Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: cameraguymn on November 29, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
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What kind of budget are we looking at?
I'd like to get a 1 bedroom apartment, eat out 4-5 times per week. Get a gym membership, have internet, cell phone. Uber around 2-3 times per week, take mass transportation. Take a few trips to the Black Sea, Lviv and other natural wonders of Ukraine.
I'd like to take time off from work, refresh and find someone extraordinary so hopefully wine and dine up to 10 people during that time. Maybe one or two trips to Italy, France with someone special. I'm hoping I can be able to do 3-4 months - 6 months if possible. I might make some vlogs about my stay and travels.
I'm making plans for June 2021.
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Figure $1,000 a month if you live frugally and don't travel.
With the restaurant, Uber and travel you mention, plan on at least $12,000 for 3 months.
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Figure $1,000 a month if you live frugally and don't travel.
With the restaurant, Uber and travel you mention, plan on at least $12,000 for 3 months.
WHaaaat ?
4k US a month ? You can live like a king in UA for that ..
The first Q that needs to be addressed is .. Are you talking about living in Kyiv and visiting the Black Sea or living near the Black Sea (say, Odesa) ..they are nearly 500 Km ( c. 300 miles ) apart
Taxi apps like Uber / Uklon abound and the metro is hardly expensive, if you live on the routes.
If you eat out ( frugally ) as you put it .. you can eat out every for every meal for less than 20 bucks a day
I chose O'Briens Irish Bar / Restaurant's menu
http://obriens.kiev.ua/en/menu/#start
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TRAVEL WITH WOMAN
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FRUGAL
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yeah that's a good figure and pretty much my expectations.
With the expertise of this group I thought I'd have some breakdowns or even an excel sheet of expenses and ways to save.
I can't imagine eating out every meal. I'll definitely be bloated.
Ideally I'd be staying in Kiev and taking a trip to the Black Sea and Odessa.
Now let's get those vaccines rolling out!
Figure $1,000 a month if you live frugally and don't travel.
With the restaurant, Uber and travel you mention, plan on at least $12,000 for 3 months.
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Ask ML when he was last in Ukraine..4k is WAY over the top for a frugal chap entertaining one lady and not eating out every night, even taking into accounts trips to Odesa.
If you are buying 'presents', THEN the figure might be more accurate.
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Nothing wrong with what ML posted. Better to go with a high number and not use it all than to budget low and end up not having enough.
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I was in oddsa for a month, now I am elsewhere. My apartment is 400 dollars a month , sushi is around 15 to order a big platter . Restaurants you will spend around 20 to 30 a day . It ain't expensive. But then again, depends on what you want to buy , there is luxury that costs a lot , and luxury that costs a little . I can do well with 1000 total a month to spend .
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Nothing wrong with what ML posted. Better to go with a high number and not use it all than to budget low and end up not having enough.
Same question to you, then when were you last in Ukraine ?
De-luxe 1 bed apartments can be had for westerners for less than $30 / day, in the centre
http://www.allstarkievrealty.com/en/apartment-rent-kiev/Kreschatik-ul-15-code-3870.html
Locals would get it for much less
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Moby,
See below
hopefully wine and dine up to 10 people during that time. Maybe one or two trips to Italy, France with someone special.
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Same question to you, then when were you last in Ukraine ?
Fallacies of Relevance: Appeal to Authority
http://www.thoughtco.com/logical-fallacies-appeal-to-authority-250336
Argument from authority
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
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Do not tell me...
Yet another poster who has been nowhere near the FSU ( Ukraine in particular) has 'advised'?))
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Ask ML when he was last in Ukraine..4k is WAY over the top for a frugal chap entertaining one lady and not eating out every night, even taking into accounts trips to Odesa.
If you are buying 'presents', THEN the figure might be more accurate.
My $12,000 wasn't for 3 months of staying in Kyiv.
He said: Maybe one or two trips to Italy, France with someone special.
He didn't say it would only be one woman . . . up to 10 or so.
If I were to go practically anywhere (outside developing countries) planning to stay for 3 months, entertaining up to 10 women, taking some to Italy or France . . . I would certainly have at least $12,000 on standby.
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Fallacies of Relevance: Appeal to Authority
http://www.thoughtco.com/logical-fallacies-appeal-to-authority-250336 (http://www.thoughtco.com/logical-fallacies-appeal-to-authority-250336)
Argument from authority
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority)
To be fair, I do think having on the ground experience does give one a better idea of cost.
If I were alone in Kyiv, I would stay somewhere downtown. My Kyianin relatives, who live in what is now a "central" desired neighbourhood (about 15 minutes to downtown by tram) say it is unsafe to walk outside at night. This was unheard of, even after the collapse. I assume it's different in the very centre of Kyiv, as there will be more people in the streets.
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To be fair, I do think having on the ground experience does give one a better idea of cost.
If I were alone in Kyiv, I would stay somewhere downtown. My Kyianin relatives, who live in what is now a "central" desired neighbourhood (about 15 minutes to downtown by tram) say it is unsafe to walk outside at night. This was unheard of, even after the collapse. I assume it's different in the very centre of Kyiv, as there will be more people in the streets.
