Please Identify these Ladies

[mirror]

What;'s my "tampon" darrling which you have such interest in?

Elen,

be careful with a word "darling". The most of WM can be very aggressive after this word. The best to say "not darling"

[wiz]

Elen,

be careful with THE word "darling". The most of WM can be very aggressive after this word. The best to say "not darling"

And of course you are an expert in the use of that word………LOL 

Sorry but you have to be fluent in the English language to understand when, how and where is used and the real meaning in the context is used!

For example I say: Elen darling I love you and leave you!

Before Alison explained to you what exactly means this expression you always understood…… I was in love with Elen and she was my darling……..but all I simply said to her is:

Elen my dear friend is been nice talking to you and now I must go as I have something to do!

BTW the use of the expression “None of your business or Not your business” is very rude and aggressive and not many people on the board will show you the tolerance shown by Dan!

Please take the above as a friendly advice and not as an offence.


Scottin

Didn’t the same situation happened also last year?

Do you think it may be PMT? ……… LOL

[Elen]

What's "PMT"? Explain me please in clear and easy language as I see you are big specialist in this issue

[mirror]

BTW the use of the expression “None of your business or Not your business” is very rude and aggressive and not many people on the board will show you the tolerance shown by Dan!

OHH!! I can see you are able to understand when somebody wants to show rudeness.
When WM shoes his rudeness it is OK. But when you will receive a rudeness back ...OH!!! no...it is not right.
I hope I can remind it was me who tried to protects all of us from rudeness. If somebody could not  understand I should show similar rudeness in exact example.Now I hope it is clear that everybody is able to be rude if he hear rudeness.But we must keep some common rule - NO AGGRESSION and NO RUDENESS.

I think we all have the possibility to say ...sorry, friend, I find your words very rude to me. And we must accept that without any critisism because it is very sensitive and subjective impression.We must respect ( or to show a respect) each other despite of different opinions here.

[wiz]

OHH!! I can see you are able to understand when somebody wants to show rudeness.
When WM shoes his rudeness it is OK. But when you will receive a rudeness back ...OH!!! no...it is not right.
I hope I can remind it was me who tried to protects all of us from rudeness. If somebody could not  understand I should show similar rudeness in exact example.Now I hope it is clear that everybody is able to be rude if he hear rudeness.But we must keep some common rule - NO AGGRESSION and NO RUDENESS.

I think we all have the possibility to say ...sorry, friend, I find your words very rude to me. And we must accept that without any critisism because it is very sensitive and subjective impression.We must respect ( or to show a respect) each other despite of different opinions here.

May I remind you that it was me who teach you and helped you to improve your pigeon English to your current level, so don't try to teach me how to “suck eggs”! The pupil can not be better than the teacher!

I agree with you that is not necessary to use rudeness and aggression on the board and of course you can retaliate.

Has it occur to you that YOU ARE maybe the reason for such actions of other members on the board when they are feeling very frustrated  by your tactics,  NO TO ANSER A STRAIGHT QUESTION WITH A STRAIGHT ANSWER, ScottinCrimea told you that and many others, or they were ignored and YOU avoided to reply and come back to them with another question?

Mirror to Bruno today

I apologize for that. Yes, I have this habit. 

Mirror would say SORRY?

That is an insincere statement from you and a change in your attitude or tactics and an admission that I never ever seen or heard before.

Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind!

[wiz]

What's "PMT"? Explain me please in clear and easy language as I see you are big specialist in this issue

Many Doctors on the board why don't you ask them....LOL


In my Book: PMT stands for Painfull Mental Torture..... that we get from you!..LOL

[Elen]

Many Doctors on the board why don't you ask them....LOL


In my Book: PMT stnads for Painfull Mental Torture..... that we get from you!..LOL

Because it was YOUR argument So I wish to hear your explanation what is that thing which you use for your jokes. 


 Well I got it now and like I said in other thread some people were just masoxists or they would not such like to   нарываться on that  PMT with their silly jokes  and their endless accusations and blaming other part for not getting those jokes of their 

[wiz]

Because it was YOUR argument So I wish to hear your explanation what is that thing which you use for your jokes. 

