Some women were seriously insulted when I offered $100 and said they're not that kind of woman. They became that kind of woman when I offered $500.
It is said we all have a price to do most anything.
Probably true.
Sounds like Indecent Proposal
BillyB.
Come on now, tell us you wouldn't wear your wife's heel heels real sweet like for Mr.Redford if he offered you a mil.
So the line is somewhere between $50, and $50 million ,
Where it's at doesn't change the principle does it? Lol
:)
Don't make a habit of doing tests and relying on these tests to get info. They can help but they also can hurt.
I've never tested a woman before I visited her although I'm recommending it to you. I feel if a woman isn't in a relationship with me, she's free to do what she wants. I also feel through enormous amounts of letters and phone calls, I can read a woman well. Gold diggers, scammers, green card girls, hookers, rude, stupid, and lazy women talk differently than sincere family and goal oriented women.
I have tested a few women I was deep into a serious relationship with to make sure they are exclusive to me. I don't want to waste time on a long distance relationship if the ladies are going to keep fukcing around. If they said they were in a serious relationship to the other profile, I trusted the women and took care of them well.
I also did some tests for the fun of it and posted results on this forum. I wrote a bunch of ladies from a major FSU city saying I was arriving soon and looking to help a lady finacially. Not Moscow where there was tons of money and people aren't desperate but not dumpskville either where girls could be very desperate. I wrote to ladies under 30 and I learned around 5% of the women would sell their bodies for money. Most women ignored my message.
Some ladies have in their profile they're looking for a sponsor but after looking at my photo, they told me they are looking for a serious relationship. I engaged in talk about how they see their future, how many kids they want, they goals, etc....
Some ladies have in their profile they're looking for marriage but was willing to accept money and a quick fling with me. I guess they figure to make some money and have fun before getting into marriage.
Some ladies wanted both money and a relationship but I told them they could have one or the other but not both. Some chose money, others chose me.
Ladies would ask what they had to do to receive financial help from me. I would tell them sex. If agreement was made, negotiations came next. $100 for an hour usually sealed the deal but I sometimes started low at $50. Some accepted but most do not. Some women were seriously insulted when I offered $100 and said they're not that kind of woman. They became that kind of woman when I offered $500. So if you do the test and the lady you want to visit says she's not that kind of woman to sleep with men for money, she may become that kind of women if you offer 500 Euros for one hour of her time
I also removed my age off my profile. Out of dozens that wrote me back saying they want a serious relationship, only a couple asked for my age. Another reason I believe the age differences between people matter less over there.
There's a lot of interesting data I gathered out of this but can't remember it all.
I'm not into commercial sex but I wanted to get an insight on how girls over there think. Although only a few women are materialistic in a bad way, they are more aggressive and understand how to catch men better than the sincere girls that you want to marry. Your chances go up in getting involved with an insincere women. Also consider a good girl is available for one man. A bad girl is available for a thousand men. It's harder to become the one man for a good girl than it is to become one of the thousands of men for a bad girl.
I never needed to do so, to sort out a good person.
I never needed to do so , to sort out a good person.
All you have to do is to pay attention and the sketchy girls andExactly.
the good girls quickly separate and show which club they belong
to soon enough.
I never needed to do so , to sort out a good person.
We are constantly evaluating people when we date them to see how they act in various situations.
all humans are making evaulations /judgements about others in seconds when we meet and when we interact any good person who is well grounded should be capable to sort the wheat from the chaff
SX
Billy, I have no issues with your testing methods. I used some of them myself. After the initial testing question and answer exercise back and forth, I decided to make the trip with WMVM. I had already broken up with a fiance' that was into playing games and did not want to go through that again.
When on the trip I decided to just be myself. Nothing FAKE! What you see is what you get. :)
My trip report is well chronicled in the trip reports. I had several dates lined up in Kiev and others in other cities. One gal claimed to be a chemical engineer and the truth was she was selling cosmetics. :) She insisted on going to a Sushi bar for dinner. It might have cost me $50 for the night and I was not interested in taking her to bed. Quick/cheap interview1
My (now) wife took an interest in recovering my lost luggage from Air Chance. In fact she drove to the airport and raised hell until it was found and delivered. (Also in the trip report). It made an impression on me. Someone that cared and had enough interest in me to put forth the time and effort to solve one of my problems.
