Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Introductions and Ice-Breaker => Topic started by: Nataly Z on January 26, 2020, 04:43:50 AM
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My name is Nataly. I'm here only for two days. I'd like to know more about this forum. About what we can talk to? 😎😉
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привет Натали
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Hello Nataly, why are you here for only two days? Feel free to ask any questions you want.
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My name is Nataly. I'm here only for two days. I'd like to know more about this forum. About what we can talk to? 😎😉
Welcome to the forum!
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Hi Natochka, we talk about most anything under the sun here on this website.
Ask any question you would like to, and you will get 20 answers . . . 10 of which will be completely opposite from the other 10 answers.
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Hello Nataly, why are you here for only two days? Feel free to ask any questions you want.
She meant she had only been here for 2 days; not that she would only be here for 2 days.
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Nataly
:welcome:
Over the years, many many women from Ukraine and Russia have graced our pages with their presence.
Some have used it as an opportunity to improve their understanding of American/Western culture. Some have used it to improve their English. Both goals are acceptable and welcome.
Others have taught us Russian culture. Some have given valuable advice about dating, cooking, healthcare,...A couple have developed a loving relationship with men they met here.
You name it. Any subject is open and fair.
Frankly, we need more participation by women.
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Nataly
:welcome:
Over the years, many many women from Ukraine and Russia have graced our pages with their presence.
Some have used it as an opportunity to improve their understanding of American/Western culture. Some have used it to improve their English. Both goals are acceptable and welcome.
Others have taught us Russian culture. Some have given valuable advice about dating, cooking, healthcare,...A couple have developed a loving relationship with men they met here.
You name it. Any subject is open and fair.
Frankly, we need more participation by women.
Gator, are you saying that with a straight face???
Be honorable and tell this poor lady that RWD is a political forum now (80-85%) frequented by the same 15-20 members arguing about whose right or wrong.
Almost every woman who comes here is driven off the site. Who wants to hear about bitching and moaning?
Natali, you make the decision. Or you can easily go back in previous threads/female members and see.
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Gator, are you saying that with a straight face???
Be honorable and tell this poor lady that RWD is a political forum now (80-85%) frequented by the same 15-20 members arguing about whose right or wrong.
Almost every woman who comes here is driven off the site. Who wants to hear about bitching and moaning?
Natali, you make the decision. Or you can easily go back in previous threads/female members and see.
Yep, it does seem that way......
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Gator, are you saying that with a straight face???
Be honorable and tell this poor lady that RWD is a political forum now (80-85%) frequented by the same 15-20 members arguing about whose right or wrong.
Much truth in what you say. The question is why?
The number of men flying to the FSU has seemingly declined immeasurably, leaving RWD to be frequented primarily by men married to FSUW, and men who have made several trips yet not cultivated an enduring relationship. Few chase FSUW, so we turn to other subjects.
However, if we recruit newcomers such as Nataly, other women, and few men looking to the FSU for theur dream wo,man, the content of the daily posts at RWD would change remarkably.
Let us all strive to be kind.
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Thanks a lot for all your messages!!!! Nice to meet you!😉 I'd like to talk about everything. I still don't know how can I add some photos here. I made size as it's written here, not more then 800,even less, but still it's impossible. I'll be grateful to you for any help😉😀
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I couldn't do it in my profile, but I can do it here😁
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:welcome:
Hello Nataly I hope you have a thick skin, there are a lot of critics in this crowd.
My advise.......ignore them.
Two questions, are you single, married, or in a relationship? and how old are you?
Do not be surprised, whatever your age, at least two will say you are too old, another too young, and the rest will think you are okay (but they won't tell you). ;D
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I couldn't do it in my profile, but I can do it here😁
I fixed it for you ;).
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Red dress and a large black hat make a statement. I commend you for not being shy.
Besides all the physical questions mentioned by Grumpy, many men attach value to education and profession, so some basic info there would help.
I have only one question: Are you a whisky drinking woman? ;D
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Much truth in what you say. The question is why?
The number of men flying to the FSU has seemingly declined immeasurably, leaving RWD to be frequented primarily by men married to FSUW, and men who have made several trips yet not cultivated an enduring relationship. Few chase FSUW, so we turn to other subjects.
However, if we recruit newcomers such as Nataly, other women, and few men looking to the FSU for theur dream wo,man, the content of the daily posts at RWD would change remarkably.
Let us all strive to be kind.
Did you ever consider that anyone new you comes to this forum as a guest sees what goes on here? Let alone anyone who actually registers on this site. Doesn't take very long to see there is little talk about Russian women or relationships. The very few threads I have seen, the OP is ridiculed for his thoughts or behavior. So why would anyone stick around?
I still think many men go to FSU, I see them all the time in my travels...very easy to spot. I think before it was more obvious since the internet cafes were frequented by many.
