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RWD Administrative => RWD Announcements => Topic started by: Mod7 on January 27, 2020, 05:30:50 PM

Title: Forum Feuding
Post by: Mod7 on January 27, 2020, 05:30:50 PM
To GQBLUES & MSMOBY (in alphabetical order)

Your endless personal quarrels on several threads have really become tiresome to the RWD membership :(.

Despite your previous warnings/bans, you two insist on carrying on this questionable behavior like a pair of quarreling fishwives.

Keep it on and you will be muted, to begin with. Sterner measures to follow if warranted.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Gator on January 27, 2020, 09:50:40 PM
The yellow-eyed, grey FAT CAT has spoken. 


It is easy for bystanders to take sides in this feud, yet taking sides  does no good in restoring decorum. 
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: BillyB on January 27, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
restoring decorum.


Most of us are civil most of the time. One person is not civil all the time. Great educational video below. Most of the kids belong together but one of the kids is doing their own thing. Guess which kid is not like the others in the video. Then guess which kid is not like the others here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbWs1oakDME
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: msmob on January 28, 2020, 12:58:49 AM
My first EVER warning re responding to GQB was last night, your honour !



Might I suggest he removes his untruthful quote in his strap line and I'm removing my retort .. in a gesture to wind down the spat
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GQBlues on January 28, 2020, 05:46:00 AM
Now I’ll have time to order fathertime his present...

http://youtu.be/EwArMFCLmZY
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: fathertime on January 28, 2020, 06:51:53 AM
Now I’ll have time to order fathertime his present...

http://youtu.be/EwArMFCLmZY
I refer to 2:03 in this clip to respond to your cruelty!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkCVy8XdkSI    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkCVy8XdkSI)


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GQBlues on January 28, 2020, 11:03:08 AM
:cheesy grin:

Make Golf Great Again! That was a funny line!
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2020, 11:37:31 AM
To GQBLUES & MSMOBY (in alphabetical order)
Your endless personal quarrels on several threads have really become tiresome to the RWD membership :( .

Despite your previous warnings/bans, you two insist on carrying on this questionable behavior like a pair of quarreling fishwives.

Keep it on and you will be muted, to begin with. Sterner measures to follow if warranted.
Expanding the Notification list to EVERYONE at RWD.
As was stated earlier, the feuding and personal insults have become tiresome and offer no positive value to RWD.

Steps have already been taken to permanently separate persistent offenders. Additional actions will be taken should the behavior persist.
RWD values your positive and useful contributions. Anything else will be treated like the detritus it is.

Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Maxx2 on December 03, 2020, 12:00:40 PM
Expanding the Notification list to EVERYONE at RWD.
As was stated earlier, the feuding and personal insults have become tiresome and offer no positive value to RWD.

Steps have already been taken to permanently separate persistent offenders. Additional actions will be taken should the behavior persist.
RWD values your positive and useful contributions. Anything else will be treated like the detritus it is.


On the Left or the Right?
Title: Forum Participation
Post by: 2tallbill on January 03, 2021, 03:32:04 PM
We had 3 total forum posts on January 2nd and this will be the
4 forum post today January 3rd.

If you want the forum to exist in 60 days then those who wanted
to end the political discussions had better participate regarding the
on topic stuff or some day in the near future you will go to log in to
the forum and nothing will be there.

I can't single-handedly produce enough content without a ton of help.

Title: Re: Forum Participation
Post by: Faux Pas on January 03, 2021, 09:03:39 PM
We had 3 total forum posts on January 2nd and this will be the
4 forum post today January 3rd.

If you want the forum to exist in 60 days then those who wanted
to end the political discussions had better participate regarding the
on topic stuff or some day in the near future you will go to log in to
the forum and nothing will be there.

I can't single-handedly produce enough content without a ton of help.

Therein lies the rub Bill. In the old days there were dozens looking for information on the FSU and came here to do it. Of which 2-3 would ask questions daily. Now I notice a few lurking but none are asking the questions and they haven't for years even prior to the pandemic. In essence we don't know if the lurkers are here from the political threads or looking for info? They ain't saying.

I noticed a decline in info seekers several years ago. As they declined the political threads picked up, coincidence? I avoided political threads altogether for the longest time but, it's all that existed with new material. Which brings me to this point, your rehashing of the oldies but goodies is honorable, but for me a fleeting moment of interest. I don't personally have anything to add to those and they are getting farther and farther from relevancy. For example, Skype didn't exists as an option before I first met my now wife. Elena's Models was the going date site where most found success. Now they're using apps on phones to instantly face to face communicate. Literally, my wife and I communicated via email alone for the first 3 months.

The old threads don't seem to be as relevant and anyone that happens to be looking (if there are any) sees them as ancient. I think you're wasting your time with those which might be better served inviting some of the old hands back to see what discussions might get drummed up as a result. Hopefully admin and mods will let that conversation flow. I don't expect you can force discussion in this particular scenario. The old discussions we enjoyed, were titillated with and got useful info may be a thing of the past
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Davo on January 03, 2021, 10:57:29 PM
I made a few comments about the site becoming stale a while back and really haven’t contributed much since then.

My biggest issue is I did some serious calculating of the cost involved and although I was earning almost 3 times that of another member who’s actively searching, I realised my income was border line through the dating, visa, wedding and relocation phase. Once a woman was here I would have been ok I think on that income. I set wheels in motion to make an extra 20k, but things snowballed and i’m now working 14 hours a days to keep up. Currently I have a 6 month backlog of work which leaves little time for anything else like posting here.

I think what you’ve done is great for the site Bill and even though you’d like to see more contributors immediately, I hope in the near future it will happen once covid is no longer an issue and guys can start travelling again. Keep up the good work 👍

Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 04, 2021, 01:40:17 AM
Bill, it's just a guess but I'm inclined to suspect that lurkers are googling their way(s) directly to bits of info they are chasing rather than doing what we did, which was to poke our cyber hand up and ask for the most part.

The latter phenomenon is pretty common and tends to reduce interaction - boards like this tend to become prisoners to the quality of content. Somewhat ironic as it were..

Technology has changed the dynamics of the game to an extent but I think the fundamentals remain constant. It's still a long shot, largely in the dark, amid proliferations of scams, both organised and private, at Boy meets Girl and falls in love.

Therefore, despite the newer folk tending to go their own way a bit, I think they would benifit from joining the "Church" and interacting with others doing (past and present) the same thing.

How to make it happen? Not sure about newsletters but certainly, a little measured spamming - perhaps an invitation to see what's happing or similar might be an idea?

Whatever tools are used, they need to be short and sharp, then changed.

Just FWIW....🤔
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GenMish on January 04, 2021, 07:05:50 AM
I made a few comments about the site becoming stale a while back and really haven’t contributed much since then.

My biggest issue is I did some serious calculating of the cost involved and although I was earning almost 3 times that of another member who’s actively searching, I realised my income was border line through the dating, visa, wedding and relocation phase. Once a woman was here I would have been ok I think on that income. I set wheels in motion to make an extra 20k, but things snowballed and i’m now working 14 hours a days to keep up. Currently I have a 6 month backlog of work which leaves little time for anything else like posting here.