Of course it does. I've been to Ukraine 5 times and spent 28 days in Kiev.
I don't use my trips as a reason to disqualify the comments of others.
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Budget for:
- 50USD/night for accommodation.
- 40USD/day for food and entertainment - this assumes plenty of dates at restaurants, etc.
- 10USD/day for local travel (on average)
Add a buffer for a good time or side trips, then 4000/month is a reasonable budget. One can get by on much less but you'd want to live comfortably.
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Budget for:
- 50USD/night for accommodation.
- 40USD/day for food and entertainment - this assumes plenty of dates at restaurants, etc.
- 10USD/day for local travel (on average)
Add a buffer for a good time or side trips, then 4000/month is a reasonable budget. One can get by on much less but you'd want to live comfortably.
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Did you not see that the OP is asking for a 1 bed place ... I linked a site aimed at westerners with smart accommodation for less than $30 / day in the centre .. Big bath for two 'n all
A local could get this for far less
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$4k a month is a good budget to have. Take more if you have it.
You want to enjoy your time, go out and socialise. You’re not going out to simply survive and get by, by the sounds of it. If you only end up spending half of it, then fair enough. It’s been a while since I was in Ukraine but it’s fair to say that dating & travelling costs money. It might be reasonably cheap but it’s a continuous spend.
I also seem to remember that the prices in Ukraine were either really cheap or quite expensive, if you went to the good places. Oysters & french wine at a nice restaurant won’t come cheap. Pub fare and walking everywhere will be decent value.
If I go somewhere I tend to explore and try stuff out, again that costs money. If you just want a 1 bedroom apartment and cook pasta at home every night then of course it’ll be cheap. It depends on who you are and what you want from your trip.
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Did you not see that the OP is asking for a 1 bed place ... I linked a site aimed at westerners with smart accommodation for less than $30 / day in the centre .. Big bath for two 'n all
A local could get this for far less
Once again you are nit picking and ignoring the entirety of the OP's question.
A local could get it for less? Do they go on vacations entertaining large groups
and while on vacation make romantic side trips to France and Italy? No they
don't so your argument is irrelevant. Nobody over the age of 25 goes on trips
abroad with the plan of couch surfing and fighting retirees over every kopeck.
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Budget for:
- 50USD/night for accommodation.
- 40USD/day for food and entertainment - this assumes plenty of dates at restaurants, etc.
- 10USD/day for local travel (on average)
Add a buffer for a good time or side trips, then 4000/month is a reasonable budget. One can get by on much less but you'd want to live comfortably.
$50 usd is way to much unless you are talking about hotel. That $1500 a month.
To rent an apt on monthly basis is fairly inexpensive and to rent for 3 months you can get a very good deal.
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$50 usd is way to much unless you are talking about hotel. That $1500 a month.
To rent an apt on monthly basis is fairly inexpensive and to rent for 3 months you can get a very good deal.
True, i stay in Airbnb apartments.
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I would certainly have at least $12,000 on standby
Yep, my knee jerk reaction was 12-15. Probably spend much less, but that's an on the ground thing...
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Yep, my knee jerk reaction was 12-15. Probably spend much less, but that's an on the ground thing...
It's always a good plan to have a nice reserve in case something happens,
a quarantine, a slip and fall, breaking a leg, you could fall in love and decide
to visit the Babushka and Dedushka in Siberia to get their blessings. You can
decide that you really, really want to see what she looks like in a bikini frolicking
on the beach in _______________ (name of place with beach here).
Having a generous reserve makes sleep happen faster when your head hits
the pillow.
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I would check out an Apt for a couple days before going long term with it.
Can always use Simon's route to Paris to save a bit.
Your gal might like the Lambo ride.
http://youtube.com/watch/?v=KH96Onl4wbA
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I will change the parameters slightly.
An acceptable/decent 1 bedroom apartment in either Podil or Pechersk will cost from $800 to 2,000.- for a six month rental.
Assuming you can figure out making coffee and breakfast you will need about $20 to $40.- a day to eat. You can do this for less but one needs to understand the markets and grocery stores. Grocery stores are quite close to Western models.
With a bit of common sense and luck you can find a dedicated driver/taxi driver. Plan on about $30 for a quick round trip to the other bank. Using the Metro and Underground is not that difficult and you can save funds there .
Eating out can be from $10 to over $40 per person depending on location and level of where you eat.
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Eat at Puzata-Khata. Costs next to nothing.
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I chose O'Briens Irish Bar / Restaurant's menu
I haven't eaten there in a hundred years but they make the most
mediocre food that I've eaten in the country of Ukraine. It's an expat
place, so you might find fellow English speakers but the food is crap
which is par for the course for Irish food in general but the beer is
fine (which you would find in Ireland as well).
I highly recommend the "when in Rome philosophy" and to eat
what the natives eat as much as possible. I also highly recommend
not eating Irish food unless absolutely necessary.
In the FSU they don't know how to cook beef, especially steak. I
usually bought some ham or bacon for breakfast and sandwiches
several jugs of juice, several gallons of bottled water, eggs, cheese
potatoes and a few spices, milk, mayonnaise, butter and bread.
