The Struggle For Ukraine

[Chelseaboy]

There is video of 21 orcs who surrendered on Monday in the Swativ direction of the Luhansk region.


The really interesting thing about this is that they were all mobiks from Moscow and the Moscow region.

[Boethius]

Interesting article on a Marshall Plan for Ukraine.

http://tinyurl.com/2ne9z7pb

In other news, Russia claims to be abandoning Kherson. However, the AFU is wary.

[Grumpy]

  Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu on Wednesday ordered his troops to withdraw from the occupied Ukrainian city of Kherson and take up defensive lines on the opposite bank of the River Dnipro.

The announcement marked one of Russia's most significant retreats and a potential turning point in the war, now nearing the end of its ninth month.

In televised comments, General Sergei Surovikin, in overall command of the war, reported to Shoigu that it was no longer possible to keep Kherson city supplied.

http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-orders-pullout-west-bank-dnipro-kherson-2022-11-09/

[ML]

Interesting article on a Marshall Plan for Ukraine.

http://tinyurl.com/2ne9z7pb

In other news, Russia claims to be abandoning Kherson. However, the AFU is wary.

Yes, it is probably a Trojan Horse inverted.

i.e. Lure the enemy into your camp.

[krimster2]

I'd love to listen to the Ukrainian Hydrologists analysis of what releasing 18 cu kilometers of water from Russia blowing the Kakhovskaya dam will do...

i've been there a couple of times, it's a very flat area, my guess is thousands of sq km flooded...
people should GTF out NOW!!!
if I were Ukrainians I'd bypass Kherson, Russians got every building zeroed in and mined
and they're banking their artillery on the other shore of the river waiting....
don't do a stalingrad and fight in the city
go round

if, Ukraine were to cut access to the NCC (Northern Crimean Canal)  (red line in map)
there goes about 90% of Crimea's water
this year was dryest year in Crimea's history
all major rivers completely dried up, resovoirs at 20% of capacity
ground water already pumped out

there is just one gas pipeline from Russia to Crimea operating now,
it's completely unproteded, above ground, a small bomb is all you'd need
to cut off Crimea's gas, which also fuels it's 3 power plants
oh, and one more bomb to the bridge...
do these things and Crimea is totally focked, isolated and cut-off
they call this "leverage"

PS, next month Iran will be shipping ballistic missiles to Russia, they will be arriving at Simpheropol airport on big air transports
gazillions of "hidey holes" around the airport, perfect for a couple of teams of manpads
or home made anti-air drones (he said, knowingly)

[Chelseaboy]

When the orcs bank their artillery on the other shore of the river,won't that leave them as sitting ducks for the Ukrainian HIMARS ?


The HIMARS greatly outrange any artillery the orcs have.


The 20 HIMARS the Ukrainians have,plus their 155mm artillery can create carnage amongst the orcs banked artillery with counterfire.


I also think Ukrainian troops should go round the city of Kherson,because if they go in it will give the orcs the excuse to do another Mariupol and level the city.


Photographs show that the orcs are now digging trenches in northern Crimea,and laid dragons teeth defences against Tanks outside Belgorod.


Putler's SMO has backfired spectacularly on him as the orcs are now in full defence mode.Not what he intended i'm sure.

[Bee Farmer]

Personally i send smallish amounts through Paypal,as and when i can afford it...as things are getting tight economically in the UK.

Trench, is that you?

[Chelseaboy]

Trench, is that you?

What a Brain-dead comment.


I suggest you do some research about the problems people have in the UK right now.


Out of a population of 67.3 million people,14.5 million of them are living in poverty in the UK....that's 21.5 %.


Food bank usage is constantly rising here,and that includes for people who are working.


The Bank of England has just announced we're starting a two year recession,so the situation is going to get a lot worse for an increasing number of people.


Energy costs are rising,interest rates are rising and food prices are rising.


Charity begins at home,so i have people to help here in the UK first


I suggest you concentrate on your Bee keeping,whilst sending girls in Ukraine your cheap-ass food parcels,instead of trying to belittle people you know nothing about.


What i call smallish is probably a fortune to you.

[Chelseaboy]

Back to the subject matter at hand ...and Kherson has become a bloodbath for the orcs .as i've suggested it would be for quite some time.


Thousands of the orcs are trapped there and they are struggling to evacuate as hellfire is raining down on them...this is going to be a disaster for  Russia and it's military.

[krimster2]

"he HIMARS greatly outrange any artillery the orcs have."

not for Iskanders
a high profile target like HIMARS is totally worth an iskander compared to some ole apartment building...

