perhaps significantly younger, say a twenty year age gap? All I can think of is to go with her to some place baby friendly like a park, not good in the UK at the moment as too cold, just wondered.

Honesty I wouldn’t consider a big age gap like that, especially not with a 20 something women. There are the occasional examples like Billy who have pulled it off, but for most it’s just a recipe for divorce judging by the horror stories you read here and in other forums.

In my experience having children of my own and dating women with children, is you can feel the same love and affection with a child who’s not biologically yours as one who is. Do you really want to have a child who’s still a teenager and in school when you’re in your 60’s?

There are plenty of women in their late 30’s and early 40’s with pre teen or young teenage children who would be happy to meet a guy your age. They are attractive, intelligent and have wonderful personalities and qualities. If you’re a good role model for their children and treat them as your own, you’ll probably win her heart for life. The added bonus is you have a massively bigger dating pool to choose from and less competition.

Trench, why don’t you try something different on your next trip. Get online and meet women from  36-44, both with and without children. Then go and meet one or two of each. I guarantee you will have a much more enjoyable trip than your last few and it will change your perspective of FSU dating. Most aren’t manipulative as one member would have you believe, they are just nice down to earth women looking for love and a companion to share their life with.

Now is a good chance to get your feet wet in this age group online. Women understand that it could be 6 months or more before you can travel and are just happy to chat with no expectations. You could even post in the members only section for privacy and have the experienced members her help you.

I’ve got numerous profile id’s I could share. One woman would be perfect for you. Mid 30’s with a 10 year old son, reasonably attractive, good English skills, great sense of humour and a talented music teacher who would be happy to work from home. Unfortunately her ex left when her son was born and hasn’t been on a date locally since and two foreign men have disappointed her by not travelling to meet. She lives with her parents in a small apartment and would view your house like a mansion. She’s not materialistic and wouldn’t see your income as an issue, because she can bring in a second wage and all she wants in life is a nice man who loves her and her son. Her sons at a nice age where you can have a lot of fun together and you don’t have the expense of raising a child from birth.

What do you have to lose?... before you know it you’ll be 50 and dating in that age range anyway.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: supraman on January 25, 2021, 10:12:18 PM
Western Australia's mining industry seemed to have gotten busier . Work load  for us has doubled in the last year . More than enough work , but every one in my field has the same problem -shortage of tradesmen .
  It also helps that mining companies bought heaps of new machines during the boom and now the hours are up for full rebuilds.
   

 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: I/O on January 26, 2021, 02:03:12 AM
How do you date a woman say who has a baby and perhaps significantly younger, say a twenty year age gap? All I can think of is to go with her to some place baby friendly like a park, not good in the UK at the moment as too cold, just wondered.
I dunno, we seemed to manage...🤔

IIRC, Grandmother played her part childminding at times but we did a fair few family things (at my insistance) - if you're taking on a package, get started from the start...
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 27, 2021, 04:58:09 AM
Some idea of where our currency is heading against the Euro:

http://www.poundsterlinglive.com/eur/14896-euro-pound-rate-vulnerable-to-further-falls-as-uk-payments-to-the-eu-is-history-reuters-market-analyst/amp

Our currency currently doing well against the ghrivna currently 38.52 ghrivna to each English pound, that will give a guy quite a purchasing power in Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: ML on January 27, 2021, 07:28:27 AM
Some idea of where our currency is heading against the Euro:

http://www.poundsterlinglive.com/eur/14896-euro-pound-rate-vulnerable-to-further-falls-as-uk-payments-to-the-eu-is-history-reuters-market-analyst/amp

Our currency currently doing well against the ghrivna currently 38.52 ghrivna to each English pound, that will give a guy quite a purchasing power in Ukraine.

Top restaurants, hotels, etc., usually maintain relatively fixed prices in USD/Euro and then just convert to Hryvnia for prices to customers.

So no great change in advantage for westerners when exchange rate changes.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 27, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
Top restaurants, hotels, etc., usually maintain relatively fixed prices in USD/Euro and then just convert to Hryvnia for prices to customers.

So no great change in advantage for westerners when exchange rate changes.

You think I use top restaurants in Ukraine lol ;D
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 01, 2021, 10:31:24 AM
Well the UK has recently agreed a free trade deal with New Zealand among other nations and one is apparently being worked on with Australia. That could all be trumped with joining the cptpp:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1391655/Brexit-news-Boris-Johnson-joe-biden-us-trade-deal-join-cptpp-liz-truss-EU/amp

As said in the article that could be a clever work around for getting a trade deal with the US if the US joins as Boden has indicated it will.

I think at this stage the UK is making good inroads on what it intended to do post Brexit in terms of getting more trade deals that membership of the EU restricted. Potentially this could translate into the UK becoming the workshop of the world again in some form. If it gets the UK into a more lucrative position then that means us Brits would be looked well upon by FSW I'm thinking, much like US guys get seen as very wealthy when abroad but with less travel distance of course.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2021, 12:06:11 PM
How do you date a woman say who has a baby and perhaps significantly younger, say a twenty year age gap? All I can think of is to go with her to some place baby friendly like a park, not good in the UK at the moment as too cold, just wondered.

Trench you are living in a fantasy world if you think women twenty years
younger than you are in your wheel house.

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Patagonie on February 01, 2021, 01:50:51 PM
Both the industries I work in are booming. Financially i’ve never been in a better position.
Davo works in dildos department, now...he is about to become a millionaire. :P He really hopes this coronavirus will never end.  8) 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Davo on February 01, 2021, 03:21:57 PM
Davo works in dildos department, now...he is about to become a millionaire. :P He really hopes this coronavirus will never end.  8)

The secrets out of the box... Wall Street bets are onboard and are ready to shoot my triple ended donga shares (thanks Japs for the idea) to the moon!!! 😂
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 02, 2021, 09:47:35 PM
Trench you are living in a fantasy world if you think women twenty years
younger than you are in your wheel house.

Ordinarily I would agree, but there's this girl I know and I think she suffers from Depression. Not all the time of course but the baby's father appears to be absent. My guess is that the depression does a lot of her relationships in. I'm not sure that she gets it real bad but these days many people just run from any shortcomings the other half have and go and seek someone who doesn't. Anyway, for some reason she seems to have taken a bit of a liking to me, her personality seems similarish or maybe that's just me. Would be down to her though as I don't want any risk of reading too much into it. Haven't really spoken a lot to her but she seems nice on the odd occasions that we do and I kind of feel we are of a similar nature in that there is no sense of friction.

It's not really something I was looking towards but it just seemed to pop up. Like I say though I doubt anything will happen it's just not often that I feel on a level with someone, but things come and go. Just see what happens in my life over the next few months I guess.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: ML on February 03, 2021, 07:32:23 AM
The secrets out of the box... Wall Street bets are onboard and are ready to shoot my triple ended donga shares (thanks Japs for the idea) to the moon!!! 😂

Sorry, all that wild money went into GameStop.
Title: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on February 03, 2021, 11:15:40 AM
Ordinarily I would agree, but there's this girl I know and I think she suffers from Depression.


Bill's advice for everybody
1. You should always avoid women currently experiencing mental problems,
addiction, anyone violent or who self harm. 
2. Avoid desperate women (they tend to act desperately)
3. Avoid broken women.

Nobody at this forum has the medical or psychology training to help people
with a mental problems or illness. EVEN IF THE DID 100% OF THE MEDICAL
FIELD WOULD TELL YOU NOT TO TREAT SOMEBODY THAT YOU ARE
ROMANTICALLY INTERESTED IN.

If you want to help people go find a group that helps people but keep
romance out of it.

"Depression is a common and serious medical illness that negatively affects
how you feel, the way you think and how you act."
Source the American Psychiatric Association

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 03, 2021, 01:59:04 PM

Bill's advice for everybody
1. You should always avoid women currently experiencing mental problems,
addiction, anyone violent or who self harm. 
2. Avoid desperate women (they tend to act desperately)
3. Avoid broken women.

