Business problems with Communist and Socialistic Economies

[krimster2]

"The capitalist managerial class can't throw you into prison or kill you if you don't obey them
or if you publicly or privately disagree with them."

only because our constitution and legal system makes that almost impossible here
how nice was the capitalist system during the period when the US had slavery and slaves weren't protected
so whatcha talkin bout white man?

[2tallbill]

so BEEL, christianity and islam, have no relevance to today's problems
how profoundly...wrong you are

It has nothing to do with communist vs capitalist economies. Don't misstate my arguments,
oh wait. You can't argue with anyone unless you lie about what they are saying.

viva libertad!!!
phuque all the masters
gimme my Hammer and sickle to promote worker solidarity between factory and farms
we SHALL overcome, and we already are!!!

You want everyone to be a slave to different masters, than the imaginary ones that
exist in your mind.

viva libertad!!!

gimme my Hammer and sickle to promote worker solidarity between factory and farms
we SHALL overcome, and we already are!!!

Ask those who followed Mugabe about stealing the farms. You would starve more people
than Pol Pot.

viva libertad!!!
nothin you can do BEEL
the time has come
Trump made this happen much faster than it normally would've
he sped up our time table by 10 years

Who is our?
Sped up what exactly? 

Do you know Trump was president for 4 years. The Earth did not crash into the Sun. The apocalypse didn't happen.

[Boethius]

But it wasn't, and I don't think it's fair to make people who have already paid theirs off subsidize
people who might have driven flashier cars or had bigger houses than the first group and still
have debt.

For me it's similar to "raskulachivanie" in early Soviet Union where the peasants (kulaki) who worked
hard, made sacrifices and simply had a nicer house and things were forced to give it all away
to those who had less.

Now in the future I would agree to a public higher education system paid by government but
it's not fair now to those who have paid already being hard working and responsible to forgive
debt of those who enjoyed their life more and haven't paid especially if they went to 50K/year
colleges instead of the state schools.

As the husband used to say to me, incredulously, when I was much younger-“You’re 30x years old and still contemplating life being fair?”

It’s easier in Canada, as the good universities are all state sponsored and started by government.

[2tallbill]

"The capitalist managerial class can't throw you into prison or kill you if you don't obey them
or if you publicly or privately disagree with them."

only because our constitution and legal system makes that almost impossible here
how nice was the capitalist system during the period when the US had slavery and slaves weren't protected
so whatcha talkin bout white man?

Luckily the Republicans defeated the Democrat leftists once again, AND they didn't stop 
with the civil rights acts of the 1960's. They won't stop with school choice for poor kids.
They won't allow the left to stop free speech that they don't approve of.

[olgac]

It’s easier in Canada, as the good universities are all state sponsored and started by government.

Yes I know there are countries with more social programs than we have and they also have
free speech and don't abuse their citizens

[krimster2]

"Do you know Trump was president for 4 years. The Earth did not crash into the Sun. The apocalypse didn't happen."

yes, it was ONLY a $7 trillion deficit, greater than the combined deficits of the first 200 years of our nation, including world wars and vietnam and korea
and his own medical experts estimated Trump's mishandling of the pandemic caused more deaths than America had in WWI
and half his staff goin to jail, for crimes commited against the American people and the first insurrection since the civil war
and these are just the highlights
round #2 is project 2025, which is corporate America's blue print of using Christain Nationalism to make America completely Fascist so the billionaires are free to grab as much as they can
utopia for the billionaires means dydtopia fer the rest of us

you make staw men to attack, how challenging that must be, to both create them and then tear them down
if Marx is irrelevant, why does Faux News keep mentioning him?
even contemporary Socialist Economists like Thomas Piketty are discussed relative to Marx

so BEEL...yur tired...you should lay down and rest

BEEL, I can't discuss "OUR"
the first rule of "The People's Will" is nobody talks about "The People's Will" aka Narodnaya Volya

when Trump loses...putin's tone will change....

the only question is, will it be this summer or the following one...
The Summer of Novichok and Necropolis-by-the-sea

[olgac]

Trump also put conservative judges into Supreme Court and this is why women lost the right to abortion

my husband says he is really missing the republican party the way it used to be. Just fiscally conservative
without those christian moralistic wackos and conspiracy theorists. I think the switch was around the time of the Tea Party.
I think we are becoming more libertarian. I have always like Ayn Rand

[krimster2]

Trump has destroyed the Republican party, it's his party now, and he's the Titantic that's gonna hit an iceberg next week
and take them all down with him

