Yakov Smirnoff, the comedian used to say (way back when) that in USA you can always find a party; while in USSR the party always finds you.
Things have not changed that much.
Moby, Russia has a habit of importing chemical weapons and radioactive poisons in your country to assassinate people. What's the UK going to do about it?
At least 19 others in the area also suffered some exposure. Luke Harding is a reporter for The Guardian in London and the author of a book on another ex-Russian spy poisoned on British soil, Alexander Litvinenko. Harding says this attack was meant to send a message.
Well, there's Billyb's and Russia's 'theory's' and the UK govt. says..
Your government has a theory and suspects Russia did it. I never offered a theory. I said Russia did it.
I hardly think Mrs May is 'under pressure' to blame the Kremlin...
Yes, she is Russian resident and was visiting
The Policeman is now sitting up in bed - but it seems that the nerve agent has effected his motor functions - he MAY recover - only time will tell
Papa and daughter are still critical
It's the next county to me
This is not great for me as you know I was planning a search in Russia later this year.
Has Putin ordered the assassination of another Russian dissident living in the UK? From the article:
Nikolai Glushkov, a Russian exile who had links to compatriots who died in mysterious circumstances in the UK, has been found dead in his London home, his lawyer confirmed.
London's Metropolitan police said counter terrorism officers would lead the investigation "as a precaution because of associations that the man is believed to have had."
If it's an assassination and even if it looks like suicide it's probably an assassination then is Putin sending a message that the UK is not safe for dissidents? What is the UK going to do? Other than cutting diplomatic relations with Russia and imposing more sanctions there's really not much the UK can do.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/europe/nikolai-glushkov-russia-intl/index.html
And some keep wondering why I say such an idea is ludicrous . . . not just for you.
If it's an assassination and even if it looks like suicide it's probably an assassination then is Putin sending a message that the UK is not safe for dissidents?
- should 'we' all 'stay away' from the US - if we disagree with the policies of their leadership ?
Well Visa's for the moment are still on, whether this will last long term we'll just have to see. I think you still have a point ML that Russia is a little more precarious on the foreign relations front as the old East/West divide still persists and could cause immense problems for those pursuing or involved with a Russian girl at any time.
Yesterday, it seems, there was a threat to discontinue RT in GB.
Grand Britannia should probably make novichok illegal.
Actually UK is expelling the wrong group.
Russia says that Ukraine did the bad deed.
Actually UK is expelling the wrong group.
Russia says that Ukraine did the bad deed.
Not 'England'....not 'GB'.....UK...OK?)
OK?
Russia tells the OK they shouldn't threaten a nuclear power. The only way to stop a bad guy with a nuke is with a good guy with a nuke. Russia also thinks UK's investigation is a circus. Moby, you guys selling tickets to that circus?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-given-24-hour-deadline-explain-military-grade-nerve-agent-attack-uk-173213606.html
Also in the article one of the developers said there is no cure and health problems may show up years down the road for those exposed. Also if traces of the chemical are left behind, it can last years and affect others who come in contact with it.
I think a few of the early measures taken such as building a chemical defense establishment and further powers & checks on Russians entering the country are decent enough response. Militarily though it looks like & I fear our military will be sitting it out on the sidelines holding the latest military gear looking all pristine and doing nothing. I do not see any sense it paying for all the up to date military equipment for it to do that. I think the UK & US etc need to engage Russia (& perhaps China) in the small scale theatres of war like they did back in the cold war. Only by giving Russia bloody nose and checking its moves will they reign their ambitions in. I rather fear the UK gov/military will be too timid in there willingness to use its armed forces.
My only question is why - if these nerve agents are so dangerous - is no one dead
Could be it was administered in two places...A rather convoluted and unprofessional procedure, would it not be? How could they be sure that the intended victims would visit those 2 places in the necessary time frame ::)?
and to date they have been correct , the response is weak and mainly toothless
this just emboldens putin to raise the stakes even higher next time around and their will be a next time soon enough
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the problem for teressa may is to penalise russia significantly , she must also take on all the wealthy russian bussiness dollars in the UK
the UK gov cant even silence RT in theIr country for fear of retribution from russia and its dollars
putin imo is reading the game better and playing to his strategies , the rest of the world are just in awe /catch up mode as to how he continually out plays them
no one is prepared to call his bluff
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the west needs to wake up totally and deal with the problem of Putin & Russia.
western values .conscience ..call it what you will of the worlds leaders currently will wait until they have no other reasonable choice ,
I think the investigation could prove fruitful
Personally I would like to see the UK assist with defeating the rebels in eastern Ukraine. Since the Russians are not supposed to be there anyway it would be something Russia would be unable to argue against but still take the hit. I think this is very doubtful to happen though at least as things stand.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552)
Police say Mr Glushkov, whose family has been informed, died from "compression to the neck".
