The Russian Invasion of Ukraine-The Real Nazis

[sleepycat]

...Meanwhile, in other news it looks like the Russians are employing their own GPS system to navigate the back roads of Ukraine again...

Ukraine Detains Alleged Russian Officer In East

..."Ukraine's border-guards service says it has detained a Russian officer who was driving in a military truck packed with ammunition in the country's war-torn east.

 The service said in a statement that the man acknowledged he was a Russian major in a rocket-artillery unit.

 "He had no documents," said border guards spokesman Oleksandr Tomchyshyn. "He is responsible for ammunition supply. He said that while delivering the ammunition they had got lost."...

..."The border-guards service said it found nearly 200 cases containing grenades and ammunition, including rocket-propelled shells, in the truck.

 The vehicle was stopped about 45 kilometers southwest of Donetsk, the largest city in eastern Ukraine under rebel control.

 It was reportedly driving from the direction of Olenivka, a town also held by the separatists, and halted only after Ukrainian border guards fired warning shots.

 "We can assume that they took a wrong direction while driving, got lost and came on our checkpoint," military spokesman Oleksandr Motuzyanuk told journalists.

 There was no immediate comment from the Russian military."...



http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-detains-alleged-russian-officer-truck-weapons/27153552.html

...'Wrong Way' Boris is probably kicking his a$$ he didn't take that left turn at Krasnyi Luch.

Brass

Something doesn't smell right...

A rank of Major escorting a munitions delivery?
How does things work in the Russkies military, do Field Marshals personally perform the morning roll calls?

It will be comical irony if the Ukrainian government returns these captured munitions to those terrorists scum via the barrel of artillery guns. 

[southernX]

sleepy cat ..Something doesn't smell right...

given the unorthodox & chaotic nature of the hybrid war putin is engaged in ukriane anything is possible
this bloke may have just been taking the ride as an extra across the border to swap with another commander and they got lost as described , ending up at the checkpoint

easily done in the semi rural landscape without a proper gps if your not a local

given they thought they where in seperatist territory the truck really did not need an escort anyway 
i mean who realsitically would fcuk with putins supply convoys in the donbass ?
do so at your own peril i would think 
SX

[Anotherkiwi]

...given they thought they where in seperatist territory the truck really did not need an escort anyway 

You mean they never saw the sign pointing to Novorossiya - BACK down the road they were on?  The current front line in that direction is only about 12 km from Donetsk - how could they possibly go another 30 km without realising that all the flags around were blue and yellow? 

[southernX]

You mean they never saw the sign pointing to Novorossiya - BACK down the road they were on?  The current front line in that direction is only about 12 km from Donetsk - how could they possibly go another 30 km without realising that all the flags around were blue and yellow? 

no i mean when the truck  left the russian border and crossed over into rebel held territory of ukraine it was only one truck and highly possible it did not need an escort to get to it destination with the donetsk rebel held area given it was considered under their control

they then got lost , this is a war zone , it is entirely possible they did lose their bearings in a rural setting they where unfamiliar with especially if they where sent out to a smaller military position close to the fighting zone 

quite humanly possible of fcucking up the delivery and making a wrong turn , ending up at a check point  imo


SX

[Anotherkiwi]

no i mean when the truck  left the russian border and crossed over into rebel held territory of ukraine it was only one truck and highly possible it did not need an escort to get to it destination with the donetsk rebel held area given it was considered under their control

they then got lost , this is a war zone , it is entirely possible they did lose their bearings in a rural setting they where unfamiliar with especially if they where sent out to a smaller military position close to the fighting zone 

quite humanly possible of fcucking up the delivery and making a wrong turn , ending up at a check point  imo


SX

I know what you're saying, but it sounds awfully close to sympathising with the poor driver for the lousy quality of his GPS unit! 

[southernX]

I know what you're saying, but it sounds awfully close to sympathising with the poor driver for the lousy quality of his GPS unit! 

