Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: Yos3 on July 12, 2020, 04:48:06 AM
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Hello
With looking for a FSU women, and finding one that is not looking for a rich daddy, how much yearly salary is a good amount to make? Would anything in the 40-60 grand a year be good for mid sized lower living cost city?
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You are going to need a bunch money to find the right woman, travel et cetera. Then when you find her it will immigration fees and bringing her over here. Then you will need to buy her a new wardrobe, get health insurance and probably a car and insurance.
Good luck!
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looking for an FSU wife?
why would you contemplate doing something you seem to know so little about?
would you go scuba diving or sky diving without knowing WTF you're doing?
cuz if you do you gonna die sucker
guess what?
same thing with wimmin
so you better learn WTF you're doing first
before embarking on a plan to hook up with some Russian Deavochka
Que Sabe?
oh, and 60k, I assume USD is minimal for you and a middle-aged woman, to buy groceries with but NOT enuff to have kids on....
and I know EXACTLY how much raising kids costs!!
have it all on an Excel Spreadsheet
and you think they're grateful - HA!
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Hello
With looking for a FSU women, and finding one that is not looking for a rich daddy, how much yearly salary is a good amount to make? Would anything in the 40-60 grand a year be good for mid sized lower living cost city?
To sponsor a woman to America, our government requires you to make 25% more than the poverty level and that number is currently under $30,000. Most of a wife's happiness depends on you, not your wallet.
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Hello
With looking for a FSU women, and finding one that is not looking for a rich daddy, how much yearly salary is a good amount to make? Would anything in the 40-60 grand a year be good for mid sized lower living cost city?
That's not enough information to go on. There are too many
unknown factors to consider.
Do you own your house?
Do you have kids?
Does she have kids?
Will you have kids?
Is your income going to increase?
If you are 25 years old and make $60K and will likely make more as
your career progresses you probably could. If you are 40 years old
making $40K and that's the most you will ever make then it's not.
You also have to look at your health insurance. Most companies pay
most of the insurance for a single guy, but add a family and many
companies don't pay for it. You could be coughing up $1500 or
more a month.
It's unlikely that your wife will make any money for a long period of
time. Don't consider any of her earnings into your calculations. FSUW
often consider the money they make as their own money to spend
however they wish. They usually don't believe that they will give it
to you to pay for bills.
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When you ask questions you will get advice. Some of it
will be very good and other advice will be more dubious.
Your job is to sift through the advice and take the good
stuff and ignore the rest.
I would advise being very skeptical of anyone giving advice
on this subject who has never been married and skeptical of
anyone who hasn't married someone from the FSU.
Lastly, don't take any offense or get defensive regarding
anything you see posted here. You are relatively anonymous
and 100% of the advice is free. Only you know your goals,
situation and you are the one that will have to make this
work (or fail) so nobody is as committed to your success
as you are.
Udachi!
Bill
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looking for an FSU wife?
why would you contemplate doing something you seem to know so little about?
would you go scuba diving or sky diving without knowing WTF you're doing?
cuz if you do you gonna die sucker
guess what?
same thing with wimmin
so you better learn WTF you're doing first
before embarking on a plan to hook up with some Russian Deavochka
Que Sabe?
oh, and 60k, I assume USD is minimal for you and a middle-aged woman, to buy groceries with but NOT enuff to have kids on....
and I know EXACTLY how much raising kids costs!!
have it all on an Excel Spreadsheet
and you think they're grateful - HA!
Why are you being a bag head , I am on here to ask questions and learn. Not sure if you are trying to help or be a pain.
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When you ask questions you will get advice. Some of it
will be very good and other advice will be more dubious.
Your job is to sift through the advice and take the good
stuff and ignore the rest.
I would advise being very skeptical of anyone giving advice
on this subject who has never been married and skeptical of
anyone who hasn't married someone from the FSU.
Lastly, don't take any offense or get defensive regarding
anything you see posted here. You are relatively anonymous
and 100% of the advice is free. Only you know your goals,
situation and you are the one that will have to make this
work (or fail) so nobody is as committed to your success
as you are.
Udachi!
Bill
Thanks for the info. Having a house would be best to have first. I know it depends on what city that you live in. Some cities 50 grand a year for example is going be very different as far as expensive's. I do not live in Cali or NY. From what i understand so far, besides having to pay the costs of moving the lady to the states, you basically have to make sure you can support a family the same as if you were married to a American women. I doubt that a person needs to make 80,000 plus a year just to marry someone from overseas and have a good life, unless you live in Cali or NY.
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Thanks for the info. Having a house would be best to have first. I know it depends on what city that you live in. Some cities 50 grand a year for example is going be very different as far as expensive's. I do not live in Cali or NY. From what i understand so far, besides having to pay the costs of moving the lady to the states, you basically have to make sure you can support a family the same as if you were married to a American women. I doubt that a person needs to make 80,000 plus a year just to marry someone from overseas and have a good life, unless you live in Cali or NY.
$80K per year isn't much if you have a $3K per month house payment
pay $1,500 for health insurance and if you put $1000 per month in your
401K.
Maybe you have a $2K per month house payment, $900 per month for
health insurance and $1K per month in your 401K.
Additional costs for FSU wife.
Trip to visit Mamma and family in Russia each year or at least every other
year. Visa, Greencard, and immigration costs. A FSU wife is going to want
a baby and those cost money (at least all mine have) and they will be going
to visit Mamma and family too.
Your FSU wife almost certainly contributed to her family coffers when
she lived at home with Mamma and family and you can expect to send
a little bit to them from time to time. Figure at least $600 per year.
An American wife can immediately get a job and probably already had
a car when you met her. This is impossible for a new Russian wife and
she won't make more than childcare costs if she has a baby and she will
have a baby sometime soon. Often times she needs Dental work.
There are many, many things that cost less and are more efficient than
having an American wife, but it's best for planning purposes to calculate
the additional costs and not assume the savings.
Udachi!
