The Struggle For Ukraine

[Chelseaboy]

Ukraine has asked for another 24,000 men to join-up and fight against the orcs.


9,000 volunteered within a week .


The really interesting thing is that whilst the orcs need another 250k ( 300k - 500k according to the Express) men to be sent into Ukraine,Ukraine only needs another 24k men to meet them.


This clearly suggests that Ukraine  is losing just 10% of the military that the orcs are.


Death toll for the orcs in Ukraine since 24th February last year now stands at 134,100 

[Trenchcoat]

Brilliant speech from President Zelensky in  London today.


He made a point of thanking Boris Johnson for galvanizing all the countries that are now helping Ukraine.


Mentioned how he sat in Winston Churchills chair on a previous visit to London and felt something.


He said he's looking forward to meeting with King Charles at Buckingham Palace,and said "King Charles was an Air Force   pilot and in our country our Air Force pilots are our kings "...invoking the Battle of Britain spirit.


The UK is now training Ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jets and also our Royal Marines are now training Ukrainians.


Update : Looks like Zelensky's speech had the desired effect as Downing Street confirms PM Sunak has now asked Defence Minister Ben Wallace what fighter jets we can give to Ukraine.

The UK has certainly been at the forefront of helping Ukraine more so than the EU. We've been giving them tanks while EU nations have been procrastinating and squabbling over it.

It certainly makes sense for us to aid Ukraine all we canm After all they are really doing the fight for us. If we didn't aid them Putler would come back a bigger threat following conquering Ukraine and we all know how that one plays out from Hitler. Better for Ukraine to have the fight now while Russia are weaker than us have the fight tommorow when Russia is stronger. Results in a lot year suffering and war in the long run. I thought Zelensky made a fine speech today in London. I personally think he looks a better fit with the UK than with the EU, more comfortable and more in common.

[Trenchcoat]

Ukraine has asked for another 24,000 men to join-up and fight against the orcs.


9,000 volunteered within a week .


The really interesting thing is that whilst the orcs need another 250k ( 300k - 500k according to the Express) men to be sent into Ukraine,Ukraine only needs another 24k men to meet them.


This clearly suggests that Ukraine  is losing just 10% of the military that the orcs are.


Death toll for the orcs in Ukraine since 24th February last year now stands at 134,100 

Interesting figures. Guess Ukraine would rather have volunteers than conscripts though of course they can call them up at any time. Possibly the lower numbers could be down to Ukraine's ability to train, arm, feed & move the men. Ukraine is playing a different game than Russia, they'll almost certainly be on the defensive in the coming months as Russia throws the weight of a hugh army of men with largely basic training at them. That's is still not likely to be an easy fight for Ukraine to win. They will be relying on better trained but fewer soldiers than Russia. Ukraine is getting some much needed modern weaponry from the west but Russia is getting some new stuff too, not a lot of it but it'll be there.

So Ukraine has to avoid giving ground too quickly but chew through up to potentially 300,000-500,000 men to get to Russia is exhausted then counterattack possibly around late Summertime again or the following year. All the while there is the distinct possibility that Russia will continue to conscript men on a flowing basis to try to exhaust Ukraine.

So I think Ukraine could have a tough road ahead of it as it likely faces a continual relentless barrage of Russian forces. There is the potential for the west/Ukraine to underestimate the new Russian offensive about to open up and for Russia to break through in one or more places. It could well be that we might be underestimating the amount of tanks and other weaponry Ukraine will need to hold them back.

[krimster2]

both sides will run out of ammo before they run out of soldiers...
the side that runs out last is declared the winner - check the rule book!!
the us/israeli stockpile is already in Ukr somewhere with about a half dozen other stockpiles
one side has all the artillery shells europe and north america can scrape together
and the other has Russia/Iran/North Korea...
you're REALLY not sure of the outcome?
LOL!!

[Trenchcoat]

both sides will run out of ammo before they run out of soldiers...
the side that runs out last is declared the winner - check the rule book!!
the us/israeli stockpile is already in Ukr somewhere with about a half dozen other stockpiles
one side has all the artillery shells europe and north america can scrape together
and the other has Russia/Iran/North Korea...
you're REALLY not sure of the outcome?
LOL!!