Soviet era counter-artillery radar would do just fine for predicting launch and impact points of HIMARS
I really don't understand why Rooshins did't bait the HIMARS with a bunch of mobniks
and drop an iskander on them, when they take the bait
they still got em in the mountains in northern Krim
WTF?

things are REALLY getting "fugly" in Rooshya
hmmm hmmmm
every oilagarch is falling over themselves to be more aggressively patriotic
to "talk the talk" so they don't have to "walk the walk"
kinda reminds me of the end stage of nazi-ism, when the SS turned on the people, and executed large numbers of German civilians for being "defeatist"

I expect a Russian nuclear demo somewhere soon, not in Ukraine, not YET! 
space or Russia or sea/ocean

[ML]

Soviet era counter-artillery radar would do just fine for predicting launch and impact points of HIMARS

I don't see how launch points can be predicted.

HIMARS targets can be predicted.
But to know the launch points within a few feet . . . come on now !!!

And, as I understand it, the HIMARS are immediately moved as soon as they fire.  That's the HIM part.

[krimster2]

"I don't see how launch points can be predicted."

that's why I got paid the big bucks!!
I'm sure if you google "Weapons Locating & Counter Battery Radars"  you'll find some layman description of the math behind it!!
an iskander from Krim might have a 3 min flight time
and can be lauched before the HIMARS impact
and this is based on the ancient hardware I used to work on...

[ML]

An Iskander from Krim might have a 3 min flight time
and can be launched before the HIMARS impact

But HIMARS will have already moved.

[2tallbill]

John Kerry fears Russia-Ukraine war will distract
from climate change

"But it could have a profound negative impact on the
climate obviously. You have a war and obviously you’re
going to have massive emissions consequences to the
war.

But equally importantly, you're going to lose people's focus,
you're going to lose certainly big country attention because
they will be diverted and I think it could have a damaging
impact," he continued.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kerry-russia-ukraine-war-climate-change

[Bee Farmer]

What a Brain-dead comment.

Don't get your panties in a bunch over someone poking fun at the fact that you were talking like Trench.  Maybe it is a British thing to make smallish donations, and then pound your chest trying to make it sound like you were doing something meaningful.

I was taught that giving should be in secret.  Do not let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

Out of a population of 67.3 million people,14.5 million of them are living in poverty in the UK....that's 21.5 %.

And what is the poverty rate in Ukraine?

Charity begins at home,so i have people to help here in the UK first

That's pure foolishness.  Charity should be given where it is most needed, and where it will have the greatest benefit.

Even in America, you can find homeless bums who "need" charity.  But it will have no benefit, as charity given to them is just wasted, and then they will need more.

Charity and welfare programs just create a larger need for charity and welfare.

I suggest you concentrate on your Bee keeping,whilst sending girls in Ukraine your cheap-ass food parcels

Beekeeping is just a sideline for me.  I only sent one food parcel.  I don't see the need now, as the food situation in unoccupied Ukraine has stabilized.

instead of trying to belittle people you know nothing about.

Do not be so foolish as to assume that I know nothing about you.  If you post, people can learn things about you.  For example, spelling and grammar correlate to IQ.  Personality traits are also evident. People can also tell if someone is trying to live vicariously through the experiences of the soldiers.

What i call smallish is probably a fortune to you.

Once again, you assume.  Then again, you might be correct, as I had a fine dinner last night of macaroni and cheese, with a can of tuna in it.  I washed it down with plain old water.  My trucks are 20 years old.  (The US is entering recession and inflation is going crazy. 19% of the population is on welfare.  I'm not sure what this has to do with my personal financial situation, but it sounds like a good excuse.)

Live like no one else today, so you can live like no one else tomorrow.

When the orcs bank their artillery on the other shore of the river,won't that leave them as sitting ducks for the Ukrainian HIMARS ?


The HIMARS greatly outrange any artillery the orcs have.


The 20 HIMARS the Ukrainians have,plus their 155mm artillery can create carnage amongst the orcs banked artillery with counterfire.

Yes, HIMARS artillery does have greater range than conventional artillery shells.

Unfortunately, HIMARS rockets cost about $150,000 each.
Unfortunately, Ukraine does not have an unlimited supply of HIMARS rockets.

Conventional artillery rounds cost anywhere from $400-$2,000 each.

Simple mathematics requires that Ukrainians get close enough to use their cheaper artillery ammo, but when they are close enough to use it, they are also within range of the Russian artillery.  But the Russians have more guns and ammo.  At that point, the question becomes who is a better shot, and how to make the Russians run low on ammo. (target ammo dumps.)

[Chelseaboy]

Kherson has been liberated from the orcs.


There are some lovely videos out there of the locals greeting the liberators.


The crowds mobbing them has actually slowed down the Ukrainian troops arriving at the city centre.


The Russian MOD claims they didn't lose a single soldier or piece of equipment during the withdrawal.
If that's the case i'm not sure what the Ukrainian artillery and MLRS were firing at all afternoon and night..they must be terrible shots.


From photographic evidence it looks like several spans of the bridge along the Nova Kakhovka dam were blown up by the orcs during their retreat.


The Antonovski Bridge was blown by the retreating orcs,but wasn't usable anyway after the Ukrainian HIMARS strikes on it during the orc occupation of Kherson.