Nobody at this forum has the medical or psychology training to help people
with a mental problems or illness. EVEN IF THE DID 100% OF THE MEDICAL
FIELD WOULD TELL YOU NOT TO TREAT SOMEBODY THAT YOU ARE
ROMANTICALLY INTERESTED IN.

If you want to help people go find a group that helps people but keep
romance out of it.

"Depression is a common and serious medical illness that negatively affects
how you feel, the way you think and how you act."
Source the American Psychiatric Association

Indeed sage advice Bill. I don't think she has serious depression, she's always seemed quite happy while I've been around. So if she has and I don't know for certain if she has it doesn't look real bad, possibly just a post pregnancy slight thing. I know I certainly wouldn't get involved with a girl who had a serious mental health condition as it's real problem and can quickly get out off depth with it all.

So anyway, yeah the girl is real hot :D In all honesty nothing is likely to happen it may be more in my mind than anything. Girls from the FSU tend to be more on hand in usual times that is.

I know of girls with several mental health problems and yeah to be sure they are broken in terms of any relationship capability. For them I wouldn't think it fair for anyone to have children with, I would feel too bad for the child being passed on any long term/permanent mental health conditions.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Boethius on February 03, 2021, 03:03:02 PM
You can't know if a person is depressed, unless they tell you.  Often, the person doesn't know.


Depression is quite common in both Ukraine and Russia, because of the social/economic/political situation.  I think a better way of gauging is how adaptable a person is, because a person has to be fairly adaptable to live in a new country/culture.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: ML on February 03, 2021, 05:09:45 PM
I think a better way of gauging is how adaptable a person is, because a person has to be fairly adaptable to live in a new country/culture.

Yes, as I have mentioned here before, my wife adapted amazingly quickly to living in USA.

One would think that maybe she moved down to USA from Canada rather than from Ukraine.

Her own mother declared that she was lying when spouse answered her question about being homesick by declaring that she wasn't.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 07, 2021, 01:18:09 AM
UK really starting to make good progress on new trade deals now:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57347874.amp

Trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein. All non-EU members like ourselves. If we can band around a club of non-EU members to trade with in Europe then we can stop the EU having a stranglehold on trade in Europe and more members may break away and join us.

The UK is now negotiating joining the Pacific trade group with Australia, New Zealand and Japan and is in very advanced trade talks with Australia and nearing a deal there. So, so far we seem to be making Brexit work for us, as if there were ever any doubters on here ;)
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: John Gaunt on June 07, 2021, 02:00:36 AM
UK really starting to make good progress on new trade deals now:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57347874.amp

Trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein. All non-EU members like ourselves. If we can band around a club of non-EU members to trade with in Europe then we can stop the EU having a stranglehold on trade in Europe and more members may break away and join us.

The UK is now negotiating joining the Pacific trade group with Australia, New Zealand and Japan and is in very advanced trade talks with Australia and nearing a deal there. So, so far we seem to be making Brexit work for us, as if there were ever any doubters on here ;)
Does it mean more money in your pocket Trench?
There is some data to suggest hourly wages are rising in certain sectors of the job market due to labour shortages.
Perhaps the minimum wage will go up although Sunak is probably scrambling to finance his budget deficit so it’s unlikely.
Furloughs also coming to an end so no more freebies for you.  :devil:
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 07, 2021, 11:31:56 AM
Does it mean more money in your pocket Trench?
There is some data to suggest hourly wages are rising in certain sectors of the job market due to labour shortages.
Perhaps the minimum wage will go up although Sunak is probably scrambling to finance his budget deficit so it’s unlikely.
Furloughs also coming to an end so no more freebies for you.  :devil:

We haven't lost that many people to the virus JG. Apparently 5 million EU citizens who are living in the UK have been given settled status here, 2 million more than estimated. Then we have tens of thousands of Hong Konger's coming in which are estimated to swell to around 300,000 eventually. So we hardly have labour shortages. The only one that does is the hospitality sector and that's because people are so fed up with the inconsistent stability of their job due to lockdowns that it's not worth their bother as they realise they are better of getting more stable numbers elsewhere.

We've at least shut the door on much further immigration from the EU somewhat but I personally think the invite to the Hong Kongers is something we shouldn't have done given the shortage of housing problem in this country now. Do some progress but still more work to do.

Unfortunately I wasn't one of the lucky ones to get Furlough so couldn't jog around the block all day long getting buff for FSW  >:(
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 11, 2021, 11:45:06 AM
The UK continues to make headway post Brexit. The recent agreements with Norway in particular but also Iceland and Lichtenstein help us to progress further post EU:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-trade-deal-norway-fish-processing-tariffs-eu-b959858.html

Despite a few minor issues our economy is plodding along quite well so far. A few adjustments needed along the way but nothing gets done without any change. Now where's that remoaner Mobers :D
Title: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on October 11, 2021, 02:47:10 PM
Yes, as I have mentioned here before, my wife adapted amazingly quickly to living in USA.

I have the makings of a hypothesis/theory, no testing, experiments or fact finding
has been done.

Fact: Angel Eyes adapted amazingly. Smiley Girl did NOT.
The theory/hypothesis part is: 

Angel Eyes was alone romantically and although she had some friends
she was alone almost all of the time in the evening, Smiley girl took most
of her free time and she was only able to visit with friends occasionally. She
was an avid gardener although her mother questioned/oversaw every particle
of soil and was a micromanager.

Smiley Girl had a thousand friends (very little romance at her age back then)

My hypothesis is that the adaptation was made easier for Angel Eyes because
she was no longer lonely romantically and Smiley girl was with her and she had
her own garden (still her favorite hobby) with no micromanagement from Mommy
Dearest.

Smiley girl missed all her friends and still had very little romance back then. Smiley
girls favorite hobby was to walk around the parks with her friends and talk to whoever
they encountered. Her favorite hobby was gone and nobody walks around outside
together in most of the USA and certainly in Western Norf Dekody, so she struggled
more. 

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 19, 2021, 03:51:31 AM
Looks like more trouble brewing in the EU:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10105861/amp/EU-faces-collapse-keeps-blackmailing-Poland-PM-warns-amid-rule-law-row.html

Looks like Poland now have issues with the EU, some of which we had namely the EU wanting to take away sovereignty and take full control over its members in one integrated (whole country) Europe and EU laws taking precedence. There have also been reports that the EU and Poland are at odds with Poland stopping illegal immigrants by putting up a border fence along its border with Belarus to stop illegals as far away as Afghanistan and possibly further getting in.

It's kind of laughable that Poland is now having the same concerns as we did. Probably now we are out of the EU the illegals are pitching up there or in Germany now that we no longer have to take them.

Given that Poland is the biggest net receiver of EU funds it's kind of funny that they are now unhappy. The EU is now blocking funds to Poland in their usual do as we say or else overbearing attitude. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on October 19, 2021, 04:42:17 AM


It's kind of laughable that Poland is now having the same concerns as we did. Probably now we are out of the EU the illegals are pitching up there or in Germany now that we no longer have to take them


Not sure where you're getting your  laughter from.


13,500 illegal immigrants have entered the UK this year....already more than last year.


NONE of them have been evicted from the UK..often because of human rights lawyers getting ever more wealthier blocking their eviction from the UK.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: BC on October 19, 2021, 05:08:19 AM

Not sure where you're getting your  laughter from.


I think they call such schadenfreude.  Seem to bolster Trenchie's self-esteem a bit.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 20, 2021, 11:16:02 PM

Not sure where you're getting your  laughter from.


13,500 illegal immigrants have entered the UK this year....already more than last year.


NONE of them have been evicted from the UK..often because of human rights lawyers getting ever more wealthier blocking their eviction from the UK.

