Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: TheReality411 on July 26, 2014, 03:45:24 PM
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Hi guys!
I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject. Here's the short version.
1st- treat these women EXACTLY as you would a woman you met at home. If you wouldn't take a woman you just met at a bar to the mall, within a day or two of meeting her, and start buying her gifts, then DO NOT do it on your trip! These women may live in an impoverished country but they ARE NOT stupid! One way woman part you from your wallet is by knowing time is of the essence. There is some desperation on the travelers part because time is so short. These women know that most of the men are desperate to keep her interest so one strategy she may use is to act very Interested until she gains his confidence, and then suddenly start giving the subtle impression that she is losing interest. Again, she's not stupid, she knows that if there are only a week or so left in his trip he is going to start to panic. That is when you may suddenly find yourself in an expensive shopping district. Ever hear the saying "money can't buy love"? She will hint around that a handbag looks nice, or what have you, to see if you are willing to spend money on her. DONT! If you don't spend money on her and she sulks, acts irritated or acts even less interested than before, then you know exactly what she was up to. If you do buy her something and she is suddenly all over you again, consider yourself milked and run!! DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! It is truly the ONLY way to know if she is interested in you or if she is interested in how much money is waiting for her in your wallet. Many men find that they get caught up in the excitement, they buy the woman something, come to their senses, close the wallet and then suddenly find that their new "girlfriend" has a million excuses as to why she can no longer see you. Be smart, don't get so flattered by the fact that an 18 year old is looking at you like you are George Clooney (when in all actuality you look more like George Costanza) that you get carried away and lose your common sense. Until you show her differently, she may think you have the wallet of George Clooney! Remember, all they know about American men is what they've seen in the movies and been told by other people and all you know about them is what other people have told you. Only believe what you experience yourself! Does it really seem possible or realistic that all beautiful Russian women look like Miss Universe but act like June Cleaver?! Enjoy your trip but keep your head on straight!!!
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Here's the short version.
Thanks for not suffering us the long version.
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;D
You're lucky, my thesis was a book!
:rules:
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Now, you tell us !!
If I had only known before.
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my thesis was a book!
Hope it was published on soft paper.
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DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip!
This wealth of information just blew me away!
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dear mr Reality411,
Give a woman a flower, and you will receive in measure something equal in value to a flower.
give a woman all that you CAN give and she will give you all that she CAN give
this from a man who violated your rules to the maximum he was able to, and is still in love with the same woman 15 years later, and married to her for 14 and w/ kids
In short, it's not about her, it's about you, be genuine, and you will be with someone genuine
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Hi guys!
I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject. Here's the short version.
There is more advice than you might think here on this board about not getting
fleeced by prodaters (see we even have a name for it)
You just came on a little strong. A better idea to start out is to introduce
yourself and how and why you found the forum. Have you been to the
FSU? dated or married a FSUW? stuff like that.
Then you could say "hey believe it or not, I wrote a thesis on XYZ" I could
post a little synopsis if anyone is interested.
Everyone would have said, "sure I would like to check it out". Also, if you
notice that I put in a blank space for no reason grammatically, it's because
it makes my post easier to read. So when you post a big block of information
break it up every 4-6 lines, more people will read it.
Udachi!
Bill
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Everyone would have said, "sure I would like to check it out".
Nah, there's still enough founding members of the CBC left lurking around who'd have stuck it to him anyway. :cluebat:
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Hi guys!
I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject..........
That's old stuff to the regular readers of this forum :-\, and years ago we also produced a downloadable E-book (Men of the West - Women From the East) on the whole subject, as well as some Anti-Scam Tools.
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Thanks for not suffering us the long version.
:D
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DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip!
Most of what you wrote is good but I disagree with the above. If a guy invests months of his life communicating with a woman, he should bring gifts from his country, not just a flower. The gifts shouldn't have to be expensive but they should have thought put into them and be meaningful.
At this site when a woman takes a man on a shopping trip, we recommend the guy to turn around, walk away and never look back. Bad manners shouldn't be tolerated. A guy not bringing gifts from home is also bad manners.
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Nah, there's still enough founding members of the CBC left lurking around who'd have stuck it to him anyway. :cluebat:
(http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/moods/laughter.gif)
Probably, but a little decorum might have softened the drubbing.
