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Title: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 19, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
Don't make a habit of doing tests and relying on these tests to get info. They can help but they also can hurt.


I've never tested a woman before I visited her although I'm recommending it to you. I feel if a woman isn't in a relationship with me, she's free to do what she wants. I also feel through enormous amounts of letters and phone calls, I can read a woman well. Gold diggers, scammers, green card girls, hookers, rude, stupid, and lazy women talk differently than sincere family and goal oriented women.


I have tested a few women I was deep into a serious relationship with to make sure they are exclusive to me. I don't want to waste time on a long distance relationship if the ladies are going to keep fukcing around. If they said they were in a serious relationship to the other profile, I trusted the women and took care of them well.


I also did some tests for the fun of it and posted results on this forum. I wrote a bunch of ladies from a major FSU city saying I was arriving soon and looking to help a lady finacially. Not Moscow where there was tons of money and people aren't desperate but not dumpskville either where girls could be very desperate. I wrote to ladies under 30 and I learned around 5% of the women would sell their bodies for money. Most women ignored my message.


Some ladies have in their profile they're looking for a sponsor but after looking at my photo, they told me they are looking for a serious relationship. I engaged in talk about how they see their future, how many kids they want, they goals, etc....


Some ladies have in their profile they're looking for marriage but was willing to accept money and a quick fling with me. I guess they figure to make some money and have fun before getting into marriage.


Some ladies wanted both money and a relationship but I told them they could have one or the other but not both. Some chose money, others chose me.


Ladies would ask what they had to do to receive financial help from me. I would tell them sex. If agreement was made, negotiations came next. $100 for an hour usually sealed the deal but I sometimes started low at $50. Some accepted but most do not. Some women were seriously insulted when I offered $100 and said they're not that kind of woman. They became that kind of woman when I offered $500. So if you do the test and the lady you want to visit says she's not that kind of woman to sleep with men for money, she may become that kind of women if you offer 500 Euros for one hour of her time


I also removed my age off my profile. Out of dozens that wrote me back saying they want a serious relationship, only a couple asked for my age. Another reason I believe the age differences between people matter less over there.


There's a lot of interesting data I gathered out of this but can't remember it all.


I'm not into commercial sex but I wanted to get an insight on how girls over there think. Although only a few women are materialistic in a bad way, they are more aggressive and understand how to catch men better than the sincere girls that you want to marry. Your chances go up in getting involved with an insincere women. Also consider a good girl is available for one man. A bad girl is available for a thousand men.  It's harder to become the one man for a good girl than it is to become one of the thousands of men for a bad girl.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: ML on August 19, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
Some women were seriously insulted when I offered $100 and said they're not that kind of woman. They became that kind of woman when I offered $500.

It is said we all have a price to do most anything.
Probably true.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BC on August 19, 2017, 12:09:01 PM
It is said we all have a price to do most anything.
Probably true.

100 is being a cheapo, wouldn't impress a pro at all.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 19, 2017, 02:05:54 PM
Sounds like Indecent Proposal 
BillyB.

 Come on now, tell us you wouldn't wear your wife's heel heels real sweet like for Mr.Redford if he offered you a mil.
 So the line is somewhere between $50, and $50 million ,
Where it's at doesn't change the principle does it? Lol
:)

On a more serious note: I believe entrapment is a plausible defense  in most legal areas like this, because of the question in ethics.




Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 19, 2017, 08:03:42 PM


I only communicated with women that were looking for local boys during my experiment. I didn't use marriage agencies or international dating sites. One girl, in her profile, said she's not looking to move abroad and foreign guys to leave her alone. She must have like my photo enough to begin writing me and we had many deep discussions. She said she'd consider a relationship with me and I told her if I end up marrying a woman, I'd want her to live with me in America. She said she could do that if we meet and like each other. When I ended the experiment, I told every girl who started to have feelings for me that I chose another girl but I was glad to communicate with them. Some were sad. Some wished me well. Some ignored me. I guess they were upset they came in at #2.


Sounds like Indecent Proposal 
BillyB.

 Come on now, tell us you wouldn't wear your wife's heel heels real sweet like for Mr.Redford if he offered you a mil.
 So the line is somewhere between $50, and $50 million ,
Where it's at doesn't change the principle does it? Lol
:)



I remember a RW saying her and her husband had this discussion and they agreed everybody has a price. I told her I don't have a price and would never sleep with another man. She wasn't convinced until I told her that if I went to prison and some guy wanted to stick his rod in me, either he or I will die before that happens. My life is worth more than any amount of money and I'm willing to sacrifice it to prevent homo play.


Money is nice to have but I don't need to be a millionaire to be happy. There are some things I have that billionaires and movie and sports stars don't have. A hot wife. My wife is better looking than 99% of billionaires and stars wives even with all their plastic surgery. She also is kind. I know when some guys look at her, they are thinking "some man has to put up with her BS". They automatically assume hot looking women are bitchy.


Some people here think I like attention but my wife takes attention away from me. When we go out, I've caught a lot of guys looking at her ass instead of mine.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 20, 2017, 12:41:47 PM
Don't make a habit of doing tests and relying on these tests to get info. They can help but they also can hurt.


I've never tested a woman before I visited her although I'm recommending it to you. I feel if a woman isn't in a relationship with me, she's free to do what she wants. I also feel through enormous amounts of letters and phone calls, I can read a woman well. Gold diggers, scammers, green card girls, hookers, rude, stupid, and lazy women talk differently than sincere family and goal oriented women.


I have tested a few women I was deep into a serious relationship with to make sure they are exclusive to me. I don't want to waste time on a long distance relationship if the ladies are going to keep fukcing around. If they said they were in a serious relationship to the other profile, I trusted the women and took care of them well.


I also did some tests for the fun of it and posted results on this forum. I wrote a bunch of ladies from a major FSU city saying I was arriving soon and looking to help a lady finacially. Not Moscow where there was tons of money and people aren't desperate but not dumpskville either where girls could be very desperate. I wrote to ladies under 30 and I learned around 5% of the women would sell their bodies for money. Most women ignored my message.


Some ladies have in their profile they're looking for a sponsor but after looking at my photo, they told me they are looking for a serious relationship. I engaged in talk about how they see their future, how many kids they want, they goals, etc....


Some ladies have in their profile they're looking for marriage but was willing to accept money and a quick fling with me. I guess they figure to make some money and have fun before getting into marriage.


Some ladies wanted both money and a relationship but I told them they could have one or the other but not both. Some chose money, others chose me.


Ladies would ask what they had to do to receive financial help from me. I would tell them sex. If agreement was made, negotiations came next. $100 for an hour usually sealed the deal but I sometimes started low at $50. Some accepted but most do not. Some women were seriously insulted when I offered $100 and said they're not that kind of woman. They became that kind of woman when I offered $500. So if you do the test and the lady you want to visit says she's not that kind of woman to sleep with men for money, she may become that kind of women if you offer 500 Euros for one hour of her time


I also removed my age off my profile. Out of dozens that wrote me back saying they want a serious relationship, only a couple asked for my age. Another reason I believe the age differences between people matter less over there.


There's a lot of interesting data I gathered out of this but can't remember it all.


I'm not into commercial sex but I wanted to get an insight on how girls over there think. Although only a few women are materialistic in a bad way, they are more aggressive and understand how to catch men better than the sincere girls that you want to marry. Your chances go up in getting involved with an insincere women. Also consider a good girl is available for one man. A bad girl is available for a thousand men.  It's harder to become the one man for a good girl than it is to become one of the thousands of men for a bad girl.

You should have asked if she would have sex with you for a million dollars then asked is she would have sex with you for 50 cents - to which she would no doubt reply, 'what do you think I am' to which you reply, 'I know what you are, now we're just negotiating on price' :D

Yeah, you're so right though, FSW can react in ways other than what they state they want whether its conscious or something they do without realizing it. Their stated intention and what you actually get from them are not always the same. Sounding them out well beforehand like this can save hours or even weeks/months of wasted time, money and effort. Though it may seem a bit devious I feel that I don't want to end up with another strange relationship so its a definite one to do, many thanks Billy ;D
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 20, 2017, 01:53:47 PM


Make sure you don't waste time testing everybody out there, there are better things to do with that time. Just test the one you're making plans to visit so you don't get involved with a material girl. After you find one with high morals and standards, the hard part would be to keep her. If you don't have many quality traits, you will be labeled a loser. Losers don't get much action.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 22, 2017, 09:29:02 AM
You can hope she tests you back by having a fake profile of a more attractive, nicer, attentive , wealthier, woman right?

Very slippery slope there trench.

I never needed to do so , to sort out a good person.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: ML on August 22, 2017, 09:36:54 AM
I never needed to do so, to sort out a good person.

Of course you did.
But you just did it by sending a naked pic of your equipment.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: 2tallbill on August 22, 2017, 12:01:54 PM
I never needed to do so , to sort out a good person.

All you have to do is to pay attention and the sketchy girls and
the good girls quickly separate and show which club they belong
to soon enough.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 22, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
All you have to do is to pay attention and the sketchy girls and
the good girls quickly separate and show which club they belong
to soon enough.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 22, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
I never needed to do so , to sort out a good person.



You may not have a habit of bringing questionable people in your life. Some people can't read others so well. They need some assistance. Better to get it right than marry the wrong person.


We are constantly evaluating people when we date them to see how they act in various situations. How they treat us, their family, or a server at a restaurant. Some guys focus on the bush and don't evaluate the woman at all. They are more likely to get involved with all the wrong people.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: southernX on August 22, 2017, 11:38:09 PM


We are constantly evaluating people when we date them to see how they act in various situations.

all humans are making evaulations /judgements about others in seconds when we meet and when we interact any good person who is well grounded should be capable to sort the wheat from the chaff

SX
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 23, 2017, 12:04:58 AM
all humans are making evaulations /judgements about others in seconds when we meet and when we interact any good person who is well grounded should be capable to sort the wheat from the chaff

SX


I wish that were true for everybody but after reading enough guys marrying gold diggers and green card girls. When in front of a beautiful girl, I suspect all their brains go out the window and they're thinking with the little head. In the end we pay for it after the girls milk the social programs. If people know they're weak reading others, I wouldn't blame them if they did a test which could save them and us thousands of dollars.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: calmissile on August 23, 2017, 02:30:54 AM
Billy, I have no issues with your testing methods.  I used some of them myself.  After the initial testing question and answer exercise back and forth, I decided to make the trip with WMVM. I had already broken up with a fiance' that was into playing games and did not want to go through that again.

When on the trip I decided to just be myself.  Nothing FAKE!  What you see is what you get.  :)

My trip report is well chronicled in the trip reports. I had several dates lined up in Kiev and others in other cities.  One gal claimed to be a chemical engineer and the truth was she was selling cosmetics.  :)  She insisted on going to a Sushi bar for dinner.    It might have cost me $50 for the night and I was not interested in taking her to bed.  Quick/cheap interview1

My (now) wife took an interest in recovering my lost luggage from Air Chance.  In fact she drove to the airport and raised hell until it was found and delivered.  (Also in the trip report).  It made an impression on me.  Someone that cared and had enough interest in me to put forth the time and effort to solve one of my problems.

The other women I dated on that trip hardly made a dent in my feelings.  I thought I might have found a winner.  All said and done, I think I did.  We have been married for over 4 years.  She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice and sometimes arguing over stupid things that don't deserve an argument.  It seems so normal for a family relationship.  I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it.  Although she is 30 years younger, she does not follow the feminist agenda.  She values an intact family and for that reason I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves.  :)

The one characteristic that seems abnormal about her is that whatever happens the day before, she wakes up in the morning with a smile and says "I love you so much". She is also not an uneducated 'village girl'.  She has double master degrees in business and agronomics.  By current American standards, she is a slave to an unreasonable master. :)  F*ck the political progressives.  We have a relationship that works for both of us!

The fact that she is always in a happy mood makes her an 'idiot' in Soviet cultures.   He mom which is a retired University Professor is also normally happy in spite of her age and health conditions.  Maybe it is genetic.  Don't know, but I like it.

Update--- Her (our) daughter entered the 3rd grade this year and is doing great.  She has been 100% literate in English from almost the beginning.  Mom and daughter have been speaking in Russian at home and in English to me. I have encouraged Lisa to speak English with her mom at home in order to accelerate Larissa's conversational English.  It's been sort of comical to  overhear Lisa tell her mom "English" when they are talking.

I feel like the luckiest guy in the world to have found a compatible Ukrainian wife and daughter with only two tries.

My advice to men is this....."Be yourself!  Don't need to wear suits to impress if you are not comfortable in them.  Just be your HONEST, TRUE, personality.  Anything else is FAKE and your prospective mate will figure you out over time and may not trust you.  Of course you need to hold her to the same standards.

If the moon is right and the stars align, you may well find a wife that is as wonderful as the one I found!

Toady's Crisis..............

Got a call at work from Larissa.  Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk).  Blood gushing out of her toe.  Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad.  After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening.  She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles).

When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain.  She dressed the wound before I got home and was not in a good mood. She indicated it was a manufacturer defect and expected me to do something about it.  I asked her to bring me the object that cut her toe and blew off her toenail.  It was the shaft of the Fuller Roto Sweeper that I bought for her after watching a TV ad.

After examining the shaft, I discovered that there is no locking mechanism to hold it attached to the sweeper.  When she was running it back and forth to pick up litter on the kitchen floor (from the cats) the handle came out of the sweeper and the forward stroke caused the shaft of the handle to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone.

My engineering analysis of the end of the shaft indicated that it was similar to a mechanical punch.  It was beveled from the obvious method of cutting off the handles from a long tube.l  Clearly this is a design/manufacturing defect.  Tomorrow I will call a Person Injury Lawyer for the first time in my life. The end of the shaft (handle) is extremely sharp and would be perfect to cut out holes in gaskets that size.

Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution. Tomorrow, I expect to take her to the clinic (she has no insurance, thanks to Obamacare) and will get her a toe X-Ray to see if it is broken.  This product has no way to secure the laser sharp handle into the sweeper.   We will see if an attorney can at least pay for her medical bills.  Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health.

You think life is easy with a FSUW, or any wife for that matter?  Our waterbed sprung a leak two day ago.  We finally found the leak at a seam that is very difficult to repair.  After 2 days of experimenting, I think I found a solution. We will know tomorrow night.  3 nights sleeping on the couch is getting old already!

I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth.  I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem.