Illegal immigration is indeed still occurring and something the UK needs to grapple with faster and firmer post Brexit I believe. If other EU nations in Eastern Europe and the Balkans put up barriers it may help. If the French are able to restrict the flow of migrants through its borders that may help also. All of that is at odds with EU policy of course which only allows chaos to reign.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 20, 2021, 11:17:52 PM
Another one in the eye for Remoaners post Brexit:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16486963/britain-new-zealand-trade-deal-cheaper-wine/

Trade deal with New Zealand now done with cheaper wine & lamb on the way for us :)

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 12, 2021, 05:34:25 AM
Illegal immigration is indeed still occurring and something the UK needs to grapple with faster and firmer post Brexit I believe. If other EU nations in Eastern Europe and the Balkans put up barriers it may help. If the French are able to restrict the flow of migrants through its borders that may help also. All of that is at odds with EU policy of course which only allows chaos to reign.


Almost 23,000 illegal immigrants have now crossed the channel to enter the UK this year..and they're still coming.


They're now being given council homes to live in.


Meanwhile there are 7,000 military veterans who are now homeless in the UK...no social housing for them.


As many as 57,000 care home staff were laid off today,because they won't have Covid vaccinations..even though having the jab does not prevent passing on the virus.


This Government is proving to be incompetent...only interested in lining their own pockets.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: John Gaunt on November 12, 2021, 05:53:15 AM

Almost 23,000 illegal immigrants have now crossed the channel to enter the UK this year..and they're still coming.


They're now being given council homes to live in.


Meanwhile there are 7,000 military veterans who are now homeless in the UK...no social housing for them.


As many as 57,000 care home staff were laid off today,because they won't have Covid vaccinations..even though having the jab does not prevent passing on the virus.


This Government is proving to be incompetent...only interested in lining their own pockets.
I agree. No government seems able to grasp the bill by its horns and tackle the problem. Except Poland, it seems. They’ve made a stand and should be applauded for it.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: GQBlues on November 12, 2021, 11:29:16 AM

Almost 23,000 illegal immigrants have now crossed the channel to enter the UK this year..and they're still coming.

They're now being given council homes to live in.

Meanwhile there are 7,000 military veterans who are now homeless in the UK...no social housing for them.

As many as 57,000 care home staff were laid off today,because they won't have Covid vaccinations..even though having the jab does not prevent passing on the virus.

This Government is proving to be incompetent...only interested in lining their own pockets.


Multiply each of those bulleted points by ten-fold in severity, then you just described the US. At least the UK leadership isn't declaring paying your illegal immigrants $450,000.00 each.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Jumper1 on November 12, 2021, 08:01:51 PM
In my line of work ,and business,its busier than ever.
Things could change, but the largest problem is not enough workers or raw materials.Plenty of customers, and  just like last year I've had to turn down a lot of work.


Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 22, 2021, 05:19:40 PM
Illegal immigration is indeed still occurring and something the UK needs to grapple with faster and firmer post Brexit I believe. If other EU nations in Eastern Europe and the Balkans put up barriers it may help. If the French are able to restrict the flow of migrants through its borders that may help also. All of that is at odds with EU policy of course which only allows chaos to reign.


The Home office has now admitted more than 25,700 Channel migrants have now entered the UK this year...and MP's are now saying it's becoming a crisis.


We clearly haven't taken back control of our borders post brexit.


Still feeling smug about immigration after Brexit ?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on November 23, 2021, 08:16:51 AM

Multiply each of those bulleted points by ten-fold in severity, then you just described the US. At least the UK leadership isn't declaring paying your illegal immigrants $450,000.00 each.

Fifty to a hundred fold. Over 200,000 illegals in one month, more than 1.7
million in one year.

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 24, 2021, 12:46:33 AM

The Home office has now admitted more than 25,700 Channel migrants have now entered the UK this year...and MP's are now saying it's becoming a crisis.


We clearly haven't taken back control of our borders post brexit.


Still feeling smug about immigration after Brexit ?

It seems apparent to me that the Home Office has so far failed to sort out the illegal immigration problem. They have till December 2024 to do something about it which is the last date that a General Election can be held. Hopefully they will start to act sooner. I don't think that they will have any excuse why they can't act and sort out the problem in the next year or so. Clearly we are treating these illegal immigrants too generously for them to keep coming here.

In recent days it has been said that Nigel Farage might return with a new political party to sort out the mess. He himself seems reluctant at the moment though he is as keen as many of us to see the illegal migrant problem sorted. My guess is that if it is not he may do another Brexit Party manoeuvre and set up a party not long before the next General Election. I think unless the Tories do something soon voters won't tolerate the situation not being successfully dealt with and will vote elsewhere. UKIP is still around but a new party under Farage aimed at tackling the problem may be more effective in a General Election.

I personally am doubtful if the Tory Party will tackle the illegal migrant problem successfully given their track record to date. Labour would be even worse it seems and would likely fuel the problem even worse but I don't think they have a hope in the next General Election as things currently stand thank goodness. So to my mind at the moment I think many voters would vote for a party that would sort out and stop the illegal migrant crossings, apparently the majority of Tory voters would and I would too. We never used to have this problem back in the 80s & 90s and before so it would be nice to get back to that situation.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 24, 2021, 11:16:31 AM
It seems apparent to me that the Home Office has so far failed to sort out the illegal immigration problem. They have till December 2024 to do something about it which is the last date that a General Election can be held. Hopefully they will start to act sooner. I don't think that they will have any excuse why they can't act and sort out the problem in the next year or so. Clearly we are treating these illegal immigrants too generously for them to keep coming here.

In recent days it has been said that Nigel Farage might return with a new political party to sort out the mess. He himself seems reluctant at the moment though he is as keen as many of us to see the illegal migrant problem sorted. My guess is that if it is not he may do another Brexit Party manoeuvre and set up a party not long before the next General Election. I think unless the Tories do something soon voters won't tolerate the situation not being successfully dealt with and will vote elsewhere. UKIP is still around but a new party under Farage aimed at tackling the problem may be more effective in a General Election.

I personally am doubtful if the Tory Party will tackle the illegal migrant problem successfully given their track record to date. Labour would be even worse it seems and would likely fuel the problem even worse but I don't think they have a hope in the next General Election as things currently stand thank goodness. So to my mind at the moment I think many voters would vote for a party that would sort out and stop the illegal migrant crossings, apparently the majority of Tory voters would and I would too. We never used to have this problem back in the 80s & 90s and before so it would be nice to get back to that situation.


31 potential illegal migrants died in the Channel today after their boat sank in French waters on the way to the UK.


That might wake up our Government and woke/lefty justice system into doing something to stop this.


Stopping giving benefits to illegal migrants,thus reducing their motivation for coming here, would be a good start.


As for Farage,i saw him on GB news last night where he said he's had many requests to return to politics to sort this illegal immigration problem out but he's reluctant because he rather likes his job at GB news.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 24, 2021, 01:22:18 PM

33 potential illegal migrants died in the Channel today after their boat sank in French waters on the way to the UK.


That might wake up our Government and woke/lefty justice system into doing something to stop this.


Stopping giving benefits to illegal migrants,thus reducing their motivation for coming here, would be a good start.


As for Farage,i saw him on GB news last night where he said he's had many requests to return to politics to sort this illegal immigration problem out but he's reluctant because he rather likes his job at GB news.

Yep it had a migrant hugger close to tears on learning a few didn't make it on the news earlier.
 
For some reason the thought of remaining in France prompts the need for them to risk their lives. They don't need to risk their lives since France would take them but they choose to unnecessarily all the same. To my mind that's not the actions of people that need a safe country and are running in fear of their safety since they seem to care little for their own safety in putting their lives on the line.

I saw similar online that Farage wasn't keen on the idea, didn't know it was because he enjoyed his stint on GB News though. My guess is that he knows there's little point at the moment anyway as we're still a bit over two years from the next General Election. That's still quite a run up and as we saw from the Brexit Party he knows that a party can be created just months before and do well. My guess is that if it's still an issue nearer the time he might well come out then to come in the running.