I'm now inspired to start several new informative threads
1. Did you know that they use a different alphabet in many
parts of the FSU? They call it Cyrillic
2. FSUW have sexy accents, who knew?
3. A hearty soup/stew with beets (they call it borscht)
4. Short skirts and heels they might be on to something here
5. Kopecks a hundred make a Ruble (Hryvnia)
6. Russian snow (it's cold and wet)
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I made a big mistake in the past with a Colombian woman whom I was engaged to. I was too generous and gave her whatever she wanted. She was happy with the gift - but her happiness lasted only 5 minutes!!
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Hi guys!
DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! It is truly the ONLY way to know if she is interested in you or if she is interested in how much money is waiting for her in your wallet.
I wouldn't give her only flower, but I would give her a good souvenir, something from your country. For example, if you live in Pisa, Italy, obviously give her a small statue of the leaning tower. Nothing expensive though.
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Russian snow (it's cold and wet)
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Well, quite often the snow is not wet . . . because it's too cold !
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She was happy with the gift - but her happiness lasted only 5 minutes!!
Maybe because that's as long as you 'lasted.'
If you can last for an hour . . . she would be ecstatic.
Try it . . . she'll like it.
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I wonder how many women were interested in the OP after finding out he only bought them a flower.
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Well, quite often the snow is not wet . . . because it's too cold !
I currently live in North Dakota, and we only have 7 months of snow.
I agree that when it get really cold out the snow can be dry, but if
you get a little of that dry snow in your boot then it will be wet soon
enough.
You talked me out of it. I guess you are right that particular idea won't
be good thread starter material :D I'll have to come up with some other
riveting idea ;D
Here is me driving in late April on a beautiful spring day in North Dakota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRBZs3Q2Yeg&list=UUvFUHQZ_ja1G16LqA3VT9ZQ
My window rolled down when it was -19F and wouldn't roll back up. The
switch broke of in my hand when I tried to get the window back up. I
went into a grocery store and convinced them to give me a roll of shrink
wrap which I used to make my own window
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqMnnJ5LWCc&index=13&list=UUvFUHQZ_ja1G16LqA3VT9ZQ
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It never ceases to amaze me that some men can behave so differently when with Russian women that they would with local women.
Maybe they are just completely unfamiliar with all women ?
I usually just took a tourist type book from Chicago or longer ago some good coffee.
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Thanks for not suffering us the long version.
Here's my short version: Guys like this can protect their wallet by simply staying home. Don't bother spending any money on airfare, hotels or apartments, meals and translators. Since you don't have even a remote clue that women like to be romanced by generous men who don't begrudge a woman for being a woman; stay home and date that lovely fatty at McDonald's who is pining for the one flower she is likely to receive in her lifetime. Next! :cluebat:
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My window rolled down when it was -19F and wouldn't roll back up. The switch broke of in my hand when I tried to get the window back up. I went into a grocery store and convinced them to give me a roll of shrink wrap which I used to make my own window
OMG Bill, this gives me the chills thinking about it.
For many, many years I ordered cars from the factory specifying NO ELECTRIC WINDOWS. The dealers all told me it was stupid, because everyone wants electric windows. I said NO.
Why they asked?
Here's what will happen I told them.
It is pouring rain. You pull into the airport parking lot, put the window down, take the ticket . . . and the window doesn't go back up. Your flight leaves in 20-30 minutes (this was back before terrorists).
But, at some year, don't remember what, it became impossible to even order a car without electric windows. Still a pretty stupid idea to have electric windows. Elect door lock is OK, because key will still work if electric lock fails. But electric windows . . . you are focked big time as Bill found out.
I had a big monster of a Caddy once. Not only were the elec window controls on the door . . . the windshield wiper control was there also. A very stupid idea . . . because the wires have to go from the door around to the windshield motor area. So everytime the door opens and closes, some wear occurs on the wires. Luckily, a near problem was discovered during some routine check up, and the wiper wires were mended.
Moon roof is another stupid idea. An area on top of car, sunken down with seals that will wear out at some point along with the open - close mechanism . . . yeah, let's make it . . . a lot of idiots will buy it.
And leather seats that are cold in winter and make your legs and a$$ sweat in summer. Oh yeah, we can fix that with some electric wires under your butt and some sort of cooling device. Should be pretty trouble free.
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ML,
Those are Midwest stories. I moved to Southern California so I could have moon roofs AND electric windows. Every once in a while my daughter's convertible top doesn't work. But that's only when it is already up - the motor won't work to put the top down.
Life is good here.
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Here's my short version:
I thought the "impoverished country" part was the low point.
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Hi guys!
I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject. Here's the short version.