I always buy a real knife (or two). None of the apartments that I've
ever rented had a knife that you can chop or cut with.
I can cook a vast array of foods from basic ingredients and I would
frequently do that to the delight of many FSU ladies that I entertained.
I usually kept had a bottle or two of sweet champagne around and one
of those two liter bottles of beer.
If you are spending a lot of time in the FSU I would recommend buying
yourself a few towels and a set of sheets for your bed. The apartments
that I rented always had crap. I also buy a non stick pan, otherwise you
will be scraping the pan after every meal.
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If you are spending a lot of time in the FSU I would recommend buying
yourself a few towels and a set of sheets for your bed. The apartments
that I rented always had crap. I also buy a non stick pan, otherwise you
will be scraping the pan after every meal.
Also quite interesting was the bottom sheet for the bed.
They rarely were full enough to tuck under the mattresses.
So just a sheet lying on top of mattress that looked like it had been in a wrestling match in the morning . . . even after one person slept alone there.
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The above are valid points and good suggestions. Unfortunately there is no Bed Bath & Beyond in Kyiv.
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What kind of budget are we looking at?
I'd like to get a 1 bedroom apartment, eat out 4-5 times per week. Get a gym membership, have internet, cell phone. Uber around 2-3 times per week, take mass transportation. Take a few trips to the Black Sea, Lviv, and other natural wonders of Ukraine.
I'd like to take time off from work, refresh and find someone extraordinary so hopefully wine and dine up to 10 people during that time. Maybe one or two trips to Italy, France with someone special. I'm hoping I can be able to do 3-4 months - 6 months if possible. I might make some vlogs about my stay and travels.
I'm making plans for June 2021.
If you would like some information on Lviv I live here, I can help you.
You do not need $4000 a month in this country. Unless you want to take a crap on a solid gold toilet. But you might be that kind of baller.
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If you would like some information on Lviv I live here, I can help you.
You do not need $4000 a month in this country. Unless you want to take a crap on a solid gold toilet. But you might be that kind of baller.
But read again.
He didn't say he was going to come and stay only in Ukraine during this trip.
Match up his plan with your numbers; not only living in Ukraine with your numbers.
And even if he were going to live only in Ukraine for a month or so, he wouldn't have your live in gal or wife to be helping him with food, etc., and he wouldn't be obtaining long term rental prices, etc.
Too often here, those with long term living experiences try to sugar coat what will actually be encountered by short term inexperienced visitors.
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But read again.
He didn't say he was going to come and stay only in Ukraine during this trip.
Match up his plan with your numbers; not only living in Ukraine with your numbers.
And even if he were going to live only in Ukraine for a month or so, he wouldn't have your live-in gal or wife to be helping him with food, etc., and he wouldn't be obtaining long term rental prices, etc.
Too often here, those with long term living experiences try to sugar coat what will be encountered by short term inexperienced visitors.
I don’t have a woman here. I didn’t come to Ukraine Because of a woman. I came to Lviv because it’s a beautiful city in a country I have enjoyed visiting multiple times and decided to stay permanently. 😊
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I don’t have a woman here. I didn’t come to Ukraine Because of a woman. I came to Lviv because it’s a beautiful city in a country I have enjoyed visiting multiple times and decided to stay permanently. 😊
OK, thanks for clarification and update.
I hope you remain happy there.
I never got around to visiting in Lviv, but I hope to go there with my UW wife some time after this Covid mess is done.
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OK, thanks for clarification and update.
I hope you remain happy there.
I never got around to visiting in Lviv, but I hope to go there with my UW wife some time after this Covid mess is done.
If you love old beautiful architecture you will like Lviv. It's a great city to just walk and enjoy the view. 😊
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If you love old beautiful architecture you will like Lviv. It's a great city to just walk and enjoy the view. 😊
I loved it :) While it's nice to see some of the old buildings renovated to be honest I most enjoy those ones a bit off the city centre that are left unrenovated, they just look so rustic and full of charm just like that, kind of medieval feeling can almost feel yourself back in a different time period.
All of the eating out places in the city centre are great, load of them themed with a story of intrigue. All done in the last ten years or so for tourism to bring jobs to the city. Not saying they are based totally on bs but I think they are playing on the historical goings on of the place as much as possible.
In summer the surrounding hills give me the feel of a kind of LA sort of atmosphere also. It's a very enjoyable place to spend time. My only hang up is that after spending a couple of weeks there it can feel a bit like a tourist trap like many other touristy areas in that it can suffer from being too touristy. After a while you notice the same goings on repeating themselves, the same tours repeating over, same tourist haunts, people photographing around the touristy statues, buying in gift shops, etc, etc. That can all take away from it all a bit as it can end up feeling a bit like being in a film set. It's great they've created employment for people but I would kind of prefer somewhere of that era architecture but a bit less touristy if I was going to live there long term I think.
On the horizon as you've probably seen are the concrete tower blocks where most of the residents live. So the place didn't escape the Soviet era of construction completely.
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If you love old beautiful architecture you will like Lviv. It's a great city to just walk and enjoy the view. 😊
I absolutely agree with this. By far, my favorite city in Ukraine....