I will pop the cork on a bottle, and toast the plotocracy's demise!!!
oh, the humanity...
let those MFers all drown

Marxists view class struggle as "the central fact of social evolution"
and view the struggle's resolution in favor of the working class to be inevitable under plutocratic capitalism.
that's WHY Kamala is destined to win!!!

then get rid of anti-democratic gerrymandering, electoral college, and voter suppression, and pass the DREAMER Act
shrink the plutocracy down to a size that it's small enough to drown in a tub of water
then the plutocracy will be like slavery, an unfortunate event in our past, that we overcame

Comrad Krimster District Leader of Narodnaya Volya and coordinator with The Soros Foundation
and Zionist Provocateur

a bear jew who eats rednecks and russians with paprika and pepper
you mess with me, and I will totally hamasify yur ass


PS
back in the 80s there was a futuristic sci-fi movie called "Screamers" about Autonomous. weapons ambushing people
the ACTUAL whine of a drone's propellers is almost the exact sound effect used in the movie
I wouldn't be surprised if they start callin Kamikazee drones "screamers"

[2tallbill]

Trump also put conservative judges into Supreme Court and this is why women lost the right to abortion

my husband says he is really missing the republican party the way it used to be. Just fiscally conservative
without those christian moralistic wackos and conspiracy theorists. I think the switch was around the time of the Tea Party.
I think we are becoming more libertarian. I have always like Ayn Rand

I have always been very libertarian. I do see morals and liberty as interconnected. I believe it's immoral to
take your liberty away, silence you, your opinions or for anyone to force their beliefs upon you. If that makes
me a kook then so be it.

I never liked Trump. I did not vote for him in any previous election or the primaries. I voted for him the first
time during last weeks in early voting in Texas.

[2tallbill]

Trump also put conservative judges into Supreme Court and this is why women lost the right to abortion

my husband says he is really missing the republican party the way it used to be. Just fiscally conservative
without those christian moralistic wackos and conspiracy theorists.

It's the conspiracy nuts vs the super woke who will go to your place of work to try to get you fired if
you don't agree with them. Children (not adults) getting sex changes. Teenage boys playing on the
girls basketball team.  Tampons in the boys bathrooms for 9 year old.

Which is worse? Which is better? Krim says Kammy and I say the Trumpster. It's not a good choice.
The GOP has trotted out some real losers. At least the Bush/Cheney forever war dogs seem to be
gone (for now).

[krimster2]

Laissez-faire would be fine for a pre-industrial  frontier society of a few million people
but there is no such thing as a free market in the era of monopolists which started 150 years ago with the "Robber Barron's"

the War Production Board is what created Boomer America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Production_Board


Kamala is just an evolutionary step
20 years from now, the USA will have a different economic system then it has today
the new system will be born of a future conflict

the old dollar will be replaced by the Digital Amero which will elininate tax evasion and other crimes, becuz all transactions are visible and traceable
instead of "Leave It To Beaver" yur gonna watch, "Leave It To Bautista"

Señora Cleaver, Me gusta mucho ese vestido que llevas!!!!  English subtitle, "Mrs Cleaver, I really like that dress you have on"

aiiii... yi, I am the Frito Bandito!!

[2tallbill]

Laissez-faire would be fine for a pre-industrial  frontier society of a few million people
but there is no such thing as a free market in the era of monopolists which started 150
years ago with the "Robber Barron's"

Why don't you go back to find a working Marxist communist government instead of silly
references to pre industrial Laissez-faire. They haven't had a Laissez-faire government
since before WW-1.  You bring up problems with capitalism before the civil war and just
after. It's more recent than Charles Dickens, but it's totally irrelevant to capitalism today.

You promote something that has never worked in human history.

the War Production Board is what created Boomer America

No it didn't, It was dissolved in 1945. You blather about unrelated things. I'm a boomer.
something that existed from 1942-1945 did not create boomer America. Are you trying
to say dumb things (it's working).

[krimster2]

The Federal government built Hoover Dam for $50 million
The organisation went on to be independent, you've probably heard of it, it's called Bechtel...
oh my socialism

massive government spending in WWII and the War Production Board, is what GAVE you Boomer America, not the capitalists who took advantage of it
the capitalists are the ones who outsourced Boomer America to China and India
the capitalists are the ones who cut their taxes to get a bigger piece of pie, while shrinking the share everyone else gets
and the Debt Bomb they created will blow up the whole world

but freedom, and Davy Crockett ya say, well good luck to you Gringo!!!!

