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RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: DCcowboy on February 21, 2019, 08:01:30 PM

Title: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on February 21, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
Not sure where to post this....... But how bad is the war fighting in Severodonetsk? I am heeding the advice of the members on here and wrapping things up with my Russian Lady Friend. But I might have found a new Ukrainian Lady. BTW completely free, she even stated she wanted to keep it by email, because she does not like others reading what she writes.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on February 21, 2019, 09:01:30 PM
dewd, this is inside the territory of Novo Russia, an active war zone
don't think you want to be anywhere near this area...
also any woman from this area, turn your scam detector all the way to maximum!!!!

A Russian problem in your neighborhood?
who ya gonna call?
Russ Busters!
"I ain't afraid o' no Russian"!!!!


Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on February 22, 2019, 12:40:44 AM
dewd, this is inside the territory of Novo Russia, an active war zone
don't think you want to be anywhere near this area...
also any woman from this area, turn your scam detector all the way to maximum!!!!

A Russian problem in your neighborhood?
who ya gonna call?
Russ Busters!
"I ain't afraid o' no Russian"!!!!


Inside territory???? Is your mouth working faster than your brain???

Closeby , yes.
May I ask where you are getting your info?

 
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on February 22, 2019, 12:58:07 AM
Not sure where to post this....... But how bad is the war fighting in Severodonetsk? I am heeding the advice of the members on here and wrapping things up with my Russian Lady Friend. But I might have found a new Ukrainian Lady. BTW completely free, she even stated she wanted to keep it by email, because she does not like others reading what she writes.


E-mail means it ain't going anywhere. That is natural way used by girls near/in war zone area. My guess is this girl doesn't speak English well. We'll see.

 
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on February 22, 2019, 02:32:12 AM

E-mail means it ain't going anywhere. That is natural way used by girls near/in war zone area. My guess is this girl doesn't speak English well. We'll see.
speaks English fairly well, at least written, and sent a little video introduction of her self.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on February 22, 2019, 02:33:03 AM
dewd, this is inside the territory of Novo Russia, an active war zone
don't think you want to be anywhere near this area...
also any woman from this area, turn your scam detector all the way to maximum!!!!

A Russian problem in your neighborhood?
who ya gonna call?
Russ Busters!
"I ain't afraid o' no Russian"!!!!
my scam alerters will be on high status!
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2019, 02:47:18 AM
There are many nice people caught up in this region through not fault of their own

I know a women from there - she has been on the dating scene for at least 15 years -  she knows what she wants and it isn't necessarily a meal ticket out - as she has tried to live with a Dutch guy

Email is less secure than whatsapp  or Viber, surely ?

We have had members enter the disputed territory



Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on February 22, 2019, 07:18:18 AM
"Inside territory???? Is your mouth working faster than your brain???"

there is no official border for the Luhansk People’s Republic
the boundaries ebb and flow in accordance with the tides of war
severodonetsk was overrun by LPR forces early on but later withdrew
the city still bears extensive shell damage from this period
last year Russian heavy artillery started a forest fire just outside the city
I’m probably the only person on this board who knows the sound of an incoming 131mm Russian howitzer round, even the children of severodonetsk can identify this sound...
today the LPR front-line is roughly 10 miles away...
tomorrow...???

my sources are legion...
including a nephew in 138th Guards Brigade “on vacation” a little south east of there

dcdewd,
google these two words together
severodonetsk scammer
why so many from such a little place?
why?
because they're one of a huge army of PRO scammers who work for an "organization" in the LPR!!!!

part dva

I'm beginning to think that some of the fails going on may be due to scammers
and not just due to guys with a "total lack of play"
the best way to avoid scammers is for you to go there
and not do it online
where do you think scammers hunt?
you want to do the hunting and not the other way around and become the hunted

you guys wanna know how I saw droves of naked Ukrainian girls?
I drew little pictures!
all I did was just sit down and start painting
and it was like throwing birdseed into a flock of pigeons
here let me lay it all out for ya

Every Ukrainain City has markets of various kinds and sizes
find the biggest one
at least one side of the market will front a major street
go to this side
there will be a bus stop with benches
go sit on one and pull out drawing pad and water colors, brushes
and start painting
whatever
whoever
attire - anything BUT blue jeans and tennis shoes
recommend jacket but no tie

first thing people notice is you’re a foreigner
second is that you’re furiously painting away on something
this is a curious spectacle for most Russian people
maybe 1/4 will alter their direction so they can “slyly” check out what it is you’re painting
about 3/4 of these will be women
of these about 1/4 will be hot
and of these about 10% will linger and take more time examining the painting
and 100% of these will, if you make eye contact, try to speak some level of English with you
this at peak hours, could give as much as 10 hits per hour of 9+ wimmin
(just don't make eye contact with women who fall below the "threshold" and get good at making quick appraisals out of the corner of your eye)
of course it helps to be near a university and saturday is usually best!!!

from there, it was trivial to get them to come to dinner at my apartment and most of the time they'd end up staying the night
my wife never left!!!

PS, Russians usually like my color style!!









Russ Busters!!

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 22, 2019, 10:23:08 AM
Bad news:  Severodonetsk is too close to the contested border for you to safely visit.  To travel there you will have to pass multiple police and military checkpoints.  It is doable if you have a trusty Ukrainian friend to accompany you.

Good news: Kharkiv is nearby and if things work out with Ms Severodonetsk you can meet her there.  There are bus and car services she can take for not much money.  I am not sure if any train service goes to the city.


Email is fine for initial communication but try to move on to Whatsapp or Viber.  If she says she doesn't have either then she's a scammer.  Perhaps 0.001% chance she is not.


There are people in that area who are genuine, even within the separatist territory.  T's friend S is single, lives in Donetsk, and has been looking for someone for a while (over a year).  S met someone from Kyiv in November, things went well, she visited him over the holidays, but it didn't work out after a few days face-to-face. 

S is the reason T and I met - she got T to sign up for online dating.  S was only interested in local men.  T, fortunately, didn't mind searching international.

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: ML on February 22, 2019, 11:15:14 AM
Spoke to wife about this.  She said when FSU was industrializing eastern Ukraine, many criminals were sent to the Severodonetsk and that area in general to work the mines.
Something like Australia it seems.
So even in Soviet times the Severodonetsk area was known as a center of crime.

Then, she relayed two personal experiences that supported the general notion.

A friend of hers had a daughter who was enrolled at the Law College in Kharkiv which is the best in Ukraine.  Only top students, and from supposedly 'high' families are admitted to this college.
This girl was dating a fellow student from Severodonetsk.
Eventually the girl's parents traveled to Severodonetsk to meet with the boys parents.
They returned home in shock.  Despite the boy's family being from the top society in Severodonetsk . . . they displayed a definite criminal mentality and outlook on life.

Another friend of my wife visited a sanatorium.  There she associated with another group of 'high' families from Severodonetsk, several of whom were in law enforcement.
They also displayed criminal behavior and spoke openly about how they were paid by gangs to 'look the other way.'

DC, I think you are going to be 'twice bitten.'
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2019, 11:48:24 AM
dewd, this is inside the territory of Novo Russia, an active war zone
don't think you want to be anywhere near this area...
also any woman from this area, turn your scam detector all the way to maximum!!!!

Yeah,

I wouldn't even reply to somebody from this area, what I do is ONLY reply to Nigerian
princes who want me to help them with their money, that way I know it's too legit to
quit.

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2019, 11:51:38 AM
Perhaps 0.001% chance she is not.

I agree
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2019, 11:55:37 AM
My guess is this girl doesn't speak English well. We'll see.

My guess is that she is Hairy Boris
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2019, 12:24:01 PM
Spoke to wife about this.  She said when FSU was industrializing eastern Ukraine, many criminals were sent to the Severodonetsk and that area in general to work the mines.
Something like Australia it seems.
So even in Soviet times the Severodonetsk area was known as a center of crime.

Then, she relayed two personal experiences that supported the general notion.

A friend of hers had a daughter who was enrolled at the Law College in Kharkiv which is the best in Ukraine.  Only top students, and from supposedly 'high' families are admitted to this college.
This girl was dating a fellow student from Severodonetsk.
Eventually the girl's parents traveled to Severodonetsk to meet with the boys parents.
They returned home in shock.  Despite the boy's family being from the top society in Severodonetsk . . . they displayed a definite criminal mentality and outlook on life.

Another friend of my wife visited a sanatorium.  There she associated with another group of 'high' families from Severodonetsk, several of whom were in law enforcement.
They also displayed criminal behavior and spoke openly about how they were paid by gangs to 'look the other way.'

DC, I think you are going to be 'twice bitten.'

Pretty much anyone who came from a "high" family in Soviet times (and thereafer) was/is a criminal, with the exception of artists in post Soviet society.  It's just a matter of where they believed they were in the pecking order.  They were all tied to the criminal world in one way or another.  In Soviet times, for the most part, there was no difference between a gangster and a policeman, and that hasn't changed.  Listen to Ukrainian politicians - the former Soviet nomenklatura - sometime.  They all speak like criminals.

The transfer of "criminals" to Donetsk was done for petty criminals - usually thieves, and also for those the Soviets found "unSoviet", who typically were not criminals in the sense we would describe criminals.  That type of sentence, in criminal slang, was called "khimiya" (chemistry).  The criminal had an option - go work in the region or go to prison for three or four years.  Severodonetsk was known as a police town, so everyone who was not sent there to work off a crime worked for the police.  The criminals just had to live there during the term of their sentence.  They didn't have to stay there after the sentence term.  Most criminals who went there lived in dormitories, surrounded by informants.  They had to stay on the straight and narrow, because everyone who worked in a store, in a building, etc., was an informant.  If the criminal violated the law, they were sent to prison under the terms of their original sentence, with no credit for the time served in the town.  The Soviets took this model from Nazi Germany. 

