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« on: September 27, 2015, 03:45:48 PM »
I had been putting this type of news in the Iran thread, because they are slightly linked.
I asked but nobody answered so I am starting a new thread. If the mods want to throw
this back into the Iran thread, I don't have a problem with it. I just thought that the Russian
and Syrian connection had more relevance to the forum than a members only discussion
about the Iranian deal.

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Russian/Syrian connection.
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2015, 03:48:35 PM »


Russian 'visitors' receive warm welcome in coastal Syria
By Sammy Ketz


Latakia (Syria) (AFP) - In a hotel lobby in the Syrian coastal city of Latakia, five
muscular Russian men sit around two small tables, scowling and fiddling with their
mobile phones.

"We are visitors, that's all," one of them says, his back covered in tattoos including
a large cross.

Asked to be more forthcoming, another member of the group signals they do not
want to be disturbed.

A manager at the hotel, where Syrian families were gathered to celebrate the Muslim
holiday of Eid al-Adha, is equally terse.

"I'm not allowed to tell you that there are Russians here, but you can tell they're not
tourists. They say they are freight pilots. The only tourists we have here are Syrians,"
he says.

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2015, 03:52:35 PM »
Does everybody see that there could be a problem with giving these different groups
American weapons?


U.S.-trained Syrian rebels gave US military equipment to Nusra


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Syrian rebels trained by the United States gave some of their equipment to the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front in exchange for safe passage, a U.S. military spokesman said on Friday, the latest blow to a troubled U.S. effort to train local partners to fight Islamic State militants.

The rebels surrendered six pick-up trucks and some ammunition, or about one-quarter of their issued equipment, to a suspected Nusra intermediary on Sept. 21-22 in exchange for safe passage, said Colonel Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, in a statement.

"If accurate, the report of NSF members providing equipment to al Nusra Front is very concerning and a violation of Syria train and equip program guidelines," Ryder said, using an acronym for the rebels, called the New Syrian Forces.

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2015, 03:54:22 PM »
Russian Planes Transport Weapons, Humanitarian Aid to Syria, Moscow Says
Foreign minister, however, denies any escalation of Russian’s military presence in Syria


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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2015, 04:04:33 PM »
Long time Syrian ally Russia is intervening in Syria. What do you think that the US
should do (or not do?)

Personally, I think that team Obama/Hillary/Kerry destroyed any potential relationship
with Syria and that we should let Russia help the dictator take out ISIS. The recent US
ineptitude in the entire region during Obama's reign has turned the entire region into
death, disaster and destruction.

I am positive that John Kerry's read on the situation is 180 degrees in the wrong direction. 

Syria sees Russia game changer, US-trained rebels enter fray

Damascus (AFP) - Syria predicted Sunday that Russia's growing military role will prove
a game changer in the fight against jihadists, as 75 rebels trained under a beleaguered
US programme entered the fray.

US Secretary of State John Kerry, by contrast, said Moscow's support for the regime in
Damascus only risked sending more extremists to conflict-wracked Syria and could
further hamper peace efforts to end the country's years-long civil war.

"More important than the supply of arms to Syria is Russia's participation in the fight
against Daesh and (Al-Qaeda franchise) Al-Nusra Front," Syrian Foreign Minister Walid
Muallem said, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State (IS) jihadist group.

Muallem, quoted by Syrian media in an interview with Russia Today television, said
Moscow's increased role would "show up America's lack of a clear strategy" against the
jihadists.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has provided vital support to his Syrian counterpart
Bashar al-Assad throughout the armed revolt against the Damascus regime that erupted
in 2011.

Moscow argues that any military support is in line with existing defence contracts, but
reports have surfaced this month of secret deployments to Syria, where Russia has a
naval facility.

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2015, 04:09:37 PM »
Putin calls Saudi king to discuss Syria conflict

Moscow (AFP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke to Saudi Arabia's King Salman
about finding a solution to the Syria crisis on Saturday, just two days before he is due
to address the UN on the issue, the Kremlin said.

In a telephone conversation at Russia's behest, the two men "exchanged views on
regional security matters, first and foremost, in the context of finding ways to settle
the conflict in Syria", a statement posted to the Kremlin's website said.

They also discussed "building more effective international cooperation in the fight
against the so-called Islamic State and other terrorist groups", it said.

A decades-long backer of the Damascus regime, Moscow has steadfastly supported
President Bashar al-Assad throughout four-and-a-half years of war which have killed
more than 240,000 people.

Saudi Arabia is part of a US-led coalition that began an air campaign against IS in
Syria last September, and insists it will never cooperate with the Assad regime.

On Monday, Putin will address the General Assembly in New York to outline his plan
for Syria, notably the idea of expanding a coalition, which would include Assad's army,
to fight Islamic State.

He will also meet US President Barack Obama on the sidelines of the gathering, their
first formal talk in two years.

