Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?

[msmob]

But she could have come to the UK and stayed with you or nearby, you've said it yourself.

Inattentiveness is always an issue for you, Trench ...  and what was my Mum to do if *I* got stuck in FR or CY whilst trying to bring SC back ?

Had you listened to BillyB she would be.

Unless BillyB had a private plane out of Thailand and /or could find a flt that wasn't cancelled .. NO

 

So who would be the best advice to take in future decisions? After hopefully 'learning' from this experience.

Certainly neither you or BillyB ..

You cannot organise a successful date ...

[msmob]

Those who might currently think of 'knocking' WHO will wish the UK ( and USA) listened to their mantra .. TEST, TEST, TEST ..


Germany managed it ....

Coronavirus: UK could be 'worst affected' country in Europe


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52261859

[fathertime]

I think treatment will improve with time as doctors try more techniques and medications, share knowledge, and hopefully come up with much better treatments.

I think and hope you are right.  Hopefully the virus doesn't beat us to the punch and mutate in a way that makes it more deadly before medicine can create medications/techniques that blunt it's force on us.   

Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

But she could have come to the UK and stayed with you or nearby, you've said it yourself. Had you listened to BillyB she would be.

So who would be the best advice to take in future decisions? After hopefully 'learning' from this experience.

Hey are you suggesting that good old moobers lady would be better off with BillyB by her side?   You are cruel!  Unlike you, I don't know if Billyb has hoarded enough TP for all these ladies

Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

Those who might currently think of 'knocking' WHO will wish the UK ( and USA) listened to their mantra .. TEST, TEST, TEST ..


Germany managed it ....

Coronavirus: UK could be 'worst affected' country in Europe


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52261859

Here in the USA we have many individuals that like to blame, blame, blame, unlike other countries that take responsibility and keep their death counts lower. 

Fathertime! 

[Trenchcoat]

Inattentiveness is always an issue for you, Trench ...  and what was my Mum to do if *I* got stuck in FR or CY whilst trying to bring SC back ?

Unless BillyB had a private plane out of Thailand and /or could find a flt that wasn't cancelled .. NO

 
Certainly neither you or BillyB ..

You cannot organise a successful date ...

Oh dear, here we go again, back on our high horse

[msmob]

Oh dear, here we go again, back on our high horse

No, that's a GQB 'phrase' best reserved for those living in a bubble of clueless fog ...  !  You have a had several season tickets to said club

[Gator]

here is a slide from a recent secret federal study
that projects that at the end of next year
1 out of 3 Americans will have had the virus
the death toll will be in the hundreds of thousands

Good slide!!! 

I do not know whether it would stand up to scientific scrutiny, yet it illustrates a most important point. 

Isolating ourselves will not make the COVID-19 'disappear.'  Such will require a vaccine.

Without a vaccine  COVID-19 will become endemic, whether we mitigate or not.  It will for a short period infect and kill at a level not significantly greater than for seasonal flu.   And even those numbers of deaths will reduce naturally to much lower levels because of herd immunity and hygiene hypothesis. 

In other words, we need to transition to our past way of living and working, adding of course some mitigating accommodations.  Given the medical research effort underway, we will have more improved treatments for those who become infected.

economy will contract by 40%

Only if we stay hidden in our closet.   

[msmob]

The ONLY reason it is not killing at a greater level than some flu' outbreaks IS staying at home - to aid our health services from being swamped

[BillyB]

The now starving Italians have reason to be grateful to the Mafia rather than the EU in their hour of need:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/mafia-distributes-food-to-italys-struggling-residents

The mafia is trying to pull a Putin. It is likely public confidence in the Italian government will be reduced after this crisis and certain organizations and nations may try to exploit the situation to gain more supporters.

Unless BillyB had a private plane out of Thailand and /or could find a flt that wasn't cancelled .. NO

 

We discussed Trump's January travel ban. You said SC was safe in Thailand as the ban and virus wasn't there. Travel getting banned and borders closing worldwide didn't happen in a day. You watched these events unfold over time and waited too long to take action yet you feel qualified to criticize World leaders who took action before you. You snooze, you lose.

[msmob]

We discussed Trump's January travel ban. You said SC was safe in Thailand as the ban and virus wasn't there.