I think what you’ve done is great for the site Bill and even though you’d like to see more contributors immediately, I hope in the near future it will happen once covid is no longer an issue and guys can start travelling again. Keep up the good work 👍

Bill has done well, but I dont expect a rush of new people asking questions until after the virus thingy is over

For those of us in the USA , I would say you arent alone, and thats why K1 Visas for women in the FSU have steadily declined. With the virus, probably at a standstill right now. The boom was the 90s, because one could afford a housewife then, or the 3-5 years it will take before she can work. Its not like a Filipina that would gladly start working for $15/hr  under the table as a maid the week she arrived. When I brought my wife over from the FSU, I could add her on to my company health insurance for free, kids were free too until about 2002 then  my employer asked that we pay 25% and it went steadily up from there. Many jobs today, dont even offer good plans and the employee is paying 400-$800/mo for so so insurance.  Most young single people cant afford just that, let alone all the expenses you mentioned. 
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 04, 2021, 10:13:10 AM
Women are not as desperate as before to get out of FSU, and wealth difference of living is not astronomically different between fsu and the west
Title: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 04, 2021, 12:07:13 PM
Women are not as desperate as before to get out of FSU, and wealth difference
of living is not astronomically different between fsu and the west

The time that most FSUW were desperate was very short, during the
Yeltsin years 1991-99. Pursuing desperate women has always been a
fools game.

It's always been about supply and demand. The demand for men who
will marry a woman who is over 30-45 is far greater than the local supply.
You have to win their heart. It's boy meets girl and that's how it's been
for decades.

Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 04, 2021, 12:13:57 PM
The time that most FSUW were desperate was very short, during the
Yeltsin years 1991-99. Pursuing desperate women has always been a
fools game.

It's always been about supply and demand. The demand for men who
will marry a woman who is over 30-45 is far greater than the local supply.

Demand isn't for men, it is for an escape, don't delude yourself and others in thinking otherwise. I went to FSU multiple times with less than $500 in my bank account, and i will still scream at you and others, you are offering a better life. There is already plenty men. No sane man or woman would marry a person they hardly know (unless their is some crazy love , which i doubt many achieve). But a man is desperate for a woman , the woman is desperate for a better life. People can twist it however they want, to up their ego.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 04, 2021, 12:49:45 PM
and i will still scream at you and others

Feel free, let me know if it helps make your argument more profound. 


There is already plenty men..

Grasshopper, there are plenty of men who will lay on a 38 year old women's couch
chain smoking and f#ck her without a condom and get waited on hand and foot.
But none of those couch lying men will marry them or accept their kids.
Soon enough they will find another couch to lay on. There is a shortage
of men who will marry them and accept their kids.



No sane man or woman would marry a person they hardly know

I visited Angel Eyes 4 times and she visited me twice for over a month each time, we
talked for hours every day. I knew her before I married her.


Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 04, 2021, 02:16:08 PM

Grasshopper, there are plenty of men who will lay on a 38 year old women's couch
chain smoking and f#ck her without a condom and get waited on hand and foot.
But none of those couch lying men will marry them or accept their kids.
Soon enough they will find another couch to lay on. There is a shortage
of men who will marry them and accept their kids.

Odd, when Trench said that, you took low blows against him. Seems like flexible mindset is lost with age. Is it hard to admit things that damage your ego? What i said was a better life, of course, i would admit, if there is men that would avoid specific women, those women will need to look elsewhere. Also, you are WRONG, regarding women with kids , my girlfriend's friend recently had a child with a man, she has a child from a prior marriage, she is near the age range your mentioned, but she has a good income, so i doubt she needed to look abroad for a man, and why her man is similar to her age, and didn't pass her up. Goes back to what i said, a lot of women, and wealth already in the FSU, so finding many women highlights of their week eating bread with sausage is long gone.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: mhr7 on January 04, 2021, 02:30:13 PM
Grasshopper, there are plenty of men who will lay on a 38 year old women's couch
chain smoking and f#ck her without a condom and get waited on hand and foot.
But none of those couch lying men will marry them or accept their kids.
Soon enough they will find another couch to lay on. There is a shortage
of men who will marry them and accept their kids.

I think this is the bigger reason women look for a foreign man. I know women 40+ who have just resigned themselves to being single and alone the rest of their lives. Finding a better life in a foreign country may be a bigger motivator for younger women but older women just want a good man to be in love with.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 04, 2021, 03:05:28 PM
Also, you are WRONG, regarding women with kids , my girlfriend's friend recently had
a child with a man, she has a child from a prior marriage, she is near the age range
your mentioned, but she has a good income, so i doubt she needed to look abroad
for a man, and why her man is similar to her age, and didn't pass her up.

Goes back to what i said, a lot of women, and wealth already in the FSU, so
finding many women highlights of their week eating bread with sausage is
long gone.

You are mischaracterizing what I say.

I said OLDER AND I said WITH KIDS. I also know women in Russia with
higher incomes. None of them have a man, most of them have gone
months without a date. You might know a couple of them. We can ask
Lily or other FSUW on the board what their opinions are. 

I never said that a woman having bread and sausage, you made that
part up. I said that women after a certain age don't have men that will
marry them and accept their kids. That is still the case.

I also never said that these women look overseas. I said that their is a
surplus of them. If you can find something that I actually said please
quote it and we can discuss it. 

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 04, 2021, 04:55:21 PM
You are mischaracterizing what I say.

I said OLDER AND I said WITH KIDS.

The woman i was talking about is in her 30's, with a child, the guy was also near same age as her.

I never said that a woman having bread and sausage, you made that
part up.

Yes i did, many women like i am trying to imply, have a lot of wealth around them, and don't need to look abroad anymore, like they used to. I will give you an example, my ex fiance's sister, is married to a guy around 5 years older than her, she has a $400k apartment in her name in Moscow bought by the husband, and a Mercedes probably around $50k, my ex fiancé had her apartment in her own name around $80k.

There is also a girl i was going to date in Moscow (Blonde, slim, around 20_, she went to private school in the West, had her own apartment in central Moscow. She wanted to convince me to teach english and reside in Moscow. My ex fiancé was also on the fence of the West, she didn't like certain parts of it (Leftists).

There is what i meant by the bread and sausage statement. Compare Moscow, and these other cities , to what it used to be like 20 years back, when many guys were jetting to FSU.

Yo

I said OLDER AND I said WITH KIDS. I also know women in 
.

I also never said that these women look overseas. I said that their is a
surplus of them.

Basically women that men don't want? So people come in and take the leftovers that men won't touch? (Including western men , go to mgtow forums and search what they think of women with kids.

What I don't understand is trench says something similar to this , and worldwar 3 breaks out , taking jabs at his income. It seems like it is a hard pill to swallow .

I find actually ML and trench observations very similar in the way they can spot something, say it how it is , without letting their ego get hurt.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 04, 2021, 06:20:48 PM
Grasshopper, there are plenty of men who will lay on a 38 year old women's couch
chain smoking and f#ck her without a condom and get waited on hand and foot.
But none of those couch lying men will marry them or accept their kids.

The woman i was talking about is in her 30's, with a child, the guy was also near same age as her.

There are exceptions to every rule, my example was 38 because that's how old
Angel Eyes was when I found her. She had not dated in a long time because it
went how I explained it.

If you disagree with me, that's fine we can disagree, but I probably have far greater
experience dating older women than you do and since all Angel Eyes friends are her
age, I have a larger circle of women her age.

There is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.
Title: Re: Forum Participation
Post by: mhr7 on January 04, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
We had 3 total forum posts on January 2nd and this will be the
4 forum post today January 3rd.