The same methods were used across the USSR, although it was only in certain regions that criminals were sent to "work off" their possible sentences.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 23, 2019, 05:18:44 AM
Hang on you are replying to dc cowboy .  The high ranking f b I officer who is not allowed to Russia and now wants to visit a proper war zone.  The guy who wants to wear cowboy boots.  So a desk top fantasist who could go to Minsk or Kiev and not get all you lot typing away like minions.   But actually  it's turning into an interesting post as I'm going to dinipro and I'm interested in what scams I may fall into.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on February 23, 2019, 06:50:26 AM
Hang on you are replying to dc cowboy .  The high ranking f b I officer who is not allowed to Russia and now wants to visit a proper war zone.  The guy who wants to wear cowboy boots.  So a desk top fantasist who could go to Minsk or Kiev and not get all you lot typing away like minions.   But actually  it's turning into an interesting post as I'm going to dinipro and I'm interested in what scams I may fall into.
lol..... Firstly I don't work for one of the agencies. I don't think cowboy boots come into play. 😂
Not saying I don't work for Marlboro. 🤣
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on February 23, 2019, 08:56:32 AM
I slept with two different demographics in Ukraine.
18-21 yr old undergrads from Taras Shevchenko Univ in Kyiv
and 23-25 yr old blue collar workers in Kyiv

the 18-21 yr olds were absolutely the most amazing eye candy you could ever imagine
and none of them were in the least bit modest about showing it
very tantalizing for someone from a quasi-puritanical culture like the one I grew up in
but..
they were not very sexually experienced, though none were virgins
also in general they were kinda lazy about “picking up after themselves”, so-so culinary skills
and almost every one was “bi-polar" which was regulated by their hormonal cycle
did not consider any of them “wife material”

the blue collar 23-25 yr olds were a VERY BIG contrast from this
emotionally stable!
almost OCD about keeping things clean
“super pooper” domestic skills of all kinds

the sexual contrast between these two demographics was also enormous!
the blue collar 23-25 yr olds were the most amazing sexual encounters I had ever had in my life!

these are “low born” social status Ukrainians, women who moved from some shack filled village to Kyiv to find some $200/month job of any kind, because there is nothing at all but growing and selling potatoes in her village for her economic future

these women lived in a single room apartment with a hot plate and a sink and a toilette
and had a communal kitchen and shower and a $200/month salary

there were rows and rows of these apartments filled with these women who worked at various “savods” all around Kyiv, thousands and thousands of them...

life is so hard for these women, competition so fierce, that the pretty ones have evolved into fierce man-eating beasts who use their sexuality for gain whenever the opportunity arises
and they are freaking INCREDIBLE at it!!!
I dunno what it is, millenia of being over run by invaders or what
but they can communicate through body language
that they welcome your “conquest”...
as eminem said in his song, “it makes my slinky go “boing, boing, boing”!!!!

these pics show the contrast between the 19 yr old demographic (first Ukrainian girl friend)
and 25 yr old demographic (my wife when I met her)

the big difference is YOU have to seduce the 18-21 year olds, but don't worry alcohol doers 90% of the work for you
but the 23-25 yr olds, THEY seduce you!!!!
you'll immediately feel it when they "turn it on"
constantly touching, constant flattery, leaning in close while making eye contact
pleading with you over some little thing, but doing it in a submissive way with downcast eyes while touching you
the more resistance you put up by ignoring them, the more they turn up the dial
eventually they will take you to the sauna, the banya
pretend you have no idea what it is, but you want to have authentic Ukrainian experiences
then when the two of you are in the changing room SURPRISE!  SHE'S COMPLETELY NAKED AND EXPECTS YOU TO BE AS WELL!!
see how slick they are, by the third date they've got you in a position
where you're sitting on a bench next to them with your willy hanging out in all its glory
in this situation, when a Ukrainian woman is displaying her naked body for the first time
they do a thing I call "presenting"
they know the impact of what they're doing is having on you while pretending "it's all perfectly innocent and natural"
they are posing in suggestive poses while making furtive glances at your willy
then when the inevitable physical reaction begins to "grow"
and you blush out of embarrassment
they will whisper into your ear, "eta horrosho" and stroke your leg soothingly...
and things lead on from there...
this is a typical Ukrainian woman seduction
but there are many kinds that I've seen
the most interesting is what I call "flashing"
get a Ukrainian girl drunk or high and if they're in a "manic mood"
they can remove their jeans and panties
and display themselves to you
just to see your reaction!!!!!
this is not at all what any western guy is used to


 



Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 23, 2019, 01:33:05 PM
Krim I love your posts its all so familiar
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on February 23, 2019, 03:19:32 PM
Krim I love your posts its all so familiar
kims post always make my smile, and drive me on to this quest for a FSU women.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on February 23, 2019, 03:49:18 PM
awww shucks you guys....

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 02, 2019, 03:21:33 PM
Things are moving along nicely with Ms. Severodonetsk we are planning on me taking a trip, in a couple of months, July probably. I have her address which I am sending flowers with a picture and her phone. She even gave me the place she worked. Things are not as a big secret as Ms. Moscow. I did find out she is using a translation service. But pays for this her self.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 02, 2019, 03:38:45 PM
Foreigners sending flowers to UW is a big business there.  A photo proves delivery, everyone gets a cut of the price, and the flowers often are sent back to the florist after the obligatory photos.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: JayH on March 02, 2019, 03:45:21 PM
DC -- you need to be reading more closely -there no need these days to be using anyone for written  translation. EG-- Viber has a one tap translation that is near enough immediate. I can use Google translate on computer and phone to translate a word or a lengthy document or story . Google translate on phone can translate spoken words and in affect - carry out a conversation.
   The idea of 3rd party translation is a throwback to an earlier time -- and imo is very questionable. :rolleyes:
Below is an example of this post -- it is not perfect -- but gets very close thesedays.

DC - вам нужно читать более внимательно - в наши дни нет необходимости использовать кого-либо для письменного перевода. EG-- Viber имеет перевод одним нажатием, который достаточно близок к немедленному. Я могу использовать Google Translate на компьютере и телефоне, чтобы перевести слово или длинный документ или историю. Гугл переводчик по телефону может переводить произносимые слова, а в аффекте - вести разговор.
    Идея перевода третьей стороной - это возврат к более раннему времени - и ИМО очень сомнительна. :закатывать глаза:
Ниже приведен пример этого поста - он не идеален - но очень близко подходит к этим дням.

That can be done on computer or phone -- and takes about 5 seconds !
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: JayH on March 02, 2019, 03:53:42 PM
Foreigners sending flowers to UW is a big business there.  A photo proves delivery, everyone gets a cut of the price, and the flowers often are sent back to the florist after the obligatory photos.


There are a few variations -- girl actually goes to florist, florist goes to girl etc etc so photo proves nothing at all.If the agency is having a good day it can maybe use the same flowers for quite a few girls !
As for address-- mmm --history shows that is an easy mislead.

DC -- none of the potential negatives is conclusive in itself -- but if I was giving odds here  - you have only a 10% chance of her being as reported.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: SteveInBoston on March 02, 2019, 08:07:01 PM
Also,

Please realize flowers in Ukraine is less than 1/5 the price in US.  A dozen roses can be purchased at a flower market for $2-$3.

I bought a huge bouquet for T in Lviv for about $15 - something that would have been over $100 in the States.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 02, 2019, 08:24:31 PM
Good to know! I was going to use cyberflorist they helped me out before with another girl that gave me a false address. Gave me a full refund. So I have been down that road before, at some point I have to start trusting her. I mean she gave me her employers name and phone number to call, and I already verified the number as being legit to where she says she works. What else can I ask for her to verify she is real?? I am going to visit her!
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 02, 2019, 11:47:10 PM
speaks English fairly well, at least written, and sent a little video introduction of her self.

yep, girl speaks English fairly well!!!

The translation service speaks English fairly well!!!

Can I make a SUGGESTION? Why don't you find someone who actually speaks English fairly well, that way you can actually speak with her. You are paranoid with trust issues, what's up with that!!!
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 02, 2019, 11:51:43 PM
Good to know! I was going to use cyberflorist they helped me out before with another girl that gave me a false address. Gave me a full refund. So I have been down that road before, at some point I have to start trusting her. I mean she gave me her employers name and phone number to call, and I already verified the number as being legit to where she says she works. What else can I ask for her to verify she is real?? I am going to visit her!

You are freakin funny!!! Back a number of years we used to use flower delivery as a way of trying to find out if girl is real or not. You are using THAT now???


They have internet now, on phones even, you can audio or video now. That is where you figure if girl is real or not. Better question is if girl is sincere/serious or not.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on March 03, 2019, 06:17:57 AM
“at some point I have to start trusting her.”

absolutely!
we’re just trying to raise your awareness about the VERY high levels of dishonesty in the world that you are entering...

whatever “social intelligence” you’ve developed by livin’ large in America
will be woefully inadequate for Ukraine...

gullible outcomes typically come about through the exploitation of your “willingness to believe”  that’s why you need to be a skeptic and VERIFY (as you have now learned to do)

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
To give you some contrast.  I've watts app a woman in Ukraine and dated for 100 days 40 days face to face until I figured I was being 2 timed with another British guy.  Now i'm off to Dinipro 16 March to meet someone i've seen her whole life through whats app video.  Krimster there's no such thing as a 131mm howitzer.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on March 03, 2019, 07:58:58 AM
sorry for the typo meant to type 130 and not 131
specifically the M46
much LOUDER sound compared to the more common D74 122mm, shell is about 50% heavier

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 08:16:34 AM
So a howitzer produced in 1954 and retired by the Russians in 1975 of which the Russian army has 18 left for ceremonial duties is firing in Ukraine ?
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
46 stands for 1946 the year the research project began
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 03, 2019, 08:49:29 AM
What else can I ask for her to verify she is real??
You are paranoid with trust issues, what's up with that!!!

That was rhetorical for the paranoid people on here! I my self have no doubt she is real.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on March 03, 2019, 10:18:17 AM

"So a howitzer produced in 1954 and retired by the Russians in 1975 of which the Russian army has 18 left for ceremonial duties is firing in Ukraine ?"

believe it or not, there is a WWII t-34 refurbished and on active duty by the LPR (smokes enough to make its own smoke screen)
dunno the provenance of LPR's m46s, a few thousand were produced and distributed globally
it could have come from Russia, Serbia, Kazakztan or even Ukraine... or from a dozen other places
LPR even has brand new American M4 carbines they got that originally were from the USA to Georgia
I'm pretty certain of what I've stated, but no photos, sorry...
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 03, 2019, 11:29:58 AM

That was rhetorical for the paranoid people on here! I my self have no doubt she is real.

All from emails translated by someone and pics of girl????


She may be real but sincere and serious are different matters.


Where are you two supposed to 'meet'? Going to need translator wherever you go. I am sure she will bring her's.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 03, 2019, 01:01:07 PM
She speaks some English. Just not written. And according to James stick figures work well.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 03, 2019, 01:09:06 PM
She speaks some English. Just not written. And according to James stick figures work well.


You heard her speak? Or is this what she told you?


I do understand some woman minimize their levels.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 01:14:41 PM
Stick figures work well.  I was feeling very smug until this morning when I told miss Dinipro I needed a new Samsung mobile and she suggested I buy her a new one and have her old one.  She also showed me a refusal document for a visitor visa for 2017 stating she was visiting England for 4 weeks to meet a boyfriend who had supplied his financial documents and was sponsoring.  She now tells me this was all a mistake by the Warsaw Ukraine UK visa office.  She's divorced from a ukranian with whom she has a child.  Married and divorcing a Hungarian after 1 year.  Looks like Megan Fox and I'm visiting her apartment for a week 16 March.  So what should my plan be ?  She claims both ex husbands left for other women.  I'm being blinded by the looks and the small brain is doing the thinking. 
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
I'm actually starting to realise these Ukrainian women are far smarter than myself
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on March 03, 2019, 01:19:12 PM
DC Cowboy,

I had a gal that I met on a subscription site.  She was from Slovyansk, not too far away from Severodonetsk.   Pretty gal.  We got along well.   So I thought I would meet her on my next trip to Ukraine.   So I set a date to meet her in Kharkiv.  She readily agreed and told me that to get from Slovyansk to Kharkiv would be $200 and would I help her with the fare.   I said that it seemed a little expensive and she responded that it was because of the war and that there was fighting in the area.   (You may recall that Slovyansk was a hotbed of activity early on in the conflict.)

So I sent her a copy of a car pool advertisement in her local paper, in Russian, which advertised the same trip for 40 Grivna and would drop and pick her up from a major market in Kharkiv.   She disappeared when she realized I understood Russian and local transportation schedules.   