Bill
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"Why are you being a bag head , I am on here to ask questions and learn. Not sure if you are trying to help or be a pain. "
I never went to charm school, so I am very sorry for offending you with my "rough ways"
however, I have lived in Ukraine and Russia for several years
and married to a Russian woman for over 20 years and have two adult children with her!
hopefully the information and knowledge I have will compensate for the charm you think I apparently lack...
but you see, I would never advise an obvious "city slicker" like yourself to go have a wild adventure in the FSU jungle unless you know WTF you're dealin with
and YOU clearly DO NOT! not even a little teeny weeny bit.....
give it a year, and if you survive the pandemic and still have some kinda income left
then just look locally for a female room mate on Craigs list or something like that...
this is all ya really gotta do!!
there will be TONS of wimmin trying to hook up with some guy for financial support and protection, due to the "Corona Crash"
plus, you already know how to say, "bitch! make me a sandwich!"
instead of "Suka! Sdelay mne buterbrod!" like I had to learn in Russian!!!
why ya wanna learn a whole damned new language just to freakin get yourself a sandwich, gozpedy!
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Hello
With looking for a FSU women, and finding one that is not looking for a rich daddy, how much yearly salary is a good amount to make? Would anything in the 40-60 grand a year be good for mid sized lower living cost city?
40-60 k could be adequate. Depends on where you live.
I promise you that the first thing she will do after arriving at your house is step onto the front porch and look up and down your street at the other houses to see if yours sizes up to the rest of your neighborhood. She doesn't have to be the queen of the town but she will want to compare favorably in her new situation. Average is Ok.
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Yos3
While I find Krimster2's posts sarcastic and crude he does have some points that you need to consider.
The advice of 2tallbill appear to me to be realistic. Nevertheless, you need to understand that every potential wife is different and it is likely that you are not going to find the undesirable characteristics until you are living together for quite some time. I guess the same could be true of marrying someone local that you have not known for a long period of time. The difference here is that you will have spent a lot of money and time before you ever get to the altar, and the dissolution process may be additionally expensive after you have sponsored her to your country.
I think Steamers comments are appropriate if you are able to find a reasonable, well adjusted, wife that does not have expectations that are beyond your means to provide. I am not sure about the odds, but my experience is that you are not going to know until after you are married. All of the promises, rhetoric and expectations between the two of you prior to getting married (and arrival) has little weight or enforcement once a disagreement happens!
I know members that have married and divorced on this forum. In some cases it was just an incompatibility issue. The problem is that you will not know these issues until after you are married and settled down to family life. If I had an adult son, my advice to him would be to not marry anyone until you have lived together for at least 2-3 years. I know it does not conform to many religious norms, but the dissolution process is so biased against men you need to consider the consequences when things do not work out the way you hoped.
Having being married to a Ukrainian women for over 6 years there are a few things that I would consider surprises that I can share to help you avoid some pitfalls...
1. There is an expression that is so true that it needs to be repeated...." You can take the girl out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the girl ". This silly expression may seem irrelevant but I find it very important to understand it as well as it's consequences. If you think that a gal is going to move to a different country and language and be isolated from her family and friends you have another think coming. Not likely to happen. Daily phone calls to mother, adult son, and brother seem to be scheduled for around midnight (here) due to the time differences. There are also trips back to Ukraine to either vacation or emergencies in the family. Plan on it!
2. The language barrier and the lack of detailed understanding of conversations is almost guaranteed. Even with all the translation apps on the computer, I found them good enough for basics but nowhere nearly good enough to communicate detailed planning and emotional topics. This is one thing I would do different if I were to do this again...... I would not date or become interested in someone that does not have a fluent command of the English language. Another surprise..... My wife formed her friends by seeking out Russian speaking women and did not concentrate on becoming immersed in English by having daily conversations with English speaking folks. This was big detriment. I spent about $10K sending her to Cal State S.B. University over several semesters in their English Language Program (non-credit) and still she refused to find an opportunity to join any group that would immerse her in English. Only now, after 6 years is she able to carry on a conversation in English. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!
3. Children.... Although I was forewarned that UA women put their children before their husbands, I did not realize to what extent that happens. It does not mean that she does not cook for you, it's just that every need of the child is taken care of before your needs are considered. Not necessarily a bad thing I guess but takes some getting used to. Another consideration of marrying a women with minor children, is the financial responsibility you are taking on. You are sponsoring both the wife and child(ren) and under most US laws the child might just as well be yours as far as financial responsibility.
4. Medical Insurance... Bill brought up this point in his post and it is not a trivial topic. My employer has a medical plan that is fully paid for by the employees. Since I am on a Medicare Supplemental plan from my former employer, I have no need for my employers plan for my personal insurance. In order to get coverage for my wife and daughter through my employer it is necessary for me to be included in the plan. There is no option to only cover the dependents. After looking at their plan it would cost me about $950/month for a Shit Plan. Being forced into a California State plan, for about $1100/month they can be covered by a much more comprehensive plan. Still a lot of money! Depending on your employer and what state you live in, be sure to calculate their medical insurance costs. Speaking of insurance, when I added her to my AAA auto insurance my premium increased significantly.
5. As was mentioned upthread, do NOT expect her to have an income to contribute to the family pot. This is a topic I do not fully understand. My wife has double masters degrees and a bachelors degree (Ukraine) and in spite of paying several hundred $$ to have her transcripts translated, she has not been able to land a job. Her lack of English skills may have something to do with it, but it is not the only factor. When prospective employers call her the first question they ask is "Are you a Citizen of the US?" Before she can even answer that she is a Permanent Resident, the phone goes dead. Apparently the clueless dingbats in the HR departments don't realize that someone with a SSN and a work permit can legally work in the US. As you might expect, in the back of my mind there is the question as to whether she really wants to work or is really just taking advantage of my ability to earn a living. We had an agreement before getting married that she would work and contribute financially to the family. This dilemma is still open. While every marriage does not turn out 100% the way you expected, there were a number of things I did right and still recommend them.
6. If you are seeking a foreign wife, you need to go to that country for a decent period of time and learn the culture. That means meeting many people and if possible stay with them long enough to experience their culture in person. Books don't begin to convey the interpersonal nature of cultures. I made several extended trips to Ukraine and met and stayed with new friends in their homes before I ever met my wife. I also experienced the culture of the economy and dealing with businesses in the local towns. I expect my total costs for wife hunting in Ukraine (including all the trips) was somewhere around $50K.