India & China have remained relatively neutral so far but in future who knows? China might see a vested interest in supplying Russia at a price as it continues to eye Taiwan. Other than that the Russian foreign minister is in Mali at the moment so who knows maybe they have a big secret stash 

In other news it looks like Europe is offloading their old Leopard 1 tanks and sending them to Ukraine. They can send them in larger numbers than the more modern Leopard two tanks as they don't want them and so are a cheaper option. Ukraine still likely to get some Leopard 2 tanks as well but smaller numbers. The Leopard 1's should make up for lost Ukrainian Soviet era tanks. As said earlier though a case of the west offloading some of their old stock onto Ukraine so a cheap expense move there:

http://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/02/07/european-coalition-to-give-refurbished-leopard-1-tanks-to-ukraine/

[Chelseaboy]

Two weeks ago the vatniks were yelling "Bakhmut is only the beginning.Remember the name Vuhledar ! The grave of the Ukrainian Army ! "


Well i've just seen astonishing footage of the result of that Russian orc offensive....31 destroyed orc Tanks and AFV's.


135,010 dead orcs


3,255 destroyed orc Tanks.


6,468 destroyed orc AFV's


All in Ukraine since 24th Feb last year.


Wagner PMC is now no longer recruiting prisoners from Russian prisons...they're running out of money after sanctions against them .

[Chelseaboy]

The orcs are now having to use military equipment from WW2.


Video has emerged of the DPR having to use a WW2 -era 152 mm D-1 towed artillery piece,which is in service with the 1st Army Corps.


I guess the orcs having 2,224 artillery pieces destroyed in Ukraine since Feb 24th last year has a lot to do with that.

[Chelseaboy]

Looks like the start of the orc offensive in eastern Ukraine.isn't going well for them.


As well as the orc massacre at Vuhledar,there is now video of an orc assault in the Marilinka area.
They attacked positions of the 79th Brigade,but after they came under fire from Mortars,automatic grenade launchers and machine guns they retreated..leaving their weapons and wounded behind.


It wasn't an organized retreat either....it was a disorderly drop everything and let's get the fark out of here , running as fast as we can before our underpants start to smell too much, rout.


Reports are that this scenario is happening right across the front-line.

[Chelseaboy]

The orc battle group that got smashed at Vuhledar painted their armoured vehicles,Tanks etc with the name of "Drakula "..probably intending to feast on the blood of Ukrainian people.


There is a video of them cockily waving to a passing car as they were preparing to go into battle.


31 destroyed Tanks etc and 400 dead "Drakula " orcs later they ain't so cocky now...the only blood they feasted on was their own as they choked on it. .

[Chelseaboy]

Vladlen Tatarsky writes that in his area of responsibility Russian mobiks refused to go into battle.Worries him enough to announce it publicly.


"Messages from the front :the mobilised from one region of the Russian Federation ( i don't want to name it ,i'm ashamed for my almost-countrymen ) refuse to go into battle ".

[krimster2]

remember the "Zulu" movie from the 60's?
the one with her majesty's army vrs zulus at Roork's Rift(sp?)
the first wave, is just to test the enemies firepower....
next waves will be to look for "weak spots"
when one is found, that's when the "big tsunami" starts....
right now the crest is off in the distance...building....

4 months until rainy season in Ukraine....
13 months until Russian presidential election

timing is EVERYTHING

[krimster2]

in order to save Ukraine, they had to destroy Ukraine
and then in order to save Russia
they had to destroy Russia as well

Hydra Darknet has been reconstituted as OMG! OMG!
the revolution will be anonymous and encrypted and merged into the underground economy the dark web to the black market...
anonymous networks
are also
autonomous networks

yes, you can use it to sell Delta 8 vape pens to millenials in moscva and clear 100 BTC/month while sitting in another country profiling 'graffitniki" who spray paint your Q-codes all over moscva...
but that's only the beginning...

so what's giving the Russians a major ass-whoopin?
it's a WEIRD BEAST!!!!