I copied the entire conversation and sent it to the system administrator, who promptly deleted her profile from the website.

My guess is that it was her husband who had put up the profile and was encouraging her to talk to me.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 03, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
I'm actually starting to realise these Ukrainian women are far smarter than myself


FYI- I knew that from your first post!!!


and the other 100+ that you stated your GF was greatest thing since sliced bread!!!
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 03, 2019, 01:30:11 PM
DC Cowboy,

I had a gal that I met on a subscription site.  She was from Slovyansk, not too far away from Severodonetsk.   Pretty gal.  We got along well.   So I thought I would meet her on my next trip to Ukraine.   So I set a date to meet her in Kharkiv.  She readily agreed and told me that to get from Slovyansk to Kharkiv would be $200 and would I help her with the fare.   I said that it seemed a little expensive and she responded that it was because of the war and that there was fighting in the area.   (You may recall that Slovyansk was a hotbed of activity early on in the conflict.)

So I sent her a copy of a car pool advertisement in her local paper, in Russian, which advertised the same trip for 40 Grivna and would drop and pick her up from a major market in Kharkiv.   She disappeared when she realized I understood Russian and local transportation schedules.   

I copied the entire conversation and sent it to the system administrator, who promptly deleted her profile from the website.

My guess is that it was her husband who had put up the profile and was encouraging her to talk to me.
thank you for the information. I will be sure to let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 01:36:11 PM
Well yes I can say definitely 2 hot Ukrainians so far but maybe not marriage material
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 03, 2019, 01:37:36 PM


So I sent her a copy of a car pool advertisement in her local paper, in Russian, which advertised the same trip for 40 Grivna and would drop and pick her up from a major market in Kharkiv.   She disappeared when she realized I understood Russian and local transportation schedules.   

I copied the entire conversation and sent it to the system administrator, who promptly deleted her profile from the website.

My guess is that it was her husband who had put up the profile and was encouraging her to talk to me.


You know Jone,  the next week she will be back with new photos, different 'name'.


I think women are smart enough to try to fleece men on their own, why not get all the money.

Earlier this year I was speaking with girl in Lugansk, I aske if she wanted to meet in proper Ukraine. She said she didn't have enough money to travel. I sent her the bus schedule for both areas and cost. She knows the cost. We did not get into specific 'money 'issues

I find it amazing how many girls I have met/talked with who are from War zone areas, either still living there or moved to Kharkov and Kiev.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 01:40:13 PM
Looks like being a bachelor and mini relationships is the way to go
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on March 03, 2019, 01:50:33 PM

You know Jone,  the next week she will be back with new photos, different 'name'.


I think women are smart enough to try to fleece men on their own, why not get all the money.

Earlier this year I was speaking with girl in Lugansk, I aske if she wanted to meet in proper Ukraine. She said she didn't have enough money to travel. I sent her the bus schedule for both areas and cost. She knows the cost. We did not get into specific 'money 'issues

I find it amazing how many girls I have met/talked with who are from War zone areas, either still living there or moved to Kharkov and Kiev.

Might not be different photos.   I talked to her via Viber.   Half in Russian, half in English.   My take is that she needed some money and was doing whatever it took.

I told her I had seen the video of her mayor getting arrested by Ukrainian nationalists after the city had been retaken by the army.   Her eyes went a little wide when I told her that because she then knew how plugged in I was.   Still, she tried to fleece me.   

Who knows?   Most guys don't have this forum to alert readers to the activities of the scamming population and would readily fall for something like that.  After all, in the US, $200 constitutes a good night out on the town.

And I believe that for every scammer there are at least two real Eastern European women who want to meet someone.   A friend of mine introduced me to a portion of facebook dedicated to helping women meet Western men.   Everyone on that Facebook page is legitimate.   It was started by a gal from St. Petersburg who married a guy from Texas.   I would share the details on here but they group is not terrifically large and the membership protects itself.   Most of the gals on there are top shelf.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: msmob on March 03, 2019, 01:59:28 PM
Hmm

Is this the same Jone who made a song and dance  when I was reluctant to reveal software to search for ladies images on Vkontakte ?
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: ML on March 03, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
we’re just trying to raise your awareness about the VERY high levels of dishonesty in the world that you are entering...

whatever “social intelligence” you’ve developed by livin’ large in America
will be woefully inadequate for Ukraine...

gullible outcomes typically come about through the exploitation of your “willingness to believe”  that’s why you need to be a skeptic and VERIFY (as you have now learned to do)

Not quite the same . . . but along the same track . . .

FSU folks look at one issue completely different than USA folks.

This concerns who has been scammed or treated badly, and who is at fault.

In USA we take the side of the victim and rail about how terrible the perpetrator is and how they should be punished.

In FSU their first reaction is that it was the fault of the victim for being so naive or even stupid, so they rightfully should suffer  There is even a tendency to praise the perpetrator who was able to pull off the scam or bad behavior.

Again, not quite the same, but there is also a difference in the outlook concerning favorites and underdogs.

For instance, in a boxing match or other sporting event, USA folks often are pulling for the underdog.
FSU folks will never pull for underdog (unless he is a Ukrainian or a personal friend) and probably will scream for the favorite to 'kill him.'

Special note:  None of the above describes my spouse or her family; but they are true exceptions to the norm.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 03, 2019, 04:19:20 PM
Stick figures work well.  I was feeling very smug until this morning when I told miss Dinipro I needed a new Samsung mobile and she suggested I buy her a new one and have her old one.  She also showed me a refusal document for a visitor visa for 2017 stating she was visiting England for 4 weeks to meet a boyfriend who had supplied his financial documents and was sponsoring.  She now tells me this was all a mistake by the Warsaw Ukraine UK visa office.  She's divorced from a ukranian with whom she has a child.  Married and divorcing a Hungarian after 1 year. 

Why are you wasting time, money and energy on this creature?

Quote
Looks like Megan Fox and I'm visiting her apartment for a week 16 March. .  .  and the small brain is doing the thinking.

There's the answer. 

Sorry to say it, but to me, you sound like a sex tourist.  If you go visit this woman, that will be confirmed.

This post was composed without the aid of google.


Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 03, 2019, 09:50:45 PM
Tough words Boethius well I just seem to be playing by Ukrainian rules.  I'm a fast learner.  I genuinely would like to live the rest of my days with one woman.  But if the game is lure me in with sex then pump me for money then I'll try to take the bait and miss the trap.  I'm not making up the rules I'm playing the game laid before me.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 04, 2019, 01:32:12 AM
No, you're not playing by "Ukrainian rules".  A normal UM would not consider the women you have been meeting for a long term relationship.  Why are you taking the bait and wasting your time if you're not a sex tourist?  It sounds to me as if you don't truly want a LTR.  You are making up the rules, just as much as the women, whether or not  you acknowledge that fact.  You're hunting wolves, and then you feign surprise that a wolf is acting like a wolf.

This post was composed without the aid of google.


Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 04, 2019, 06:39:47 AM
So boethius how does a man rule out the wolves as they are probably the most aggressive daters on the internet and overshadow the sheep.  Also I guess there is an element of wolf in me maybe I do need a fellow wolf.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Gator on March 04, 2019, 09:09:03 AM
“at some point I have to start trusting her.”

absolutely!
we’re just trying to raise your awareness about the VERY high levels of dishonesty in the world that you are entering...

whatever “social intelligence” you’ve developed by livin’ large in America
will be woefully inadequate for Ukraine...

gullible outcomes typically come about through the exploitation of your “willingness to believe”  that’s why you need to be a skeptic and VERIFY (as you have now learned to do)


Outstanding.  :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Should be highlighted for all newbies.  It is also a valuable reminder for the experienced.     

This same category of women also preys on FSUM, with success.  A predator must eat, and while the FSUM are more difficult to bring down than WM wife seekers,  FSUM far outnumber the few WM who wander into their territory.  And some FSUM have a lot of meat on their bones.   These FSUM can be very clever and armed with multiple weapons.   
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: lyndontom on March 04, 2019, 11:14:47 AM
So boethius how does a man rule out the wolves as they are probably the most aggressive daters on the internet and overshadow the sheep.  Also I guess there is an element of wolf in me maybe I do need a fellow wolf.


Do you really need this spelling out for you? You've acknowledged the red flags and chosen to ignore them because you're thinking with your little brain. If you continue to go for looks and aren't put off by bad behaviour, what different outcome can you really expect?


I agree with Boe, you can call them 'mini-relationships' as much as you like but you are simply confirming yourself as a sex tourist...
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Hammer2722 on March 04, 2019, 11:43:21 AM

Do you really need this spelling out for you? You've acknowledged the red flags and chosen to ignore them because you're thinking with your little brain. If you continue to go for looks and aren't put off by bad behaviour, what different outcome can you really expect?


I agree with Boe, you can call them 'mini-relationships' as much as you like but you are simply confirming yourself as a sex tourist...

If he talks like one and acts like one, he probably is..... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 04, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
So boethius how does a man rule out the wolves as they are probably the most aggressive daters on the internet and overshadow the sheep.  Also I guess there is an element of wolf in me maybe I do need a fellow wolf.

When the better half was in the navy, like all ships, his had a lot of rats. One sailor used to catch a rat and trap it in a covered barrel. He would starve the rat, and when it was very hungry, he would take another rat he’d caught and drop it in the barrel. One of the rats would cannibalize the other. He’d then repeat the process with that rat,  until the cannibal rat was large. Knowing the cannibal rat had a taste for flesh, he would then release it to hunt smaller rats.

You, James, are not a wolf. You are the rat thrown into the barrel to be eaten by the cannibal rat. You are going to a society that is foreign to you, and that you don’t understand. This is a society where politicians literally hunted people for sport, where screwing your acquaintances, closest friends, even relatives, of money, apartments, businesses, etc. is normal and not viewed as a sin. I could go on, but I hope you get the picture.  Further, no matter how long you live there, you will always be a foreigner, with the mentality shaped by the society in which you were raised. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: JayH on March 04, 2019, 03:28:40 PM


You, James, are not a wolf. You are the rat thrown into the barrel to be eaten by the cannibali rat.

If he talks like one and acts like one, he probably is..... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 04, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
Well no, Jay, I didn't mean it like that.  It's just an easy metaphor.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 04, 2019, 03:54:48 PM
Thanks for the heads up .  This site is definetly useful as a reality and enthusiasm check.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 10:04:24 AM
I'm sure I will get some sort of feedback that I should not have and I did it wrong. But I did send her flowers, and got a picture from the florist of her mom receiving them, she was at work, but after work she recorded a little video thanking me, using my name, for the flowers while holding the flowers. I will continue to verify her and her sincerity. But she is a real lady and not Boris.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 09, 2019, 11:38:26 AM
I'm sure I will get some sort of feedback that I should not have and I did it wrong. But I did send her flowers, and got a picture from the florist of her mom receiving them, she was at work, but after work she recorded a little video thanking me, using my name, for the flowers while holding the flowers. I will continue to verify her and her sincerity. But she is a real lady and not Boris.


She is a lady, yes, real who knows? Did you know Boris may have recorded the video and taken flowers back to florist.

With that money you verified nothing. You paid for a picture and short video. You are 8 years behind on technology.

