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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2014, 10:44:42 AM »
Back to title: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.

What Ukraine should do with them now?

The 'humanitarian' corridor Putin orchestrated was a trap, guys were killed even those who surrendered.

So why Ukraine should do anything different than what Russia is doing? To the wall and gun them down?

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2014, 12:55:31 PM »

So why Ukraine should do anything different than what Russia is doing? To the wall and gun them down?

Because Ukrainians are humane.  If Ukraine were to harm prisoners, world sentiment would disappear.  You are not ISIS.
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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2014, 03:31:38 PM »
They killed those who surrendered, they killed wounded and world discussing shall they ban russian caviar or not.

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2014, 03:42:49 PM »


One reason the West is slow to help Ukraine when in trouble is because their politics are as corrupt as Russia's. If Ukraine is to continue to behave like Russia, they will not get the support they need for the war Putin is pushing. Ukraine needs to take the high road and get sympathy from the citizens of the world so they will push their leaders to get more involved. For now, Ukraine is going to be alone in their fight with Russia. The West is debating on sending them weapons. After enough Ukrainians show the world they are willing to fight for their freedom and die, they may get additional help. Help is almost always necessary in times like this. Even America got help from France in our fight for freedom.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2014, 04:40:43 PM »
Western blindness is seems so unreal.

Reality right now looks so...























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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2014, 05:29:42 PM »
We sure have a lot more murders here than most other civilized countries...especially yours....If you had the mix of people that we did, you might find yourself wanting to be armed too!  Although the gun laws are imperfect,  generally I like the gun laws as they are...but I would like to see especially repeat offenses for violent crimes punished more severely in general.  I do not want to be disarmed myself though, the fact that a lot of us have guns at least gives some criminals pause.   

Agreed. The homicide rate in the US is actually not very high when you take a look at the rest of the Western Hemisphere. Our neighbors in the frigid North excluded.

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2014, 06:09:19 PM »
Back to title: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.

What Ukraine should do with them now?

Milk them for maximum propaganda advantage...

Have the following chat with those paratroopers, "Listen guys, do you really think you're going to have a long and prosperous life back in Russia, after those negative things you said about your own government in front of the camera? What we can do for you is to ask our American or EU friends to grant you asylum, if you are to request it..."

Imagine the humiliation to Putler if some of his captured soldiers are to ask for political asylum from the West.

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2014, 06:59:09 PM »
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So why Ukraine should do anything different than what Russia is doing? To the wall and gun them down?


No.  They should take the high road. It will be better in the long run.

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2014, 02:53:44 AM »
Those boys already home with their mums.

Imagine the humiliation to Putler if some of his captured soldiers are to ask for political asylum from the West.

After capture those boys done what they had to do. They have families at home, their duty was to protect their families. So there never could have been any asylums anywhere. They had to return to Russia, what happens to them we will never know but their families should be safe.

 
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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2014, 06:22:16 AM »
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August 27, 2014 Military Commissioner Lt. Col. Vladimir Moskovka with his son and a friend have been returning to the city Amvrosiyivka in his car. On the outskirts of the city car was stopped by soldiers of 331 st Airborne Regiment of the Russian Armed Forces who, after verification of documents detained men and took them to the field camp of Russian troops near Snizhne.

The next day, the detainees were transferred to the terrorists who currently control Snizhne. August 29 criminals staged a demonstration of the physical punishment of Ukrainian soldiers. To beating and abuse also joined the pro-Russian local separatists.

During the execution of a military commissioner Amvrosiivskyi District Military Commissariat Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Moskovka suffered a heart attack, he died in the hands of his son.

http://gazeta.ua/articles/np/_teroristi-zakatuvali-vijskovogo-komisara-amvrosiyivskogo-rajonnogo-vijskovogo-komisariatu/578270

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #60 on: August 31, 2014, 06:43:08 AM »
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"Today, at 6am here were brought 85 wounded, from - under Illovayska. Some are in critical state. Guys tell us that they were on a humanitarian corridor, but at them cruelly started to shoot Russians and their mercenaries. This hospital accepts most difficult. Designed for 100 people but now increases capacity to 200.

http://gazeta.ua/articles/life/_tyazhko-poranenih-ukrayinskih-bijciv-dostavlyayut-v-gospital-yakij-nalezhit-rosiyanam/578269

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #61 on: August 31, 2014, 07:36:08 AM »
Western blindness is seems so unreal.



I've been one for Western intervention in Ukraine but I live with MANY other citizens who do not want to intervene. They have good reasons for not wanting to intervene. Ukraine has never been a reliable friend or major business partner with the West. They've offered little and thus we have little bond but Ukraine would like us to sacrifice our soldiers lives and economies to help them. Showing the world photos of atrocities will gather sympathy but it may not translate into support. What will get the West involved is if they believe Russia will become a further threat to their existence if they own Ukraine. I believe Russia will be a bigger threat but I also believe Ukraine is worth saving. I believe they can change under the right leadership and the country can prosper.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #62 on: August 31, 2014, 09:54:03 AM »
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"I'll tell you only one episode. Ours fought with real Russian military personnel, citizens of Donetsk at the exit of the column did not exist. Russians gave the word of officer that will release (surrounded Ukrainians). But started shooting. However it is not even about the word of officer. The fact is that in our column were dozens of wounded and prisoners of Russian paratroopers, they killed them too. Russia, you can continue to remain silent. "

http://gazeta.ua/articles/np/_sered-rozstrilyanih-u-zelenomu-koridori-buli-poloneni-rosijski-desantniki-filatov/578289

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #63 on: August 31, 2014, 12:50:06 PM »
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The National Security Council released radio coverage of terrorists, which reveals their plans for Ukrainian prisoners.