it has American eyes and Ukrainian teeth
and a left/right brain 'cross the sea
that knocks the bear on it's ass in one punch

seriously, the accuracy of this stuff is amazing
the Russian probing assaults were all blown to smithereens
and when you look at the aerial photos from after
almost no craters, every round was a direct hit
like they were waiting for them in an ambush
EVERY single time

Russians still got about 2 weeks or so to the "holiday"  le anniversarie + 4 day holiday that would be the IDEAL time to display GREAT Russian victory...
they may do a few more probes, but if they don't find a week spot, cuz Ukraine ALWAYS knows where and when they're gonna attack thanks to America's eyes
then they got a choice...

either attack EVERYWHERE at ONCE with EVERYTHING
or...
dig in for a multi-year trench war
or...
risk escalation with an EMP bomb

we'll know which one in a few more weeks

[Chelseaboy]

A video just been released of more mobiks refusing to fight in Ukraine.


They say they were in Territorial Defence in Kaliningrad,and they were sent to be under the control of the DPR in Ukraine...and then told they were now assault troops.


They received no training to be shock troops,have young and old among them and some are receiving hospital treatment for diseases.


They've had casualties already,no orc Commanders are coming anywhere near the front,and they've now had a gutful .


Sounds like Putler's army is starting to fall apart.

[Trenchcoat]

remember the "Zulu" movie from the 60's?
the one with her majesty's army vrs zulus at Roork's Rift(sp?)
the first wave, is just to test the enemies firepower....
next waves will be to look for "weak spots"
when one is found, that's when the "big tsunami" starts....
right now the crest is off in the distance...building....

4 months until rainy season in Ukraine....
13 months until Russian presidential election

timing is EVERYTHING

The best bit of the 'Zulu' film is the volley fire from the British line. They got it off a treat at Rorke's Drift to such an exceptional standard that it was like a machine gun of constant fire without pause. First line fires, reloads as second line fires, second line fires, reloads as third line fire, then back to first line fully reloaded and firing again.

Piles of dead Zulus stacked up like a mountain as a result.

Rorke's Drift have the British a good defensive position inside a stone wall encampment but of course were surrounded but that would have been the case anyway with a far smaller force.

The defense of Rorke's Drift helped reverse the early military defeat of the British in a much larger battle, as shown in the earlier film, 'Zulu Dawn'. In that battle it is believed that the Zulus were high on drugs so much so that again they would just charge into the enemy gunfire without thought for their lives. Problem was the British were caught out in the open there and so were overwhelmed by the Zulu numbers that kept coming like a wave.

So a parallel there perhaps with present day with Wagner troops possibly been given drugs to charge into enemy gunfire and the big wave of Russian troops.

[Trenchcoat]

A video just been released of more mobiks refusing to fight in Ukraine.


They say they were in Territorial Defence in Kaliningrad,and they were sent to be under the control of the DPR in Ukraine...and then told they were now assault troops.


They received no training to be shock troops,have young and old among them and some are receiving hospital treatment for diseases.


They've had casualties already,no orc Commanders are coming anywhere near the front,and they've now had a gutful .


Sounds like Putler's army is starting to fall apart.

Kaliningrad would be a good territory to revolt. It's cut off from the rest of Russia so would be almost impossible to get troops in to take it back. It's naval forces could be taken over potentially to defend the sea access. Trade wise it's got the whole of Europe to trade with. They could easily say goodbye to Russia and Putler be able to do little about it. Depends on how the troops feel there along with those in command. Could happen anytime successfully or particularly after more large troop number losses. Breaking away from Russia would mean they would be able to cut themselves off from Putler's war.

[2tallbill]

Kaliningrad would be a good territory to revolt. It's cut off from the rest of Russia so would be almost impossible to get troops in to take it back. It's naval forces could be taken over potentially to defend the sea access. Trade wise it's got the whole of Europe to trade with. They could easily say goodbye to Russia and Putler be able to do little about it. Depends on how the troops feel there along with those in command. Could happen anytime successfully or particularly after more large troop number losses. Breaking away from Russia would mean they would be able to cut themselves off from Putler's war.

Everything you said could also be said of Hawaii. Kaliningrad isn't going to revolt any sooner
than Honolulu will.