RWD is just a catch all for whatever topic any member wants to bring up.
Does anyone see every thread is a 'Anything Goes' or 'Odds and Ends' or 'Russian Front Discussion' (ie politics)
Sorry Natali for taking away from your thread.
BTW- Welcome!!
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Nataly, I looked at your profile and it said your location is in Ukraine but your spouses country is Russia. What city do you live in and are you married?
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Hi everyone 👋
I don't drink, maybe very rarely wine or rum with Co)))). I was born and live in Ukraine, maybe the system here is mistaken 😂. I've never been to Russia before😊.
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Hello Nataly !
Welcome to the forum
I hope you learn things to your benefit !
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I don't drink, maybe very rarely wine or rum with Co)))).
The same for me. I was a member for years and years to a vintners club (wine tasting and wine appreciation). This year I resigned because I have lost interest in fine wines (my currently stocked wine cellar will supply me for a couple of years) and could not finish all my servings at the monthly dinners.
My wife imbibes occasionally, straight up (no ice, no mixer). We have some Russian, Armenian and Ukrainian friends, and a couple of them are not shy about drinking. They sing much better after a few rounds of vodka. Parties with them differ from parties with my American friends.
Nataly, have you traveled to other countries?
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The very few threads I have seen, the OP is ridiculed for his thoughts or behavior. So why would anyone stick around?
If only a couple of posters are ridiculing the OP, the OP should ponder the advice yet not give it much weight. If every poster ridicules an OP....
I still think many men go to FSU, I see them all the time in my travels...very easy to spot. I think before it was more obvious since the internet cafes were frequented by many.
How much traveling to the FSU do you still undertake? Have you been sharing stories from your travels? I am certain you have a couple of interesting experiences to share. I encourage you to start a thread: LAman's travel anecdotes, not monologues.
RWD is just a catch all for whatever topic any member wants to bring up.
The actively participating members are mostly in the married/settled down category and are not traveling to the FSU. In fact, my travels were so long ago (first in 1986), I have trouble recalling them. That and the fact my wife has long ago "trained" me there were no other women in my life.
I can discuss menopause. If interested, let me know. ;D
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Gator, are you saying that with a straight face???
Be honorable and tell this poor lady that RWD is a political forum now (80-85%) frequented by the same 15-20 members arguing about whose right or wrong.
Almost every woman who comes here is driven off the site. Who wants to hear about bitching and moaning?
Natali, you make the decision. Or you can easily go back in previous threads/female members and see.
I concur. The site allowed a female member, 'nano', be abused until she was ultimately driven off.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24038.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24038.0)
Natali can do a search for *nano's* thread here and read what happened and what said about her...
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I was born and live in Ukraine, maybe the system here is mistaken 😂. I've never been to Russia before😊.
I see your profile changed a little. The flag under your photo is Ukrainian which tells us where you live. But you have Ukraine listed for your spouse. A spouse means you have a husband. If you aren't married, you may want to change your profile again and the single guys are more likely to flirt.
I concur. The site allowed a female member, 'nano', be abused until she was ultimately driven off.
I treat women differently than men. I discriminate and treat them better than men. I wouldn't abuse a woman in real life and I won't abuse a woman on the internet. Hopefully some guys change their attitude next time when dealing with women. They are different and need to be treated differently.
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Nataly,
RWD has a few members who seem to relish stirring the shit pot (a metaphor for creating tension between two feuding people and enjoying the stink that arises).
One needs to ignore people who cause trouble in life. I guess anyone with a red dress and black hat already knows how to ignore troublemakers.
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"Hello Nataly !
Welcome to the forum
I hope you learn things to your benefit !"
Thanks ;)
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The same for me. I was a member for years and years to a vintners club (wine tasting and wine appreciation). This year I resigned because I have lost interest in fine wines (my currently stocked wine cellar will supply me for a couple of years) and could not finish all my servings at the monthly dinners.
My wife imbibes occasionally, straight up (no ice, no mixer). We have some Russian, Armenian and Ukrainian friends, and a couple of them are not shy about drinking. They sing much better after a few rounds of vodka. Parties with them differ from parties with my American friends.
Nataly, have you traveled to other countries?
I like wine testing. I remember when I did it in New Zeland. Their wine is very tasty. As for your ukrainian and russian friends, of course they are different: if they drink, they drink too much, if they sing- then everyone will hear them, if they dance- then everyone gonna remember their dancing for a long time with smile))))). everything what we do, we do with our heart.
Yes, Ive been to many countries: a ot of countries in Asia, some in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, Carribean islands and some cities in the USA.
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Billy, thank you!😊
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Ok, guys!!!! What is your favorite country? No, better to ask like this: where is your place on this planet?😀
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Ok, guys!!!! What is your favorite country?
