The most efficient way of Dating for Everyone

[Trenchcoat]

So a lot  of options exist for trying to find someone, but which is the most efficient? Could a more efficient method be developed than those that exist at present?

Looking online last night I found many women on their profiles obviously fed up with guys that write but never come, want online porn, etc. Now of course there are men that will write but decide that she was not for him but another girl or decide to visit another girl or suddenly find a girl at home, etc, etc. So I don't think all of it is just guys messing around as it may look. There are of course likely many guys that waste a girl's time and vice versa. That's even before any meeting to establish chemistry.

So what are forum members thoughts for cutting through the cr*p for both sides and getting that which works efficiently for both sides?

[msmob]

You've had ( ALL) this explained - you simply start threads - to see you through the night shift and journey to from work

[Trenchcoat]

You've had ( ALL) this explained - you simply start threads - to see you through the night shift and journey to from work

I don't mean me, this is about the greater good here, I mean everyone involved in dating. I ask not for the reasons you state but because it seems an obvious point that the current dating methods, particularly online dating sites aren't delivering for a lot of people on both sides.

[GQBlues]

Meeting women always worked well for me regardless of where...not sure why there needs to be a strategy.

[SteveInBoston]

Actually, that is the best strategy.  Meet women.  Don't not meet women.  Don't meet men, unless that is your thing. 

[krimster2]

Trench,

by more or less following this approach I have 54,000+ followers on Vkontakte on just one fanpage

in your case, take some hobby or interest of yours and make a bi-lingual Russian/English web site with lots of your pics...
add a VK widget on this web site
create your VK fanpage for this website
exchange posts with other VK fanpages
create additional fanpages that promote your main fanpage
use SEO to get high position on VK and Yandex search results
Learn how to use viral marketing


about 10% of my 54,000 followers on VK are single women 18-40...
about 1/4 of that would be considered eye candy

so basically, I have the profile, pics, and viber contact for over 1,000 hot looking women in Russia and Ukraine
who CONTACTED ME because they're interested in my web site!

I’m using my Vkontakte pages for commercial purposes and not as a chick reconnaissance tool, but obviously, I could....

for chick reconnaissance, the next step would be to have viber chats and exchange pics and regular night time chats and then sexting...
and THEN go visit!!!!
and you are more or less GUARANTEED of success my brother in this situation...

if you spoke Russian
you can have group chats and you can talk to your followers
or go to other fanpage group chats and troll for fans

my goal is to get this particular fanpage up to 100,000 total fans
I’m running it as a marketing experiment for a business I’m working on with my daughter
but it's trivial to adapt this as a tool for meeting Ukrainian or Russian women....

if you saw the top pics on my VK/Viber contacts you'd be in shock



BUT...
this method requires A LOT of effort,
and y'all seem like you're averse to that
and seem more comfortable with whatever is the easiest, simplest thing to do....
so some type of agency is probably as far as any of you will ever get...

as far as the difficulty of meeting women once you're over there
when I used to live over there
I would make "contact" with at least 10 beautiful women EVERY DAY whether it was Kyiv or Sevastopol
contact would mean eye contact, followed by greeting and short conversation about weather politics, etc while waiting in line at the market or street light, etc...
if I wasn't married, 100% of these women would've accepted an invitation to my home...
I had more than one woman get angry that I DIDN'T invite them home after a few minutes conversation....

[JohnDearGreen]

So a lot  of options exist for trying to find someone, but which is the most efficient? 

There is no one way for everyone.  Ignore the methods of most other guys.   Consider the method of others with similar traits to yourself.  I know little about you, but my guess is your best method would be a period of 2 to 3 months of emails and phone calls with the lady(s) before attempting a meeting.   Forget about impromptu encounters on the street.   Most likely, none of the other men in your threads followed that type of method, including me (most of the time).