If you want the forum to exist in 60 days then those who wanted
to end the political discussions had better participate regarding the
on topic stuff or some day in the near future you will go to log in to
the forum and nothing will be there.

I can't single-handedly produce enough content without a ton of help.

This was killed -

Anything Goes

This section is the RWD end-of-the-line, garbage pail, free-for-all, mosh/snake-pit.

This forum is largely unmoderated.........So - with that said - and if some of you REALLY have to tear one another apart - have a ball.

- Dan


With politics being off limits and the current repressive nature of moderation, this place is going to die a slow death. It's going to die of boredom. Some of us have moved over to the other forum to continue our discussions. There's nothing wrong with a good forum row and politics are always pertinent, especially now. But anything doesn't go anymore. Just my quick opinion.
Title: Re: Forum Participation
Post by: BillyB on January 04, 2021, 09:51:16 PM
Anything Goes

This section is the RWD end-of-the-line, garbage pail, free-for-all, mosh/snake-pit.

This forum is largely unmoderated.........So - with that said - and if some of you REALLY have to tear one another apart - have a ball.



I suggested in the past that post from the 'Anything Goes' forum don't get shown on recent posts so it doesn't appear as if off topic stuff is dominating the conversations. I guess it's not possible to hide posts from 'Anything Goes'
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Admin on January 04, 2021, 11:03:52 PM
One of the posts I read recently motivated me to take a look at the old Planet-Love archives. There, I found this ancient post (2003) made PRIOR to founding RWD. The topic was about Posting Guidelines and committing myself to some simple 'rules' for productive forum participation. It may be useful for our members now to take a look and see if those principles yet apply.

You can find that post here --> http://www.planet-love.com/smf/index.php/topic,14356.0.html (http://www.planet-love.com/smf/index.php/topic,14356.0.html)
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 05, 2021, 03:13:17 AM
We have about 3 threads crossing over the same subject at the moment so if mods want to move this, feel free..

TBH, I've been an infrequent visitor of recent years but anytime I have looked in, political discussion has dominated recent posts. I'm not an avid political observer but I'd wager on being as up with it as most and I can certainly do without it here.

With the slowing FSU MOB market, the future issues here are pretty obvious but FWIW, the thing I have found helpful of more recent times is to occasionally trip over something someone else is experiencing (both enjoyable and or challenging) in their marriage which is similar to my own.

All marriages have their ups and downs. During the challenging times one can feel as if their experience is unique - usually it isn't. This might be an opportunity for board development....?



Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 05, 2021, 04:48:25 AM
Grasshopper, there are plenty of men who will lay on a 38 year old women's couch
chain smoking and f#ck her without a condom and get waited on hand and foot.
But none of those couch lying men will marry them or accept their kids.

Recent woman i dated, her father was as you described when she was born (she is 18 now). Mother kicked him out, now due to the internet, he can work online, make a western income, whilst residing in the FSU.  The game is changing , evolution is happening, you can choose to ignore it (Hard for people to see game changes, and need to hold onto old facts). I will go back to what i said, game has changed, there are men about, but the question is the quality of the women?


but I probably have far greater
experience
 

In the old game, without allowing the economical differences now change your perspective.



There is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

yes, so next time Trench preaches what you preach, in a different style, maybe don't take cheap digs at his income because you don't like him indirectly insulting you. Just swallow the pill nicely, and try a be a big boy.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 05, 2021, 05:36:04 AM
he can work online, make a western income, whilst residing in the FSU
Not even close. There are, of course exceptions. The average income differences between Westerners vs Russians, Ukrainians, etc remain vast.

Salaries (average weekly - all permanent workers), taken from relevant jurisdiction govt agency, BLS, ABS etc, rounded to nearest 100 USD

USA $1000
Australia $1300
Russia $200

Haven't bothered to look at Western Europe as salaries there are traditionally much higher than USA or Aus - I acknowledge that so are the costs of living also..
 


Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Davo on January 05, 2021, 05:40:14 AM
Bill has done well, but I dont expect a rush of new people asking questions until after the virus thingy is over

For those of us in the USA , I would say you arent alone, and thats why K1 Visas for women in the FSU have steadily declined. With the virus, probably at a standstill right now. The boom was the 90s, because one could afford a housewife then, or the 3-5 years it will take before she can work. Its not like a Filipina that would gladly start working for $15/hr  under the table as a maid the week she arrived. When I brought my wife over from the FSU, I could add her on to my company health insurance for free, kids were free too until about 2002 then  my employer asked that we pay 25% and it went steadily up from there. Many jobs today, dont even offer good plans and the employee is paying 400-$800/mo for so so insurance.  Most young single people cant afford just that, let alone all the expenses you mentioned.

Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my behalf.

I’ve spent hundreds of hours reading the main sections right back to day one and can see this place was buzzing in the past. Even since I’ve  been here I’ve seen a decline, but there are still plenary of serous men seeking FSU women and also travelling even in this climate. I’m taking to a handful of beginners and some a little more experienced (made several trips)  on a daily basis daily, that i’ve met mainly on non FSU FB relationship advice groups... more than have signed up here in the last year. Some are aware of this site and others have no idea it exists. It seems there’s a lack of incentive to become a member and participate.

There’s always over 1000 visitors here at any one time, but how do you get them to sign up with the hope of some contributing?... I still think it’s worth trailing my idea I posted a while ago and only allow the first page of each topic to be viewed by non members and promote the fact that becoming a member opens up a wealth of of valuable knowledge to them. Even if .05% of daily visitors introduced themselves or asked a question, this place would come alive over night.... If it doesn’t make a difference the sites lost nothing and returns to its original format. I think it’s worth a try.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 05, 2021, 05:57:37 AM
Not even close. There are, of course exceptions. The average income differences between Westerners vs Russians, Ukrainians, etc remain vast.

Salaries (average weekly - all permanent workers), taken from relevant jurisdiction govt agency, BLS, ABS etc, rounded to nearest 100 USD

USA $1000
Australia $1300
Russia $200

Haven't bothered to look at Western Europe as salaries there are traditionally much higher than USA or Aus - I acknowledge that so are the costs of living also..

My ex fiance's sitters husband trades Bitcoins, he doesn't need to live in the West to be able to buy her an apartment near city center in Moscow in cash, all his work is done on a laptop. The girlfriend i dated, the father deals with western clients, coders are here also dealing with western clients. See where i am going? You can drop averages, or deal with certain people , people who work digitally are playing a different game to you and what Bill think. There are people here with money, not dealing with high cost of living of the West.

This is also the problem with a lot of people in the FSU, there is a big game, to live cheaply, work online, deal with Western clients. I saw this potential a decade ago , but a few are taking advantage of it. So i go back to what i was saying, game has changed. So days where you a bill came in, where women will gulp at a passport, bills paid, and going do a half decent restaurant  once a fortnight , are far gone. I seen the changes since maybe 8 years i been jumping between West and FSU, i am shocked that some of you missed it, maybe not very observant, and want to cling onto old truths?
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 05, 2021, 06:43:57 AM
yes, so next time Trench preaches what you preach, in a different style, maybe don't take cheap digs at his income because you don't like him indirectly insulting you. Just swallow the pill nicely, and try a be a big boy.

Don't preach to me, Trench can take anything that I say and turn it around
backwards and get the wrong message from it at least 75% of the time.

Trench gets it right less than 25% of the time.