[2tallbill]

Kamala is just an evolutionary step
20 years from now, the USA will have a different economic system then it has today
the new system will be born of a future conflict

the old dollar will be replaced by the Digital Amero which will elininate tax evasion and other crimes, becuz all transactions are visible and traceable

Trump will lose according to you leading Kamel Toe to Armageddon. Your drug addled dystopian future is tied
to Kamel Toe Harris. Somehow Trump is making it worse for her in your brain. 

[2tallbill]

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A program is not an economy. You can say the same thing a thousand times, yet can't find a single functioning,
Marxist economy in the history of the world. Zero, none, nada, never ever. 100% failure every time by every
single one. The end you lose.

[krimster2]

can you find a single True Christian in the world?
you? HAHA
I guess, Christianity is impractical, and so, shouldn't be bothered with, right?

an ideal doesn't exist in reality
marxism is an ideal
UK has a labour party, that's Marx, right there....
Germany has The Social Democratic Party" there's Marx there to
AFL-CIO, oh my, more Marx
social security, is Marxist
"A Night At The Opera" even more Marx, but Groucho


so I answered yur riddle
we are ALREADY part way down the path of socialism
i'm merely an advocate for completing the journey

you don't understand what i'm trying to tell ya, so ya wanna mock me
the way pilate mocked Jesus
Ecce Homo back at ya

Kamala is just a stepping stone
and not the shoreline
armegeddon will not happen in her terms

The big global depression of the 2030s will be followed by a global world war in the 2040s
the coming depression and war will redefine our economy, even our currency and everything else

all prophets are cursed, you think I want this job, I don't....

hey, go ahead and pretend, that the future will be just the same ole familiar place if it makes ya feel all safe and warm
the roaring 20s were great....
but what came after....
THIS is what i'm talking about

after the shitstorms have passed, the only way out, is to hit the RESET button
and THAT'S EXACTLY what's coming in about 20 more years

you live in what will become the old world
and the old world is gonna fall away
and be replaced by the new world
and you will be replaced as well

I was gonna tell all you rednecks all the DETAILS of what's in store for ya...
but I changed my mind, and will remain silent
the mockers condemened themselves to their fate
let the dead bury the dead

my drug addled perceptions are a blessing
a demon lives inside me, his name is RAGE
he came after all the beatings and mental torture I was given
to turn me into a reliable servant to serve my masters
the drugs make him sleepy
and when he sleeps he doesn't hurt anyone
so I don't carry the guilt for what he does

drugs are NOT BAD
for someone like me, it's either drugs or prison
and I REALLY, REALLY like drugs, especially the ones I make myself
to tickle my neuro-receptors into a nice slumber

you have no idea of how much "bad stuff" I'd be doing if I wan't sleeping half the time, resting in the realm of morpheos

[olgac]

It's the conspiracy nuts vs the super woke who will go to your place of work to try to get you fired if
you don't agree with them. Children (not adults) getting sex changes. Teenage boys playing on the
girls basketball team.  Tampons in the boys bathrooms for 9 year old.

Yes the woke and the INfamous "squad" are just as bad

[2tallbill]

can you find a single True Christian in the world?
you? HAHA
I guess, Christianity is impractical, and so, shouldn't be bothered with, right?

Who cares? Why get bothered about something that you aren't interested in. Does it bother you?

an ideal doesn't exist in reality
marxism is an ideal
UK has a labour party, that's Marx, right there....
Germany has The Social Democratic Party" there's Marx there to
AFL-CIO, oh my, more Marx
social security, is Marxist

Those are programs. You are backing off your silly claims, that's a step in the right direction.
The USA needs a safety net, I'm for a safety net, aren't you. Did you think that I want old
people to eat dog food? I'm not for that.

you don't understand what i'm trying to tell ya, so ya wanna mock me

You are back tracking which is good. I have no desire to cause you additional grief that's not
what I do.

Udachi

Bill

[krimster2]

no backtracking, yur strawman is worthless nonsense
if you had ACTUALLY read Marx, and knew what yur talkin about
you'd see as I have pointed out to you, that Marxist ideas are EVERYWHERE
WTF ya talkin 'bout Homey, AFL-CIO is a "program"??? wtf does that even mean?
The AFL-CIO (National Union) is step 2 on the road that Marx described as leading to socialism
the next step that Marx spelled out for us,  is to turn the AFL-CIO into a political party, like the Labour Party in the UK

yes, BEEL the virtuous, doesn't wanna inflict any pain on me....
BEEL, you haven't...not even a nanogram
cuz all yur arguments come straight off of Breibart, or whatever you rednecks watch now-adays
and is total nonsense that sounds good ONLY to uneducated rednecks

you can't convince me the earth is flat, and that monstors will git ya
and whatever other superstitious nonsense you spout

it's too late...
yur side already lost, you just don't realize it yet
but you will...