Well I got it now and like I said in other thread some people were just masoxists or they would not such like to   нарываться on that  PMT with their silly jokes  and their endless accusations and blaming other part for not getting those jokes of their 

Elen

If you really want to improve your English or to have better understanding of the various expressions or Jokes here I am very happy to try to explain and answer to you.

As I am most of the day on line you can use direct communication for instant answers with a messenger. I have MSN, ICQ or Yahoo or direct email and can let you have my address. Just PM me.

I will be delighted to help as much as I can.

[Elen]

No I don't want to improve my English for better understanding jokes about women's ages and appearances. Thank for offer but I don't; want to damage my manners such badly - those two subjects are just forbidden targets for jokes whatever language  people use and however perfect they could speak at language    ( Also  have no wish to improve my English for better understanding jokes about "tampons" )

If seriously don't expect me asking you any questions. My problem with English is that I can't see my own mistakes So there could not be questions from my side but only correction of my mistakes (which I repeat time after time)  making by your own initiative.

[mirror]

May I remind you that it was me who teach you and helped you to improve your pigeon English to your current level, so don't try to teach me how to “suck eggs”! The pupil can not be better than the teacher!

Sorry...I am able to learn from anybody and from books also.It is nothing with you. You were not my teacher.I didn't ask you to teach me...it was you who wanted to communicate with me. And I could write english good enough before our meeting. 

Has it occur to you that YOU ARE maybe the reason for such actions of other members on the board when they are feeling very frustrated  by your tactics,  NO TO ANSER A STRAIGHT QUESTION WITH A STRAIGHT ANSWER, ScottinCrimea told you that and many others, or they were ignored and YOU avoided to reply and come back to them with another question?

It was you who showed Sofia from bad sides all the time in your "famous" writing.And only after that I had these all problems with members.And I said you thank you for that already many days ago. You tried to put a lot of mud at my head and you were very succesful. It is easy to black somebody and it is very hard to clean all this sh..t. But I try because I respect myself and I don't let somebody to slander me.Yes, it is very hard job but I will do that always.
My life is my life.Don't teach me how to live. If you can not understand my answer it is not my foult.If I ignore something you never can press me to do that. I said you that many times by conversations.If you are not able to understand...where is my problem? 

Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind!

sorry...I didn't understand your sarcasm. I think it is special humor for your Western friends- a play to public.

[jb]

I'm sure glad my RWife has a sense of humor,,, I'm afraid the newbie reading this will think the average RW has no humor or the ability to laugh at herself.

Note to the new readers;  Elen and Sofia are not your typical Russian.

[mirror]

I'm sure glad my RWife has a sense of humor,,, I'm afraid the newbie reading this will think the average RW has no humor or the ability to laugh at herself.

Note to the new readers;  Elen and Sofia are not your typical Russian.

It is really strange comment. I don't know where I must laugh.For sure you like to laugh at yourself.

[Elen]

I'm sure glad my RWife has a sense of humor,,, I'm afraid the newbie reading this will think the average RW has no humor or the ability to laugh at herself.

Note to the new readers;  Elen and Sofia are not your typical Russian.

To your inform to laugh at yourself is not the same to laughing at somebody else You fail to get the difference.

Also I'm glad to inform you that this PARTICULAR picture was at the antidate forum as well and nobody had complains because it was indeed a laughing at ourselves But when the same is done by males who clear have "special" not friendly attitude to women they are having fun at then it's a different case already


As for your wife JB then we do know you used to brag about her good manners But those good manners hardly include making jokes about other's people ages, looks and jokes about tampons. Or you have rather odd and different to my ideas about what good manners mean. Nothing to do with a sence of humor

[jb]

Elen,

It has everything to do with humor.  The picture was obviously contrived.  It was posed and composed, most probably by a Russian man who has a well developed sense of humor, you state that women on anti-date laughed about it,,, and now you are angry that a group of American men also find humor in it.

I find your position in this extremely narrow and purposely argumentative.  In other words, trollish. 

[Elen]

Look can't you REALLY  get such simple idea that people are free to choose a target for making laugh only in a case when they make laugh about themselves ( or about people who they are so familiar with and so close to that they know for sure how exactly doubtful joke would be taken)

  In all other cases a choice of target for laugh must be picked up more carefully ( especially if a target for your joke is women and especially if you shown not friendly attitude  to them before In this case you can't count  your joke would be understood in right way.


