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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #875 on: August 31, 2014, 09:52:13 AM »
Miss Ameno,

Thank you for all the information you provide.  I read all your posts.



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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #876 on: August 31, 2014, 10:02:29 AM »
I just watched a CNN interview with a radical Muslim cleric.  The cleric supports ISIS.   Frankly, the rationalization used by the cleric sounded very similar in style to what I hear in interviews with Russian government spokesmen (e.g., Russian UN Ambassador). 

Is there a difference?

The CNN reporter became very frustrated when trying to discuss logic with the cleric.  The reported closed the interview with a comment of dismay, "What a world we live in."  Yes indeed!

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #877 on: August 31, 2014, 01:07:09 PM »
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USA will send military assistance to Ukraine and ensures cooperation between experts from the Ministry of Defense.

Ukraine will receive from USA helmets, equipment for explosive ordnance disposal, radios, body armor, individual first aid kits, sleeping mats and jackets. In the coming weeks will be sent also night vision devices, thermal imaging and more stations.

In addition, support will be provided to the State Border Service of Ukraine by clothing, tents, generators for low power, manual fuel pumps, engineering equipment, communications equipment, vehicles, individual non-lethal tactical gear and surveillance equipment. Last supplies will include excavators, cranes, thermal imaging, video surveillance equipment, communications equipment, tents, barbed wire, sleeping bags, and small generators. In the future, the United States will provide more equipment and CCTV equipment, truck and small patrol vessel.

In addition, experts of USA Ministry of Defense will meet with Ukrainian colleagues to evaluate specific measures and programs aimed at defense.
The Defense Department and the State Department will use $ 19 million from the Global Security Reserve Fund for training and equipping the National Guard of Ukraine. We expect that the training will begin in 2015.

http://gazeta.ua/articles/politics/_ukrayina-otrimaye-vijskovu-dopomogu-vid-ssa/578295

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #878 on: August 31, 2014, 01:29:15 PM »
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"The group of Russian troops reinforced by units of Spetsnaz GRU and artillery units of the North Caucasus Military District. Russian army occupies positions in the region of Donetsk, Starobeshevo, Kuteinikov, Novij Svit. The total number of army in the area is at least 6 Battalion Task Forces plus reinforcement by 7-8 thousand people. The enemy pulls the rear and supply "

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"Firing positions are built among residential buildings"

Russian villainy is boundless.

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"Ukrainian troops are trying to stabilize the front line and stop Russian invasion. Nobody giving up - Armed Forces, National Guard, Ministry of Interior battalions continue to defend Ukraine"
http://gazeta.ua/articles/np/_u-rajoni-donecka-znahodyatsya-6-taktichnih-grup-i-8-tisyach-vijskovih-rf-zhurnalist/578300

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #879 on: August 31, 2014, 01:34:01 PM »
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Defense Minister Valeriy Geletey declared entry of Russian troops in Donetsk. He told the TV channel "Inter".

"The Russian troops appeared not only in Donetsk, but also in the region of Lugansk airport. They emerged in other cities too," - confirmed the minister of defense.

Because of the presence of Russian troops the situation Donetsk and Lugansk regions complicated.

"We are at war with Russia and it is Russia who decides what happens in the Donbas. We are negotiating not with terrorists but with representatives of the Kremlin" - said Lieutenant General.

In addition, Geletey said that many Russian soldiers, including paratroopers, arrested on the territory of Ukraine.