The other women I dated on that trip hardly made a dent in my feelings. I thought I might have found a winner. All said and done, I think I did. We have been married for over 4 years. She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice and sometimes arguing over stupid things that don't deserve an argument. It seems so normal for a family relationship. I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it. Although she is 30 years younger, she does not follow the feminist agenda. She values an intact family and for that reason I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves. :)
The one characteristic that seems abnormal about her is that whatever happens the day before, she wakes up in the morning with a smile and says "I love you so much". She is also not an uneducated 'village girl'. She has double master degrees in business and agronomics. By current American standards, she is a slave to an unreasonable master. :) F*ck the political progressives. We have a relationship that works for both of us!
The fact that she is always in a happy mood makes her an 'idiot' in Soviet cultures. He mom which is a retired University Professor is also normally happy in spite of her age and health conditions. Maybe it is genetic. Don't know, but I like it.
Update--- Her (our) daughter entered the 3rd grade this year and is doing great. She has been 100% literate in English from almost the beginning. Mom and daughter have been speaking in Russian at home and in English to me. I have encouraged Lisa to speak English with her mom at home in order to accelerate Larissa's conversational English. It's been sort of comical to overhear Lisa tell her mom "English" when they are talking.
I feel like the luckiest guy in the world to have found a compatible Ukrainian wife and daughter with only two tries.
My advice to men is this....."Be yourself! Don't need to wear suits to impress if you are not comfortable in them. Just be your HONEST, TRUE, personality. Anything else is FAKE and your prospective mate will figure you out over time and may not trust you. Of course you need to hold her to the same standards.
If the moon is right and the stars align, you may well find a wife that is as wonderful as the one I found!
Toady's Crisis..............
Got a call at work from Larissa. Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk). Blood gushing out of her toe. Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad. After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening. She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles).
When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain. She dressed the wound before I got home and was not in a good mood. She indicated it was a manufacturer defect and expected me to do something about it. I asked her to bring me the object that cut her toe and blew off her toenail. It was the shaft of the Fuller Roto Sweeper that I bought for her after watching a TV ad.
After examining the shaft, I discovered that there is no locking mechanism to hold it attached to the sweeper. When she was running it back and forth to pick up litter on the kitchen floor (from the cats) the handle came out of the sweeper and the forward stroke caused the shaft of the handle to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone.
My engineering analysis of the end of the shaft indicated that it was similar to a mechanical punch. It was beveled from the obvious method of cutting off the handles from a long tube.l Clearly this is a design/manufacturing defect. Tomorrow I will call a Person Injury Lawyer for the first time in my life. The end of the shaft (handle) is extremely sharp and would be perfect to cut out holes in gaskets that size.
Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution. Tomorrow, I expect to take her to the clinic (she has no insurance, thanks to Obamacare) and will get her a toe X-Ray to see if it is broken. This product has no way to secure the laser sharp handle into the sweeper. We will see if an attorney can at least pay for her medical bills. Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health.
You think life is easy with a FSUW, or any wife for that matter? Our waterbed sprung a leak two day ago. We finally found the leak at a seam that is very difficult to repair. After 2 days of experimenting, I think I found a solution. We will know tomorrow night. 3 nights sleeping on the couch is getting old already!
I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth. I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem.
You might all think that by marrying a wonderful FSU woman that life is going to be easy. Maybe not! It might be like normal life with any spouse and child.
The more reason to think about the responsibilities you are going to assume once you take the fatal step!
Don't make a habit of doing tests and relying on these tests to get info. They can help but they also can hurt.
So test in some entrapment style, if you feel some need to,but be aware you'll likely come across a bit insecure to most women,not as some savy sleuth.(regardless what the highlight reel in your own head shows)
So as billy stated, I'd be pretty careful about if,or when you did so.
Billy, I have no issues with your testing methods. I used some of them myself. After the initial testing question and answer exercise back and forth, I decided to make the trip with WMVM. I had already broken up with a fiance' that was into playing games and did not want to go through that again.
When on the trip I decided to just be myself. Nothing FAKE! What you see is what you get. :)
My trip report is well chronicled in the trip reports. I had several dates lined up in Kiev and others in other cities. One gal claimed to be a chemical engineer and the truth was she was selling cosmetics. :) She insisted on going to a Sushi bar for dinner. It might have cost me $50 for the night and I was not interested in taking her to bed. Quick/cheap interview1
My (now) wife took an interest in recovering my lost luggage from Air Chance. In fact she drove to the airport and raised hell until it was found and delivered. (Also in the trip report). It made an impression on me. Someone that cared and had enough interest in me to put forth the time and effort to solve one of my problems.