I've been to a lot of countries and enjoyed all my stays but I have to say my favorite is USA because it's home and home has been good to me.
where is your place on this planet?😀
I told my wife where my favorite place to be is at. It's private information for only her to know so I can't tell anybody else where that place is.
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Ok, guys!!!! What is your favorite country? No, better to ask like this: where is your place on this planet?😀
Hello Nataly and welcome. My favorite city has been Lviv! I have been to Kyiv, Odessa, Crimea, Minsk and Lviv and by far my favorite is Lviv.
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I live in Ukraine, but still didn't see Lviv well enough)))). I've been there, but...
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What is your favorite country and favorite place you visited Nataly? Do you have a tourist visa to America and have you ever been here?
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I've been to many countries in Asia, Singapore, Japan, Australia and New Zealand, some sities in the USA, Canada (only Halifax), Carribean islands. But still my favourite country is Australia, for vocation I'd like to choose Antigua and Barbuda or Thailand.
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I've been to many countries in Asia, Singapore, Japan, Australia and New Zealand, some sities in the USA, Canada (only Halifax), Carribean islands. But still my favourite country is Australia, for vocation I'd like to choose Antigua and Barbuda or Thailand.
Hi Nataly :welcome: I'm guessing you are quite wealthy for a Ukrainian, good job etc. Not many Ukrainians are allowed out of the captivity that is Ukraine and into the wild ;D
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I'm not rich, and wealth is not so important. We will not be able to Iive without money, we need them everywhere. But to be rich doesn't mean to be happy. The richest person in the world can be the unhappiest. It's enough to work and earn for leaving, then to live 24 hours per day in your office and to be rich.
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I'm not rich, and wealth is not so important. We will not be able to Iive without money, we need them everywhere. But to be rich doesn't mean to be happy. The richest person in the world can be the unhappiest. It's enough to work and earn for leaving, then to live 24 hours per day in your office and to be rich.
Good points. :clapping:
Nataly, I met women from your country and Russia. Many of them manifested some sort of materialism, at least more than my decades of experience with the average American woman. A few of them seemed very materialistic s if they were entitled.
One could think this is because American women, as a result of our economy, already are blessed with much. So let's examine that possibility. Here in America, I meet Russian and Ukrainian wives in social gatherings. They now possess more "luxury" than they had in Russia/Ukraine (unless they were once the girlfriend of an Oligarch type). Yet in America it seems an even higher percentage of the Russian and Ukrainian women I meet impress me as materialistic.
The materialistic women also seem to belittle others. My wife refuses to socialize with them after learning of their true nature.
I am not trying to insult UW/RW. To the contrary, I meet many who are leading an average life, and they are as happy as a lark (a bird that sings a lot).
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Nataly, in your first post you said you would like to know more about this forum. The forum would like to know more about you. What are you goals? Are you seeking a man to enjoy life with? It would be great to hear more about you because we have a bad habit of talking too much politics.
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Good points. :clapping:
Nataly, I met women from your country and Russia. Many of them manifested some sort of materialism, at least more than my decades of experience with the average American woman. A few of them seemed very materialistic s if they were entitled.
One could think this is because American women, as a result of our economy, already are blessed with much. So let's examine that possibility. Here in America, I meet Russian and Ukrainian wives in social gatherings. They now possess more "luxury" than they had in Russia/Ukraine (unless they were once the girlfriend of an Oligarch type). Yet in America it seems an even higher percentage of the Russian and Ukrainian women I meet impress me as materialistic.
The materialistic women also seem to belittle others. My wife refuses to socialize with them after learning of their true nature.
I am not trying to insult UW/RW. To the contrary, I meet many who are leading an average life, and they are as happy as a lark (a bird that sings a lot).
I think this is true what you say Gator. A good part of it is probably that the more materialistic element of FSW tend to be attracted to International Dating as it likely appears to be the only way to get the material lifestyle that they crave for. If they meet a wealthy guy through this route who doesn't have any problem with money flow then it can probably be a solution for both to realise their dreams potentially so long as it doesn't end in tears.
I don't think all FSW looking for men abroad are like this but that a lot probably are and hence why you find them featuring so much where you see them Gator. I think you have noticed too that those that seem very materialistic can seemingly demonstrate not very appealing character traits. Not a perfect world I guess.
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I don't think all FSW looking for men abroad are like this...a lot probably are
Certainly not "all." I say even less than suggested by "a lot probably are." IMO I say less than 10% based on my perception of what would be expected.
A RW wife should in general have the same lifestyle as other wives in her husband's social circle. For sure no woman wants to move to the West and struggle financially. We say, "Know your woman." Similarly, the RW should know her man.
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Yes, I'm seeking a man). But don't have such goal here on this site. If it will happen, I don't mind then😂. What are your goals, guys?😉
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What are your goals, guys?😉
Sex, of course . . . but you should already know this.