[2tallbill]

it's too late...
yur side already lost, you just don't realize it yet
but you will...

KrimMoby,

You might be right the election is very close. I am not making a prediction this time.

Unlike you, I know how to use the quote feature. Don't say you haven't preached for
full on Marxism, then today say that you only meant unions and stuff. You know
what crap you've spewed out in the last month machinegun spewed in every
thread on the forum.

You've pointed out ancient problems with capitalism that has been fixed for over a
hundred years in most cases. None of the problems you complain about have existed
in your lifetime. 

 

[krimster2]

whad ja say...sniff...?

[olgac]

To be fir I think he mentioned outsourcing as one problem and it does exit today.

[2tallbill]

To be fir I think he mentioned outsourcing as one problem and it does exit today.

To be fair he also claimed that full on Marxism was the way to go. Then he backed off
and claims he was only spouting off about unions and social security. He claimed that
the entire boomer economy was the result of a three year program that ended in 1945.

He says a lot of crap that is ridiculous, then he back tracks as if he didn't throw his
crap sandwich across every thread on the forum.

[krimster2]

BEEL....
don't have a cow man!!!

the problem is, you have no freaking idea what Marxism is....
you conflate it with totalitarian communism
it's a spectrum, and not black and white, sweet capitalism and sour communism
Roosevelt was a Socialist...

the federal government employs about 2% of the current work force
i'd like to see the government open their own factories instead of giving grants to corporations like the CHIPS act
i'd like to see the government loaning directly to students at low interest, instead of giving money to the banks instead so they make a profit from student loans
and give all poor students multiple options for free education in exchange for working, like reforesting, teaching, child care, etc
evntually get rid of for-profit education, and for-profit healthcare and have a national education and health care plan

we get reamed on pharmaceuticals
replace the current system, with govenment run pharmaceutical factories, employing americans
and saving the whole economy tens of billions every year
is just one small example

the govenrment could retro-fit every single coal-fired power plant with a nuclear steam generator
and 30% of our CO2 just went away
and we'd "breed" enuff plutonium to make 10,000 nuclear warheads per year

remember the Pershing II?
imagine what we could build now, especially since there's no IRBM treaty with Russia anymore
put thousands of 'em in Europe with air defenses
Baltic States, Poland, Czech, Romania...and maybe one day...Ukraine
thi system could handle Russia without even using our strategic nuclear forces
Russia would have like a 3-5 minute warning, less than 1 minute in kalingrad


the profit motive for just a few people is a poor way to make choices for a nation of 350 million
the whole reason our society is phuqued up is becuz all the disparities caused by capitalism
causing the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer, cvuz this is the game the rich are playing

non-linear systems have a threshold at which they break
class struggle is already happening in the USA

and yes, I am more red than a baboon's ass in peak estrus
but that doesn't mean I'm wrong...

[2tallbill]

the problem is, you have no freaking idea what Marxism is....
you conflate it with totalitarian communism
it's a spectrum, and not black and white, sweet capitalism and sour communism
Roosevelt was a Socialist...

FDR was very fascist in governing. He did not take the companies or the means of production
away from their shareholders, he instead told Ford, GM et al what to do, just like Hitler did.
American socialists have always been fascists. Just like Hitler, FDR sent Japanese to camps
luckily they weren't killed (mostly). 

The modern Democrats of today dream to be fascists as well. They want to control corporations,
imbed them with ESG then force them to do their will and to donate heavily to their causes.

Fascist regimes also often control all industry and commerce. Socialism is an economic or social
system based on collective, public ownership and control of the resources used to make and
distribute goods or provide services.

So was FDR a Fascist or a socialist? He was a Fascists, that's the home to the modern Democratic
party. They want to control speech, the media, guns and it goes on and on and on.

Go ahead deny it, but it's not the truth. Blow a gasket then post 2000 words over 17 threads.

My wife runs our social calendar AND the Dallas Cowboys are going to Atlanta (and lose). 
We are going to have a house full of parents and kids.

I have a grill to fire up, things productive and interesting to do.

Udachi!

Bill