Well, VVP has responded
He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council - reserving the right to take further action !
I think the danger comes in Russia swallowing up its break away republics over time. Without them they are not nearly as powerful as they were as the USSR.
These republics are not needed for power.
The republics are desired as a physical barrier to attack by land from the west.
Well, VVP has responded
He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council -
reserving the right to take further action !
Evidence is pointing toward the poison having been delivered in some sticky stuff smeared on the door handle of his home. A rather crude delivery that, if true, probably explains why he is still alive, how his daughter got rowed in and why traces of poison were spread around the town.
Ok..now we know the truth....
http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772 (http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772)
''Britain did it to divert attention from the government's failure to deliver on 'brexit...' ''
Is Putin's actions going to crush the UK economically and install fear in it's citizens? Probably not. Goes to show you how weak the UK's actions on Russia was. Me thinks the assassinations will continue. It may be a few years before Putin tries a number of assassinations in the UK again but it will happen again because it's important he lets Russians know they aren't getting away with betraying him and Russia.
the UK would have taken stock of the russian money involved . . .
Likewise, how about UK simply nationalize the billions of housing owned by Russians?
So who has most at risk, UK or Russian citizens?
Spoke to a Russian friend who says the nerve agent can be in a binary format and only when two substances combine, does it become active..
Could be it was administered in two places...
Where have you been?
In his book, Debt of Honor, 1994, Clancy introduced terrorism by using Commercial Aircraft to take down buildings, well before September 11th. In it, a Japanese pilot crashes a 747 into the Capital, taking out the sitting government.
What is never spoken about is that taking control of a plane and purposely crashing it was actually practiced before September 11th in Egypt, in 1999. The US had ample warning that such was a terror premise that was being looked at by Al Queda.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82910&page=1
While not a purposely oriented crash. The power of an airplane hitting a building was clearly demonstrated when ElAl flight 1862 hit an apartment building called the Bijlmermeer in 1992.
The power of an airplane hitting a building was clearly demonstrated when ElAl flight 1862 hit an apartment building called the Bijlmermeer in 1992.Even a small plane can cause substantial damage. In April 2002 a Rockwell Commander piloted by a confused Swiss on his way to Milan's Linate airport hit the 26th floor of "Pirellone", a high-rise office building originally for Pirelli next to the Central Railway station, starting a fire that caused 3 deaths and 70 wounded.
Jeez,
JUST found this
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-43820894/the-man-who-made-novichok (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-43820894/the-man-who-made-novichok)
A man who made Novichok is certain that Moscow ordered it ....
Yesterday, it seems, there was a threat to discontinue RT in GB.
Was reading on mail.ru yesterday that Yulia Skripal's cousin has been denied a visa to see Julia multiple times. Hmm. I wonder why?
uhhh I hope our friends across the pond realize what happened
the Novichok used in the UK was a BINARY Novichok
you can't ship pre-mixed Novichok an accident on the plane, before the plane, etc
besides the other binary agent is too bulky
you just want the organo-phosphor part of the binary agent
and get the secondary ingredient which is iso-alcohol available at the drug store
right across from where this sample was found and next to the park playground
which is probably mixed it
hey MI5!
look at video from drug store from day before to day of Skipral poisoning
your culprits will be buying rubbing alcohol there
Even the would be killers wouldn't be that dumb. MI5 might be.
look at video from drug store from day before to day of Skipral poisoning
your culprits will be buying rubbing alcohol there
Ah Ha! So Russia was right that the nerve agent was made in the UK!
Moby, you're as dumb as a box of rocks. How many times on this forum nobody thought I was serious about something but you? You're clueless to what goes on around you. Get your head examined.
Please come to Amesbury or Salisbury. ..or anywhere in Britain.. and claim you were 'joking'...
I live about a hour from Amesbury
Russia has been regularly sneaking in radioactive material and weapons of mass destruction into the UK and the UK government hasn't punished Russia hard enough to discourage them from doing this again and you feel people are more angry at someone who makes a joke? The UK citizens should be screaming at their government for action.
Yes, we know Moby. You living so close to Amesbury makes you an expert on everything Amesbury. You haven't talked to a soul there yet you know how they think about me.