Note: Women should not ask men what is on their mind.
Because then, the men have to lie.
Men don't want to tell the truth that they are only thinking about football and sex; because they know that women don't like that true answer.
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What are your goals, guys?😉
My main goal is to help my wife finish her bachelors of science nursing degree and help her achieve her goals. With her studying so much now, I have more time to harass people on the internet. :D I also have the simple needs of a normal man. ML explained it in his post.
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I know that mostly 95% of men everywhere want to find a woman for their needs. It's not difficult to understand when you are talking to them. There are many women which have the same reason to catch a man. Yes, I said "to catch". But the problem is, that men don't want those or it's not enough for them. They try to flirt everywhere, they can lie about their marital status, just because they want only this woman and as soon as possible. It's a pity.
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But the problem is, that men don't want those or it's not enough for them. They try to flirt everywhere, they can lie about their marital status, just because they want only this woman and as soon as possible. It's a pity.
We all have needs. Food, water, and air are some of our needs. We need month to buy food, clothes, and housing. Some, especially men, have a need of sex. There's nothing wrong with taking care of people's needs but you are right some people will lie to others to have their needs taken care of. So when we find someone we respect and love, we should take care of their needs but during the journey to find that person we will encounter people that want to take advantage of us and we should quickly discard those people from our lives.
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There's nothing wrong with taking care of people's needs but you are right some people will lie to others to have their needs taken care of. So when we find someone we respect and love, we should take care of their needs but during the journey to find that person we will encounter people that want to take advantage of us and we should quickly discard those people from our lives.
Jeez Billy . . . that's some pretty deep stuff !!
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I know that mostly 95% of men everywhere want to find a woman for their needs. It's not difficult to understand when you are talking to them. There are many women which have the same reason to catch a man. Yes, I said "to catch". But the problem is, that men don't want those or it's not enough for them. They try to flirt everywhere, they can lie about their marital status, just because they want only this woman and as soon as possible. It's a pity.
:welcome: Nataly :clapping:
In my opinion, not many men would resort to an outright lie to women in order to get laid. It would be mostly the women who have illusions about the man's intentions.
A woman may be tempted to think, 'Oh I will do whatever it takes to make him fall in love with me, and then marry me'. She would try to be the loveliest and the best for him, but then he gradually disappears from her life. And she has lost another year of her life trying to make him love her. Fat chance. :(
The soon she moves from a man who is not a valid prospect, the better for her.
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The sooner she moves from a man who is not a valid prospect, the better for her.
But Lily, how can the woman (or man) reliably ascertain valid prospects?
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Ask to see his credit report.....and tax returns?....
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But Lily, how can the woman (or man) reliably ascertain valid prospects?
That's an excellent question indeed ML. If people were able to evaluate prospects well, the relationships would have been more simple than they are now :)
May be the way is to learn people. If the opposite gender is man, see if he is active enough towards you, if he is making steps towards you, expressing his interest. If he is telling you his feelings or not. If he is unable to give a definite answer, or is relying on some reasons, the answer is likely no and it is time to move on.
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They try to flirt everywhere, they can lie about their marital status, just because they want only this woman and as soon as possible. It's a pity.
Nataly, many men enjoy the "hunt," and not a few will say almost anything to bed you.
If you are attracted to someone, and feeling you want to go to bed, go to his place, not your place. There you will see all you need to know to take the next step (of many) towards building a relationship. Make sure you have a way to leave early.
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If the opposite gender is man....
This reveals two important points about your nature: 1) you are an honest woman and 2) you still harbor the soul of a Russian woman. I discuss.
Your guidelines (active enough towards you, etc.) are great. They reveal what many men like about RW: a mentality that distinguishes men from women, and vice versa. However, your guidelines apply to women as well. There are many women who deceive us men.
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John Wayne once said "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." In relationships, if one is stupid they will get involved with all the wrong people and stay with them longer than they should. If one is smart, they can identify quality people quickly and if they can surround themselves with quality people, life and relationships will be better and fun.
Years ago I wrote about the time I met my now wife for the first time. I described her character yet people thought she was a bad woman. How can they label her intentions bad when I just described something good about her? They may have the inability to read people well. Also, after learning her youth and beauty, they assumed for her to choose me, it would have to be for all the wrong reasons. That's okay. I'm happy surrounding myself with people like my wife. They can choose other people to bring into their lives.
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Ok, guys!!!! What is your favorite country? No, better to ask like this: where is your place on this planet?😀
USofA for me...
But FWIW, it isn't the place but the company you're with that makes places memorable.
I know that mostly 95% of men everywhere want to find a woman for their needs. It's not difficult to understand when you are talking to them. There are many women which have the same reason to catch a man. Yes, I said "to catch". But the problem is, that men don't want those or it's not enough for them. They try to flirt everywhere, they can lie about their marital status, just because they want only this woman and as soon as possible. It's a pity.