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2015, 04:16:24 PM »
Vladimir Putin of Russia to Focus on Syria at U.N.
By NEIL MacFARQUHAR New York Times

Where is President Putin’s focus?

In the weeks leading up to the United Nations gathering, Mr. Putin caught the world
by surprise by ordering an escalation of Russian military aid to Syria.

Mr. Putin announced that the delivery of major weapons — including warplanes,
helicopter gunships and armored vehicles to the Syrian military, along with more
Russian forces — was the first step toward forging a grand international coalition to
confront the Islamic State.

The basic idea is that the international community should provide the support necessary
for ground troops deployed by President Bashar al-Assad and other regional players.
Western and other regional governments have emphasized that they want to see
Mr. Assad gone.

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2015, 04:16:37 PM »
Russian Buildup in Syria Raises Questions on Role
By MICHAEL R. GORDON and ERIC SCHMITT New York Times
LONDON — Russia’s military buildup in Syria now includes surface-to-air missiles as
well as combat aircraft with air-to-air capability, deployments that raise “serious
questions” about Moscow’s role in the region, Secretary of State John Kerry said
Saturday.

Russian officials have said that the purpose of the buildup at a base near Latakia,
Syria, is to combat the Islamic State.

But the deployment of air defense systems and fighter aircraft — weapons that can
be used against a conventionally armed foe but that have little utility against extremist
fighters — has spurred concerns that Moscow’s goal is also to establish a military
outpost in the Middle East.

It has also added to the Pentagon’s worries about the risk of an inadvertent
confrontation between Russia’s military and the American-led coalition that is
carrying out airstrikes in Syria against the Islamic State.

“Clearly the presence of aircraft with air-to-air combat capacity” as well as
“surface-to-air missiles raise serious questions, which is precisely why Secretary
Carter talked with the Minister of Defense of Russia Shoigu yesterday,” Mr. Kerry
said, referring to Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Russia’s defense minister,
Sergei K. Shoigu.

At the White House’s direction, Mr. Carter began a dialogue Friday with Mr. Shoigu
aimed at ensuring that American and Russian aircraft avoid unintended incidents as
they operate over Syria.

While Mr. Kerry did not provide details, an American official, who requested anonymity
because he was discussing intelligence reports, said that a Russian SA-22 air defense
system was already in place at Latakia. The United States had observed elements of
the system at the base in the last week, but now the launcher and the missiles it fires
are there, too, the official said.

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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2015, 04:19:07 PM »
Obama makes forceful defense of new UN development goals;
Syria war pushes toward center stage

By CARA ANNA, Associated Press

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — President Barack Obama on Sunday committed the U.S. to
a new blueprint to eliminate poverty and hunger around the world, telling a global
summit that a sweeping new development agenda is "not charity but instead is one
of the smartest investments we can make in our own future."

It was the first of two addresses Obama is making at the United Nations. His second
on Monday morning, to the annual U.N. General Assembly of world leaders, will be a
broader examination of world issues, especially the ever-more complicated conflict in
Syria and the related refugee crisis.

As Secretary of State John Kerry put it after a meeting on the sidelines Sunday, "It
would be a complete understatement to say that we meet at a challenging time."

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2015, 04:21:44 PM »
With Putin in the limelight, edgy UN awaits clarity on Russia's Syria move

NEW YORK — Russian President Vladimir Putin will steal the limelight at the United
Nations General Assembly, which kicks off tomorrow. He is scheduled to address his
fellow leaders Monday morning, shortly after President Barack Obama and Chinese
President Xi Jinping. In recent years, Obama has absorbed absorb the lion’s share
of international attention. But this is Putin’s first appearance at the U.N. for a decade,
and diplomats are on tenterhooks to hear what he has to say.

Many expect him to lay out new proposals over the conflict in Syria. Russia has thrown
the U.S. and its allies off-balance by deploying aircraft and attack helicopters to support
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in recent weeks. Moscow has also been lobbying Western
powers and regional players such as Saudi Arabia to put aside their hatred for Assad, and cooperate in a fresh campaign against the radical armed group the Islamic State in Iraq
and the Levant (ISIL).

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2015, 04:25:54 PM »
Sixty Minutes is broadcasting tonight an interview conducted with Putin about Syria and other current topics.

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2015, 07:45:33 PM »
While Putin is running circles around Team Obama Ineptitude 

Obama who couldn't care less what is happening with ISISor Syria
has been working on his global warming agenda instead.

Obama to Press Growth, Climate Issues at U.N.


President Obama spoke at a United Nations meeting on global development concerns on Sunday.


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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2015, 09:15:03 PM »
I had been putting this type of news in the Iran thread, because they are slightly linked.
I asked but nobody answered so I am starting a new thread. If the mods want to throw
this back into the Iran thread, I don't have a problem with it. I just thought that the Russian
and Syrian connection had more relevance to the forum than a members only discussion
about the Iranian deal.

