What would a U.S.-Russia war look like?

[Muzh]

I'm just shaking my head reading all this nonsense posted here.


It shows that some people in this country:


1) live in fear,
2) don't like changes,
3) if it ain't white, it ain't worth it,
4) is loaded with useful idiots.

[mendeleyev]

Muzh, Ken wisely used the term "if" in his answer.

That being said, I think that "if" were to happen, he'd get approval from Congress. He got a bad Iran deal, an unfortunate sign that Congress no longer listens to the people, but is solely concerned with backing their own parties.

As for the military, it has been changed enough that it will not stand up to a popular leader should someone, of either party, go rouge.

[KenInUtah]

They are bound by an oath to defend the constitution of the US and obey the CinC

Muzh, it's obvious by all your posts that you have never served in ANY military.  A soldier is bound to follow "LAWFUL" orders, not just whatever he is told.  Declaring Martial Law would not be a lawful order by any means without approval from Congress and he'd never get that.

As for the military, it has been changed enough that it will not stand up to a popular leader should someone, of either party, go rouge.

Two problems here.  One, Obama is NOT a popular leader. Two, the US Military represents the US people and while they are a tool of politicians, they are not beholden to the whims of some fanatical Socialist like Obama.  As a vet, I can say this with certainty, Obama does not have any support or backing from the US military or veterans.

Until you pay taxes in the US or can actually vote in the US, I'd kindly ask that you concern yourself with the s@thole you live in and see if you can fix the corruption in Puerto Rico caused by the leftist policies you so obviously adore and leave the US politics to those that actually work for a living, pay taxes, vote and unfortunately financially support all these lazy, liberal wastes of human life.

[Boethius]

LOL, quite a few assumptions there, Ken.  All erroneous, as well.


You can go back and read Muzh's old posts.  He lives in the U.S.  That is where he went to an Ivy League university and obtained his PhD.  He has lived in New York for decades.  That is where he met and married his first wife, and raised his children as their primary caregiver after his AW decided she'd rather party and sleep with men half her age than raise children.  He worked for the State of New York for decades, as a toxicologist.  He was the man who was primarily responsible for clean up of New York's waterways.  He retired last year. after delaying his retirement at the request of the State of New York, so that he could complete a lengthy project he'd headed. 

[Boethius]

to those that actually work for a living, pay taxes, vote and unfortunately financially support all these lazy, liberal wastes of human life.

I literally laughed out loud at this.  This liberal waste of life rarely works less than a 70 work week, and 90 hours is not unusual.


I don't believe anyone is a waste of human life.  That is for God to judge, not me.

[KenInUtah]

Wonderful for him.  I stand corrected.  New York, government employee, Ivy league brainwashing...Yup, that speaks volumes. 

Now then, a proud AMERICAN would "fly" the American flag.  Wouldn't that be appropriate?  Or is burning the flag more to the liberals liking?

As usual, I'm not here to start a fight but I'll be damned if some "Lefty" is gonna preach about the good done by Democrats, insult a Veteran (nee John) or spread more of their hateful lies and not stand up and correct them.  Thats what Libs count on, that they can spread their vitriol and no one will challenge them.  Sorry, that won't happen with me.

[Boethius]

You can express your views without the vitriol. 

Puerto Rico is a US overseas territory or "insular area". 

If this lazy, good for nothing, multilingual foreign liberal knows that, why can't a dyed in the wool, red blooded real American figure it out?

[Darth_Budda]

America is a very divided Land..

Some areas are very Conservative..

Some are more Liberal.

Some are even progressive..

What a beautiful place to live...

NY is a rather Liberal and some times progressive State compared to many places in the USA...

[mendeleyev]

Ken, Muzh is a level headed guy, even if he and I disagree on much in USA politics.

It is great to have friends who disagree. Sometimes, iron sharpens iron.

[jone]

Ken, Muzh is a level headed guy, even if he and I disagree on much in USA politics.

It is great to have friends who disagree. Sometimes, iron sharpens iron.

+1 Mendy.  Muzh has had some gems over the years.  He's put me in my place.  And I consider him a friend.

Dunno what his wife sees in that ugly mug of his.  He must have other attributes.

[Brasscasing]

You are correct but here are the two problems that Obama would have if that was his plan.
1) There is no way he'd get enough approval from Congress
2) If he declared Martial Law, he'd be overthrown in minutes as the government would not agree, the States would not agree and the military (which hates him) would not enforce it.  Declaring Martial Law would basically start a civil war on the homefront that would be over very quick once Obama was arrested.

Thanks for this, Ken. Again, it's more curiosity than conjecture. I'm not even speculating on something of this nature occurring.

+1 Mendy.  Muzh has had some gems over the years.  He's put me in my place.  And I consider him a friend.

Dunno what his wife sees in that ugly mug of his.  He must have other attributes.

+2. The ol' Muzhmeister's a bud. He's got a great front porch, I've seen pics.

Brass

[Muzh]

Muzh, Ken wisely used the term "if" in his answer.

That being said, I think that "if" were to happen, he'd get approval from Congress. He got a bad Iran deal, an unfortunate sign that Congress no longer listens to the people, but is solely concerned with backing their own parties.

As for the military, it has been changed enough that it will not stand up to a popular leader should someone, of either party, go rouge.

Mendy, I've noticed that the only time Congress listen to people, according to some here, is when they enact some right-wing law.


Also, does it really matter whether a person uses "if" when spreading xenophobia, paranoia and demagoguery?