..and now they've named them - with CCTV footage ..
European Arrest warrants issued - so if they try to enter the EU / EEA nations ...
There is no extradition treaty with Russia
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445)
Edited to add : Theresa May hs just announced the suspects are military intelligence operatives ..... 'GRU' up to 'away games' - AGAIN ?
Who STILL believes the Kremlin, anymore ?
Who'd fly to Moscow, go to say- Ivanovo - and fly back the next day ? ...
Yeah, right ..my bolding above
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/AC2F/production/_103397044_spy_timeline_overview_v2-nc.png)
They flew in to London - went to a residential area of Salisbury - where Skripal lived and LEFT ...
Two Russian guys on BIZ (?)Visa's ..who did they meet and while such a short a stay and WHY go to a residential Salisbury street..?
BTW: Stonehenge has paths to prevent guests getting muddy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697)
Who STILL believes the Kremlin, anymore ?
Who'd fly to Moscow, go to say- Ivanovo - and fly back the next day ? ...
my bolding above
Back in 1999 I flew into Moscow from London on a Friday and returned to London on a Sunday on at least half a dozen occasions. Also did this during the week when the opportunity presented itself. This is quite common, even today.
People fly into Moscow on a Friday from London or Paris or Geneva, etc and return home on a Sunday. Perhaps they're Russians returning home for a visit or it's business related. In my case it was to visit my g/f.
If you check the flight schedules you'll see there are many flights in and out of Moscow during the week to all the major and many minor European cities.
I took Russians from Oxford to London - via Stonehenge and Salisbury - to Bournemouth and onto London a couple of years ago
Were you a chauffeur? This in mind is a highly convoluted road trip.
Were you a chauffeur? This in mind is a highly convoluted road trip.
They are my friends and I was making sure they saw as much of the UK in 7 days and they could ...
Collected from Heathrow to Oxford, London ( 3 days ) Bath, Brighton ( 2 days) on train to Gatwick
Why ARE you such a 'doubting Thomas' ?
Though Moby everything you post is doubtable.
That you 'expand' on your road trip it is indeed a reasonable visit, in fact possibly enjoyable. Initially it sounded in the context of those who poisoned the Skripals as a one day thing that you did.
As is often the case with Moby he has cocked up the quotes ~ okay I have done it as well, but usually I catch them and correct them.
But the very posts above points out what a little pathetic human you are. Your exploits from a few years back are revealing enough into to your character (or lack there of).
But, once again, you are merely deflecting from YOUR - frequent - and unfortunate bad habit of questioning my personal experiences- including those of thirty years ago and more recent...
So now, having FAILED on the ' Moby fibbed front' - and not being gentlemanly enough to simply concede .... you compound the deflection by doing a Silly BillyB and reminding members of my oft admitted stupidity in responding to a fib posted about me on the net - with a truthful riposte ?
Look, I'm really sorry to disappoint you - but ex-wife and I get on just fine - she came down to to the Sailing Club yesterday- having called me to ask permission - with two mutual friends - a BY and UA lady ( she is Russian) - parked her car next to mine and went for a walk around the lakes - before 'supporting' me making a pillock of myself ( being over the line - the Officer of the Day was somewhat slow in flying the flag to denote someone was over - and I was at the far end of the line - having done a port end flyer - lost a minute going back - hitting a mark -360 penalty - ) and recovering to take second in the annual Bart's Bash race..
So, may be you can deal with YOUR trust issues ( making a pillock of yourself) and suggesting folks are fibbing - when they aren't ;)
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Av -- Moby fibbing mmmmm hard to believe from such a genius sailor!
Moby has such a clear recollection of all things past( not!!!) --EXCEPT would you believe is proof ( or even any confirming evidence)that he was in Crimea in Feb 2014 completely escapes him at to where he went and for how long -- BUT -- it suits his attempts at story telling in his haste to try and prove some point that was not in contention -- and there is more-- Moby was using a nav system that did not exist when he was actually there !!
I raise this here again -- because Moby is so busy stalking AV with nonsensical allegations of nothingness and all from a proven LIAR. :cluebat:
btw Moby -- some of us got banned permanently at rua -- and only the super sucks who got invited back actually went! Even then-I can understand why your dribble is edited over there.
Moby, You can NOT provide any actual evidence of your event with J. Clarkson, Pas de Calais or A. Robinson, dinner. It is a fib/fantasy until proved otherwise by your self.