AK thats if he had  a gps unit ,    also possible he did not have one , im sure you have seen how the people their can improvise with shite that makes you look and just shake your head sometimes ,

being sent out to deliver a single truck load of ammo on rural country back roads with little to no markings if its not your local area, easy to see how it could happen

truth is often stranger than fiction 


sympathise with him, nah no where near that mate ,

however id not hate him either , at the end of the day these  are  humans on oppsoite sides of a conflict , fears sets in and can overtake all good common sense like we know it here

the russian side is being fed nationalistic BS , most people will often blindly follow the authoritys and do what their told even if they may think opposite and in  russia/ukraine  my experience is often people will just follow the party line and not rock the boat at all , especially if their paid , and the gov tells them to do it !!

with all my dealings with AUTHORITY [visa, embassys , customs , police etc ] there   and here especially IMMI , my wife was dead against any form of questioning and  quizzing , she thought of it as a provocation that would get you into deep Stuff , the general mentality is just dont do it , 

i still think what putins russia is doing is totally wrong , however how people are behaving under his regime is somwhat understandable to me as well

SX

[Brasscasing]

Something doesn't smell right...

A rank of Major escorting a munitions delivery?
How does things work in the Russkies military, do Field Marshals personally perform the morning roll calls?

It will be comical irony if the Ukrainian government returns these captured munitions to those terrorists scum via the barrel of artillery guns. 

Smell right? - Yeah, I initially raised an eyebrow as well but looking at the reporting the article appears to be legit...

Another suspected Russian soldier was caught with a truck full of ammunition in Ukraine

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-ukraine-detains-another-suspected-russian-soldier-in-east-2015-7#ixzz3hCfRGfFw



A better image of the seized ordnance.

What the Ukrainian military needs to understand is that they must process these seizures as if it were a crime scene.

Meaning not just close in pics of cargo but detailed processing of documentation (vehicle, personal, invoices, etc.), the vehicle registration, manufacturing marks, uniforms, maps, electronics (GPS systems if present) etc.

They are entirely too casual with these incidents. Handled properly it's these very seizures that would provide conclusive evidence as to Russia's involvement.

The rank - Actually, having worked with/alongside the Russians, it's not unusual to see what we'd consider to be misemployment of rank. Keep in mind they'd just lost a similar shipment a couple of days prior and if 'Wrong Way' Boris had been the battalion/company CQ/Supply guy, he may have wanted/been ordered to ensure delivery this time. Or as one of the guys mentioned he may have simply hitched a ride or was been transferred to a forward unit/taking the lay of the land.

Return to sender - I hope they don't. It should be sealed and held as evidence for the war crimes tribunals that are sure to follow Putin's downfall or defeat in Ukraine.

Brass

[2tallbill]

Sorry this is a bit off topic

 

Russian neo-Nazi Ilya Goryachev was jailed for life for a string of hate killings in Russia

read all about it here
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russian-neo-nazi-ilya-goryachev-was-jailed-for-life-for-a-string-of-hate-killings-in-russia/story-fnh81p7g-1227460970542

[2tallbill]

Russian 'Miss Charming' Loses Title After Being Exposed as Neo-Nazi







After a series of vitriolic social media postings exposed the Russian Football Premier League's newly crowned “Miss Charming” as a racist and dedicated neo-Nazi, organizers of the Miss Premier League competition stripped her of her title, Russian media reported Tuesday.

Every year, each of Russia's 16 football clubs picks one girl from a pool of attractive
female fans to represent them in the Miss Premier League pageant. Their selections
then compete against one another for the over-all title.

This year, CSKA Moscow picked 21-year-old Olga Kuzkova to be their team's queen.
Though she fell short of the grand prize, Kuzkova was declared the most charming
of her peers.


read about it here
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-miss-charming-loses-title-after-being-exposed-as-neo-nazi/525936.html

[Rick4G]

BEAUTIFUL GIRL but she is emblematic of the pervasiveness of racism among the Russian soccer community.
Even when they play against Polish and other predominately "white" teams, the Russian nationalist thugs are very active in the stands
and on the grounds, beating anyone who isnt a fan...