You might all think that by marrying a wonderful FSU woman that life is going to be easy.  Maybe not!  It might be like normal life with any spouse and child.

The more reason to think about the responsibilities you are going to assume once you take the fatal step!
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: ML on August 23, 2017, 06:24:31 AM
Doug, WOW thanks for sharing this interesting story.

I even called Ochka in to read it.
She then said: What are you going to write about me?

I said I will write:  If you think your wife is a PIA, let me tell you about . . . .

She said:  I thought I was pretty easy going !!!

So I smiled and admitted that was true, and that I was just joking.
I told how I was very happy that she always woke with smile on her face and went to sleep with smile on her face.
Now she is busy canning some tomatoes before heading off to teach her classes.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 23, 2017, 09:51:47 AM

Doug, I hope your wife recovers well from that injury. Sounds bad. Take care of her because based on what you said about her in the past, she's taken good care of you. I also feel bad for your couch. By sleeping on it everyday, you're prematurely wearing it out.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: jone on August 23, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Billy, I have no issues with your testing methods.  I used some of them myself.  After the initial testing question and answer exercise back and forth, I decided to make the trip with WMVM. I had already broken up with a fiance' that was into playing games and did not want to go through that again.

When on the trip I decided to just be myself.  Nothing FAKE!  What you see is what you get.  :)

My trip report is well chronicled in the trip reports. I had several dates lined up in Kiev and others in other cities.  One gal claimed to be a chemical engineer and the truth was she was selling cosmetics.  :)  She insisted on going to a Sushi bar for dinner.    It might have cost me $50 for the night and I was not interested in taking her to bed.  Quick/cheap interview1

My (now) wife took an interest in recovering my lost luggage from Air Chance.  In fact she drove to the airport and raised hell until it was found and delivered.  (Also in the trip report).  It made an impression on me.  Someone that cared and had enough interest in me to put forth the time and effort to solve one of my problems.

The other women I dated on that trip hardly made a dent in my feelings.  I thought I might have found a winner.  All said and done, I think I did.  We have been married for over 4 years.  She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice and sometimes arguing over stupid things that don't deserve an argument.  It seems so normal for a family relationship.  I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it.  Although she is 30 years younger, she does not follow the feminist agenda.  She values an intact family and for that reason I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves.  :)

The one characteristic that seems abnormal about her is that whatever happens the day before, she wakes up in the morning with a smile and says "I love you so much". She is also not an uneducated 'village girl'.  She has double master degrees in business and agronomics.  By current American standards, she is a slave to an unreasonable master. :)  F*ck the political progressives.  We have a relationship that works for both of us!

The fact that she is always in a happy mood makes her an 'idiot' in Soviet cultures.   He mom which is a retired University Professor is also normally happy in spite of her age and health conditions.  Maybe it is genetic.  Don't know, but I like it.

Update--- Her (our) daughter entered the 3rd grade this year and is doing great.  She has been 100% literate in English from almost the beginning.  Mom and daughter have been speaking in Russian at home and in English to me. I have encouraged Lisa to speak English with her mom at home in order to accelerate Larissa's conversational English.  It's been sort of comical to  overhear Lisa tell her mom "English" when they are talking.

I feel like the luckiest guy in the world to have found a compatible Ukrainian wife and daughter with only two tries.

My advice to men is this....."Be yourself!  Don't need to wear suits to impress if you are not comfortable in them.  Just be your HONEST, TRUE, personality.  Anything else is FAKE and your prospective mate will figure you out over time and may not trust you.  Of course you need to hold her to the same standards.

If the moon is right and the stars align, you may well find a wife that is as wonderful as the one I found!

Toady's Crisis..............

Got a call at work from Larissa.  Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk).  Blood gushing out of her toe.  Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad.  After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening.  She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles).

When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain.  She dressed the wound before I got home and was not in a good mood. She indicated it was a manufacturer defect and expected me to do something about it.  I asked her to bring me the object that cut her toe and blew off her toenail.  It was the shaft of the Fuller Roto Sweeper that I bought for her after watching a TV ad.

After examining the shaft, I discovered that there is no locking mechanism to hold it attached to the sweeper.  When she was running it back and forth to pick up litter on the kitchen floor (from the cats) the handle came out of the sweeper and the forward stroke caused the shaft of the handle to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone.

My engineering analysis of the end of the shaft indicated that it was similar to a mechanical punch.  It was beveled from the obvious method of cutting off the handles from a long tube.l  Clearly this is a design/manufacturing defect.  Tomorrow I will call a Person Injury Lawyer for the first time in my life. The end of the shaft (handle) is extremely sharp and would be perfect to cut out holes in gaskets that size.

Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution. Tomorrow, I expect to take her to the clinic (she has no insurance, thanks to Obamacare) and will get her a toe X-Ray to see if it is broken.  This product has no way to secure the laser sharp handle into the sweeper.   We will see if an attorney can at least pay for her medical bills.  Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health.

You think life is easy with a FSUW, or any wife for that matter?  Our waterbed sprung a leak two day ago.  We finally found the leak at a seam that is very difficult to repair.  After 2 days of experimenting, I think I found a solution. We will know tomorrow night.  3 nights sleeping on the couch is getting old already!

I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth.  I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem.

You might all think that by marrying a wonderful FSU woman that life is going to be easy.  Maybe not!  It might be like normal life with any spouse and child.

The more reason to think about the responsibilities you are going to assume once you take the fatal step!

Geeze Doug.

Sometimes you throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Don't sleep on the couch.  If you have problems with the waterbed, get a new one.  Life is too short.  And you're making plenty of money that you can afford it. 
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: JayH on August 23, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
Always interesting to read updates.
The move to include others in your life is always going to be full of compromises ( yes-I know I am stating the obvious to all those that have done it !!) and not everything is going to make you smile.
I mention that in the context of an all to frequent poster currently polluting the forum with his ignorance of  what a relationship means !

To your wifes toe-- that is excruciating pain ( having done something similar) and ongoing pain as every movement of foot hurts like hell -- and throbs at rest.Simple tasks like sleeping--the weight of the sheet etc will create serious pain !
Sometimes --people that have not experienced pain do not appreciate how debilitating it is .That is all general comment-- not specific to Doug here.

Water beds !! They disappeared 20-30 years ago  surely! As  Jon said --time to get a new bed !!
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: southernX on August 23, 2017, 05:58:25 PM
doug your story has likeneses to my wifes reaction to such events

when things go wrong i always get acall and am expected to ''fix it ''imediately , thats what hubbies do  ;)

its good to highlight the normal side to life , not just the good stuff

i would buy a new bed asap if i where you , couch is no place to sleep , unless your a cat or dog &  even then in our place they get short shrift out the door  ;D

SX

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: calmissile on August 23, 2017, 08:24:25 PM
Update...

I took Larissa to the clinic today to have her toe examined.  She was in a lot of pain this morning but still did not want to go.  Nearly had to hold her down on the exam table while the doctor cleaned the wound.  I thought she was going to punch him :)

The waterbed is now fixed.  I researched the topic of repairs on the internet and all of the reports say you can't fix a seam.  That was a challenge I could not pass up.  I searched locally for a new mattress and no one had one in stock.  Lots of them on the internet but the decent ones run $350 - $450.   Figured that if I have to wait for shipping, I might as well try to fix the tiny leak at the corner seam.

I got lucky and had not thought of this fix before discovering it.  I had a vacuum on the water fill  port and happened to be walking by it and could hear air hissing.  As it turned out, the mattress was sucking air into it.  What more could I ask for?  I fed it vinyl glue and let the suction draw it into the seam.  Filled it tonight and it has no leaks.  Knock on wood for the future.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2017, 06:56:28 AM
Don't make a habit of doing tests and relying on these tests to get info. They can help but they also can hurt.







We are always making observations and judgements of others in everyday life.There are plenty of natural tests without creating them.

However the  entrapment style testing initially discussed reflects as much on the tester, as the one tested regardless result.

 If you are fine with a woman creating fake profiles to test you, then two birds of a feather is no problem.

Personally I would have an issue with a woman that did so.
Because I would not,  from both  an ethical view, and from a position of self confidence . I don't have trust issues, and give another person the benefit of the doubt, until they  prove otherwise. I expect the same level of respect in return.

  Being tested in such a way would make me question her self esteem and insecurties,it's a game.reminds me of high school.
I would think she'd feel.the the same in reverse.
Not saying it would be a deal breaker,,but I would find it odd.
It would create doubts, not trust.
I can't imagine a woman wouldn't feel the same about it.

So test in some entrapment style, if you feel some need to,but be aware you'll likely come across a bit insecure to most women,not as some savy sleuth.(regardless what the highlight reel in your own head shows)

So as billy stated, I'd be pretty careful about if,or when  you did so.






Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
As far as the other discussion,
Obviously life has its various big and small challenge and opportunities for an individual.
For a couple, or family both those are increased.

As a team,  those both should be easier, in my case they certainly are.
We have faced some true hardships,and some real opportunities.
In the big picture of day to day life ,it's much easier and truly rewarding.
As always YMMV.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: 2tallbill on August 24, 2017, 07:56:01 AM

So test in some entrapment style, if you feel some need to,but be aware you'll likely come across a bit insecure to most women,not as some savy sleuth.(regardless what the highlight reel in your own head shows)

So as billy stated, I'd be pretty careful about if,or when  you did so.

+1

From the visit one school of thought
Every girl that I wrote a letter to passed the basic eye test. She looked good
or I didn't write her. If she wrote me back then I passed her eye test. Then
after a couple letters I asked her to meet on Skype. I would make a compelling
argument but if she refused then I dumped her.

Then after a Skype conversation I determined if I wanted to go further with her.
About 75% of the time, after the Skype conversation I decided I didn't want to
pursue the girl.

Once they passed the Skype test, I started to plan on meeting them.

For the visit many
I looked at their profile and they had to pass the basic eye test.
Then I asked to meet them for coffee, tea or me. Then if I passed their eye/interest
test, I would meet them. In the initial meeting they had to pass another eye test
then a chemistry test. If I didn't feel the chemistry, I sent them on their way. 90%
of the time I sent them on their way.

That means that I could write a hundred girls to have coffee, tea or me and maybe
10-20 would respond. Of those one or two at most would I want to meet again.

You can call it testing, sorting or sifting but every man and woman does it. After the
sifting process, you keep progressing with the girl but you keep your eyes and ears
open.

As far as writing a letter to a girl pretending to be somebody else. I've never done
stuff like that. If I didn't trust the girl, then I dumped the girl, it was as simple as
that. You want an exceptional girl, not a so-so girl. Girls want to be considered as
exceptional. They want you to want them. If she isn't exceptional then kick her to
the curb for some other guy to pursue. Lather, rinse, repeat until you find a great
girl.

Where many guys have a problem, is they find a hot girl with a so-so character. It's
even worse if the girl throws her knickers in the air and rides you like the bull in the
world rodeo finals. However, you have to realize that you don't want a so-so character
and kick her cute little bouncing popka to the curb so that she can drive somebody
else totally nuts instead of you.

What you don't do is try to fix girls. First they don't think like men so you don't have
a clue how to do it and broken girls are like a Ferrari with twelve carburetors, mechanical
lifters and a tricky gear box. You'll can never get them tuned right. It's like opening the
back of a watch and seeing a thousand parts fly out.

You need a girl who already has her head screwed on straight. Leave the bent, broken
or untrustworthy girls for somebody else to tinker with.
 
That's my opinion

Bill
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: jone on August 24, 2017, 09:32:23 AM
When I started this venture, I was quite paranoid.  As time went by, I realized I had a lot more to offer than I had originally figured.  Testing the woman was no longer an option.  Instead, the focus became is she a 'nice and wise' woman.  Don't mind if she's a bit slutty.  I like that.  I think that every man has a different bar for how he judges women.  And you have to find someone that you are comfortable with.

But that doesn't come from testing them.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 24, 2017, 01:41:57 PM
Billy, I have no issues with your testing methods.  I used some of them myself.  After the initial testing question and answer exercise back and forth, I decided to make the trip with WMVM. I had already broken up with a fiance' that was into playing games and did not want to go through that again.

When on the trip I decided to just be myself.  Nothing FAKE!  What you see is what you get.  :)

My trip report is well chronicled in the trip reports. I had several dates lined up in Kiev and others in other cities.  One gal claimed to be a chemical engineer and the truth was she was selling cosmetics.  :)  She insisted on going to a Sushi bar for dinner.    It might have cost me $50 for the night and I was not interested in taking her to bed.  Quick/cheap interview1

My (now) wife took an interest in recovering my lost luggage from Air Chance.  In fact she drove to the airport and raised hell until it was found and delivered.  (Also in the trip report).  It made an impression on me.  Someone that cared and had enough interest in me to put forth the time and effort to solve one of my problems.

The other women I dated on that trip hardly made a dent in my feelings.  I thought I might have found a winner.  All said and done, I think I did.  We have been married for over 4 years.  She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice and sometimes arguing over stupid things that don't deserve an argument.  It seems so normal for a family relationship.  I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it.  Although she is 30 years younger, she does not follow the feminist agenda.  She values an intact family and for that reason I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves.  :)

The one characteristic that seems abnormal about her is that whatever happens the day before, she wakes up in the morning with a smile and says "I love you so much". She is also not an uneducated 'village girl'.  She has double master degrees in business and agronomics.  By current American standards, she is a slave to an unreasonable master. :)  F*ck the political progressives.  We have a relationship that works for both of us!

The fact that she is always in a happy mood makes her an 'idiot' in Soviet cultures.   He mom which is a retired University Professor is also normally happy in spite of her age and health conditions.  Maybe it is genetic.  Don't know, but I like it.

Update--- Her (our) daughter entered the 3rd grade this year and is doing great.  She has been 100% literate in English from almost the beginning.  Mom and daughter have been speaking in Russian at home and in English to me. I have encouraged Lisa to speak English with her mom at home in order to accelerate Larissa's conversational English.  It's been sort of comical to  overhear Lisa tell her mom "English" when they are talking.

I feel like the luckiest guy in the world to have found a compatible Ukrainian wife and daughter with only two tries.

My advice to men is this....."Be yourself!  Don't need to wear suits to impress if you are not comfortable in them.  Just be your HONEST, TRUE, personality.  Anything else is FAKE and your prospective mate will figure you out over time and may not trust you.  Of course you need to hold her to the same standards.

If the moon is right and the stars align, you may well find a wife that is as wonderful as the one I found!

