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« Reply #4450 on: May 01, 2016, 03:27:33 AM »


Until someone else steps in to UA it will remain RU's de-facto back yard.


Who’s Afraid of NATO Enlargement?

  Considering history what do you find undue with RU's efforts to maintain control over their remaining strategic assets?

Yeah, call it pathetic and ignorant.. I'll define it as being realistic and understanding that there are two sides of every coin.

Ukraine is an independent country--NOT an asset of Russia. FULL STOP
The NATO enlargement argument is a furphy -- does not stand any test . It is an argument of convenience-basically BS.
Your appalling lack of understanding is pathetic and ignorant.
Basically-- you are saying it is ok for Russia to invade a sovereign country,kill and maim it's citizens,ignore every accepted norm of civilisation etc etc

btw--you post would be more appropriate  in another thread

eg What would a war between Russia vs USA look like
« Last Edit: May 01, 2016, 04:05:34 AM by JayH »
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #4451 on: May 01, 2016, 03:39:52 AM »
Ukraine is an independent country--NOT an asset of Russia. FULL STOP
The NATO enlargement argument is a furphy -- does not stand any test . It is an argument of convenience-basically BS.
Your appalling lack of understanding is pathetic and ignorant.
Basically-- you are saying it is ok for Russia to invade a sovereign country,kill and maim it's citizens,ignore every accepted norm of civilisation etc etc

btw--you post would be more appropriate  in another thread

Ok I get it.. you simply do not like my responses here? I guess you'll just have to get over it.

Was Panama not a sovereign country?  Has the US never sent CIA folks 'elsewhere' to secretly assist and arm warring parties?  Has the US never attempted to depose heads of foreign governments?

I'm not saying all this is right.. but simply to put it all into a somewhat balanced perspective.

Ok so you want me to start a 'More good news for Russia' thread and leave you without a shade of contrast here?  hahahahaha.. now that's funny.

Come back with some substance and I'll listen...  after all this is a discussion board and not a podium.

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« Reply #4452 on: May 01, 2016, 06:34:02 AM »
Errrrr-- No-

You are quoting AkMike post  and aiming at me? perhaps if you look at the time or relevant posts-- and give up the trolling attempts. You can see how ridiculous Muzh looks-- and now you.


with your angry outbursts, you are unable to see what a ridiculous pinata you have created of yourself....


Ok I get it.. you simply do not like my responses here? I guess you'll just have to get over it.

Was Panama not a sovereign country?  Has the US never sent CIA folks 'elsewhere' to secretly assist and arm warring parties?  Has the US never attempted to depose heads of foreign governments?

I'm not saying all this is right.. but simply to put it all into a so


as usual this inconvenient part of history is minimized and/or brushed under the carpet!


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« Reply #4453 on: May 01, 2016, 08:00:07 AM »
Short memory Jay?  Repeating yourself on the same page lol
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17720.msg429494#msg429494

The rest of us also know how to google..

Wow! Are you confused.. JayH didn't post this last one.. Notice it says AkMike NOT JayH..
 I didn't see that it was already shown, my bad.  :wallbash:

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« Reply #4454 on: May 01, 2016, 08:30:11 AM »
Wow! Are you confused.. JayH didn't post this last one.. Notice it says AkMike NOT JayH..
 I didn't see that it was already shown, my bad.  :wallbash:

Yeah I admitted my mistake in a following post here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17720.msg429586#msg429586

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« Reply #4455 on: May 01, 2016, 08:50:26 AM »
Finland will have to assess whether or not membership would be really worth it.  I don't see a 'win win' situation here at all for them and highly doubt Sweden does either.


More Swedes are favoring NATO than are against it and Russia issues out warning.

http://www.newsweek.com/russias-lavrov-warns-sweden-nato-membership-453890

How could RU not consider NATO expansion a form of aggression.. after all who does NATO consider as potential 'enemies' requiring such expansion?  Did this expansion, especially since 1990 come about as a reaction to any aggressive moves by RU?  On the whole it looks more like defensive reaction rather than true aggression.


Some see the glass half full and others see it half empty. There's aggression alright but it's Russia's aggression that pushes countries to want to join NATO. If Russia can show the world they are more stable and friendlier than NATO, they'll have nations wanting to do business with them more often.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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« Reply #4456 on: May 01, 2016, 08:51:22 AM »
Lithuania joined Poland once again in keeping the Russian motorcycle gang, 'Night Wolves' out the same as they did last year. And some were the same ones that did it last year.. What did they think had changed?  :cluebat:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/lithuania-denies-entry-to-pro-putin-bikers-with-soviet-symbols-641555.html

 Lavrov said that the countries of the Baltics ,Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania  and  have shown no "gratitude" to Russia for letting them 'leave in peace' after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Lithuania is said to be the most anti-Kremlin.   