[Boethius]

Article on the lack of religious tolerance in Russian backed DPR/LNR.  From the beginning, Protestants were tortured and shot.  What those pro Russian lumpenproletariats and their useful idiots don't know is that large swathes of that region were always historically Protestant, largely Baptist and Lutheran.

http://ukrainianweek.com/Society/141758

[tfcrew]

  Ukraine Russia Conflict: Ukrainians Getting Lethal Weapons From Poland And Italy, Pro-Russian Rebels Claim

 "The Ukrainian military have been using mortar, anti-personnel and anti-tank mines made in Italy and Poland"

http://www.infowars.com/ukraine-russia-conflict-ukrainians-getting-lethal-weapons-from-poland-and-italy-pro-russian-rebels-claim/



                                                                                                                  

[Anotherkiwi]

  Ukraine Russia Conflict: Ukrainians Getting Lethal Weapons From Poland And Italy, Pro-Russian Rebels Claim

 "The Ukrainian military have been using mortar, anti-personnel and anti-tank mines made in Italy and Poland"

http://www.infowars.com/ukraine-russia-conflict-ukrainians-getting-lethal-weapons-from-poland-and-italy-pro-russian-rebels-claim/

Oh, dear, what a shame!  Whatever will those perfidious Ukrainians think of next?

[sleepycat]

Maybe Poland and Italy can balance the ledger up by exporting prosthetic limbs to those silly pro-putinists. 

[SANDRO43]

"The Ukrainian military have been using mortar, anti-personnel and anti-tank mines made in Italy and Poland"   

Must be old stuff from who knows where . Valsella - since 1984 a company of the FIAT group - used to be a major producer of mines, until:

Valsella ceased production of mines in 1994 due to the Italian Government's moratorium on production of anti-personnel mines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valsella_Meccanotecnica

[HoundDaddyLee]

  Ukraine Russia Conflict: Ukrainians Getting Lethal Weapons From Poland And Italy, Pro-Russian Rebels Claim

 "The Ukrainian military have been using mortar, anti-personnel and anti-tank mines made in Italy and Poland"

http://www.infowars.com/ukraine-russia-conflict-ukrainians-getting-lethal-weapons-from-poland-and-italy-pro-russian-rebels-claim/



                                                                                                                 

tfc, you pretty much lose the moral or intelligent high ground when you quote an Alex Jone's website (infowars.com). Alex Jone's and his ilk are batsh*t crazy and see boogey men around every corner. They are conspiracy nuts. Just read the comments on this article. Wow.


I spent about a year listening to Alex everyday. Just to get a different view. They are complete wack jobs. Interesting to see they are now Pro-Putin as well. Putin, that that great proponent of Liberty!


HDL

[mendeleyev]

I believe that they were among the sites supposedly seeing helicopters swirling above the Kremlin, large semi trucks parked just off Red Square, and soldiers deployed on street corners during the time of Putin's brief disappearance some time back.

Someone in that network contacted and asked me to supply photos/videos of the aforementioned. The only problem was that except for the large semi trucks that had brought in staging equipment for the then-upcoming Day of Russia event, there were no helicopters swirling above the Kremlin, nor had troops been deployed on the streets.

I politely pointed out that the Kremlin and Red Square area constitutes  a "no fly" zone except for president/prime minister helicopter transports, explained the purpose of the trucks, and supplied numerous webcam sites to prove that there was no general troop deployments on the streets of Moscow.

The contact was disappointed, and hinted that perhaps I was part of the great Washington/CIA/NATO/West conspiracy that somehow was surely responsible for Mr Putin's whereabouts. Sure thing. I am also Santa Claus, Grandfather Frost, the Tooth Fairy, and Richard Nixon reincarnated. 