Toady's Crisis..............

Got a call at work from Larissa.  Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk).  Blood gushing out of her toe.  Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad.  After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening.  She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles).

When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain.  She dressed the wound before I got home and was not in a good mood. She indicated it was a manufacturer defect and expected me to do something about it.  I asked her to bring me the object that cut her toe and blew off her toenail.  It was the shaft of the Fuller Roto Sweeper that I bought for her after watching a TV ad.

After examining the shaft, I discovered that there is no locking mechanism to hold it attached to the sweeper.  When she was running it back and forth to pick up litter on the kitchen floor (from the cats) the handle came out of the sweeper and the forward stroke caused the shaft of the handle to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone.

My engineering analysis of the end of the shaft indicated that it was similar to a mechanical punch.  It was beveled from the obvious method of cutting off the handles from a long tube.l  Clearly this is a design/manufacturing defect.  Tomorrow I will call a Person Injury Lawyer for the first time in my life. The end of the shaft (handle) is extremely sharp and would be perfect to cut out holes in gaskets that size.

Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution. Tomorrow, I expect to take her to the clinic (she has no insurance, thanks to Obamacare) and will get her a toe X-Ray to see if it is broken.  This product has no way to secure the laser sharp handle into the sweeper.   We will see if an attorney can at least pay for her medical bills.  Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health.

You think life is easy with a FSUW, or any wife for that matter?  Our waterbed sprung a leak two day ago.  We finally found the leak at a seam that is very difficult to repair.  After 2 days of experimenting, I think I found a solution. We will know tomorrow night.  3 nights sleeping on the couch is getting old already!

I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth.  I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem.

You might all think that by marrying a wonderful FSU woman that life is going to be easy.  Maybe not!  It might be like normal life with any spouse and child.

The more reason to think about the responsibilities you are going to assume once you take the fatal step!


Wow I feel bad for your wife. No health insurance? Have you at least bought her a car? (Doesn't sound like you did or she would have driven herself to the ER or at least a Minute clinic). Putting up with a grumpy old man 30 years her senior without basic needs taken care of - what was she running from?
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: treadmilldude on August 24, 2017, 04:07:36 PM
I agree with Pitbull about Calmissile. I read his post yesterday I believe, and I was totally shocked at how, cold, callous and uncaring he seemed about his Ukrainian Wife. It sounds like he doesn't even really love her.

First of all, why did a 46 year-old Ukrainian woman (who by the way, looks GREAT in a bikini - he has posted pics of his Wife and her beautiful little approx 8 year-old blonde little girl. His Wife looks more attractive than 99% of 46 year-old women in a bikini.) decide to marry a 76 year-old  US man??   :(  The only thing I can come up with is she was extremely desperate to get out of the poverty she endured in Ukraine, and was probably even willing to marry a man 40 years older than her to get out of Ukraine. I guess some women in Ukraine are so desperate to get out of Ukraine....that they are, incredibly, willing to marry a very bitter, angry old American Man who is mad at the world, that is 30 years their senior?? I never knew there were these type of women in Ukraine until Cal showed up. In fact, I never even knew he was 30 years-older than his Wife until I read this post!!

""She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice""    What kind of a man "Yells" at a woman? My Mom and Dad have been married 47 years. During that time, I have never once, not even one time, seen my Father raise his voice to my Mother. Not one time. Sure, every once in awhile he gets a tiny bit frustrated with her and puts his head down, eyes at the floor, sometimes and shakes his head a tiny bit - I guess that is how he vents his frustration....IMO that is a much healthier outlet for his frustration than him yelling at my Mom!! I am 39. Not one time in my life, NOT ONE TIME, have I ever raised my voice to a woman. I literally have never yelled at a woman before. If I am frustrated or upset with my GF, I simply take my car keys, kiss her on the cheek, hug her, tell her I love her, tell her I am going for a drive, and I head up to the gym for a couple of hours and pound the weights with ferocity, then jump on the treadmill for 60 minutes, until I am completely exhausted. When I get home from pounding the weights and tearing the treadmill up, I am so sweaty, tired and worn-out, I do not even have the energy to be upset with my GF any more. So the first thing I do is I walk up to her, put my arms around her, whisper in her ears "I love You" then I proceed to kiss her. That calms us both down and after that, all the girls I have ever dated have never even really had the heart to be upset with me anymore. They simply hug me back, giggle, tell me "You crazy, insane man" look me in the eyes, smile and say "I love you too" then plant a sweet kiss on me.  I am not cool at all with Calmissile's very cavalier attitude about yelling at his Wife any time he feels like it.

""It seems so normal for a family relationship."" No Cal, it is NOT normal for the Husband to yell at his Wife. That is NOT the normal dynamics within a healthy, happy family.

""I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it. I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves."" Wow Cal, you come across as a total fucking asshole!! I mean really a complete fucking asshole!! Grow up dude and pull that bur out of your ass.

""Got a call at work from Larissa.  Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk).  Blood gushing out of her toe.  Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad.  After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening.""  Umm, if there is a language barrier Cal, how could you conclude with 100% certainty that it was NOT life threatening??  :(  And since you were not there to see the injury for yourself, likewise, how could you conclude it was not life-threatening??  :(

""She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles)."" Ok, so she has a "Habit" of exaggerating things. That does not mean she exaggerates 100% of the time. What if this time, she was not exaggerating, but in fact there was some very real damage done to a tendon, ligament, or some other soft tissue structure within her toe??  You have the "magical" ability to definitively conclude (without even seeing her injury), with 100% accuracy, that this time she was exaggerating?? (Face in hands)  You cared so little about her that it was too much effort to make a 30 mile drive home from work, that very second, to check on the woman you married and supposedly love?? (Face in Hands.) 

""When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain."" Umm....umm... yeah Cal, sounds like she was not exaggerating this time.  :(

"" to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone.""  But yeah Cal, let's not rush her up to the Urgent Care clinic immediately ( I realize you do not have insurance on her so an urgent care clinic is obviously much less cost-prohibitive )  but instead let's "sleep on it", and wake up the next day and take her to the hospital the next day.  :(

""Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution."" Wow, incredibly caring attitude to have about a woman who just nearly had her toe amputated.  :( Someone needs to give you a good ass-kicking Cal.

""Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health."" Wow, I feel bad you were so terribly inconvenienced. I am so sorry for you Cal.

""I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth.  I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem.""  Yeah, that is what happens Cal when you make the really terrible decision of not having dental insurance on your Ukrainian Wife.

I am pretty disgusted that no other members of RWD but Pitbull and myself spoke up and voiced our disapproval of Cal's behavior. At my main internet bodybuilding board, 99% of the men there love their wives / GF's to death, and a post like Cals would absolutely be met with condemnation from nearly every member. But here on RWD, all the vets are patting Cal on the back, saying things like .....ML " Doug, WOW thanks for sharing this interesting story.""....or Jone ""Geeze Doug.

Sometimes you throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Don't sleep on the couch.  If you have problems with the waterbed, get a new one.  Life is too short.  And you're making plenty of money that you can afford it. ""

Or SouthernX's comment giving good ole' Doug a jolly old pat on the back.

I am sorry, but there is a reason only a handful of guys post on RWD. The lurkers who lurk as guests are invariable pretty disgusted with the behavior and attitudes of the majority of the vets here on RWD. Boorish behavior like this would never, ever be tolerated on my bodybuilding message board....there are too many outstanding Husbands and BF's on my bodybuilding board and we are too extremely protective of women there to tolerate the kind of behavior that is allowed and even condoned and championed here on RWD.

I am just shaking my head in disgust. This is not how I was raised to treat a woman. My Dad and Mom raised me to treat women much better than this. My friends all treat women much better than this. Probably why I feel no real compelling reason to ever post on RWD.  Just read, but really no reason for me to ever post.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 24, 2017, 04:11:27 PM
I agree with Pitbull about Calmissile. I read his post yesterday I believe, and I was totally shocked at how, cold, callous and uncaring he seemed about his Ukrainian Wife. It sounds like he doesn't even really love her.

First of all, why did a 46 year-old Ukrainian woman (who by the way, looks GREAT in a bikini - he has posted pics of his Wife and her beautiful little approx 8 year-old blonde little girl. His Wife looks more attractive than 99% of 46 year-old women in a bikini.) decide to marry a 76 year-old  US man??   :(  The only thing I can come up with is she was extremely desperate to get out of the poverty she endured in Ukraine, and was probably even willing to marry a man 40 years older than her to get out of Ukraine. I guess some women in Ukraine are so desperate to get out of Ukraine....that they are, incredibly, willing to marry a very bitter, angry old American Man who is mad at the world, that is 30 years their senior?? I never knew there were these type of women in Ukraine until Cal showed up. In fact, I never even knew he was 30 years-older than his Wife until I read this post!!

""She has put up with my yelling at her for not following my advice""    What kind of a man "Yells" at a woman? My Mom and Dad have been married 47 years. During that time, I have never once, not even one time, seen my Father raise his voice to my Mother. Not one time. Sure, every once in awhile he gets a tiny bit frustrated with her and puts his head down, eyes at the floor, sometimes and shakes his head a tiny bit - I guess that is how he vents his frustration....IMO that is a much healthier outlet for his frustration than him yelling at my Mom!! I am 39. Not one time in my life, NOT ONE TIME, have I ever raised my voice to a woman. I literally have never yelled at a woman before. If I am frustrated or upset with my GF, I simply take my car keys, kiss her on the cheek, hug her, tell her I love her, tell her I am going for a drive, and I head up to the gym for a couple of hours and pound the weights with ferocity, then jump on the treadmill for 60 minutes, until I am completely exhausted. When I get home from pounding the weights and tearing the treadmill up, I am so sweaty, tired and worn-out, I do not even have the energy to be upset with my GF any more. So the first thing I do is I walk up to her, put my arms around her, whisper in her ears "I love You" then I proceed to kiss her. That calms us both down and after that, all the girls I have ever dated have never even really had the heart to be upset with me anymore. They simply hug me back, giggle, tell me "You crazy, insane man" look me in the eyes, smile and say "I love you too" then plant a sweet kiss on me.  I am not cool at all with Calmissile's very cavalier attitude about yelling at his Wife any time he feels like it.

""It seems so normal for a family relationship."" No Cal, it is NOT normal for the Husband to yell at his Wife. That is NOT the normal dynamics within a healthy, happy family.

""I don't put up with a lot of shit and she knows it. I get some latitude to sound off when she gets on my nerves."" Wow Cal, you come across as a total fucking asshole!! I mean really a complete fucking asshole!! Grow up dude and pull that bur out of your ass.

""Got a call at work from Larissa.  Difficult to understand but it sounded like she nearly cut off one of her toes (fingers by Russian talk).  Blood gushing out of her toe.  Something to do with her using the new Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper I bought for her after watching a TV ad.  After considerable translation issues I found that it was not life threatening.""  Umm, if there is a language barrier Cal, how could you conclude with 100% certainty that it was NOT life threatening??  :(  And since you were not there to see the injury for yourself, likewise, how could you conclude it was not life-threatening??  :(

""She also has a habit of exaggerating things so I told her I would address it when I got home from work (30 miles)."" Ok, so she has a "Habit" of exaggerating things. That does not mean she exaggerates 100% of the time. What if this time, she was not exaggerating, but in fact there was some very real damage done to a tendon, ligament, or some other soft tissue structure within her toe??  You have the "magical" ability to definitively conclude (without even seeing her injury), with 100% accuracy, that this time she was exaggerating?? (Face in hands)  You cared so little about her that it was too much effort to make a 30 mile drive home from work, that very second, to check on the woman you married and supposedly love?? (Face in Hands.) 

""When I got home, I discovered that she had nearly cut off one of her toes and lost completely the toenail on that toe. She was in a lot of pain."" Umm....umm... yeah Cal, sounds like she was not exaggerating this time.  :(

"" to hit her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone.""  But yeah Cal, let's not rush her up to the Urgent Care clinic immediately ( I realize you do not have insurance on her so an urgent care clinic is obviously much less cost-prohibitive )  but instead let's "sleep on it", and wake up the next day and take her to the hospital the next day.  :(

""Right now, she is more interested in bitching about the product rather than about the solution."" Wow, incredibly caring attitude to have about a woman who just nearly had her toe amputated.  :( Someone needs to give you a good ass-kicking Cal.

""Of course, I will pay them in any case to ensure her health."" Wow, I feel bad you were so terribly inconvenienced. I am so sorry for you Cal.

""I addition to everything else, Lisa lost a crown on one of her teeth.  I need to make an appointment with her dentist (cash) to address the problem.""  Yeah, that is what happens Cal when you make the really terrible decision of not having dental insurance on your Ukrainian Wife.

I am pretty disgusted that no other members of RWD but Pitbull and myself spoke up and voiced our disapproval of Cal's behavior. At my main internet bodybuilding board, 99% of the men there love their wives / GF's to death, and a post like Cals would absolutely be met with condemnation from nearly every member. But here on RWD, all the vets are patting Cal on the back, saying things like .....ML " Doug, WOW thanks for sharing this interesting story.""....or Jone ""Geeze Doug.

Sometimes you throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Don't sleep on the couch.  If you have problems with the waterbed, get a new one.  Life is too short.  And you're making plenty of money that you can afford it. ""

Or SouthernX's comment giving good ole' Doug a jolly old pat on the back.

I am sorry, but there is a reason only a handful of guys post on RWD. The lurkers who lurk as guests are invariable pretty disgusted with the behavior and attitudes of the majority of the vets here on RWD. Boorish behavior like this would never, ever be tolerated on my bodybuilding message board....there are too many outstanding Husbands and BF's on my bodybuilding board and we are too extremely protective of women there to tolerate the kind of behavior that is allowed and even condoned and championed here on RWD.

I am just shaking my head in disgust. This is not how I was raised to treat a woman. My Dad and Mom raised me to treat women much better than this. My friends all treat women much better than this. Probably why I feel no real compelling reason to ever post on RWD.  Just read, but really no reason for me to ever post.


+100


My favorite part was him being a cheapskate to the point of not buying even basic catastrophic insurance for his wife and blaming it on Obamacare. Priceless  :clapping:
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 24, 2017, 04:16:34 PM
If you are fine with a woman creating fake profiles to test you, then two birds of a feather is no problem.

Personally I would have an issue with a woman that did so.