The other women I dated on that trip hardly made a dent in my feelings. I thought I might have found a winner. All said and done, I think I did. We have been married for over 4 years. She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice and sometimes arguing over stupid things that don't deserve an argument. It seems so normal for a family relationship. I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it. Although she is 30 years younger, she does not follow the feminist agenda. She values an intact family and for that reason I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves. :)
The one characteristic that seems abnormal about her is that whatever happens the day before, she wakes up in the morning with a smile and says "I love you so much". She is also not an uneducated 'village girl'. She has double master degrees in business and agronomics. By current American standards, she is a slave to an unreasonable master. :) F*ck the political progressives. We have a relationship that works for both of us!
The fact that she is always in a happy mood makes her an 'idiot' in Soviet cultures. He mom which is a retired University Professor is also normally happy in spite of her age and health conditions. Maybe it is genetic. Don't know, but I like it.
Update--- Her (our) daughter entered the 3rd grade this year and is doing great. She has been 100% literate in English from almost the beginning. Mom and daughter have been speaking in Russian at home and in English to me. I have encouraged Lisa to speak English with her mom at home in order to accelerate Larissa's conversational English. It's been sort of comical to overhear Lisa tell her mom "English" when they are talking.
I feel like the luckiest guy in the world to have found a compatible Ukrainian wife and daughter with only two tries.
My advice to men is this....."Be yourself! Don't need to wear suits to impress if you are not comfortable in them. Just be your HONEST, TRUE, personality. Anything else is FAKE and your prospective mate will figure you out over time and may not trust you. Of course you need to hold her to the same standards.
If the moon is right and the stars align, you may well find a wife that is as wonderful as the one I found!
Toady's Crisis..............
Got a call at work from Larissa. Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk). Blood gushing out of her toe. Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad. After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening. She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles).
When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain. She dressed the wound before I got home and was not in a good mood. She indicated it was a manufacturer defect and expected me to do something about it. I asked her to bring me the object that cut her toe and blew off her toenail. It was the shaft of the Fuller Roto Sweeper that I bought for her after watching a TV ad.
After examining the shaft, I discovered that there is no locking mechanism to hold it attached to the sweeper. When she was running it back and forth to pick up litter on the kitchen floor (from the cats) the handle came out of the sweeper and the forward stroke caused the shaft of the handle to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone.
My engineering analysis of the end of the shaft indicated that it was similar to a mechanical punch. It was beveled from the obvious method of cutting off the handles from a long tube.l Clearly this is a design/manufacturing defect. Tomorrow I will call a Person Injury Lawyer for the first time in my life. The end of the shaft (handle) is extremely sharp and would be perfect to cut out holes in gaskets that size.
Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution. Tomorrow, I expect to take her to the clinic (she has no insurance, thanks to Obamacare) and will get her a toe X-Ray to see if it is broken. This product has no way to secure the laser sharp handle into the sweeper. We will see if an attorney can at least pay for her medical bills. Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health.
You think life is easy with a FSUW, or any wife for that matter? Our waterbed sprung a leak two day ago. We finally found the leak at a seam that is very difficult to repair. After 2 days of experimenting, I think I found a solution. We will know tomorrow night. 3 nights sleeping on the couch is getting old already!
I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth. I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem.
You might all think that by marrying a wonderful FSU woman that life is going to be easy. Maybe not! It might be like normal life with any spouse and child.
The more reason to think about the responsibilities you are going to assume once you take the fatal step!
I agree with Pitbull about Calmissile. I read his post yesterday I believe, and I was totally shocked at how, cold, callous and uncaring he seemed about his Ukrainian Wife. It sounds like he doesn't even really love her.
First of all, why did a 46 year-old Ukrainian woman (who by the way, looks GREAT in a bikini - he has posted pics of his Wife and her beautiful little approx 8 year-old blonde little girl. His Wife looks more attractive than 99% of 46 year-old women in a bikini.) decide to marry a 76 year-old US man?? :( The only thing I can come up with is she was extremely desperate to get out of the poverty she endured in Ukraine, and was probably even willing to marry a man 40 years older than her to get out of Ukraine. I guess some women in Ukraine are so desperate to get out of Ukraine....that they are, incredibly, willing to marry a very bitter, angry old American Man who is mad at the world, that is 30 years their senior?? I never knew there were these type of women in Ukraine until Cal showed up. In fact, I never even knew he was 30 years-older than his Wife until I read this post!!