[HoundDaddyLee]

I believe that they were among the sites supposedly seeing helicopters swirling above the Kremlin, large semi trucks parked just off Red Square, and soldiers deployed on street corners during the time of Putin's brief disappearance some time back.

Someone in that network contacted and asked me to supply photos/videos of the aforementioned. The only problem was that except for the large semi trucks that had brought in staging equipment for the then-upcoming Day of Russia event, there were no helicopters swirling above the Kremlin, nor had troops been deployed on the streets.

I politely pointed out that the Kremlin and Red Square area constitutes  a "no fly" zone except for president/prime minister helicopter transports, explained the purpose of the trucks, and supplied numerous webcam sites to prove that there was no general troop deployments on the streets of Moscow.

The contact was disappointed, and hinted that perhaps I was part of the great Washington/CIA/NATO/West conspiracy that somehow was surely responsible for Mr Putin's whereabouts. Sure thing. I am also Santa Claus, Grandfather Frost, the Tooth Fairy, and Richard Nixon reincarnated. 

That is hilarious. If you don't buy into their lunacy, you are part of the conspiracy.


Remember these are the folks that claim the WTC was brought down with demolition charges. I image the workers in the building seeing men putting charges in the walls in the weeks leading up to 9/11 not saying anything or question such activity. They are complete loons. Better your good name was not associated with them.


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[JayH]

The disturbing tolerated trend in Russia.
White supremacist gathering underscores Russia's nationalist trend


The protesters, several thousand strong and surrounded by hundreds of armed police, chanted nationalist slogans and racial slurs, occasionally raising their right hands in a Nazi salute.

It was the 10th annual gathering of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and far-right nationalists, held in Moscow in November.

"Nationalism has a bright future in Russia," said co-organizer Dmitri Demushkin, 36, a former skinhead and ex-leader of the Slavic Union, a banned group whose Russian initials, SS, intentionally mimic those of the Nazi paramilitaries. "We will either win or the Russian people will die."

The very existence of homebred neo-Nazis and racists, made graphically clear each year in what is known as the Russian March, is still shocking to many in Russia, a multiethnic country that once professed to be building an internationalist, communist utopia and still prides itself on the victory over Nazi Germany in World War II.

 la-fg-russia-neo-nazi
Dmitri Demushkin is one of the organizers of the Russian March, the annual showdown of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and far-right nationalists held in Moscow and Russia's largest cities in early November. (Mansur Mirovalev / For The Times)
Yet Russia's far right isn't limited to a few marginal figures. It is a vortex of militant gangs, movements and political parties that enlist tens of thousands of members who are also among those most loudly applauding President Vladimir Putin and his strong-arm policies against Ukraine and other former Soviet republics.

The Kremlin cracked down on right-wing radicals who emerged after the 1991 Soviet collapse and mushroomed in the 2000s in response to Islamist terrorism attacks and the influx of millions of migrants from Central Asia and Russia's mostly Muslim Caucasus region, where two wars in Chechnya fueled racism and unrest.

In 2006, a neo-Nazi group organized seven bombings across Moscow, one of which killed 14 people at an outdoor market, including two children. Most of the victims were foreign labor migrants.

At the peak of racially motivated violence in 2008, at least 110 people were killed and 487 wounded, according to Sova, a Moscow-based hate crimes watchdog organization.

Such crimes have declined sharply since a crackdown on ultranationalists began about five years ago. In the first half of this year, four people died and 37 were wounded in racial violence, Sova reports.

But even as the Kremlin sought to rein in the violent right, it also incorporated elements of the nationalist agenda as part of its anti-Western and isolationist ideology that praises the "unique Russian civilization" devoid of "decadent" liberalism.