"The situation is not easy, but it is controllable", - assured the minister of defense Geletey.

http://gazeta.ua/articles/np/_vijska-rf-zyavilisya-ne-tilki-v-donecku-ale-j-v-rajoni-luganskogo-aeroportu-geletej/578303

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #880 on: August 31, 2014, 01:56:06 PM »
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In the network appeared recording of the conversation between Russian soldier and his parents. While talking Russian soldier complains that he is about to be send to fight in Ukraine. He absolutely does not want and asks his father to help him not to go to fight 'for this sh*ty Ukraine. " He was advised to complain on the health to avoid being sent to war. Also, the soldier said that from his unit going 35 people, not first time and sending will continue in the future. He tells about a lot of dead Russians. At the same time military claims that in the conflict with Ukraine already involved 10 thousand RF military and shooting of the territory of Ukraine with "Grad" at nights". The man also spoke with his mother who worries about her son and advised him to write a report or complain about health.

http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/rosiyskiy-viyskoviy-rozpoviv-svoyim-batkam-pro-strah-voyuvati-v-ukrayini-de-gine-bagato-soldativ-365876.html


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #881 on: August 31, 2014, 02:08:14 PM »
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In the occupied city Novoazovsk of Donetsk region Russian troops handed out locals instructions on the rules of conduct. National Security Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko told at a briefing in Kyiv on Sunday, August 31. "On the territory of Novoazovska Russian occupiers continue to apply the methods of Nazi war propaganda, including instructions to residents of Azov "How to behave with peacekeeping contingent forces of Russia", - said Lysenko. According to him, the" instructions "explained that residents not allowed to prevent movement of Russian troops allegedly acting in accordance with the Geneva Convention of 1949, "came to protect you from terrorists from illegal Ukrainian army", fully comply with the curfew, be prepared for the possible release of living space to accommodate the "peacekeeping forces", reports UNIAN.
"Guide also offers to talk on the" liberated territories "only in Russian language, provide "peacekeepers" with information about the locations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, prepare lists of Ukrainian military, participants of Maidan, pro-Ukrainian community activists for transfer to FSB, for which citizens will have more food and benefits, and the Defense Ministry will ensure that "no one just shoot" - the Lysenko

http://tsn.ua/politika/viyskovi-rf-u-novoazovsku-nazvalisya-mirotvorcyami-i-prosyat-miscevih-rozmovlyati-rosiyskoyu-365856.html

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #882 on: August 31, 2014, 02:47:53 PM »
For the Putin lovers:


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #883 on: August 31, 2014, 03:17:11 PM »
"There is information that in the Omsk being coordinated the airborne brigade, whose mission - relocation to Crimea and exit on Kherson"

http://gazeta.ua/articles/np/_rosijski-vijskovi-zaraz-po-vsij-ukrayini-gricenko/578304

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #884 on: August 31, 2014, 03:30:32 PM »
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Russian troops want to strike at Volnovaha and thereby cut the Ukrainian army group, which is based there. This said battalion commander "Azov" Andrew Beletsky  to TV channel "Inter", while in the area occupied by the Russians Novoazovska.

"The breakthrough will not be applied in the area Novoazoska, but to the north, the situation is more difficult there. Want to cut the army by hit on Volnovakha" - said Beletsky.

According to commander, the situation in the Novoazovsk is stable -  fighting going on on the local level. He confirmed that Russian troops destroyed the boat of border guards near Mariupol.

At the same time fighters of "Azov" destroyed a group of sappers who tried to clear barricades. In the Novoazovsk Russian officers took command of the terrorists in their hands.

"The Russians handed technique to separatists. Now they serve as officers and military experts," - said the battalion commander.

According to Beletsky, strongest in terms of defense remains a city of Mariupol.

"In Mariupol, as in 1941, hundreds of people digging trenches and bunkers. Everyone makes a huge effort to war do not come to them. Our troops are ready to fight to the last" - assured the commander.

Andrew Beletsky also convinced that the ultimate goal of Russia is not Donbass, but Kyiv and all Ukraine.

