Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[Kokopelli]

If there was anything wrong with his birth certificate the "Hill-Billarys" would have knocked him out a long time ago.
Transcripts are private as are medical records.
Yeah, he could release them if he wanted but doesn't this keep your eye off the real issues by leaving it open?

[Kokopelli]

True, it is a pretty big mistake, but the draft of the book was certainly reviewed and corrected by many editors, copy editors and the like between the final draft and the publishing of the book. Anybody anywhere along the chain could have changed the Frantz to Franz and when rereading a text, quite often you see what you think is there and not what is actually there on the paper 

Possibly but how long has the book been out now?
You may find this interesting:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html
Becareful what you put your name on? 

[Boethius]

Usually one remembers how to spell the name of the person one considers an intellectual influence.
Have you read anything by Fanon?

No, but I've read Dreams From My Father.  I don't recall Obama claiming Fanon was a huge intellectual influence.  As I recall, that was when he was at Occidental, and it was about discovering who he was as an African American (i.e. how society saw him) in 1979-1981.  He also pretty much says that in that period of his life, he was an angry jerk.
 
As for American Thinker, well, Obama was given the opportunity to write a book about anything, because he was the editor/president of the Harvard Law Review.  That was a tradition, i.e., that the president write a book.  Most wrote legal texts, but Obama chose to do something different.  So, I really doubt it was ghost written.  At the time, Obama was a nobody law student.

[Misha]

Possibly but how long has the book been out now?
You may find this interesting:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html
Becareful what you put your name on? 

Interesting!

[Gator]

Can you name two other famous leaders in the world who wrote their autobiography when they were a nobody? 
 
5, 4, 3, 2, 1   Time's Up
 
Hitler and Stalin

I am not say he is similar to these men, yet he may share some things. 

[Boethius]

Dreams From My Father is not really an autobiography.  It is a memoir.  For example, many of the individuals he describes (other than family members and his Columbia roommate) are compilations of individuals.  Obama says so in the foreward to the book.
 
I'd say it is more an "exploration" of who he was, how the lack of his father in his life played a role in that, and how learning about his father's life helped change his perspective.

[calmissile]

Quote from Misha,

Why would he spend millions of dollars to do this? These records are not "sealed" per se, but they cannot be released to the general public. I could not walk into any university and demand that they give me somebody's transcripts and it does not matter if they are the President or a janitor.

You missed the point!  Of course you cannot ask for someone elses medical records, that is not the issue!  We all know that.

The point is that he is asking the trust of American voters and has not been willing to release any of his records that Proves he is qualified under the Constitution to hold the office of presidency.
Would you vote for someone for president that waits years to release his birth certificate?  Give me a break!  Somehow I doubt Canadians would just brush it off as "who cares"?

As to the comment about diversion, I had not thought about that.  Perhaps it is a good strategy.  In spite of it, knowing whether the current document is a fake once and for all, could have the potential of Obama loosing many of his supporters.

[Kokopelli]

Dreams From My Father is not really an autobiography.  It is a memoir.  For example, many of the individuals he describes (other than family members and his Columbia roommate) are compilations of individuals.  Obama says so in the foreward to the book.
 
I'd say it is more an "exploration" of who he was, how the lack of his father in his life played a role in that, and how learning about his father's life helped change his perspective.

Helped change his perspective or did it build one for him?
It should be noted Ayers also misspelled the name.
Try the Dinesh D'Souza book. Here's brief part with correction.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem_print.html

[Kokopelli]

Interesting!

As are these.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obama_ayers_and_the_knowledge.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/obama_the_best_revolutions_are.html

[Boethius]

Helped change his perspective or did it build one for him?
It should be noted Ayers also misspelled the name.
Try the Dinesh D'Souza book. Here's brief part with correction.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem_print.html

It changed his perspective, as a young man, on who he was/is. 
 
More conspiracy theories, LOL.  You know, Ayers has sarcastically claimed he wrote the book and wants the royalties.
 

[Kokopelli]

Sorry, I'm not laughing. 

[Boethius]

It's about as logical as all the other conspiracy theories, that he was born in Kenya, that he's a "secret Muslim" (odd, would it not be, for a man whose parents were both atheists), that he is a citizen of Indonesia, that he never attended Occidental or Columbia, etc., etc., etc.
 
No matter what is debunked, something new will pop up.

[Darth_Budda]

   In contrast, Obamacare was a 100% liberal plan.

You mean 100% for profit big insurance

[Daveman]

It's about as logical as all the other conspiracy theories, that he was born in Kenya, that he's a "secret Muslim" (odd, would it not be, for a man whose parents were both atheists), that he is a citizen of Indonesia, that he never attended Occidental or Columbia, etc., etc., etc.
 
No matter what is debunked, something new will pop up.

As my old (dead)  grandpappy, Graveman, used to say.. you just can't trust those Kenyan born Indonesian atheistic secret militant Muslims, and especially those ones who never attended Occidental or Columbia...


I think he's actually the Enzyte guy, with pigment augmentation! but it has been covered up to pump up the stock value..

[Daveman]

You mean 100% for profit big insurance

However you slice it, when the cost of individual provided medical insurance, without the slightest exaggeration, exceeds the monthly cost of a damn mortgage, something is seriously wrong with the system.  Band-aids are not going to help.. we need a complete and total do over...

[calmissile]

Boethius

I take it you are not buying the analysis that indicates his long form birth cerificate was computer generated, rather than a scanned image of the document?