Officially tolerated expressions of racism such as the Russian March have nurtured the growing xenophobia and intolerance gripping Russia today. Some 54% of Russians support the idea of "Russia for ethnic Russians," and more than a third would welcome the expulsion of Caucasus and Central Asian Muslims, according to the latest poll on the matter, a July 2014 survey by the independent Levada Center.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-neonazi-20150822-story.html

[JayH]

 Putin fears competition, opposition and any cry of dissent. In pursuit of absolute power, he is suffocating his own society.

Vladimir Putin is suffocating his own nation




IN THE tumult and uncertainty that marked Russia after the Soviet Union imploded, when the state was weak and many institutions tottering, a vital lifeline was extended from the West. The U.S. government, as well as foundations and philanthropies, responded generously. The financier George Soros, through his Open Society Foundations, provided small grants that sustained many impoverished scientists. The MacArthur Foundation and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) were vital sources of support to civil society, education and human rights.

Now, President Vladimir Putin is forcing these organizations out of Russia, using law enforcement and a parliament that he controls. Mr. Putin’s larger target is to destroy civil society, that vital two-way link in any democracy between the rulers and the ruled. The latest move, announced Tuesday, is to declare the NED an “undesirable” organization under the terms of a law that Mr. Putin signed in May. The law bans groups from abroad who are deemed a “threat to the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation, its defense capabilities and its national security.”

The charge against the NED is patently ridiculous. The NED’s grantees in Russia last year ran the gamut of civil society. They advocated transparency in public affairs, fought corruption and promoted human rights, freedom of information and freedom of association, among other things. All these activities make for a healthy democracy but are seen as threatening from the Kremlin’s ramparts.

The new law on “undesirables” comes in addition to one signed in 2012 that gave authorities the power to declare organizations “foreign agents” if they engaged in any kind of politics and receive money from abroad. The designation, from the Stalin era, implies espionage. While the NED is the first organization to be labeled “undesirable,” on July 5, the Dynasty Foundation, which had provided millions of dollars for science and education in Russia, reported that it was closing after being labeled a “foreign agent.”

Others are feeling the chill. On July 24, the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation of Flint, Mich., an independent, private philanthropy that had supported community education in Russia and contributed more than $25 million since the early 1990s, announced that it would no longer support organizations in Russia. The Federation Council, Russia’s upper house of parliament, had put the foundation on a list of potentially undesirable organizations that was submitted to authorities. On July 21, the MacArthur Foundation, which had provided more than $173 million in grants in Russia since 1992 to further higher education, advance human rights and combat nuclear proliferation, said that it was closing its office in Moscow. MacArthur had also been put on parliament’s hit list.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vladimir-putin-is-suffocating-his-own-nation/2015/07/28/3b27ae8e-3562-11e5-adf6-7227f3b7b338_story.html

[JayH]

Says it all--   still people posting on this forum that seem clueless  about  Russia's retrograde criminal intent-time to read!


Russia's truncheon

By Editorial Board August 30 at 7:54 PM
WHEN VLADIMIR Putin first became Russian president, a decade and a half ago, he promised to bring about what he called “dictatorship of the law.” It is an awkward phrase, but the meaning was clear: to bring order out of the tumultuous decade of the 1990s, for the law to reign supreme.

Mr. Putin supervised the rewriting and modernization of many obsolete laws from the Soviet years. But as he turned more authoritarian, the law became just a tool. Mr. Putin followed a long line of predecessors in the Kremlin who have used the police and courts to punish their enemies and stifle dissenting views. Today, this is one of the profound failings of Mr. Putin’s rule — establishing the rule of law is a distant dream.

The latest example was the sentencing in a Russian military court on Aug. 25 of Oleg Sentsov, a 39-year-old filmmaker, to 20 years in a prison camp after conviction on charges of terrorism in the Crimean Peninsula. Mr. Sentsov was active in protests against Viktor Yanukovych , the Russian-backed president of Ukraine, who abandoned his office in the face of widespread demonstrations last year. Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine soon after.