FIBBER

1/ The day SC went Thailand, it was only second to China in deaths .. ( it was either 14 or 17 )   She was to be there during the Chinese New Year .....  IF you bothered to check ... I re-booked her out of the condo she stayed i last year and moved her to her own self-contained bungalow..


2/ She was booked to come back earlier than she did, the flights were cancelled ...

3/ She was never ill .. but of course she may have been infected and be asymptomatic  ..

Travel getting banned and borders closing worldwide didn't happen in a day. You watched these events unfold over time and waited too long to take action yet you feel qualified to criticize World leaders who took action before you. You snooze, you lose.

Again, NO ... 

1/ SC had flts booked..she was safe were she was .. 

2/ I criticised 'Trampu' for banning flts from the EU and OMITTING the UK / IRL... Your inattentiveness is legendary


 

[GQBlues]

I’m happy to learn Boris Johnson reportedly recovered from his condition and are progressing favorably.  Timely ‘resurrection’ for this Easter Day!

[msmob]

Gifts from Turkey to the UK !




A400M lands at Brize Norton [ an air base near me and not far from RAF Fairford which is used by US B-52's and B1's]

 with vital PPE donated by Turkey with poetic message of hope

http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/gallery/a400m-lands-brize-norton-vital-4041065

[krimster2]

the next GRU target is the USS CARL VINSON
after that, Iran has the “go-ahead” from Russia
Russia will transfer hundreds of Russian aircraft
and missiles

Russia has given Iran nuclear technology to make their own light weight low yield nuke
to go in the new locally made silkworm missiles with over 500 km range...
Iranian boats coming in close to Saudi coast line could even hit the capital with one of these!!

GRU is attacking the USA on multiple fronts

1. general covid disinformation
2. promote virus is a hoax/back to work memes
3. promote class struggle memes: the rich get richer, while the poor die of covid
4. infect key usa military assets with covert ops under guise of natural infection

[Trenchcoat]

the next GRU target is the USS CARL VINSON
after that, Iran has the “go-ahead” from Russia
Russia will transfer hundreds of Russian aircraft
and missiles

Russia has given Iran nuclear technology to make their own light weight low yield nuke
to go in the new locally made silkworm missiles with over 500 km range...
Iranian boats coming in close to Saudi coast line could even hit the capital with one of these!!

GRU is attacking the USA on multiple fronts

1. general covid disinformation
2. promote virus is a hoax/back to work memes
3. promote class struggle memes: the rich get richer, while the poor die of covid
4. infect key usa military assets with covert ops under guise of natural infection

Now is the time to act!

We need to attack Iran while they are distracted and weak with Coronavirus. Pummel them with all the arsenal we have at our disposal, then invade and take out this evil vile regime.

At the same time the UK should terminate it's trade deal negotiations with the EU and declare a trade embargo on all EU goods. Bring down the EU early so we can trade with nations in Europe under our own terms.

Finally, the UK needs to aid Ukraine and send in British tanks to destroy Russian forces in eastern Ukraine. Hammer them hard and give them no let up.

[fathertime]

Look, Billyb was right again! 
It appears this virus doesn't some lasting harm that may weaken the body for the next time it strikes in a slightly different form.  So survive the first wave only to get taken out in the 2nd or 3rd wave.  Just spectacular!

Coronavirus infection may cause lasting damage throughout the body, doctors fear

For a world grappling with the new coronavirus, it’s becoming increasingly clear that even when the pandemic is over, it won't really be over.

Now doctors are beginning to worry that for patients who have survived COVID-19, the same may be true.

For the sickest patients, infection with the new coronavirus is proving to be a full-body assault, causing damage well beyond the lungs. And even after patients who become severely ill have recovered and cleared the virus, physicians have begun seeing evidence of the infection's lingering effects.....

  http://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-infection-may-cause-lasting-220307511.html 
Fathertime! 

[Trenchcoat]

Yeah, think we're going to have to see how this virus pans out. The article says that even those with mild symptoms can have long lasting perhaps permanent damage to their organs, so not just lungs either. That's bad news and means it would be good to avoid it. It looks like we are still in early days with it but even still presently in the UK it is killing around 1000 a day with over 11000 deaths already. Most of that will be in London.