Don't let what you cannot control, control your life. TBH, infidelity and deceit is not a gender specific behavior. From what I've seen and know in my life, women are far more deceitful it comes to the subject of flesh and fantasy. Matter of fact, women are far more inclined to weaponize their sex than men. Women are much more weaker, and easily succumb, to temptation of the flesh much more so than men. Women give out, and with greater frequency, triggers and signals than *most* men do - beyond the relatively harmless acts of flirtation. Most men simply are too dense to see these triggers and signals.
This is simply life's reality. If you're going to worry about things you cannot control, then you'll likely miss your life's calling...
Love, trust and respect are manifested and earned in time. Sometimes even when these are established in a relationship, they don't necessarily prevent us from what makes all of us human. We all take the proverbial leaps of faith in life. You can't get anywhere by remaining cautiously static.
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Women are much more weaker, and easily succumb, to temptation of the flesh much more so than men.
Oh, I don't know if I can agree with that.
95% of unmarried guys 16 - 30 or so would probably never turn down a random gal's suggestion that they do the act. For most, it would feel like they won the lottery.
I would suggest that 80% or more of unmarried gals 16 - 30 or so would not accept a random guy's suggestion that they do the act. They would likely report the guy to someone.
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Oh, I don't know if I can agree with that.
95% of unmarried guys 16 - 30 or so would probably never turn down a random gal's suggestion that they do the act. For most, it would feel like they won the lottery.
I would suggest that 80% or more of unmarried gals 16 - 30 or so would not accept a random guy's suggestion that they do the act. They would likely report the guy to someone.
It really depends on the participants.
IME, in comparison, there were far more women who get sexed up despite being engaged, in a relationship, during their wedding, and even during their honeymoon - than men I knew in such like circumstances. They'll easily sex up a man despite of him being their sister's, BFF's, hell even their daughter's man. Women can be, and socially speaking, are far more sinister when it comes to the topic of flesh.
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Quote from: ML on Today at 05:25:11 PM
"Oh, I don't know if I can agree with that.
95% of unmarried guys 16 - 30 or so would probably never turn down a random gal's suggestion that they do the act. For most, it would feel like they won the lottery.
I would suggest that 80% or more of unmarried gals 16 - 30 or so would not accept a random guy's suggestion that they do the act. They would likely report the guy to someone."
It really depends on the participants.
But, I gave my assessment of men and women in total, so if you want to respond accordingly, you need to agree with or attack my overall assessment.
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IME, in comparison, there were far more women who get sexed up despite being engaged, in a relationship, during their wedding, and even during their honeymoon - than men I knew in such like circumstances. They'll easily sex up a man despite of him being their sister's, BFF's, hell even their daughter's man. Women can be, and socially speaking, are far more sinister when it comes to the topic of flesh.
OK, now this is a little bit different aspect than what we started discussing.
You seem to be talking about situation where a female is more likely than a male to use sex to tease men . . . with probably no intention of ever doing a sexual act.
I would likely agree with you on this.
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Yes, I'm seeking a man). But don't have such goal here on this site. If it will happen, I don't mind then😂. What are your goals, guys?😉
Mine is to find a FSW (Former Soviet Woman) in Russia, Belarus or Ukraine I can have a relationship with and hopefully children. Apparently I am told there are many women in the FSU (Former Soviet Union) that want the same though it's not proving to be an easy search finding them so far.
This site is generally aimed at guys wanting the same, to meet a FSW for a relationship. So it's great to hear from the other side of the situation. How is your search going for a western man?
I have been to Ukraine several times now. Lviv is the easiest city to get along with I found as it's quite touristy and set up for visitors. Kiev was the first city I visited and was strange to get accustomed to at first as I was used to cities as there are in the west. Odessa had a nice feel to it, I visited the beach, restaurants and did a bit of shopping. I visited Nikoleav also which had an interesting feel to it but a bit limited for things to do.
Where in Ukraine do you come from Nataly?
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"Oh, I don't know if I can agree with that.
95% of unmarried guys 16 - 30 or so would probably never turn down a random gal's suggestion that they do the act. For most, it would feel like they won the lottery.
I would suggest that 80% or more of unmarried gals 16 - 30 or so would not accept a random guy's suggestion that they do the act. They would likely report the guy to someone."
But, I gave my assessment of men and women in total, so if you want to respond accordingly, you need to agree with or attack my overall assessment.
No need. You're citing physiological impulse once the need to mate kicks in. For one, the age differs with male/female. I would put the females impulses closer to their 20s instead of 16, in general, in terms of intensity.
Sexuality and appeal is similar in any society. The great majority of men would love to get laid everyday, if ONLY they can. But the reality is, that is a privilege (natural selection for whatever triggers the impulse) for the very few amongst us. The vast majority is left simply looking at it as sheer fantasy.