Mr. Sentsov pleaded not guilty to charges by the Russian prosecutors of creating a radical nationalist group in Crimea and setting fire to the offices of pro-Kremlin organizations. Another Crimea activist, Alexander Kolchenko , an ecologist, was sentenced to 10 years as an accomplice. The trial was marked by irregularities; the main prosecution witness recanted in the courtroom and said his evidence had been extracted under duress. Mr. Sentsov said he had been pressed to confess but refused. “I am not going to beg for leniency,” he declared. “Everything is already clear. A court of occupiers cannot be just, by definition.” After the presiding judge read out the sentence and asked Mr. Sentsov and Mr. Kolchenko if they understood, the two men, standing in a glass defendants’ cage, started singing Ukraine’s national anthem, as many did during the protests against the president last year.

The harsh sentences were clearly political, aimed at sending a message to anyone who might oppose the seizure of Crimea. This use of the law as a weapon is hardly isolated. It was employed against the musicians in Pussy Riot, a punk rock band that staged a brief protest against Mr. Putin in Moscow’s central cathedral and were sent to jail. Others who challenged Mr. Putin have suffered the same fate. At the same time, Mr. Putin has signed new laws giving the authorities wide latitude to pressure or close down organizations such as those defending human rights or monitoring elections. These are just as pernicious as the prosecution of individuals who cross Mr. Putin.

They all reflect a sad truth that Russia has not achieved rule of law, but instead is ruled by the arbitrary power of a boss.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russias-truncheon/2015/08/30/b9391dda-4dbd-11e5-84df-923b3ef1a64b_story.html

[Boethius]

International monitors say they have spotted a new kind of Russian weapons system in rebel-held Ukraine this week, possible evidence of Moscow's continued interest in Ukraine even as it focuses on Syria.
The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, which is monitoring a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine, reported that its monitors had seen a mobile TOS-1 'Buratino' weapons system for the first time.


The Buratino is equipped with thermobaric warheads which spread a flammable liquid around a target and then ignite it. It can destroy several city blocks in one strike and cause indiscriminate damage.


Only Russia produces the system and it was not exported to Ukraine before the conflict broke out, according to IHS Jane's Group and the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which track arms exports. . .

Russia denies its military is even in Ukraine. But there have been numerous signs that Moscow backed the rebels with troops and equipment. Reuters reporters spotted two burnt-out tanks last year which military experts identified as Russian army tanks in rebel-held territory.


Alexander Hug, deputy chief monitor of the OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine, told Reuters by phone monitors had spotted the Buratino at a rebel training area in the village of Kruhlyk.

"We saw the weapon on that training ground," Hug said. "Both sides agreed a year ago to withdraw heavy weaponry from the line of contact. Having them near the line of contact is of course a concern as this weapon should be in storage and not be used."


Hug said the weapons system was "indiscriminate and very destructive." The Popular Mechanics website called TOS-1 "hell on earth" for anyone it targeted. . .


The Ukrainian defence ministry said on its website in March that the separatists had used seven TOS-1 Buratino systems and that one of them had been destroyed by its forces.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/02/ukraine-crisis-russia-idUSL5N1213U920151002

[sleepycat]

No doubt the paid troll known as Belvis will find a way to spin this with disinformation.
 

[mendeleyev]

Interesting interview with a Russian soldier in this edition of UNIAN:

http://www.unian.info/war/1160486-russian-soldier-without-russian-army-donbas-militants-would-not-last-a-month.html

He details how Russian solders are sent on "training missions" into Eastern Ukraine. Solders call these "trips." They know that is captured they will be disavowed, but are promised that if killed they will come home in caskets and be buried inside Russia.

[SANDRO43]

They know that is captured they will be disavowed, but are promised that if killed they will come home in caskets and be buried inside Russia.

How consoling , makes one want to volunteer .