You want to verify? Get her on video and speak directly in real time.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on March 09, 2019, 12:53:30 PM

She is a lady, yes, real who knows? Did you know Boris may have recorded the video and taken flowers back to florist.

With that money you verified nothing. You paid for a picture and short video. You are 8 years behind on technology.

You want to verify? Get her on video and speak directly in real time.

+1

These agencies are pretty clever!
Title: For the newbies who are reading this
Post by: 2tallbill on March 09, 2019, 02:14:00 PM
For the Newbies who are reading this

The number one goal of this search is to find a good girl. That's the only type
of girl you want. If ANY girl is determined not to be a good girl then you dump
her and move on 100% of the time without a wasted moment or fanfare.

You can't change a bad girl into a good girl, it would require years of psychotherapy
or possibly religious conversion etc. The goal is to find a girl who is a good girl
without needing any therapy. There are plenty of good girls in the FSU so you
stay away from any girl who isn't a good girl. You are only risking bad stuff on
yourself.

What could a 105 pound skinny blonde Ukrainian beauty possibly do to me
you might ask yourself. She could lure you to get robbed by 4 club toting
dewds who beat you within an inch or your life. If you don't want to have
your kidneys harvested then you stay away from ANY girl who you've
determined has less than perfect motives.

The OP here is obviously going to stupidly roll the dice with the hope
of getting his winky serviced. He doesn't need to go to a military hot
zone to get that done that's just being stupid.

If he really needs his pipes cleaned then he can go online to relax kiev dot
com or something similar and find plenty of hot girls who will ride him like
a stolen bike for a reasonable fee and he can toss his condom in the trash
and get on with his quest to find a good girl (if that's his ultimate intention).

(http://alranz.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/The-Peanuts-Football-Miss.gif)

The purpose of this forum is to help guys who have the goal of finding 
and marrying a good girl from the FSU. The OP is heading down a path
that probably won't lead to that goal. If he wanted to find a good girl
there are plenty of experienced and successful people here to give him
advice.

I made my share of mistakes before I found Angel Eyes and I kissed my
fair share of frogs looking for my princess. I've had my brains f#cked out
by a girl when my spidey senses were telling me that things weren't right
but I've never gotten on a plane when my spidey senses told me not to.


(http://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/religion-gullibility-belief-philosophy-practices-spiritualism-jdo0463_low.jpg)
NOTE: This cartoon is owned by cartoon stock and not me. Please do not
use this for commercial purposes



Let's say some Newbie finds himself in a similar situation what should he do? He should
simply write Dear Miss Smokinghot Devushka, I have decided to pursue others. I wish you
success, romance, love and boundless happiness!

Udachi!!


Noob the Newbie or your name here.

Then you start contacting other girls, you dump any girl who doesn't want to go on Skype
or lives in North Korea or in any land controlled by ISIS. You will still have millions and millions
of beautiful women to search from and you've only eliminated a few bad places where you might
be beheaded or starved to death in a forced labor/torture camp.

The OP could have contacted 20 girls in the amount of time he has spent debating visiting this one
Smokin' Hot Devushka.

Udachi!


Bill
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 02:49:22 PM
Thanks...... Bye
Title: Re: For the newbies who are reading this
Post by: ML on March 09, 2019, 02:51:45 PM

If he really needs his pipes cleaned then he can go online to relax kiev dot
com or something similar . . .

Or just contact Robert Kraft.
Title: Re: For the newbies who are reading this
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 03:12:16 PM
For the Newbies who are reading this

The number one goal of this search is to find a good girl. That's the only type
of girl you want. If ANY girl is determined not to be a good girl then you dump
her and move on 100% of the time without a wasted moment or fanfare.

You can't change a bad girl into a good girl, it would require years of psychotherapy
or possibly religious conversion etc. The goal is to find a girl who is a good girl
without needing any therapy. There are plenty of good girls in the FSU so you
stay away from any girl who isn't a good girl. You are only risking bad stuff on
yourself.

What could a 105 pound skinny blonde Ukrainian beauty possibly do to me
you might ask yourself. She could lure you to get robbed by 4 club toting
dewds who beat you within an inch or your life. If you don't want to have
your kidneys harvested then you stay away from ANY girl who you've
determined has less than perfect motives.

The OP here is obviously going to stupidly roll the dice with the hope
of getting his winky serviced. He doesn't need to go to a military hot
zone to get that done that's just being stupid.

If he really needs his pipes cleaned then he can go online to relax kiev dot
com or something similar and find plenty of hot girls who will ride him like
a stolen bike for a reasonable fee and he can toss his condom in the trash
and get on with his quest to find a good girl (if that's his ultimate intention).

(http://alranz.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/The-Peanuts-Football-Miss.gif)

The purpose of this forum is to help guys who have the goal of finding 
and marrying a good girl from the FSU. The OP is heading down a path
that probably won't lead to that goal. If he wanted to find a good girl
there are plenty of experienced and successful people here to give him
advice.

I made my share of mistakes before I found Angel Eyes and I kissed my
fair share of frogs looking for my princess. I've had my brains f#cked out
by a girl when my spidey senses were telling me that things weren't right
but I've never gotten on a plane when my spidey senses told me not to.


(http://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/religion-gullibility-belief-philosophy-practices-spiritualism-jdo0463_low.jpg)
NOTE: This cartoon is owned by cartoon stock and not me. Please do not
use this for commercial purposes



Let's say some Newbie finds himself in a similar situation what should he do? He should
simply write Dear Miss Smokinghot Devushka, I have decided to pursue others. I wish you
success, romance, love and boundless happiness!

Udachi!!


Noob the Newbie or your name here.

Then you start contacting other girls, you dump any girl who doesn't want to go on Skype
or lives in North Korea or in any land controlled by ISIS. You will still have millions and millions
of beautiful women to search from and you've only eliminated a few bad places where you might
be beheaded or starved to death in a forced labor/torture camp.

The OP could have contacted 20 girls in the amount of time he has spent debating visiting this one
Smokin' Hot Devushka.

Udachi!


Bill
if everyone is a scammer why even bother with this dating scam.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 03:18:43 PM
Every thing I post I get " you stupid ediot!" F*** it.
Title: You will get all sorts of advice
Post by: 2tallbill on March 09, 2019, 03:23:06 PM
Every thing I post I get " you stupid ediot!" F*** it.


Sent to me by PM
Go f*** yourself!!!


Mr Cowpoke,

When you ask for advice on a public forum you are going to get advice that you
like and advice that you don't like. Your job is to sift through the advice and use
what you think will work best for you and your situations and ignore the rest.

Above all don't get angry, you are fairly anonymous here and nobody knows
you except what you post here.

Hopefully, you didn't blow a gasket in your brain.

Udachi!

Bill 

[Edit to add] I have a Hot Russian wife so I don't have to F#ck myself.

Title: For the newbies who are reading this
Post by: 2tallbill on March 09, 2019, 03:29:06 PM
if everyone is a scammer why even bother with this dating scam.

There are two main strategies visit one and visit many.

In Strategy visit one you write many then narrow it down to the best candidate
then go visit her and I advise a backup plan with this strategy.

Let me explain what is NOT a viable visit one strategy. Write many girls and go
visit the hottest one that will reply to you regardless of red flags or character
issues etc.

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 03:33:16 PM
I'm through with this forum. It is just like every other forum out there, full of a bunch of people that feel that need to be heard because of shit in there in life's. There is a reason I quit forums in the early 2000's.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: JayH on March 09, 2019, 03:41:07 PM
Every thing I post I get " you stupid ediot!" F*** it.


DC -- I have some very fundamental philosophical disagreements with 2T  --  but not with anything he has posted in 'advice"  to you.

I do not necessarily agree on many points and attitudes 2T espouses -- but that comes down to personal style and different ways to go about  a"search"  and each of us will have all sorts of beliefs and prejudices that others will not share.

In the 2T posts --he mostly is handing out general advice -- and you can take it or leave it -the forum is littered with thread just like this -- and an OP getting upset.
My opinions  on your situation-- are in the threads -- and basically similar or same conclusion as 2T . My situation is current and ongoing and my experience extensive  -- that does not make me always correct -- but it does mean I have a very good idea of likely outcomes. :)
Title: For the newbies who are reading this
Post by: 2tallbill on March 09, 2019, 03:41:18 PM
if everyone is a scammer why even bother with this dating scam.

The vast majority aren't scammers. However there are scams and you need to avoid them
when you can.


RWD 'Ten Commandments'
« on: May 07, 2006, 03:50:42 PM »

1. Never send money to someone you have never met.

2. Always have a back-up plan.

3. Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.

4. Always get the lady's home address and home phone number as early as possible
[Added by 2tallbill] and talk to her on Skype or some video messenger. Dump her if
she says nyet.


5. Verify the ladies you are writing to are real.

6. Do not fall in love with photos!!

7. Always be yourself. Show the ladies the real you. Be truthful. Use current photos.

8. Do not rush into this! Take your time and be methodical, not impulsive, about this process.

9. Treat international dating the same as dating someone from your home country. The biggest difference
is the cost (travel, phone. etc). This is an expensive process. Don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise.

10. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MAIL-ORDER BRIDE! They do not exist.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 09, 2019, 03:42:43 PM
DC, most of the male posters here have made the same mistakes.  Bill was scammed, and has the t-shirt to prove it.  His name and photo were posted on a RW forum as a sex tourist, as he'd made the mistake of posting photos of himself with women he met on a WMVM trip.  So harsh as his message is, it is intended as a warning, and to help you, not to knock you down.

The better half is watching Russian news.  He asked me what I was typing.  I explained the last few posts.  His first comment, being from the culture, of the culture, but having rejected that culture, even before I met him, was, "Was she able to sell the flowers?  Probably - 8th of March".  There is a saying there that roughly translates to, "There is nothing to do if there is no money in the till.", which basically means, there's nothing to do with you if you can't be exploited.

If you want to know whether or not this woman is a scammer, go there.  Meet her.  There's a bus from Kharkiv to Severodonetsk every Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday (7.86 euros, but it's a long trip - 7 1/2 hours).  Or, hire a taxi for 2300 to 2600 hryvnia (double that for the foreign rate) for a 3 to 4 hour drive.  Or take a plane (this is from an online search of a Ukrainian airline, 229 hyrvnia one way, but I can't guarantee there actually is a flight, although it does show up online).  Determine if there is any connection between you.  Or send her $50 for a Viber connection and a little spending money.  You will then know, by whether or not she is willing to speak with you online, if she is sincere.

This post was composed with the aid of google in determining cost and availability of transportation.
Title: Re: For the newbies who are reading this
Post by: 2tallbill on March 09, 2019, 03:48:42 PM
Or just contact Robert Kraft.

He's not my type
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on March 09, 2019, 03:51:46 PM

DC -- I have some very fundamental philosophical disagreements with 2T  --  but not with anything he has posted in 'advice"  to you.

I do not necessarily agree on many points and attitudes 2T espouses -- but that comes down to personal style and different ways to go about  a"search"  and each of us will have all sorts of beliefs and prejudices that others will not share.

In the 2T posts --he mostly is handing out general advice -- and you can take it or leave it -the forum is littered with thread just like this -- and an OP getting upset.
My opinions  on your situation-- are in the threads -- and basically similar or same conclusion as 2T . My situation is current and ongoing and my experience extensive  -- that does not make me always correct -- but it does mean I have a very good idea of likely outcomes. :)

Hey,

Both Jay and Bill are right on.   They've paid their dues to be able to comment on which side is up and, to my knowledge, have not steered you wrong yet.   

