Trench's Questions and Philosophies

[JayH]

Trench Coat, I have had a twin SIM splashed Apple OS. It worked OK but my experience is similar to an official twin SIM foon is the same as Anotherkiwi and Moby.

And Trench can you answer the question that Moby posed, why do many people in the fSU have dual sim foons?

Several reasons for multiple sims in Ukr --the idea that you have sims from the different networks as calls are generally free on the same network is the major one.
The more recent addition of Viber,What'sApp etc has lessened that issue  as they allow (free) calls. I have paid subscriptions on Viber & Skype that allows me to call any numbers at a good rate .

As for phones -- you do not need Apple or Samsung -- there are phones available at extremely competitive prices a fraction of their cost that are near enough just as good .
The market changes have been quite rapid in this area . A decent phone can reduce the need for a computer dramatically.

I have had  multiple sim phones for many years now - and I carry multiple phones. I have one phone that has 4 sims ! I use it for sim cards from different countries .So anyone calling could call/sms  local number anytime .I can see the rise of Viber etc making that less use in the future.

Finally --on sims and internet access etc --if TC spent any time researching here on forum instead of posting his "thinking" he would have read up to date advice I have posted ( & LaMan) repeatedly on the topic-- it has become very simple.The cost of a pre-paid Ukrainian sim is next to nothing-- and $10-$15 plenty for a months calls and data internet access .I pay UAH69 per month and rarely need top up during month.

[BdHvA]

TrenchCoat, It seems your heading to L'viv.

For a great croissant and coffee you want to go to Centaur on a corner of the main town square so-called market square.

Museums worth visiting are the Pinzel museum, he was one of the great baroque sculptures. There is the L'viv Art Museum with a great collection of 19th and early 20th century art. And the St. Georges Church Complex is well worth visiting.

All of this and more info can be found on booking.com, trip advisor or wikipedia.

[msmob]

So, Trench - I see you got help re my question - indeed - JayH ad it - the networks don't have inclusive calls to other networks- so it is wise tht your g/f and thee have the same network ..

If you are on a VM - you'll need multiple phones - like JayH

Seriously - you need to have their contact details BEFORE you go and make sure you have Viber / Whatsapp, etc.

On a VM - I expect your phone(s) will need to be off more than it is on - what with all those dates ..

Get yourself a MiFi device from Three and a pre-paid data sim and then your internet will work on your UK phone

[Trenchcoat]

Well Mobes it looks like Italy moves closer to breaking away from the EU:

Key Italy talks amid fears of snap poll

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44297731

Looks like the Italian President has made a heavy handed attempt interfere in the forming of a coalition government to a more pro-EU government and in doing so has made matters worse for the EU in Italy. Again an attempt by the pro-EU lot to impose their will on the people, lol. Will almost certainly result in a big backlash in any new election making the anti-EU parties even stronger. When that occurs they will be an undeniable force and the Italian President will have to accept their right to form a government and have votes on the Euro and quite possibly membership of the EU as well. We may soon have a companion on our journey to leave the EU

[msmob]

Trench

The Italians cannot afford TO leave and would be well advised to watch the UK farce unfold...It's hardly working out as a saving

Voting for parties promising to stuff that cannot be delivered in reality is the reserve of 'populist' and 'socialist' parties...

[Trenchcoat]

Trench

The Italians cannot afford TO leave and would be well advised to watch the UK farce unfold...It's hardly working out as a saving

Voting for parties promising to stuff that cannot be delivered in reality is the reserve of 'populist' and 'socialist' parties...

Mobe the Italian Socialist party got thrown out of government by the Italian electorate along with its EU puppet PM. At the very least Italy needs to get out of the Euro in order to be able to issue more of its own currency to pay off its burdensome debt until then it's economy will remain in the doldrums.

[krimster2]

i guess a default would wipe out Italy's euro debt
no wonder markets are wacky

my dear friend George Soros
told me last week to get out of equities
damn it and things were going so well until this yr

[msmob]

Mobe the Italian Socialist party got thrown out of government by the Italian electorate along with its EU puppet PM. At the very least Italy needs to get out of the Euro in order to be able to issue more of its own currency to pay off its burdensome debt until then it's economy will remain in the doldrums.

