Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Trip Reports => Topic started by: Dell on November 02, 2017, 08:40:40 AM
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Back home from my second trip in Ukraine. I spent two days in Dnepropetrovsk, and nine days in Kharkov. The first leg of the trip I meet up with SW, a very beautiful, funny, and carring woman. I had been communicating with her for a little while. We sent to days together after the second day, I was ready to move on, as there was no chemistry. She took me to the bus station and helped me buy a ticket to Kharkov. So I gave SW a hug and said goodbye, and headed off to Kharkov. So I activated accounts on Ukraine Date and Fdating, and started sending out messages. While I was waiting for responses, I contacted a person that gives introductions in Kharkov. Now I'm not going to blast anyones real name on this site, but I will share my experience.
I'm going to call this person KH. I will say this; I did contact this person very last minute.
When I arrived and got situated in my apartment, KH came over to talk with me about they kind of woman I am interested in meeting. I explained I want to only meet four women at first, after that we will see if I would like to move forward with more introductions. After our meeting KH emailed me some woman and we setup meetings with all four. My conclusion after meet all four women and going on a date with one of the ladies I was introduced to, I realized I was meeting KHs friends. I goggled one of the woman that I meet through KH and she came up on a scam site. I don't think this woman was a scammer in that she would try to get money from you, but she was more of a pro-dater, also a friend of KH. During this KH would start to add in other fees that I thought should have been discussed beforehand; i.e. as I was being dropped off from a meeting, I was told you owe me $20 for pickup and drop off. I understand that nothing is for free in this world, but that's fucking ridiculous. A taxi would have cost me $4 to make the same trip. After the four introductions I had paid for, I told KH thanks, but I would no longer need your services. I would like to warn users on this forum, if someone is recommending a person that can introduce you to good woman, and they have not used this service before, don't listen to them!
This whole situation actually got me a little bummed, and didn't feel like meeting anyone else on this trip. Plus on top of all this, I received and email two day after arriving in Ukraine that my flight back home had been canceled, and it could take up to thirty days to receive my refund.
To be continued.
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Sorry your trip turned out so bad. I would think that you should most definitely post this woman who introduced you to her friend's name here. This will at least give others who are looking the option of whether or not to proceed with using her services. After all, this was your experience.
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Sorry your trip turned out so bad. I would think that you should most definitely post this woman who introduced you to her friend's name here. This will at least give others who are looking the option of whether or not to proceed with using her services. After all, this was your experience.
Thanks Hammer... I did end up meeting someone through Fdating. We were only able to meet for dinner twice and lunch once as she was working everyday. So we didn't get a lot of time together. We are talking through viber and will be Skye this weekend. We'll see how it goes.
I think everyone should just stick to the recommend sites on the forum and they will be good.
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Dell, your experience is not bad, because you are alive after this adventure.
But it seems you are not profi in dating. And you want to meet a lot of women. For what?
Do you think that to scan all this army of women it is very easy task ?
Even you are good psychologist, it is not easy emotionally.
Maybe it is better to find 1 women or several, and first communicate by scype, by mail, by viber or whatsApp. Haste is inappropriate here.
Chemistry you can check even by scype, when you see person and listen voice :).
And only then spend time, money and nerves :).
It is unreasonable to communicate with strangers in a foreign country, especially on the issue of dating. You need understand that you are for them - source of profit. I hope, you understand what I mean.
I wish you wonderful next meeting.
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Dell, your experience is not bad, because you are alive after this adventure.
But it seems you are not profi in dating. And you want to meet a lot of women. For what?
Do you think that to scan all this army of women it is very easy task ?
Even you are good psychologist, it is not easy emotionally.
Maybe it is better to find 1 women or several, and first communicate by scype, by mail, by viber or whatsApp. Haste is inappropriate here.
Chemistry you can check even by scype, when you see person and listen voice :).
And only then spend time, money and nerves :).
It is unreasonable to communicate with strangers in a foreign country, especially on the issue of dating. You need understand that you are for them - source of profit. I hope, you understand what I mean.
I wish you wonderful next meeting.