If you want to scrap about something, I'm your huckleberry.

http://youtu.be/R8OWNspU_yE
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 05, 2021, 07:03:22 AM
maybe not very observant
Maybe...🤔 Or maybe, I've been watching the development very closely for near 20 years and yes, we have friends in Russia who are wealthy, very wealthy, way in front of us but they remain the exception.

Nobody is disputing the game has changed but relationships based on economic disparity were always a fools errand.

The fact remains that despite significant improvement in standards and economic leverage across the FSU states, there is a long way to go before average earnings come close to the West.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Davo on January 05, 2021, 07:10:30 AM
Jap, I’m guilty in my post a few days ago at of taking a cheap shot at trenches wage too, but if you read in many topics most of us have given constructive criticism regarding this issue for him and putting everything aside without a doubt it’s the biggest hurdle he faces, if he wants to be successful.

Most of us are are older than you, including trench who’s heading towards his mid 40’s. The main difference is a lot of of us have been in serious committed relationships, lived with women or have  been married, had children, divorced, dated again at home etc.. before travelling down the FSU dating path. Most of us have a very good idea of the financial requirements needed that comes along with these life experiences. It doesn’t make him a lesser man (probably makes him a smart man 😂) ,but Trench hasn’t experienced any of this.

I for one want trench to succeed and it must start with his financial situation. Not taking into account the cost of travel, dating, visa, wedding, relocating his wife, 2nd car, setting up a house for a woman etc... etc.. etc...,  If he wants to find a nice woman, have children and wants her to be a homemaker and be not contribute financially, he’s vastly underestimating the costs involved. Even with a two income family, with a child and both on average wages it’s a struggle financially sometimes... I’ve been there.

If he wants to find a woman in the next few years he needs to dedicate every waking moment to at least double his wage. It’s taken me almost 2 years of hard work to triple my income. I wake at 5am and sometimes walk in from work at 11pm, 6 days a week.... I’m not big noting myself, it’s just the cold hard reality if I want to marry a woman who has a child, live a good quality of life that’s comfortable and have the ability to afford some of lifes luxuries in retirement. What Trench is looking for age a lot more financially challenging.

Respectfully he needs to get his act together, because FSU dating is financially out of his reach atm and 40 is the sweet spot for dating at home, with the most quality women available for guys our age... He’ll run out of options on both fronts without a reality check soon.

Edit...I have to get up in 4 hours, but if I have time tomorrow I’ll give you my perspective on single mothers from ages 32-45.... Wealthy by Russian standards, average wage earners and those struggling to get by and living at home with their parents. I might not have the experience of others here, but over the last couple of years I’ve chatted with well over 50 divorced single mothers online and met a some in real life who are quite well off. It’s heart breaking for most of them when it comes to meeting men at home and abroad, no matter what their financial situation or lot in life is... statements along the lines of “I’m invisible to good men” is a term I heard often and as Bill said, most have accepted there’s a good chance they will be alone forever, unless they are lucky and can meet a genuine foreign man.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GenMish on January 05, 2021, 09:10:00 AM
On the subject of Russia improving quality of life and salaries since the 90s Collapse.

Quality of living, Russia is full of Western style apartments now. In the 90s my wifes cousin had a tiny Stalin era apartment, without a door to the bathroom because the bath tub doubled as the only sink, now he lives in a very nice 2 bedroom 1000 sq ft apartment in great part of Moscow.  Personally, I would rather live in Moscow than most US Big Cities. But American Men still have some cards to play to get that FSU woman. US Suburbs are awesome. Even with a slightly above average income, a US man can offer a setting ideal for a raising a family. With more income, a coastline or exclusive gated country club lifestyle


Salaries dont tell the whole story in Russia. Professionals , Government, Healthcare workers all get bribes. If you want something done, you are paying a little extra under the table. I would multiply their incomes by 2 or three. Even a good carpenter is going to build Dachas on the side. He has time, because Russians are not required to work as often as Americans. Dont forget the long break they get in August, many take the whole month off.


If I was a young fella looking, I would concentrate on the older cities in the Urals or even Siberia. I know some here dont agree with me, but I wouldnt advise anyone bring home a woman over 30, just not worth it (imo). The ideal man would need to 35 or younger, wanting a family, to get a high quality 20-25 yr old Russian lady.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: mhr7 on January 05, 2021, 11:02:35 AM
Not even close. There are, of course exceptions. The average income differences between Westerners vs Russians, Ukrainians, etc remain vast.

Salaries (average weekly - all permanent workers), taken from relevant jurisdiction govt agency, BLS, ABS etc, rounded to nearest 100 USD

USA $1000
Australia $1300
Russia $200

Haven't bothered to look at Western Europe as salaries there are traditionally much higher than USA or Aus - I acknowledge that so are the costs of living also..

I agree with this 100%. Currently, $1 equals roughly 74 rubles, which is the worst it's been in a long time. Average monthly wage outside of Moscow is roughly $635 but I know many who make much less, closer to $300.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 05, 2021, 01:23:09 PM
Salaries dont tell the whole story in Russia. Professionals , Government, Healthcare workers all get bribes
This is true but perhaps not quite as general as it once was. Nevertheless, it's a factor but, the folk in this bracket(s) are not generally buying properties with a view of Red Square.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on January 05, 2021, 03:16:48 PM
Yeah, as much as I hate to say it, FSU or at the very least Russian women over a certain age threshold are pretty much out of options when it comes to dating with the view of having a family.

Exceptions only prove the rule, and of course anyone can give the example of Dasha Zhukova, who is pushing 40 and yet was able to successfully remarry after splitting from Roman Abramovitch.

But if we don't go into the ridiculously rich territory, and look at an average 40-ish RW, who lives in a town or city other than Moscow, and works in a typical mundane job (glass ceiling is alive and well here, so fewer women than men are in positions of power, so all things considered, that average woman likely has a job that doesn't pay her thousands of $, bribes or not - how often do you bribe a shop assistant? how big is a bribe you'd give to a kindergarten teacher? Tell me of the last time you met a librarian from Tula who traded in bitcoin?) Anyway, for a woman like that, the chances of finding a life partner are pretty slim.

From what I see among the women that age (and I'm in that age bracket myself), in a city of 1 million+, those of them who married decent men back in their 20s, are doing well. Those that did not marry or got divorced, mostly are alone, whether it's something they want or not. They might go on occasional dates, maybe have lovers - but the chances of actually finding someone who they'd want to marry and who'd want to marry them, are not very high.

There seems to be something like an invisible threshold, which is somewhere between 35 and 40 for many women, after hitting which she pretty much becomes an un-dateable. Puzzles me what it could be, but maybe it's a part of the general ageism tendency around here.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: tfcrew on January 05, 2021, 04:27:53 PM
Exceptions only prove the rule, and of course anyone can give the example of Dasha Zhukova, who is pushing 40 and yet was able to successfully remarry after splitting from Roman Abramovitch.
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Dasha Zhukova net worth: Dasha Zhukova is a Russian American businesswoman, art collector, and magazine editor who has a net worth of $100 million.
(http://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-531647898-1503941808.jpg)
39 going on 25 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 05, 2021, 11:28:07 PM
Maybe... Or maybe, I've been watching the development very closely for near 20 years

ANd yet you missed the clear development of FSU.

but relationships based on economic disparity were always a fools errand.

Then you should have never married someone in FSU decades ago,with a child,  where the financial situation was a mess. You lost that medal the moment you or anyone step ground on FSU to pursue a wife. You and him a similar difficulty coming terms with this pill.

there is a long way to go before average earnings come close to the West.