I'm personally not that confident the Tories are willing to bring in measures that would make the UK a turn off to these  illegal immigrants. UKIP could make a comeback but they seem to be lacking a leader like Farage and haven't always been that cohesive. At the moment though it's probably the best bet so will probably go that way though I not so sure they'll make the headway necessary. Ideally we need a well known leader like Farage to come back and spearhead a push to sort out the illegal migrant problem.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 25, 2021, 05:51:54 AM
The French can't count..it's now down to 27 died.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2021, 01:55:14 PM
The French can't count..it's now down to 27 died.

Well decided to join UKIP today, meant digging into my pocket for £30 for a year's membership but I decided this problem has been left to slide too long and unless action is taken with the rising numbers making their way here society will be in a hell of a state in which to live if things are allowed to carry on. From the noises the Tories are making I can't see them doing anything effective which means if we want anything to happen then UKIP are the only ones likely at present to do so. Reading their stuff on their website it sounded like the right direction needed:

http://www.ukip.org/ukip-policies/policy-immigration

Farage sounds reluctant to get involved at the moment and not sure if he will this time, possibly he might right before the next General Election probably in 2024 but until then if he does I think UKIP are the only ones likely to impact anything. If the Tories see their support slumping at the polls in favour of UKIP then they might start to see the need to take more direct action. There are a few by-elections coming up the most recent being on the 2nd December in Old Bexley and Sidcup so with recent events hopefully the electorate their will swing towards UKIP. I can't see many people in Kent being happy with the recent bombing up in Liverpool or all the migrant crossings happening over in their county.

Although I'm not intending to get prominently involved I think if enough people come out in support and make a contribution things should start to turn in our favour just like they did with Brexit :)
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: BC on November 25, 2021, 02:10:30 PM
You seem worried about someone entering the country that might be willing to work harder than yourself.  God forbid they might earn more than you do.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2021, 02:17:55 PM
You seem worried about someone entering the country that might be willing to work harder than yourself.  God forbid they might earn more than you do.

They don't have that right to work here in the first place BC. Should I invite myself into the US, ignore their immigration process and instead state that I am willing to work hard so that means I can jump in front of all of those following the legal immigration process and move straight to work thereby depriving US citizens of work?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 25, 2021, 03:27:02 PM
You seem worried about someone entering the country that might be willing to work harder than yourself.  God forbid they might earn more than you do.


You don't seem to umderstand the concept of ILLEGAL immigration.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Rosco on November 25, 2021, 04:11:55 PM
You seem worried about someone entering the country that might be willing to work harder than yourself.  God forbid they might earn more than you do.

Lol

If everyone was so naive, we’d have more problems than we do today. I think intentionally fudging the lines between legal and illegal immigration is some top class trolling.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: BC on November 25, 2021, 10:06:05 PM
Rosco,

did you read the link Trench provided?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: John Gaunt on November 25, 2021, 10:58:38 PM
You seem worried about someone entering the country that might be willing to work harder than yourself.  God forbid they might earn more than you do.

All the ‘illegal’ migrants will end up working in the black economy for slave wages.
So not really a valid comparison.

Illegal migration is threatening the foundations of our societies. It needs to stop.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: BC on November 26, 2021, 02:17:15 AM
JG,

and how do UKIP Policies stop illegal immigration when it is aimed at stopping legal immigration with a zero net policy?  Seems this would only drive more to immigrate illegally.

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British citizens will be expected to marry from within the British population if they wish to live in Britain.

Cute. Ought to call this the Trenchie Law. Now that he's joined up, he'll have to renounce his fantasy of finding a beautiful, subservient woman overseas.  Hypocrisy at its very best.

Not one mention in the manifesto of dramatically increased controls, higher mandatory fines and incarceration of employers that hire on illegal workers or pay substandard wages that I can see.  How many are caught nowadays? Only 10 -20 per month, with only fines and averaging 15k per worker or such?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2021, 04:04:43 AM
JG,

and how do UKIP Policies stop illegal immigration when it is aimed at stopping legal immigration with a zero net policy?  Seems this would only drive more to immigrate illegally.

Cute. Ought to call this the Trenchie Law. Now that he's joined up, he'll have to renounce his fantasy of finding a beautiful, subservient woman overseas.  Hypocrisy at its very best.

Not one mention in the manifesto of dramatically increased controls, higher mandatory fines and incarceration of employers that hire on illegal workers or pay substandard wages that I can see.  How many are caught nowadays? Only 10 -20 per month, with only fines and averaging 15k per worker or such?

I'll marry her in Ukraine and just fly in for some hot raunchy sex every so often. She can stay there and me here that way I won't have her telling me what to do ;D

Seriously though it's not really UKIP's main thrust, they really mean more marriages from India & Pakistan where it can lead to a daisy chain of people coming into the country rather than based on skills and expertise. Most UK guys will be able to find ways to make an overseas relationship in the FSU work.

On the asylum front there is a difference in my mind between people that are genuinely desperately in need and those that are greedy and led by their own stupidity. Theresa May agreed to accept genuine Asylum seekers from Syria and the like, mostly children classed as vulnerable assessed out there as being in need, that's fair enough so long as they return afterwards. What we have here though is a load of economic illegal immigrants led by their own greed and stupidity not genuine Asylum seekers. Think about it, they come from a country where they apparently fear for their life to then no longer have any fear for their life on a dangerous channel crossing on unsafe inflatable dingies some crossing in winter with icy cold water??? Doesn't make sense does it. Especially not when they have the safety of France and numerous other EU countries through which they passed but would rather risk their lives instead. Hence they aren't asylum seekers as they claim they are really just economic illegal immigrants falsely claiming asylum.

The only way to clear this mess up is to do as UKIP state and ditch all the obsolete ridiculous agreements we've signed up to. It would be the best for all around.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 26, 2021, 04:52:16 AM
All the ‘illegal’ migrants will end up working in the black economy for slave wages.
So not really a valid comparison.

Illegal migration is threatening the foundations of our societies. It needs to stop.


To be fair to BC some of these illegal immigrants may well earn more money than Trench and make a lucrative living here working hard .... drug dealing....sex trafficking....people smuggling...shoplifting.....pickpocketing.....car ringing....
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: BC on November 26, 2021, 12:06:01 PM
Chelseaboy,

sure, I understand some may be involved in illegal money making opportunities, as are citizens that live in our respective countries.  Kinda contrary though as most are trying to fly 'under the radar'.

A host of studies are available, example http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/irregular-migration-in-the-uk/

Might be worth your while to take a peek.

Politics is like any other product.  A market has to be created to produce good sales.  Note much information is simply unknown, but politics still spout a sales pitch using the lack of information as a selling point.  Argumentum ad ignorantium is quite effective and finds resonance by instilling fear.

Take for example JG's statement:

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All the ‘illegal’ migrants will end up working in the black economy for slave wages.

The report I linked above states:

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This study also found that access to irregular work depended on migrants’ ethnicity; and that some felt they were treated well by employers whilst others reported being paid below minimum wage, or being exploited, sometimes severely.

Ditto with complaints about housing, medical care etc.

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Irregular migrants are not permitted to access most social security benefits, including housing benefits, and some public services in the UK, such as social housing and hospital-based healthcare.

My point was, and still is that the UKIP manifesto is about how to restrict legal immigration, and says, or does little regarding irregular immigration. They are different topics, but often intermingled.  That's the bait and switch 'sell'.

Anyhoo, Trench again fails to put money where his mouth is.

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 27, 2021, 03:25:15 AM

My point was, and still is that the UKIP manifesto is about how to restrict legal immigration, and says, or does little regarding irregular immigration. They are different topics, but often intermingled.  That's the bait and switch 'sell'.

Anyhoo, Trench again fails to put money where his mouth is.

I paid to join UKIP as a member, I even bought a few knick naks in their shop to help support the cause, so I would hardly say that I haven't put my money where my mouth is.