I am not sure one way or the other yet, but what would your attitude be if it was clearly proven that it was a manufactured document?

Also, what rational explanation could you give for someone running for the president of the US to not want to release something as fundamental as his birth certificate?

[Anotherkiwi]

...You [Misha] missed the point!  Of course you cannot ask for someone elses medical records, that is not the issue!  We all know that.

The point is that he is asking the trust of American voters and has not been willing to release any of his records that Proves he is qualified under the Constitution to hold the office of presidency.
Would you vote for someone for president that waits years to release his birth certificate?  Give me a break!  Somehow I doubt Canadians would just brush it off as "who cares"?...

Just for interest's sake, Doug, have you been so worried that you've chased up the Birth Certificates of any previous Presidents?  You've had a few over the years whose merit I would seriously question - maybe they were also born in Kenya and had fake Birth Certificates as well?
 
GIVE IT A REST!!! 
 
Considering that all the polls I've seen reported indicate that Romney is hated by more than twice as many people as Obama, and that his approval rating is about half of Obama's, you guys are going to keep complaining whatever the result of the election.
 
Just as a side-issue, based on those figures, it seems strange that no US posters (that I can recall, anyway) have admitted to being Obama supporters.  There seem to be a LOT of Republicans, though.  Statistically, this bell curve is very lopsided.

[calmissile]

Just for interest's sake, Doug, have you been so worried that you've chased up the Birth Certificates of any previous Presidents?

No, I have never had a reason to question it.  However I do believe that there was a question about McCain at one point but I do not remember him or any other presidential candidate refusing to release records that relate to his birthplace.

 I would expect ANY presidential candidate to release records such as these.  Why would they not?

[calmissile]

Just as a side-issue, based on those figures, it seems strange that no US posters (that I can recall, anyway) have admitted to being Obama supporters.

I think your observation is correct.  Strange isn't it?  Perhaps the polling data you are seeing is not valid or skewed.  It seems that the majority of Obama supporters on this forum are foreigners.

[Gator]

Considering that all the polls I've seen reported indicate that Romney is hated by more than twice as many people as Obama, and that his approval rating is about half of Obama's, you guys are going to keep complaining whatever the result of the election.

It is close, actually, across the nation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57415623-503544/obama-romney-in-dead-heat-cbs-news-new-york-times-poll-finds/
 
However, national polls mean nothing.  With our electoral college system, the election boils down to a few swing states such as Florida and Ohio.
 

[Gator]

Liberal logic of the day:   
 
"Apparently, I’m supposed to be more outraged by what Mitt Romney does with his money than by what Barack Obama does with mine."

[Boethius]

Boethius

I take it you are not buying the analysis that indicates his long form birth cerificate was computer generated, rather than a scanned image of the document?

I am not sure one way or the other yet, but what would your attitude be if it was clearly proven that it was a manufactured document?

Also, what rational explanation could you give for someone running for the president of the US to not want to release something as fundamental as his birth certificate?

One of my links (the LA Times one) notes that a government official in Hawaii stated he was present when the long form was pulled from government records.  So that would have to be one heck of a conspiracy.  But, so that you don't have to go back, I'll provide another

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/hawaiian-official-confirms-obama-delivered-by-doctor/


There was also an announcement of Obama's birth in both major Honolulu papers in August, 1961.  Given this is very easy to verify, there is little doubt Obama was born in Honolulu.

[Boethius]

Just as a side-issue, based on those figures, it seems strange that no US posters (that I can recall, anyway) have admitted to being Obama supporters.

I think your observation is correct.  Strange isn't it?  Perhaps the polling data you are seeing is not valid or skewed.  It seems that the majority of Obama supporters on this forum are foreigners.

LOL.  I am actually indifferent to who wins the election, but I recognize Obama faced a very difficult time when he took office.  I have lived through those tough times.  Canada had them much earlier, particularly in Alberta, where I live, when oil prices collapsed.  We faced personal tax rates close to 50% as we eliminated the annual deficit, and it wasn't pretty, but in the end, it was worth it.  So, I know how long it takes to turn things around.

But, I do know, virtually, a lot of Obama supporters.  One woman is a Texan, and claims it's lonely to be a lifelong Democrat there.  Another is in San Francisco.  One couple live in Md (both work in government in DC, one is a big "mucky muck", the other in IT), another couple in Colo, and the list goes on.

My American cousins are Baptists in Idaho, very conservative but for the black sheep brother.

[calmissile]

I wish I could be indifferent.  It is the worse set of choices I can remember in my lifetime.  I guess it might come down to who is the least of the liars!  Since both parties are responsible for screwing up America over the past 40 years, and their is no credible third party candidate, it's a tough choice.  The Republicans are likely to continue to favor big business, offshore jobs, no tarrifs, and bailouts to the corporations that should fail and fold.   On the other hand we have the socialists that want to continue growing government and giving entitlements to the non-productive segments of the population.

I guess the question, is which set of policies can we recover from (if ever) the soonest.  Until we have a third party that represents the middle class, I can only see a further slide into the shitter!

[GQBlues]

Can you name two other famous leaders in the world who wrote their autobiography when they were a nobody? 
 
5, 4, 3, 2, 1   Time's Up
 
Hitler and Stalin

LOL. How timely!

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11288862-peoria-bishop-compares-obamas-actions-to-stalin-hitler?lite

I am not say he is similar to these men, yet he may share some things.

...and so according to Bishop Jenky.