""She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice"" What kind of a man "Yells" at a woman? My Mom and Dad have been married 47 years. During that time, I have never once, not even one time, seen my Father raise his voice to my Mother. Not one time. Sure, every once in awhile he gets a tiny bit frustrated with her and puts his head down, eyes at the floor, sometimes and shakes his head a tiny bit - I guess that is how he vents his frustration....IMO that is a much healthier outlet for his frustration than him yelling at my Mom!! I am 39. Not one time in my life, NOT ONE TIME, have I ever raised my voice to a woman. I literally have never yelled at a woman before. If I am frustrated or upset with my GF, I simply take my car keys, kiss her on the cheek, hug her, tell her I love her, tell her I am going for a drive, and I head up to the gym for a couple of hours and pound the weights with ferocity, then jump on the treadmill for 60 minutes, until I am completely exhausted. When I get home from pounding the weights and tearing the treadmill up, I am so sweaty, tired and worn-out, I do not even have the energy to be upset with my GF any more. So the first thing I do is I walk up to her, put my arms around her, whisper in her ears "I love You" then I proceed to kiss her. That calms us both down and after that, all the girls I have ever dated have never even really had the heart to be upset with me anymore. They simply hug me back, giggle, tell me "You crazy, insane man" look me in the eyes, smile and say "I love you too" then plant a sweet kiss on me. I am not cool at all with Calmissile's very cavalier attitude about yelling at his Wife any time he feels like it.
""It seems so normal for a family relationship."" No Cal, it is NOT normal for the Husband to yell at his Wife. That is NOT the normal dynamics within a healthy, happy family.
""I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it. I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves."" Wow Cal, you come across as a total fucking asshole!! I mean really a complete fucking asshole!! Grow up dude and pull that bur out of your ass.
""Got a call at work from Larissa. Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk). Blood gushing out of her toe. Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad. After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening."" Umm, if there is a language barrier Cal, how could you conclude with 100% certainty that it was NOT life threatening?? :( And since you were not there to see the injury for yourself, likewise, how could you conclude it was not life-threatening?? :(
""She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles)."" Ok, so she has a "Habit" of exaggerating things. That does not mean she exaggerates 100% of the time. What if this time, she was not exaggerating, but in fact there was some very real damage done to a tendon, ligament, or some other soft tissue structure within her toe?? You have the "magical" ability to definitively conclude (without even seeing her injury), with 100% accuracy, that this time she was exaggerating?? (Face in hands) You cared so little about her that it was too much effort to make a 30 mile drive home from work, that very second, to check on the woman you married and supposedly love?? (Face in Hands.)
""When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain."" Umm....umm... yeah Cal, sounds like she was not exaggerating this time. :(
"" to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone."" But yeah Cal, let's not rush her up to the Urgent Care clinic immediately ( I realize you do not have insurance on her so an urgent care clinic is obviously much less cost-prohibitive ) but instead let's "sleep on it", and wake up the next day and take her to the hospital the next day. :(
""Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution."" Wow, incredibly caring attitude to have about a woman who just nearly had her toe amputated. :( Someone needs to give you a good ass-kicking Cal.
""Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health."" Wow, I feel bad you were so terribly inconvenienced. I am so sorry for you Cal.
""I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth. I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem."" Yeah, that is what happens Cal when you make the really terrible decision of not having dental insurance on your Ukrainian Wife.
I am pretty disgusted that no other members of RWD but Pitbull and myself spoke up and voiced our disapproval of Cal's behavior. At my main internet bodybuilding board, 99% of the men there love their wives / GF's to death, and a post like Cals would absolutely be met with condemnation from nearly every member. But here on RWD, all the vets are patting Cal on the back, saying things like .....ML " Doug, WOW thanks for sharing this interesting story.""....or Jone ""Geeze Doug.
Sometimes you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don't sleep on the couch. If you have problems with the waterbed, get a new one. Life is too short. And you're making plenty of money that you can afford it. ""
Or SouthernX's comment giving good ole' Doug a jolly old pat on the back.
I am sorry, but there is a reason only a handful of guys post on RWD. The lurkers who lurk as guests are invariable pretty disgusted with the behavior and attitudes of the majority of the vets here on RWD. Boorish behavior like this would never, ever be tolerated on my bodybuilding message board....there are too many outstanding Husbands and BF's on my bodybuilding board and we are too extremely protective of women there to tolerate the kind of behavior that is allowed and even condoned and championed here on RWD.
I am just shaking my head in disgust. This is not how I was raised to treat a woman. My Dad and Mom raised me to treat women much better than this. My friends all treat women much better than this. Probably why I feel no real compelling reason to ever post on RWD. Just read, but really no reason for me to ever post.
If you are fine with a woman creating fake profiles to test you, then two birds of a feather is no problem.
Personally I would have an issue with a woman that did so.
Of course you did.No, women arnt generally interested in off road motorcycles.