With women, it's a bit different. There's the over-riding 'selection' process involved. But this doesn't negate the truth they get 'sexed-up' worst than men do. After all, women's reproductive nerve wirings is vastly more pronounced than men. Not sure if the difference in nerve length was 20 miles or 200 miles between male and female. Either way, this makes the urge far more extreme for women. Most men just simply fail to see what is otherwise a very natural process and thus fail. Maybe that in itself, like in nature, is part of the process.
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OK, now this is a little bit different aspect than what we started discussing.
You seem to be talking about situation where a female is more likely than a male to use sex to tease men . . . with probably no intention of ever doing a sexual act.
I would likely agree with you on this.
No ML. What I'm saying is they do close the deal. Their need to sex up is not any less than men. If anything, as I stated above, they do so indiscriminately or with reckless abandon. I cited samples of those instances above. Just because society is far more 'aware' with Joe the Plumber getting shutdown by Barbie, doesn't mean Barbie isn't ready to go horizontal with Ken on a whim.
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yes, a lot of women are materialistic. I'd like to tell NO, but unfortunately yes. I had ome opportunities to live with a rich men, mostly they are not young, and I cannot imagine how it's possibe to live like this. Better level of life cannot give you happiness. You have to choose: good future with money, good living without problems or struggling, but being freedom and intependent with wealth which you have inside you and in your own pocket.
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So when we find someone we respect and love, we should take care of their needs but during the journey to find that person we will encounter people that want to take advantage of us and we should quickly discard those people from our lives.
But, when you got used to that person it becomes very difficult quickly discard those people from our lives.
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:welcome: Nataly :clapping:
In my opinion, not many men would resort to an outright lie to women in order to get laid. It would be mostly the women who have illusions about the man's intentions.
A woman may be tempted to think, 'Oh I will do whatever it takes to make him fall in love with me, and then marry me'. She would try to be the loveliest and the best for him, but then he gradually disappears from her life. And she has lost another year of her life trying to make him love her. Fat chance. :(
The soon she moves from a man who is not a valid prospect, the better for her.
Hi, Lily!!!Yes, maybe we have illusions about the man's intentions. I am sure every single woman has, because we fall in love with his appearance first. And if he knows how to attract his new woman (and such handsome persons know), he becames more and more attractive. We don't have an influence on it, these are feeling. But...anyway I agree with you).
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John Wayne once said "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." In relationships, if one is stupid they will get involved with all the wrong people and stay with them longer than they should. If one is smart, they can identify quality people quickly and if they can surround themselves with quality people, life and relationships will be better and fun.
I agree with you. But not everyone can control himself being in love ;).
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USofA for me...
But FWIW, it isn't the place but the company you're with that makes places memorable.
Exacty!!! And you gonna remember that place and even the worst working place in the world for a long time just because you've been with nice people!
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Women are much more weaker, and easily succumb, to temptation of the flesh much more so than men. Women give out, and with greater frequency, triggers and signals than *most* men do - beyond the relatively harmless acts of flirtation. Most men simply are too dense to see these triggers and signals.
I don't agree. Can I ask you a personal question? How old are you?
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This is simply life's reality. If you're going to worry about things you cannot control, then you'll likely miss your life's calling...
Love, trust and respect are manifested and earned in time. Sometimes even when these are established in a relationship, they don't necessarily prevent us from what makes all of us human. We all take the proverbial leaps of faith in life. You can't get anywhere by remaining cautiously static.
Very wise speech! I like your thoughts, you are experienced enough.
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Oh, I don't know if I can agree with that.
95% of unmarried guys 16 - 30 or so would probably never turn down a random gal's suggestion that they do the act. For most, it would feel like they won the lottery.
Yes, especially when the woman is very pretty.
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Mine is to find a FSW (Former Soviet Woman) in Russia, Belarus or Ukraine I can have a relationship with and hopefully children. Apparently I am told there are many women in the FSU (Former Soviet Union) that want the same though it's not proving to be an easy search finding them so far.
This site is generally aimed at guys wanting the same, to meet a FSW for a relationship. So it's great to hear from the other side of the situation. How is your search going for a western man?
I have been to Ukraine several times now. Lviv is the easiest city to get along with I found as it's quite touristy and set up for visitors. Kiev was the first city I visited and was strange to get accustomed to at first as I was used to cities as there are in the west. Odessa had a nice feel to it, I visited the beach, restaurants and did a bit of shopping. I visited Nikoleav also which had an interesting feel to it but a bit limited for things to do.
Where in Ukraine do you come from Nataly?
I'm from the western part of Ukraine. And what was the result of your visits? As I undertood you came here to date women. Didn'tyou like all those female?