In international dating, I would have no problem with a FSU woman testing me. I remember a few FSU women here saying they did that to their man. I never thought less of them for doing so.  International dating isn't like dating at home where you can date every few days and wait months or years before deciding on marriage. There's plenty of time to naturally evaluate the person you're dating. There's less time and less dates to evaluate a person in international dating before we need to make a decision. These women are ready to change their whole lives and leave everything behind for a man. A lot of these men are losers or cheaters who masked their defects in the few dates they had with a lady in the FSU. If the guy still had a profile up after proposing marriage to a woman, I think it would be wise for a woman to test her man before dedicating her life to him. If he passes the test, she'll love him even more. That is a benefit coming from testing. Of course some guys never learn to trust, even after dozens of tests. Also why would a woman still have her profile up after she accepts a marriage proposal? No profile means there can be no test.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2017, 04:50:37 PM
Of course you did.
But you just did it by sending a naked pic of your equipment.
No, women arnt generally interested in off road motorcycles.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: southernX on August 24, 2017, 05:03:00 PM
Quote
Or SouthernX's comment giving good ole' Doug a jolly old pat on the back.

treadmilledude ??  really where did i do that ??

think your drawing a long bow there mate

doug your story has likeneses to my wifes reaction to such events

when things go wrong i always get a call and am expected to ''fix it ''imediately , thats what hubbies do  ;)

its good to highlight the normal side to life , not just the good stuff

i would buy a new bed asap if i where you , couch is no place to sleep , unless your a cat or dog &  even then in our place they get short shrift out the door  ;D

SX

i said it had similarities to my wifes reaction to such events ..ie she does expect me to be her fixer 24/7 ,  as i am happy to accept that responsibility and always have ''fixed '' whatever it is immediately

she will often do her quince and lose it when something doesnt work or is broken etc , scream in terror at a terrakan or spider , she is a girly , girl ,   thats her way , there lies the similarity , nothing more or less


as for the rest of his story , i did not comment 

SX 
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2017, 05:04:57 PM

In international dating, I would have no problem with a FSU woman testing me. I remember a few FSU women here saying they did that to their man. I never thought less of them for doing so.  International dating isn't like dating at home where you can date every few days and wait months or years before deciding on marriage. There's plenty of time to naturally evaluate the person you're dating. There's less time and less dates to evaluate a person in international dating before we need to make a decision. These women are ready to change their whole lives and leave everything behind for a man. A lot of these men are losers or cheaters who masked their defects in the few dates they had with a lady in the FSU. If the guy still had a profile up after proposing marriage to a woman, I think it would be wise for a woman to test her man before dedicating her life to him. If he passes the test, she'll love him even more. That is a benefit coming from testing. Of course some guys never learn to trust, even after dozens of tests. Also why would a woman still have her profile up after she accepts a marriage proposal? No profile means there can be no test.

My comment was taken a bit out of context ,since I also stated clearly that it would not be a deal breaker,but that I would find it odd.

Because if i had given no reason to be distrusting, it would point mostly to her insecurities,  not really a positive trait, regardless if it's long distance dating or the girl next door.


My main point was that is how many women will feel about a man creating a fake profile to test them.

Sure some might think the man wise, most would just find him non trusting, and while not a deal breaker for them, they would likely find it odd.

Even odd chickens find a kernel of corn though.

Testing, as you said, can be harmful, if done,it  should be done with thought to how it reflects on you.

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: 2tallbill on August 24, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
I agree with Pitbull about Calmissile. I read his post yesterday I believe, and I was totally shocked at how, cold, callous and uncaring he seemed about his Ukrainian Wife. It sounds like he doesn't even really love her.

Wow I feel bad for your wife. No health insurance? Have you at least bought her a car? (Doesn't sound like you did or she would have driven herself to the ER or at least a Minute clinic). Putting up with a grumpy old man 30 years her senior without basic needs taken care of - what was she running from?


Obamacare made Health insurance super expensive for the self employed. Many people
now just pay for whatever their expenses are because the insurance is affordable.

None of you know Doug or his wife and it's best to focus on your argument and not his
wife.

That's my two kopecks,

Bill 
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: GQBlues on August 24, 2017, 05:34:35 PM
pitbull/TMD~

I am surprised you're both surprised (LMAO) of such revelation from a gathering of men (erm) advocating 101 ways and/or stages in how to *test/play [mind] games* with foreign women to judge their sincerity. Women, btw, whom they profess to be favorably *different* compared to those that rejected them at home to begin with.

It's the MOB folks!

~ her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone~ What a visual!
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2017, 05:57:29 PM
pitbull/TMD~

I am surprised you're both surprised (LMAO) of such revelation from a gathering of men (erm) advocating 101 ways and/or stages in how to *test/play [mind] games* with foreign women to judge their sincerity. Women, btw, whom they profess to be favorably *different* compared to those that rejected them at home to begin with.

It's the MOB folks!

~ her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone~ What a visual!

LOL! It is more than a tad ironic.

You know what hurts?

The truth.

Anyway, welcome back GQ,even if it's a brief drive by.It's all I've had time for lately myself.

Unrelated, but perhaps amusing since it also hurt.
 I did tear my big toenail off when I first met my wife.Opened a door to my flat in Crimea,  and me being the beach bum that I am had on flip flops,with  the doors bottom edge the perfect height to catch the nail and swoosh it off in one swoop ,if one was so foolish as to have your foot there when opening the door.

My tongue probably endured more injury from biting it to avoid swearing than the toe.
 Just  proof that even an idiot that isnt smart enough to not injure himself just opening a door,  can marry a woman. Happens all the time around the world. :)
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 24, 2017, 05:59:23 PM

Obamacare made Health insurance super expensive for the self employed. Many people
now just pay for whatever their expenses are because the insurance is affordable.

None of you know Doug or his wife and it's best to focus on your argument and not his
wife.

That's my two kopecks,

Bill


Yeah right. If they are too poor they would have received a subsidy. Not being able to afford even a basic plan for one person - I just do not believe it. Just an old irresponsible cheapskate who prefers to endanger his wife and his whole family's well-being.


Like he's going to pay out of pocket if (heaven forbid) something serious happens to her.


I bet he himself has health insurance!
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 24, 2017, 06:06:01 PM
pitbull/TMD~

I am surprised you're both surprised (LMAO) of such revelation from a gathering of men (erm) advocating 101 ways and/or stages in how to *test/play [mind] games* with foreign women to judge their sincerity. Women, btw, whom they profess to be favorably *different* compared to those that rejected them at home to begin with.

It's the MOB folks!

~ her toe and remove the nail (100%) as well as tear into the flesh to the bone~ What a visual!


LOL!  :-* [size=78%] If only you were not a Republican![/size]


I also like the general direction of advice:


No need to be a better person for them FSUW. Just be your old --a**hole self. You can always find one desperate enough to put up with what you really are.  :clapping:
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2017, 06:13:21 PM
Hey now pitbull!
I have embarked in self improvement!
I haven't been stupid enough to remove my toenail by a door in the last 7 years!
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: ML on August 24, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
Those of you who criticize Doug are misguided.

He has and will continue to do the utmost to give his wife and daughter the very best of everything.

I know he would spend his last dime and sell his kidneys to take care of both of them.

Perhaps he is a little too honest in telling that he might yell, but he has always been very honest in all that he writes here.

Others may be no different than him, but are less honest.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Anotherkiwi on August 24, 2017, 06:49:36 PM
Wow I feel bad for your wife. No health insurance? Have you at least bought her a car? (Doesn't sound like you did or she would have driven herself to the ER or at least a Minute clinic). Putting up with a grumpy old man 30 years her senior without basic needs taken care of - what was she running from?

Yeah right. If they are too poor they would have received a subsidy. Not being able to afford even a basic plan for one person - I just do not believe it. Just an old irresponsible cheapskate who prefers to endanger his wife and his whole family's well-being.

Like he's going to pay out of pocket if (heaven forbid) something serious happens to her.

I bet he himself has health insurance!

Pitbull, you know that you are one of my favourite people on here, and calmissile probably isn't because he's far too Republican for my tastes  :o, but I think you're out of line on this one.  Considering the cost of health insurance, which EVERY American guy on this forum bitches about ALL the time, I would think it quite possible that calmissile prefers to pay for everything himself.  At his age it's quite likely that he can't even GET health insurance or, if he can, that the premiums far exceed his reasonable expected medical expenses, or that the coverage would be extremely limited.  If he has enough money in the bank, and the confidence that his health is OK, then that's his prerogative.  Unlike Bee Farmer, I don't necessarily think that the colour of his skin indicates that a heart attack is imminent.  If he feels that he can provide for his wife and daughter as well, without buying separate policies for them, why shouldn't he?  I certainly read his story differently from the way you've understood it.

She rang him to tell him what happened.  Sure, it turned out to be more serious than he expected, but it was nowhere near life threatening.  I'm sure that Larisa was quite capable of ringing for an ambulance if she felt that it was that serious.  As for driving a car to the clinic - have YOU ever tried driving with a foot in that condition?  I know damned well that I wouldn't even consider it!

As for being a "cheapskate" who would "endanger his wife" - no.  Anyone who has read his whole story would never consider that for a second.  There's an underlying irony to the way he wrote it which you seem to have completely missed.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 24, 2017, 06:50:41 PM




Others may be no different than him, but are less honest.

I am afraid you are correct.  The sad reality of MOB
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: 2tallbill on August 24, 2017, 06:51:21 PM

Yeah right. If they are too poor they would have received a subsidy. Not being able to afford even a basic plan for one person - I just do not believe it. Just an old irresponsible cheapskate who prefers to endanger his wife and his whole family's well-being.

Like he's going to pay out of pocket if (heaven forbid) something serious happens to her.


I bet he himself has health insurance!

If he's over 65 he's probably got medicare.

My healthcare went up by $700 per month in year one of Obamacare and
$200 more the second year. It went up by $10,800 per year for me. While
I did pay it I really, really didn't like it.

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 24, 2017, 06:54:13 PM
Pitbull, you know that you are one of my favourite people on here, and calmissile probably isn't because he's far too Republican for my tastes  :o, but I think you're out of line on this one.  Considering the cost of health insurance, which EVERY American guy on this forum bitches about ALL the time, I would think it quite possible that calmissile prefers to pay for everything himself.  At his age it's quite likely that he can't even GET health insurance or, if he can, that the premiums far exceed his reasonable expected medical expenses, or that the coverage would be extremely limited.  If he has enough money in the bank, and the confidence that his health is OK, then that's his prerogative.  Unlike Bee Farmer, I don't necessarily think that the colour of his skin indicates that a heart attack is imminent.  If he feels that he can provide for his wife and daughter as well, without buying separate policies for them, why shouldn't he?  I certainly read his story differently from the way you've understood it.

She rang him to tell him what happened.  Sure, it turned out to be more serious than he expected, but it was nowhere near life threatening.  I'm sure that Larisa was quite capable of ringing for an ambulance if she felt that it was that serious.  As for driving a car to the clinic - have YOU ever tried driving with a foot in that condition?  I know damned well that I wouldn't even consider it!

As for being a "cheapskate" who would "endanger his wife" - no.  Anyone who has read his whole story would never consider that for a second.  There's an underlying irony to the way he wrote it which you seem to have completely missed.

I am pretty sure he has Medicare.
And no, he does not have enough cash to pay for her if something serious or even semi-serious happens, if he doesn't have the money to buy her basic insurance.
This is very irresponsible
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: 2tallbill on August 24, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
Hey now pitbull!
I have embarked in self improvement!
I haven't been stupid enough to remove my toenail by a door in the last 7 years!

I removed a toenail by hitting an invisible stump that was covered in leaves
and simply pinning my toe between the pegs and the stump and shazaam
the toenail was gone.

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: calmissile on August 24, 2017, 09:18:58 PM
I am pretty sure he has Medicare.
And no, he does not have enough cash to pay for her if something serious or even semi-serious happens, if he doesn't have the money to buy her basic insurance.
This is very irresponsible

Your about as dumb as a post!  First to attack my wife and her choices is against the forum rules.  Of course you make up your own rules.  First of all she had insurance prior to leaving for 2 months to Ukraine.  She will have a gold plan as soon as we figure out how the enrolling mess.  We have never needed to use insurance.  It is much easier and faster to just pay cash and be out out there.  I agree that she should be covered for catastrophic circumstances and that is what we are doing.  Second, it is none of your business!

Comparing yourself or your standards to my wife is crazy.  She is at least 10 X the woman you are.  You are just an old bag trolling for effect.  Who cares what you think (other than the other troll on here).  Based on your posts, I would guess that she is much better educated than you and certainly has a much  better personality.

You might fool or influence a few members that have never met us in person, but a number of members have had private Skype video conference chats and I doubt any one of them would agree with your characterizations of either of us.

As to whether I ever bought her a car?  What a stupid question!  If you spent as much time reading my trip reports and updates as you do trolling, you would have already read the story about her getting her drivers license and her car(s).  We just sold her Mercedes 560SL because she wanted a soccer-mom van.  She got what she wanted.

Now please go back to your miserable life and put me on ignore.   
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 24, 2017, 10:00:47 PM
Your about as dumb as a post!  First to attack my wife and her choices is against the forum rules.  Of course you make up your own rules.  First of all she had insurance prior to leaving for 2 months to Ukraine.  She will have a gold plan as soon as we figure out how the enrolling mess.  We have never needed to use insurance.  It is much easier and faster to just pay cash and be out out there.  I agree that she should be covered for catastrophic circumstances and that is what we are doing.  Second, it is none of your business!

Comparing yourself or your standards to my wife is crazy.  She is at least 10 X the woman you are.  You are just an old bag trolling for effect.  Who cares what you think (other than the other troll on here).  Based on your posts, I would guess that she is much better educated than you and certainly has a much  better personality.

You might fool or influence a few members that have never met us in person, but a number of members have had private Skype video conference chats and I doubt any one of them would agree with your characterizations of either of us.

As to whether I ever bought her a car?  What a stupid question!  If you spent as much time reading my trip reports and updates as you do trolling, you would have already read the story about her getting her drivers license and her car(s).  We just sold her Mercedes 560SL because she wanted a soccer-mom van.  She got what she wanted.

Now please go back to your miserable life and put me on ignore.
Quit bragging about how you mistreat your wife because you can and she puts up with it and you won't get my attention.
If a good smack on the behind here pushes you to buy insurance for your wife, I consider it a good day for me.
You can call her putting up with your abusive behavior a "good personality" - I call it bad English and complete dependence.
Enjoy it while you can.
And I never compared myself to your wife,
Would never occur to me. We are just way too different. I would never find myself in her situation
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: GQBlues on August 24, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
Here are some 'effects' in this raving thread.