So essentially we are following the same path as Italy, etc. Spain has today announced that it will be easing up on its lockdown allowing construction & factories to reopen with social distancing. That those is really becoming essential as their economy begins to collapse. Numbers of deaths & infections out there might be falling but ordinarily it would be too early to ease up on restrictions.

The degree to which this virus can reinfect is still a little uncertain. We know from China it has in a few cases but that's about it. We know it can mutate and has been but last we heard of that a few weeks ago the mutations were little and similar.

I've no doubt this virus thing will be knocking on a while and society will just have to reorganize the way it does things.

[msmob]

Look, Billyb was right again! 

Oh yeah ?

You mean that if we have a dose of the flu', our immune systems aren't more open to other infections ... that's normal .. 

It appears this virus doesn't some lasting harm that may weaken the body for the next time it strikes in a slightly different form.  So survive the first wave only to get taken out in the 2nd or 3rd wave.  Just spectacular!

'It appears', 'apparently', 'it is reported' ....  in this modern era of 'Chinese Whispers' and BillyB - type 'news' should - in most cases - be treated in the same fashion as if the hospital Janitor is offering to do you a free frontal lobotomy in the wee small hours ...

It's simply too early to be certain ...

By now, we all may know folks that have had this virus ... I do ... Belarus lady ( aged sl. under 60), UK Hubbie, ( mid 70's and obese)  her (UK) step-son, late 30's....live under one roof and she is a carer for elderly folk ....   SHE got 'it' first, then hubbie, then her step-son ...

All seemingly recovered  - hubbie still weakened ... t'other fully recovered...  It's certainly no representative study  .. Certainly, will let you know if they feel any lasting effects .

[BillyB]

FT, I learned some things about the original SARS virus months ago to get an idea what SARS COV-2 virus may do. There could be lasting physical and mental damage. If you guys know young people who do not care, you may want to share the info from FT's Yahoo article talking about the study showing those who survived mild and severe disease, researchers found that many of the biological measures had “failed to return to normal.”  If you are a person that thinks getting the virus and be done with it is the smart thing to do, think twice. It's possible this virus can cause lasting damage to various organs. Damaged organs will impact quality of life and shorten life expectancy.

Here's info from the original SARS coronavirus. Physical and mental damage can last for years. The SARS related medical problems have become an additional burden on  medical communities it affected for a long after people survive the virus. The additional medical costs will be taxing on the economy for a long time. We can't afford to let every person in the world get SARS COV-2. Fortunately SARS didn't infect as many people as this virus and it was pretty much stopped in 2 years although a vaccine or treatment was never found for it. Going for herd immunity letting this new virus run its course is not smart.

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1203389/ten-years-mental-and-physical-scars-sars

http://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/05/11/sars-survivors-may-face-lasting-lung-injury/0e6ba9ed-599f-4490-9d8a-901db1f369e8/


A 2-year study of a selected population of SARS survivors, showed significant impairment of DL(CO), exercise capacity and health status persisted, with a more marked adverse impact among HCW. 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20337995


ER nurse in New Orleans used to see 1 person die per month. Now he sees 9 people die per month. COVID-19 will easily by far become the #1 killer of a population in areas where there is an epidemic. A few areas of America have experienced outbreaks. For a brief time, those few areas have caused 2000 Americans to die each day. At that pace 730,000 Americans would die in a year and with a outbreaks in just a few areas of America at any given time would make COVID-19 #1 killer in all America. To keep deaths down, all nations will have to sacrifice jobs, education, and economies.

http://news.yahoo.com/er-nurse-orleans-growing-coronavirus-093000174.html

[Grumpy]

A lighter take on covid-19 here:

http://xkcd.com/2287/

[GQBlues]

Hhhmmm....Russia already tested 1,300,000?

[BillyB]

Hhhmmm....Russia already tested 1,300,000?

It's a rough estimate they rounded up from 300,000 Russia has a large population and only 148 dead. Putin is doing a great job.

[Trenchcoat]

Looking all over for the EU in Italy:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1268467/eu-news-Italy-eu-membership-euroscepticism-poll-italiexit-latest/amp

How are things shaping up for you there BC?

[BC]

Trench this is the third time you ar trying to bait. Don't be such an asshole.

We're doing fine.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench this is the third time you ar trying to bait. Don't be such an asshole.

We're doing fine.

I was merely enquiring after your good health and I find this is how you think of me

Just me being my considerate self is all