Ukraine-The Future

[AC]

Mrs B -you keep getting the actual factual reality getting in the way of propaganda nonsense.
Funny thing is the proponents of that nonsense never seem to accept the reality!!

As an aside--In the election it looks like over 75% have voted for new directions -and that is not saying others are opposed to them.

More confused hot air.

[lordtiberius]

The USA can't always control what individual citizens choose to do.  There is probably US citizens fighting on both sides of the Ukrainian  conflict.  So long as we are not paying them to be there, that is something that happens.  We *the US* probably have citizens fighting on every side in Syria too.  We can't stop individuals from fighting for the cause they believe in. 


Fathertime!

Thanks for the laugh, FT.  Please run for President

[JayH]

More confused hot air.

You do know this is trolling?

Even more amazing is you really do not connect the dots

[lordtiberius]

And you are running down my country Hoss!  You are walking on the fighting side of me.

[AC]

You do know this is trolling?

Even more amazing is you really do not connect the dots

[lordtiberius]

Whatever goodwill you created with your zeal for Maidan, you are eroding with pettiness and tactlessness.  But hey, if you never make mistakes, all of us who would normally agree with you must obviously be wrong.

[AkMike]

PWD syndrome?

[JayH]

PWD syndrome?

PWD GQ FT LT AC 

[lordtiberius]

PWD syndrome?

Idk either

[Muzh]

Fathertime,

You mean "Otlichno Tovarish"

[Muzh]

You have provided 2 options:
1. Go head to head against a vastly superior enemy.
2. Pucker up and kiss their feet.


There are other options that you are bypassing. 


If your son is overseas as a civilian I have no idea what this has to do with the conversation.  If he is in the military, it is a crappy position to be in, fighting on somebodies else's land 1000's of miles from home, with no real reason for an American to be there.  All in all, you are acting brave with other people's lives...if the Ukrainians WANT to fight Russia, they will do so, we don't have to incentivize them mainly for our own selfish purposes.   



Fathertime!

This just shows that for such an ample forehead, the grey matter is minimal.


Please, by all means keep showing us your:
a) limited mental capacity to grasp complex concepts
b) your alliance to Russia. Maybe a Russian babe in the future?


Heh heh heh

[Muzh]

The "boycott" is because of terrorist disruption and violence/threats of violence.


http://www.euronews.com/2014/05/23/election-boycott-in-eastern-ukraine/

Please, Boe, use smaller words so he can understand.


Heh heh heh

[lordtiberius]

There aren't a lot of Ladas on the road.  Food prices are cheap.  The civil servants still have a Soviet touch to them.  Despite its obvious problems this is looking like a European country.

[AkMike]

At least it looks like it until you get out of the big cities.  Grab a bus and wander thru some of the smaller villages and see what life under the USSR was like. It's still grim but getting better.

 In 2003 when I first went to UA a town of 300K lacked streetlights in most areas and manhole covers had been stolen for scrap metal. Branches and limbs were stuffed in the holes to warn off drivers.
 It's vastly improved since then.

[lordtiberius]

I am in Bila Tserkva

[Muzh]

I am in Bila Tserkva

Now, who really cares?

[AkMike]

I have a grandson that lives there.  Not a bad town from what I've briefly seen.
Fraucha also lives there.

[lordtiberius]

Really?  Wow.  Small world.

Thanks for that.

[calmissile]

Forbes article about what is expected from the USA new Congress for Ukriane.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/11/06/what-can-a-republican-senate-majority-do-for-ukraine/

[ML]

Thanks for that link Doug.

[JayH]

Five parties have signed a coalition agreement: the main points
11.21.2014 2:24Print
Ukraine will eliminate non-aligned status and will integrate into NATO and the EU. Five parties have agreed to the Verkhovna Rada and signed a coalition agreement

<a href="http://liga.net/">Источник</a>



http://news.liga.net/news/politics/4136000-pyat_partiy_podpisali_koalitsionnoe_soglashenie_osnovnye_punkty.htm

Block Poroshenko, the Popular Front, Samopomich, the Radical Party and Fatherland tonight agreed position and signed the coalition agreement. About this  LigaBusinessInform  said a source in the parliament.

As said the source, the main points of the agreement: the newly elected MPs abolished parliamentary immunity. There will also be worked out and approved by the impeachment of the president. Another point of agreement - the integration into the European Union and the implementation of all the items of the association agreement on the way.

Also, all five members of the coalition parties-documented that non-aligned status of Ukraine abolished. Instead, according to the agreement, the entry into the NATO alliance will now aim Ukraine.

<a href="http://liga.net/">Источник</a>

[AkMike]

The shiat just hit the fan. (For the short term.)

[AC]

Here it is in real English so you can actually read and understand what they are saying:


excerpt
Sobolev: Coalition agreement contains prospect of Ukraine's accession to NATO


Ukraine's parliamentary parties initial coalition agreement

"Ukraine will cancel its non-aligned status and resume integration with NATO as part of measures to reform its national security and defense system, as is evident from a draft Ukrainian parliamentary coalition agreement initialed by its future members.

The future coalition plans "to draw up and make amendments to Ukraine's laws on foundations of domestic and foreign policy and foundations of national security, envisioning, inter alia, the cancellation of Ukraine's non-aligned status, the resumption of a political course toward integration into the Euro-Atlantic security space, and acquisition of North-Atlantic Treaty Organization membership," says the draft coalition agreement posted on the Samopomich party's website on Friday.

Among measures to reform the national security and defense system, Ukraine should pass new versions of the National Security Strategy and Military Strategy, taking into account changes in the military-political situation surrounding Ukraine, the document says.

"Among other things, the Military Doctrine shall contain the term 'potential enemy' and clearly determine criteria for recognizing a certain state or a group of states as a potential enemy," it says.

In addition, the future coalition members listed the reestablishment of Ukraine's national sovereignty over Crimea among the strategic goals of Ukraine's foreign and domestic policy."


http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/ukrainian-coalition-plans-to-cancel-non-aligned-status-seek-nato-membership-agreement-372707.html

[AkMike]

Yep, 'Mother Russia' is going to be very PO'd at the gall of these upstart serfs to contravene their wishes!

[LAman]

Forbes article about what is expected from the USA new Congress for Ukriane.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/11/06/what-can-a-republican-senate-majority-do-for-ukraine/

Like I said before....

"they" write what they want you to see
"they" say what they want you to hear.....

Forbes is written with a right-wing slang...but before you respond...it goes both ways. I try to look at things with my rose colored glasses on...and off.
If I can also look into a crystal ball.......who knows what can escalate with US directly involved in Ukraine. Be careful what you set out to do, it usually affects what is not intended.