Well done, for missing the observation, remind me again never to ask you for anything financial predictions related. I will give you something, so maybe even you could possibly understand. A house in the city where i am in, next to the mayor and other financially well off people, will cost $150k, how much will it cost for you to live in a similar place? Remind me again, why does someone need to make 7 figures a year in FSU, to live a lifestyle that probably nobody on here can?

I am not disputing FSU vs West. But what i will tell you, and others in FSU, it is not how much you make, but how much you make vs cost of living, i know this might be a very complex calculation for you , and others to comprehend. It involves taking two things into consideration, not just one.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 05, 2021, 11:38:32 PM
Jap, I’m guilty in my post a few days ago at of taking a cheap shot at trenches wage too, but if you read in many topics most of us have given constructive criticism regarding this issue for him and putting everything aside without a doubt it’s the biggest hurdle he faces, if he wants to be successful.

I don't disagree his income is his main issue. But it is hard for him to come to terms with it, but nobody has the right to take constant jabs at him , when they disagree with what he says, then later says the same thing what he says. It is rude, and absurd at the same time. Also Trench has something, that many other people lack, he is flexible in his mindset, for example, if you read some of his posts, he changes his position after accepting new information, also whilst a lot of men here have trouble coming terms that they went to the FSU decades ago to pursue finding a woman, and using their economic leverage to find a woman, Trench can freely accept this. This is attributes many lack, but Trench has. Him and ML i noticed are very good at doing this.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 05, 2021, 11:53:54 PM
Then you should have never married someone in FSU
Lol, any married man has entertained that thought more than once...🤣🎄

As for the rest of your diatribe, yeah well.... :wallbash:
Title: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 06, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
ANd yet you missed the clear development of FSU.

Then you should have never married someone in FSU decades ago,with a
child,  where the financial situation was a mess. You lost that medal the
moment you or anyone step ground on FSU to pursue a wife. You and
him a similar difficulty coming terms with this pill.

I think this discussion might have legs, I have started a poll and a thread
here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=25017.new#new

Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GenMish on January 07, 2021, 05:16:55 AM
'Post wall women' and Trench

I noticed that too Sea Salt, something seems to happen around 40. But it does change, I know 3 men in their 60s that married last year. I think when retirement is around the corner, men will choose their 2nd wife. Thats probably what I will do. I can play golf and tennis everyday, dont need a wife for a few years.

I have been here a couple years, Trench brings it on himself. Sometimes I wonder if he is subconsciously trying for attention.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 07, 2021, 02:32:13 PM
On the topic of Forum Feuding I think it is natural for this to occur. People have different personalities and different views. I personally don't mind it, never have, if anything it is more entertaining and interesting to hear from people that don't agree with me/each other. We don't all necessarily feud with all members on here. I can think of several members that I have disagreed with but not ended up feuding with them. Sometimes based on what they put if it makes logical sense enough to me I have even decided that in the end they were right despite our earlier disagreement. They haven't taken offense either.

I hear that to some feuding can be off-putting especially new members who get landed upon after just asking about a perfectly innocent enough question. There is/was of course one member I think we all know who, who tended to go after these poor unsuspecting 'victims' as fresh easy meat to tuck into lol.

I'm not sure whether there will be much better uptake in new forum members coming forth. I suspect the virus is hindering interest in FSU dating site until people can easily travel in & out without issue. I think it's probably a case that for some people not feuding is a struggle and they won't ever go well with those that don't wish to. Some people just want to have friendly civil discussions, others either get bored of that or can't help themselves and get more energetically involved.

Like I say it all depends on taste, I don't think either feuders or non-feuders are wrong in the way they discuss stuff but I don't think the two like to mix too much. I think some like myself can fit happily into either category where others it's just one or the other. It's why I suggested two forum boards but as to how our forum feuder is occupying himself post muzzling I'm not too sure :-\
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 08, 2021, 06:29:27 AM

He knows his income is an issue, and wants to work at it. Most people don't want to accept they need to change, you got guys who make good money, but are fat, they don't want to believe they need to change. And then hire a dating coach for $10k, who will teach them cheap tricks, which in the end leads them to nowhere.

If they picked u a set of dumbells, made money, they would avoid 99% of the problems they had with women. But like i said, not many like to change. Hence why some guys can swoop in and take what they want, as they are not scared to change.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GenMish on January 08, 2021, 07:01:07 AM
Im going to disagree w/Trench. We should not expect feuding. In 94, you made brothers because of FSU. You didnt disrespect someone, because we needed each other.  If you needed a package to get to your lady, you found out who was the next guy that was going out and sent it to him. There was a lot of trust built up among us. there was no internet, so we shared all the recent information

Then I come here, and there are constant arguments. And over what ? Petty stuff , arguing like schoolgirls
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: John Gaunt on January 08, 2021, 08:12:39 AM
He knows his income is an issue, and wants to work at it. Most people don't want to accept they need to change, you got guys who make good money, but are fat, they don't want to believe they need to change. And then hire a dating coach for $10k, who will teach them cheap tricks, which in the end leads them to nowhere.

If they picked u a set of dumbells, made money, they would avoid 99% of the problems they had with women. But like i said, not many like to change. Hence why some guys can swoop in and take what they want, as they are not scared to change.
That’s exactly it. He deliberately keeps his income low to avoid paying tax because he thinks there’s too many people freeloading off the state and he doesn’t want his money to pay for them. Of course, he still expects to get free healthcare and a pension himself which other taxpayers are funding. So whose the freeloader here.

Then he has some ridiculous notion of taking in lodgers to fund his fsuw hunt.
He’s best remaining in his basement and googling Incel sites.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 08, 2021, 09:14:29 AM
He’s best remaining in his basement and googling Incel sites.

I had to Google Incel, I've never heard of it before.

Incel: A member of an online community of young men who consider themselves
unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile
toward women and men who are sexually active. "self-identified incels have used
the internet to find anonymous support" source Google


Inside the Secret World of Incels
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07fvhmw

Documentary explores the twisted world of women-hating ‘incels’
http://nypost.com/2019/07/12/documentary-explores-the-twisted-world-of-women-hating-incels/

Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: John Gaunt on January 08, 2021, 09:58:56 AM
I had to Google Incel, I've never heard of it before.

Incel: A member of an online community of young men who consider themselves
unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile
toward women and men who are sexually active. "self-identified incels have used
the internet to find anonymous support" source Google


Inside the Secret World of Incels
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07fvhmw

Documentary explores the twisted world of women-hating ‘incels’
http://nypost.com/2019/07/12/documentary-explores-the-twisted-world-of-women-hating-incels/
Incel= Involuntary Celibate
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Faux Pas on January 08, 2021, 11:11:22 AM
I had to Google Incel, I've never heard of it before.

Incel: A member of an online community of young men who consider themselves
unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile
toward women and men who are sexually active. "self-identified incels have used
the internet to find anonymous support" source Google


Inside the Secret World of Incels
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07fvhmw

Documentary explores the twisted world of women-hating ‘incels’
http://nypost.com/2019/07/12/documentary-explores-the-twisted-world-of-women-hating-incels/

I'd never heard of it either

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 08, 2021, 11:38:45 AM
I'd never heard of it either

 :ROFL:
Everything has a title these days - FP I think we just called them "wankers"...🤔
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Admin on January 08, 2021, 03:20:29 PM
Once again, it seems at least a couple of you want to spend your focus on deriding another member. Your points may be made WITHOUT insults or disparagement directed toward others.