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I'm from the western part of Ukraine. And what was the result of your visits? As I undertood you came here to date women. Didn'tyou like all those female?
They varied. One smoked more than I could be comfortable with and wasn't my type of personality. One was quite moralistic, another was quite materialistic. Some of it was me getting familiar with the dating culture in Ukraine. Some of it was I don't think there was natural chemistry with some of the women.
That all said on the whole I've found Ukrainian women generally nice people and sift and feminine. So on the whole way better than women at home. I find a lot of women at home career obsessed and difficult to date.
Well Nataly, if your not from Lviv but are from western Ukraine then that makes it interesting. I'm guessing Odessa is described more as southern Ukraine than western Ukraine. So that means your from a city I have not visited out that way. Since I have only visited Lviv in western Ukraine that leaves places I am unfamiliar with. I've looked into the possibility of visiting these other cities in western Ukraine but I've never really found enough women on the online dating sites to make it worth my while. Shane as a few of those cities look nice places. So how have you found your search so far looking for a western man?
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Women are much more weaker, and easily succumb, to temptation of the flesh much more so than men. Women give out, and with greater frequency, triggers and signals than *most* men do - beyond the relatively harmless acts of flirtation. Most men simply are too dense to see these triggers and signals.
I don't agree. Can I ask you a personal question? How old are you?
That's fine, as I am speaking from personal experience as I'm sure you are.
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It really depends on the participants.
IME, in comparison, there were far more women who get sexed up despite being engaged, in a relationship, during their wedding, and even during their honeymoon - than men I knew in such like circumstances. They'll easily sex up a man despite of him being their sister's, BFF's, hell even their daughter's man. Women can be, and socially speaking, are far more sinister when it comes to the topic of flesh.
The ONLY part of GQB's experience that bears any resemblance to mine - was - it depends on the participants
When was he last in the FSU ? How often did he go...? How many YEARS has he lived there ..?
There's your answer...
A lot of totally inept chaps go to Ukraine, Russia,etc., without a clue as to how to interact with a lady at home - let alone over here..
They don't speak the language and the trip is a 'failure'..
I speak as one of those inept chaps (from 2003/4) ..Back then we didn't have smartphones and on-line translations that could listen and 'translate' ..
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A lot of totally inept chaps go to Ukraine, Russia,etc., without a clue as to how to interact with a lady at home - let alone over here..
They don't speak the language and the trip is a 'failure'..
I speak as one of those inept chaps (from 2003/4) ..Back then we didn't have smartphones and on-line translations that could listen and 'translate' ..
And, you are still one of those inept chaps. You married a local woman and that failed. You went to FSU and married a woman from there and that failed. You go back and marry another and still a newlywed. If your history bears out, that one to will fail. You are nobody to be taking the high ground for successful marriages. You sir are living proof that anybody can get married but not everyone can make them work
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The ONLY part of GQB's experience that bears any resemblance to mine - was - it depends on the participants
When was he last in the FSU ? How often did he go...? How many YEARS has he lived there ..?
There's your answer...
How exactly did this 'fit' into the dialogue ML and I were having again? It's always good to pay attention to what was being said, especially when it comes to dating or any social interactions. That behavior is definitely lacking on some more so than others as this segment just illustrated.
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And, you are still one of those inept chaps. You married a local woman and that failed. You went to FSU and married a woman from there and that failed. You go back and marry another and still a newlywed. If your history bears out, that one to will fail. You are nobody to be taking the high ground for successful marriages. You sir are living proof that anybody can get married but not everyone can make them work
Such people wont find anybody for serious relationship, just because they are egoistic. Such people have an illusion of happy life. They want everything have to be done only for them. They don't know that both of them( a woman and a man) need to work for being happy. This man got used to take and he doesn't want to give. That woman which decided to live which this man, she must do everything only for him even in sex and forget about herself, otherwise he'll go. She doesn't respect herself of course.
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Such people wont find anybody for serious relationship, just because they are egoistic. Such people have an illusion of happy life. They want everything have to be done only for them. They don't know that both of them( a woman and a man) need to work for being happy. This man got used to take and he doesn't want to give. That woman which decided to live which this man, she must do everything only for him even in sex and forget about herself, otherwise he'll go. She doesn't respect herself of course.
NatalY
My first RU wife left ME ...I gave all I had and more to try and save our business and marriage .. :popcorn:
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NatalY
My first RU wife left ME ...I gave all I had and more to try and save our business and marriage .. :popcorn:
Get this Mob, my Ex is now playing the victim and telling everyone I left her. She filed, not me. Go figure....
my 2 cents on happy couples
1) If a woman doesn't an want egotistical guy, don't wait at the finish line to pick a winner to marry. There are plenty of low ego guys out there that want you. Wait till all the runners are through, and pick one of the ones that come in last
2) To make it work with a foreign Bride, BOTH sides have to give 100%. In my case, I also got 100% from my family, because they liked her so much more than my previous girlfriends. But even then, after 23 years people change. Lots of reasons, Egotistical husband, wife turns into a Stalin Era Babushka, Empty Nest syndrome, ring the cash register or whatever
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Get this Mob, my Ex is now playing the victim and telling everyone I left her. She filed, not me. Go figure....
