The Propaganda War

[Gator]

Is it necessarily for me to take part in your propaganda wars? 
Putin said just the opposite. So,  read all sources to keep some level of immunity from zombification:  http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/747252

Belvis makes a point; however, it can not be construed that Putin said the opposite.  Western news sources reporting the comments made by Putin at a youth camp, reference ITAR-TASS as cited by Belvis.    ITAR-TASS reports specifically:

“I want to remind you that Russia is one of the most powerful nuclear nations. This is a reality, not just words,” Putin said.   "We must always be ready to repel any aggression against Russia and our partners should always be aware that no matter in which condition their governments may be or which foreign policy concepts they may pursue, it is better not to come against Russia as regards a possible armed conflict,” Putin warned.

The issue centers on what Putin means by foreign policy, which could take many forms other than armed conflict.

ITAR-TASS also says:

Russia will not be drawn into large-scale conflicts but partners need to understand that it is better not to mess around with Russia, President Vladimir Putin said on Friday.

I guess that means the conflict in Ukraine  is not large-scale.   

[Anotherkiwi]

I guess that means the conflict in Ukraine  is not large-scale.

From Russia's point of view - certainly not YET.

[southernX]

interesting article on the numbers game of propoganda below

SX

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/battling-for-truth-363427.html

The war is here. The military warfare of David and Goliath – and also the enormous information war of the same scale waged against Ukraine. The first is very dramatic and tense, but with local impact and less visibility beyond eastern Ukraine. The second one is much more important because its influences can be felt everywhere in the world.

Russia understands the importance of the propaganda war and heavily invests with money and human talent into RT (Russia Today), The Voice of Russia, Ruptly and other sources of propaganda, fakes and falsifications – from Western pundits like Stephen F. Cohen to European members of parliament to possibly thousands of anonymous trolls busy on news websites explaining why the war against Ukraine is right and legitimate.

Ukraine does not have state propaganda and should not have, because truth will always win at the end of the day and you cannot battle one lie with another.

We are fighting back with a few grassroots initiatives like Euromaidan PR, the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center, military blogger Dmytro Tymchuk’s think tank and Ukraine Today, an English-language satellite TV channel.

But while RT reaches 600 million viewers and set a record of 1 billion views on YouTube. By comparison, Ukrainian projects like StopFake.org have had six million visitors during its six months of existence.

[lordtiberius]

2600 hundred dead in 6 months:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11078560/After-six-months-of-fighting-and-2600-deaths-an-uneasy-truce-settles-on-east-Ukraine.html

how many Russian?

[missAmeno]

Satellite images revealed by Amnesty International indicate a build-up of Russian armour and artillery in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-05


Now will come along few idiots and will tell everyone why Amnesty International should not be considered as reliable source of information.

[Muzh]

Satellite images revealed by Amnesty International indicate a build-up of Russian armour and artillery in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-05


Now will come along few idiots and will tell everyone why Amnesty International should not be considered as reliable source of information.

Only when it suits their purpose. 

[Muzh]

[sleepycat]

Law & order in Mother Russia LOL!

http://www.news.com.au/world/russian-teen-faces-castration-after-brutal-police-beating/story-e6frfkyi-1225915221763

[lordtiberius]

Good job men.  Exposing this kind of scum

[Anotherkiwi]

Law & order in Mother Russia LOL!

http://www.news.com.au/world/russian-teen-faces-castration-after-brutal-police-beating/story-e6frfkyi-1225915221763

Good job men.  Exposing this kind of scum

Did neither of you look at the date on this report?  It's four years old! 

[Muzh]

Well, some information regarding the MH 17 investigation is staring to get out. It seems the CIA used a cloaked bird of prey and shot a photon torpedo at the plane.

[Photo Guy]

Here's a new article about Russian propaganda. (I don't think it's been posted here yet)

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/

[Drew]

As I read somewhere, dissemination of disinformation was Putin's speciality in his East Germany assignment.

I think he learned the trade well, and it is working well for him and Russia.

Much like the idea that the 'pen is mightier than the sword.'

[lordtiberius]

Did neither of you look at the date on this report?  It's four years old! 

soo what are you saying?  if the article was 4 years old or 104 years old, it is ok to use cruel and unusual punishment on things that shouldn't be a crime?  Before you clue me, take a look at yourself

[Muzh]

[Muzh]

[lordtiberius]

American named "Hunter" from Illinois is fighting for Putin in the Vostok Battalion: … Ukraine, I am ashamed. Forgive us

[Boethius]

Giving lie to Vladimir Putin’s claims that Russia isn’t fighting in Ukraine, up to 80 Russian troops were killed in a skirmish there last month, according to information released by an opposition politician.