7. Expect to be taken advantage of financially (even by your friends) if you allow it to happen. Do not expect your generosity to be appreciated as it would be by your American friends. It seems to me that in the back of their minds is the fact you are wealthy (compared to them) and there is no moral issue with taking your money if you offer it. Just don't expect it to be reciprocal. For example, I gave $3500 to a friend in Ukraine to purchase a dacha that was supposedly for sale beside his property. When he picked me up on my next trip I was surprised that his old Lada car had been replaced by a modern Japanese car. When I got around to asking him about the sale of the dacha and registering it in my name, he sheepishly admitted that he took the money and bought the car. Said the owner of the dacha changed their minds about selling it. Lesson learned!!! Fortunately, I got married shortly later and when my wife found out about it, the shit hit the fan. She recovered all but about $500. It was my own fault for extending trust in what I considered a close friend.
8. I hate to discourage someone from following their dreams, but in this case I am compelled to suggest that you learn everything you can about the culture and what to expect in your adventure. If you have the time and interest you can read the trip reports I made on this forum about the later stages of my adventures in Ukraine.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15123.0
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=18377.0
9. On the bright side, I have a beautiful wife and wonderful step daughter that I love dearly. Lisa, now 12 is going into the 6th grade and has done wonderful in school. She was fluent in English within 6 months and had no special English classes.
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well pardon moi crude sarcasm!!!
from your comments it would indicate you’re a renter and not a property owner or even better, a serial property owner...
so your 5K/month balance sheet just took a $2,000 hit for housing....
add $300 minimum for health and car insurance
another $300 for utilities
maybe $1,000 month for food
so just the basics come to about 80% of your income, taxes probably take the remainder....
it means you make just barely enough to survive on with you and a wife and no kids
but it means no extra car for her, no travel, not a lot of clothes buying, etc, etc...
believe me there will be a LOT of etc!!!!
oh, and please don’t forget what a diamond engagement ring is gonna cost ya.....
vrs
trolling for a female cosplay room mate on Craig’s List.com
and letting her stay rent free with you
show me why my idea isn’t better than you trying to go to Russia?
with my idea you don't have to travel, the wimmin come to you!
if you break up, they just leave your house and that's it!!
and you speak the same freakin language
a year from, now, there will be millions and millions of desperate American wimmin lookin for a place to live but have no job or income, feel scared, etc...
this is TOTALLY your trolling pond!!!
you would be freakin amazed at the quality of the young single wimmin I meet here in Texas
I mean OMG, it's as good as Russia or Ukraine!!!
and the vast majority of local guys are total doofs when it comes to wimmin
so being a smarter outsider you have an advantage here just like in Russia
and REALLY stunning girls are not hard AT ALL to pick up here....
you could EASILY, EASILY snag one as a room mate with benefits
WTF would you want to go to Ukraine or Russia for McDonald's when you can get it here...
if you were in the right area, a year from now you should be able to get all the pooty-tang you want, if you knew how to "play it smart"
and they WILL COME TO YOU!!
and in closing, excuse my rough manners, begging your pardon, my deepest apologies
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Disposable income is more important than gross income.
Demographics also matter, how old are you and what age range would you seek a partner?
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Hi Yos, lots of good points made above. Krim makes a good point that about learning the language. The problem is at the moment it's still unsure when or if there will be long term travel available. Russia still isn't allowing tourists in, Ukraine is but for how long? Usually it's going to take more than one trip to both succeed in this venture and to spend time getting to know the girl, her to move to your country, etc. Add to that if it becomes a prospect where she might have difficulty returning, who knows? I've started learning the Russian language, some may say income is more important than learning the language but I think it depends on the person and situation. The thing is do you want to spend time learning a language that because of the virus you might never have need off?
Now I live in the UK and most posters make fun of my low income on this search, around £14k per annum. Now that might seem ridiculously small but I can double that by working 4 instead of my current 2 days per week. I also own my own house outright and live in a country where healthcare is paid by the state, so is education, some dentistry, etc I also pay very little tax on what I earn. In addition I can get cheap flights to Kiev for around £50 or so return on budget airlines.
Now if I was a US guy knowing what I know about the FSU scene I would seriously contemplate going to South America to find a girl, when it's safer of course. The slight skin tan doesn't bother me, it would be nearer and being a Hispanic girl she would look up to you and hence likely to be willing to please. That is important as the thing you have to think off is that if you don't compare all that great to other guys around you many a FSW will look to trade up at the first opportunity after gaining greed card. A Hispanic lass however is likely to be less preyed upon by other men unless she really is a top of the top scorer on the looks front.
My view is that it would be better to let the forum know more about where you stand. I have and to be fair they have really helped me see the light on many matters, barring the odd few comments of some of course, but sometimes you need to take a few knocks to learn what you need to know.
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a year from, now, there will be millions and millions of desperate American wimmin lookin for a place to live but have no job or income, feel scared, etc...
this is TOTALLY your trolling pond!!!
I remember back in the recession years in the 90s in the UK a lot of women broke up with their other halves when they no longer brought home the bacon as it were. Some even with children so there were a lot of women who were getting with the guys that still had jobs and were earning. So with the outlook looking likely even worse than those days what you say could have some go in it Krimster. I'm not sure if I will be able to even properly resume dating in the FSU in which case I will have to see what can be done locally. If this situation does indeed turn it into a better dating situation that could work for me. Theoretically what you say could occur as if an 'economic differential' opens up here then it could become like the similar situation of us to the FSU. Women have in recent decades been more numerous in the workplace than recent decades but I reckon more men as a whole will still likely stay in work.
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Thanks for the info. Having a house would be best to have first. I know it depends on what city that you live in. Some cities 50 grand a year for example is going be very different as far as expensive's. I do not live in Cali or NY. From what i understand so far, besides having to pay the costs of moving the lady to the states, you basically have to make sure you can support a family the same as if you were married to a American women. I doubt that a person needs to make 80,000 plus a year just to marry someone from overseas and have a good life, unless you live in Cali or NY.
You're 'doubting' someone who has been married to a Russian woman for years and understands every facet of what life is like married and living life with one? A state of living you can only speculate on today?