[BillyB]

What are the chances your dream girl will come knocking on your door and say "Hello ___(insert name), I'm your dream girl and I want to F you."?  Is there a proven strategy to increase your chances of making that happen? No. Go out and date as many women as you can. It's going to cost money but you'll improve your chances on finding your dream girl.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench,

by more or less following this approach I have 54,000+ followers on Vkontakte on just one fanpage

in your case, take some hobby or interest of yours and make a bi-lingual Russian/English web site with lots of your pics...
add a VK widget on this web site
create your VK fanpage for this website
exchange posts with other VK fanpages
create additional fanpages that promote your main fanpage
use SEO to get high position on VK and Yandex search results
Learn how to use viral marketing


about 10% of my 54,000 followers on VK are single women 18-40...
about 1/4 of that would be considered eye candy

so basically, I have the profile, pics, and viber contact for over 1,000 hot looking women in Russia and Ukraine
who CONTACTED ME because they're interested in my web site!

I’m using my Vkontakte pages for commercial purposes and not as a chick reconnaissance tool, but obviously, I could....

for chick reconnaissance, the next step would be to have viber chats and exchange pics and regular night time chats and then sexting...
and THEN go visit!!!!
and you are more or less GUARANTEED of success my brother in this situation...

if you spoke Russian
you can have group chats and you can talk to your followers
or go to other fanpage group chats and troll for fans

my goal is to get this particular fanpage up to 100,000 total fans
I’m running it as a marketing experiment for a business I’m working on with my daughter
but it's trivial to adapt this as a tool for meeting Ukrainian or Russian women....

if you saw the top pics on my VK/Viber contacts you'd be in shock



BUT...
this method requires A LOT of effort,
and y'all seem like you're averse to that
and seem more comfortable with whatever is the easiest, simplest thing to do....
so some type of agency is probably as far as any of you will ever get...

as far as the difficulty of meeting women once you're over there
when I used to live over there
I would make "contact" with at least 10 beautiful women EVERY DAY whether it was Kyiv or Sevastopol
contact would mean eye contact, followed by greeting and short conversation about weather politics, etc while waiting in line at the market or street light, etc...
if I wasn't married, 100% of these women would've accepted an invitation to my home...
I had more than one woman get angry that I DIDN'T invite them home after a few minutes conversation....

Yeah I'm guessing there are probably a lot of FSW that use VK groups, fan pages, etc, as some form of entertainment in the evenings when they get home. A bit like Instagram or Twitter maybe.

My thoughts to present are that either Tours or staying over in the FSU a while and calling up a lot of women one after another is what I'm thinking at the moment as the most efficient. I say that in terms of seeing whether there is chemistry up front and the girl's being single and looking for a WM presumably. Tours of course have had a bit off a uncertain reputation of course. Other possible thought is that teaching English to the right age group may bring up FSW but that can turn up all sorts presumably.

[msmob]

I don't mean me, this is about the greater good here, I mean everyone involved in dating. I ask not for the reasons you state but because it seems an obvious point that the current dating methods, particularly online dating sites aren't delivering for a lot of people on both sides.

Wow,

'the greater good' 

You've already asked this question a dozen different ways ..

You just won't listen


You've already had more 'clues' ... hint - socialise with women at home - built friendships with women at home - try to understand them

YOU should not try dating until you have women friends - YOU will keep failing until you stop blaming women for all YOUR failings


Until you can 'date at home' - you're never goingh to date in the FSU with anyu success

[Trenchcoat]

Wow,

'the greater good' 

You've already asked this question a dozen different ways ..

You just won't listen


You've already had more 'clues' ... hint - socialise with women at home - built friendships with women at home - try to understand them

YOU should not try dating until you have women friends - YOU will keep failing until you stop blaming women for all YOUR failings


Until you can 'date at home' - you're never goingh to date in the FSU with anyu success

You are obviously the one not listening as you misunderstand the question and don't realise it's not about me but the dating game in general. Keep up Mobers.

[msmob]

You are obviously the one not listening as you misunderstand the question and don't realise it's not about me but the dating game in general. Keep up Mobers.

I understood,

The YOU(s)  - in upper-case - were a clue as to the personal advice for YOU - lest you thought otherwise

[Gator]

Most efficient way has just two rules:

         1.  Show up
         2.  Act normal

 

[ML]

Most efficient way has just two rules:

         1.  Show up
         2.  Act normal

Where is the fun in acting normal ?

And is the measure:  Normal with respect to the larger population, or normal with respect to one's own typical behavior?