Members of an elite Russian paratroop force talked about the brutal battle near Luhansk, a city in eastern Ukraine, in telephone transcripts leaked to politician and newspaper publisher Lev Shlosberg.

“We’re f——g walking along looking for these f—–g Ukrainians,” one paratrooper says in an account reported by the Sunday Times of London.

“We get out into the open and are seen, kapow!” the paratrooper says.


“We dashed out onto the road, there was a field, sunflowers, and a checkpoint,” he continues. “They started to bomb it — bam bam bam — and they destroyed it.”
“Eighty guys were killed,” said the paratrooper, who was wounded in the attack. He added: “I was told only 10 made it out.”

He related the story to a fellow soldier in a phone call from a hospital where he was being treated.

‘WE’RE F——G WALKING ALONG LOOKING FOR THESE F—–G UKRAINIANS. WE GET OUT INTO THE OPEN AND ARE SEEN, KAPOW!’
 - Russian paratrooper

In the recorded conversation, a second paratrooper asks: “Did they warn you straight away where you were off to?”
“Gradually,” answers his friend. “I knew where I was going and told my wife straight away: ‘Am off to war’.”
“What did they tell you, why are you going there?” one paratrooper asks.

“They don’t tell us anything. They say we are off on an exercise…” comes the answer.

The dialogues were reported to have occurred between members of the elite 76th Guards Air Assault Division, which is based in the city of Pskov. Shlosberg owns a newspaper there.

Ukrainian officials reported a skirmish with the 76th Guards in mid-August. Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said on its website that its troops destroyed three of the unit’s tanks and seized two troop carriers. Russia denied the skirmish took place.

But despite the denials, last month President Vladimir Putin bestowed one of Russia’s highest awards, the Order of Suvorov, on the division.

He cited 76th Guards Air Assault Division’s “successful completion of military missions” and “courage and heroism” — odd words for a country that claims it is at peace.

Shlosberg’s newspaper reported in August on the funerals of two 76th Guards paratroopers, Leonid Kichatkin and Alexander Osipov.

Kichatkin’s widow, Oksana, announced her husband’s funeral on her social media page. When reporters began asking about her husband, the post was replaced with one claiming he “is alive and well.”

And when reporters called the Kichatkin home, the phone was answered by a man pretending to be Oksana’s dead husband.

The paratroopers in Shlosberg’s transcript served with Kichatkin, and confirmed that he died fighting in Ukraine. They also talked about why someone posed as Kichatkin on the telephone.

“If I found the guy who grabbed the phone away from [his] wife, I’d smash his face,” says one.

Thugs attacked reporters who visited the cemetery where Kichatkin and Osipov are buried. Thugs also attacked Shlosberg on Aug. 29 after his newspaper reported the mens’ deaths.

Across Russia there have been reports of secret funerals for soldiers killed in Ukraine, the Sunday Times says.

At least 400 Russian servicemen have been killed or wounded in the fighting, according to estimates by the Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers, an independent group set up in 1989 to protect the rights of conscripts involved in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Shlosberg’s political party, Yabloko, issued a statement saying the attack on him “is the direct consequence of the state propaganda mobbing people with a different point of view and labelling them enemies and ‘the fifth column.’”

http://nypost.com/2014/09/21/leaked-transcripts-reveal-putins-secret-attack-in-ukraine/

[lordtiberius]

Big Business Bends Over for MadVlad

[Muzh]

Herr Putler is consolidating the zombies.


Russia Steps Up New Law to Control Foreign Internet Companies

Russian authorities have presented the personal-data law as a necessary security measure to protect against foreign threats and U.S. spying. But rights advocates say the Kremlin is pursuing the measure as part of a broader drive to curtail freedom of information and intensify scrutiny of Internet activity.
 
The accelerated effort comes amid Moscow's increasing distrust of the Internet and a hardening of anti-Western policies. Authorities are separately proceeding with legislation to limit foreign firms to 20% ownership of Russian media outlets, a move that risks curbing press freedoms in a country already dominated by state-controlled media.

And this coming from the epicenter of world-wide hacking.
Heh, another Russian "industry" that Putler has deep-sixed.

[AC]

Perhaps the zombies are actually dwindling in numbers:


http://imrussia.org/en/analysis/politics/808-the-kremlin’s-dull-victory

[lordtiberius]

Holder Resigned.

For one day I am a Putinista.

[fathertime]

Holder Resigned.

For one day I am a Putinista.

I don't get what one has to do with the other. 


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

Russian media propaganda -

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29368707

[lordtiberius]

I don't get what one has to do with the other. 


Fathertime!

That is ok