This is not an easy task, I know this. I will keep making these trips till I find the right one. Each trip I'm learning and gaining experience.
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Dell, your experience is not bad, because you are alive after this adventure.
But it seems you are not profi in dating. And you want to meet a lot of women. For what?
Do you think that to scan all this army of women it is very easy task ?
Even you are good psychologist, it is not easy emotionally.
Maybe it is better to find 1 women or several, and first communicate by scype, by mail, by viber or whatsApp. Haste is inappropriate here.
Chemistry you can check even by scype, when you see person and listen voice :) .
And only then spend time, money and nerves :) .
It is unreasonable to communicate with strangers in a foreign country, especially on the issue of dating. You need understand that you are for them - source of profit. I hope, you understand what I mean.
I wish you wonderful next meeting.
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That was very insightful and logical. I also like the way you presented your point of view. However, just so you know, what the OP did in his trip is exactly what the majority of posters in this forum advises men do when their original point of interest doesn't work out.
They call this *back-up plan*. You know, the proverbial *Plan B*. It's suppose to *economize* their time and money while boosting their chances of *finding a wife*. Right or wrong, agree or disagree with it, it is a prevalent mindset in the MOB. I've often question what it would be like asking someone's wife how she feels knowing she's not the reason why the man/husband went to FSU in the first place, and that she's actually a *back-up plan* to save the trip/money.
People really are just different, I guess.
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Dell, you should name this person in Kharkov. It would help newbies to stay away. I was warned by some here to not use her "services." Don't blindly listen to recommendations on this forum, especially when guys here recommend someone who they hadn't used or even met in person.
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I don't think the $20 is off base. You are paying for that guide's time as well as the ride.
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They call this *back-up plan*.
This "back-up'' can be destiny or tragedy.
So, it is better to think about own safety and comfort.
I want write story, maybe it can be usefull for some men, because it is opinion of women. It is other side of medal :).
Russian woman communicated with american man several days and he said, that he wants to meet. She thought: "He is not serious? Why so fast?” But she agreed.
He was preparing a visa, looking for the most convenient variant of the flight.
She searched for him an apartment. She wanted to find most comfortable: in the center of the city (because he will be first time in her city, and all need be near); with good price (why he need pay a lot of for nothing?); with good bed (he should rest well at night, and after tiring long trip too) and so on…
When she found an interesting flat, she showed it to him. He said: "Ok" and she
went to look that apartment. She was disappointed and was looking again.
Finally she found good option.
Then she thought, what interesting she can show him in the city and in the region. He will come to meet her, but he need have nice time.
One day she saied:
-If you want, I will show my passport to you :D. No, 2 passports: russian and foreign :D. So you will be sure, that this woman is not swindler.
-Why you say this?
-It is your first trip to my crazy country :D. I want you be calm.
He laughed…
The plane landed. He came, but his luggage was still in Moscow.
This often happens when a small docking between flights.
He was absolutly calm-wonderful man. She was nervous. But again it was her task to organize all, because he does not know russian and in this wonderful country even in airport not all workers know English.
She ordered a taxi…They spent 14 wonderful days. He was very glad and really liked this crazy country.
This man made all correctly, so his trip was so nice. And he is not profy in international dating.
But he carefully studied a woman during virtual communication.
So he was not disappointed and did not waste his time for nothing.
If man family-oriented, if he respect himself, he necessarily will find right woman, even he will be separated with first good woman, next will be better.
Be very attentive in communication. It helps to understand concrete woman.
Divorce statistics in international marriages are disappointing. Why it takes place?
Because men and women hurry to grab the first partner, who is so-so suitable.
"So-so" does not mean "right".
Do not hurry and you will find woman, who will be wonderful only for you :).
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Dell, you should name this person in Kharkov. It would help newbies to stay away. I was warned by some here to not use her "services." Don't blindly listen to recommendations on this forum, especially when guys here recommend someone who they hadn't used or even met in person.
I think if newbies do their research and listen to people on this forum, they will be fine. They should understand though, never use an introduction service. Always use the recommended sites on this forum. I don't care how experienced a member is, or even if he found a wife, people should not recommend a service they have never used.