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/lavrov-baltics-show-no-gratitude-for-moscow-letting-them-go/2016/04/29/f12cf072-0de8-11e6-bc53-db634ca94a2a_story.html

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« Reply #4457 on: May 01, 2016, 09:06:16 AM »
Despite the Trilateral agreement for a full ceasefire over Easter there have been another 27 attacks on Ukrainian positions that included the use of the banned 120mm mortars. 1 UA soldier was killed and 7 wounded.

But on a brighter note Russian losses from recon groups totaled 8 KIA's, no mention of wounded terrorists.

In Odesa the expected May 2 riots might be just a touch smaller due to the addition of 1,000 UA National Guard. This should bring a total of 3K to police the scene of the May 2 burning of the Trade Union with pro-Russian's inside.

http://en.censor.net.ua/

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« Reply #4458 on: May 01, 2016, 09:10:54 AM »
The Russian economy is in a bad way, but Elvira Nabiullina has saved it from worse

http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21696946-russian-economy-bad-way-elvira-nabiullina-has-saved-it

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To maintain reserves when the oil price began to fall, Ms Nabiullina accelerated a plan to allow the rouble to float. It fell by 40% against the dollar in 2015 alone. Propping up the rouble would have been popular, since it would have preserved ordinary Russians’ purchasing power, but it would have meant burning through the country’s reserves again. Instead the CBR channelled dollars to sanction-hit banks and energy companies, to help them repay external debt. Reserves have also been used to finance the budget deficit. As oil prices recover, so the CBR is again accumulating reserves, with a view to hitting the $500 billion mark once again.

A good read.  With all the doom and gloom declared upthread there does seem to be a great amount of thought and actions going on in the background that are preventing collapse of the RU economy.  Yes some hardships result but even a modest recovery of oil and gas prices will even the keel.  In the medium to long term their economy might even recover more quickly than one might expect.

Of course there are news sources mainly in UA that will say it's game over, but reputable, more balanced and informed sources show a smart game.

Especially interesting the fact that they intentionally allowed the RUB to float instead of propping it up as they did in the past crisis and also allowing higher interest rates.  During the 2007/08 crisis the US did take steps to prop up the USD and almost 10 years later still debating whether or not the economy can bear higher interest.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/05/09/white-house-leads-effort-to-prop-up-dollar/

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The Bush administration is leading the international effort to put a floor under the falling dollar.

The conventional wisdom holds that the Europeans, worried that the mighty euro is making their companies less competitive, prodded Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other group of seven finance ministers last month into signaling their joint disapproval of the dollar’s plunge. Canada has also been troubled by the strong loonie.

But a senior U.S. Treasury official says that the move actually came at the behest of the American side.

IMHO RU's economy may seem weak at first sight but they obviously have learned a bit from their own past mistakes and those of others.  Sure the numbers may not look good but RU as a whole is quite resilient and able to withstand hardships that others may not be willing to take on.


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« Reply #4459 on: May 01, 2016, 09:13:05 AM »
AKMike

IF you want to post links that are informative and unbiased - re cease fire breaches - suggest you use the OSCE Site..

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports

Whilst I appreciate this cease-fire is within Ukraine - it is clear that it isn't just the 'rebels' who are breaching the cease-fire.

The problem is that every time the situation blows up BIG time - it is Kyiv that loses more men / territory...
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« Reply #4460 on: May 01, 2016, 09:25:21 AM »
More Swedes are favoring NATO than are against it and Russia issues out warning.

http://www.newsweek.com/russias-lavrov-warns-sweden-nato-membership-453890

Some see the glass half full and others see it half empty. There's aggression alright but it's Russia's aggression that pushes countries to want to join NATO. If Russia can show the world they are more stable and friendlier than NATO, they'll have nations wanting to do business with them more often.

It's a numbers game..  If Finland and Sweden decide to join nato RU will build up at the border which of course would require NATO to respond in kind, meaning bringing in outside assets to match.  Could get quite expensive in the end for NATO, the Finns and Swedes..  For RU it's pretty cheap to move things around a bit and add some GPS coordinates into their targeting systems, including nuclear. Really worth it?

Does anyone here really believe RU is going to invade Europe?  If not then learn to accept the new status-quo and move on.


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« Reply #4461 on: May 01, 2016, 09:40:09 AM »
At last more help is coming for Ukraine.What it really needs is for US to stop talking-- and start doing. Multiple every Russian piece of aggression by 2  and call Putin's childish bluffing.Obama has made the attempt to pacify-- and been treated with contempt- now it is time to use the big sticks available.