 Fuller Brush Roto Sweeper (http://www.asseenontvwebstore.com/mobile/product.aspx?ProductCode=spin%2Dbroom&404;http://www.asseenontvwebstore.com:80/Roto-Sweep-By-Fuller-Brush-p/spin-broom.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsM-549Hx1QIVSF9-Ch2DwQMyEAQYASABEgJ2zPD_BwE) as *seen on TV.

No cords, no batteries, weighs less than 2 pounds. It's like a push sweeper with rotating brushes as you push/pull the unit on the floor. They must've opted for an upgrade model on steroid, from that $20 dollar variety, to do that much damage, dunno.

At the OP's age and still working means that, according to SSA's website, he gets full retirement benefit despite earning an income. IIRC, there's a fairly hefty amount of earnings before they even make any formulated reductions, if they actually even do this at all now. So money should not be a problem even for Obamacare. Especially considering premiums are taken off the top. Urgent care is hardly expensive. Most metropolitan neighborhood have one every 10-15 city block. It is however interesting why the wife and child aren't covered through the OP's work policy.

Man, in the drone and spaceX age, people still sleep on waterbeds? Then I guess when one springs a leak in one might I suggest, as seen on TV (since we're on this theme) the wonderful Flex Tape! Guaranteed not to take a bite at your toes!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0xzN6FM5x_E

 :P

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: GQBlues on August 24, 2017, 11:18:45 PM
..And I never compared myself to your wife,
Would never occur to me. We are just way too different. I would never find myself in her situation

 :P

Are you sure you aren't even itsy-bitsy curious how life can be like having a hubby yelling at you because he believes it's *normal* in relationships/marriages?
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: fathertime on August 25, 2017, 05:27:10 AM
Tomorrow, I expect to take her to the clinic (she has no insurance, thanks to Obamacare) and will get her a toe X-Ray to see if it is broken.
You should get her health insurance.  It is the law, which apparently you are breaking and blaming Obamacare is a just an excuse.  Why would you skip over health insurance, one of the few things that is pretty much a must?  You are in your mid 70's, and definitely have a reduced life/time span, I wouldn't worry about 'what is cheaper' as it pertains to your wife's health.


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2017, 09:34:23 AM
My main point was that is how many women will feel about a man creating a fake profile to test them.



Most people wouldn't like it. Getting tested means there isn't 100% trust. Giving someone a 100% trust is not wise with someone you haven't lived with. Companies put cameras all over the place because they figured out humans are not 100% trustworthy. Go figure. Yet guys here at the forum got it all figured out and feel confident the woman their involved with only opens her legs for them.

Getting back to your point, most women would not like to be tested but deep down they know it's a good thing. Say their future son grows up and does a thing that most people think is crazy....which is go find a wife overseas. They tell their sons they are going to get used for a green card go broke marrying a gold digger. They ask their son how can they trust someone they had little face to face time with. So if the son responds that he doesn't have all the answers and can't read a person 100% like some of the experts here and did a test, mommy may feel a little relief son isn't so gullible. Ronald Reagan said "Trust but verify". He made deals with the Soviets but he didn't trust them 100% so he verified they were keeping their end of the bargain. Anybody here smarter than Reagan? If a guy sees a woman's profile up after they are engaged to be married, I think it's smart of him to learn if that profile is active.


Those of you who criticize Doug are misguided.

He has and will continue to do the utmost to give his wife and daughter the very best of everything.

I know he would spend his last dime and sell his kidneys to take care of both of them.

Perhaps he is a little too honest in telling that he might yell, but he has always been very honest in all that he writes here.

Others may be no different than him, but are less honest.


Doug has always spoke highly of his wife. She has brought him lots of happiness. If she's happy, Doug is doing something right. Health insurance is important but it's also a product that is a rip off. It's only good for catastrophic events which is rare. I'm sure Doug will get her the medical attention his wife needs without the need for government health care. His money would probably buy better doctors anyway.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 25, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
I'd counter 100% trust isn't needed if you are just building the relationship, a trusting mentality is.
As you mentioned,  what do you do when you dont have enough face to face time.
How about continuing the relationship until you both do have that level of confidence and trust.There is no clock ticking on when to get married.
The main constraint guys have is time and money, so basically they would be unlikely to test with a fake profile a local girl, but will a girl overseas.That's some mighty fine justification of costs vs behavior.
  Yes if you are the point of being exclusive, neither should have a profile up anyway, so we arnt discussing that.


When not exclusive yet, what I felt we were discussing,  that kind of testing is taken as odd, and not liked by most people for good reason.

The caveat here is if your romantic interest is on a pay site in the FSU, many of the agencies won't take it down even when she asks.u
They also swipe profiles from other sites etc, so just because a profile is up, doesn't really mean much.Learn about the person.
Some site I've never been a member of has an old profile of mine they stole off a site from  almost 2 decades ago.
 Knowing the person is the answer, there are no good shortcuts.
If entrapment style testing in an early phase of a relationship helps you sort out things, ok.It could easily harm things as well.
Personally I wouldn't, I'd communicate more,  visit more etc.
If I din't have the funds to get to know them to a comfortable level naturally,  I wouldn't chase women too far away and justify acting different because of the potential in increased dating costs.
That's basically what this boils down to.
 Everyone will have their own take and comfort level on doing such.
I'm sure whatever they decide they sleep fine at night.
I know I do.
:)



 
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: GQBlues on August 25, 2017, 01:58:16 PM
...That's basically what this boils down to.
 Everyone will have their own take and comfort level on doing such. I'm sure whatever they decide they sleep fine at night.
I know I do. :)

Succinctly put...

Reminds me of the immortal words by The Beatles' McCartney on the track titled 'The End' off the Abbey Road album ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4TcQlwcnAE

~ and in The End...the Love you take, is equal to the Love......you make! ~

- btw, this is one of a half dozen tracks where you can hear Ringo be a half-a-beat off on drums. Still great though..
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2017, 02:12:52 PM
As you mentioned,  what do you do when you dint have enough face to face time.
How about continuing the relationship until you both do have that level of confidence and trust.There is no



People have to make decisions with less face to face time in these international relationships. If a guy waits years to get the same face to face time with a lady overseas as he does if he dated a local lady for a few months, chances are he's going to get dumped. It's crazy enough for people to put their lives on hold for a person half way across the world.


When my wife determined I was the guy she wanted to meet, she invited me to Ukraine. Her mom had a vacation and they were living in Libya at the time. She gave me a timeframe when she'd be there. I had to make a decision. There were two college aged girls on work travel visas coming to stay with me. I wrote one, we got along, and I invited her to work and stay where I lived. She asked if it were okay her friend came too. I couldn't answer my wife after her request but I did tell her to give me a few days to think about it and we'll get to know each other better to make sure this is what we want. I knew I could not delay much longer than a few days or she will move on. Fortunately those other two girls made my decision easy. They stopped in NY and a few friends there begged them to stay in NY. They agreed


If a guy keeps telling a lady he needs more time, face to face time, time to be sure, time to get to know the woman, he is going to get dumped often. I started another thread and showing newbies how easy and quick it is to find quality women. Women want a man who can judge character quick. Guys who are slow aren't too bright, so they get left behind and guys who make the move, get the girls. When a girl like my wife asks me to take it to the next level from correspondence to a meeting, I have a short time to make a decision. Girls like that don't hang around guys that are indecisive.


When not exclusive yet, what I felt we were discussing,  that kind of testing is taken as odd, and not liked by most people for good reason.



Doesn't matter what people like. People need to take care of #1. In my book, #1 is me. I don't blame men or women protecting themselves. Lots of people out there want to take advantage of others looking for love. People can test before becoming exclusive. Many people here think Trenchcoat is cheap and greedy. Trench feels he got involved with materialistic women who may use him for shopping trips or vacations. Let's assume Trench is correct that the women he's involved with are insincere so that means Trench's ability to evaluate women are lacking. For him, a test would keep him out of trouble. He writes a woman, he thinks she likes him and things are going well, but this time before making a commitment to visit the woman, he tests her with another profile of a man who is offering money for a meeting. Trench will be able to understand if the woman is into money and be willing to trade her body for that.


After hearing enough cases of men marrying gold diggers and green card girls who are leeches and will milk social programs, good people and are a drain on society, I've concluded those men need help. If a guy or girl has a habit of getting involved with all the wrong people, it doesn't make them bad but they need help.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 25, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
Those justifications are based on some preconceived idea they must both find a wife, and look abroad.Neither of those things are required in their life, it's a choice.
If they choose to look abroad they can accept the risks involved or justify sketchy behavior to posdibly mitigate the  risks.

The likely  reality is: if they can't tell the difference by the time they get to the alter of being used as visa mule, then a fake profile or two is actually quite  unlikely to save them. It may change who takes them for a ride, but not that they get ridden.
Yes, that's just one opinion.


Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2017, 07:49:19 PM
If they choose to look abroad they can accept the risks involved



Some people have more risks than others and have to rely on luck in life to get through it. Relying on luck is not a smart way to get through life.


or justify sketchy behavior to posdibly mitigate the  risks.



Mitigating risks is smart. I've given drug tests to employees who I've had face to face time with. I don't consider tests given to people that never met as sketchy behavior. Some people waste more time with all the wrong people than others. The wrong people need to be discarded quickly. I don't do some of the things I recommend to people but they need to stop wasting time with the wrong people instead of bringing them over to our country for the taxpayers to deal with. If they weren't born smarter than me and don't have enough brain power to figure it out, they can use a test to make up for the tools they lack in the head. I consider it more of a smart move on their part than unethical behavior.


The likely  reality is: if they can't tell the difference by the time they get to the alter of being used as visa mule, then a fake profile or two is actually quite  unlikely to save them. It may change who takes them for a ride, but not that they get ridden.



A fake profile and test is not designed to improve guy's life forever. It's only designed to remove some of the bad girls that enter into his life. When a good girl appears, then he's got to figure out how to win her over and keep her.

There is a high percentage of divorce in America. These people have dated the natural way with a lot of face to face time with less pressure to seal the deal. For those who remain married, many are not happy with their choice. The rate of truly successful marriages is low. I don't have confidence the majority of people can get it right before walking down the alter.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: msmob on August 25, 2017, 09:03:21 PM




Doesn't matter what people like. People need to take care of #1. In my book, #1 is me.
  .

..until you are married.... right ?

Many people here think Trenchcoat is cheap and greedy.

Because he IS .... 

Trench feels he got involved with materialistic women who may use him for shopping trips or vacations. Let's assume Trench is correct that the women he's involved with are insincere so that means Trench's ability to evaluate women are lacking. For him, a test would keep him out of trouble.



Your 'test' ...  not my style... and I doubt most others. ... I certainly would not recommend such stunts
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 25, 2017, 09:11:01 PM

Some people have more risks than others and have to rely on luck in life to get through it. Relying on luck is not a smart way to get through life.

They don't have more risks in this case, unless they voluntarily choose to take them.
They then choose how they will behave while doing so.

Quote
Mitigating risks is smart. I've given drug tests to employees who I've had face to face time with. I don't consider tests given to people that never met as sketchy behavior. Some people waste more time with all the wrong people than others. The wrong people need to be discarded quickly. I don't do some of the things I recommend to people but they need to stop wasting time with the wrong people instead of bringing them over to our country for the taxpayers to deal with. If they weren't born smarter than me and don't have enough brain power to figure it out, they can use a test to make up for the tools they lack in the head. I consider it more of a smart move on their part than unethical behavior.

 The person they test,whether failing or passing,will likely find it border line unethical.
 
They arnt trying to win your heart,or mine, so our opinions about it mean little, They are trying to win the woman's heart.
Many local woman would find it offensive ,so do FSU women in general, ,and it could easily bring issues into a burgeoning relationship.




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A fake profile and test is not designed to improve guy's life forever. It's only designed to remove some of the bad girls that enter into his life. When a good girl appears, then he's got to figure out how to win her over and keep heur.

 That's real good ,right up to the point he needed to test in an entrapment style,  because he couldn't take the time to get to know her. 
Plus he needs to come clean about it ,or hide it,both are issues to many a good woman.

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There is a high percentage of divorce in America. These people have dated the natural way with a lot of face to face time with less pressure to seal the deal. For those who remain married, many are not happy with their choice. The rate of truly successful marriages is low. I don't have confidence the majority of people can get it right before walking down the alter.


Yeap,so starting out on grey unethical areas will build that percentage right up?
 Again reality sets in that no matter what ,the odds are that ultimately you won't be compatible long term.
  That has very little to do with good or bad people, good people get divorced all the time.

Good for each other is the key.

 A foundation of any relationship is trust and respect .

 Starting out distrustful and disrespectful  to justify saving time ,poor social skills, not enough  time or money, all because of choosing to voluntarily look abroad?
That warms any woman's heart.

They need to win her heart ,,completely .and her respect.
 That's a   tie that binds.One of the biggest steps to that is being respectful. and  a man of your word.



I dint rely on luck. One of the reasons my wife fell in love with me is I respected her from the start.
The distance she lived from  me , and where she lived   did not dictate
my thoughts about her ,or dating.

It seems I'm debating you BillyB,  on this.
I dont intend it that way.
you have your ideas about it , I have mine. Unlikely to chsnge.


My posts are for new guys thinking of doing this, that they should consider how it reflects on them , good bad or indifferent.

If the woman of your dreams finds its a clever means to an end,respects and admires you for it, she's the one for you right?

I'm just pointing out that might be a tad lower percentage than the ones that don't find it quite as clever.

Now,  back to watching the hurricane unfold since I'm in Texas .
Lol
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: treadmilldude on August 25, 2017, 09:30:56 PM
This post is meant to be a teachable moment for our neighborhood bully and wife abuser, the 76 YO angry, eternally pissed-off, overweight American Engineer who married the 46 YO Ukrainian woman with a Child. I believe we all know who I am referring to, Calmissile.


Screaming at your wife will destroy your marriage

When couples resort to screaming at each other instead of communicating it can destroy a marriage.

Screaming and Swearing

When did it become acceptable to scream and swear at your spouse, this is one of the worst forms of communication that takes place in a marriage?