LAMan's thoughts, earlier, whereby he said that you were not necessarily interacting with the woman, even though you had a taped message to you is spot on.    Something like that happened to me early on in my foray into international dating.

The simple fact is that this enterprise costs you time and money.   Those are two most valuable commodities when you are contemplating dating someone 5800 miles away.   You really can't afford to be wrong.

When I started on here I got my nose out of joint because someone with the moniker of Brasscasings burst my bubble on the gal that I thought was mine.   He was very matter of fact about it.   A year later we became good friends and he still teases me about it.

Chillax and know that nothing said on here is personal.   Most of the guys here are really nice and only a few of them intentionally try to make trouble.   But most of us have been down this road and if you get in the groove with the information given out you'll save both of those things I mentioned above:  Time and Money.

In the meantime, know you're among friends, not someone with an ax to grind.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 09, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
Totally agree Bill.  I do think that the cowboy was a key board fantasist.  I have also experienced usa and Ukraine hospitality.  So people in dc i have met me for 10 minutes and said don't stay in a hotel stay with us , here are the spare car keys use the car if it's on the drive , here are the keys to my house  help your self to any thing from the fridge but you are going to church with us on Sunday.  Now I'm a big believer in karma so I'm a safe Englishman but many are not .  Now take that attitude to Ukraine and wow you have a miss match.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 05:33:40 PM

DC -- I have some very fundamental philosophical disagreements with 2T  --  but not with anything he has posted in 'advice"  to you.

I do not necessarily agree on many points and attitudes 2T espouses -- but that comes down to personal style and different ways to go about  a"search"  and each of us will have all sorts of beliefs and prejudices that others will not share.

In the 2T posts --he mostly is handing out general advice -- and you can take it or leave it -the forum is littered with thread just like this -- and an OP getting upset.
My opinions  on your situation-- are in the threads -- and basically similar or same conclusion as 2T . My situation is current and ongoing and my experience extensive  -- that does not make me always correct -- but it does mean I have a very good idea of likely outcomes. :)
thank you for the helpful advice
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 05:42:06 PM
Sorry to all those involved, but seeking a spouse is very personal. I had a few glasses of wine, I am good. I understand you guys have my best interest in mind. I am hitting all of the commandments and will continue to verify she is honest over the he next six months. I know that there is a 99% chance she is a scammer but there is still a 1% chance she is a real person in a bad situation. We will see where this goes.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 09, 2019, 05:47:12 PM
So cowboy why are you not using what's app or Viber or Skype to chat with your miss Ukraine.  The Ukrainian I met and the Ukrainian I'm meeting on the 17 th were constantly what's apping me.
Title: Re: You will get all sorts of advice
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 05:49:31 PM
[Edit to add] I have a Hot Russian wife so I don't have to F#ck myself.
Bill, Please understand I just want the same thing!
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 05:54:49 PM
So cowboy why are you not using what's app or Viber or Skype to chat with your miss Ukraine.  The Ukrainian I met and the Ukrainian I'm meeting on the 17 th were constantly what's apping me.
maybe stupid of me but I am investigating. But she says no internet in war zone since 2015. She does not earn enough to pay for it. But I think I might do what boethius suggested, it would be a matter of not having coffee for a week and sending her $50 so trivial expense for me.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 05:59:05 PM
DC, most of the male posters here have made the same mistakes.  Bill was scammed, and has the t-shirt to prove it.  His name and photo were posted on a RW forum as a sex tourist, as he'd made the mistake of posting photos of himself with women he met on a WMVM trip.  So harsh as his message is, it is intended as a warning, and to help you, not to knock you down.

The better half is watching Russian news.  He asked me what I was typing.  I explained the last few posts.  His first comment, being from the culture, of the culture, but having rejected that culture, even before I met him, was, "Was she able to sell the flowers?  Probably - 8th of March".  There is a saying there that roughly translates to, "There is nothing to do if there is no money in the till.", which basically means, there's nothing to do with you if you can't be exploited.

If you want to know whether or not this woman is a scammer, go there.  Meet her.  There's a bus from Kharkiv to Severodonetsk every Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday (7.86 euros, but it's a long trip - 7 1/2 hours).  Or, hire a taxi for 2300 to 2600 hryvnia (double that for the foreign rate) for a 3 to 4 hour drive.  Or take a plane (this is from an online search of a Ukrainian airline, 229 hyrvnia one way, but I can't guarantee there actually is a flight, although it does show up online).  Determine if there is any connection between you.  Or send her $50 for a Viber connection and a little spending money.  You will then know, by whether or not she is willing to speak with you online, if she is sincere.

This post was composed with the aid of google in determining cost and availability of transportation.
I always appreciate your posting and perspective tell your spouse thank you
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Jamesukjames on March 09, 2019, 06:05:11 PM
Cowboy you are being scammed.   Get on f dating site do some real spade work.  May be you will find a nice woman on there who won't rip you off.  Sorry to say you come across as rather vunrable.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 09, 2019, 06:10:49 PM
Cowboy you are being scammed.   Get on f dating site do some real spade work.  May be you will find a nice woman on there who won't rip you off.  Sorry to say you come across as rather vunrable.
pm me this f dating site. Forgive me if I can't figure it out.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on March 09, 2019, 06:40:29 PM
I use Elena's www.elenasmodels.com

It is a subscription service so you aren't charged by the letter or by interacting.   Moreover, right away most women will move to Skype (or WhatsApp or Viber).   They will want to communicate with you away from the site.  I never cared for F Dating for the simple reason that it is free. 

I had found a higher quality of women on elena's than FDating.   I guess you get what you pay for.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: SteveInBoston on March 09, 2019, 06:43:28 PM
maybe stupid of me but I am investigating. But she says no internet in war zone since 2015. She does not earn enough to pay for it. But I think I might do what boethius suggested, it would be a matter of not having coffee for a week and sending her $50 so trivial expense for me.

That is very suspect - no internet/can't pay for it.

Unlimited data plan on vodaphone is only $7/month.  T's internet connection at her apt in Mariupol is $4/week, pay as you go.  She can get free internet at a cafe/restaurant and just order coffee or tea for $1.

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: JayH on March 09, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
it would be a matter of not having coffee for a week and sending her $50 so trivial expense for me.

It has often been discussed  what the real cost of a search is -- and numbers like $200K   are not ridiculous- and for me personally I always considered that there was a real $ cost involved . Sometimes spending a few bucks speculating and accepting that as a cost of getting to a reality is a lot cheaper than getting more involved.
 A few years back  the forum chat room flourished and a lot of info and discussion took place that people did not want to say in an open forum happened  -- and in cases like yours-- many times there was a fast solution .
One time -- a guy came clean that he had already tipped in over $20000  and was preparing to keep doing that.Eventually-he offered enough info for me to identify her . He was shocked( to say the least) that I actually knew her ( yes she was exceptional looking girl  & on the most notorious sites) and even more shocked with what I was able to tell him . Even then-he was only convinced after checking what I told him.
BTW -- he rebounded and 2 years later  married his fsuw dream  -- after being a lot smarter in the process.

Others have reacted to being told what they do not want to hear often enough -- but using that info -- not necessarily in totality -- can only help you.
 The right guy -- has a good chance to succeed . Note- that description is not everyone ! :)

 
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on March 09, 2019, 07:02:43 PM
It has often been discussed  what the real cost of a search is -- and numbers like $200K   are not ridiculous- and for me personally I always considered that there was a real $ cost involved . Sometimes spending a few bucks speculating and accepting that as a cost of getting to a reality is a lot cheaper than getting more involved.
 A few years back  the forum chat room flourished and a lot of info and discussion took place that people did not want to say in an open forum happened  -- and in cases like yours-- many times there was a fast solution .
One time -- a guy came clean that he had already tipped in over $20000  and was preparing to keep doing that.Eventually-he offered enough info for me to identify her . He was shocked( to say the least) that I actually knew her ( yes she was exceptional looking girl  & on the most notorious sites) and even more shocked with what I was able to tell him . Even then-he was only convinced after checking what I told him.
BTW -- he rebounded and 2 years later  married his fsuw dream  -- after being a lot smarter in the process.

Others have reacted to being told what they do not want to hear often enough -- but using that info -- not necessarily in totality -- can only help you.
 The right guy -- has a good chance to succeed . Note- that description is not everyone ! :)

I think it was $25,000 USD.   But who's counting when you're in love?   LOL.

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: ML on March 09, 2019, 07:58:46 PM
So depressing to see guys having so much trouble with a particular gal when the solution is so simple . . . do a WMVM (starting with MANY, MANY) and just drop off any who give you any trouble or concerns.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 09, 2019, 10:10:09 PM
That is very suspect - no internet/can't pay for it.

Unlimited data plan on vodaphone is only $7/month.  T's internet connection at her apt in Mariupol is $4/week, pay as you go.  She can get free internet at a cafe/restaurant and just order coffee or tea for $1.

Severodonetsk does have internet, but it’s very slow.  Those prices seem minimal to us, but in some regions of Ukraine, it’s not insignificant.

This post was composed with the aid of google.

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: SteveInBoston on March 10, 2019, 08:38:48 AM
Severodonetsk does have internet, but it’s very slow.  Those prices seem minimal to us, but in some regions of Ukraine, it’s not insignificant.

This post was composed with the aid of google.

Yes, it is not insignificant, but on the other hand it is not unaffordable. 

Provided she is real and sincere about dating internationally, it would be encouraging to see some investment for direct communication from her rather than just a few photos uploaded to a free site (for women) and passively waiting for messages now and then.

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 30, 2019, 08:38:43 AM
Just a update; So I did send money, 55usd, MoneyGram. She did find a Internet connection, she said it was at the translation service she uses. We talked in WhatsApp, short conversation only 5 minutes or so. Video kept freezing, but where able to see each other live. She said 55 was way too much, that it is a quarter of her monthly salary. She actually asked me to send less, if I send money again, 10usd would suffice. I'm assume from history on this thread that I am sure I will get told I am wrong. So have at it. Sorry for the cynicism.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: msmob on March 30, 2019, 08:44:29 AM
So depressing to see guys having so much trouble with a particular gal when the solution is so simple . . . do a WMVM (starting with MANY, MANY) and just drop off any who give you any trouble or concerns.

Just saw this

Unless you you can remember everything each lass says - DO NOT do it



Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 30, 2019, 08:50:26 AM
Yes, it is not insignificant, but on the other hand it is not unaffordable. 

Provided she is real and sincere about dating internationally, it would be encouraging to see some investment for direct communication from her rather than just a few photos uploaded to a free site (for women) and passively waiting for messages now and then.
she has investment, up to now she has paid for the translations.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 30, 2019, 09:15:37 AM
Did you tell her to use the money for English lessons?

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 30, 2019, 09:19:25 AM
she has investment, up to now she has paid for the translations.

"she has paid for translations'

Were you born yesterday? Wait don't tell me, she TOLD you she has paid for translations. Must be so then. (((


Let's see with my math, this girl makes~$16 usd per month, lives on this amount AND pays for translations???