Answer me this, why do you think Obama would go rogue? Cheney had an opportunity, why didn't he?


It seems to me that these "American Patriots" do NOT believe in the system they so rabidly defend.

[Muzh]

They are bound by an oath to defend the constitution of the US and obey the CinC

Muzh, it's obvious by all your posts that you have never served in ANY military.  A soldier is bound to follow "LAWFUL" orders, not just whatever he is told.  Declaring Martial Law would not be a lawful order by any means without approval from Congress and he'd never get that.

As for the military, it has been changed enough that it will not stand up to a popular leader should someone, of either party, go rouge.

Two problems here.  One, Obama is NOT a popular leader. Two, the US Military represents the US people and while they are a tool of politicians, they are not beholden to the whims of some fanatical Socialist like Obama.  As a vet, I can say this with certainty, Obama does not have any support or backing from the US military or veterans.

Until you pay taxes in the US or can actually vote in the US, I'd kindly ask that you concern yourself with the s@thole you live in and see if you can fix the corruption in Puerto Rico caused by the leftist policies you so obviously adore and leave the US politics to those that actually work for a living, pay taxes, vote and unfortunately financially support all these lazy, liberal wastes of human life.

Heh, you are old enough to have been in the military when the National Guard entered Kent State University campus. THAT incident actually created a conscience within the military brass and the politicians who control the military. Of course, that is NOT discussed with the foot soldiers. They are just told what to do.


Also, for your information, the US Military WILL follow the orders of the CinC. Period. YOU can disobey his orders. BUT, you will pay the price. DEARLY. Only a moron would believe that the US military would do whatever they want as they do in the Banana Republics.


Finally, I bet I pay way more federal taxes than you have ever paid in your life.


I see that you are following Mr. Westano's advice of debating instead of insulting.


Sniff, do I smell hypocrisy?

[fathertime]

 


It seems to me that these "American Patriots" do NOT believe in the system they so rabidly defend.

[mendeleyev]

Interesting look into how a war might play out:

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/05/us-russia-vladimir-putin-syria-ukraine-american-military-plans/73147344/

[Darth_Budda]

Interesting look into how a war might play out:

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/05/us-russia-vladimir-putin-syria-ukraine-american-military-plans/73147344/

It would never be a one on one war...

The US would drang in it's allies...

The Russians would drang in China...

Basically neither side is strong enough to invade the other country and occupy land...


With that being said.. I think the average american.. " Excluding Americans raised on farms.."
Could not deal with as many hardships as the average Russian or Chinese...

[jone]

.... the US Military represents the US people and while they are a tool of politicians, they are not beholden to the whims of some fanatical Socialist like Obama.  As a vet, I can say this with certainty, Obama does not have any support or backing from the US military or veterans.

Hmm.  Wonder what he would have said about that Socialist Cripple, Roosevelt?  He certainly seemed to have the backing of his people.

Just because someone is on the other side of the political isle does not mean that they do not love their country and are not good people.  Reminds me of the joke ..... never mind.

[mendeleyev]

Darth, given their nuclear capabilities I do not see them going head to head.  Given that China makes so much from USA trade, that would not happen, at least yet.

What is more likely is Russia deciding to test NATO on Article 5. I remain in the belief that NATO would fold on the Baltics.

[Darth_Budda]

Wars are no longer fought toe to toe...

Their is to many people..

Wars will always turn in to guerilla warfare..  Once they hit the ground..

[Muzh]

Hmm.  Wonder what he would have said about that Socialist Cripple, Roosevelt?  He certainly seemed to have the backing of his people.

Just because someone is on the other side of the political isle does not mean that they do not love their country and are not good people.  Reminds me of the joke ..... never mind.

Yeah, that guy is in an island all by himself. 

[Anathema]

In a conventional war, Russia wouldn't stand a chance.  A lot of people seem to think the Russian military is the same as the old Soviet one.  Their current military is a joke.  They'd have their hands full with somebody like Poland, never mind the US.  It's laughable how one sided it would be.

If you want to talk nuclear, well that's a whole other ball game and nobody wins.

[2tallbill]

I saw this article while surfing the web

RUSSIA: US MAY HAVE DELUSION OF WINNING WAR WITH RUSSIA
MOSCOW (AP)

read the article here

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-30-09-54-04

[Muzh]

I saw this article while surfing the web

RUSSIA: US MAY HAVE DELUSION OF WINNING WAR WITH RUSSIA
MOSCOW (AP)

read the article here

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-30-09-54-04

The guy is fishing. 


The US would never get into a war with Russia in Russia. That is absolutely crazy. The logistics involved are absolutely mind-boggling. The only chance the US had to attack Russia and win was in 1945. That opportunity is long gone.

[2tallbill]

The guy is fishing. 


The US would never get into a war with Russia in Russia. That is absolutely crazy. The logistics involved are absolutely mind-boggling. The only chance the US had to attack Russia and win was in 1945. That opportunity is long gone.

I posted the article to start a conversation, but I agree.

[JayH]

This is a toss of a coin  for the "RUSSIAN NUT CASE OF THE DAY" thread--- or here as one guys vision of what a "war" could look like !


Former Russian Health Chief Suggests U.S. Plotting Zika Attack

MOSCOW -- An outspoken former chief Russian sanitary inspector has suggested that the United States could be infecting mosquitos with the Zika virus in the Black Sea area as a form of biological warfare against Russia.

http://www.rferl.org/content/former-russian-health-chief-suggests-us-plotting-zika-attack/27555365.html