I noted you forgot he has been replaced by populists and you didn't offer an 'excuse! for undeliverable promises.

[SANDRO43]

i guess a default would wipe out Italy's euro debt

How ? A debt is a debt and HAS to be repaid to creditors, unless a country wants to sink like Argentina did after defaulting on its bonds - which had to be repaid at least in part eventually to regain a minimum of credit internationally.

[krimster2]

default is not the best outcome
but debt is swallowing Italy's economy with interest and austerity
in the long term might be the best option

would love to See Italy return to Lire
like the 1958 500 lire piece slightly larger than us quarter

absolute favs of Italian coins
Vittorio Emanuel 1 or 2 Lire with Quadriga on obverse from roughly 1912
all coins from this series are beautiful
except for him!!!

euro coins are awful
who would want to collect these?

[jone]

default is not the best outcome
but debt is swallowing Italy's economy with interest and austerity
in the long term might be the best option

would love to See Italy return to Lire
like the 1958 500 lire piece slightly larger than us quarter

absolute favs of Italian coins
Vittorio Emanuel 1 or 2 Lire with Quadriga on obverse from roughly 1912
all coins from this series are beautiful
except for him!!!

euro coins are awful
who would want to collect these?

Actually, a true numismatist collects coins that are no longer in use.  You might want to hang on to those Euro coins.  They might have value as collectors items sooner than you think.

[krimster2]

but they're UGLY!!!!
and bi-metallic!!!!

I like US morgans + double eagles
French and Italian silver coins
some English sovereigns
I have a BUNCH of Russian and German coins to

all going into the "treasure chest" for future grandkids to find

[msmob]

Actually, a true numismatist collects coins that are no longer in use.  You might want to hang on to those Euro coins.  They might have value as collectors items sooner than you think.

'Ri-ight......

You sound like folks from sites who suggest us that the Dollar is on it's way out... They are wishful thinking Kremlin trolls... What is your 'excuse' for posting so daft?....

1/ Euro notes are not country specific

2/ Euro coins might reflect different countries, but if  Italy crashed out, the Euro would endure and the Italian Euro coins would be worth no more than their face value for decades, if ever.

[krimster2]

"2/ Euro coins might reflect different countries, "

i don't think italian euro coins will ever be valuable
i've been a collector since age 10 when my grandfather gave me a bunch of English pocket change
now THOSE are pennys!!!
Britannia!!!

early 20th century Italian silver coins are some of my favorites
but you can get "junk" lire coins 50 yr old for just a few bucks on ebay

totally missed the Trump Korean coin on the whitehouse gift site shop
that coin will be worth a fortune

the coins will still have face value in other countries

when I used to work in Germany
half the people were from other euro countries
inc UK
such GREAT opportunities for young educated in UK
go to work anywhere in EU
many did
not from UK now
what happens to all those who WERE working/living abroad from UK in EU
home?

[Trenchcoat]

when I used to work in Germany
half the people were from other euro countries
inc UK
such GREAT opportunities for young educated in UK
go to work anywhere in EU
many did
not from UK now
what happens to all those who WERE working/living abroad from UK in EU
home?

I know in the early-mid nineties in the UK there was a real bad recession and some people went out to Germany to work. Some later had problems in claiming their state pension as while they were out in Germany they missed a number of years of contribution needed to qualify.

Generally though you need to know the language almost fluently for most jobs abroad, plus with the Euro valued at less than the pound you might earn less. It's alright for a bit of fun but think the fad wore off. Anyway, all those currently residing abroad will get permanent residency rights when we leave the EU and if they later want, citizenship.

Generally the EU used to work fine until the Eastern Bloc was admitted since all the original members bar a few such as Greece had comparable economies. Unfortunately instead of structuring the EU to take this into account with a two tier/speed system ego won the day and an awful mess was created. Now the answer of many pro EU politicians is to bury their head in the sand and pretend that mess doesn't exist but unfortunately it does namely mass illegal immigration, Euro currency issues for countries with too much bad debt and over or under supply of labour.