In general, location does have an impact unto everyone's standard of living. Sure it's expensive living in NY and /or California, but the pay is much higher, too. That's just simple economics. If I can happily live in bum-phuck, Iowa getting the same rate of pay and all the living indulgences I get living in SoCal, believe me millions of us will be heading there today. All things in life are relative. The recent study of best/worst state to live in based on state and local taxes for middle or lower income level actually have NY and California belonging in the top 5 best states to live in.
http://itep.org/whopays/
$60K pre-tax, despite the tax reform, regardless where you are is insane. Most everyone is telling you exactly that. It's one thing to have this income, regardless where you live and marrying a local gal who can join and compliment her income with yours - it is quite another having to embark pursuing dem Russian wimmen, importing her and supporting her beyond the normal demands of life in the US with just your income.
Think long and hard about this. The temptation to fill the void in your life with the image of marrying a young and beautiful gal - which you likely believe you cannot compete for locally - have rendered a lot of men in misery over the years. Always be careful what you wish for. You may actually get it. There's a very minute minority who persevered and stayed married to a FSUW. Take this fact as a 'warning bell'.
*Home* is where the heart is.
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Everyone should read Doug's number 11 post above.
It is a classic packed full of useful info for beginners and even for those in early years of marriage.
And Doug actually knows how to spell and use good grammar . . . which is probably correlated with his age !! :-)
Thanks Doug.
I will add that my experience with a Ukrainian wife is somewhat different than Doug's.
A lot of this difference probably stems from fact my gal attended Intensive English classes full time for one year, placing first in her classes both semesters. And, VERY IMPORTANTLY, she did NOT seek out Russian or Ukrainian speaking persons to talk with. Yes, she met a few, but we only got together with them 2-3 times per year.
Also, she did not bring a child with her, so by default . . . I became her number one person . . . at least on a day to day basis here in USA.
And, she wanted to work as soon as possible, even as I would have preferred she not work.
Not saying that I have taken the Ukrainian gal out of her . . . but she has adapted almost completely to USA . . . while still having the desire (and even the need) to take on the burden of completely doing all housework, cooking, etc. And also does nearly 100% of a garden and a considerable share of general yard work.
I have been lucky in life in having a hard working German ancestry gal as first wife, and a hard working Ukrainian gal as second wife.
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This same topic has come up many times before. I can remember Ken C stating that $100,000 per year is the minimum salary. Some people argued that 50 to 60 K would be enough. Everyone had their own opinion.
Somebody made a list of typical expenses and cost for the visa process.
Cost of living has gone up, so Ken's minimum would be much higher now.
Of course, you can go to live in Ukraine for much less. If you can do your work remotely that could be your solution.
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Words, words, words, more words. . . . . . .
I have never been married and have zero knowledge of what it
costs to married or even to have a girl friend. I certainly don't
know anything about being married to a FSU but nonRussian
wife. I say non Russian because I can't afford the visa price to
go to Russia.
I helped Trench rewrite his post to remove the garbage and filler.
£14k per annum because I am too lazy to work for more.
I helped Trench rewrite his post to remove the garbage and filler.
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This same topic has come up many times before. I can remember Ken C stating that $100,000 per year is the minimum salary. Some people argued that 50 to 60 K would be enough. Everyone had their own opinion.
Somebody made a list of typical expenses and cost for the visa process.
Cost of living has gone up, so Ken's minimum would be much higher now.
Of course, you can go to live in Ukraine for much less. If you can do your work remotely that could be your solution.
I think there's a lot of wealthy guys on this forum, some even with more wealth that most would dream off. Then there are others that are comfortably off enough and bring in a decent enough income but are not as wealthy. From what I see both can be successful in this venture but that it tends to be easier for the very wealthy guys to walk it. I think in part this is down to them coming across better to the women, asides from the wealth. They know they can walk away at any point and it's the woman's loss. That there are tons off other women that will go begging to them treating then right who they can decide upon. A FSW is also going to think very hard before potentially giving up a good meal ticket.
I also think there is a tendancy to get carried away with how much one needs to earn. One guy will say 'this amount', another will say, 'no more than that' while another still will say, 'no you will need xxX amount to do it properly'. It's almost like asking 'how big was the Marrow you grew this year' to guys, each guy say his Marrow was bigger than the previous guys, lol. Same stuff happens when you ask, 'how much will I need per month to live out in Ukraine?'.
I think some of people's figures depends on how they live their lifestyle. I've already gone into some differences depending on the level of state assistance a country may differ on. Beyond that of course there is stuff like, 'Do you call in the handyman when you have a home maintenance problem or do you DIY it yourself? Other stuff like do you own a cheap run around car or an expensive to run prestige car, do you shop in everyday or budget clothing outlets or supermarkets or do you go high end brand, etc. Some people get in someone to do every little thing for them and expect their bums to be wiped, some will only ever click on the high end brand for virtually every purpose and seem oblivious to being able to economise. Some will also insure themselves against virtually every life's potential mishaps while others will do without.
I'm not an American so I wouldn't know conclusively if Vos can do it on $40k per annum. I suspect that he probably can but issues may crop up as the cost of going to & from the FSU if the girls wishes to go a fair bit. That's why I reckon South America may be a better option for him unless he has real hang ups about it. Even that though all depends on the virus situation.
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I helped Trench rewrite his post to remove the garbage and filler.
I helped Trench rewrite his post to remove the garbage and filler.
Oooo... That's harsh Bill :o
You know I went to Moscow once so I have paid the Visa price once. Price would put me off doing it again though ;D
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Hello
With looking for a FSU women, and finding one that is not looking for a rich daddy, how much yearly salary is a good amount to make? Would anything in the 40-60 grand a year be good for mid sized lower living cost city?
Hi Yos3,
Everyone has an opinion on what is a comfortable salary. A good amount is "as much as you can get". You need to do your own budget and see if you can afford to support another person, adding on additional expenses (travel to visit family, etc.). Assume she will have no income.
If you can afford to support a spouse, then you need to make sure you have saved up enough money to handle the process of finding her. Expect to pay for multiple visits and possibly a visa. Assuming she will be moving to the US, you need to have at least $2,500 to handle the visa and green card process.
Most importantly, you need to be ready to adopt a new culture and to patiently bring someone into your culture. Moving to a new country is a difficult experience. It will take time and it won't be easy for her.
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Oooo... That's harsh Bill :o
You know I went to Moscow once so I have paid the Visa price once. Price would put me off doing it again though ;D
No, 2T is bang on the money.