But you just did it by sending a naked pic of your equipment.
Or SouthernX's comment giving good ole' Doug a jolly old pat on the back.
doug your story has likeneses to my wifes reaction to such events
when things go wrong i always get a call and am expected to ''fix it ''imediately , thats what hubbies do ;)
its good to highlight the normal side to life , not just the good stuff
i would buy a new bed asap if i where you , couch is no place to sleep , unless your a cat or dog & even then in our place they get short shrift out the door ;D
SX
In international dating, I would have no problem with a FSU woman testing me. I remember a few FSU women here saying they did that to their man. I never thought less of them for doing so. International dating isn't like dating at home where you can date every few days and wait months or years before deciding on marriage. There's plenty of time to naturally evaluate the person you're dating. There's less time and less dates to evaluate a person in international dating before we need to make a decision. These women are ready to change their whole lives and leave everything behind for a man. A lot of these men are losers or cheaters who masked their defects in the few dates they had with a lady in the FSU. If the guy still had a profile up after proposing marriage to a woman, I think it would be wise for a woman to test her man before dedicating her life to him. If he passes the test, she'll love him even more. That is a benefit coming from testing. Of course some guys never learn to trust, even after dozens of tests. Also why would a woman still have her profile up after she accepts a marriage proposal? No profile means there can be no test.
I agree with Pitbull about Calmissile. I read his post yesterday I believe, and I was totally shocked at how, cold, callous and uncaring he seemed about his Ukrainian Wife. It sounds like he doesn't even really love her.
Wow I feel bad for your wife. No health insurance? Have you at least bought her a car? (Doesn't sound like you did or she would have driven herself to the ER or at least a Minute clinic). Putting up with a grumpy old man 30 years her senior without basic needs taken care of - what was she running from?
pitbull/TMD~
I am surprised you're both surprised (LMAO) of such revelation from a gathering of men (erm) advocating 101 ways and/or stages in how to *test/play [mind] games* with foreign women to judge their sincerity. Women, btw, whom they profess to be favorably *different* compared to those that rejected them at home to begin with.
It's the MOB folks!
~ her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone~ What a visual!
Obamacare made Health insurance super expensive for the self employed. Many people
now just pay for whatever their expenses are because the insurance is affordable.
None of you know Doug or his wife and it's best to focus on your argument and not his
wife.
That's my two kopecks,
Bill
pitbull/TMD~
I am surprised you're both surprised (LMAO) of such revelation from a gathering of men (erm) advocating 101 ways and/or stages in how to *test/play [mind] games* with foreign women to judge their sincerity. Women, btw, whom they profess to be favorably *different* compared to those that rejected them at home to begin with.
It's the MOB folks!
~ her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone~ What a visual!
Wow I feel bad for your wife. No health insurance? Have you at least bought her a car? (Doesn't sound like you did or she would have driven herself to the ER or at least a Minute clinic). Putting up with a grumpy old man 30 years her senior without basic needs taken care of - what was she running from?
Yeah right. If they are too poor they would have received a subsidy. Not being able to afford even a basic plan for one person - I just do not believe it. Just an old irresponsible cheapskate who prefers to endanger his wife and his whole family's well-being.
Like he's going to pay out of pocket if (heaven forbid) something serious happens to her.
I bet he himself has health insurance!
Others may be no different than him, but are less honest.
Yeah right. If they are too poor they would have received a subsidy. Not being able to afford even a basic plan for one person - I just do not believe it. Just an old irresponsible cheapskate who prefers to endanger his wife and his whole family's well-being.
Like he's going to pay out of pocket if (heaven forbid) something serious happens to her.
I bet he himself has health insurance!
Pitbull, you know that you are one of my favourite people on here, and calmissile probably isn't because he's far too Republican for my tastes :o, but I think you're out of line on this one. Considering the cost of health insurance, which EVERY American guy on this forum bitches about ALL the time, I would think it quite possible that calmissile prefers to pay for everything himself. At his age it's quite likely that he can't even GET health insurance or, if he can, that the premiums far exceed his reasonable expected medical expenses, or that the coverage would be extremely limited. If he has enough money in the bank, and the confidence that his health is OK, then that's his prerogative. Unlike Bee Farmer, I don't necessarily think that the colour of his skin indicates that a heart attack is imminent. If he feels that he can provide for his wife and daughter as well, without buying separate policies for them, why shouldn't he? I certainly read his story differently from the way you've understood it.
She rang him to tell him what happened. Sure, it turned out to be more serious than he expected, but it was nowhere near life threatening. I'm sure that Larisa was quite capable of ringing for an ambulance if she felt that it was that serious. As for driving a car to the clinic - have YOU ever tried driving with a foot in that condition? I know damned well that I wouldn't even consider it!