Down the line, I expect her to start asking for money to pay for HER translations too. First she has to get you hooked. I expect that to be within 6 months. Now where did I get that ' 6 month figure'?


So, keep that money flowing......

BTW- I message and video at times with a couple girls in War Zone area. I guess they must be rich!!!
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 30, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
Over $200 monthly, not $16.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: ML on March 30, 2019, 09:25:39 AM
 She said 55 was way too much, that it is a quarter of her monthly salary.


Let's see with my math, this girl makes~$16 usd per month, lives on this amount AND pays for translations???

I have 'alternative' calculations.  Seems she makes about $220 per month.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 30, 2019, 09:30:41 AM
BTW- I message and video at times with a couple girls in War Zone area. I guess they must be rich!!!

Depends on the area they live in.  Video is not uniformly good in Ukraine.

My SIL won't video with my husband because of the cost.  They tried a few free sites, didn't work, and she is in Kyiv.  They do text daily.

My husband used to phone her, however, someone stole the metal from the phone line, so phones were out of service for 3 months.  They are probably back now, but they got into the habit of texting.

There was also a car bomb nearby.  Apparently, this is not unusual in Kyiv, when gangs cross each other.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: You will get all sorts of advice
Post by: 2tallbill on March 30, 2019, 09:33:39 AM
Bill, Please understand I just want the same thing!


Udachi!!

Bill
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 30, 2019, 09:36:55 AM
Yes per month, I guess I assumed that would a given.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: ML on March 30, 2019, 09:42:03 AM

My SIL won't video with my husband because of the cost.  They tried a few free sites, didn't work, and she is in Kyiv.


Boe, as you say connections vary greatly.

However, do both parties have Internet connections and mobile phones?

Spouse regularly video talks with several people in Kyiv on both Skype and Viber.
And she does the same with her parents in very small town in western Ukraine.

Not sure how Viber works even as I set it up for wife some months back.  Seems must have both Internet connection and a mobile phone.  Or maybe don't need Internet, but it can be put there also for an alternative route.

I suspect the experts here can clarify what I did, even as I don't remember.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 30, 2019, 09:46:47 AM
Yes, they both have connections and phones.  From her end, Viber video isn't free, but texting is.

The spotty connection DC referred to is common in lots of areas of Ukraine.  I experience that with relatives in Western Ukraine.  I can still chat, but it isn't clear.

ETA - My better half is beside me watching football (UK Premier league).  He says that Severodonetsk has 2Gs, so the connection from there would not be good.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 30, 2019, 10:19:31 AM
Boe, as you say connections vary greatly.

However, do both parties have Internet connections and mobile phones?

Spouse regularly video talks with several people in Kyiv on both Skype and Viber.
And she does the same with her parents in very small town in western Ukraine.

Not sure how Viber works even as I set it up for wife some months back.  Seems must have both Internet connection and a mobile phone.  Or maybe don't need Internet, but it can be put there also for an alternative route.

I suspect the experts here can clarify what I did, even as I don't remember.

Viber has desktop version so you use your computer but your account must be set up through a phone number. I don't think you can set up purely through a computer. Uses internet/wifi

I rarely ever use phone number to call to anyone anymore
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: LAman on March 30, 2019, 10:26:07 AM


ETA - My better half is beside me watching football (UK Premier league).  He says that Severodonetsk has 2Gs, so the connection from there would not be good.

 

Bo, I was in Kramatorsk last summer for a couple days ( and Isyum) and my connection is okay with WhatsApp using my Ukrainian number. I think there are many areas in Ukraine using only 2G.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Boethius on March 30, 2019, 04:55:35 PM
There are, and I can notice the difference in video chats.

DC, did she commit to use the money to communicate with you face to face?

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on March 30, 2019, 05:51:48 PM
There are, and I can notice the difference in video chats.

DC, did she commit to use the money to communicate with you face to face?

This post was composed without the aid of google.
yes, that is why she only wanted me to send enough for communication.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: msmob on March 30, 2019, 11:11:57 PM
Viber has desktop version so you use your computer but your account must be set up through a phone number. I don't think you can set up purely through a computer. Uses internet/wifi

One can setup a Viber (and WhatsApp ) account using a burner sim and and no id in some countries so do not take a account as being verification of someones true id...


I rarely ever use phone number to call to anyone anymore

Then how do YOU contact someone when they have no internet?  Lots of rural places in the FSU have voice coverage but not even 2G

Example..try contacting someone on a train journey.

I have a voIPI service with a Moscow number to allow SC to be contactable in such cases and she call use a RU free phone tel #  to call the RU bank from abroad...if she has internet coverage.

In the UK..I use the normal mobile phone network in perference as I get fed up with the 'reconnecting' pauses.

Often the viver/whatsapp issue is poor internet in the UK)
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: JayH on March 31, 2019, 02:07:17 AM

Then how do YOU contact someone when they have no internet?  Lots of rural places in the FSU have voice coverage but not even 2G

In the UK..I use the normal mobile phone network in perference as I get fed up with the 'reconnecting' pauses.


Well--   again an issue you don't get-- you mocked me previously on this very issue    --     I have paid subscription on SKYPE   and also a credit account on VIBER  --  that allow calls to the "normal" phone system. Problem solved  !

In Australia  -- I pay a flat $10 ( USD $7) per month for all calls and sms -- AND internet access.
In Ukraine --  same basic system  and about  the same cost .
In other countries --I get local sim that does much the same -- the aim is to always have internet access  .
Additionally -- I try and use free wi-fi as much as feasible  .

I use whatever is convenient and best at any given time  !

The quality of of the various systems does vary considerably--  even with supposedly quality internet - there are many factors.



Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: msmob on March 31, 2019, 02:54:12 AM
Well--   again an issue you don't get-- you mocked me previously on this very issue    --     I have paid subscription on SKYPE   and also a credit account on VIBER  --  that allow calls to the "normal" phone system. Problem solved

Duh...they require the internet your end, I can choose what telephone number to use..e.g Moscow, Kyiv, London, etc, and if you are MAD enough to pay their rates...more fool you..... 

Once again, JayH chooses to butt heads with someone who does comms stuff for a living...and proves his 'expertise'


In Australia  -- I pay a flat $10 ( USD $7) per month for all calls and sms -- AND internet access.
In Ukraine --  same basic system  and about  the same cost .
In other countries --I get local sim that does much the same -- the aim is to always have internet access  .
Additionally -- I try and use free wi-fi as much as feasible  .

Your last comment proves..once again..uour 'usefulness' to advise on comms.....Only an IDIOT uses free wifi ...

Using such a system opens up your mobile phone to allow hackers to get your vital and private data...((

I pay 10 GBP a month for a sim that gives me unlimited WhatsApp Viber Facebook chats and calls and internet access ..6gigs for browsing and calls in 73 countries...

When abroad, I point it in a MiFi device and it provides isecure nternet access for the laptop and phones..

If you value your privacy....ignore JayH

Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 26, 2019, 06:51:54 AM
Sorry to bring this thread up from the grave. But I wanted to give a update. In 9 months of communication with this lady I have only sent 300usd I figure that is less than what I spend in a month on gas. I have exchanged videos several times, video chatting is too choppy. We are planning a trip to Kiev this late summer. She is paying her own way. I will pay for the hotel. I have sent her a nice warm jacket. Which she received and sent a video modeling it. I have also paid for her English lessons as well. I think that is about it for updates. Full free to ask questions.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Patagonie on December 26, 2019, 07:36:56 AM
Sorry to bring this thread up from the grave. But I wanted to give a update. In 9 months of communication with this lady I have only sent 300usd I figure that is less than what I spend in a month on gas. I have exchanged videos several times, video chatting is too choppy. We are planning a trip to Kiev this late summer. She is paying her own way. I will pay for the hotel. I have sent her a nice warm jacket. Which she received and sent a video modeling it. I have also paid for her English lessons as well. I think that is about it for updates. Full free to ask questions.
Thank you to come her for the update.
First of all book a flat THREE KOMNATA. NOT an hotel. Else if she could hole up in her room and you will never know if the relationship could come closer. 
Use Dobovo 

I think you have already sent a LOT of money, this not about how cheap it is for you, but HOW EXPANSIVE it is for her. There are no reason for her to stop this game, if she is not genuine.
You have paid for internet and that was smart. English lessons, hummmh, to whom the money had be done? 
 
Change your plan and go to Kharkov where you can set up backups and find ladies if things don't work rather than Kiev. 

You should have already met this woman. Nine months is already too much, and planning a meeting in 8 additional months (9 + 8 months ) looks for me, excuse me; weird. As a woman I would have already activated other options. 

Ok you need to live your life and do your trip. But if things don't work you have to reset all to zero and take a map before to write to any lovely ass in the FSU. That's a basic.


Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 26, 2019, 08:25:18 AM
Thank you to come her for the update.
First of all book a flat THREE KOMNATA. NOT an hotel. Else if she could hole up in her room and you will never know if the relationship could come closer. 
Use Dobovo

Thank you for advice, unfortunately I have to stay in northern Ukraine. but will check into a flat.

I think you have already sent a LOT of money, this not about how cheap it is for you, but HOW EXPANSIVE it is for her. There are no reason for her to stop this game, if she is not genuine.
You have paid for internet and that was smart. English lessons, hummmh, to whom the money had be done?

How much would've you spent in dating a western women in the same time frame? 300usd only equates to 34usd a month. I sent her some money and She paid for English lessons.

You should have already met this woman. Nine months is already too much, and planning a meeting in 8 additional months (9 + 8 months ) looks for me, excuse me; weird.

I don't think weird. I have a friend who had a 8 year courtship with a foreign lady, and has now been married 4 years now, 12 years total.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Patagonie on December 26, 2019, 08:55:11 AM

Thank you for advice, unfortunately I have to stay in northern Ukraine. but will check into a flat.
 
How much would've you spent in dating a western women in the same time frame? 300usd only equates to 34usd a month. I sent her some money and She paid for English lessons.
 
I don't think weird. I have a friend who had a 8 year courtship with a foreign lady, and has now been married 4 years now, 12 years total.
This not how much about YOU sent, it's about how much SHE receives, that's very different. 
 
Dating for a long time is good and the way of success, but if you can, make frequent travels to her.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 26, 2019, 09:07:27 AM
This not how much about YOU sent, it's about how much SHE receives, that's very different.
Not sure what you mean? I sent it through money gram, directly to her. Are you talking about the value of the Money? 1 gallon Milk 75.71UAH = 3.26USD..... is that what you are talking about? OR is it that for 3.26USD it is worth a greater value? Or that she is only getting a percentage of what i send her? I cant imagine money gram taking a cut. Just trying to understand.
Dating for a long time is good and the way of success, but if you can, make frequent travels to her.
Definitely plan on that! Work got in the way this year, constantly being sent some where. But the coming year looks to be calmer.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: ML on December 26, 2019, 12:53:33 PM
Pat is right here.

He is trying to explain to you that the important thing is not the value of the money from your viewpoint, but rather from her viewpoint.

i.e. what might be a day's wages for you, might be a month's wages for her.

So while you don't think you have spent a lot on  her . . . she might be thinking that you are either (1) a generous reliable man or (2) an easy mark . . . all dependent on her sincerity.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 26, 2019, 01:58:18 PM
Pat is right here.