I have already snapped a bright red line on this subject. Expect any further posting directed toward disparagement of others to be met with removal and possibly reduction of posting privileges.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2021, 06:25:31 PM
Incel is a term that has come about I recent years. There never used to be a term for guys that couldn't get a girl because there were so few to be worth the trouble. Now there are so many which is why the term has come about and shows the scale of the problem out there.

As Jordan Peterson tells us women only really ever date across or up, they never really tend to date down in terms of social status. So with many more women chasing careers they are essentially removing many men from their list of who they see as acceptable to date. Hence why many men can't get a girl in the west these days, you don't have to exactly be a particularly bad prospect to not have enough social status to get a girl, hence why there are many incels.

Of the girls that are left with the growing obesity epidemic many of those girls that would go with an Incel the Incel won't accept/doesn't want as they are so appallingly unattractive and too low in social status to the Incel due to their fat. So there we have it the perfect storm that ensures misery for many men in today's society. The man in today's society has to climb very high in at least one aspect of life be it money or physical form as Japs highlights for him to be worthy of anything more than some fat ugly chick, if that.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: John Gaunt on January 09, 2021, 12:55:54 AM
Incel is a term that has come about I recent years. There never used to be a term for guys that couldn't get a girl because there were so few to be worth the trouble. Now there are so many which is why the term has come about and shows the scale of the problem out there.

As Jordan Peterson tells us women only really ever date across or up, they never really tend to date down in terms of social status. So with many more women chasing careers they are essentially removing many men from their list of who they see as acceptable to date. Hence why many men can't get a girl in the west these days, you don't have to exactly be a particularly bad prospect to not have enough social status to get a girl, hence why there are many incels.

Of the girls that are left with the growing obesity epidemic many of those girls that would go with an Incel the Incel won't accept/doesn't want as they are so appallingly unattractive and too low in social status to the Incel due to their fat. So there we have it the perfect storm that ensures misery for many men in today's society. The man in today's society has to climb very high in at least one aspect of life be it money or physical form as Japs highlights for him to be worthy of anything more than some fat ugly chick, if that.
Ah, it’s the women’s fault. Nothing to do with your lack of achievement and self worth, and feelings of entitlement?
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on January 09, 2021, 05:09:39 AM
As Jordan Peterson tells us women only really ever date across or up, they never really tend to date down in terms of social status. So with many more women chasing careers they are essentially removing many men from their list of who they see as acceptable to date. Hence why many men can't get a girl in the west these days, you don't have to exactly be a particularly bad prospect to not have enough social status to get a girl, hence why there are many incels.

Of the girls that are left with the growing obesity epidemic many of those girls that would go with an Incel the Incel won't accept/doesn't want as they are so appallingly unattractive and too low in social status to the Incel due to their fat. So there we have it the perfect storm that ensures misery for many men in today's society. The man in today's society has to climb very high in at least one aspect of life be it money or physical form as Japs highlights for him to be worthy of anything more than some fat ugly chick, if that.


Did not mean to ever get involved into discussing the repetitive ridiculousness of the above, as everything that could be said about it has been already said.

Yet, here I am pointing out the obvious for those who might still be reading this.

One's worth on the "marriage market" is always relative and ever-changing. So if the strata of women whom a specific dude was for some reason considering his peers in terms of marriage worthiness, have made an effort, put in the work and upped their social standing and attractiveness -while the said dude did nothing - because he was incapable/too lazy/too slow to realize that things were changing - then yes, the "unattractive fatties" are now his new peers on the marriage market. Either accept that or work on yourself.
Complaining and crying in the corner, cursing women and the general unfairness of life will not change that.

That's my $0.02, I'm an RW and I'm *always right* (LOL tongue planted firmly in cheek).
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 09, 2021, 07:39:21 AM
I'm an RW
With a decidedly EFL accent...🤔
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on January 09, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
With a decidedly EFL accent...🤔

Well, it is what it is.

Had I started posting at a different time -not when everyone is racing to be the first to expose yet another disguise of a banned forum member - perhaps the fact that I speak decent English (yes, at times maybe even with an EFL accent -and I'm going to take it as a compliment to my language abilities), perhaps this fact wouldn't have ruffled so many feathers.

Oh and as I mentioned to another forum member, I've been reading this forum on and off since 2015, so I do have a concept of who's who and what's going on 'round here LOL
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 09, 2021, 12:52:37 PM
Had I started posting at a different time -not when everyone is racing to be the first to expose yet another disguise of a banned forum member
I'm not sure what you're on about as I haven't been here much, other than a little the last few months, for several years...🤔
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2021, 02:40:39 PM
Incel is a term that has come about I recent years. There never used to be a term for guys that couldn't get a girl because there were so few to be worth the trouble. Now there are so many which is why the term has come about and shows the scale of the problem out there.

The mid to late 1990's, so not that recent.

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As Jordan Peterson tells us women only really ever date across or up, they never really tend to date down in terms of social status. So with many more women chasing careers they are essentially removing many men from their list of who they see as acceptable to date. Hence why many men can't get a girl in the west these days, you don't have to exactly be a particularly bad prospect to not have enough social status to get a girl, hence why there are many incels.

So women should stop being educated because some men may not be dateable?

Women do marry men of lower social status.  But, those women will tend to be unhappy in their marriages unless that man takes on more of an equal role.

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Of the girls that are left with the growing obesity epidemic many of those girls that would go with an Incel the Incel won't accept/doesn't want as they are so appallingly unattractive and too low in social status to the Incel due to their fat. So there we have it the perfect storm that ensures misery for many men in today's society. The man in today's society has to climb very high in at least one aspect of life be it money or physical form as Japs highlights for him to be worthy of anything more than some fat ugly chick, if that.

That is simply untrue of young women.  Walk any university campus.  The vast majority of young women are not overweight.  In fact, when I travel through the local campuses (3 that I can think of, including one major university), the women tend to be very slim. 
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: I/O on January 09, 2021, 03:04:14 PM
That is simply untrue of young women.  Walk any university campus.  The vast majority of young women are not overweight.  In fact, when I travel through the local campuses (3 that I can think of, including one major university), the women tend to be very slim
Yes indeed. I was involved in a construction project at the local Uni a few weeks back - whilst onsite, myself and a similarly aging older fool were observing the throngs of "scenery" passing between lecture halls and given many would have been offsite due to Covid restrictions, the scenery was none too shabby - we both remarked on either our improved eyesight since we were young or the figures had improved markedly...🤣

A young bucks paradise I'd suggest....
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 09, 2021, 04:38:54 PM
Most of you missed something important, the 80/20 rule, 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men. There are men with multiple sexual partners, and those women go to the same man other than go to various different guys. It is called friends with benefits, but usually it is a male with multiple casual partners.

Trench also has a point, men are generally short changed. Men are marrying women who make less than them, men are filling up the gyms (especially in the West). Me, my friends , don't feel at times women offer us great value in return. Many of the women i came across were lazy, and i instantly dropped them, they liked that i was hard working, went to the gym, cared for myself, whilst they were just literally young.

My ex Fiance was in a top university in Moscow to be a Dr, will probably study in London on a scholarship, she went to the gym, and has the beauty to be a model. I didn't feel i could do better. My current girl works hard taking care of me, wakes up 6am to cook my meals, cleans the apartment, goes with me to the gym, hence why i feel i could have something with her.