When couples resort to screaming, yelling and swearing at each other the respect and the foundation of the marriage will deteriorate. A spouse under no circumstance has the right to treat the other person in that manner. The end result of this type of communication is that the person who is being screamed at will eventually become numb to their spouse and all of the love, affection and respect they had for each other will vanish. When two people disrespect each other in this way neither persons point will be heard and there will be no resolution to the problem.

Being a Bully

Screaming and swearing is a part of being a bully and trying to dominate and control the other person in the marriage. The person doing the screaming may think that they have gotten the other person to change or agree with them but the truth is that they just bullied the other spouse and forced them into a corner. No one likes to be screamed at or called names; the person who uses this type of communication usually has low self esteem and a lack of proper communication skills.

Changing your spouses behavior will not work you must start with your own to save your marriage

When there is a problem in the marriage and it is causing the marriage to fail, one or both of the spouses will often look to the other spouse to change in the situation.

Stop Taking The Abuse

If your spouse treats you in this manner then you must put a stop to it, this is unacceptable behavior and must not be tolerated.

The screaming may be a man at a woman, but the truth is that there are many wives that also bully their husbands.

How do we change a marriage in which a spouse screams, calls name and puts you down?

The answer is you walk away from them, you leave the house, you pack your bags and you go. Unless you change the way in which you respond to them they will continue to bully you. You have to stand up for yourself and not allow this to happen. Many times a spouse will justify this behavior and say that the person can’t control or it or that they have a short temper, or other excuses that they can think of. The truth is that most people can control their temper, but they choose not to because they have been allowed to get away with the bad behavior.

One way to prove this scenario that they do indeed have control is:

Ask yourself these questions:

Do they fly off the handle at work?

Do they act this way around friends?

Do they act this way in public?

Have you seen them control their temper?

If you answered yes to any of these questions then the spouse that is bullying you can control their temper they are just choosing not to around you.

If your spouse truly can’t control their temper then, you need to leave and stay with someone safe, that is a person who has allowed themselves to be out of control and may become violent, this is more prevalent in a spouse that gets angered after drinking or is taking drugs.

Most people are able to control themselves if expected to

The majority of bulling from a spouse though can be controlled and if you want the name calling and yelling to stop then you must do something dramatic to let them know that you are serious and you have had enough. Living in a marriage with a spouse that yells at you and calls you names is not normal and can be very damaging to your self-esteem and raising children in that type of environment. Tell your spouse calmly and directly that you will leave the next time that they behave in this manner and put an end to it now, but make sure that you do leave!



We'll see if RWD's resident Wife abuser takes this to heart.....or if he continues to abuse his 46 YO Ukrainian Wife.



Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2017, 09:51:34 PM
  ...until you are married.... right ?



If you can't take care of #1, yourself, you aren't capable of taking care of anybody else. Just like in the plane, put your oxygen mask on first before helping others. I've taken care of myself well and because I'm in a good position in life, it translates to my wife also getting taken care of well.


They don't have more risks in this case, unless they voluntarily choose to take them.



Some guys are better prepared than others when it comes to judging people. Those who do not judge well have more risk with every new person they meet as they are more likely to bring the wrong people into their lives.


The person they test,whether failing or passing,will likely find it border line unethical.
 
They arnt trying to win your heart,or mine, so our opinions about it mean little, They are trying to win the woman's heart.



That is the problem with many guys and it gets them in trouble. They are trying to win the heart of a person they never met. Could be a bad woman. They need to evaluate the women on the internet before trying to win their heart.


A foundation of any relationship is trust and respect .



For people who never met, there is no relationship so people shouldn't get their feelings hurt. Trust and respect has to be earned. Earlier we discussed people in relationships and if they should be tested if they had their profile up during this time. You wanted to discuss people that aren't in a relationship a few posts ago so I assumed we're still on that road.


It seems I'm debating you BillyB,  on this.
I dont intend it that way.
you have your ideas about it , I have mine. Unlikely to chsnge.



Debating isn't a bad thing. I enjoy debates. I just don't see this as a good vs. evil thing. If a man or woman uses tools and techniques to get ahead in life, it's not wrong if it doesn't cause others harm. If a woman tests me, I don't have anything to worry about so no harm done. I'd actually respect her for protecting herself by not wanting to get involved with the lame and losers of the world.



Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: msmob on August 25, 2017, 10:05:59 PM

If you can't take care of #1, yourself, you aren't capable of taking care of anybody else. Just like in the plane, put your oxygen mask on first before helping others.

Trust you to think of one of a few circumstances where thinking of no.1 IS thinking about yourself... 

You know VERY well, what I meant about marriage...  do you think how this will help my life better or our life, Billy ?

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
Trust you to think of one of a few circumstances where thinking of no.1 IS thinking about yourself... 

You know VERY well, what I meant about marriage...  do you think how this will help my life better or our life, Billy ?


If I want to take good care of myself, part of doing that is taking care of my wife, who then in turns take good care of me. I buy her a better car and clothes than I drive or wear. She's happy and give me unconditional love. If you love your wife and kids and the plane is losing oxygen, you put your mask on first to save their lives. That isn't being selfish. Best to judge me not by what I say, but by the people who live with me.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: msmob on August 25, 2017, 11:09:58 PM
Best to judge me not by what I say, but by the people who live with me.

Best not to post bizarre, then.

Of course buying nice things is thinking of your partner - but even then you managed to explain why it benefits you.....

Q: Would you take a bullet for your missus' ?

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2017, 11:56:32 PM
Of course buying nice things is thinking of your partner - but even then you managed to explain why it benefits you.....



I did explain why it benefits me. I'll do it again. If I take care of my wife well, she takes care of me well and gives me love. I do what I need to get what I want. Achieving the goal of taking care of me is not always about selfish actions. Also, it's not what I buy for her that's important, what's important is she realizes I take care of her better than myself.


Q: Would you take a bullet for your missus' ?



Would I die for my country? The goal is to make the other guy die for his country. I'd risk my life defending my wife but I keep bullets in the house for the other guy.


Moby, if I was really selfish and a guy who'd run away from protecting his wife, do you think I'd still be married to a girl this long who can pick any guy she wants? Don't worry about me. If I'm a bad husband, my wife has to deal with it and I'll have to deal with it, not you.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: msmob on August 26, 2017, 12:07:37 AM
Once again, Billy you're being 'smart' rather than dealing with a direct question - well, that what I feel ..!

I'm FAR more worried about how you try to present yourself - as I'm sure you're much more sensible that your posts suggest
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Anotherkiwi on August 26, 2017, 04:48:35 AM
You sound more like a loser liberal, progressive, socialist than someone than have a 'teaching moment'.  :)

No!  A thousand times NOOOOOOOO!  I don't agree with treadmilldude's post, but don't compare his attitudes with those of "liberal, progressive, socialists" - who, by the way, are no more likely to be "losers" than any conservative, stick-in-the-mud Republican.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Anotherkiwi on August 26, 2017, 04:52:10 AM
You should get her health insurance.  It is the law, which apparently you are breaking and blaming Obamacare is a just an excuse.  Why would you skip over health insurance, one of the few things that is pretty much a must?  You are in your mid 70's, and definitely have a reduced life/time span, I wouldn't worry about 'what is cheaper' as it pertains to your wife's health.

Did you miss something, fathertime?  Calmissile posted again, about eight hours before this post of yours, stating the situation concerning his wife's health insurance.  I suggest that you read it.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: fathertime on August 26, 2017, 04:57:17 AM


Because I did not yet put you on "Ignore". I was blessed with reading your post :)

Calmissile likes to put people on ignore right up until they post!   :D



Please provide ANY evidence that I swear at my wife! 

What you didn't deny here is that you do scream at your wife, maybe TMD added in the cursing part.  Frankly I"d own it if I were you.  For better or worse, if that is how you make the marriage work, (Assuming that is the case).  Yelling, cursing, is not the greatest way to communicate, especially in front of the little girl, but I can get that teaching an old dog a new trick (You) wouldn't be easy either for you to change, if that is how you are used to getting your point across.


I'd just mention that trying to have a bit of patience/perspective would probably help you  avoid these types of angry communication breakdowns.  I've made efforts myself to attempt to show just a bit more patience in situations that I may not have in the past, especially if I think the intent is good on her end.  At your age, and with your unhealthy skin color (According to Bee Farmer), it is probably best to just have a nice Stroh's beer and chuckle about some of your impatience rather than lowering the boom on her! 




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Fathertime!   
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: fathertime on August 26, 2017, 05:11:51 AM
Did you miss something, fathertime?  Calmissile posted again, about eight hours before this post of yours, stating the situation concerning his wife's health insurance.  I suggest that you read it.


He earlier stated he doesn't have health insurance, and later said what 'he is doing' is catastrophic health insurance for his wife.  I'm not sure if he has DONE IT, or is in the process of "DOING IT", which is why I made the rather flat comment.


  I'd say getting regular insurance is the right call, rather than merely covering catastrophic events.  Going to low cost clinics is not the way a man of his apparent wealth would normally go about covering his wife's health.  Catastrophic coverage is usually best for young people, if she is in her mid 40's, normally full insurance is the right choice.  My main thought is: Why go tight on something as important as health insurance for the spouse?  Is there something more important to spend the money on? If somebody was tight on funds and it was a matter of eating/rent money verses insurance,  it would be a different story, but that doesn't appear to be the case with Calmissile. 


Fathertime!     
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Anotherkiwi on August 26, 2017, 05:31:17 AM
...Going to low cost clinics is not the way a man of his apparent wealth would normally go about covering his wife's health.

Why do you equate cost with quality of care?  If calmissile has used that clinic before, with satisfactory results, why not use it again?  For all we know, it might only be a few minutes down the road, whereas the nearest hospital might be an hour away in peak traffic.  It might also be the location of his actual doctor's surgery.  Without getting into the Trenchcoat school of how to save money, that would seem to me to be a perfectly reasonable response.

And, as I posted before, I'm quite sure that Larisa would be able to work out if the injury was serious enough to need an ambulance callout.  The fact that she rang Doug rather than an ambulance, no matter how 911-ish the call to him may have seemed, indicates to me that she knew perfectly well just how severe her injury was.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: fathertime on August 26, 2017, 05:59:32 AM
Why do you equate cost with quality of care?  .


I think the quality of care is similar, but when using low cost services the wait time is longer, and the facilities aren't as good.  That said, you might be right.   Not enough information to say for sure.


Fathertime!
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: pitbull on August 26, 2017, 06:55:44 AM
You, are also about as dumb as a post.  The three of you should get together and claim you are the moral standard for the world.  :)

Because I did not yet put you on "Ignore". I was blessed with reading your post :)

Please provide ANY evidence that I swear at my wife!  You are so stupid, I don't think the forum can help you.  You have made multiple trips to Ukraine and spend your time in a gym becoming a muscle-man.  How boring!!  Do you really think that women want muscles exposed to rather have some tissue in the brain?  Your a loser!

You sound more like a loser liberal, progressive, socialist than someone than have a 'teaching moment'.  :)


Hahah what a dumb senile old goat! I love the logic again: People who think it is not okay to yell and abuse a spouse are "liberals". The abusers by extension are all conservatives of course.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 26, 2017, 07:43:08 AM
Quote
For people who never met, there is no relationship so people shouldn't get their feelings hurt. Trust and respect has to be earned. Earlier we discussed people in relationships and if they should be tested if they had their profile up during this time. You wanted to discuss people that aren't in a relationship a few posts ago so I assumed we're still on that road.

Your take is no harm,no foul.
 I agree it's not good vs evil.

My point,which you don't seemingly agree with ,
Is that a man is attempting to court a woman,  yes even before they meet.
His actions,then  and during courtship, speak far more than his words to any womsn,and particularly to FSU women.
 How she perceives the man from the very first moment is what they have to build upon.
 So brushing off initial impressions that she Is most  likely to have from being tested that way,the impression of a man with a  distrusting and disrespectful nature,  might be a bigger challenge for a socially less capable men,  than you suggest.

You don't have a problem with a woman testing you, again they arnt trying to make an impression of being a good respectful man on you.
  They are hopefully gaining the interest and trust of the women they encounter and hope to meet.

The first step to success is to be a man women are interested in,this is advice you offer and I completely agree with.

Many women would find the entrapment style of testing ,at any stage of communication, the actions of a lesser man.
(This is again despite whatever the highlight reel in the *clever* man's  head shows, it's the womans thoughts that matter)

Sure *some* might view it as clever, and again I'll point out the blatantly obvious that far more good gals  would just find the action odd at best.
.Actions speaking louder than words ,so is that a great way to show you are a man worthy of respect ,trust and interest?
 A man so oddly self involved and worried that he *could be*  communicating with a woman that might, either speak with other men, or have sex for money if presented correctly,  that he needs to create a fake profile to do his due diligence , instead of using that time to meet her.?
That's how many good women will feel about it.
No the men doing so  did no harm to the womenn  by testing,just themselves in my opinion.
They might weed out some bad girls.They might run off many good women.

I agree no ones feelings should be hurt.

What they likely harmed was the woman's impression of them.



Guys thinking of entrapment style testing,  because they feel they have  trouble reading people, should instead build up their skill set,.
or make the wiser choice not to attempt to date in a completely different language and culture to their own.
 Suggesting those men  be wise by ignoring  the huge issue of language and cultutal barriers ,
 yet  using tests that would make them appear distrustful and disrespectful, is ignoring the big elephant in the room.


Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 26, 2017, 10:04:43 AM
My point,which you don't seemingly agree with ,
Is that a man is attempting to court a woman,  yes even before they meet.
His actions,then  and during courtship, speak far more than his words to any womsn,and particularly to FSU women.
 


There's two periods that I'd consider a guy who can't read people well to test. One is after he gets engaged and if the woman he's engaged to leaves up her profile. The other is early in the correspondence. I do not consider that the courting phase but the introduction phase which is the time a guy has to decide if this woman is worth courting.


Say a guy writes a few letters and thinks the girl is interested in him. Before wasting weeks, months or years getting further involved with the woman, he writes from another profile with a proposal. If the woman is willing to open her legs for financial gain, the guy doesn't waste anymore of his life on the woman and moves on. Good women should be happy if men do this because they are not affected. Gold diggers who are aggressive when attraction men get the lions share of the attention. I'd estimate 5% of the FSU women out there are willing to trade their bodies for money, clothes, and other luxury items but could be getting 50% of the attention because they are experienced in catching men. My whole point to guys like Trenchcoat who seems to have trust issues with the women he meets is he should get the test out of the way early and when he's into courtship with a woman who passes the test, he needs to trust her in order to make the relationship grow.