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Russian/Syrian connection.


From what I've read/watched, the USA is actively supporting a very small minority group in Syria...Russia is more supportive of Assad who has been their Allie. ISIS is on neither of those two sides.   Now it shall be interesting to see how the whole scene plays out from here.   


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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 01:03:47 AM »
The USA has been wrong on Syria from the beginning of the Obummer debacle almost 8 years ago. That idiot, and I apologize to idiots everywhere for lumping him into their fine brotherhood, wouldn't know foreign policy if it passed him on the street.

Frankly, the USA and Russia would have gotten along better, and perhaps had a platform to speak frankly to each other on other issues, if the USA had joined Russia in concern for the rapidly dying minority Christian and other non-Muslim civilizations in the Middle East.

Sadly, the USA created much of ISIS by accident. Because we wanted to control an outcome without our own boots on the ground, we spread weapons around like candy to so many splinter groups that it just got out of hand. Not only did we supply weapons (while we refuse to supply Ukraine), we bankrolled many of those groups that evolved into ISIS cells. That was very likely what Benghazi was all about. We stupidly played with fire, and unfortunately got burned.

Mr. Putin is going to protect what he believes are Russian interests in the region. While I may not agree with his approach, it is his right as a leader to attempt to do so.

Naturally, Putin will use his time at the UN to take folks minds off of Ukraine. Stepping up the war in Syria gives him a boost in prestige at home, but more importantly provides cover for zinc caskets returning home. No matter where a boy is killed--the Kremlin can say that the young man died as a hero defending Orthodox Christians in Syria. It also takes Ukraine off the radar of the average Russian citizen.
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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2015, 06:14:54 AM »
The USA has been wrong on Syria from the beginning of the Obummer debacle almost 8 years ago. That idiot, and I apologize to idiots everywhere for lumping him into their fine brotherhood, wouldn't know foreign policy if it passed him on the street.

Obama's foreign policy was a disaster from the beginning, and 7 years later with see the dismal results.  And who was leading the point for the first four years?  That would be the Democratic candidate Hilary Clinton.  The debates with the Republican nominee will reveal her failings.  However, 50% of Americans will not care because she represents the Democratic party, and the Democratic Party gives free stuff.

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  Frankly, the USA and Russia would have gotten along better, and perhaps had a platform to speak frankly to each other on other issues, if the USA had joined Russia in concern for the rapidly dying minority Christian and other non-Muslim civilizations in the Middle East.

Sadly, the USA created much of ISIS by accident. Because we wanted to control an outcome without our own boots on the ground, we spread weapons around like candy to so many splinter groups that it just got out of hand. Not only did we supply weapons (while we refuse to supply Ukraine), we bankrolled many of those groups that evolved into ISIS cells. That was very likely what Benghazi was all about. We stupidly played with fire, and unfortunately got burned.

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Mr. Putin is going to protect what he believes are Russian interests in the region. While I may not agree with his approach, it is his right as a leader to attempt to do so.

He will assert it is proper because it protects a legitimate government.  He will contrast it with the aftermath of Arab Spring in  Libya

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Naturally, Putin will use his time at the UN to take folks minds off of Ukraine. Stepping up the war in Syria gives him a boost in prestige at home, but more importantly provides cover for zinc caskets returning home. No matter where a boy is killed--the Kremlin can say that the young man died as a hero defending Orthodox Christians in Syria. It also takes Ukraine off the radar of the average Russian citizen.

Do you believe Russian troops will engage ISIS on the ground?

Military deployments in Syria cost money, requiring the government to print more roubles.  More inflation coming to Russia.
 


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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2015, 07:03:04 AM »
Given how we took out Libya's leader, we probably would have done the same in Syria if it were possible.  Why did the the USA think they needed to provide weapons and try to make an overthrow of Assad happen?  I wonder what the REAL reason was.


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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2015, 07:50:46 AM »
Given how we took out Libya's leader, we probably would have done the same in Syria if it were possible.  Why did the the USA think they needed to provide weapons and try to make an overthrow of Assad happen?  I wonder what the REAL reason was.


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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2015, 09:46:27 AM »

Why don't you ask King Salman that question?

Now you are getting to something that carries much weight.  To quote Tom Friedman three weeks ago, Saudi is creating as much turmoil in the Middle East as Iran. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/opinion/thomas-friedman-our-radical-islamic-bff-saudi-arabia.html?_r=0



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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2015, 10:50:19 AM »

Why don't you ask King Salman that question?
Saudis accidentally droned/killed 40 at a wedding in Yemen today...women iand children included....not the first time. Let's see if there is the proper outrage.  I doubt it. 