[Trenchcoat]

Everything you said could also be said of Hawaii. Kaliningrad isn't going to revolt any sooner
than Honolulu will.

You want to bet do you?

Speaking of betting men it's a shame our Mobers isn't here to give his view on the Russian Invasion given his wife is Russian and all. BillyB's opinion would be interesting also I know doubt he would support Ukraine given that his wife is Ukrainian.

[BC]

BillyB's opinion would be interesting also I know doubt he would support Ukraine given that his wife is Ukrainian.

Not necessarily true.  My wife is Russian, and I do not support Russia.

[Boethius]

You want to bet do you?

Speaking of betting men it's a shame our Mobers isn't here to give his view on the Russian Invasion given his wife is Russian and all. BillyB's opinion would be interesting also I know doubt he would support Ukraine given that his wife is Ukrainian.

Moby’s wife is half Russian. I would guess he wouldn’t support Russia.

Billy is MAGA. He views this from the Russian lens.

[Trenchcoat]

Moby’s wife is half Russian. I would guess he wouldn’t support Russia.

Billy is MAGA. He views this from the Russian lens.

I think you're right with Mobers he termed the Belarusian President Lukashouldgo, so I doubt he is for Putler either. Would still be interesting to hear his thoughts on how things have go so far I think.

BillyB surprises me if so, I know he is pro-Trump and so you're likely right that he is also Make America Great Again. I would disagree that leaving Russia to have full reign is the way to do that. I know Billy gets wrapped up in all the political behind the scenes stuff, Biden, his son's activities out there, etc but I see it as more being at stake than all that stuff. I'm fully behind Ukraine although I think they have a tough road ahead.

I understand Russia's motives of seeing former Soviet states drift to the West that they used to feel were compatriots and the power shift there. However, Russia single handedly took it upon themselves to initiate this war on a pretty baseless pretext. Putler being out as an opportunist, aggressive, power grabber who can't be trusted.

[Trenchcoat]

Not necessarily true.  My wife is Russian, and I do not support Russia.

A lot of Russian's don't support the invasion so it's easier to not support Russia. Where they support Russia and the western husband doesn't is where I imagine it could get awkward.

Most Ukrainians support Ukraine so usually less difference likely there as in a Ukrainian girl not supporting Ukraine but the guy does. That Billy's wife is Ukrainian is interesting Billy's position I would be surprised if she doesn't support Ukraine but I wouldn't know. My guess would be that Billy may keep any support of Russia quiet like his lack of vaccine jab from her

[Trenchcoat]

Russia using Thermobarbic missiles in Ukraine:

http://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-2-15-23/h_e3d940bf2463b6054fa8403625a9ead9

Apparently pretty destructive stuff.

[krimster2]

in a gulag for Ukrainian children in the far away Urals...
a messiah gathers his army, and a child shall lead them
      ----
Russian media is prepping to make some big announcement in about a week
      ----
Russian Army Finance Minister fell out of window - death attributed to gravity of situation
      ----
A new apocalyptic cult will appear first in Kyiv and then spread throughout Ukraine and then to the rest of the world it will be centered on Chernobyl and a future messiah to save Ukraine
      ----
it will be learned that China has a huge fleet of advanced drones INSIDE the USA on land it owns used for intelligence gathering and capable of striking infrastructure like gas hubs, etc
      ----
Russia is preparing to launch a massive new ICBM into space as a "warning" in a couple of more weeks
      ----

AND A LOT that I can't talk about...
I'm on edge right now, TIMING is everything

[2tallbill]

You want to bet do you?

It's my opinion only.

[krimster2]

the Stalingrad reenactment society will be performing not far from the original location at the end of next week....  Russia will be playing the role of the Red Army, and Ukrainians the role of the Fascist Army

due to the high cost of staging these reenactments, after the end of May, all future reenactments will be on a much more restricted, scaled back level, and the show's territory scaled back to pre Feb 2022 areas

meanwhile, Russia's political future depends on finding an anti-Putin "liberal" Presidential politician that is acceptable to the FSB and others, and there is NO such person...
although Tulsi Gabbard has volunteered to learn Russian if she doesn't get the American vote, and will give Russia a try