I don't think the $20 is off base. You are paying for that guide's time as well as the ride.
I think it was excessive for the distance traveled. What bothered me the most was KH acted like this service was included in the introduction cost. It wasn't until after I used this service that cost was told to me. KH should have explained the cost beforehand, so I could choose if I wanted to use or not.
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This "back-up'' can be destiny or tragedy.
So, it is better to think about own safety and comfort.
But he carefully studied a woman during virtual communication.
So he was not disappointed and did not waste his time for nothing.
If man family-oriented, if he respect himself, he necessarily will find right woman, even he will be separated with first good woman, next will be better.
Be very attentive in communication. It helps to understand concrete woman.
Divorce statistics in international marriages are disappointing. Why it takes place?
Because men and women hurry to grab the first partner, who is so-so suitable.
"So-so" does not mean "right".
Do not hurry and you will find woman, who will be wonderful only for you :).
I think you make some great points in your comment! :)
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Be very attentive in communication. It helps to understand concrete woman.
This is true. Some men are good at understanding women when they talk to them. Other men can not tell the difference between good women and bad. As you read more at this forum, you will understand too many men visit bad women. Those men didn't understand the ladies they were talking to during communications.
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This "back-up'' can be destiny or tragedy.
So, it is better to think about own safety and comfort.
This man made all correctly, so his trip was so nice. And he is not profy in international dating.
But he carefully studied a woman during virtual communication.
So he was not disappointed and did not waste his time for nothing.
If man family-oriented, if he respect himself, he necessarily will find right woman, even he will be separated with first good woman, next will be better.
Be very attentive in communication. It helps to understand concrete woman.
Divorce statistics in international marriages are disappointing. Why it takes place?
Because men and women hurry to grab the first partner, who is so-so suitable.
"So-so" does not mean "right".
Do not hurry and you will find woman, who will be wonderful only for you :).
This exactly! People need to carefully screen their potential women before they even attempt any visits! Ideally, by the time you board a plane, there must no longer be any doubts still lingering in the back of your mind about your prospect (potential wife). Otherwise, what's the whole point of this venture?
Obviously we are always afraid of killing off attraction but we should not be afraid to talk of things that may be important to us (eg. whether a girl is willing to move, have kids, etc) and keep the "interview" going till satisfied. There are millions of fsu women and individually, we only need one.
On the flip side though, there were women who asked for my monthly income very early into the conversation and that was an instant turn-off! :wallbash: :-\
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On the flip side though, there were women who asked for my monthly income very early into the conversation and that was an instant turn-off! :wallbash: :-\
Gross: pretty comfortable :usd: :thumbsup:
Nett: roughly zero! :ROFL:
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This is true. Some men are good at understanding women when they talk to them. Other men can not tell the difference between good women and bad. As you read more at this forum, you will understand too many men visit bad women. Those men didn't understand the ladies they were talking to during communications.
Everything is correct :).
I use "right person" or "not right person". The same woman can be wonderful for one man, and can be horrible for another man.
And we can't say that she is bad or good.
Nature of man - action. So they try to meet. They like pictures of woman, they like her words, maybe her hobbies. They feel, that woman is attractive and sexy. It is enough for them.
It woul be better to ask more questions about her life, about her attitude to men and to situation in her country.
If women say, that men are bad, that all in her life is horrible, it means that she can not make relations.
She needs to clean her brain first and to change her attitude to men and to life.
I have 1 girlfriend. She is nice woman and interesting person.
But she can not find her man.
One day she asked me:
-Say me, why I am alone?
-Because you do not accept men. You do not love them.
-No, I accept.
-Every time, when you meet man, you say the same :"He is stupid, he is frivolous, he is not self-sufficient, this one is afraid of responsibility and so on".
Try to find something good in them.
But she can not. If you communicate with woman and she say only about "dark", do not waste your time.
Walk straight.
A lot of women want country, but not men.
They are very interested in financial situation of man, and absolutly not interested in his family, relatives, his hobbies. They do not ask, what he likes to eat, when he goes to sleep and when he prefer to waik up.