[Boethius]

Trench, you are looking for shortcuts that don't exist.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

[krimster2]

Trench,

poverty is your first problem
lack of experience is your second problem
how to get contacts is your third problem
what to do once you have contacts is your fourth problem

go and develop your problem solving skills....
if you throw yourself into the water
you will learn to swim
just like all the other swimmers did...

stop thinking, there's some magic formula
when what you really need are better problem solving skills and/or motivation for solving your problems

[Gator]

Where is the fun in acting normal ?

And is the measure:  Normal with respect to the larger population, or normal with respect to one's own typical behavior?

The former, at least in the eyes of a FSUW.  Difficult for me as I tilt away from normal. 

[Trenchcoat]

Well at the moment I'm back messaging women, one I gave found seems to line up pretty well with me on paper. A long profile write up and a lot of things in common moreso than a lot of other women I have come across doing this thing. I've got to say I'm more naturally a Visit One sort of guy. I just don't tend to find the numbers of women on FSU Dating websites that seem to line up well with me one way or another. I would of course meet many if I was out there long term, but on a flying visit I tend to struggle to get the numbers for it. That said I don't have much faith in the Visit One method as it seems a real stab in the dark. Hence from my situation/perspective not an efficient process necessarily.

[msmob]

Matey,

No 'dating regime' is going to be 'for you' ...

..until you 'wise up' and spend more time around real women - in a day to day existence

[krimster2]

Trench,

look man, here’s what ya do...

setup a business on ebay and amazon.uk that sells “stuff from Ukraine”
it could be anything...
knock on doors of Ukrainian manufacturers and see if you can flip their products
on your store
or work with Ukrainian artists
or any other thing you choose
there are many different approaches to finding a “product line”
but go and find one
and start selling it

after this, now you have a “revenue stream”
then make more streams and make the streams wider...

now use your business contacts in Ukraine to meet wimmin....

horrosho?

keep in mind, that most of Ukraine is going to collapse in a couple of years and become part of Russia

but, guys with life rafts will make some amazing rescues off that sinking ship
y’hear me?

good luck to ya Trench!
six weeks from now I'm gonna spend a whole day at Rasputin's...
you will not freaking believe it, but in the back, they have a salon with nude hair stylists who give a razor shave and hair trim for $200 + tip
WORTH IT!!!

a completely naked blond massaging your temples and scalp with her erect nipples pressed into the back of your neck
EXTREMELY relaxing, you feel like falling into a deep, deep slumber....

[Faux Pas]

Well at the moment I'm back messaging women, one I gave found seems to line up pretty well with me on paper. A long profile write up and a lot of things in common moreso than a lot of other women I have come across doing this thing. I've got to say I'm more naturally a Visit One sort of guy. I just don't tend to find the numbers of women on FSU Dating websites that seem to line up well with me one way or another. I would of course meet many if I was out there long term, but on a flying visit I tend to struggle to get the numbers for it. That said I don't have much faith in the Visit One method as it seems a real stab in the dark. Hence from my situation/perspective not an efficient process necessarily.

I don't follow any thread for the most part and initially I thought those hammering you just enjoyed dealing out abuse. I'm beginning to understand now why they do. You have some hair brained idea that there is a magic process or potion that is going to make you more desirable to women in your pursuit. There isn't. You are what you are. There is no process that is going to make a difference for you in obtaining your goal.

I'm going to try one more time to break it down for you. There are no short cuts. It is boy meets girl just as it is at home. You come across as extremely socially awkward. You have to work on that. There's no better place to do that than at home. it's certainly cheaper.

If you must persist in this pursuit I refer you again to "boy meets girl". Communicate with 1, 10 or 100 women that interest you. Online, on the phone, txt, whatever site or app you chose. When and only then, you find one that interest you mentally, emotionally, sexually and physically then, go visit them and let nature take it's course. If it happens it happens. If it doesn't take your tired Forrest Gump ass back home and try it again. There is a woman somewhere on this earth for you. I do believe that but, you ain't going to find her on this forum incessantly flapping your gums, asking the same question 100 different ways and looking on this forum.