He is trying to explain to you that the important thing is not the value of the money from your viewpoint, but rather from her viewpoint.

i.e. what might be a day's wages for you, might be a month's wages for her.

So while you don't think you have spent a lot on  her . . . she might be thinking that you are either (1) a generous reliable man or (2) an easy mark . . . all dependent on her sincerity.
Ahh.. Makes cents.. She seems sincere with all considered, so lets hope it is (1), We will find out this summer.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Patagonie on December 26, 2019, 02:47:15 PM
Thank you ML to have provided the right explanation.
DCowboy, we try to put things in perspective sp you get the better possible protection.
But this can only happen if the guy who wants to try the FSU journey has some awarness, conscioussness. 
That's our job to setup this treshold. Some reach it and some don't, for various reasons.

So let me explain it to you,
Let imagine that you permanently  live in Alaska , very few girls, and you cannot almost move from there and you earn 5000$ per month, (45000$ in 9 months) and now a girl is giving you in cash and in gifts 30000$ last 9 months.
You could understand that this amount of money is maybe twisting for a while your willingness to continue or not continue this relationship? 

So now what happens when a lady is (if she has such job, in the war zone, not even sure) a job between 100$ and 200$ (more likely the wages that many women are getting there) and you bring to her let say a total net value of 1000$, compare to the let say 1000$ in 9 months she is paid as a teacher, do you understand that she is doubling her income, does it makes sense to you? And do you imagine what can people may tell her around in those difficult times in the war zone.   
Do you know that in those area many guys have enrolled the local milice, mainly because it was well paid (If I remember 300$) 
 
There has no attack from me, we hope this woman is totally genuine, many are...
But we want you to get the PERSPECTIVE. 
Sending money is not an INNOCENT game, it has some twisting way and so our job is to warn you about the pyramidal consequences that you are not about to get from the scratch. 
Because you start to give some money while there is NO relationship at this stage (correct me if I am wrong, maybe I am)

 
I never show photos of my house, my car, never write a sum about my money and assets in a relationship (a real with sex, several travels), I have only opened this to my ex wife for real.
You DON'T know in the beginning with whom you are dealing, local criminals can keep you in a basement for months while getting your cash every week with your credit card and the code you have gently given to them (if you want to not be beaten and eat in your basement). You really think that I am fool, it has already happened in such countries.
Be prudent.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: BillyB on December 26, 2019, 07:06:15 PM
In 9 months of communication with this lady I have only sent 300usd I figure that is less than what I spend in a month on gas. I have exchanged videos several times, video chatting is too choppy. We are planning a trip to Kiev this late summer.


By the time you meet her, you'd have spent a year and a half of your life on her. Hope it works out. I would've made a decision earlier to visit or abort. My time is worth more than money.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 26, 2019, 07:41:14 PM
By the time you meet her, you'd have spent a year and a half of your life on her. Hope it works out. I would've made a decision earlier to visit or abort. My time is worth more than money.
That is part of the award..... Right?
Title: Severodonetsk?? Risk/Reward
Post by: 2tallbill on December 27, 2019, 09:08:23 AM
That is part of the award..... Right?

Risk/Reward

The risk is that you arrive and there is no chemistry. It's happened to me.
I met a very sincere, very honest, very interested woman from Georgia.
We spent a very long time getting to know each other on the internet
and I arrive and poof, there isn't mutual chemistry.

The reward would have been great, we had built up all this interest and hope
and we really wanted everything to mesh and be beautiful, but it wasn't and
all that time, effort, energy and emotion was down the drain.

Since I was in Georgia getting another date with somebody else was really
difficult. It happened to me again and again.

I really hope that everything works out for you and wish you nothing but the
very best, but keep in mind that sometimes it doesn't. It happened to me in
St Petersburg, in Georgia and in Voronezh.

I was living in oil fields of North Dakota. I met a beautiful tall woman from
Voronezh and we both were sincere and hopeful and wanted it to work but
it didn't. We broke things off and I asked other women to have coffee or tea
with me. I was feeling sorry for myself but I thought that I would keep trying
so I met several different women that I was definitely not interested in and then
I met my Angel Eyes.

There are some mistakes that you've gotta make on your own to learn from
and there are other times that you can learn from the mistakes of others.
Mistakes that you make on your own are the costliest. They have the biggest
emotional impact. So many men go out make a bunch of mistakes and quit.
They don't pass go and they don't collect $200 dollars.
 
It's up to you on how much advice to accept and how much to ignore.

You can read the nine year journey, trials and tribulations of finding
the joy of my life and happiness by following the link below. 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.1250



Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: BillyB on December 27, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
That is part of the award..... Right?

If you find an outstanding woman, don't punish yourself by waiting a year and a half to see her. Most quality women that are in demand have choices and won't wait a year an a half for a man to make a decision. I read guys on this forum waiting a long time to see their girls who later disappear. One can only assume they got tired of waiting or another man showed up first.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk?? Risk/Reward
Post by: DCcowboy on December 30, 2019, 06:50:13 AM
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.1250



Udachi!

Bill
thanks Bill that is a great read! Very informative. It has given me alot to think about. Maybe I will try to get to Dnipro in March.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk?? Risk/Reward
Post by: DCcowboy on December 31, 2019, 06:57:29 AM
Any restrictions traveling from Severodonetsk to Dnipro?
Title: Re: Severodonetsk?? Risk/Reward
Post by: jone on December 31, 2019, 09:33:36 AM
Risk/Reward

The risk is that you arrive and there is no chemistry. It's happened to me.
I met a very sincere, very honest, very interested woman from Georgia.
We spent a very long time getting to know each other on the internet
and I arrive and poof, there isn't mutual chemistry.

The reward would have been great, we had built up all this interest and hope
and we really wanted everything to mesh and be beautiful, but it wasn't and
all that time, effort, energy and emotion was down the drain.

Since I was in Georgia getting another date with somebody else was really
difficult. It happened to me again and again.

I really hope that everything works out for you and wish you nothing but the
very best, but keep in mind that sometimes it doesn't. It happened to me in
St Petersburg, in Georgia and in Voronezh.

I was living in oil fields of North Dakota. I met a beautiful tall woman from
Voronezh and we both were sincere and hopeful and wanted it to work but
it didn't. We broke things off and I asked other women to have coffee or tea
with me. I was feeling sorry for myself but I thought that I would keep trying
so I met several different women that I was definitely not interested in and then
I met my Angel Eyes.

There are some mistakes that you've gotta make on your own to learn from
and there are other times that you can learn from the mistakes of others.
Mistakes that you make on your own are the costliest. They have the biggest
emotional impact. So many men go out make a bunch of mistakes and quit.
They don't pass go and they don't collect $200 dollars.
 
It's up to you on how much advice to accept and how much to ignore.

You can read the nine year journey, trials and tribulations of finding
the joy of my life and happiness by following the link below. 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.1250



Udachi!

Bill

To add in to what Bill wrote, chemistry, and the ability to live together, make up everything.  The pressure on your part to accept the woman, regardless of foibles, is tremendous because of the time and money invested into the relationship.   The personality traits, upon living together, may be totally different than she displays in conversation.   Yet, here you are.  You've dedicated a portion of your life to her, already.   Are you going to walk away?  Or are you going to try and make it work, even though the warning signs are there?

This is a mistake many men make in trying to create a relationship through WhatsApp.   It is compounded by the longer you talk to her on the internet yet do not meet her in person.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 31, 2019, 11:19:10 AM
I don't need "I told you so" but just found her photo and number blacklisted as a scammer. But try and try again. I will continue my search. Good bye Ms. Severodonetsk. I will look for another Ukrainian lady.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on December 31, 2019, 02:16:05 PM
out of curiosity, WHY didn't you spend your Christmas holiday in Ukraine?
you could've arranged this online with travelocity and airbnb in about 10 minutes...
if Rudy Guliani can go to Ukraine, surely it will be OK for you to go!!!
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: BillyB on December 31, 2019, 02:46:44 PM
found her photo and number blacklisted as a scammer.


Back in March you thought there was a 99% chance she was a scammer. Now we're at 100%. Some guys post emails they receive from potential scammers. Some of the experienced guys here can identify a scammer easily if you posted an early email. We've saved lots of guys time and money. Scammers fake being a damsel in distress but they can't fake being a sincere woman. They don't have enough experience to properly act like a sincere woman.

I will look for another Ukrainian lady.


Write to hundreds or thousands of women. You might find a gem who is into you. The communications you will have with a real woman who's into you is a lot different and better than the communication you had with that scammer. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Don't lose a good chunk of your life on a person you never met again.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 31, 2019, 03:59:53 PM
DC, next time don't spend so much time romancing on the internet. When you find a lady your interested, get on a plane as soon as possible. If she gives excuses as to why you should not meet her in her home city, move on. Also, have a backup plan in case the lady and you do not connect or she just disappears when you arrive.


Don't spend so many months communicating.....
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on December 31, 2019, 05:38:31 PM
look man, forget about all the shortcuts...
there are a huge number of different demographics in Ukraine...
if you want to skip women of child bearing age
then you can look at women in their late 30s to early 40s...
if you think you can handle a woman with a child then you can drop down into the late 20s...

I have a couple of hundred women in this category on VK...
and I have about 100+ younger sex goddesses....

my motivation for learning “promotion" in the Russian market demographic for young women is to learn how to sell them cosmetics and coffee
your motivation is “pooty-tang", ain’t nothing wrong with that
but IT IS the same group

I do group video chats with my Russian viber contacts on my iphone while walking around my gated community in North Houston, and we talk about politics or I do it when I am fishing in the gulf of Mexico, I get a huge number of fans most of whom are Russian women!!!

the more Russian you speak the better, so invest the time and effort in this, the pay-off will be HUGE!

BUT...
you have to have something INTERESTING for the Russian ladies to gawk at!!!
that’s why some random American dewd walking around his rich neighborhood while chatting with random Russians on the internet is a good attraction for a bunch of them to eavesdrop on and even chat with in real time...

I am trying to convince my oldest daughter to do a utube Russian comedy channel with me
with my own comedies that I write...
I will get a gazillion Russian hits if I did this,

like this one...

30 second video brought to you by Krimskaya Kaffe

I dress up like a bum, and I walk into a Moscow McDonald’s and walk right up to a garbage bin
I have concealed in my coat pocket, a half eaten cheeseburger
I hide it in the palm of my hand then quickly reach my hand into the garbage, and withdraw it
but now with the half eaten cheeseburger is prominently displayed on the tip of my fingers
so it looks like I just pulled it out of the garbage
then...
with everyone in McDonald’s looking at me, and going “ewwwwwwwwwww”
I EAT the cheeseburger!
end of 30 second video



Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 31, 2019, 08:11:39 PM
out of curiosity, WHY didn't you spend your Christmas holiday in Ukraine?
you could've arranged this online with travelocity and airbnb in about 10 minutes...
if Rudy Guliani can go to Ukraine, surely it will be OK for you to go!!!
work reasons, needed to cover project while my coworker took a vacation in Italy.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 31, 2019, 08:28:22 PM
Back in March you thought there was a 99% chance she was a scammer. Now we're at 100%. Some guys post emails they receive from potential scammers. Some of the experienced guys here can identify a scammer easily if you posted an early email. We've saved lots of guys time and money. Scammers fake being a damsel in distress but they can't fake being a sincere woman. They don't have enough experience to properly act like a sincere woman.