[krimster2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZALA_Lancet to cripple, and iskander to finish the job
this is the Russian team I'd put in to take out HIMARS


this war has intensified the use of drones and will accellerate its future development
like general aviation was boosted in WWI and WWII

I never paid much attention to drones
but let's just say, I've personally seen things this year that made me change my mind about 'em
and that's all I can say about that

glad to see Kherson is free, next big thing will be to take nova krakova
this will be an inflection point in the war
when the war will change to it's "next stage"

PostScript
"Do not let the left hand know what the right hand is doing."
cuz it'll get jealous, right?  and if you use your left hand that means your bisexual!

"fine dinner last night of macaroni and cheese, with a can of tuna in it."
dewd, you REALLY need to get a woman!
left hand/right hand, macaroni and cheese...
this is NO way for a man to live!!

 

[ML]

"fine dinner last night of macaroni and cheese, with a can of tuna in it."

Would be tastier and easier on teeth to open the can and mix contents with mac and cheese.

[krimster2]

mac and cheese and tuna?

my college recipee was a can of spaghetti O's mixed with tuna
between two slices of buttered bread, back in those days this cost well under a dollar...

my first trip to Paris, I'd buy a bagette and a sausage
hollow out the bagette, coat the sausage in Dijion and insert
voila! instand sandwich

thank BOG I have wimmin taking care of me now!!

[Chelseaboy]

And what is the poverty rate in Ukraine?

That's pure foolishness.  Charity should be given where it is most needed, and where it will have the greatest benefit.

Even in America, you can find homeless bums who "need" charity.  But it will have no benefit, as charity given to them is just wasted, and then they will need more.

Charity and welfare programs just create a larger need for charity and welfare.

I'll just respond to these comments.


I'm English...my friends and family are all English.


This means they get my priority for help when it's needed.


I have mentioned before on here that,unlike many on here, i have absolutely no affinity for Ukraine and it's people whatsoever.
Some men on here have wives from there,whilst others have a fondness for the country having made friends there.
None of this applies to me.


I travelled there once ,to meet a woman from Mariupol in Kiev.


After i returned  home from our meeting she attempted to scam me for $300.
Whilst in Kiev i did not find the people in general pleasant or welcoming at all.They struck me as being aloof.




So i owe Ukraine nothing ..i've never returned there because the country and it's people mean nothing to me.


It's significant that many of the Ukrainian refugees who came here to the UK on the scheme whereby sponsors take them into their homes, are having problems with their sponsors.The sponsors are finding the Ukrainians to be self-entitled and now want them out of their homes.


However i have a great sense of right and wrong,and i believe that Ukraine has been greatly wronged by Russia invading their country....so i help when and where i can.


The Ukrainian people are very fortunate to get any of my help after my limited experience with them...and i will say no more on this matter.

[Boethius]

The better half has been working with Ukrainian refugees here, and we have family staying with us. The better half generally doesn’t mix with Ukrainians or Russians, but has not found any of the refugees he’s worked with to be entitled. He has great sympathy for all of them.

Family is a special circumstance.

[Chelseaboy]

They've been on the news channels here in the UK.


Complaints from sponsors have ranged from having to drive the Ukrainian refugees around everywhere,because they refuse to catch a bus,to the Ukrainians refusing to take part in domestic duties like doing the washing-up,to Ukrainian children being allowed to run wild in their sponsors home when the sponsors are not around.


The latest raft of complaints is where Ukrainian refugees are demanding the sponsors accept their families over for Christmas from Ukraine.


1,915 Ukrainian refugee households have been made homeless in the UK's Homes for Ukraine scheme for various reasons....so far.
That doesn't mean they'll be living on the streets,but it does mean they'll be living in hostels and such.

[Chelseaboy]

Ukraine has now built a wall in the north,at the border with Belarus.


It consists of a ditch,an embankment,a reinforced concrete fence with barbed wire.


Looks around twice the height of a man.

[Patagonie]

They've been on the news channels here in the UK.


Complaints from sponsors have ranged from having to drive the Ukrainian refugees around everywhere,because they refuse to catch a bus,to the Ukrainians refusing to take part in domestic duties like doing the washing-up,to Ukrainian children being allowed to run wild in their sponsors home when the sponsors are not around.


The latest raft of complaints is where Ukrainian refugees are demanding the sponsors accept their families over for Christmas from Ukraine.


1,915 Ukrainian refugee households have been made homeless in the UK's Homes for Ukraine scheme for various reasons....so far.
That doesn't mean they'll be living on the streets,but it does mean they'll be living in hostels and such.

 
I would say that I am not totally surprised and find some cultural traits from the Ukrainian society, I will rewrite the ones I concur:
1/ having to drive them
2/ Demanding that their families are accepted
I valid these two points.

[Boethius]

Isn't the "traditional values" the reason you seek UW?  Thos traditional values mean family is critically important.


As for driving, that's not been my experience.


There are almost 95,000 hosted families in the UK.  There are bound to be a few bad apples.  We don't hear about the majority, who are working out just fine.