Poland for example was facing an under supply of Labour problem, the answer was to use illegal Ukrainian immigrant Labour - so an illegal solution to the high legal standing the EU likes to think of itself as, lol.

Italy has a big debt, bigger than its GDP and lots of illegal immigrants from North Africa that the EU stops them from deporting - what they are supposed to do with them who knows. If Italy like Poland is able to have a cheaper currency, i.e reintroduce the Lira then a lot of their unemployed/population may travel to stronger currency countries that use the Euro or pound to work, but by then we may thankfully be safeguarded from that by being outside the EU

I think they may have a struggle with the EU since I all new members must except the Euro, so can an existing member drop it. Probably another thing the EU will get awkward over probably pushing Italy nearer to leaving the EU too.

[Jumper]

They used to havecdual sim cards as not all friends or family where on the same network and the costs were different when calling out if network.

They mob side,was agency girls had one designated  for their  foreign  contacts...lol

All this talk about tech.
I'm old ,I remember traveling for decades without any of this and no real issues.
Somehow you still got around, met people, caught flights, booked hotels or flats, train tickets..

[msmob]

I know in the early-mid nineties in the UK there was a real bad recession and some people went out to Germany to work. Some later had problems in claiming their state pension as while they were out in Germany they missed a number of years of contribution needed to qualify.

Generally though you need to know the language almost fluently for most jobs abroad, plus with the Euro valued at less than the pound you might earn less. It's alright for a bit of fun but think the fad wore off. Anyway, all those currently residing abroad will get permanent residency rights when we leave the EU and if they later want, citizenship.

Generally the EU used to work fine until the Eastern Bloc was admitted since all the original members bar a few such as Greece had comparable economies. Unfortunately instead of structuring the EU to take this into account with a two tier/speed system ego won the day and an awful mess was created. Now the answer of many pro EU politicians is to bury their head in the sand and pretend that mess doesn't exist but unfortunately it does namely mass illegal immigration, Euro currency issues for countries with too much bad debt and over or under supply of labour.

Poland for example was facing an under supply of Labour problem, the answer was to use illegal Ukrainian immigrant Labour - so an illegal solution to the high legal standing the EU likes to think of itself as, lol.

Italy has a big debt, bigger than its GDP and lots of illegal immigrants from North Africa that the EU stops them from deporting - what they are supposed to do with them who knows. If Italy like Poland is able to have a cheaper currency, i.e reintroduce the Lira then a lot of their unemployed/population may travel to stronger currency countries that use the Euro or pound to work, but by then we may thankfully be safeguarded from that by being outside the EU

I think they may have a struggle with the EU since I all new members must except the Euro, so can an existing member drop it. Probably another thing the EU will get awkward over probably pushing Italy nearer to leaving the EU too.

I responded to this patent nonsense in a 'new thread'  

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22788

[Trenchcoat]

Much of her 'angst' was feeling overwhelmed by the English.  We were in Germany and there was nobody speaking Russian.  I totally empathize with her in a lot of this, but if she wanted it to work, it was not hard to go with the flow.  Perhaps she realized that in USA (as I repeated many times to her) hardly anyone would speak English.  This trip was just a small taste of the completely foreign world she would be agreeing to be in -- and that scared the hell out of her.  Instead of communicating this she lashed out.  She blamed me for every problem, every misunderstanding.

Part of the reason I took the last girl I was with to Cyprus was because of the large use of Russian as well as English. After we had been there a few days she was pleased of it. I thought it would be handy as a way of easing her into a partly English society first. Still she insisted on going to  the UK even though her English is not good. My thoughts are the girl I was with might find the culture shock a bit hard going. Of course it depends on the girl but it looks like yours freaked out and I hear quite a lot do.

Think a lot of FSW like tge play just tend to just view stuff from their side. Im guessing the Soviet period perhaps made this so.