Write to hundreds or thousands of women. You might find a gem who is into you. The communications you will have with a real woman who's into you is a lot different and better than the communication you had with that scammer. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Don't lose a good chunk of your life on a person you never met again.
I guess this strike two. Thank you for the advice.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on December 31, 2019, 08:41:40 PM
DC, next time don't spend so much time romancing on the internet. When you find a lady your interested, get on a plane as soon as possible. If she gives excuses as to why you should not meet her in her home city, move on. Also, have a backup plan in case the lady and you do not connect or she just disappears when you arrive.


Don't spend so many months communicating.....
thanks hammer I plan on it this year was difficult with work.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Patagonie on January 01, 2020, 02:16:48 AM
Back in March you thought there was a 99% chance she was a scammer. Now we're at 100%. Some guys post emails they receive from potential scammers. Some of the experienced guys here can identify a scammer easily if you posted an early email. We've saved lots of guys time and money. Scammers fake being a damsel in distress but they can't fake being a sincere woman. They don't have enough experience to properly act like a sincere woman.

Write to hundreds or thousands of women. You might find a gem who is into you. The communications you will have with a real woman who's into you is a lot different and better than the communication you had with that scammer. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Don't lose a good chunk of your life on a person you never met again.


Scammers fake being a damsel in distress but they can't fake being a sincere woman. They don't have enough experience to properly act like a sincere woman 
Well said  ;D   :ROFL: Write to hundreds or thousands of women. You might find a gem who is into you. 
ONLY IF YOU CAN BUY A PLANE TICKET IN A MAXIMUM DELAY OF TWO MONTHS IMHO. AND IF I WERE THE WOMAN I WOULD ASK YOU TO SHOW THE TICKET BEFORE ANY TALKING   
 
in your case for the moment don't make any search and DON'T write.
And before writing try to figure out where she is living.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on January 01, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
yo boyz,

look, whatever you do, just don’t look boring!
and don’t dress boring when you go over...

so, if your real name is “Bob” and you work in accounting and you’re a middle-aged dewd, how do you think you’re gonna come across to the ladies?
you want to come across in a different way than that!
so you have to create something

here’s a weird trick I thought up one time, that got me over 20,000 likes on VK!!!
I use two iphones for this trick!
one iphone is running an app called “Periscope” which is a live video streaming app
and another is a Russian video chat app called viber
I run these both together, so people who are watching the livestream can chat with me in real time!

the last time I did this was with my Russian friend Dimitri who just bought a new Tesla model 3 4 door and was taking me for a test ride to visit another Russian Friend who lives in “downtown” Houston, we even had the car on auto-pilot for about 20 minutes...

our dialog was mostly in Russian....
just a few minutes of two middle-aged dewds driving in a tesla while talking about politics and business and various Russian gossip got 20,000 likes!
sweet!
if I were single, I could EASILY have pulled the contacts of a few hundred nice lookin’ Russian wimmin just from that one episode...
if I did this on a weekly basis, I'd have an ENORMOUS number of contacts!
with that many contacts, I could go to ANY city in Russia and have 100 female contacts with their photos
24 hours after I landed at the airport, I wouldn't be alone....
it would be that EASY!

it's a virtual world
imagination
that is your creation

forget about lookin at the purty pictures of wimmin at agencies
and paying some middle-man to write to them
if you do that...
then you are living in denial
about "what's REALLY going on"
OK?

narrow is the path...
and the gate is hard to see and open
but whoever can see and open the gate
will enter paradise




Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: IvanM07 on January 02, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
I don't need "I told you so" but just found her photo and number blacklisted as a scammer. But try and try again. I will continue my search. Good bye Ms. Severodonetsk. I will look for another Ukrainian lady.

As others said could be just that someone posted her number for any number of reasons. If you had the time I'd say still give it a meet since you'd already planned it out but definitely start looking for alternatives when in Kiev. Shouldn't be difficult. I used Fdating as well, also tried cuteonly and never went anywhere but Fdating did every time.
 
I would have ran a background check on her before sending the cash though. Several PI's that do that if you want to verify info (Name, Age, Criminal Records, Job, Married/Divorced, Kids) It's worth that initial $50 to pull that than to spend the $300 and then spend the next few months wondering or looking for signs that Validate/Invalidate. I've done it for everyone I went or was intending to see.

Personal experience here talking and others will say I'm wrong but generally just stay away from Eastern Ukraine and Odesa. The further west you go the more they speak English as an additional benefit.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on January 02, 2020, 04:04:08 PM
As others said could be just that someone posted her number for any number of reasons. If you had the time I'd say still give it a meet since you'd already planned it out but definitely start looking for alternatives when in Kiev. Shouldn't be difficult. I used Fdating as well, also tried cuteonly and never went anywhere but Fdating did every time.
 
I would have ran a background check on her before sending the cash though. Several PI's that do that if you want to verify info (Name, Age, Criminal Records, Job, Married/Divorced, Kids) It's worth that initial $50 to pull that than to spend the $300 and then spend the next few months wondering or looking for signs that Validate/Invalidate. I've done it for everyone I went or was intending to see.

Personal experience here talking and others will say I'm wrong but generally just stay away from Eastern Ukraine and Odesa. The further west you go the more they speak English as an additional benefit.

I am not in favor of using a P.I.   It is my belief that you will know, in advance, the salient features of the relationship.  Or you don't.   And you shouldn't go.   At some time in the future, you may establish a relationship with someone and she learns that you investigated her.   I just don't believe she would be happy knowing that.

It is pretty easy to determine who is a scammer and who isn't.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: msmob on January 02, 2020, 04:08:09 PM
Only a Total WACK-JOB uses a P.I ..

They'll take you're money and feed you BS


Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: IvanM07 on January 02, 2020, 04:55:17 PM
I am not in favor of using a P.I.   It is my belief that you will know, in advance, the salient features of the relationship.  Or you don't.   And you shouldn't go.   At some time in the future, you may establish a relationship with someone and she learns that you investigated her.   I just don't believe she would be happy knowing that.

It is pretty easy to determine who is a scammer and who isn't.

It is, but some people want more answers and evidence and to make a choice with as much information as possible.

Only a Total WACK-JOB uses a P.I ..

They'll take you're money and feed you BS

Two possibilities Exist, Either you used one and were scammed. Or you didn't use one but heard from a guy who knew a guy it didn't work.

In my Case all 3 times they worked, and had excellent information that I wouldn't have known about the family and Education and Work History. Get with the times, everyone is in some Database.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: rwd123 on January 02, 2020, 05:04:00 PM
Write to hundreds or thousands of women. You might find a gem who is into you. 
ONLY IF YOU CAN BUY A PLANE TICKET IN A MAXIMUM DELAY OF TWO MONTHS IMHO. AND IF I WERE THE WOMAN I WOULD ASK YOU TO SHOW THE TICKET BEFORE ANY TALKING   
 
in your case for the moment don't make any search and DON'T write.
And before writing try to figure out where she is living.
I'd add to this by having a second trip planned 3-4 months later if things go well (though writing 3 months out may be ok if you're 100% going to travel).

So if you're not jumping on a plane before the end of March, I'd suggest you delete any international dating profiles you have.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: krimster2 on January 02, 2020, 05:10:58 PM
omg!!!
are you freakin crazy!!!
you are seriously contemplating a PI?

that’s a tool in your dating arsenal is it?
clearly you are going to be a big danger to yourself and others...

you came to a scammer feeding ground my friend...
and now you are contemplating getting another scammer to help you deal with the first one...
let me just say this gently to you...
NO!!!

you are doing this all wrong!!!
don't you understand that?
people are trying to sell you shortcuts and scam you
but somehow you think that if you are smarter than them
you can outwith them!!!

no!!!
the only way to win, is to not play in the first place!!

PS
the SBU is my PI in Ukraine, and the GRU in Russia...
they charge for their services!!
never needed it for a woman, only business associates
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: jone on January 02, 2020, 05:15:06 PM
Thank you, Dr. Stephen Falken.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on January 02, 2020, 06:36:55 PM
Good evening gentlemen, after a conversation with my friend in Lynchburg, Tennessee. I am sticking to EM and following the theory of wmvm. I am getting another account on EM and contacting several.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Hammer2722 on January 02, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Good evening gentlemen, after a conversation with my friend in Lynchburg, Tennessee. I am sticking to EM and following the theory of wmvm. I am getting another account on EM and contacting several.


There are better free sites you can use you know. Fdating comes to mind and there are others as well.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: DCcowboy on January 02, 2020, 06:59:46 PM

There are better free sites you can use you know. Fdating comes to mind and there are others as well.
good to know. I will run it by my friend in Lynchburg. Lol
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: IvanM07 on January 02, 2020, 07:06:48 PM

There are better free sites you can use you know. Fdating comes to mind and there are others as well.

Would also 2nd Fdating, as well as listening to Hammer, he's been very helpful since I started out about 2 years ago. Tried EM and CuteOnly and Fdating seemed to work best.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: Davo on January 02, 2020, 07:22:59 PM
As others said could be just that someone posted her number for any number of reasons. If you had the time I'd say still give it a meet since you'd already planned it out but definitely start looking for alternatives when in Kiev. Shouldn't be difficult. I used Fdating as well, also tried cuteonly and never went anywhere but Fdating did every time.
 
I would have ran a background check on her before sending the cash though. Several PI's that do that if you want to verify info (Name, Age, Criminal Records, Job, Married/Divorced, Kids) It's worth that initial $50 to pull that than to spend the $300 and then spend the next few months wondering or looking for signs that Validate/Invalidate. I've done it for everyone I went or was intending to see.

Personal experience here talking and others will say I'm wrong but generally just stay away from Eastern Ukraine and Odesa. The further west you go the more they speak English as an additional benefit.

Even fdating has been infiltrated by scam profiles from the war zone. I’ve seen first hand accounts of this in recent weeks and they claim the same fictional issues with their phones and internet.

I wouldn’t be visiting the women, man or even criminal group. This is 100% a scam. A genuine FSU woman who’s serious will move heaven and earth to call and video chat regularly. The only ones that don’t are scammers in my experience.

The guys above have given great advice.... Fdating is all you need to find genuine women and be successful. Fdating is where you find your real social value and attractiveness to FSU women, where paid sites you are always guessing .... good luck 🙂
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: BillyB on January 02, 2020, 07:30:12 PM
I will run it by my friend in Lynchburg. Lol


Your friend Jack Daniels has been known to get many men in trouble. Use a variety of sites, free and paid. You never know where you're going to find your future Mrs. Jack Daniels Mrs. DCowboy.
Title: Re: Severodonetsk??
Post by: msmob on January 03, 2020, 06:32:36 AM


Two possibilities Exist, Either you used one and were scammed. Or you didn't use one but heard from a guy who knew a guy it didn't work.

Or I KNOW this area, speak the lingo well enough to do my own 'checking' in a chat with the lady - without the need for a 'terp and recognise a chap - who should listen to those who know, better


In my Case all 3 times they worked, and had excellent information that I wouldn't have known about the family and Education and Work History. Get with the times, everyone is in some Database.

You were fed what they allowed you ...