Head of the Coordination center for so-called "New Russia" in Moscow Alexei Markov speaking with the so-called "prime minister" of terrorist organization "DNR" Alexander Zaharchenko, talking about creating a "interrogations cell"

In this cell is planned to beat out confessions out of Ukrainian prisoners of war, and then transport them to Russia. They then plan their "arrest" for allegedly illegally crossing the border. And then hold show trials.

http://gazeta.ua/articles/np/_bojoviki-planuyut-izolyator-dopitiv-i-pokazovi-sudi-dlya-polonenih/578297



By the way National Security Council website has option for english language and english speakers could see info releases there straight away without waiting till western media publishes it (tho not all pages yet translated in english)

http://mediarnbo.org/?lang=en
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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #64 on: August 31, 2014, 02:15:41 PM »
Canada has created an instructive map for clueless, wandering Russian soldiers:


http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-nato-russia-ukraine-putin-2014-8

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #65 on: August 31, 2014, 02:52:10 PM »
some on this board will tell us these people are paid or are stupid:

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #66 on: August 31, 2014, 05:12:25 PM »
the shame of the EU/UN/NATO/US is that they did not act sooner in this ongoing saga of war,

they should have sent 10 000 un peackeepers into the donbass back in late feb when putin annexxed crimea ,

thus it would never have gotten this far to death , killings and war

putin is not about to stop , he has imo just paused to see the wests reaction or lack of action as per usual

the leaders of those  countrys who signed the budapest memorandum should hang their head in shame

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #67 on: August 31, 2014, 08:14:40 PM »
A peacekeeping force or an intervention force?

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #68 on: August 31, 2014, 08:49:39 PM »
LT

imho , IF a force of up to 10000  UN soldiers had been put on the ground as PEACEKEEPERS IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS BACK IN MID/LATE FEB , , putin would have not been able to get his proxy war going so easily in the donbass

key thing is it  would have enabled the ukraine gov, NATO, EU & UN , all to say , yes mr vladimir , we hear your concern for russian speakers in the s/east of ukraine , and yes we hear you dont trust the ukraine gov [junta ] however these forces will keep the peace until things settle and become stable after a new election on may 25th

basically it would have removed the oppurtunity for putin to fill the force vaccum in the s/east , while allowing them to say his requests/fears had been addressed and he did not need to put forces into play , & if he did on what pretext could he have done it ??without starting an all out conflict, ?

it simply would  have put peacekeeing facts on the ground first & sidelined putins actions imo

fact is no one in the west was prepared to bite the bullet and take such strong action then ,
the result is what we have now

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #69 on: August 31, 2014, 10:09:38 PM »
The problem is UN peacekeepers have to be approved by the Security Council, where Russia has a veto.
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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #70 on: August 31, 2014, 10:57:40 PM »
The problem is UN peacekeepers have to be approved by the Security Council, where Russia has a veto.

BO , that is quite true ,

pity is it was never even proposed formally to the best of my reading back then

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #71 on: September 01, 2014, 04:52:40 AM »
The problem is UN peacekeepers have to be approved by the Security Council, where Russia has a veto.
The actual problem is that Russia would wanted to have been part of the UN mission.
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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #72 on: September 01, 2014, 05:07:31 AM »
The actual problem is that Russia would wanted to have been part of the UN mission.

Yup. Like the fox guarding the chicken house

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #73 on: September 01, 2014, 05:52:39 AM »
For the likes of Manny and his ilk.

The people of Mariupol,including women and children,would rather die fighting,rather than let the pro-Russian separatist and Russian scum back into their city.

So,for claiming it's the Ukrainian so-called "Junta" (your words ) who are at fault for the atrocities currently happening in Ukraine,and that Putin is an ok guy..hang your heads in shame.

The same applies to the deluded Russian posters on here who have been defending the actions of your country.

There is NO defense for what the thieving and lying Putin is doing..none at all..just as there wasn't for Hitler.
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Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Russian Troops captured in Ukraine.
« Reply #74 on: September 01, 2014, 06:29:52 AM »
For the likes of Manny and his ilk.

The people of Mariupol,including women and children,would rather die fighting,rather than let the pro-Russian separatist and Russian scum back into their city.

So,for claiming it's the Ukrainian so-called "Junta" (your words ) who are at fault for the atrocities currently happening in Ukraine,and that Putin is an ok guy..hang your heads in shame.

The same applies to the deluded Russian posters on here who have been defending the actions of your country.

There is NO defense for what the thieving and lying Putin is doing..none at all..just as there wasn't for Hitler.
In a civil war both sides are prepared to give their lives for victory.
That does not make one side more or less atrocious as the other.
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