I had a few women in Ukraine, who told me they felt intimidated by me, that i was too good for them. I remember one close friend, and potential partner said she was scared dating me , she would lose her feminity , as she would need to compete with me. A lot of women cannot do it, i lost hope finding women on my level, my ex fiance is the only woman who made me feel inferior, even after a rollercoaster year , she hasn't slacked, and also upped her game. Finding quality women is tricky, and yes, you can say Trench, myself, and my friends are 'incels' or what not.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2021, 05:05:04 PM
Most of you missed something important, the 80/20 rule, 80% of women are having sex with 20% of men. There are men with multiple sexual partners, and those women go to the same man other than go to various different guys. It is called friends with benefits, but usually it is a male with multiple casual partners.

HAHAHA.   Sure.  20% of men, worldwide, are having sex with 80% of women.  Perhaps in your world of casual hook ups, that's the case.  It isn't in the world at large.

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Trench also has a point, men are generally short changed. Men are marrying women who make less than them, men are filling up the gyms (especially in the West). Me, my friends , don't feel at times women offer us great value in return. Many of the women i came across were lazy, and i instantly dropped them, they liked that i was hard working, went to the gym, cared for myself, whilst they were just literally young.

No, men are not short changed.  WW who are worth having, have something described as "options".  That typically doesn't include misogynists who are underemployed.

You can find women who are gym bunnies, if that's what is important to you.  You can find women who are intellectuals.  You can find women who are business oriented.  You can find women who want to be homemakers and mothers.  The variety is infinite. 

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I had a few women in Ukraine, who told me they felt intimidated by me, that i was too good for them. I remember one close friend, and potential partner said she was scared dating me , she would lose her feminity , as she would need to compete with me. A lot of women cannot do it, i lost hope finding women on my level, my ex fiance is the only woman who made me feel inferior, even after a rollercoaster year , she hasn't slacked, and also upped her game. Finding quality women is tricky, and yes, you can say Trench, myself, and my friends are 'incels' or what not.

LOL.  And you believed that cr@p?  That's a rhetorical question, BTW.


Yes indeed. I was involved in a construction project at the local Uni a few weeks back - whilst onsite, myself and a similarly aging older fool were observing the throngs of "scenery" passing between lecture halls and given many would have been offsite due to Covid restrictions, the scenery was none too shabby - we both remarked on either our improved eyesight since we were young or the figures had improved markedly...🤣

A young bucks paradise I'd suggest....


Many, many moons ago, when the better half was still relatively young, he was working in central Kyiv.  He and his crew had to work in the park off Podil.  The park had many dances, catering to the nearby naval facility.  As the crew was working, one of the men in his crew noticed the young girls, showing off their bodies to attract the cadets.  The man said, incredulously mostly to himself (paraphrasing), "They are as interested in attracting them (the cadets) as vice versa."  Another crew member flicked his cigarette and said, "Ivan, you're fifty years old.  It's a little late in your life to come to this realization."
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 10, 2021, 12:33:44 AM
HAHAHA.   Sure.  20% of men, worldwide, are having sex with 80% of women.  Perhaps in your world of casual hook ups, that's the case.  It isn't in the world at large.

Studies have showed it, well for my generation. Not all casual, some women are being cheated on, pursuing the same guy etc


No, men are not short changed.  WW who are worth having, have something described as "options". 

You can find women who are gym bunnies, if that's what is important to you.  You can find women who are intellectuals.  You can find women who are business oriented.  You can find women who want to be homemakers and mothers.  The variety is infinite. 


Read what i said again, i said there are more men in these places than women, it is not equal, amount of men in gyms, amount of men making more than women, amount of men who have (successful) businesses, amount of men even doing STEM. What women do dominate in, is amount of women in fashion related jobs, nursing etc

Also me and my friends don't just want someone one dimensional, we like someone who can do multiple things. If we go to the gym, work, we expect the woman to do so also. In my case it isn't that she works, but that she can care for the home, kids, go to the gym with me. But as i said, rarely do we find women who match us. These women do exist, but like i said there are more men than women who are multifunctional.

You like to look at things microscopically, find an example of where it is not the case, and then use that example for an overall picture. I like to look at the overall picture, and accept contrary examples exist (Hence i mentioned women who are multifunctional)



LOL.  And you believed that cr@p?  That's a rhetorical question, BTW.


One thing i noticed is when i do show you proof, you go silent. I put too much pressure on women to be multifunctional, if not, i expect them not to be lazy. It is hard to find women who can be multifunctional. I found gym bunnies who were lazy in caring for the man, as in cleaning the apartment, but wanted a man to care for her.

I found young hot women who cared for me, but were also lazy in their outlook to fitness, they just didn't have drive. Rarely do i find women who are not lazy, luckily girl i am with now isn't lazy, my ex fiance was not lazy, the effort a man puts in is matched by their effort more or less.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GenMish on January 10, 2021, 09:21:47 AM
I googled the 80/20 thingy, didnt find any studies. I found a dating couch that said there was a study, but no verification.

Personally, I find that impossible to believe, and the dating coach just wants people to pay $100.hr for his coaching as he will show guys how to be in that top 20%
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: ML on January 10, 2021, 09:36:50 AM
I googled the 80/20 thingy, didnt find any studies. I found a dating couch that said there was a study, but no verification.

Personally, I find that impossible to believe, and the dating coach just wants people to pay $100.hr for his coaching as he will show guys how to be in that top 20%

Right now, with my 9 broken ribs and broken collar bone, I am not up to having sex with 80% of the women.

So you guys, please take up the slack.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: GenMish on January 10, 2021, 11:31:35 AM
Right now, with my 9 broken ribs and broken collar bone, I am not up to having sex with 80% of the women.

So you guys, please take up the slack.

9 ribs and the collar bone? Dang ML, Ive only gotten a few pulled muscles, twisted ankle , and near heart attack pleasing all these women. But never broken bones. I hope your Doc told you to stay away from those energetic 20 yr olds
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2021, 12:06:46 PM
That is simply untrue of young women.  Walk any university campus.  The vast majority of young women are not overweight.  In fact, when I travel through the local campuses (3 that I can think of, including one major university), the women tend to be very slim.

Fat women are also somewhat regional and income related. I went to one of my
stepsons wedding at the border of rural Iowa and Nebraska and all the women
were fat (I don't know about the college age women). I've also noticed it's more
prevalent among women who are lower on the economic scale. 

Here in Austin that's not the case at all, neither was it in San Francisco or most of
Silicon Valley.

It might also be where men meet women. Meet her in a bar and she is far more
likely to be a bar fly. Meet her at the gym or at a store that sells running shoes
and the results are probably going to be different.

Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Boethius on January 10, 2021, 02:44:41 PM
Studies have showed it, well for my generation. Not all casual, some women are being cheated on, pursuing the same guy etc


Please link these studies.  I mean, peer reviewed studies, not something from a PUA site.  I doubt, very highly, that 20% of men are sleeping with 80% of women in any country, let alone worldwide.

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Read what i said again, i said there are more men in these places than women, it is not equal, amount of men in gyms, amount of men making more than women, amount of men who have (successful) businesses, amount of men even doing STEM. What women do dominate in, is amount of women in fashion related jobs, nursing etc

I did read what you said.  I think you are wrong. 