"The first stage - the rear from Luhansk and Donesykoy areas. Second stage - to Odessa, then - Kyiv and the West," - said the battalion commander.

http://gazeta.ua/articles/np/_rosiyani-gotuyutsya-atakuvati-volnovahu-kombat-azova/578305

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #885 on: August 31, 2014, 03:44:56 PM »
Список псковских десантников, погибших в Украине (List of Pskov paratroopers killed in Ukraine)
Бычков Руслан http://vk.com/id218913386
Гарафиев Руслан http://vk.com/id139083949 (this one has vk status 'мачу хохлов в Растове !!!' - а теперь уже сам замочен; земля тебе пухом, вата)
Долгов Дмитрий http://vk.com/id79470134
Климов Иван http://vk.com/id224796237
Кочуков Игорь http://vk.com/id132823359
Крыгин Николай http://vk.com/id34937361
Кухта Илья http://vk.com/id101934845
Максимов Илья http://vk.com/id95243113
Матвиец Николай http://vk.com/id159182194
Насиев Рустам http://vk.com/id182245175
Полянин Максим http://vk.com/id201282097
Силкин Виталий http://vk.com/id223640462
Тимофеев Александр http://vk.com/id85376579
Цепляев Никита http://vk.com/id238587053

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #886 on: August 31, 2014, 03:55:10 PM »
Для ватников ...

Нам нужен Киев, а не Луганск (We need Kiev, not Lugansk)


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #887 on: August 31, 2014, 04:56:48 PM »
miss A
thank you also for the links and information posted

it is good to see you continue to post ,

words cannot describe our familys feelings  as we watch putin unload this nightmare on ukraine
 we can only hope our loved ones and others family also stay as safe as is possible

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #888 on: August 31, 2014, 05:13:04 PM »
In social networks appeared a video filmed by Kadyrovtsy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovtsy), who as part of a large armored column of Russian troops invading Ukraine. According to some reports the video was shot in Wednesday, August 27th in the afternoon.

Filmed on a phone camera military convoy Kadyrovtsy comments on the situation, explaining that "at the moment there is an intrusion in the Ukraine." He boasts of the fact that the military convoy "is not seen to the end and to the beginning."

At the same time, the murtad out of the blue few times says "Allahu Akbar" and expresses the hope that they will return home alive, writes Kavkazcenter.

One of Kadyrovtsy, located in the tank, said at the camera - "We want to tear off well those Ukrainians, we will give the heat to those Nazis ...".

Earlier, a group "Information resistance" reported that in the last month in Chechnya from Ukraine been brought about 150 corpses Kadyrovtsy.




Interesting if Putin will pay also $85K for their heads or these ones will be free to Russian Federation?

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A few days ago in Chechnya were brought another batch of corpses Kadyrovtsy. The exact number of bodies is not known.

KC sources report that for each destroyed Kadyrovtsy their parents been paid 85 thousand dollars. In this case, the money were presented by Russian officers strictly individually to each family.

The total number of liquidated in Ukraine Kadyrovtsy according to various estimates ranging from 50 to 100 people. Information about killed murtads not to be published. Local puppets categorically prohibit any dwell on the subject.

Meanwhile, according to the correspondent of the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza Vaclav Radzivinovicha Russian border crossed another "cargo 200". It consisted of a "true sons of Russia": corpses of 29 Russian Special Forces soldiers and 1 Kadyrovtsy.

The driver handed to Ukrainian border guards in the frontier point Uspenka ("uspenka" in Russian means the funeral, says Radzivinovich) paper which specifically stated that the corpse Zhdanovicha Sergei Borisovich, born in 1966, and in his coffin, there are no prohibited export items from Ukraine.

On the Russian side the border guards declined to say where the bodies are sent
last quote was published on 08.06.2014

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2014/06/08/105041.shtml

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #889 on: August 31, 2014, 08:12:54 PM »
miss A
thank you also for the links and information posted

it is good to see you continue to post ,

words cannot describe our familys feelings  as we watch putin unload this nightmare on ukraine
 we can only hope our loved ones and others family also stay as safe as is possible

SX

God is defending Ukraine.  I think God is Ukrainian

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #890 on: September 01, 2014, 09:13:45 AM »
Today, Lamberto Zannier of the OSCE stated OSCE monitors are prohibited from entering rebel controlled areas, and, therefore, Russia's presence cannot be monitored.