Indeed, when I figure your point .. :popcorn:
You may have missed my point was specific and in response to NatalY
But even then, after 23 years people change. Lots of reasons, Egotistical husband, wife turns into a Stalin Era Babushka, Empty Nest syndrome, ring the cash register or whatever
I'm pretty certain that if our exceptional circumstance hadn't occurred we'd still be married - but *I'm* the one now glad it DID happen ...
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Indeed, when I figure your point .. :popcorn:
You may have missed my point was specific and in response to NatalY
I'm pretty certain that if our exceptional circumstance hadn't occurred we'd still be married - but *I'm* the one now glad it DID happen ...
Im still not GLAD the divorce happened, I loved her. Even after she got mean and nasty, I remembered how sweet and adorable she was. She still is beautiful, but heaven help the next guy. I will say this, my life has gotten more exciting. And it will be better now that my 24 yr old Laos GF finally got her Passport, taking her to Bali next week
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I prefer my wife to be considerably older than my kids ..like she could be their Ma ....
But I wish you a great time in Bali...
From what you have posted you seem not to have got over you wife.
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Yes, yes, never mind all that, this thread is supposed to be about Nataly and her dating life.
Nataly, perhaps you can tell us more about yourself so we may be able to assist you. Perhaps you can tell us your age, line of work and what you hope for in seeking a western man?
What led you to looking for a man abroad?
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Get this Mob, my Ex is now playing the victim and telling everyone I left her. She filed, not me. Go figure....
my 2 cents on happy couples
1) If a woman doesn't an want egotistical guy, don't wait at the finish line to pick a winner to marry. There are plenty of low ego guys out there that want you. Wait till all the runners are through, and pick one of the ones that come in last
2) To make it work with a foreign Bride, BOTH sides have to give 100%. In my case, I also got 100% from my family, because they liked her so much more than my previous girlfriends. But even then, after 23 years people change. Lots of reasons, Egotistical husband, wife turns into a Stalin Era Babushka, Empty Nest syndrome, ring the cash register or whatever
You see, having an experience you can discuss this problem. For many people marriage is a problem. I had a relationship with foreigner. It was difficult, course both needs to work, if only one side tries and another prefer to pass, it gonna end very soon. I know a lot international couples and they are happy. It's a hard work, nothing will help ( wealth or beauty of your soulmate), only hard work, cooperation. If one eye can't see, another one will help to see what is in front of you, if one hand is broken, another one gonna help to it, or to take a shower, otherwise this mechanism will stop working properly. And doesn't matter how old are you, you can be the oldest in the world, but the youngest can be happy, just because he is the wisest.
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Yes, yes, never mind all that, this thread is supposed to be about Nataly and her dating life.
Nataly, perhaps you can tell us more about yourself so we may be able to assist you. Perhaps you can tell us your age, line of work and what you hope for in seeking a western man?
What led you to looking for a man abroad?
It's not so important, I mean Ukrainian guy or American for example. Everyone wants to find his soulmate. And your soulmate can live everywhere. Maybe I'm romantic more then enough)))). Who is the best friend? Do you know? Yes, that person who will help you at any time, who wants to take to you every day and time hear you every minute, who will ask you if you need money. It's life: today you have everything you want, tomorrow you don't know who can borrow you money for buying something to eat. It's very important to have such person who will be with you no matter what. There are a lot of women trying to find a bag with money abroad and many of those who want to feel happy.
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Sorry for mistakes, it's T9 😁
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It's not so important, I mean Ukrainian guy or American for example. Everyone wants to find his soulmate. And your soulmate can live everywhere. Maybe I'm romantic more then enough)))). Who is the best friend? Do you know? Yes, that person who will help you at any time, who wants to take to you every day and time hear you every minute, who will ask you if you need money. It's life: today you have everything you want, tomorrow you don't know who can borrow you money for buying something to eat. It's very important to have such person who will be with you no matter what. There are a lot of women trying to find a bag with money abroad and many of those who want to feel happy.
I think you have a good points Nataly, a lot of friends don't necessarily have a long term attachment. A partner and family can do. I think you are right also in that circumstances can change dramatically in a short space of time and while some problems hit no matter what it can be better if you have family with you. Asking for money though I would prefer not, lol :-\
Would you say financial reasons are a strong factor in Ukrainian/Russian ladies looking for a relationship abroad?
Apart from looking for a soul mate to share their life with I mean.