 If Cator just posted the pic there would not be any trouble But he chosed to "improve" a humor with picking particular names. THAT changed everything.

 Truth tell I don't think that Gator really counted that I would find this funny. Most probably he didn't think ( or didn't care) at all how I would take his joke All he wanted was a laugh for himself and for his buddies. That all Such innocent  wish

 If you can't get what I'm "trolling" here about then let go to your wife who posses highly good manner and ask her to explain you such basing thing about making jokes about other people .

[catzenmouse]

Sorry for my delay in responding. Life and responsibilities take time away from what is most important in the world. Namely RWD! 

When you wrote this I thought that this was a great step towards really trying to find some understanding and commonality in our community. I also thought, now I think mistakenly, that you were being honest in this offer of having an "open mind". From what I have read here in this thread. There was no attempt at keeping an open mind and trying to understand or learn about the difference in what was intended and how you reacted to it.

I'm ready with open mind to see your explanation what exactly were humore here, what exactly were sarcasm and the most interesting part what exactly were truth

Hope you would find a time to clarify that ( as Gator "suddenly" became too busy to do that  )

 The humor and the truth that I saw was that the picture reminded me (which I mentioned in another post) about how you never know who you are writing to via the internet.

 The sarcasm was that this picture also reminded me of how some create a "gang" mentality to crucify someone else that they have deemed to be "a bad person" and who feed off of the negativity and even the hate they feel for others and/or themselves.

It's not about different metalities at all It;s about good manneras and personal attitude to those " who we don't like"

Why did you not say the same thing to the AD ladies who posted here. I saw very little of "good manners" in their posts and mostly just a whole lot of "personal attitude to those we don't like" instead.

The difference - I think it's a saying in Russia that every joke has an element of truth.  But that's not always true for us. What makes this funny is that there is obviously zero element of truth. It's a different style of humor.  The next phase in the 'joke' would be for Ellen or Kvinna to post a picture of "Gator" and then someone else, etc etc, and we all get a good laugh from "ribbing" or "roasting" each other..  I've been "roasted" this way many times by females at work, or on different boards.  I can't imagine any offense was actually intended.

Daveman said it very well here and there should, again in my opinion, have been no more need for explanation. Many Westerners enjoy and participate in humor directed at themselves. If they make a joke about another person they fully expect for that person to take the initiative to return the joke back on them.

What it looks like to me is that some members here look very hard for ANYTHING that they can minutely consider to be an insult to them and turn it into a reason to attack the poster, the community, RWD in general, and in the end any Western man.

Is it any wonder that many of these same Western men do not care to continue to be considerate to those others who continue to show that they have a hidden agenda based on negativity, anger, and hatred for Western men and/or men in general?

But never mind  I don;t count at any apologises from such kind nation like Americans ( anyway they would be just their famous hypocrisy I  just made a not in my long term memory  Roll Eyes that's all

 Gator made what was, still only my opinion, a sincere and heartfelt apology to everyone who was offended by this. You have chosen to not accept it. That shows more about you than it does about any slight or misplaced humor on Gator or anyone else who found it to be humorous.

 I personally find it rather sad that he put this much effort into such a small slight as a few posts and a picture when the perpetrator of a long lasting duality with lots of insincerity and lies involved gave this community a couple of sentences of what I, and many others as well, saw as a brush off apology which had every appearance of being forced by her fiance with absolutely no sincerity to it whatsoever.

Повторяю для американских тупиц, которые претендуют на юмористов - сарказм по поводу возраста и внешности мало знакомой вам женщины не приемлем в России ( и я подозреваю в Америке тоже.)
 В следующий раз, если у кого возникнет недержание юмора, используйте для его демонстрации собственных подружек и жен почетных местных членов  - бабушек среди них предостаточно для этих целей.

 Now we are basically called dullards or stupid. Again there was no open mindedness in learning or understanding. And do you not joke with your family? Even sometimes about your family? If you do not then you are perhaps the only person in the world who has not made a joke about your family.

It was sarcasm but not name calling you should learn to understand it and not take offences about it

 Is that not what we asked you to do? This is a very good example of simple stubborn behavior. Something we saw a lot of recently by others who would not accept anything that was said to them and would turn everything around to suit their own personal agendas.

NOTE: Just finished reading the latest couple of pages.