As for being a "cheapskate" who would "endanger his wife" - no. Anyone who has read his whole story would never consider that for a second. There's an underlying irony to the way he wrote it which you seem to have completely missed.
Hey now pitbull!
I have embarked in self improvement!
I haven't been stupid enough to remove my toenail by a door in the last 7 years!
I am pretty sure he has Medicare.
And no, he does not have enough cash to pay for her if something serious or even semi-serious happens, if he doesn't have the money to buy her basic insurance.
This is very irresponsible
Your about as dumb as a post! First to attack my wife and her choices is against the forum rules. Of course you make up your own rules. First of all she had insurance prior to leaving for 2 months to Ukraine. She will have a gold plan as soon as we figure out how the enrolling mess. We have never needed to use insurance. It is much easier and faster to just pay cash and be out out there. I agree that she should be covered for catastrophic circumstances and that is what we are doing. Second, it is none of your business!Quit bragging about how you mistreat your wife because you can and she puts up with it and you won't get my attention.
Comparing yourself or your standards to my wife is crazy. She is at least 10 X the woman you are. You are just an old bag trolling for effect. Who cares what you think (other than the other troll on here). Based on your posts, I would guess that she is much better educated than you and certainly has a much better personality.
You might fool or influence a few members that have never met us in person, but a number of members have had private Skype video conference chats and I doubt any one of them would agree with your characterizations of either of us.
As to whether I ever bought her a car? What a stupid question! If you spent as much time reading my trip reports and updates as you do trolling, you would have already read the story about her getting her drivers license and her car(s). We just sold her Mercedes 560SL because she wanted a soccer-mom van. She got what she wanted.
Now please go back to your miserable life and put me on ignore.
..And I never compared myself to your wife,
Would never occur to me. We are just way too different. I would never find myself in her situation
Tomorrow, I expect to take her to the clinic (she has no insurance, thanks to Obamacare) and will get her a toe X-Ray to see if it is broken.You should get her health insurance. It is the law, which apparently you are breaking and blaming Obamacare is a just an excuse. Why would you skip over health insurance, one of the few things that is pretty much a must? You are in your mid 70's, and definitely have a reduced life/time span, I wouldn't worry about 'what is cheaper' as it pertains to your wife's health.
My main point was that is how many women will feel about a man creating a fake profile to test them.
Those of you who criticize Doug are misguided.
He has and will continue to do the utmost to give his wife and daughter the very best of everything.
I know he would spend his last dime and sell his kidneys to take care of both of them.
Perhaps he is a little too honest in telling that he might yell, but he has always been very honest in all that he writes here.
Others may be no different than him, but are less honest.
...That's basically what this boils down to.
Everyone will have their own take and comfort level on doing such. I'm sure whatever they decide they sleep fine at night.
I know I do. :)
As you mentioned, what do you do when you dint have enough face to face time.
How about continuing the relationship until you both do have that level of confidence and trust.There is no
When not exclusive yet, what I felt we were discussing, that kind of testing is taken as odd, and not liked by most people for good reason.
If they choose to look abroad they can accept the risks involved
or justify sketchy behavior to posdibly mitigate the risks.
The likely reality is: if they can't tell the difference by the time they get to the alter of being used as visa mule, then a fake profile or two is actually quite unlikely to save them. It may change who takes them for a ride, but not that they get ridden.
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Doesn't matter what people like. People need to take care of #1. In my book, #1 is me.
Many people here think Trenchcoat is cheap and greedy.
Trench feels he got involved with materialistic women who may use him for shopping trips or vacations. Let's assume Trench is correct that the women he's involved with are insincere so that means Trench's ability to evaluate women are lacking. For him, a test would keep him out of trouble.
Some people have more risks than others and have to rely on luck in life to get through it. Relying on luck is not a smart way to get through life.
Mitigating risks is smart. I've given drug tests to employees who I've had face to face time with. I don't consider tests given to people that never met as sketchy behavior. Some people waste more time with all the wrong people than others. The wrong people need to be discarded quickly. I don't do some of the things I recommend to people but they need to stop wasting time with the wrong people instead of bringing them over to our country for the taxpayers to deal with. If they weren't born smarter than me and don't have enough brain power to figure it out, they can use a test to make up for the tools they lack in the head. I consider it more of a smart move on their part than unethical behavior.
A fake profile and test is not designed to improve guy's life forever. It's only designed to remove some of the bad girls that enter into his life. When a good girl appears, then he's got to figure out how to win her over and keep heur.