Moby, You can NOT provide any actual evidence of your event with J. Clarkson, Pas de Calais or A. Robinson, dinner. It is a fib/fantasy until proved otherwise by your self.
I can say I have met the queen of England and Amsterdam in Amsterdam. OK it was little more than a nod and smile. But my youngest daughter presented a bouquet to Quenn Elisabeth. I can back this up with news and reports. You can not provide any such proof.
Why not take a hike to the library and find some proof?
Sadly, you don't enjoy the luxury of my ripostes never appearing - on here - so your daft 'assertions' about my past exploits from 30 years ago
ex-wife and I get on just fine - she came down to to the Sailing Club yesterday- having called me to ask permission - with two mutual friends - a BY and UA lady ( she is Russian) - parked her car next to mine and went for a walk around the lakes - before 'supporting' me making a pillock of myself ( being over the line - the Officer of the Day was somewhat slow in flying the flag to denote someone was over - and I was at the far end of the line - having done a port end flyer - lost a minute going back - hitting a mark -360 penalty - ) and recovering to take second in the annual Bart's Bash race..
Moby, I suspect there are few who desire to read your 'ripostes' involving figments of your imagination from 30 years ago.
For Moby -- there are a few tips in here !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBB5fEYz7s
AV say he sails an old man's boat ... I've no reason to doubt him .. ;)
I was in the UK National team for 10 days .. but the then Laser coach - also from N.Ireland wanted commitment I couldn't give as I hard just started my own biz
I am now overweight for a Laser - and no where near fit enough but beat all the other Lasers - despite giving them a one min 20 head start with my various penalties .... We have one guy in his v. late seventies still racing one
I have no idea what you do (JayH) tennis orientated ? ....
What sort of strange person tells another they haven't done what they truly have and demands proof 30 years on ?
I dropped a few names in reference to some of your "name dropping" for a bit of fun-- but in my case all very very real ! I can keep going if you like !! :D
One of the many problems you have ...
Av has not always sailed an old mans boat ! Not sure which of his boats he was referring to --but he has a very beautiful largish yacht that would fit my description that would match! BTW Moby -- you could not even afford a week's charter of that type of boat -- and AV owns it !! ;D
Interesting comment on your "involvement" in UK team -- does not fit with how things are done- so call me sceptical.
Further -overweight for a Laser --mmmm -- not a fit either looking at your photos and noting recent comments about claimed height-- so perhaps you can tell us what weight you actually are? - Call me sceptical again !
Further (2) -- the Laser has a thriving age division world championship at Masters Games so there is no excuse !
Funnily enough after seeing various sailing related posts and your Laser claims I was going to tell you I could sail a Laser backwards around a course faster than you can sail !! And -- the Laser has never been part of anything serious for me -- and --I still own one !
As for Av ... He seems to believe that my stance on immigration and not tarring all followers of Islam with the same brush makes me 'strange' ..
Ah the Moby shufflePlease show where I have discussed your stance on immigration?
Ego a bit bruised? Veracity doubted?
Give it a rest Moby, your veracity is at an all time low with you shuffle/deflection.
It is a fib, you can not provide any proof otherwise.
Why should I 'give it a rest' when you persist in telling us a truthful recollection of my past experiences are fibs ?
IF this was a Court of Law - YOU'd need to prove I was 'fibbing' - which I'm not ....
You seem VERY confused as to right and wrong, truth and fiction ...
Here is where you are wrong you are claiming something you can not prove. From Stateside I checked where I could and can not find any proof of your 'exploits'. If I was an employer I would demand a proof of your claims. If I was a publisher again tangible evidence would be needed. You have every chance to do some research and indicate the reality with proof.
Until presently it remains a fib.
Here is where you are wrong you are claiming something you can not prove.
From Stateside I checked where I could and can not find any proof of your 'exploits'. If I was an employer I would demand a proof of your claims. If I was a publisher again tangible evidence would be needed. You have every chance to do some research and indicate the reality with proof.
Until presently it remains a fib. [/font][/size]
A very clear lie told -- and much attempt to divert from discussion .
Everywhere else you are accused of being a liar-- you spend endless time justifying yourself
You are busy posting all over the place -- but decline to tell us your weight.
You recently made an attempt to confuse over your actual height -- and photo you used gives us some idea of your actual weight.
NOTE -- when Moby is confronted about his bs -- no answer -- anything but an answer
You are busy posting all over the place -- but decline to tell us your weight.