UKIP as I understand it is about restricting or stopping legal immigration and illegal immigration. The latter is evident in the link I posted up. Legal immigration needs to be gotten under control as there is now a severe shortage of housing in this country so to be responsible and decent to people we shouldn't be adding loads of people to the population. Slot of those people come in legally as said in a daisy chain fashion from India and Pakistan through family ties, i.e one gets over here and the rest follow. I personally don't have anything against people from India or Pakistan or any part of the world based on race but we just don't have the housing available to support such a system.

The Tories have in addition let in 15,000 Afghans and likely 300,000 plus Hong Kongers, again that is going to be a real concern for housing and after we were supposed to take back control of our borders it seems a foolish move. Hong Kong as a territory we left back in the nineties so there was no reason to offer such a immigration offer now other than taking issue with China. Afghanistan there were way more people that apparently qualified for refuge as a result of helping UK forces than their should have been in my opinion. I was under the impression than it would be a few hundred of those that were invaluable over a long period to the Allies instead it looks like anyone who passed on the tinyest but of info or had some loose connection got in.

So all in all we're getting in a real mess here, apparently 12,000 of the 15,000 Afghans we took in are still in hotels as our housing shortage problem is so accute, I think you can imagine how much that is costing UK taxpayers, all because our government opened their trap too quickly to take them in same with the Hong Kongers. Theoretically they are legally but it was an irresponsible move on the part of our government I believe. So we basically need some reputation from a party like UKIP in government to hold them to account and give a voice their against such silly moves plus obviously sort out the situation as a whole.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: BC on November 27, 2021, 05:29:51 AM
Do you make more than the personal allowance of £12,570, or enough so that you can say your feelings of having to contribute a lot to support legal immigrants is really justified?

Or do you, like illegal immigrants, fudge a bit here and there to pay less taxes?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 27, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
Do you make more than the personal allowance of £12,570, or enough so that you can say your feelings of having to contribute a lot to support legal immigrants is really justified?

Or do you, like illegal immigrants, fudge a bit here and there to pay less taxes?

I earn more than the personal allowance and hence pay a small amount of income tax, I also pay sone national insurance tax, plus VAT on anything I buy, plus I pay council tax. I pay the taxes at the rate I'm expected to pay by the UK government.

Tax though for me isn't an issue in relation to illegal immigrants, I'm not sure why you bring it up. For me illegal immigration is messing up society and I have to live in this society along with family and fellow countrymen & women. As I stated there is a severe housing shortage in the UK, there is then the issue of employment and pay. The more illegal migrants that come in the less housing there is, the less employment for legal citizens there may be and the lower pay can become and yes why would I want to pay anything extra in tax for that. There is also the issue of culture, while I don't mind the odd few people from here or there, why do I want to live in a society where people are all from anywhere and the culture I knew and could relate to no longer exists. It's about quality of life BC, if people just satisfy themselves where they go they often don't care about the place just the money it's why most of them try to come here. They don't care if they end up making the place they go an unbearable nightmare for it citizens, where squalid accomodation is rented out at exorbitant costs, work may become hard to come by then if you do it's very low pay for a lot of hard work and where everyone is crambed in and doesn't feel they can relate to the other cultures around them, may even find them hostile and difficult to live with. Not a nice vision of a place to live life is it?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Sailor291 on November 27, 2021, 08:43:21 AM
I earn more than the personal allowance and hence pay a small amount of income tax, I also pay sone national insurance tax, plus VAT on anything I buy, plus I pay council tax. I pay the taxes at the rate I'm expected to pay by the UK government.

Tax though for me isn't an issue in relation to illegal immigrants, I'm not sure why you bring it up. For me illegal immigration is messing up society and I have to live in this society along with family and fellow countrymen & women. As I stated there is a severe housing shortage in the UK, there is then the issue of employment and pay. The more illegal migrants that come in the less housing there is, the less employment for legal citizens there may be and the lower pay can become and yes why would I want to pay anything extra in tax for that. There is also the issue of culture, while I don't mind the odd few people from here or there, why do I want to live in a society where people are all from anywhere and the culture I knew and could relate to no longer exists. It's about quality of life BC, if people just satisfy themselves where they go they often don't care about the place just the money it's why most of them try to come here. They don't care if they end up making the place they go an unbearable nightmare for it citizens, where squalid accomodation is rented out at exorbitant costs, work may become hard to come by then if you do it's very low pay for a lot of hard work and where everyone is crambed in and doesn't feel they can relate to the other cultures around them, may even find them hostile and difficult to live with. Not a nice vision of a place to live life is it?


help me out here, I hear Brits say things about the Council all the time.  Just exactly what is that?  Is it like the City Council or is it a different type of entity?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 27, 2021, 09:24:53 AM

help me out here, I hear Brits say things about the Council all the time.  Just exactly what is that?  Is it like the City Council or is it a different type of entity?

Pretty much all councils in the UK are based in a town or city, sometimes they just cover the city or just part of a city district such as is the case in London. Other times they can represent the immediate locality the town and it's suburbs. More recently some councils in the UK have amalgumated to cover two or even three towns to attempt to cut down on running costs by becoming more efficient. Then there are done councils that cover a whole county or part of a county often in more rural areas in the country at large.

All councils though are of the same level pretty much to one another, they are all there to run essential services in the area they cover and potentially sort out any problems, etc. They all charge council tax on householders to do this, council tax that is generally paid monthly based on value of your property at last government valuation, often it's around £100 or more a month depending upon where you live in the country, value of your property in comparison to value of other properties locally in the form of council tax banding, the higher the property value band the higher the tax you pay per month.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Sailor291 on November 27, 2021, 12:12:01 PM
So sort of like our city government but probably some differences.  The city here provides water, sewer, sanitation, police, fire, ambulance, animal control, etc. 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 27, 2021, 12:28:23 PM
So sort of like our city government but probably some differences.  The city here provides water, sewer, sanitation, police, fire, ambulance, animal control, etc.

Yep it's much the same as that really.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on November 27, 2021, 02:10:52 PM
Yep it's much the same as that really.

I assume that they let non property owners vote for these councils?
Do they also institute rent control(s)?

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 27, 2021, 05:56:15 PM
I assume that they let non property owners vote for these councils?
Do they also institute rent control(s)?

Indeed, anyone over the age of 18 can vote in local Council Elections to choose Councillors. Just the same as anyone over 18 can vote in General Elections. Many Councillors from the various parties (or Independents) often end up later standing as an MP.

I'm not aware of any rent controls in the UK. I think they have rent controls in some places in Ireland. Landlords in the UK can basically charge what they like so long as they can find Tenants willing to pay it.

A small amount of Council Housing still exists where Council Tenants can get a reduced rate of say up to a third of their rent, if they are unemployed the housing benefit will pay the rent anyway though but is capped to stop those in private accomodation renting a real swanky pad. Housing Associations (private companies housing the poor) tend to have taken over from council housing in the recent couple of decades though.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 28, 2021, 02:15:07 AM
The upcoming Old Bexley and Sidcup by-election for their new MP could be an interesting one, plenty of horses in the race and no one assured a victory this time it seems:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59435987.amp

These are the results from the 2017 General Election:

http://electionresults.parliament.uk/election/2017-06-08/results/Location/Constituency/Old%20Bexley%20and%20Sidcup

That was the General Election Theresa May fought, in that seat at least the Tories walk away with an easy win that time.

However this was the result in the 2015 General Election:

http://electionresults.parliament.uk/election/2015-05-07/Results/Location/Constituency/Old%20Bexley%20and%20Sidcup/

As we can see UKIP did a lot better in that General Election. That Election was fought with David Cameron as leader before the 2016 Brexit Referendum.

This time many more horses in the race to split the vote. Recent events of the Liverpool bombing and illegal migrant crossings are ideal timings for UKIP to capitalise on here. Reform UK may do quite well also they did in the Welsh Elections earlier in the year better than UKIP in fact but a different area and without as much of an illegal immigration issue at the time.