US prepares to take a resonant bill on Ukraine, which could destroy Russia economically forever


The is more, much more to the Ukrainian story which goes back to the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crises. The Soviet Union was building a missile base 90 miles from the U.S. in response to the U.S. installing medium range Nuclear equipped Jupiter missiles near the Russian border. As part of the agreement to not install missiles in Cuba the U.S. secretly agreed to remove the Jupiter missiles.

Fast forward to the fall of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany, Russia was assured that NATO would not be expanded to the countries bordering Russian.

That promise like so many the U.S. has made was ignored.

Look at the map of NATO countries, it is pretty clear that the intent is to ring Russia with U.S. dominated NATO countries. When Ukraine elected a pro-Russian governemnt the U.S. worked to topple that governemnt http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-aided-a-coup-led-by-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/5371940 (one of many stories), the reasons are nuanced. Gas pipelines, arable farmland, strategic value and the ability to further encircle Russia are a few of the many reasons to topple a pro-Russian governemnt.

The U.S. was deep into the Ukrainian issue and is looking for a way out. The military aid given to Ukraine is garbage, outdated surplus equipment and their economy is in shambles. The current American administration is spineless, our commander and moron is an appeaser who is looking for a way to get out of Ukraine without loosing face.

Lets face it if Russia wanted to overrun Ukraine they could do so in around 10 days, fortunately that is not going to happen. By not so covertly (worst kept secret) Russia is equipping and supplying the breakaway regions. The fight is not yet over at least one more major offensive is coming, there is an old adage Use it or Loose it and there is a lot of men and equipment being massed on both sides.

Who will prevail is never assured a battle plan rarely survives the first shot.

Ukraine the Ukrainian leaders and those nationalists need to get over the loss of Crimea, it is now part of Russia and just like Jerusalem is now the capitol of Israel, Russia will never relinquish it.

The question is are the Ukrainian leaders the nationalists willing to mount an all out invasion and risk a Nuclear response in a failed attempt to get it back? Most would agree that Israel would use thermonuclear weapons in the face of overwhelming odds and or a surprise attack to retake Jerusalem. Why not the local commanders who have been given direct and operational control of their missiles?


 

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« Reply #4462 on: May 01, 2016, 09:59:57 AM »
 It'll be interesting to see if Elvira Nabiullina can manage to pull a rabbit out of her hat this time. Since Russia's economy is a one trick pony depending on oil and gas sales the oil drop that's once again expected surely won't give her any tools to work with.

Bloomburg reports that, BNP, UBS, Commerzbank AG all see a repeat of the price drop of 2015 back down to the $30 per barrel mark. This combined with sanction is going to put a continuing hurt on the Russian economy. If the US bill to apply harder sanction against Russia goes thru it's not going to help either. The EU is expected to continue their sanction also.   Dammit, that's got to hurt the regular civilians at the ground level even more during these stressful times.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/oil-market-deja-vu-triggers-predictions-of-a-return-to-30

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« Reply #4463 on: May 01, 2016, 10:01:59 AM »
Tigerpaws, would you mind changing your print color to black like others do? The blue is hard on my eyes.

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« Reply #4464 on: May 01, 2016, 10:04:52 AM »

Fast forward to the fall of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany, Russia was assured that NATO would not be expanded to the countries bordering Russian.

That promise like so many the U.S. has made was ignored.

That's an often repeated "Old Wives Tale" without any basis. But it sounds good for the masses of vatniks.  Do a serious search and discover the real facts.

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« Reply #4465 on: May 01, 2016, 10:07:57 AM »
It'll be interesting to see if Elvira Nabiullina can manage to pull a rabbit out of her hat this time. Since Russia's economy is a one trick pony depending on oil and gas sales the oil drop that's once again expected surely won't give her any tools to work with.

Bloomburg reports that, BNP, UBS, Commerzbank AG all see a repeat of the price drop of 2015 back down to the $30 per barrel mark. This combined with sanction is going to put a continuing hurt on the Russian economy. If the US bill to apply harder sanction against Russia goes thru it's not going to help either. The EU is expected to continue their sanction also.   Dammit, that's got to hurt the regular civilians at the ground level even more during these stressful times.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/oil-market-deja-vu-triggers-predictions-of-a-return-to-30

France is on the verge of unilaterally ending the sanctions, when not if that happens the embargo is effectively over. Germany desperately wants the sanctions to be lifted, it is only the U.S. that is keeping that from happening.

Frances farmers are being paid over a Billion Euros for their losses because EU regulations will not allow them to sell their excess production because it would suppress prices, so they are being paid to destroy it. Germany and many other EU countries are in the same situation all the while Russia finds other sources of imported goods and improves its domestic production. 

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« Reply #4466 on: May 01, 2016, 10:09:44 AM »
Does anyone here really believe RU is going to invade Europe? 