I got a 15 yo son. Soon I'm going to talk to him about his future and about relationship in greater detail than I've talked to him in the past. I'm going to tell him when he chooses a woman, choose a high quality woman. I'm going to give him my definition of what a high quality woman is. Beautiful, good genes, good manners, intelligent, good heart.  I'm going to tell him how to avoid people who want to take advantage of him. I'm going to tell him not to get involved with a lady because you feel sorry for her. I'm going to tell him the mistakes I made and I didn't get educated like I'm about to educate him. When I was young, like most men, we are trying to figure out how to catch a woman in order to get our dicks wet the first time. Of course I thought it would best be done with love involved so I was looking to get into a serious relationship and my standards of a woman I'd accept were much less than it is today. Today my standards are much higher and I can catch a whole lot more women than when I was in better shape and had more hair on my head.


Guys thinking of entrapment style testing,  because they feel they have  trouble reading people, should instead build up their skill set,.



I'm all for improvement but some people have limitations. Trenchcoat could be one of those guys.

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 26, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
BillyB,
 I know your comment is to admin, and mods in general.
But  just to clarify things.
I did not move any post or thread. I could not even if I wanted to.

   I have not been a moderator here for quite some time , but the board has not been updated in a while regarding that information.


My guess is that TMD copy pasted his own post,  into this thread.
who knows, there are several possibilities .


Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 26, 2017, 10:27:08 AM
My guess is that TMD copy pasted his own post,  into this thread.



That could be true too.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 26, 2017, 11:13:27 PM
Jesus Christ. If you need to test someone you have an issue or should not be speaking to them.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 12:48:42 AM
Jesus Christ. If you need to test someone you have an issue or should not be speaking to them.


You mentioned elsewhere you are going to Odessa to visit a woman you wrote to on AnasastiaDate. Odessa is known to have a higher percentage of hookers and pro daters compared to other cities in the FSU. AnastasiaDate has been labeled the biggest scam agency around. I predict you are going to change your mind about this post after you learn the girl you wrote to was actually, Igor the employee of the month and when the girl in the photo shows up, she will know nothing of what you said in letters but she knows where she wants to eat and where to shop. I really hope you know how to read people and got things figured out. Most people here will bet money you're going to be taken for a ride.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 12:52:46 AM
We will see. I will be there in a week and know for sure. I will certainly not test her in any way once there.

edit, unless it is an STD test  ;)
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 01:03:59 AM
I will certainly not test her in any way once there.



You still believe the girl you were writing to is real and knows who you are? You can't test her because you were probably trading love letters with Igor, the employee of the month. You are also probably using all their services for apartments, interpreters, taxis, and are overpaying big time. Being a man that trusts so much, makes you more likely to get used.


We will see.



Since you believe trusting a person you never met makes you a man of integrity, when you do see, be a man and let us know how it worked out for you. Good luck. You'll need a lot of that.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 01:08:22 AM
I rented an apartment with Sea view on Airbnb the first week and a house on the beach for the second Billy. They have Uber in Ukraine now I am told.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 01:24:58 AM

Keeping the agency out of the equation is a good thing. The fact your'e 47 and the beautiful blonde girl is 21 lowers your odds of success. Only a few guys could pull that off. Also sending her brother money is not a good sign. Most sincere women will not ask or accept money from people they never met.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 01:28:33 AM
He was serving his country in the war torn East. I could tell her to eff off or send a few bucks for boots. As it is he lost his foot so no longer has the boots and is back home. I would feel like a dick if I arrived and her brother was sitting there missing his foot after I called her a liar.

I am a pretty good looking guy and look younger than my age. A member on the other site may meet me over there, you can ask him what I look like I guess.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 01:41:29 AM
I could tell her to eff off or send a few bucks for boots.



Why do you feel a need to say "no"? She asked you for the money and so you sent money for the boots. If it were a man you never met that asked you for money, you would tell him you wouldn't send money to a person you never met or to eff off.


As it is he lost his foot so no longer has the boots and is back home.



That was convenient. After you sent money, he didn't need to buy the boots anymore since he's missing a foot and thus out of the war. Good timing. If he did by boots and don't need them anymore, they were probably sold.


I would feel like a dick if I arrived and her brother was sitting there missing his foot after I called her a liar.



I've been asked for money from women who have problems in their life. I tell them all that I always help family and friends. If we meet and decide that we will be a family together, I will take care of them. Of course chances are I don't meet women who ask for money from strangers. You don't have to call her a liar but you needed to put your foot down and set some rules up about money. If she didn't want you to visit if you refused to send her money, it would've been a good thing since it would save you thousands of dollars you're about to spend on this vacation.


I am a pretty good looking guy and look younger than my age. A member on the other site may meet me over there, you can ask him what I look like I guess.
 


Looks can catch a woman but it won't keep a woman. When you do catch a woman, you will lose her when you lose your looks. To keep a woman, you need to use your biggest sex organ, the brain, to keep her interested in you.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 01:45:28 AM
Billy, he lost his foot to a landmine while fighting for his country. If I was lied to and am out two hundred bucks so be it and I move on. If the kid lost his foot serving and I was able to help him even for a few months it was worth it for me.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 02:03:28 AM
Billy, he lost his foot to a landmine while fighting for his country. If I was lied to and am out two hundred bucks so be it and I move on. If the kid lost his foot serving and I was able to help him even for a few months it was worth it for me.


You're not convincing me you have a kind heart. There are thousands of men around the world serving their country and getting hurt. You're not sending them money. Of course they don't have something between their legs you want.


 You don't know if the lady you're about to visit likes you and you're trying to buy her love since you're not supporting any other troops out there. Try winning her heart over based off who you are, not what's in your wallet. Combat boots don't cost $200. If only ten guys a month send her $200 a month based off sad stories she throws at them, that's $2000 a month income. it's no wonder why so many of these girls are asking for money. You're encouraging bad behavior. A husband and wife team in Russia made 1.5 million off gullible westerners.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 02:07:14 AM

You're not convincing me you have a kind heart.

Not trying to convince you buddy. Even if you shaved your ass I am sure it looks nothing like hers  :)
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 27, 2017, 08:35:53 AM
AWeb snd its sffiliate local agencies in Odessa are notorious for this.
Do you mind filling in a few things?
Do you speak with her on vid chat,if so, what times of the day?

Basically how do you communicate thru the site?  Their message system, or vid chat?

Are you still communicating daily?

It's sweltering hot in Odessa this time of year ,particularly this year.
 It's got some decent beaches and tourist area, but things have gotten worse economy wise and can be sketchy for a foreigner if you don't keep your eyes wide open.

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: jone on August 27, 2017, 08:40:13 AM
The good news is that many on the forum, here, have gotten their feet wet with A-Date.  Those who did are a little lighter in the wallet but have taken their smart pills. (Remember the joke about the guy who was selling rabbit raisins?  He would tell his customers that they were smart pills.  The customer would eat one and say: 'Hey, these are Rabbit Raisins.'  The guy would say:  'You're smarter already.)

I remember the first time I went to Ukraine.  I had a gal I had met with A-Date.  She met me with her interpreter.  I had to pay the interpreter, like, $20 an hour.  We went to a restaurant the gals had picked out and I got a special menu that cost twice as much as stuff on the menu everyone else received.  The interpreter is there both as a chaperone and to make sure she takes everything from your wallet possible.

Many of us have met the chat girls that you talk to on that site.  They are there for a job, nothing more.  It is their job to stroke you along as best as they can. 

One of the other forum members had me go out to dinner with a couple of them in Mykolaiv.  They joked about having their Western Union cards and all of the stories that they told guys to get them to send money.  In Ukraine, scamming Westerners is the second highest paying job for young ladies, I am told.  (Did not want to ask what the highest paying job is.)  These gals literally WORK for the agency.

I did meet a gal in Mykolaiv from A-Date who was not a scammer.  We met and dated a few times.  She was very beautiful.  BUT!   Even when she requested to not be on the website anymore, the agency still used her profile to lure guys in.  They lied to her and told her it would take them two weeks to remove it.  During this time I went on and talked to the agency guy acting to be her.  When I showed her the screen shot, she got all pissed off and went in and yelled at them.  Her profile was down the next day.

Some of the A-Date profiles have been there for two years after the girl is gone.  They are used to lure guys in and hook them.  Then they suck out as much money as possible.

Who knows, you may be the exception.  But what are you going to do with a gal in her low twenties, anyway?
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
Not trying to convince you buddy. Even if you shaved your ass I am sure it looks nothing like hers  :)


Her's or Igor, the employee of the month? Actually I got good news for you. Although I'm sure agency employees were involved with trading love letter with you off her profile and other women's profiles, I actually believe she's involved with you now since she asked for money. When you decided to visit, the agency has an obligation to tell the ladies the guy is coming to visit the photo in her profile. He is in love. They show her the correspondence and she decides what she wants to do with you. Of course she makes her decision after you buy your tickets. If she thinks you're a winner, she will not insult you by taking advantage of your wallet. If she doesn't want a life with you, she'll go along for the ride and get what she can out of you.


You believe this woman really likes you? Especially after you tried to be a hero and sent $200 to make her brother's life more comfortable and investing thousands to visit her? Ask for her mobile phone number before you visit. I'll bet you she has some reason on why she can't give that to you. It's common sense. The guys a girl likes get her phone number.


One reason I recommended certain guys to do testing is because they can't read people. You read a lot of ADate's agency letters and didn't understand that is not how sincere/real women write. You were in fantasy land the whole time yet you hold hope this will move into reality with a girl  falling in love and living happily ever after with you.


I was 40 when I first visited my wife who was 18 at the time. I wrote a thread before meeting my wife to show people how easy it is to meet ladies and eventually find a winner. Based on how I am, how I think, and how I read and identify people, I will always find a winner. Not many guys can write a report and know how it's going to turn out. When explaining to people about my wife's character and how she behaved, I got hammered a lot. People said I was getting scammed and going to get used. NOBODY in the history of this forum got hammered as much as I. I began to realize those hammering me didn't have much of an idea on how sincere and insincere women behave. If those people don't understand good people, they are more likely to bring the wrong people in their life. You can read the thread below and get some good ideas on how FSU women behave on dates and how they think and how people in this forum think.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0


You mentioned in another thread "How is some 21 year old bimbo going to use me?" When I was accused of going to get used by the girl I was visiting, my now wife, I replied something to the tune of "The girl has lived one year of her life as an adult. I've lived 22 years as an adult. I've got too much life experience and wisdom for somebody that young to be taking advantage of me"


The difference between you now and me back then is you already was taken advantage of and didn't know it. The agency got you. If the lady wrote her own letters to you and other men and not Igor, she was likely paid for her work. If you can't identify what is in front of you, you can't prepare how to deal with it. People over there know how to deal with western guys with confidence who think nobody will take advantage of them. Those young bimbos over there seem to win more times than lose when separating men from their money. Men beaten by those girls also report those girls are on their period 24/7. Hate to disappoint you.




Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 12:03:39 PM
Do you speak with her on vid chat,if so, what times of the day?

Basically how do you communicate thru the site?  Their message system, or vid chat?

Are you still communicating daily?

I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Boethius on August 27, 2017, 12:09:39 PM
I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.


I believe if you are chatting through the website, it is because the agency she works for is giving her a cut of that chat time.  Yes, she will meet with you - she gets paid to do so. 
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Boethius on August 27, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
Article on chat sites from a Ukrainian paper -


http://mignews.com.ua/sobitiya/inukraine/1279934.html
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 01:08:01 PM
I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.



Chat is another way these companies make big bucks. Let me guess. She's sitting at the agency chatting with you and other guys her time, 1 AM - 4 AM in the morning for hours?

I urge you to get her phone number now. You will there in a week, yes? Very little time left to gauge the tone of her voice to understand if she's into you or if you can hold a conversation with her for more than a few seconds. If you can't talk to her now, you'll probably won't be able to talk to her on a first date.


Keep in mind, agencies can give 30 phones with individual phone numbers and names to a female employee to pretend she is the woman associated with the number. Ask questions about what you two talked about in correspondence. If she's clueless, she's either an agency employee or she's the woman but didn't write her letters and knows nothing about you and of course didn't invest nothing into you. You may think she invested time chatting with you but she also may have been paid to sit through those torture sessions of chatting with losers, freaks, the morally bankrupt, and grandpas.


If she doesn't give you a phone number, she doesn't like you. Create a backup plan now by making contacts with women in Odessa. Do not use the same agency to do this.


If she says she will give you a phone number but you have to pay the agency for this contact info, continue to make a backup plan. A girl who likes a man does not want him to waste his money. A woman who plans to live her life with a man will figure out how to conserve his money for their future family. If she likes the agency over you, it's probably because she likes her job over you.


You've entered a fantasy world and want something real out of it. We've seen guys in your situation before and their dream turned into an expensive nightmare. Good luck.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 27, 2017, 01:46:56 PM
I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.

Ok.


Exceptions happen,  but not often.
The details make a difference.

That just messages,or still is real time live chat? If  so the times, and frequency,  are sort of  important.

 
I know owners of such affiliate agencies, and workers.
So you havnt seen her live chat vid, or got her on the phone.
Most vid chat girls are;working, but at least you know you are speaking to that person.I'm surprised you dint pay ten dollars or less out of just curiousity in seeing her once in this time before flying there.
In this case  so far you have no idea who you are talking to.it could be the person in the photos, but often agency workers answer those type messages.
Keep in mind you are still paying, and likely 90% of men never travel.
If they do, then they can produce the girl associated with the photos unless she is in another city visiting her sick grandmother.
 Odds this is the standard agency soft scam deal are extremely high, and you are traveling to a country with issues,  to meet someone youve never seen,or spoken to on the phone.
 You said the brothers English was poor, did you speak with him?
 
 

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 01:53:53 PM
Yes, just chat on the websites interface. I spoke to her brother on his cell phone with whatsapp. She was there as well, heard her on it. Never any video.

Her babushka lives in the same city. We are planning on going over to her house while I am there to meet her. She needed some home repairs, I offered to help out a bit.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: treadmilldude on August 27, 2017, 02:18:21 PM
DragonKid, I have not heard from you in awhile. It is good to hear from you. Don't be a stranger, pop in more often.

See ya' Dragonkid.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
I spoke to her brother on his cell phone with whatsapp. She was there as well, heard her on it. Never any video.