1st- treat these women EXACTLY as you would a woman you met at home. If you wouldn't take a woman you just met at a bar to the mall, within a day or two of meeting her, and start buying her gifts, then DO NOT do it on your trip! These women may live in an impoverished country but they ARE NOT stupid! One way woman part you from your wallet is by knowing time is of the essence. There is some desperation on the travelers part because time is so short. These women know that most of the men are desperate to keep her interest so one strategy she may use is to act very Interested until she gains his confidence, and then suddenly start giving the subtle impression that she is losing interest. Again, she's not stupid, she knows that if there are only a week or so left in his trip he is going to start to panic. That is when you may suddenly find yourself in an expensive shopping district. Ever hear the saying "money can't buy love"? She will hint around that a handbag looks nice, or what have you, to see if you are willing to spend money on her. DONT! If you don't spend money on her and she sulks, acts irritated or acts even less interested than before, then you know exactly what she was up to. If you do buy her something and she is suddenly all over you again, consider yourself milked and run!! DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! It is truly the ONLY way to know if she is interested in you or if she is interested in how much money is waiting for her in your wallet. Many men find that they get caught up in the excitement, they buy the woman something, come to their senses, close the wallet and then suddenly find that their new "girlfriend" has a million excuses as to why she can no longer see you. Be smart, don't get so flattered by the fact that an 18 year old is looking at you like you are George Clooney (when in all actuality you look more like George Costanza) that you get carried away and lose your common sense. Until you show her differently, she may think you have the wallet of George Clooney! Remember, all they know about American men is what they've seen in the movies and been told by other people and all you know about them is what other people have told you. Only believe what you experience yourself! Does it really seem possible or realistic that all beautiful Russian women look like Miss Universe but act like June Cleaver?! Enjoy your trip but keep your head on straight!!!
Good advice and more importantly...thank you for taking the time to share your advice.
Also.... :welcome:
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OMG Bill, this gives me the chills thinking about it.
For many, many years I ordered cars from the factory specifying NO ELECTRIC WINDOWS. The dealers all told me it was stupid, because everyone wants electric windows. I said NO.
Why they asked?
Here's what will happen I told them.
It is pouring rain. You pull into the airport parking lot, put the window down, take the ticket . . . and the window doesn't go back up. Your flight leaves in 20-30 minutes (this was back before terrorists).
But, at some year, don't remember what, it became impossible to even order a car without electric windows. Still a pretty stupid idea to have electric windows. Elect door lock is OK, because key will still work if electric lock fails. But electric windows . . . you are focked big time as Bill found out.
I had a big monster of a Caddy once. Not only were the elec window controls on the door . . . the windshield wiper control was there also. A very stupid idea . . . because the wires have to go from the door around to the windshield motor area. So everytime the door opens and closes, some wear occurs on the wires. Luckily, a near problem was discovered during some routine check up, and the wiper wires were mended.
Moon roof is another stupid idea. An area on top of car, sunken down with seals that will wear out at some point along with the open - close mechanism . . . yeah, let's make it . . . a lot of idiots will buy it.
And leather seats that are cold in winter and make your legs and a$$ sweat in summer. Oh yeah, we can fix that with some electric wires under your butt and some sort of cooling device. Should be pretty trouble free.
I also request a crank shaft to start the car Never know when the battery goes down.
Or course no power steering or power braking. Let alone airconditiong, it may only break.
Still wondering why they do no longer sel wooden wheels.
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For example, if you live in Pisa, Italy, obviously give her a small statue of the leaning tower. Nothing expensive though.
Only if it's 7-8 inches long and battery operated.
Otherwise spare her the cheap BS.
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Only if it's 7-8 inches long and battery operated.
Otherwise spare her the cheap BS.
lol I have a large statue of Leaning Tower statue... actually a lampshade! But I hardly use it as lampshde... just for display it lol
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I thought the "impoverished country" part was the low point.
Does this mean that you preferred his short version over mine? I just do not understand how a man could afford to take a trip, but apparently cannot afford, or will not afford, to properly wine and dine the woman he has been in contact with.
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properly wine and dine the woman
Define properly?
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There is a balance between being a stooge and being greedy. Not sure where the balance lies, but surely you can figure it out in person. Or not.
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Define properly?
One flower would not meet my definition of proper.
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One flower would not meet my definition of proper.
Although we had only emailed a couple of times, and spoken on the phone once (she was very much a backup plan after my WOVO went awry in 2010), a woman whom I met in Kyiv was quite appreciative of the single flower which I gave her. She told me that she was NOT a fan of flowers in general (Please note, guys, they don't ALL want bouquets!), but that a single flower in the circumstances of our meeting was quite appropriate.