After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #891 on: September 01, 2014, 09:33:50 AM »
So Putler is threatening the world with thermonuclear war? Or did he misspoke?


Yo Belvis, did you hear this in Russia?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #892 on: September 01, 2014, 10:14:45 AM »
So Putler is threatening the world with thermonuclear war? Or did he misspoke?

Yo Belvis, did you hear this in Russia?

Is it necessarily for me to take part in your propaganda wars?  :)
Putin said just the opposite. So,  read all sources to keep some level of immunity from zombification:  http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/747252



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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #893 on: September 01, 2014, 10:17:12 AM »
Is it necessarily for me to take part in your propaganda wars?  :)
Putin said just the opposite. So,  read all sources to keep some level of immunity from zombification:  http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/747252




LMFAO!!!!


The irony of that statement <wiping tears from laughing>
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« Reply #894 on: September 01, 2014, 10:29:01 AM »
Today, Lamberto Zannier of the OSCE stated OSCE monitors are prohibited from entering rebel controlled areas, and, therefore, Russia's presence cannot be monitored.

The Western response to Ukrainian bravery is a crime against humanity

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #895 on: September 01, 2014, 11:20:39 AM »
So my outlaws were watching TV in Ukraine and they have this report.


They talk to a refuge from Donetsk. (Footage included identifying the woman at a Pro-Russia rally) She said that the "liberation" army from Russia selected 40 houses in her village, including hers, and shot them down for target practice. She asks: "WHY, I even voted for the referendum for them to come and liberate us. I was rooting for you!!"



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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #896 on: September 01, 2014, 03:55:11 PM »
Forgive me for posting this from kyivpost, but articles there disappear.  This is an op-ed piece by a Russian politician -

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/why-does-putin-wage-war-on-ukraine-362884.html

At first glance, and from the point of view of a sane person, the war between Russia and Ukraine is some sort of a nightmare, a madness that only brings grief, conflicts and problems to all.

Half a year ago this scenario seemed unreal. It seems that it would take an enemy of both Russia and Ukraine to make enemies out of two peoples with centuries of common history.

However, current events indicate that the most nightmarish, the most bloody scenario of fratricidal war is already developing. This is not our war, this is not your war, this is not the war of 20-year old paratroopers sent out there. This is Vladimir Putin's war.

Why does he need it? Well, he has openly answered this question himself. “We need to start negotiations about politically organizing a society and statehood in southeastern Ukraine.”

He made this statement only now, but the sending of saboteurs-separatists, weapons, and a persistent desire of Putin to force Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to sit at the negotiation table with pro-Putin militants, many of whom are Russian citizens – all of this betrayed his intentions long before the public confession.

The words of Russian presidential spokesperson Dmitr) Peskov, which followed those of Putin, that Putin was misunderstood about the statehood of the east of Ukraine, should not be taken seriously. He talks nonsense all the time. Things like “Putin is married to Russia.” So, once again, Putin himself said: “We need to start negotiations about a political organization of the society and statehood in south-east of Ukraine.” End of quote.

Until lately the goal of Ukraine's dissection has not been set publicly, but instead replaced with the idea of so-called federalization. Kremlin's hypocrisy lies in its attempt to impose on Ukraine and its people something that actual Russian citizens are deprived of because Russia itself has not had any sort of federal state for a long time, since 2004.

Feeble attempts to advocate for the interests of the regions – primarily for the financial ones – are suppressed in a cruel way.

So, Putin is trying to dissect Ukraine and create in the east of the country a puppet state, Novorossiya, that is full economically and politically controlled by the Kremlin.

It's crucial for his clan to control metallurgy in the east of Ukraine, as well as its military-industrial complex. Moreover, southeastern Ukraine is rich in shale gas which would create real competition for the business of Putin's Gazprom.