You know sod all about what it costs to import and live with FSU women. Your entire premise of ‘getting’ with one is to subject her to a bargain basement life where she earns her keep on top of slaving for you and washing your crack stained Y fronts while you get her up the duff as quick as you can in the hope she won’t dump you as soon as she sees the shithole 2up2down terrace you call home.
£14k. :cluebat:
You’re nothing but a leech. Paying no tax and expecting to get free healthcare and education.
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Hello
With looking for a FSU women, and finding one that is not looking for a rich daddy, how much yearly salary is a good amount to make? Would anything in the 40-60 grand a year be good for mid sized lower living cost city?
I think it can be done as long as the lady knows the circumstances and has realistic expectations. Some ladies don't require much money because their tastes and/or hobbies are simple and inexpensive. Ladies to avoid in your case are ones that want to do expensive things that will run you into debt and create stress.
Good luck
Fathertime!
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Thanks for the info. Having a house would be best to have first. I know it depends on what city that you live in. Some cities 50 grand a year for example is going be very different as far as expensive's. I do not live in Cali or NY. From what i understand so far, besides having to pay the costs of moving the lady to the states, you basically have to make sure you can support a family the same as if you were married to a American women. I doubt that a person needs to make 80,000 plus a year just to marry someone from overseas and have a good life, unless you live in Cali or NY.
Wrong.
Read what DOug wrote many valid points here.
I was close to make a six figure when I married. But with a lot of tax because France is an heavy tax country
But when my divorce happened, money was one of the reason I divorced, not the main reason, but an indirect reason.
And that was not because I had too much money but because our purchase power was decreasing due to the french economical crisis and my wife was'nt eager to work.
The only way to increase the purchase power of our household was her to work. She did it, but 5 weeks later they fired her because they were not happy with her work.
She finally constantly avoided to work and finally started to cheat on me...
I simply recommand to make at least more money than you do. You cannot rely to the fact that she will work, and surely not the first two or three years, but on an other hand the problem it that culturally if you provide very well they see not reason to go to work, except if they have some real wishes to challenge themselves.
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I cannot agree with some of the 'advice' give on here
I have 'imported' more than one FSU W ..
When you are asking someone to leave their life behind and start afresh - bearing in mind their qualifications will mean v.little in the west, you are saying," I'll help you through the hard times when you may feel worthless"
My first wife spoke such poor English that she was refused a job in retail over Christmas and was already studying English, MS Office usage and much more and worked for nought in charity shops to make contact and improve herself.
Our marriage didn't last due to an extraordinary turn of events, but we are now friends and she'll tell ANYONE that the man must support his wife for c. five years, before she can begin to contribute, financially
A lot depends on the age of your wife, her English abilities and if she wants to do 'further education' in subjects she's passed in her own nation
My current wife in in her fifties and expecting her to study, get a local degree .. is a little optimistic. I'll be glad of her making clothes, selling them and that can be her pocket money ..
She buys and sells property and does ok .. So may be she can try it in the west? ...
It's a commitment and investment and if you have kids together then you'll be investing further..
If this scares off some folk.. it should Trench !... Then marrying a FSU W ( marrying at all ?) may not be for you ..
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Wrong.
Read what DOug wrote many valid points here.
I was close to make a six figure when I married. But with a lot of tax because France is an heavy tax country
But when my divorce happened, money was one of the reason I divorced, not the main reason, but an indirect reason.
And that was not because I had too much money but because our purchase power was decreasing due to the french economical crisis and my wife was'nt eager to work.
The only way to increase the purchase power of our household was her to work. She did it, but 5 weeks later they fired her because they were not happy with her work.
She finally constantly avoided to work and finally started to cheat on me...
I simply recommand to make at least more money than you do. You cannot rely to the fact that she will work, and surely not the first two or three years, but on an other hand the problem it that culturally if you provide very well they see not reason to go to work, except if they have some real wishes to challenge themselves.
Yos, Pat makes some good points here.
I would say that it depends a lot on the woman, the all have a different idea over there how they see themselves in a relationship. Some will vermently want to work others will be vermently opposed to working. Some may be persuaded through use of logic to do either. I have met FSU both in person and online who are like that. So I would say be prepared for any possibility as you can't second guess what a women you wish to be with may stand in it all.
That said they all hold possibilities and pitfalls as Pat's experience shows us. Imagine another scenario though where the woman vermently wants to work or study. She does so which brings herself into contact with other guys and decides that one of those guys is so much better than you or gets on better with him and decides to go off with him. Another scenario could be she ends up with a gaggle of girly mates around her who 'westernise her', diss you and persuade her to divorce you because they see you as falling far short as a man. Another scenario to that could be that you need the money so she works and I've time gets so enamoured with her work that she becomes a 'career girl' and no longer wants kids or necessarily you and again may divorce you.
All of the above have occurred to guys that have imported their wife. Some guys get a girl that will stick by them no matter what, some guys think they have one like that then find out otherwise.
Now the above is just the 'at work/study' scenarios. There are also the 'at home' scenarios. So ok the girl stays at home and you the guy have to go out to bring the money in. A girl that is left to her own devices for any length of time may end up carrying on with a guy while you are at work. If there are kids that may help occupy her but even then you'd be surprised how many women will not care less and get it on with the local, milkman, handyman, park jogger, guy in supermarket, etc, etc. That's one good reason to do your own DIY ;)
Some women as Pat demonstrates will just go bad on you when their needs are not being met that may be net by another. They probably see you as not keeping up your end of the bargain and so they can renage on theirs.
I personally would err on the side of caution with women, try and be with her as much as possible and keep her mind occupied by whatever means seem appropriate. If possible try and get working from home type of work or something where she can be a part off your work/business. Having separate lives within a relationship while it may work for some is just an opportunity for disaster also in my book. On balance I would personally say now that I would prefer a girl not to want to work and prepare myself for that eventuality. The hotter and younger a girl is the more likely there will be that many guys will want to bang her so it's better to not leave her around situations where that is likely to inevitably occur in my opinion.
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Yos, Pat makes some good points here.
NO, he didn't ..
Pat says his wife cheated on him ..normally, that doesn't happen unless he chose badly, or he was not what he sold himself as to her .. it mostly takes two to screw up a marriage if it was on a firm footing and I include myself in that ..