All these small things are very important, because they make up life.
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Obviously we are always afraid of killing off attraction but we should not be afraid to talk of things that may be important to us (eg. whether a girl is willing to move, have kids, etc) and keep the "interview" going till satisfied. There are millions of fsu women and individually, we only need one.
On the flip side though, there were women who asked for my monthly income very early into the conversation and that was an instant turn-off! :wallbash: :-\
Do not afraid to kiil off attraction :).
Your woman NEVER will go away.
Woman, who is attuned to a serious relationship ALWAYS makes all to improve communication.
And after first meeting she makes all to improve relations.
She is interested in life of man always.
About money.
I know a lot of real russian women, who support their men ( I mean russian families and international families).
Man biological-he can be ill, he may lose his job. So woman need support family. It is normal. Who said, that salary of man need be more, than salary of woman?
When you communicate, one day you can ask:" If we will live together, what do you want to do? Which activity? How you imagine our life together. What do you prefet to do?"
Maybe she wants to work, to be at home and create comfort for family.
Each couple is individual. Age is important too.
And you will say your opinion, how you imagine life together.
To understend woman, you need ask her point of view, her desires.
And be sure, you can find in her very interesting points, or you will understand, that she is not for you.
One interesting woman saied:"Men play deyting, as in poker. This requires a little skill and a lot of luck". I like this phrase.
But my opinion is different.
To be a prize winner, you need a great skill.
Clear goal and continuous action.
PS I wrote that long poem :) for family-oriented men.
If man wants meetings from time to time (guest marriage)-it is other story.
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Isn't it great to have more ladies contributing and offering THEIR perspectives?
:cheesy:
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Yes. Why not, if it is your choice? :D :D :D.
You can send this to woman, if you like her very much :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lMPs--cGd8
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On the flip side though, there were women who asked for my monthly income very early into the conversation and that was an instant turn-off! :wallbash: :-\
Women have the right to learn if a guy can support a family before they waste too much time on him.
A better way for the lady to put the question is to ask what kind of job you do and how long you've done it. She should be smart enough o figure out what your income is in your country based off what you do.
I never disclose how much I make to women. I do tell them I live a normal life in America and I can support a family. That scares off gold diggers but not women who are looking to create a family.
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Kyn,
Yes our BillyB is married and does have a strange habit of writing as if he still likes to write to ladies .....
BillyB - does your Wife know what you earn ?
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BillyB - does your Wife know what you earn ?
A serious question deserves a serious answer. My wife doesn't know how much I earn. I am as much a stranger to her now as when we first met. I also lock her in the house, she can't have friends and she's not allowed to use internet. She has no problem attracting men but she decided to stay with me 6 years because she enjoys the fact I don't share things with her and loves the treatment I give her. I think my marriage will last a lifetime because she and I are happy with the program I administer.
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A serious question deserves a serious answer. My wife doesn't know how much I earn. I am as much a stranger to her now as when we first met. I also lock her in the house, she can't have friends and she's not allowed to use internet. She has no problem attracting men but she decided to stay with me 6 years because she enjoys the fact I don't share things with her and loves the treatment I give her. I think my marriage will last a lifetime because she and I are happy with the program I administer.
AHHH -- now I understand your empathy and connection with Trenchcoat.
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On the flip side though, there were women who asked for my monthly income very early into the conversation and that was an instant turn-off! :wallbash: :-\
In the beginning of communications with FSW, I always tell them what I do for a living and the kind of lifestyle that I live. Like BillyB said from this, they can ascertain about how much money you make. I've only had one woman ever asks me how much money I made for a living though.
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Everything is correct :).
I use "right person" or "not right person". The same woman can be wonderful for one man, and can be horrible for another man.
And we can't say that she is bad or good.
Nature of man - action. So they try to meet. They like pictures of woman, they like her words, maybe her hobbies. They feel, that woman is attractive and sexy. It is enough for them.
It woul be better to ask more questions about her life, about her attitude to men and to situation in her country.
If women say, that men are bad, that all in her life is horrible, it means that she can not make relations.
She needs to clean her brain first and to change her attitude to men and to life.