A disastrous tourism season in Crimea, with a sharp decline in the number of tourists, unheard of price hikes for goods and services, a shortage of drinking water, is pushing Putin's regime towards the annexation of southeaster Ukraine to create a ground corridor to the peninsula.

To achieve these goals, Putin brought in his troops, including paratroopers and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov's men. This is why he supplies weapons and heavy artillery to the east, and this is why he doomed Russia to isolation and sanctions.

These are the paranoid goals for which Russians and Ukrainians are dying while Russia itself is sinking into lies, violence, obscurantism and imperial hysteria.

It's easy to brush it off by saying that he is insane. Many people occasionally think so, including this author. But there is also another explanation.

Through his bloody actions though he his fomenting a fratricidal war; one can see his main goal – preservation of personal power and money at any cost. Before the war his popularity rating was crawling down slowly but surely.

Despite censorship, little by little the society started to understand that those in power are greedy and  amoral people whose main goal is personal enrichment.

The Party of Thieves (Editor's note: This is a common derogatory reference to Yedinaya Rossia, the ruling party of Russia) was losing its position and needed a large-scale shakeup, which would reverse the trend and restore popularity and trust.

Ukraine became an example of an anti-criminal revolution, which overthrew a thieving president. Oh so you dared to get out onto the street and throw off a president? Ukraine needs to be punished for it to make sure that no Russian would gets these thoughts.

Moreover, Ukraine chose the European way, which implies the rule of law, democracy and change of power. Ukraine's success on this way is a direct threat to Putin's power because he chose the opposite course – a lifetime in power, filled with arbitrariness and corruption.

Now, to make sure he does not end up behind bars for violating the constitution of the Russian Federation because sending troops to a foreign state without the approval of the Federation Council of Russia, as well as the violation of Russia's international obligations on non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, Putin does not leave himself any maneuvers except to stay in power until his death.

So his behavior looks like madness, but in fact it's a cold strategy for life-long despotism.

Often supporters of the idea of Russian World (Editor's note: This idea implies the existence of a trans-national community united by its love of Russia, its culture and language) explain Putin's aggression in Ukraine by saying that post-Soviet republics, including Ukraine, is the zone of vital interests for Russia.

Instead of showing the world an example of rule of law, security, development and high quality of life, implanted into the minds of people is the concept of raw force and threats. However, he achieves the opposite result.

Ukraine is already heading for NATO, even though before the war it had a non-aligned status. The actual North Atlantic Treaty has grown stronger, the bond between America and Europe has become more durable than before. Moreover, Putin's aggression consolidated the Ukrainian people, and the fight for independence and territorial integrity became the national idea.

In other words, none of Putin's goals have been achieved. The opposite is happening.

Boris Nemtsov is a leader of Russia's RPR-Parnas liberal party and the Solidarity opposition movement and a deputy of the Yaroslavl oblast's legislature. He was the governor of the Nizhny Novgorod oblast in 1991 to 1997 and a deputy prime minister of Russia in 1997 to 1998.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #897 on: September 01, 2014, 05:12:40 PM »
BO yes it was agood article

pity more people didnt read it as i think he is on the money

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« Reply #898 on: September 01, 2014, 11:52:32 PM »
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #899 on: September 02, 2014, 05:25:22 AM »
Looks like Putler is about to be 'uninvited' to the G20 meeting to be held in Brisbane in November...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-02/australian-government-to-lobby-g20-nations-to-ban-putin/5712752?section=world

I, for one, don't want to see our tax dollars used to provide security in Aus for this lunatic.

However the sadistic side of me is hoping that if he is allowed here for the meeting, the Aus government will somehow find ways to publicly humiliate this little man. e.g. deliberately expose him to protesters, put his seat at the end of the table away from the other world leaders, place the wrong flag behind him etc.

 

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