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I don't think it is correct to criticize Pat because his marriage failed. You are blaming him for not choosing the right woman. Who the hell can guarantee how a person behaves (or changes) after you are married? That is why I suggest living together for an extended period before even thinking of getting married.
All either party can do is to make the best assessment you can of the other person and see how it works out.
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I don't think it is correct to criticize Pat because his marriage failed.
Hmm, I did ? Well, I suppose I suggested it ( normally) takes two ...or he chose unwisely .. I don't agree with his advice re finances and it's SCARY when Trench seizes upon 'advice' as 'gospel' ;)
You are blaming him for not choosing the right woman.
I also said he may have sold himself in a way that he didn't fulfill ...strange you didn't pick up on that ....
I said it ( normally ) takes two to screw up a marriage that was on a firm footing .
Whilst I agree about living together beforehand (which I did each time) ... it is a 'Russian' saying that it takes a couple to have eaten fifty tons of salt together, to really know each other.
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I also said he may have sold himself in a way that he didn't fulfill ...strange you didn't pick up on that ....
Looks like another Moby Blah, blah thread. . . . . . .
You and to a lesser degree Trench pollute every single thread
on this forum.
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goat attacks on Moby!!!
good heavens!!
YOU BAD GOATS!!! LEAVE MOBY ALONE!!!!! go eat some goat garbage down by the garbage dump, you scavengers!!
I don't like goats!
when I was in Crimea, if I saw an actual goat walk towards me, I'd throw stones at it to scare it off
cuz otherwise, what they do is to slowly walk towards you and then right at the last second lower their horns and charge at you...
so I just nail them with a nice flat skipping stone in the chest or neck usually and they'd take off howlin'
I ain't takin no crap off of no goat
or these MFers either...
hmmmmm hmmmmmmmm...
PS
meanwhile, as America continues it’s deep slide into the abyss
all you incel desperados are completely missing the seismic social shift that’s underway...
you want ALL the pooty-tang?
a year from now, a third of all young women in the USA will be “housing insecure”
and likely have no job, no income and can’t afford their housing...
while an increasing crime rate gives them a growing fear for their personal safety
you can look like a lifeboat to these delicate young flowers of womanhood
and help them shelter during “a rough storm”
so if you are confined due to the virus with a female roommate
100% it’s gonna be “with benefits”
of course....
so, dewds with their own pads should be able to EASILY recruit a female submissive roommate
in one of the many social media or online gaming platforms.....
my guess is, would take ya a couple of weeks trolling tops before you got some heavily tattooed 26 year old art major who was playing Far Cry and then went to Tinder and then SnapChat....
seriously, so long as you’re just lookin for sex, why on earth go to Russia or Ukraine
you can get sex here now EASILY!!!!
BUT...
you have to be an "Alpha Male" or at least a "Beta"
which LOL eliminates pretty much everyone here....
the Omega males blues
one day life will be over
and you never even lived
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Looks like another Moby Blah, blah thread. . . . . . .
Looks like Beel is 'auto-suggesting / hinting. My point is bang on topic .
Pat behaves in the way that if it was FSU W.... would have guys on here telling him she's not marriage material, run ...
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Probably the most important aspects I can think of:
1. It's a gamble that may or may not pan out. Save and stick your limit. Maybe something like 25K, more is better.
2. Don't go into debt with this venture thinking you'll be able to pay it off when she goes to work. Won't happen.
3. Time is expensive as well and this venture eats up a lot of it even if you do hit a home run right away. Generally the more face to face time you invest, the better. If you are self-employed be ready to earn less. Don't fool yourself that you'll be able to 'work on the road' If you are employed, on standard vacation terms, be ready to get fired as your head will be 'elsewhere' for some time to come.
Lastly, this 'thing' is not for everyone. Keep dating at home as well. If you are not dating now, learn to do so and practice at home as you'll need those skills there as well.
Good luck!
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Looks like Beel is 'auto-suggesting / hinting. My point is bang on topic .
Pat behaves in the way that if it was FSU W.... would have guys on here telling him she's not marriage material, run ...
You're on topic talking about Pat's divorce when the topic is about
how much income you need?
No you were totally off topic and trolling. If somebody brought up
your previous marriages they would have been trolling.
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You're on topic talking about Pat's divorce when the topic is about
how much income you need?
I'm on topic when Pat raised it ..
No you were totally off topic and trolling. If somebody brought up
your previous marriages they would have been trolling.
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Pat raised it ..
Try READing ?
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I don't think it is correct to criticize Pat because his marriage failed. You are blaming him for not choosing the right woman. Who the hell can guarantee how a person behaves (or changes) after you are married? That is why I suggest living together for an extended period before even thinking of getting married.
All either party can do is to make the best assessment you can of the other person and see how it works out.
Don't worry about him, just ignore him.
He is just seeking attention
and cannot make ONE sentence without depreciating people.You know the song : dogs are barking and barking...
Yes the best is to spend a lot of time, but to which limit?
Wish you the best.
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He is just seeking attention
I rather think that is you with your attempt to be Rhoosh II
On this thread you posted VERY dubious 'advice' and wiser posters, seeking long term relationships, will ignore it ..
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I rather think that is you with your attempt to be Rhoosh II
On this thread you posted VERY dubious 'advice' and wiser posters, seeking long term relationships, will ignore it ..
Pat's relationship was long term, it went for some time. I'm not fully up on how long but it was years from what I am aware from what he has put in here.
It may not have eventually worked out for him but he has the balls to come on here and let us know what went wrong in order to help out others. I don't think that is something to knock him for. I think Pat's story is just one way a FSU relationship can go wrong. There are other ways a FSU relationship can go wrong but one way of how it can go wrong can help Yos and others see what sort of character can be present in FSU dating. Yos is new to this and no doubt somewhat unaware of how it can be if not handled right. Pat's got a lot of experience behind him so that can be invaluable to guys on here. It can save other guys years of trouble and heartache by learning in advance paths to avoid.
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Newbies BC made some excellent points print out his post and get your
highlighter pens out.
3. Time is expensive as well and this venture eats up a lot of it even if you do hit a home run right away. Generally the more face to face time you invest, the better. If you are self-employed be ready to earn less. Don't fool yourself that you'll be able to 'work on the road' If you are employed, on standard vacation terms, be ready to get fired as your head will be 'elsewhere' for some time to come.