I don't believe Russia will invade Europe but if I were a leader in Sweden or Finland and thought there would be a 1% chance Russia could get aggressive with my nation, I have a responsibility to make sure that 1% gets rolled back to 0%. I understand why people in Sweden and Finland are getting nervous that they entire existence and way of life could end. In 2013, if you ask Ukrainians if they think Russia is going to invade, most wouldn't believe it would happen. Nobody had any idea what would trigger Russia to invade another nation and that unknown gets people worried. Couple that with Russia's history in the past 100 years with the amount of nations Russia's controlled, anything is possible.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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« Reply #4467 on: May 01, 2016, 10:21:31 AM »
France is on the verge of unilaterally ending the sanctions, when not if that happens the embargo is effectively over. Germany desperately wants the sanctions to be lifted, it is only the U.S. that is keeping that from happening.

Frances farmers are being paid over a Billion Euros for their losses because EU regulations will not allow them to sell their excess production because it would suppress prices, so they are being paid to destroy it. Germany and many other EU countries are in the same situation all the while Russia finds other sources of imported goods and improves its domestic production. 


Russia has bans already in place against foreign food imports. The recently destroyed almost 100 tons of apples from the evil west.

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« Reply #4468 on: May 01, 2016, 10:30:47 AM »
Russia has bans already in place against foreign food imports. The recently destroyed almost 100 tons of apples from the evil west.

Sanctions work both ways and no one wins.

AkMike, sorry that you are discomforted by the blue color, it is more comfortable for me to see.

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« Reply #4469 on: May 01, 2016, 11:11:32 AM »
No problem, Your choice. The regular black works better for me to see. 

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« Reply #4470 on: May 01, 2016, 11:20:14 AM »
No problem, Your choice. The regular black works better for me to see.

At least he's using a normal sized font.. much improvement over his posts years ago IIRC :)

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« Reply #4471 on: May 01, 2016, 11:25:34 AM »
BC is the blue harder for you to see also? Or is it just my eyes?  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #4472 on: May 01, 2016, 11:45:26 AM »
BC is the blue harder for you to see also? Or is it just my eyes?  :rolleyes:
It's terrible.

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« Reply #4473 on: May 01, 2016, 05:23:30 PM »
Look at the map of NATO countries, it is pretty clear that the intent is to ring Russia with U.S. dominated NATO countries. When Ukraine elected a pro-Russian governemnt the U.S. worked to topple that governemnt http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-aided-a-coup-led-by-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/5371940 (one of many stories), the reasons are nuanced. Gas pipelines, arable farmland, strategic value and the ability to further encircle Russia are a few of the many reasons to topple a pro-Russian governemnt.

I would have been more prepared to take this seriously if you had referenced just about any other "coup" story.  This nonsense about neo-Nazis taking over Kyiv has been discredited since the day that it was first published.  There are far more neo-Nazis in Moscow than in the whole of Ukraine.  Besides which, Ukraine had had pro-Russian governments right from when the Soviet Union broke up.  Are you trying to imply that it took the US more than 20 years to actually manage a coup?  Please get real.

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« Reply #4474 on: May 01, 2016, 05:58:15 PM »
France is on the verge of unilaterally ending the sanctions, when not if that happens the embargo is effectively over. Germany desperately wants the sanctions to be lifted, it is only the U.S. that is keeping that from happening.

Frances farmers are being paid over a Billion Euros for their losses because EU regulations will not allow them to sell their excess production because it would suppress prices, so they are being paid to destroy it. Germany and many other EU countries are in the same situation all the while Russia finds other sources of imported goods and improves its domestic production. 


Just curious.  When was the last time you were in Russia?  I lived there last fall.  You act as if the sanctions are having no effect and that Russia shrugs them off without cost.  I have news for you.  Russia has exhausted its petro dollar reserve fund which, before Maidan, was at over 475 billion dollars (at the then current exchange rate).  Russia has gone from 38 Rubles to the Dollar to, at some times, over 80 Rubles to the Dollar.    Russia is using every possible device to keep Russian citizens from going outside of Russia.  Over 6 percent of all Russians now have travel bans, keeping them from leaving the country.   Instead Russia is trying to redirect its citizens to vacation in Russia BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO GO THERE!

You have described a very harsh assessment of Western Europe, while at the same time ignoring that Russia is greatly suffering the double whammy of low oil prices and sanctions.  Use your geopolitical intelligence that I have seen you exhibit quite often.  No one wins in sanctions.  But right now, Russia is losing more than the Western Alliance that chose to sanction Russia for its behavior in Ukraine.
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If you don't know what you are talking about, post away anyway by 2tallbill
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Re: American With Russian Fiancé - Scheduled For K1 Interview In Warsaw, BUT.... by krimster2
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Re: What to do by krimster2
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