You recently made an attempt to confuse over your actual height -- and photo you used gives us some idea of your actual weight.
NOTE -- when Moby is confronted about his bs -- no answer -- anything but an answer
So -- state your height and current weight is ????????????????????????????
Moby --thanks for reposting that last photo-I specifically mentioned that in another thread today!
On you sailing "feats" --mmm well-- good for you ! I am happy that anyone participates -- but -- let me paraphrase some comments I have made many times in other worlds in trying to explain high level competition
Now back to a few specifics
--Too heavy for a Laser? Stop avoiding the question
THEN-- prove you were in Crimea in Feb 2014 as you stated . I believe it was at least 2 years earlier that you were there.Offer some supporting "evidence " to your claim .
So -- I call LIAR again.
On all the sailing issues -- my actual attitude is good for you -- and it is what it is and does not need embellishment into something it is not.
It's easy Moby-- state it here where it is directly relevant to a point in question!
You could have said too light too fat ,too unfit,too old -- but no-you said too heavy !
Which-- I dispute -- so just tell us all why you refuse to answer !!!
So - what is your height & weight?
So-- where is the link to your posts from Crimea Feb 2014?
You seems confused as to time, now, too - comparing today with the eighties - The guys who earnt money and it wasn't THAT big were ex-Olympic Champions - who precluded themselves from competing by their taking up - say - America's Cup campaigns
179cm plus - low 90 Kg - the mass is not made up muscular form - given my paunch ...
A quick check on Laser forums would have shown you that Ben Ainslie - 3to 4cm taller - ( UK multiple Gold and Silver Medal winner ) was 78Kg - his ideal weight when competing for Laser Championships and he went up to 90Kg for the Finn
Things change, there now is decent money in driving boats or coaching sailors. As well as navigator, tactician and bow man. A friend from Star days is and has been for a long time connected to the Luna Rosa team. He earns $100,000 per year when we last spoke two years ago. I understand the tactician's on a TP52 earn more now.
When I was sailing Star's I knew B. Ainsle was competing in Medemblik, I suspect for the Finn he weighed a bit more.
So -- state your height and current weight is ????????????????????????????
When I was sailing Star's I knew B. Ainsle was competing in Medemblik, I suspect for the Finn he weighed a bit more.
OK about Moby. I've been on video chat with him and I've spoken to the lovely SC. I would judge him to be of average height (5' 10') and weight (185 pounds). He could lose about 20 pounds but other than that, he is A-OK.
I have no inclination to get involved with this. I try and get along with everyone. And if any of you fellas wind up in the Republic of Georgia, look me up. I'll be glad to show you around.
OK about Moby. I've been on video chat with him and I've spoken to the lovely SC. I would judge him to be of average height (5' 10') and weight (185 pounds). He could lose about 20 pounds but other than that, he is A-OK.
Regardless of all else -- 90kgs is ok weight for a weekend Laser sailor.
Another messed up quote from Moby.
The key to B. Ainsle was/is he is supper fit. Most Finn sailors were 110 kilo and up. More than any other sailor Ainsle was very 'physical' in the Finn and set a new standard to race at the highest level.
Telly-tubbie, No-oh ... JayH .... you may be referring to yourself.... *I* still race regularly ....WHY do you persist in writing about stuff - when it is clear you don't live the life TO know ? ;)
You have no idea about my background --or why or how -- and it will stay like that.
Moby -- you show up in near enough every thread
spewing your scepticim and innuendo over others relentlessly, The you sqeall lick the stuck pig you are when your lies are exposed.
You are a hipocrite in the extreme -- you make up stuff about others without ANY foundation of truth -- and then want to get away with playing the victim.
Sound familiar--
you and Trump have more that telling lies in common.
You told an outright lie in your desire to be "one up" -- and support a contention of your own.
Of note -- you and silly Billy cannot leave anything --have a look at how many threads you destroy-- and how many people at any one time you are arguing with .
You really are a DUNCE !!
Yesterday, it seems, there was a threat to discontinue RT in GB. Russia quickly responded that they would remove all UK correspondents and reporters from Russia. Then, in a blatant effort to intimidate GB, the spokesperson said that it is not wise to threaten a 'nuclear power'. Strong arm tactics. Seems to be the new Russia.
..and now Bellingcat reveal the second 'Russian Tourist" ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45791378 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45791378)
Skripal attack: Bellingcat names second Salisbury suspect
"The Bellingcat investigative website says the man who travelled under the alias Alexander Petrov is a military doctor working for Russian intelligence."