There is a high percentage of divorce in America. These people have dated the natural way with a lot of face to face time with less pressure to seal the deal. For those who remain married, many are not happy with their choice. The rate of truly successful marriages is low. I don't have confidence the majority of people can get it right before walking down the alter.
...until you are married.... right ?
They don't have more risks in this case, unless they voluntarily choose to take them.
The person they test,whether failing or passing,will likely find it border line unethical.
They arnt trying to win your heart,or mine, so our opinions about it mean little, They are trying to win the woman's heart.
A foundation of any relationship is trust and respect .
It seems I'm debating you BillyB, on this.
I dont intend it that way.
you have your ideas about it , I have mine. Unlikely to chsnge.
If you can't take care of #1, yourself, you aren't capable of taking care of anybody else. Just like in the plane, put your oxygen mask on first before helping others.
Trust you to think of one of a few circumstances where thinking of no.1 IS thinking about yourself...
You know VERY well, what I meant about marriage... do you think how this will help my life better or our life, Billy ?
Best to judge me not by what I say, but by the people who live with me.
Of course buying nice things is thinking of your partner - but even then you managed to explain why it benefits you.....
Q: Would you take a bullet for your missus' ?
You sound more like a loser liberal, progressive, socialist than someone than have a 'teaching moment'. :)
You should get her health insurance. It is the law, which apparently you are breaking and blaming Obamacare is a just an excuse. Why would you skip over health insurance, one of the few things that is pretty much a must? You are in your mid 70's, and definitely have a reduced life/time span, I wouldn't worry about 'what is cheaper' as it pertains to your wife's health.
Calmissile likes to put people on ignore right up until they post! :D
Because I did not yet put you on "Ignore". I was blessed with reading your post :)
What you didn't deny here is that you do scream at your wife, maybe TMD added in the cursing part. Frankly I"d own it if I were you. For better or worse, if that is how you make the marriage work, (Assuming that is the case). Yelling, cursing, is not the greatest way to communicate, especially in front of the little girl, but I can get that teaching an old dog a new trick (You) wouldn't be easy either for you to change, if that is how you are used to getting your point across.
Please provide ANY evidence that I swear at my wife!
Did you miss something, fathertime? Calmissile posted again, about eight hours before this post of yours, stating the situation concerning his wife's health insurance. I suggest that you read it.
...Going to low cost clinics is not the way a man of his apparent wealth would normally go about covering his wife's health.
Why do you equate cost with quality of care? .
You, are also about as dumb as a post. The three of you should get together and claim you are the moral standard for the world. :)
Because I did not yet put you on "Ignore". I was blessed with reading your post :)
Please provide ANY evidence that I swear at my wife! You are so stupid, I don't think the forum can help you. You have made multiple trips to Ukraine and spend your time in a gym becoming a muscle-man. How boring!! Do you really think that women want muscles exposed to rather have some tissue in the brain? Your a loser!
You sound more like a loser liberal, progressive, socialist than someone than have a 'teaching moment'. :)
For people who never met, there is no relationship so people shouldn't get their feelings hurt. Trust and respect has to be earned. Earlier we discussed people in relationships and if they should be tested if they had their profile up during this time. You wanted to discuss people that aren't in a relationship a few posts ago so I assumed we're still on that road.
My point,which you don't seemingly agree with ,
Is that a man is attempting to court a woman, yes even before they meet.
His actions,then and during courtship, speak far more than his words to any womsn,and particularly to FSU women.
Guys thinking of entrapment style testing, because they feel they have trouble reading people, should instead build up their skill set,.
My guess is that TMD copy pasted his own post, into this thread.
Jesus Christ. If you need to test someone you have an issue or should not be speaking to them.
I will certainly not test her in any way once there.
We will see.
I could tell her to eff off or send a few bucks for boots.
As it is he lost his foot so no longer has the boots and is back home.
I would feel like a dick if I arrived and her brother was sitting there missing his foot after I called her a liar.
I am a pretty good looking guy and look younger than my age. A member on the other site may meet me over there, you can ask him what I look like I guess.
Billy, he lost his foot to a landmine while fighting for his country. If I was lied to and am out two hundred bucks so be it and I move on. If the kid lost his foot serving and I was able to help him even for a few months it was worth it for me.
You're not convincing me you have a kind heart.
Not trying to convince you buddy. Even if you shaved your ass I am sure it looks nothing like hers :)
Do you speak with her on vid chat,if so, what times of the day?
Basically how do you communicate thru the site? Their message system, or vid chat?