The MP that held the Old Bexley and Sidcup seat was also well thought of by his constituents at large apparently so him no longer being their candidate due to his passing could see the Tories fall away a lot in votes also. So it could really be an interesting outcome come 2nd Dec, that or possibly fizzle out into a non event is always a possibility also I guess.


The 2019 General Election result is somewhat interesting also in this constitutency seat:

http://members.parliament.uk/constituency/3669/election/397

That one was with Boris Johnson as party leader held as a result of impasse in Parliament as a result of the Government being pretty much a hung parliament after Theresa May's 2017 General Election. Far fewer candidates contesting the seat this time most notably UKIP are absent as the Tory MP James Brokenshire was a Brexit supporting MP they tend not to field candidates against them unless possibly they feel the Tory Party policy as a whole isn't what it should be. So he increased his majority partly as a result of UKIP not contesting the seat. So it helps to show what a difference it can make if the seat is contested by other candidates which the electorate are open to I think.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 21, 2022, 10:21:01 PM
Well the Tories won the old Bexley by election and the Lib Dems the following one. Next up is Southend where the MP was stabbed to death by a deranged failed asylum seeker. Possibly UKIP might so better given the background in that one it's due early February.

In the old Bexley by-election the Remain EU candidate did badly losing the deposit (of money) they had paid. It at least looks like that now is a truely lost cause with I hope no chance of us every rejoining the EU. Their candidate got less than 1 percent of the vote 0.6 or something it was.

Anyhow to update we now seem in a very favourable employment situation here in the UK. Not only are we doing better than the EU on employment but there are plenty of jobs around :) This recent article details the situation:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1551806/UK-unemployment-rate-vs-EU-evg/amp

Basically we've benefitted from closing our doors to the constant upward immigration from Eastern Europe. It means that now it's possible to look online and find jobs and more to the point ones that are decent enough in some way. That bodes well for us British workers in my book as hopefully wages in real terms will start to rise a bit as Employers seek to entice workers not only that but working conditions potentially too. Before Employers had the whip had and could expect a lot of work for very little pay now a more reasonable situation seems to be developing, Brexit Britain working at last :)

Housing of course has been saved from running out completely as well, there's still a housing situation and housing is still very much in demand but it's stopped from being exhausted completely even if there is currently not a lot of stuff on the market.

Overall given the virus and adjusting to the changed circumstances that naturally come with change such as Brexit we seem to be doing pretty well. I'm certainly bwell pleased we left the EU, I think we would be suffering intolerably had we not by now, mass homelessness, makeshift housing/caravans, too few jobs, little chance of better pay, wait for the vaccines, etc.

Still more to do, more trade deals to sign and the NI situation to iron out but that should no doubt hopefully come. Illegal channel crossing becoming a big issue so more work to be done there. Given the present situation though I'm pretty pleased we are no longer dominated by the EU telling us what to do and having power over us. The current Ukraine situation I think is better that we are not tied to the EU response but can speak with our own voice on that matter.

Overall I'm pretty pleased we got our of the EU and economically we are already seemingly better of for it :)
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Grumpy on January 22, 2022, 03:22:25 PM
Perhaps the solution Trench is looking for could be found with a NFT meta-girlfriend. No bothers with immigration, style of dressing, support, ect.

http://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/meta-girlfriends-nft

Want to pay hard cash for customizable avatars of slender, perfectly coiffed cartoon girls that you can see ‘exclusive’ nudes of? Welcome to the latest wrinkle in the bonkers world of NFTs

On its face, one of the newest NFTs (non-fungible tokens) on the Ethereum network is innocuous enough: Avatars of women, each adorned with differing hairstyles, makeup and clothing, gazing ahead with a neutral expression. But then you realize the NFTs are dubbed “Meta Girlfriends,” and the underlying philosophy of the project becomes a little clearer.

“Meta Girlfriends represent the mature side of NFT Art,” the homepage boasts. “They are randomly generated using over 600 traits, across 20 categories, to guarantee each one comes with a unique personality.”
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Muzh on February 10, 2022, 12:10:21 PM
Here in California I'm seeing a lot more wealth/spending then I would have expected, given the harder times.  My industry is doing well, in addition many people with small businesses have more time to devote to the business due to other travel and leisure options being cut off. 

Fathertime!


FT, I see bad habits don't change. It is thAn, not thEn.


I've been retired for 6 years and I make more now thAn when I was working.  :P
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Muzh on February 10, 2022, 12:23:49 PM
That's just the way it is. Somethings will never change. (on this list)


I'd love to see the massive deportation of all those "illegal" immigrants, specifically here in the US, and then watch the economy take a downward spiral. Actually, see the crops rot on the fields. Hotels close due to lack of staffing. Even the horse races come to an abrupt close. And on and on.


Why don't enforce the law? Or is it because big business has too much invested in cheap labor and they deploy their armies of lobbyists to stem the tide of "illegal" immigration?


Be careful what you wish. You might get it.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: fathertime on February 10, 2022, 08:58:58 PM

FT, I see bad habits don't change. It is thAn, not thEn.


I've been retired for 6 years and I make more now thAn when I was working.  :P

Hehe, old boy...I'll never get that right. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: fathertime on February 10, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
That's just the way it is. Somethings will never change. (on this list)


I'd love to see the massive deportation of all those "illegal" immigrants, specifically here in the US, and then watch the economy take a downward spiral. Actually, see the crops rot on the fields. Hotels close due to lack of staffing. Even the horse races come to an abrupt close. And on and on.


Why don't enforce the law? Or is it because big business has too much invested in cheap labor and they deploy their armies of lobbyists to stem the tide of "illegal" immigration?


Be careful what you wish. You might get it.

No chance of deporting any chunk of illegals.  The country would go down the old crapper.   Leaving millions in limbo has been the US solution and seems to keep most satisfied enough.   

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Jumper1 on February 10, 2022, 09:50:33 PM
That's just the way it is. Somethings will never change. (on this list)


I'd love to see the massive deportation of all those "illegal" immigrants, specifically here in the US, and then watch the economy take a downward spiral. Actually, see the crops rot on the fields. Hotels close due to lack of staffing. Even the horse races come to an abrupt close. And on and on.


Why don't enforce the law? Or is it because big business has too much invested in cheap labor and they deploy their armies of lobbyists to stem the tide of "illegal" immigration?


Be careful what you wish. You might get it.

Not saying you are not correct overall, nor am I taking the position all illegals should be deported.

I would say if you are unaware ,that there has been a widely used  and massive migrant worker program in place for decades ,and more than a fair share of fram product planting,care and harvesting you are referring in part  to is done by legal migrant workers.

To think a head of lettuce would suddenly double in cost if california deported illegals just isn’t the reality.

Now the hit of deporting millions certainly would be felt somewhere.
;)

A lot of Hotels have piles of rooms not in use for lack.of staffing now ,lots at play there.
🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 13, 2022, 04:10:09 PM
Sheer utter panic gripping in Ukraine now! Airlines are already cutting flights to & from Ukraine and some are grounding their aircraft that are there:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10508237/Airlines-begin-suspending-flights-Ukraine-amid-fears-invasion.html

That's going to make it all the harder to get out of Ukraine. It's reckoned the Russians could invade any minute but Wednesday onwards appears to be on the cards. No doubt now the roads and railways are getting clogged with all desperate to get out and a lot of queuing and tailbacks making progress to get out of Ukraine worse.

Personally if I were in Ukraine now my guess would be that the safer place would be to head to the region southwest of Lviv. It's the most remote part from Russia's army being the farthest distance they would have to travel from where they are currently surrounding Ukraine. There also doesn't seem to be a lot of much value over there, no cities bigger than Lviv and probably not of immediate strategic importance, some fields and mountains. From there it would be easy to head to the border once hostilities start and claim asylum.

My guess would be that Russia would pummel the Ukrainian Army into oblivion with missiles before moving forward and surrounding the big cities of Ukraine. From there they will probably wait and starve the city into submission. With large populations that probably won't take long a few days to a week or so at best. That way Putin will take the cities largely intact and deal with any insurgency as and when.