There is a lid for every pot.  Every man can find a woman who has what interests him, be it physical, intellectual, emotional, or monetary.  If a man believes he has to go abroad to find a woman, it is because he is lacking something that WW find attractive (Note - I said "has to", not "wants to").

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Also me and my friends don't just want someone one dimensional, we like someone who can do multiple things. If we go to the gym, work, we expect the woman to do so also. In my case it isn't that she works, but that she can care for the home, kids, go to the gym with me. But as i said, rarely do we find women who match us. These women do exist, but like i said there are more men than women who are multifunctional.

Nope.  You may think you are some great catch, but in reality, you are ordinary.  Just like everyone else in the world.  Every person has strengths and flaws.  What have you really stated above?  That a woman needs to fit in your world, what suits you, and you will be magnanimous enough to support her financially.  There is no consideration of her dreams, goals and desires.  It's all about you.  Nothing more.

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You like to look at things microscopically, find an example of where it is not the case, and then use that example for an overall picture. I like to look at the overall picture, and accept contrary examples exist (Hence i mentioned women who are multifunctional)

You don't look at the overall picture.  You take what people write and focus on one aspect, then twist it to suit what you want. 

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One thing i noticed is when i do show you proof, you go silent. I put too much pressure on women to be multifunctional, if not, i expect them not to be lazy. It is hard to find women who can be multifunctional. I found gym bunnies who were lazy in caring for the man, as in cleaning the apartment, but wanted a man to care for her.

You've never shown proof.  I go silent because (a) my real life is more interesting than arguing with you; or (b) I haven't logged in and read your response, and by the time I do, the "conversation" has moved on; (c) I believe it would be fruitless to beat a dead horse; and (d) all of the above.




Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: ML on January 10, 2021, 02:46:31 PM
I went to one of my stepson's wedding at the border of rural Iowa and Nebraska and all the women
were fat
Angel Eyes has a son living in Iowa ?
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: ML on January 10, 2021, 02:51:03 PM

Here in Austin that's not the case at all, neither was it in San Francisco or most of
Silicon Valley.

Once I spent a couple of days at a conference at Texas A&M Univ.
Saw more pretty faced college girls than I remember seeing anywhere.

And, by the way, 'Aggie' is no longer considered a slur but rather a badge of honor and respect.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 10, 2021, 07:50:56 PM
Ah, it’s the women’s fault. Nothing to do with your lack of achievement and self worth, and feelings of entitlement?

Why is it that a man who hasn't got a girl well its alwys turned on him, he hasn't done well enough, worked hard enough, hasn't developed himself enough, his character, personality, etc? I mean I don't see the same leveled at single women, why not? In fact very little ctriticism is often made of them, they apparently have very little need to improve themselves, have any failings or need of You Tube self help videos, lol.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: John Gaunt on January 10, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Why is it that a man who hasn't got a girl well its alwys turned on him, he hasn't done well enough, worked hard enough, hasn't developed himself enough, his character, personality, etc? I mean I don't see the same leveled at single women, why not? In fact very little ctriticism is often made of them, they apparently have very little need to improve themselves, have any failings or need of You Tube self help videos, lol.
Forgive me if I hurt your feelings

I don’t see any women come on here and slag off men in their home countries for being slobs with beer bellies hanging over their trousers and not earning enough money?
Perhaps if you didn’t come on here and spout your misogynistic claptrap you wouldn’t get the criticism you do.
LOL indeed.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: John Gaunt on January 10, 2021, 10:34:36 PM
Studies have showed it, well for my generation. Not all casual, some women are being cheated on, pursuing the same guy etc


Read what i said again, i said there are more men in these places than women, it is not equal, amount of men in gyms, amount of men making more than women, amount of men who have (successful) businesses, amount of men even doing STEM. What women do dominate in, is amount of women in fashion related jobs, nursing etc

Also me and my friends don't just want someone one dimensional, we like someone who can do multiple things. If we go to the gym, work, we expect the woman to do so also. In my case it isn't that she works, but that she can care for the home, kids, go to the gym with me. But as i said, rarely do we find women who match us. These women do exist, but like i said there are more men than women who are multifunctional.

You like to look at things microscopically, find an example of where it is not the case, and then use that example for an overall picture. I like to look at the overall picture, and accept contrary examples exist (Hence i mentioned women who are multifunctional)


One thing i noticed is when i do show you proof, you go silent. I put too much pressure on women to be multifunctional, if not, i expect them not to be lazy. It is hard to find women who can be multifunctional. I found gym bunnies who were lazy in caring for the man, as in cleaning the apartment, but wanted a man to care for her.

I found young hot women who cared for me, but were also lazy in their outlook to fitness, they just didn't have drive. Rarely do i find women who are not lazy, luckily girl i am with now isn't lazy, my ex fiance was not lazy, the effort a man puts in is matched by their effort more or less.
In other words you just want some hot totty to cook and clean for you, support you in your chosen pursuits, sing your praises, with sex on demand.
You and Trench are just the same.
Although Trench is a little more honest in his opinions while you colour it more verbosely.
Title: Re: Forum Feuding
Post by: japtats on January 11, 2021, 01:06:12 AM

I did read what you said.  I think you are wrong. 


Luckily numbers don't care what you think. Men earn more on average, more men are in the gyms, more men in STEM, more women do nursing and fashion related careers. Rest of your argument about pot and lids is another strawman attempt. Because i already stated such women exist, but again you want to ignore facts, and stick to delusion. My point was never that there is no lid for the teapot, but rather there are more pots that lids. This is not quantum mechanics, relatively simple idea, backed up with numbers , but your brain is obsessed with not shifting, so it is hard for you to shift it.

 It is getting clear and clearer why you thought the recently banned member had a string of chance to be a multimillionaire, you don't like to change your perceptions, and purposely ignore things that a very simple.



If a man believes he has to go abroad to find a woman, it is because he is lacking something that WW find attractive (Note - I said "has to", not "wants to").



Agree, but i would go further, a man's worth is amplified when going to FSU, also giving the woman an option of moving back to the West, everything is amplified. You think i was going to disagree or get hurt by you stating this obvious and agreeable statement? I am not your friends on here.


Nope.  You may think you are some great catch, but in reality, you are ordinary.  Just like everyone else in the world.  Every person has strengths and flaws.

Strengths and flaws yes, but not everyone is ordinary, some people actually do great things. Some people are born into a noble situation, which people admire. So for you, maybe some people are ordinary, but if you been around extraordinary people who accomplished great things, you will see the difference, and i am not talking about myself here


In other words you just want some hot totty to cook and clean for you, support you in your chosen pursuits, sing your praises, with sex on demand.
You and Trench are just the same.
Although Trench is a little more honest in his opinions while you colour it more verbosely.

In other words i go to the gym, earn, she cooks, cleans, cares for the family, goes to the gym. I also want to care for the family in areas she will not be able to (educate them in STEM subjects with home education). It is actually a pretty common setup, but not everyone can do it financially. It is two people working together and building a life together, supporting each other in areas one might be better than the other in. For some of you, bank balance and payroll is important, for others having sex multiple times a day, a happy family, being healthy, and looking good is more important. You do you, and i do i
Title: Forum Feuding
Post by: 2tallbill on January 11, 2021, 05:26:35 PM
Right now, with my 9 broken ribs and broken collar bone, I am not up to having sex with 80% of the women.

You are having sex in the wrong places (or while driving).
Use the same rules as texting. If it's not safe to text in a
given situation, then it's not safe to have sex in the situation.