A very nice lady, who didn't try to bleed me dry by taking me to the most expensive restaurant in Kyiv (we had a very nice dinner for about 200 UAH, from memory) and with whom I felt I had quite a bit in common. However, her alcohol intake was rather more than I would have been comfortable with in a long-term relationship, so I had no regrets that I wouldn't see her again after I left the city.
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her alcohol intake was rather more than I would have been comfortable with in a long-term relationship
Lol, a p!sspot and tea totaller - man I'd've liked to've seen that..!! :ROFL:
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Although we had only emailed a couple of times, and spoken on the phone once (she was very much a backup plan after my WOVO went awry in 2010), a woman whom I met in Kyiv was quite appreciative of the single flower which I gave her. She told me that she was NOT a fan of flowers in general (Please note, guys, they don't ALL want bouquets!), but that a single flower in the circumstances of our meeting was quite appropriate.
A very nice lady, who didn't try to bleed me dry by taking me to the most expensive restaurant in Kyiv (we had a very nice dinner for about 200 UAH, from memory) and with whom I felt I had quite a bit in common. However, her alcohol intake was rather more than I would have been comfortable with in a long-term relationship, so I had no regrets that I wouldn't see her again after I left the city.
Perhaps her way of saying that she would prefer a fifth of Scotch to a bouquet. My attitude is that in love and war, the only way to proceed is all in.
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Just now looked in your thread here TR411...
You got a lot of heat from the crowd for your first OP...ha-hah! What's new, right?
Listen, to most, your thoughts would appear *elementary* but don't leave thinking your advice is not a good one. Even at the present time. I agree with the underlying message because believe or not, there are still many that actually *use* money and wealth in their pursuit of a woman's attention.
Cases in point:
Not too long ago, there was a wonderful FSUW who was kind enough to grace us with her presence. She gave the men a lot of wonderful rub-a-dub-dub insights into a FSUW's psyche, needs, desires and longing and how such a woman look upon the fairy tale dreams of meeting a western man, her MOB knight in spanking shiny armor-all.
Read that thread here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15849.msg327453#msg327453 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15849.msg327453#msg327453)
(Please do take note of the adoring men's reaction to her wisdom).
Here's another recent story of an MOBer who wasn't shy to show *other evidences of his (the) feelings* MaryKugut would be proud: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=16713.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=16713.0)
So you see, your effort, while may seem futile, obviously is not so for the *many*. They just pretend you're not talking to them ;)
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Lol, a p!sspot and tea totaller - man I'd've liked to've seen that..!! :ROFL:
Let's have a bit more respect for your elders, West Islander! No, she wasn't a pisspot, but she did have about half a bottle of wine spread through the evening - every evening... :D She must have liked me, because we had three dates - she could have just walked away after the first if she found my presence manliness too intimidating! 8)
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Perhaps her way of saying that she would prefer a fifth of Scotch to a bouquet. My attitude is that in love and war, the only way to proceed is all in.
Dunno about scotch, but she certainly likes red wine. Somehow I don't think that we had time to get to the "love and war" part of the equation.
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I would take whatever advice you may receive from that MOBer-in-denial with a grain of salt...
Don't you find it funny that he keeps calling everyone else old yet forgetting to mention he's no spring chicken himself.
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Sounds like good advice by the first poster, even if it is old news to more experienced folks.
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Sounds like good advice by the first poster, even if it is old news to more experienced folks.
Drew, nobody is arguing against it being good advice. What is annoying to some is that it is identical to what has been written on this forum many times before, and which he could have found by searching for this particular topic.
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Drew, nobody is arguing against it being good advice. What is annoying to some is that it is identical to what has been written on this forum many times before, and which he could have found by searching for this particular topic.
Such advice bears repeating from time to time.
The RWD posters tend to be kind to the more humble new members. Personally, I don't mind brashness if it is supported by logic if not facts. We old timers certainly don't know everything.
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The conclusion is clear - not to wrestle with whether a man loves Russian beauty or she loves his wullet - there is only a single way - to put in order their appearance. Become a sexually, irresistible man. And then women will lose their head is from you and not from economic indicators.
So, dear men, just go to dentistry, to plastic surgeons, stylists, make yourself very attractive.
It is unfair, but the fact remains - the love emerges only when there is a physical attractiveness.
Just as men do not see the beautiful qualities in plump women, also for women, whose facial features are far from ideal, as we are, ladies, fall in love, getting excited and wild with a damn charming and attractive men only.