Find the woman you want or think you want. Charm her, dine her, romance her and make her yours. That is how it works the world over. None will fall to the ground spreading their legs for you because you visited their city. Some folks are just destined to be alone their entire lives. You are likely one of them

[Trenchcoat]

I'm hearing ya Krim I think you have a lot better take on all of this FSU stuff than a lot of guys on here.

I was thinking over what you said and I think you are right! Particularly for me, I don't have the traction some guys have, some guys can go out on a VO and if it falls through have another girl lined up, maybe several; I would struggle. I need two things, one a way of accessing more single women and two gaining better traction with them by increasing my desirability. Your idea on the website & VK fan page approach Accomplishes those two things and perhaps more. In that respect it is potentially a far more efficient method especially for a guy that doesn't score well like me to get the job done, potentially. Otherwise I don't think the odds for a guy like me and perhaps many others are good on these online dating sites. Just speculatively if you factor in all the stuff that reduces you're chances these websites don't come out well, maybe for a guy that looks the deal they do but for many everyday guys I think they fall short.

Your most recent idea here is also good Krim, I can see where you are coming from, if you're buying in goods you're an 'important client/businessman' and you're star will rise among many UW that come to notice. The bigger picture he order the more important no doubt. Like you do it's an idea that can potentially roll into the first one. At the moment I'm a bit short on storage space and time for it but I can see what you're getting at.

I must tell you Krim that your first idea has now really caught me on fire. At first I was gormless as to what I could possibly do, but it came to me about an hour or so back and I think it's a real cracker of an idea that could work real well and pay off! I'll contact you later to let you know what I'm considering once I've got a bit of research done Very much appreciate your input on this Krim

Its kind of funny Krim but maybe it could quite turn out that the most efficient method of dating is not actually a dating method, lol.

Faux Pas, I appreciate your advice but I fear it now may be all a bit back in the day and end up a excise in Thanks for making the effort anyway You may be right about the single thing but I would rather play it Krim's way on this I think.

[krimster2]

"Its kind of funny Krim but maybe it could quite turn out that the most efficient method of dating is not actually a dating method, lol."

BINGO!!!!!!
DING!!! DING!!! DING!!! DING!!!

your moment of Zen, cherish it...
sure PM me your idea, I'll critique it for ya, don't cha' worry about that...
do it before I go to Moscow in August, cuz after that I won't be thinkin straight for at least a month or two...

[Jamesukjames]

Trench it's so simple internet site .  Message.   Go visit.  It's not rocket science.   So if you are struggling there must be a reason.  My guess is you are over 40 and trying to  date a woman without kids.  Reason a woman has not got kids either she is very picky or crazy or infertile.   So you are fishing in dangerous waters.  Single mothers with cheating husbands are very common a much bigger and nicer pool to fish in.

[2tallbill]

So a lot  of options exist for trying to find someone, but which is the most efficient?
Could a more efficient method be developed than those that exist at present?

The internet has really made searching far more efficient.

Looking online last night I found many women on their profiles obviously fed up with guys that write but never come, want online porn, etc. Now of course there are men that will write but decide that she was not for him but another girl or decide to visit another girl or suddenly find a girl at home, etc, etc. So I don't think all of it is just guys messing around as it may look. There are of course likely many guys that waste a girl's time and vice versa. That's even before any meeting to establish chemistry.

You don't put yourself in the time waster category? Your income is too low to
have a realistic chance for a FSUW and a family with kids.

However, my advice is to write something on your profile indicating that
you will travel to the FSU within 30 days and subtract a day each day
and see how much clutter that cuts out.

There are of course likely many guys that waste a girl's time and vice versa. That's even before any meeting to establish chemistry.

So what are forum members thoughts for cutting through the cr*p for both sides
and getting that which works efficiently for both sides?

You are too cheap to hire help, so you would have to manage it yourself. Go to
the Pursuing FSUW 101 and read my thoughts about doing a meet many trip.
Don't do some sort of idiot hybrid system where you write many women for
months and then try to visit a bunch of them. It will blow up in your face.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Rinse and repeat until you find a girl who LIKES YOU and KNOWS that you
are as poor as a church mouse. That is the type of girl you need to find for
this to work.

Udachi!

Bill