I have 1 girlfriend. She is nice woman and interesting person.
But she can not find her man.
One day she asked me:
-Say me, why I am alone?
-Because you do not accept men. You do not love them.
-No, I accept.
-Every time, when you meet man, you say the same :"He is stupid, he is frivolous, he is not self-sufficient, this one is afraid of responsibility and so on".
Try to find something good in them.
But she can not. If you communicate with woman and she say only about "dark", do not waste your time.
Walk straight.
A lot of women want country, but not men.
They are very interested in financial situation of man, and absolutly not interested in his family, relatives, his hobbies. They do not ask, what he likes to eat, when he goes to sleep and when he prefer to waik up.
All these small things are very important, because they make up life.
It's nice to hear a woman's perspective on this forum. Thanks for contributing.
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Like BillyB said from this, they can ascertain about how much money you make.
How they'll know that $2000 per month is a poverty here? ;)
It's no matter how much money you make... husband files six numbers amount every year... but where're all that damn money? 8)
Btw, for many Russian women your lifestyle will be downshifting, but they'll recognize that only after marriage.
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Isn't it great to have more ladies contributing and offering THEIR perspectives?
Especially when they are pouring honey all around :P
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How they'll know that $2000 per month is a poverty here? ;)
It's no matter how much money you make... husband files six numbers amount every year... but where're all that damn money? 8)
Btw, for many Russian women your lifestyle will be downshifting, but they'll recognize that only after marriage.
Whose making $2000 a month, and this is poverty where? Why would anyones lifestyle downshift?
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Whose making $2000 a month, and this is poverty where? Why would anyones lifestyle downshift?
If I remember correctly , $24000 per year is a minimum for K1 petition. For Ukraine it is a lot of money, but not for US. Downshifting means that the woman can't afford many things she had before in her country (I don't mean diamonds and brends).
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If I remember correctly , $24000 per year is a minimum for K1 petition. For Ukraine it is a lot of money, but not for US. Downshifting means that the woman can't afford many things she had before in her country (I don't mean diamonds and brends).
I don't think people that are pursuing this endevor are in that finacal bracket. I know the meaning of downshifting. :)
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If I remember correctly , $24000 per year is a minimum for K1 petition. For Ukraine it is a lot of money, but not for US. Downshifting means that the woman can't afford many things she had before in her country (I don't mean diamonds and brends).
K-1 minimums are $16,240 for the visa, $20,300 for visa and green card.
http://www.k1approved.com/k1-visa-tips/fiance-visa-income-requirements/
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How they'll know that $2000 per month is a poverty here? ;)
$2000 a month feels like poverty because you live in the Seattle area where cost of living is skyrocketing thanks to local government interference.
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Hello dell.Is that woman M.L in kharkov?because i had a similar experience.
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Hello dell.Is that woman M.L in kharkov?because i had a similar experience.
More than likely, that is who it is. We have had several men state this same experience as well.
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I don't think people that are pursuing this endevor are in that finacal bracket. I know the meaning of downshifting. :)
And I know of a man ,mid 40's that had to have his father sponsor his wife as he doesn't meet the requirements.
Insult to injury, he has been back in the fsu wooing another woman, without telling his current wife.
She ,suspected something, and he has finally come clean that his plans are to divorce her and marry the new one.
That kind of stuff goes on way more than you think.
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he has been back in the fsu wooing another woman, without telling his current wife.
I guess his father can afford to sponsor more than one daughter in law?
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Hi Hammer2722.The sad thing is while a guy ''advertised'' M.L. in this forum (that's how i found about her)nobody who knew warned us.
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Hello dell.Is that woman M.L in kharkov?because i had a similar experience.
Osis, If someone takes the time to read this forum, it's not hard to figure out who's offering introduction services in Kharkov. Everyone should avoid anyone that offers introductions to FSW, stick with the website that is suggested on this forum and you will be alright. For me, I didn't waste a lot of money on KH services and it was a good learning experience for me. Mainly of what not to do, and what to watch out for in the future.
And I know of a man ,mid 40's that had to have his father sponsor his wife as he doesn't meet the requirements.