 I was going to continue to respond but this thread has gone on too long and now we are back to arguing over "the dilemma" again I will just cut my answers off here and let you all continue to bicker back and forth. I do not have the time or energy or for that matter the interest to try to make any more sense of this continued nonsense.

Ken

P. S. JB, AMEN!

[Elen]

Well Where is a part of understanding about my feeling which I got  because of my culture settings in your such loooong post 
 I saw only claims to me (What was posted before that was an attempt to prove me my culture ideas about such jokes were just  "wrong".

About SINSERE apologies I repeat once more - discussion which has made AFTER those apologises ( not by Gator but by all of you) made his sinsere apologises look just like PC action. Because sinsere apologises mean UNDERSATNDIG that you have done someting wrong ( BTW it was not only Gator who I "balmed" here but all others who had a fun and who failed to see that it was not a fun for me. )  But if you continue to prove it was I who was wrong then what for your so called sinsere apologises .

[jb]

FWIW, I showed the picture to my wife and she about died laughing and saw no harm in AM laughing at Russian humor.  She did state the picture was a very sophisticated form of Russian humor and many American men might not appreciate the incongruity of it.  However she did not find the picture humiliating to Russian women at all, nor did she find it offensive that we might get a chuckle out of it.

I really think Elen is off base here and the fact that the thread has rambled on so long even after an apology was extended shows the true nature of the offended.

[Elen]

Jb did you tell her the whole story that you used that pic to make a fun about particular women?
 I too see nothing wrong with that funny pic itself.  I see wrong with using our names to make a fun about that pic. I still didn't get explanation what was a need  and purpose to mention our names. Is it any?


As for apologise then it was all of you who continued with this thread AFTER those apologises. Still didn't get where problem was? 

 I have an urge to use Russian word to express my feeling about such "UNDERSTANDING" you all demonstrate here But Scott in Crimea forbids me to use Russian language in such situations

[jb]

The very fact that anyone was sooooooo offended that someone might think (not seriously) in jest that this was a picture of the anti-date women was even funnier, and suggests there might be a bit of truth to the idea.   The continued uproar over this makes us think even harder about what the anti-date woman might be like. 

About one more such inflamatory post from Elen and she joins mirror and kivanna on my ignore list.

[Elen]

Yes not understanding your silly jokes made personally about us was indeed only or fault. So sinsere apologises have been made for nothing and you may take them back - we don;t deserve them at all.

 And yes put me at your ignore buttom I would feel much better when I will be spared from your smart attempt to make a fun about me which I can't get with my wrong sense of humor

( Enough sarcasm for your fun or you want more? ) 

[jb]

Somehow the ignore button just pushes itself.

[Elen]

fine

[Daveman]

Well Where is a part of understanding about my feeling which I got  because of my culture settings

It was a bad joke because it named actual names of women which appeared to make fun of these individual women's age and appearance.  If he would have said "guys, here's the antidate ladies reading our trip reports" it would be okay... I think.. because no actual names would be mentioned in that case.

Making a joke which appears to make fun about someone's age and appearance is rude and not good humor.  It is offensive in the Russian culture, and can be hurtful to a woman (really to a woman of any culture).  This is what offended you.

We are responsible for the effect of our jokes.  We should think ahead before we make a joke to understand how this joke can hurt another's feelings.   

This is what I understood from all of this and it makes sense, and I'll remember it in my future dealings with RW. 


Is this correct or not?

Dave

[KenC]

Gator,
Thanks for the laugh!  TFF!

Elen,
Go find yourself a sense of humor!

I have noticed over the last few months that this forum has taken a turn (not for the better) since the AD mob has infiltrated our board.  Now we are too afraid to post anything that may be subjected to their unreasonable scrutiny.  My God, this forum was created to help guys in the pursuit of RW and we are now too afraid to even mention sex.  If a new member asks a question regarding sex, we are quick to assume he is gong to be a sex tourist and follow the AD agenda to rake him over the coals.  Jeez, I always thought sex was a part of the dating process and now we are too paranoid to even admit we took condoms to the fsu?  (I packed 2 boxes for my first trip! BTW)

Guys, don't let AD change this forum so much as to not post what you want to post!  If Elen cannot accept Gators humor in the sense it was intended, then it is HER problem, not ours.  As I have always said. "Phuck em if they cannot take a joke!"
KenC