In any case it looks like those in Ukraine at the moment care largely stuck there as it's not going to be easy to leave in a hurry unless already in western Ukraine. 
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Jumper1 on February 13, 2022, 04:51:28 PM
The flights are far more likely canceled because the  airlines insurance carries decided to stop insuring those flights.

The insurance companies decisions were likely based on political pressures versus risk assessment.


Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on February 13, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
Sheer utter panic gripping in Ukraine now! Airlines are already cutting flights to & from Ukraine and some are grounding their aircraft that are there:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10508237/Airlines-begin-suspending-flights-Ukraine-amid-fears-invasion.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10508237/Airlines-begin-suspending-flights-Ukraine-amid-fears-invasion.html)

That's going to make it all the harder to get out of Ukraine. It's reckoned the Russians could invade any minute but Wednesday onwards appears to be on the cards. No doubt now the roads and railways are getting clogged with all desperate to get out and a lot of queuing and tailbacks making progress to get out of Ukraine worse.

Personally if I were in Ukraine now my guess would be that the safer place would be to head to the region southwest of Lviv. It's the most remote part from Russia's army being the farthest distance they would have to travel from where they are currently surrounding Ukraine. There also doesn't seem to be a lot of much value over there, no cities bigger than Lviv and probably not of immediate strategic importance, some fields and mountains. From there it would be easy to head to the border once hostilities start and claim asylum.

My guess would be that Russia would pummel the Ukrainian Army into oblivion with missiles before moving forward and surrounding the big cities of Ukraine. From there they will probably wait and starve the city into submission. With large populations that probably won't take long a few days to a week or so at best. That way Putin will take the cities largely intact and deal with any insurgency as and when.

In any case it looks like those in Ukraine at the moment care largely stuck there as it's not going to be easy to leave in a hurry unless already in western Ukraine.


No signs of sheer utter panic gripping Ukrainians in the news reports from Ukraine i've just watched on Sky News and the BBC.


People walking about in Kiev,some praying in a Church in Mariupol,whilst others in Mariupol.including a 78 year-old grandmother, were training in the use of AK47's to kill Russian troops with.


No sign of anyone running and screaming in fear....no sign of cars blocking the roads in their haste to flee in panic,nor people clinging to the undercarriage of aircraft in their desperation to get away.


Everyone looking very calm and determined..nope no panicking.


This is Ukraine..not Afghanistan.


These are Ukrainians we're talking about...they're a tough and mentally strong people..not like the LBGT obsessed Brits, with 25 % of adults and 10% of children  suffering from mental illness ,who need little excuse to flail about in blind panic,such as panic-buying toilet rolls because of a Pandemic,and/or queue up for hours at a petrol station to put in a £1's worth of petrol because they heard on the news a couple of  petrol stations throughout the country were running low  :rolleyes:


There's probably more panicking over here than in Ukraine.For instance i received a phone call early evening telling me the Germans have been supplying Russia with weapons,and later someone else told me that Biden announced tonight that USA troops were going to the Ukraine/Russia border with World War 111 imminent.


So i get home tonight and switch on the news to see what's going on and nope nothing...it's just Brits panicking again.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Chelseaboy on February 14, 2022, 06:09:26 AM
Sky reporter live from Dnipro,Ukraine....nope no signs of any panic today among Ukrainians as confirmed by her.


Everyone just going about their daily lives as normal she said.



Looks like Trench has caught the panicking Brits bug. :rolleyes:


Don't know what happened to us Brits..we used to be stiff upper lip tough guys..now we're a bunch of quivering wimps.


Even the Ukrainian President has asked the West to stop panicking and inflaming the situation..he doesn't want his own people infected by our hysteria.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 14, 2022, 06:58:35 AM
Sky reporter live from Dnipro,Ukraine....nope no signs of any panic today among Ukrainians as confirmed by her.


Everyone just going about their daily lives as normal she said.



Looks like Trench has caught the panicking Brits bug. :rolleyes:


Don't know what happened to us Brits..we used to be stiff upper lip tough guys..now we're a bunch of quivering wimps.


Even the Ukrainian President has asked the West to stop panicking and inflaming the situation..he doesn't want his own people infected by our hysteria.

Panicking is fun :) Ukrainians should really give it a try. Game is for everyone to rush around frantically trying to beat each other to the present commodity in demand. The ones who are cunning enough to get the commodity wins the ones that are too slow off the mark to get the commodity lose :D

Ok, now rules of the game explained are all Ukrainians out there ready to start panic buying, panic driving, panic rail commuting?

On your marks, get set, and go!!!

Last ones unable to get bum paper get pooey bums ;D
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Muzh on February 14, 2022, 09:44:35 AM

No signs of sheer utter panic gripping Ukrainians in the news reports from Ukraine i've just watched on Sky News and the BBC.



Reports of General Gerasimov devising plans to counteract the half million babushkas in eastern UA wielding pots and pans. "Very serious threat", he said.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on March 16, 2022, 05:56:22 PM

Reports of General Gerasimov devising plans to counteract the half million babushkas in eastern UA wielding pots and pans. "Very serious threat", he said.


(http://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/DSC7539.jpg?resize=1200%2C630)
Title: Soviet anti-plague system Protivochumnaya sistema
Post by: krimster2 on March 16, 2022, 06:08:10 PM
The Soviet anti-plague system Protivochumnaya sistema, allows you to use unrestricted biowarfare by enforcing stricter protocol on your own protected populace vrs your opponent's un-protected populace
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 13, 2023, 05:25:45 AM
Well central bank base rate is now 5.25 percent in both the US and the UK. Looking like a recession may be on the cards in both the US, the UK and elsewhere. Possibly the UK housing market may suffer a sharp downturn in trade possibly as soon as this Autumn. House prices here are said to have fallen around 10 percent in the last few months though that maybe more in London where house prices are way high.

Here discount chain Wilko have gone into administration with 12,000 jobs likely to go as I doubt a buyer will come forth as their stores are next to deserted. Not the biggest retail group around but a lot of jobs all the same. Odds are there could be other big job losses to come if the economy goes in a downward trend. These higher interest rates look like they are going to quese many consumers. Fortunately my house is all paid up for and my job reasonably steady. I want to move on from my job at some point but at the moment I'm staying put until my finances are sound.

How's things looking in the US?
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2023, 12:15:11 PM
here in Texas, post-Covid inflation has tapered off...
real estate prices in my area are slightly HIGHER than before Covid
I planned for this economy years ago...
bought income producing real estate, rents rise with inflation
and tax free
I can rent a foreclosed home, purchased in 2012 for $170,000 for $3000/month now

just spoke to relatives in Crimea
their situation is TERRIBLE because of the war
so besides Covid "inflatzie"
they got the war inflation as well

one of my relatives is a elementary school teacher with an education degree
her salary is 170,000 rubles per month = $180 US
she has to supplement her income doing various side-gigs
barely survives...
the longer the war goes on the worse the russian economy gets
a lotta people in Russia are near the "threshold" of being flat broke living a day-to-day existence...

these people are not "bumzhee"
they are educated hard working people

the Russian oligarchy depends on a supply of cheap Russian labor to prop up their position in the economy
the poorer the russians are, the more obediant, according to Russian political theory
and the poorer the people are, the richer the oligarchs
their fortunes are inversely proportioned

but who are poor Russians fighting for?
other poor Russians?
nyet
nyet

they all poor malchiky fightin for rich men "north of Moscva"
Karl Marx, he's either laughin or cryin right now
maybe both...