Легче всего жаловаться на форуме, чем действительно пойти к хирургу, глазки увеличить, сделать красивый носик и мужественный подбородочек, зубки привести в порядочек. и она Вас полюбит, не сомневайтесь! А потом можно будет действительно наслаждаться любовью. :)
Then any woman will keep even just a flower you gave her, in crystal box and carefully kiss it for the rest of her days. :)
Всем искренне желаю удачи. :)
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It is unfair, but the fact remains - the love emerges only when there is a physical attractiveness.
Just as men do not see the beautiful qualities in plump women, also for women, whose facial features are far from ideal, as we are, ladies, fall in love, getting excited and wild with a damn charming and attractive men only.
Amber, your words are simply not true.
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Of course, I do not insist or persuade anyone to agree with me.
I am just firm in my opnion, as well as anyone has their thoughts about any thing.
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I am just firm in my opinion, as well as anyone has their thoughts about any thing.
Understood, however one's continuing opinions and thoughts should not fly in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.
For thousands of years of recorded history, it has been demonstrated that women do fall in love with men who are not physically attractive.
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Understood, however one's continuing opinions and thoughts should not fly in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.
For thousands of years of recorded history, it has been demonstrated that women do fall in love with men who are not physically attractive.
Not physically attractive to other men. ;D
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For thousands of years of recorded history, it has been demonstrated that women do fall in love with men who are not physically attractive.
It happens but not so frequent. Are you sure in your examples the women are in love?
Enlightenment awaits you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yfuNQQaitrE
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Amber, your words are simply not true.
It's always worked for me..so seems reasonably accurate :D
and i did take her post as a bit tongue in cheek
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I think there is a lot of truth in what Amber said but there are also a lot of other reasons women fall in love with a man. A lot of money would be one. In that case they fall in love with what he can provide, power is another big one and power comes in many forms. Lots of rock stars have been really ugly but had no problem attracting women. Being rugged or bad can be another. Women are foolishly attracted to bad men and I can recall one guy I knew who wasn't handsome at all but was very rugged complete with a big scar on his face. I noticed women paid a lot of attention to him. Being a nice person can be another but it will usually provide the most appeal to intelligent women or those who have had their fill of bad men.
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Women are foolishly attracted to bad men
Bad men quickly hit on every woman. Nice guys usually hit on one women at a time and it may take them months to build up enough courage to ask a lady for a date. You kick the ball at the net more times than the other guy, you're likely to score more goals. One reason nice guys finish last and get less women is simply because they aren't aggressive enough, not because their nice.
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Hi guys!
I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject. Here's the short version.
1st- treat these women EXACTLY as you would a woman you met at home. If you wouldn't take a woman you just met at a bar to the mall, within a day or two of meeting her, and start buying her gifts, then DO NOT do it on your trip! These women may live in an impoverished country but they ARE NOT stupid! One way woman part you from your wallet is by knowing time is of the essence. There is some desperation on the travelers part because time is so short. These women know that most of the men are desperate to keep her interest so one strategy she may use is to act very Interested until she gains his confidence, and then suddenly start giving the subtle impression that she is losing interest. Again, she's not stupid, she knows that if there are only a week or so left in his trip he is going to start to panic. That is when you may suddenly find yourself in an expensive shopping district. Ever hear the saying "money can't buy love"? She will hint around that a handbag looks nice, or what have you, to see if you are willing to spend money on her. DONT! If you don't spend money on her and she sulks, acts irritated or acts even less interested than before, then you know exactly what she was up to. If you do buy her something and she is suddenly all over you again, consider yourself milked and run!! DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! It is truly the ONLY way to know if she is interested in you or if she is interested in how much money is waiting for her in your wallet. Many men find that they get caught up in the excitement, they buy the woman something, come to their senses, close the wallet and then suddenly find that their new "girlfriend" has a million excuses as to why she can no longer see you. Be smart, don't get so flattered by the fact that an 18 year old is looking at you like you are George Clooney (when in all actuality you look more like George Costanza) that you get carried away and lose your common sense. Until you show her differently, she may think you have the wallet of George Clooney! Remember, all they know about American men is what they've seen in the movies and been told by other people and all you know about them is what other people have told you. Only believe what you experience yourself! Does it really seem possible or realistic that all beautiful Russian women look like Miss Universe but act like June Cleaver?! Enjoy your trip but keep your head on straight!!!
Great story!! Of course lots will not agree, but that depends if your are so sad you think the only way to find love is to buy it!Clearly you cannot buy it in your own country so decide to try your luck in a "So called" poor country! Probably the reason so many guys get fleeced.