Insult to injury, he has been back in the fsu wooing another woman, without telling his current wife.
She ,suspected something, and he has finally come clean that his plans are to divorce her and marry the new one.
That kind of stuff goes on way more than you think.
This just goes to show you can find a good that wants to with you even if you make a little amount of money. :)
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Hi Hammer2722.The sad thing is while a guy ''advertised'' M.L. in this forum (that's how i found about her)nobody who knew warned us.
So, you used her services and you haven't said much about your experience. Why? Are you warning anyone? Perhaps you and Dell should write in detail about your experiences so others in future will know. I was warned privately by multiple people that she is a scammer.
Don't take what you read on this forum as gospel. Think for yourself.
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So, you used her services and you haven't said much about your experience. Why? Are you warning anyone? Perhaps you and Dell should write in detail about your experiences so others in future will know. I was warned privately by multiple people that she is a scammer.
Don't take what you read on this forum as gospel. Think for yourself.
Wallm, I stated my expereince with KH services in my first post. Did you not read it!
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Wallm, I stated my expereince with KH services in my first post. Did you not read it!
Yes, I read it. You think that is useful to newcomers in the future? You didn't name the scammer. What are you afraid of? Do the newcomers have to read through thousands of posts to figure out who that is?
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Yes, I read it. You think that is useful to newcomers in the future? You didn't name the scammer. What are you afraid of? Do the newcomers have to read through thousands of posts to figure out who that is?
I clearly stated in my initial post that everyone should avoid introduction services and here's why. It doesn't matter if it's in Kharkov or Moscow... don't use them they're not worth it in my experience. If they stick to the list of websites that is suggested on the forum they will be fine. I think this should be stated on the starting out page. http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
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So, you used her services and you haven't said much about your experience. Why? Are you warning anyone? Perhaps you and Dell should write in detail about your experiences so others in future will know. I was warned privately by multiple people that she is a scammer.
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wallm i flew back from Kharkov late October so it's still fresh.It's not a scam per se where she doesn't deliver the paid services.She can claim that at the meetings "it didn't worked out" "there was no chemistry" etc.So one must be very careful when accusing somebody else.Probably that's why you where warned privately.I'll post a trip report shortly.
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"stick with the website that is suggested on this forum and you will be alright"
Dell,i'll try them too.
" I didn't waste a lot of money on KH services and it was a good learning experience for me. Mainly of what not to do, and what to watch out for in the future."
Same here.
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I'll chime in as I've personally used the lady's service twice in the past, assuming we are all on the same wavelength. Admittedly, I didn't have any success in my search, but I can vouch that I felt like I had met some genuine ladies who, for the most part, were interested in meeting me and could hold a conversation and I had a positive experience in Kharkov. I would regard her and her husband as friends now.
Did I think I was overcharged on one or two things that I didn't think was reasonable? Sure. But I understand that although she's genuinely trying to find happiness for people, she's also a businesswoman. I do wonder how some of these guys that complain about $20 for someone's car and time have gotten so far in life. Not happy? Then discuss the issue or move on. Want to take an Uber next time? Tell her. Not happy with the first 2 ladies of the 4 you are due to meet? Address the issue and explain your position. When I hear the way some guys talk in restaurants, that may never have left their country before...about things like women, life, work...it truly baffles me.
One small example; when I was coming over the lady said to me "I have a perfect apartment for you, and its $70 a night." I replied: "no need, I found a great apartment on Airbnb for $50 a night." Her: "The apartment is brand new, you won't find as good on Airbnb. I can get you it for $55 a night, great location, here are the photos." Me: "Perfect, no problem, looks great."
I had 3 options: 1) Be polite/a sucker and take the first price. 2) Negotiate it down to what I thought a fairer reflection was. 3) Decide to get my own apartment, for a cheaper price, which I'd have had no qualms in doing.
You complain that she introduced you to her 'friends'. Would you rather she introduced you to some random ladies from Anastasiaweb? The service didn't work for you, utilise other options. Trust me, I've dealt with far worse in places like Kiev. It's all part of the experience and developing your independence. Know what works for you and when you are or aren't happy with something, say so. Kharkov is a great city with an abundance of amazing women and things to do.