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 13, 2023, 09:44:06 PM
here in Texas, post-Covid inflation has tapered off...
real estate prices in my area are slightly HIGHER than before Covid
I planned for this economy years ago...
bought income producing real estate, rents rise with inflation
and tax free
I can rent a foreclosed home, purchased in 2012 for $170,000 for $3000/month now

just spoke to relatives in Crimea
their situation is TERRIBLE because of the war
so besides Covid "inflatzie"
they got the war inflation as well

one of my relatives is a elementary school teacher with an education degree
her salary is 170,000 rubles per month = $180 US
she has to supplement her income doing various side-gigs
barely survives...
the longer the war goes on the worse the russian economy gets
a lotta people in Russia are near the "threshold" of being flat broke living a day-to-day existence...

these people are not "bumzhee"
they are educated hard working people

the Russian oligarchy depends on a supply of cheap Russian labor to prop up their position in the economy
the poorer the russians are, the more obediant, according to Russian political theory
and the poorer the people are, the richer the oligarchs
their fortunes are inversely proportioned

but who are poor Russians fighting for?
other poor Russians?
nyet
nyet

they all poor malchiky fightin for rich men "north of Moscva"
Karl Marx, he's either laughin or cryin right now
maybe both...

Interesting stuff Krim. I saw online that inflation in Russia went up to 20 percent! At the start of the war but apparently now according to Google is just 3.3 percent although I guess  the damage has already been done. I see that it looks like Russia is using high interest rates to control inflation this year put up to 8.5 percent. Inflation high in Ukraine in June at 12.8 percent from a previous 15.3 percent in May so must be pretty hard going living there. Like you say if the hard working middle classes are only just getting by those right at the bottom must be suffering badly. Kind of glad I'm in merry ol' England and not in Russia or Ukraine.

Even still possibly a time to batten down the hatches in the west to weather an upcoming economic storm. I will likely hold of on expanding to any further development at the moment since any further development won't bring in money till complete and only sap my money and expose me to debt (mortgage) risk. For me the time is likely better spent saving up my money, getting money in from Lodgers as well as earnings and enjoying money coming in that way for a while. If I'm doing work on a place and seeing only negative figures flowing my way I'm not going to be a happy chappy.

With the economy so poor in Ukraine & Russia and can probably add Moldova to that list my best bet would probably be to get out there soon as women are likely to be more open minded to a stable guy from abroad. Not that I am looking on the basis of a woman that wants saving or her wanting me for economic reasons alone I get Daveman's point in this. More that I think women will be more open to breaking out of the mentality of focusing on guys closer to home so more opportunity.

I can set out the long term vision to the right woman and so long as I'm pretty sound economically one nicely presented small town house that is unmortgaged should be enough to convince many FSW in a country of economic disaster that I have what it takes to fulfill my dream at some point in the future.
Title: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on August 19, 2023, 09:38:52 AM
How about you other guys, is your nation likely to be economically well off enough in the next
few years so as to not be off concern moving there for FSW?

I have a new business pursuit, I am developing a reality television show of flat earthers racing
to find the edge of the world and all the various highjinx that are sure to ensue. The first team
to the edge wins a million dollars and every woman who goes topless gets an extra hundred
(limited to 5 per episode).

No overweight men or women (or people over 35) are allowed to compete.

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2023, 12:45:06 PM
I sold Russian platinum in dubai after I lost my covid travel fear

I used to laugh at Russians when I came back from the west
contrasting a western city vrs a russian one

until I went to Dubai
OMG! I was in shock
good thing I'm retired
or this would be my new HQ
also good that I learned basic arabic in Israel
that allowed me to meet "interesting people"
and pass myself off as Russian to them
good times...

you westerners need to see Dubai and then look at the downtown in an American city...
all the money for dubai came from here
why the massive, massive disparity
was it "zero sum" transfer, their gain is our loss, no, it wasn't
it's public wealth, vrs private wealth
this is another idea, whose time is coming, but still aways down the road
demographics say the "southern strategy" is gonna run out of steam soon
every year a couple of million young people turn 18 and vote
most of em ain't votin for oligarchs
oligarchs will do everything in their power to reduce democracy
for their own self-preservation

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Boethius on August 19, 2023, 12:50:58 PM
On principle, I would never live in a country which enforces Muslim laws.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
no problem being a "religious minority" in the emirates or the USA

for me, the emirate rules aren't much worse than living in a "dry county" in Texas that doesn't allow alchohol and enduring Christian rule (and harassment)
i'm not a drinker, but foreigners are allowed to drink in special bars that I didn't enter

the Emirates are more liberal than the saudis in all respects
attire rules don't apply unless you go to a mosque, etc
women wear shorts and uncovered heads in public with no problem there
and we coexisted with burquas

a lot more liberal and tolerant than any place i've been to in the USA, including california
I never saw a single piece of garbage in public
everything is the inverse of an American city
if MAGA republicans saw Dubai, they'd realize how stoopid their claim is of "Making Amerika Great"
while they're "Making It Poor" through their own greed
Russia and USA privitize profits, and transfer costs to the poor
Emirates puts a big portion of their wealth into the public space instead of ONLY privitzing it for the rich
it makes for an incredibly dramatic contrast





Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Boethius on August 19, 2023, 11:51:42 PM
I think it’s only surface tolerant. Unmarried couples can’t cohabitate. Gay sex is forbidden. It’s illegal to drink, eat, or smoke in public during Ramadan (this includes non Muslims).  The secret police have detained and tortured both citizens and foreigners. Human trafficking is tolerated by authorities, as its victims are foreigners. Abortion is illegal, punishable by up to five years in prison and 100 lashes. Flogging is a common punishment.

In my view, these are fine if that’s what the society wants. But it’s not comparable to the US, even evangelical areas.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2023, 07:03:52 AM
if I were going to live in the emirates, I'd get a "patron" like I did in Russia...
don't have to learn how to "cheat on your taxes" in the emirates
cuz there is no personal income tax there!!!

i'm used to all the "wacky" religious BS
I grew up with it, and learned how to deflect it
I understand the rules and when to ignore them and when not
never had any personal social problems other than minor annoyances whether from muslims, joos or christians while livin in "their" societies
i'm a chameleon who knows how to change color to reflect my environment

but this is not the lens you use to look at Dubai

there's no crime
there's no homeless
there's no rubbish stacked on the street
none of the stores or residences have steel bars over the windows
gummit doesn't try to take half the money you sweated for
and the opportunities are sky high there
if I wasn't retired, I'd move there in a second
only bad thing is the climate
but then again, it was 110 degrees in Kansas this week

global warming isn't real
cuz Trump won the election

and if you believe in Jesus, you will be protected from Covid
and so ya don't have to drink bleach

if I can live in THIS culture
everywhere else is a "piece of cake"

Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: Boethius on August 20, 2023, 10:09:23 AM
Even with “protection”, you’re not necessarily safe.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uae-arrests-crown-princes-adviser-sparking-fears-safety

The threat of lashing or severing the offending limb (which isn’t carried out in the UAE, but is on the books) is why crime is so low.

The other side-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2859734/The-Dubai-DON-T-want-tourists-Photos-desperate-conditions-endured-migrant-labourers-forced-work-50C-heat-pittance.html
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: 2tallbill on August 20, 2023, 11:24:56 AM
My new boomer business pursuit(s) 

I am using my Hollywood money to corner the pay phone market in Austin.
I can run the whole thing out of my VCR repair shop. I spend most of what
I take in on advertising (to grow my business) currently the Yellow pages 
advertisements have the best bang for the buck.
Title: Re: The Economic Situation Where You Are
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2023, 03:51:07 PM
police misconduct
sub-standard housing for poor "gasterbeiters"
that describes where I live in the USA a lot better than the emirates

in the USA a professional corporation is taxed at 35%
in UAE, it's ZERO
in Russia, if I file as an IT entrepreneur it's 10%
my Russian tax form took me 10 minutes to complete cuz I didn't understand some slovos

BO, I am just a simple country boy
who can only give ya a simple viewpoint
visually, the place is overwhelming
but I already got an apartment in Tel Aviv on AirBnB now that my kid's left
and don't need another place in the ME
it'd only be for "bizness" and I ain't got none now

i'm just an old geezer who works on his hobbies
who doesn't attract any attention whatsoever
eta pravda!
no siree! no need for the gummit to look at my harmless activities