[Blighty]

Part of the reason I took the last girl I was with to Cyprus was because of the large use of Russian as well as English. After we had been there a few days she was pleased of it. I thought it would be handy as a way of easing her into a partly English society first. Still she insisted on going to  the UK even though her English is not good. My thoughts are the girl I was with might find the culture shock a bit hard going. Of course it depends on the girl but it looks like yours freaked out and I hear quite a lot do.

Think a lot of FSW like tge play just tend to just view stuff from their side. Im guessing the Soviet period perhaps made this so.

TC, How do you come to these conclusions? What have you been taking before this post?

My wife and her friends grew up in the Soviet Union, and they do NOT "like tge play just tend to just view stuff from their side [sic]".

My wife and her friends do NOT freak out. These women mostly want to join their husband in his country, and are willing to learn his language and about his culture. If this was your attitude towards the Kherson woman, then she correctly concluded that you were not genuine in your search for a FSU partner.
 

Your Kherson girl wanted to be with a

[msmob]

I'd LOVE to see the end of Blighty's post...!

Trench, as ever ... you proved you DO NOT HAVE A CLUE what a serious FSU lass is looking for - or how to rectify your 'issues' in this non recognition

Your 'conclusions' are WRONG.

Re Cyprus - YES - this is a great place - for a FSU lass who speaks poor /  bad English - there being so many fellow FSU folk - but how does that help you or her with ENGLISH ?   

It's great for a holiday ...

My Russian wife learnt English here - but lept forward in the UK

[Blighty]

Your Kherson girl wanted to be with a

Sorry about that ....

Your Kherson girl wanted to be with her husband in his country, and have a long lasting relationship. She would have been willing to learn English and understand about our culture. Your attitude is all wrong! You obviously want to keep any future Mrs TC in Ukraine, whatever her own preferences.

[msmob]

or Cyprus ...

I shouldn't mock ...as this may be SC's desired place to live .... 

Trench - you could find a lass and move to Paphos ....  There'd be lots of older UK folks on final salary pensions

[Trenchcoat]

or Cyprus ...

I shouldn't mock ...as this may be SC's desired place to live .... 

Trench - you could find a lass and move to Paphos ....  There'd be lots of older UK folks on final salary pensions

I actually liked Paphos a lot, it had a lot of charm to the place. Not a lot to do there but could drive out I guess. The old peeps could be a bonus as less competition unless of course girl became attracted to their pensions

[Trenchcoat]

Sorry about that ....

Your Kherson girl wanted to be with her husband in his country, and have a long lasting relationship. She would have been willing to learn English and understand about our culture. Your attitude is all wrong! You obviously want to keep any future Mrs TC in Ukraine, whatever her own preferences.

Of course you are right but I had no idea on that at the time, I mean how am I supposed to know. It seemed to make perfect sense at the time. I mean yes I would have been open to her loving in my country as my wife but she wanted to do the whole visa deal just for a visit. A tourist visa is about the same ordeal as a marriage one for the UK. In fact a tourist one would be far more likely to be declined in fact almost certain (even Moby agrees with me on that one ) since she is a young girl in a retail job hence very poor income and so little reason to want to return whether it was done on her income or mine.

Her wanting to go off on a clothes shopping spree all the time for mid range brand clothes kind of put a strain on our relationship I felt I did not need. In fact it brought a lor of distrust into the relationship that made me unsure if she was just using me to buy her stuff. Maybe like the title of the thread I should have taken the warning signs in our first week together that she wanted me to buy me her this stuff. Mistakes were certainly made on my part and a fair few of them which I will hopefully learn from for next time.

[msmob]

I actually liked Paphos a lot, it had a lot of charm to the place. Not a lot to do there but could drive out I guess. The old peeps could be a bonus as less competition unless of course girl became attracted to their pensions

Hmm, I have no desire to live amongst ex-pats .. trying to make a part of CY like the UK


As for your chasing young tail with no chance to get a UK Visa...  I told you THAT, too ...  BEFORE you took your trip ..