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2015, 11:37:28 AM »

From what I've read/watched, the USA is actively supporting a very small minority group in Syria...Russia is more supportive of Assad who has been their Allie. ISIS is on neither of those two sides.   Now it shall be interesting to see how the whole scene plays out from here.   


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USA has been supporting various groups most of which have left the fight and some
of which have gave or exchanged US weapons with ISIS or Al-Qaeda. ISIS or Al-Qaeda
are Sunni and Assad is Shia. ISIS will kill Shiites or anyone who isn't their exact flavor
of Islam.

ISIS and Iran-backed Shia militias are on a collision course

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-to-iraq-were-ready-to-help-you-more-against-isis-2015-5
http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-to-iraq-were-ready-to-help-you-more-against-isis-2015-5
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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2015, 11:45:13 AM »
Given how we took out Libya's leader, we probably would have done the same in Syria if it were possible.  Why did the the USA think they needed to provide weapons and try to make an overthrow of Assad happen?  I wonder what the REAL reason was.


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The US has blundered in this for sure. We should have never tried to take out the leaders
of Libya, Egypt or Syria. Egypt was Sunni and Libya and Syria were Shiite. So team
Obama/Clinton/Kerry has blundered with all sides.

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2015, 11:55:02 AM »
USA has been supporting various groups most of which have left the fight and some
of which have gave or exchanged US weapons with ISIS or Al-Qaeda. ISIS or Al-Qaeda
are Sunni and Assad is Shia. ISIS will kill Shiites or anyone who isn't their exact flavor
of Islam.

ISIS and Iran-backed Shia militias are on a collision course

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-to-iraq-were-ready-to-help-you-more-against-isis-2015-5
http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-to-iraq-were-ready-to-help-you-more-against-isis-2015-5


I understand we have been incompetent in many respects, but 500 million dollars for a training program that winds up with 54 graduates of which 5 are still fighting a couple months later?  That is ridiculous.  I wouldn't doubt it if much of the money/weapons was funneled to ISIS...with a wink-wink.... I can't believe our govt could be THAT incompetent to allow for 500 million to evaporate, so I think it was intentional,and they are just playing the role of 'silly me',in an effort to cover their tracks....




http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/16/only-4-to-5-american-trained-syrians-fighting-against-the-islamic-state/

There are only four or five American-trained Syrian rebels currently fighting against the Islamic State, the top general leading the effort to build a force to counter the militant group in Syria said Wednesday.

The tiny number of fighters are part of the New Syrian Force, the byproduct of a $500-million-dollar train and equip program that was launched officially in December to train moderate Syrians to fight the Islamic State.

The remarks by Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, head of U.S. Central Command, angered members of the Senate Armed Services Committee who said the program is a failure.....



Another question is, why was it SO important for us to get involved and exacerbate Syria's internal problems to begin with?  Clearly we aren't getting much of the truth from our govt.  Just the usual  'Assad must go', although now it appears we are backing way off that statement.
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I just happened to be browsing about the internet....

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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2015, 12:17:40 PM »

I understand we have been incompetent in many respects, but 500 million dollars for a training program that winds up with 54 graduates of which 5 are still fighting a couple months later?  That is ridiculous.  I wouldn't doubt it if much of the money/weapons was funneled to ISIS...with a wink-wink.... I can't believe our govt could be THAT incompetent to allow for 500 million to evaporate, so I think it was intentional,and they are just playing the role of 'silly me',in an effort to cover their tracks....

I had assumed that it was 54 groups 5 of which are still in the fight rather than 54
individuals 5 of which are still in it. I can't think of another situation that makes sense.

Team Obama is incompetent for sure by spending millions training groups who are
no longer on our side and hopefully most of them aren't fighting against our interests.
Evaporating $500 million? that sounds exactly like this administration.




Another question is, why was it SO important for us to get involved and exacerbate Syria's internal problems to begin with?  Clearly we aren't getting much of the truth from our govt.  Just the usual  'Assad must go', although now it appears we are backing way off that statement.
Fathertime!

Exactly!

Why do we need to get involved with Syria's crap? Assad is more than happy to fight
these guys. Why have we been undermining him? just because he is a ruthless dictator?
Let the ruthless b@stard deal with them.

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Re: The Russian/Syrian connection thread
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2015, 12:25:21 PM »
USA has been supporting various groups most of which have left the fight and some
of which have gave or exchanged US weapons with ISIS or Al-Qaeda. ISIS or Al-Qaeda
are Sunni and Assad is Shia. ISIS will kill Shiites or anyone who isn't their exact flavor
of Islam.

ISIS and Iran-backed Shia militias are on a collision course

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-to-iraq-were-ready-to-help-you-more-against-isis-2015-5
http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-to-iraq-were-ready-to-help-you-more-against-isis-2015-5

As Henry Kissinger said about the Iran/Iraq War, "it's a pity that both sides can't lose".

 

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