Are you still communicating daily?
I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.
I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.
I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.
I spoke to her brother on his cell phone with whatsapp. She was there as well, heard her on it. Never any video.
Her babushka lives in the same city. We are planning on going over to her house while I am there to meet her. She needed some home repairs, I offered to help out a bit.
See ya' Dragonkid.Hardly likely, his account was deleted long ago ;).
Her brother or boyfriend? What kind of timeframe are we talking about? I thought the brother was on the front line in a war where very little skirmishes are happening at the moment but somehow, he's unlucky and blew off his feet right after you send money for the boots? When did you send him money for new boots? When did his foot get blown off? He'd be sitting in a hospital for a long period of time before he'd get sent back to Odessa. He had to be in Odessa talking to you since his "sister" was standing next to him.
He has turned to the bottle.
Funds are low for those injured in the war Billy, no money to keep men in hospitals in Ukraine.
I spoke to him before that while he was on leave back home for a bit.
I told them to have a skillsaw and a worker with a truck ready and I will roll up my sleeves and help fix the hole in the floor.
I never said I am sending any money for grandmothers home repairs Jumper. I told them to have a skillsaw and a worker with a truck ready and I will roll up my sleeves and help fix the hole in the floor.
Seems many here jump to their own conclusions. We will see when I am there in a week I guess.
You sound like a greedy American Billy.
Her's or Igor, the employee of the month? Actually I got good news for you. Although I'm sure agency employees were involved with trading love letter with you off her profile and other women's profiles, I actually believe she's involved with you now since she asked for money. When you decided to visit, the agency has an obligation to tell the ladies the guy is coming to visit the photo in her profile. He is in love. They show her the correspondence and she decides what she wants to do with you. Of course she makes her decision after you buy your tickets. If she thinks you're a winner, she will not insult you by taking advantage of your wallet. If she doesn't want a life with you, she'll go along for the ride and get what she can out of you.
You believe this woman really likes you? Especially after you tried to be a hero and sent $200 to make her brother's life more comfortable and investing thousands to visit her? Ask for her mobile phone number before you visit. I'll bet you she has some reason on why she can't give that to you. It's common sense. The guys a girl likes get her phone number.
One reason I recommended certain guys to do testing is because they can't read people. You read a lot of ADate's agency letters and didn't understand that is not how sincere/real women write. You were in fantasy land the whole time yet you hold hope this will move into reality with a girl falling in love and living happily ever after with you.
I was 40 when I first visited my wife who was 18 at the time. I wrote a thread before meeting my wife to show people how easy it is to meet ladies and eventually find a winner. Based on how I am, how I think, and how I read and identify people, I will always find a winner. Not many guys can write a report and know how it's going to turn out. When explaining to people about my wife's character and how she behaved, I got hammered a lot. People said I was getting scammed and going to get used. NOBODY in the history of this forum got hammered as much as I. I began to realize those hammering me didn't have much of an idea on how sincere and insincere women behave. If those people don't understand good people, they are more likely to bring the wrong people in their life. You can read the thread below and get some good ideas on how FSU women behave on dates and how they think and how people in this forum think.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0
You mentioned in another thread "How is some 21 year old bimbo going to use me?" When I was accused of going to get used by the girl I was visiting, my now wife, I replied something to the tune of "The girl has lived one year of her life as an adult. I've lived 22 years as an adult. I've got too much life experience and wisdom for somebody that young to be taking advantage of me"
The difference between you now and me back then is you already was taken advantage of and didn't know it. The agency got you. If the lady wrote her own letters to you and other men and not Igor, she was likely paid for her work. If you can't identify what is in front of you, you can't prepare how to deal with it. People over there know how to deal with western guys with confidence who think nobody will take advantage of them. Those young bimbos over there seem to win more times than lose when separating men from their money. Men beaten by those girls also report those girls are on their period 24/7. Hate to disappoint you.
Men beaten by those girls also report those girls are on their period 24/7.
You sound like a greedy American Billy.
Billy, you were 43 and she was 17, a Junior in HS. Do not lie to RWD attempting to hide your disgusting behavior. Actually criminal behavior, as in the opinion of quite a few people on RWD I have chatted with through PM, you belong in prison Billy and you should be in prison right now for Child Molestation BillyB.
Damn, so we have a pedo advising us on how to find and treat a woman. Nice.
Hopefully in a few weeks after you come back home, you're brave enough to write a trip report and tell the single men here what not to do. Don't disappear on us like the other men who thought they weren't going to get burned.
I'll do better, I am there for 2 weeks. I will update you in real time, play by play. Hows that?