Her brother or boyfriend? What kind of timeframe are we talking about? I thought the brother was on the front line in a war where very little skirmishes are happening at the moment but somehow, he's unlucky and blew off his feet right after you send money for the boots? When did you send him money for new boots? When did his foot get blown off? He'd be sitting in a hospital  for a long period of time before he'd get sent back to Odessa. He had to be in Odessa talking to you since his "sister" was standing next to him.


Her babushka lives in the same city. We are planning on going over to her house while I am there to meet her. She needed some home repairs, I offered to help out a bit.



This is not surprising. You send money and she brings up another problem that can be solved with money. The girl is smoking hot yet her whole family has problems that are solved with money. Maybe you should suggest she return those expensive clothes, jewelry, and cosmetics to help her family in need.


Treadmilldude, did you erase your thread about Calmissile and dump it in here? I doubt it was you and it seems like nobody is man/woman enough to admit they did that. Maybe it was magic an it just happened all by itself. Reminds me of a time when a lot of magic happened with posts. Hope we don't go there again.  ;)
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: SANDRO43 on August 27, 2017, 02:27:59 PM
See ya' Dragonkid.
Hardly likely, his account was deleted long ago ;).
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 02:38:35 PM

Her brother or boyfriend? What kind of timeframe are we talking about? I thought the brother was on the front line in a war where very little skirmishes are happening at the moment but somehow, he's unlucky and blew off his feet right after you send money for the boots? When did you send him money for new boots? When did his foot get blown off? He'd be sitting in a hospital  for a long period of time before he'd get sent back to Odessa. He had to be in Odessa talking to you since his "sister" was standing next to him.

Money was sent a few months ago. I spoke to him before that while he was on leave back home for a bit. He has been home about a month I guess. Not sure exactly. Funds are low for those injured in the war Billy, no money to keep men in hospitals in Ukraine. He has turned to the bottle.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 27, 2017, 02:42:41 PM
Odds are against this being much  on a  lot of levels. Hey,  you may met her, and babushka.brother could be a brother , or could be her boyfriend. It can be pretty out there in Ukraine.
 If a 21yo girl in Tampa, you hadn't seen, or talked to on the phone, wouldn't give you her cell, (but gives you her brothers) hit you up for grandma's apt repairs, somehow I don't think you'd be interested in sending dollars.
Likely wouldn't meet her without some basics like talking to her.
 
  Kind of curious why you dint speak with her when talking to her brother, if she was there.

I actually give at 50/50 shot that you'll meet her. If so odds she either lives up to photoshop photots, or is actually interested are pretty slim.


But I'm pretty jaded so think it can be an old member putting us on too.lol
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 03:17:14 PM
I never said I am sending any money for grandmothers home repairs Jumper. I told them to have a skillsaw and a worker with a truck ready and I will roll up my sleeves and help fix the hole in the floor.

Seems many here jump to their own conclusions. We will see when I am there in a week I guess.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 03:31:00 PM
He has turned to the bottle.



That is heartbreaking. Good thing with all her family's problems, she remains in a healthy mental state of mind to remain smoking hot  and maintains the ability to chat with men in the wee hours of the morning everyday. Your emotions are being played by the agency and the girl.


Funds are low for those injured in the war Billy, no money to keep men in hospitals in Ukraine.



I can google the assistance Ukraine gets for their fight. Many nations gave Ukraine non lethal products. I found an article that said Canada gave food, clothes and boots for Ukrainian soldiers. You can find many articles like this too. You want to be a hero, show up in Ukraine with a bunch of supplies and give it directly to a military unit.


I spoke to him before that while he was on leave back home for a bit.



Let's get back to the "brother". Why did she give you his phone number and she didn't give you hers? You've ignored the line of questions and advice to get her number. You probably asked her but didn't get it. You got the "brother's" because a $200 payday was on the line. Fortunately for them , he just happened to be on leave and in town to talk to you. You western union them $200, and when asked how's the boots are working out, she reports it was all for nothing because his foot was blown off. Good thing you didn't put out money to buy him a matching set of gloves and helmet. When you get there, ask to see the boots or remaining boot your money bought.


I told them to have a skillsaw and a worker with a truck ready and I will roll up my sleeves and help fix the hole in the floor.
 


That worker and truck costs money. You think there is no way they can pocket any money in this since you're in control? It can be like the restaurant scams you read where they charge the foreigner triple the going rate and pocket the extra money. They can drag this project out for a long time completing it of course right before your wallet gets on the plane and leaves Ukraine.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 04:07:48 PM
You sound like a greedy American Billy.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Jumper on August 27, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
I never said I am sending any money for grandmothers home repairs Jumper. I told them to have a skillsaw and a worker with a truck ready and I will roll up my sleeves and help fix the hole in the floor.

Seems many here jump to their own conclusions. We will see when I am there in a week I guess.

  Yeap just speculation. Best we can do with bits and pieces of anyone's story when trying to help them here.
 
  In the end, you don't seem too serious about her either way, and seemingly have the funds to toss.So no big deal.







 
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: Boethius on August 27, 2017, 04:24:54 PM
You sound like a greedy American Billy.

LOL. Yet another way to separate a foreign man and the cash in his wallet.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: treadmilldude on August 27, 2017, 04:35:09 PM

Her's or Igor, the employee of the month? Actually I got good news for you. Although I'm sure agency employees were involved with trading love letter with you off her profile and other women's profiles, I actually believe she's involved with you now since she asked for money. When you decided to visit, the agency has an obligation to tell the ladies the guy is coming to visit the photo in her profile. He is in love. They show her the correspondence and she decides what she wants to do with you. Of course she makes her decision after you buy your tickets. If she thinks you're a winner, she will not insult you by taking advantage of your wallet. If she doesn't want a life with you, she'll go along for the ride and get what she can out of you.


You believe this woman really likes you? Especially after you tried to be a hero and sent $200 to make her brother's life more comfortable and investing thousands to visit her? Ask for her mobile phone number before you visit. I'll bet you she has some reason on why she can't give that to you. It's common sense. The guys a girl likes get her phone number.


One reason I recommended certain guys to do testing is because they can't read people. You read a lot of ADate's agency letters and didn't understand that is not how sincere/real women write. You were in fantasy land the whole time yet you hold hope this will move into reality with a girl  falling in love and living happily ever after with you.


I was 40 when I first visited my wife who was 18 at the time. I wrote a thread before meeting my wife to show people how easy it is to meet ladies and eventually find a winner. Based on how I am, how I think, and how I read and identify people, I will always find a winner. Not many guys can write a report and know how it's going to turn out. When explaining to people about my wife's character and how she behaved, I got hammered a lot. People said I was getting scammed and going to get used. NOBODY in the history of this forum got hammered as much as I. I began to realize those hammering me didn't have much of an idea on how sincere and insincere women behave. If those people don't understand good people, they are more likely to bring the wrong people in their life. You can read the thread below and get some good ideas on how FSU women behave on dates and how they think and how people in this forum think.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0


You mentioned in another thread "How is some 21 year old bimbo going to use me?" When I was accused of going to get used by the girl I was visiting, my now wife, I replied something to the tune of "The girl has lived one year of her life as an adult. I've lived 22 years as an adult. I've got too much life experience and wisdom for somebody that young to be taking advantage of me"


The difference between you now and me back then is you already was taken advantage of and didn't know it. The agency got you. If the lady wrote her own letters to you and other men and not Igor, she was likely paid for her work. If you can't identify what is in front of you, you can't prepare how to deal with it. People over there know how to deal with western guys with confidence who think nobody will take advantage of them. Those young bimbos over there seem to win more times than lose when separating men from their money. Men beaten by those girls also report those girls are on their period 24/7. Hate to disappoint you.

No Billy, not 40 and 18

Stop lying Billy. Noone likes a liar.

Billy, you were 43 and she was 17, a Junior in HS. Do not lie to RWD  attempting to hide your disgusting behavior. Actually criminal behavior, as in the opinion of quite a few people on RWD I have chatted with through PM, you belong in prison Billy and you should be in prison right now for Child Molestation BillyB.

You saw her on a site, you were 43, a middle-aged bald, overweight, fat American Man.

She was 17 years-old, a Junior in High School. She was just a Child. She was just a 17 year-old child Billy. Innocent as any other 17 year-old child. You took her innocence away from her Billy. You took her childhood away from her Billy. 

You remember what it was like to be 17, Billy? Go out with your Gf's and BF's, act silly, laugh, drink some beers, pound some Jager and Jack and Crown, go back to someone's home after 12 AM when the cops are out and it's curfew time so that you can continue the party there at their home, play every drinking game imaginable. Pass out on the sofa or floor at 4 AM when that last shot of Jack hit ya' pretty hard. Wake up the next morning with all of your buddies scattered all around the house, most of them groaning with a whopper of a hangover. And yet even though we all felt like dog doo, we were together, we were friends, best friends, and we all laughed at what silly 17 year-olds we all were. We all giggled at each other. I remember those times very well. I had a lot of fun times at 17. I had a lot of good friends at 17. I have a lot of great memories when I was 17.

Unfortunately, you stole those memories from that poor young girl in Odessa, Ukraine, BillyB. You stole her innocence, you took away her childhood. She never had much of a childhood after you BillyB.

You were 43 Billy. All of those gorgeous, skinny ,slender, beautiful women in Odessa and all over Ukraine, that were 29, 30, 31 with no Husband, no BF, no Children and they would have given their left arm to marry you Billy. They were the perfect age to marry and start a life with you and start a family with you back in the US, Billy.

Yet what did you, a 43 year-old middle aged man well past his prime do? You contacted a 17 YO girl in Ukraine on a dating site, communicated with her, got to know her, then got on a plane and flew to see her. Shortly after meeting her, what did this 43 year-old middle aged man do? This 43 YO Middle-Aged man   had sex   with this 17 YO Child, this innocent 17 YO Junior in HS.

You know what, that 17 year-old child from Odessa missed out on all of those fun things, all those fun times and activities that 17 YO's and teenagers and Juniors in HS like to do. You ruined her childhood Billy. You stole her childhood from her. A 43 YO Middle aged man stole the childhood and innocence from a 17 YO Junior in HS.

What's done is done. The damage is done Billy. You cannot go back and fix the damage and harm you caused that young Girl in Ukraine.

Why does everyone on RWD hate you Billy? Why does everyone on RWD ignore you and noone ever responds to your posts, but rather why does EVERYONE on RWD ignore all of your posts? Because you are who you are Billy. You are an evil man.

And now, BillyB is officially on my ignore list on RWD forever, including until I meet my future Wife in either Texas, Ukraine, Belarus or Canada. Yes Boethius, (I made your color pink because you are so pretty  :)) if you ever divorce your Husband, I am going to be the first in line to ask for your hand in marriage. Dunno if I will ever be good enough for you, smart enough, handsome enough, muscular enough, ripped enough, strong enough, powerful enough, able to bench or squat enough weight to impress you, or if I will ever be worthy of being your Man, but I promise to try my very very hardest to honor you and be a Good Husband Boe. (Stop laughing Boe!! I promise I had to make you laugh just this one time. Just this one time laugh Boe!! I love ya' buddy. :D ;D)
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: treadmilldude on August 27, 2017, 04:36:44 PM
Good Bye Billy. Nice knowing you Billy.   (Click "Ignore")
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: ML on August 27, 2017, 04:38:40 PM
Men beaten by those girls also report those girls are on their period 24/7.

My experience has been that during the 5-7 day period, it usually is ongoing for 24 hours each day.

So you are implying that some women can shut it off for parts of a 24 hour period?  That would be pretty convenient.  i.e. Special event break and then resume normal programming.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 04:39:02 PM
Damn, so we have a pedo advising us on how to find and treat a woman. Nice.
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 05:07:56 PM
You sound like a greedy American Billy.


Upon your arrival, your lady and her agency will be thrilled to learn you remain the generous American even after you read warnings from various posters here. Keep believing you can win her heart with your money.


There's a difference between being generous and being stupid with your money. Quality women like smart men. Smart men aren't gullible, naïve, or fail to take good advice. People here are trying to save you money, time and heartache. People here are telling you that you've entered a world of deception and yet you want to continue to be generous in that world. Be generous with people who deserve it. Don't be generous with people that you never met. That woman hasn't done anything for you except give you the attention you crave for in a messaging system and denied you her phone number. That little attention is going to continue to cost you big time.


You can greatly increase your chance of success in this endeavor if you change your tune but it seems you want to learn the hard way first. Hopefully in a few weeks after you come back home, you're brave enough to write a trip report and tell the single men here what not to do. Don't disappear on us like the other men who thought they weren't going to get burned.


Billy, you were 43 and she was 17, a Junior in HS. Do not lie to RWD  attempting to hide your disgusting behavior. Actually criminal behavior, as in the opinion of quite a few people on RWD I have chatted with through PM, you belong in prison Billy and you should be in prison right now for Child Molestation BillyB.



TDM, you are clueless to the fact you're a drama queen. I posted a link to my thread where I found my wife upthread. Use your own brain to figure things out instead of relying on others. There is also a search engine here. You can figure out timelines and ages instead of listening to the rumor mill behind PM's. If you don't like lying, you better stop participating with those people who like to rumor. You should give them a 2000 word scolding for their lies like you do every time when you don't like what someone says. Anyway, your government issued me and my wife a k-1 visa, license to marry, temporary green card, permanent green card, and my wife a citizenship instead of sentencing me to prison. Go figure. My wife and I are happy, our parents are happy with our marriage. The people that matter are happy. You don't matter. Go figure.


Damn, so we have a pedo advising us on how to find and treat a woman. Nice.


You keep figuring out ways to reject people's advice. Doesn't matter if a guy is a murderer, if he tells you 2+2=4, is he right or wrong?

Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 27, 2017, 05:17:05 PM
Hopefully in a few weeks after you come back home, you're brave enough to write a trip report and tell the single men here what not to do. Don't disappear on us like the other men who thought they weren't going to get burned.

I'll do better, I am there for 2 weeks. I will update you in real time, play by play. Hows that?
Title: Re: Testing Others
Post by: BillyB on August 27, 2017, 05:39:51 PM
I'll do better, I am there for 2 weeks. I will update you in real time, play by play. Hows that?


A lot of people will like that as long as you're willing to tell the good, the bad, and the ugly.  You've booked the tickets so might as well go and try to make something out of it. Don't hang onto something that isn't there too long. If things aren't right, save enough of your vacation for your backup plans and you may be able to take a lemon and turn it into lemonade.