4. Lastly, this 'thing' is not for everyone. Keep dating at home as well. If you are not dating now, learn to do so and practice at home as you'll need those skills there as well.
Good luck!
I added a #4 to BC post. It's his point but he didn't give it a number.
Let me add a #5 Patience you must have a truckload of patience or
you will lose your mind. Imagine meeting the woman of your dreams
and then leaving her in Russia while you go back to the grindstone.
Imagine when she is nothing but tears for three days because she
misses her family. You need to have a bucket of patience in reserve.
This pursuit requires a lot of resources in money, time, patience and
emotional resources. If you have two weeks of vacation per year can
you get more? Can you work weekends and get more time? If not,
get a different job or seek women locally.
Most guys fail at this the first time and quit. It's not easy to start all
over again. I was too stupid/stubborn to quit.
Countless men have asked, "How could they get a Russian wife too?"
Honestly, most of them can't do it or won't do it.
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Countless men have asked, "How could they get a Russian wife too?"
Honestly, most of them can't do it or won't do it.
A handy man type that has done several jobs for me over nearly 30 years was recently out to do a small job. He is around 60 now I think. A real red neck, although a very decent guy it seems.
He had seen my spouse a few times before.
This time he asked me how he could obtain such a wife.
I didn't know how to tell him that most FSU gals would not settle for him, and that even if they would, he could not afford it.
So I just laughed and said: You don't want to do it, and walked gently away.
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Pat's relationship was long term, it went for some time. I'm not fully up on how long but it was years from what I am aware from what he has put in here.
It may not have eventually worked out for him but he has the balls to come on here and let us know what went wrong in order to help out others. I don't think that is something to knock him for. I think Pat's story is just one way a FSU relationship can go wrong. There are other ways a FSU relationship can go wrong but one way of how it can go wrong can help Yos and others see what sort of character can be present in FSU dating. Yos is new to this and no doubt somewhat unaware of how it can be if not handled right. Pat's got a lot of experience behind him so that can be invaluable to guys on here. It can save other guys years of trouble and heartache by learning in advance paths to avoid.
Thank you TC.I have nothing to be ashamed about this divorce and managed things accordingly. That's why the father of her daughther, her mother, her daughter all this people are very happy to see me. And guess what two weeks ago I found out my ex wife besides where I usually eat and no reasons to her to come here IMHO.
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Thank you TC.I have nothing to be ashamed about this divorce and managed things accordingly. That's why the father of her daughther, her mother, her daughter all this people are very happy to see me. And guess what two weeks ago I found out my ex wife besides where I usually eat and no reasons to her to come here IMHO.
That's ok Pat, I'm glad you're doing ok with it all.
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A handy man type that has done several jobs for me over nearly 30 years was recently out to do a small job. He is around 60 now I think. A real red neck, although a very decent guy it seems.
He had seen my spouse a few times before.
This time he asked me how he could obtain such a wife.
I didn't know how to tell him that most FSU gals would not settle for him, and that even if they would, he could not afford it.
So I just laughed and said: You don't want to do it, and walked gently away.
Yeah I kind off always got the impression that FSW enter International Dating with a certain vision of a western guy and some rough idea as to the sort of lifestyle they see with that.
That said there are different ways around this game. I was watching on You Tube a while back a guy who was probably around 60 ish who had moved from the US to Russia to do Foreign Language teaching, he had found a plumpish woman just a few years younger than him and shacked up with her in a flat, he seemed very content with his lot. If you consider the pensions aren't great out there if the Redneck guy you mentioned went for a single woman not far off his age and likely not be he prettiest girl around then it might work. A below average looks girl in the FSU of any age I get the impression is often a solid choice. So long as looking at her will make a guy hard and they get on well then that's all that may matter.
Problem may be is that it might be surmised that the Redneck guy would be looking for a hot FSW. My thoughts are in general such women want a guy in a good status job and with a comfortable income/lifestyle.
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Yos is new to this and no doubt somewhat unaware of how it can be if not handled right. Pat's got a lot of experience behind him so that can be invaluable to guys on here. It can save other guys years of trouble and heartache by learning in advance paths to avoid.
Trench, Pat's 'experience', now, is a daily diary of the sort of behaviour that gives western blokes a lousy reputation ..he's just portraying himself as a sex tourist.
That you would 'respect' such behaviour speaks volumes... You'd look up to that ..
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Trench, Pat's 'experience', now, is a daily diary of the sort of behaviour that gives western blokes a lousy reputation ..he's just portraying himself as a sex tourist.
That you would 'respect' such behaviour speaks volumes... You'd look up to that ..
Mobe, I don't think Pat is just out for sex but it may be something that happens along the way. He needs to find the right woman for him and that can take meeting a few.
Anyway but to OP and the point of this thread. I think what Yos now needs to do is work out a game plan of where he thinks he needs to be and how he is going to get there in terms of being able to provide what a lot of FSW want.
I think he's salary at $40k is not a bad one and something he can use to create a good life for himself. If he can keep earning during the likely down turn then many women local or abroad could see him as a good catch.
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...And that was not because I had too much money but because our purchase power was decreasing due to the french economical crisis and my wife was'nt eager to work. The only way to increase the purchase power of our household was her to work.....
This is a very good point, Pat. Many times when this subject pops up there always is varying perspectives on this because it is so very subjective. Factors are strictly dependent on every individual's living standards and personal definition of 'adequate', 'comfort' and 'luxury'.
It is not about how much you make, but how much you have to spend out of what you make.
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Interestingly this brings up another point I forgot to mention is that if the wife is at home all day then that could get expensive depending on the girl. If she has a cheap lifestyle of sitting watching rubbish on TV all day, looking after the kids, going to the park, looking around shops but not buying much, gardening, etc then it's not too bad. However, if she doesn't work and expects to be doing a lot of enjoyable stuff that costs in all of her free time week then it could be a heavy drain on finances.
That's where I think some sort of small scale family business is ideal. Even if it's a small stock room in the house selling whatever on eBay or similar. Would keep the girl occupied make her feel like she is adding to the family concern and avoid her spending money at great pace. Even if it didn't make much in the way of profit it could still keep her occupied and keep costs down. Odds are so long as it wasn't a heavy chore most FSW probably wouldn't mind an easy going task such as that, that she doesn't have to be at work for.