Will I personally use her service again? Doubtful, now that I have a good orientation of Kharkov and other cities in Ukraine and I've been there enough times to spread my own wings. YMMV, but understand that this is one method of searching in your armoury and there are some people who have had good experiences, leading to success in their search. You can't criticise introduction services entirely based on a few days in Kharkov and meeting 4 ladies at last minute.
No need to be nasty on either side, but name the service and explain your considered position. The person has the right to reply, as do others that have used the service - whether positive or negative.
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Did I think I was overcharged on one or two things that I didn't think was reasonable? Sure. But I understand that although she's genuinely trying to find happiness for people, she's also a businesswoman. I do wonder how some of these guys that complain about $20 for someone's car and time have gotten so far in life.
I don't care if someone wants to charge a $1,000 for a service, good businees etiquette is you give them full dissclore of all cost of services before they use it, not after.
You complain that she introduced you to her 'friends'. Would you rather she introduced you to some random ladies from Anastasiaweb?
Someone KH introduced me to I found on a scammer site. I would rather be introduced to women who are looking for relationships, not friends helping KH make some money.
No one is being nasty. I am giving my experience, poeple can take what they want from it.
lyndontom, good luck with you search!:)
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I don't care if someone wants to charge a $1,000 for a service, good businees etiquette is you give them full dissclore of all cost of services before they use it, not after.
Someone KH introduced me to I found on a scammer site. I would rather be introduced to women who are looking for relationships, not friends helping KH make some money.
No one is being nasty. I am giving my experience, poeple can take what they want from it.
lyndontom, good luck with you search!:)
Full disclosure works both ways; you ask what you're receiving and how much it will cost if you're unsure. If you're not happy, you make it known and prevent it from happening again, or you decide to go separate ways. Personally I didn't face any such problems, but I asked the full cost and breakdown in advance - having learnt lessons from other services in other cities, etc.
I never accused you of being nasty; I said you can express your opinion here and do so without it becoming so, as can the person in their response on both sides.
What is a "scammer site"? As has been said here time and time again, you will find disingenuous ladies on 'good' websites and 'women who are looking for relationships' on websites that we regard at this forum as not especially favourable. Trust me, I've seen most tricks in the book in Odessa and Kiev.
I'm not here to actively defend anyone on either side or bash anyone either and I aimed to bring some balance to the argument, as I've used the service twice before; I don't have an active horse in the race.
Whilst I obviously went back for a 2nd attempt for some positive reasons, I also stated that I probably wouldn't use the service again. I agree that things aren't flawless, but I also think things can be blown out of proportion. People here will have positive and negative opinions to impart.
I'm not currently searching now, but thanks and same to you.
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Someone KH introduced me to I found on a scammer site. I would rather be introduced to women who are looking for relationships, not friends helping KH make some money.
Careful if you find a women on scammer sites. There are plenty of men who were rejected or didn't get their money's worth who are quick to label a women a scammer. And you hear one side of story.
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Careful if you find a women on scammer sites. There are plenty of men who were rejected or didn't get their money's worth who are quick to label a women a scammer. And you hear one side of story.
100% reinforce these comments.
Jumping to a conclusion based on those sites is fraught with danger.
The huge majority of men who use sites, look at fsuw in all the variations available -- are not in the "normal" category themselves. Even on this site --everyday- there are posts from guys that need examination before their "story" or conclusions can be accepted .
I also support the view expressed in earlier posts about naming the alledged wrong doers and give them the right of reply -- and others to chime in with good/bad etc All to often-- there is 2 sides to a story.
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I clearly stated this in my first post...."I would like to warn users on this forum if someone is recommending a person that can introduce you to a good woman, and they have not used this service before, don't listen to them!"
We are all grown-ups here, you can do whatever you want. I am just suggesting if someone is telling you to use a service they have not tried before I would just take what they say with a grain of salt.
As humans, we learn more from our failures than we do from our susses. Even if you have a bad experience there's a lot to be learned from it.