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I'm on topic when Pat raised it ..
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Pat raised it ..
Try READing ?
I will respond to you here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24457.new#new
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I forgot to mention is that if I was ever married or had a single live in
girlfriend in my entire life that I might have a clue how some of this
worked, but I didn't so I don't.
I will respond to you here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24457
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This is a very good point, Pat. Many times when this subject pops up there always is varying perspectives on this because it is so very subjective. Factors are strictly dependent on every individual's living standards and personal definition of 'adequate', 'comfort' and 'luxury'.
It is not about how much you make, but how much you have to spend out of what you make.
Yep GQ,You need to know what is the thresold you don't want to cross.
You could of course have a bump, for example like with the virus now.
But keep it too low for years...
So money has become a real risk factor in divorce.
If you marrry make sure that you have enough.
Problems occurs because a lot of guys don't understand that they don't get the standard Rebecca. Far from this, as members here explained it.
So this sport, chasing in FSU and marrying in the west, is IMHO definitively fitted for the upper well off guys.
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So this sport, chasing in FSU and marrying in the west, is IMHO definitively fitted for the upper well off guys.
I think with regards to a lot of the most prettiest women in the FSU it probably is.
However, I think there are a fair amount of everyday looking women in the FSU that are on International Dating sites that would go with a poorer guy they felt chemistry for. It's just that a lot of the poorer guys still look to a hot pretty looking youngish FSW (who wouldn't lol) They see them on dating sites and think they are up for whatever. That's where a lot of guys can come unstuck (including myself). The hot FSW often expect something there end of the deal other than just a comforting relationship. Question is are the poorer guys willing to settle for an everyday looking FSW?
I think there are of course matters that can come into play as to why an everyday looking guy who is poorer than the rich guys could get a hot FSW but that's down to intricacies in life. If he can deal with a particular hot FSW that most rich guys might fail to understand her then he might end up on ok ground.
Let's not forget the common phrase we here from many hot pretty women in the west is, "I know what I'm worth". My guess is that while hot pretty women may be more numerous in the FSU they also consider themselves as 'knowing what they are worth'. I don't blame them after all who wouldn't go for an attractive enough looking guy, one who could offer them a very comfortable lifestyle in their position. They know many guys are after them because they are hot and many of those guys wouldn't be that interested in them if they weren't. Like it or not most people make or female are to some extent superficial at the end of the day, its built into most of us I think.
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So this sport, chasing in FSU and marrying in the west, is IMHO definitively fitted for the upper well off guys.
Hmm, 'sport' ? .. I actually think the chase is more thrilling for some than the marathon of marriage ... :popcorn:
Personally, I know of several couples who are in the not so wealthy bracket who seem to be thriving, whilst working hard to their retirement, together
I'd say having a salaried job .. esp. in ( say the USA , with limited time off) makes this ( better the word ?) endeavour, possible.
Being your own boss allows the time to court abroad and take time off to sort out visas, etc.,
For sure, when your FSU W partner comes to your place of residency, time and money should be set aside to ensure she doesn't feel too unsettled, missing friends family. She'll need your support.
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Hmm, 'sport' ? .. I actually think the chase is more thrilling for some than
You were a VO and sorting through likely candidates was much
different doing so online than the VM's who did the sorting on
the ground and in person.
Finding then pursuing a woman and winning her heart IS thrilling.
It was for me.
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You were a VO and sorting through likely candidates was much
different doing so online than the VM's who did the sorting on
the ground and in person.
Finding then pursuing a woman and winning her heart IS thrilling.
It was for me.
First of all, I THINK you're being deliberately obtuse..
I tried VM.. it was a pain in the arse... not pleasurable juggling speed dating, 'lying' ( are you here to see other women?) and turning your phone off when on a date in case another lady calls ..
I meant some guys seem to LIKE ( prefer ) perennially dating ...rather than settling down ..
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First of all, I THINK you're being deliberately obtuse..
I tried VM.. it was a pain in the arse... not pleasurable juggling speed dating, 'lying' ( are you here to see other women?) and turning your phone off when on a date in case another lady calls ..
I meant some guys seem to LIKE ( prefer ) perennially dating ...rather than settling down ..
This has kind of been gone through before, on VM it's not so much of 'date' but a 'meet'. It's true that you can date women on VM and to be honest when I met the two women in Lviv it was probably more of a date than a meet in that I set them up as dinner dates in restaurants when I should have set them up as coffee shop meets during the day (as 2tallbill later explained the difference between and benefit of doing this ;) ).
So I was not quite executing the VM method right. I think this was in large part due to starting off on VO and just being familiar with that. I thought VM was just inviting more women but in reality it's a whole different strategy and method behind it all.
I think it's more likely the question will be raised of meeting other women if it comes more across as a evening dinner date than a coffee shop meet up. To the woman the dinner date situation probably is difficult for her to get her head around as she is probably seeing it as a date and hence probably sees the guy as playing the field.
The VO I can see as suiting guys who are happy spending hours stuck behind the PC doing Skype sessions on a frequent basis to really get to know the girl in-depth. I found just a few to be a pain, fun when doing it but a pain setting it all up and waiting. Now it's probably getting a bit better with being able to do video chatting on the go through a mobile but of course still issues with sound and visual quality most probably.
On balance though I would probably prefer VM as I would prefer to meet a lot of women and see which ones I have natural chemistry with. This is what I was planning then the virus got in the way :-\
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More Trench proving he hasn't got a clue..
Neither VM or VO is going to work for you...
Not until you understand to appreciate women and there needs....period..
You've been on several trips and STILL haven't grasped what's missing in your skill set..
You are STILL worried too nuch about wasting money.
If that is you concern...quit now.
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Hello
With looking for a FSU women, and finding one that is not looking for a rich daddy, how much yearly salary is a good amount to make? Would anything in the 40-60 grand a year be good for mid sized lower living cost city?
If you're 30, 60k income can be enough to make it happen. You're going to both be young and figuring out the future.
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but check what kinda heath care you have first, which in the USA is likely employer based
remember YOU are NOW responsible for another person's well being, which means health insurance
you have to start to learn to think this way