Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance

[GQBlues]

I can't speak for GOB or Ade, nor would I want to. But I, too, doubted his marriage to his wife before for the simple reason just prior to his 'marriage', he was deep into researching legalities of J1 Visas, etc..

IIRC, and BillyB can correct me where I'm wrong, there were two other young women he was either working with, or talking to about the matter here on this board. It should still be on this board somewhere (maybe RWG). Then all of the sudden, they're gone and out comes his gal. So yes, that's pure speculation on my part.

To fuel that speculation, his wedding pictures and post-wedding pictures, with his wife showed the obvious absence of a wedding ring. BillyB knows what I'm talking about here. That certainly didn't help his cause.

[ML]

I have seen Billy and his wife's marriage license in the public records.
No doubt in my mind.

[GQBlues]

I have seen Billy and his wife's marriage license in the public records.
No doubt in my mind.

There you go. That should put that baby to sleep.

[krimster2]

I was NOT someone who was on the forefront of this controversy
nevertheless, from what I gather, the triggering stimuli
did NOT involve the presence or absence of a marriage license
but something else altogether

[krimster2]

I dunno why EVERYBODY was so upset about billyb and his wife
unless I am missing something
I decided to go back and look at photos of billyb and his wife on this site
since I myself have only heard about this "second hand"
I didn't see anything inappropriate
we're talking about Natalia with blond hair from Tashkent?
they were married in 2006?

what's the big deal?

what am I not seeing?

[Boethius]

I was NOT someone who was on the forefront of this controversynevertheless, from what I gather, the triggering stimulidid NOT involve the presence or absence of a marriage licensebut something else altogether

Yes. It was that he communicated with an underaged teen. That’s by his admission, no one else’s.

[krimster2]

sorry BO, but is the underage teen his wife, Natalia from Tashkent, she looked OVER 18 to me, I didn't see/hear anything about an underage teen, but he has 1000s of posts
so I don't want to read them all, it would be incredibly tedious
however, if it's someone's assumption or interpretation about this
without any factual basis (and a confession would be a factual basis, as long as not some kind of joke)
then I think everyone owes him a BIG apology
I mean that accusation is a serious one, I won't participate in the accusation, if it's just hearsay


how 'bout it Billy, DID you do that?
yes or no...
and don't lie that will just make it worse

[BillyB]

billy, over here billy!!
was there "something" that triggered this response from these people
some kind of stimuli, picture, or something?

Serious question so please help me understand. When somebody lies about another, troll for years, vandalize, roll police cars over, break windows and loot, why do liberals blame their bad behavior on others instead of the violators?

we're talking about Natalia with blond hair from Tashkent?
they were married in 2006?

Natalia was my ex fiancée. She failed the medical test over minor reason so I had to apply for a waiver to get the K-1 approved. After it was approved, she couldn't make the move right away since she had a strong bond with her family. I waited for some time but then started dating again. When she was ready to make the move to America, I was already gone too far in the other direction as my boat had sailed and didn't want to get married to her anymore. She was a good looking high quality woman with a big heart but I found another.

I dunno why EVERYBODY was so upset about billyb and his wife
unless I am missing something

Everybody wasn't upset. A few people made the most noise but most people here weren't upset. I wasn't upset. My wife wasn't upset. My MIL wasn't upset. My family wasn't upset. The American government wasn't upset. If they thought a crime happened, does anyone believe they'd let my wife come here and marry me?

ML and GQ were there years ago and you can see based on how they post, they weren't traumatized by what they read. FSU women were fine with what I wrote and how I lived my life. Only a handful of people from Western culture were very upset. How is it my doing? Below is the most read FSU relationship themed thread anywhere on the internet. Most people were thrilled to read it. Some wanted to hang me. Will you love me or hate me?

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0

I can't speak for GOB or Ade, nor would I want to. But I, too, doubted his marriage to his wife before for the simple reason just prior to his 'marriage', he was deep into researching legalities of J1 Visas, etc..

Big difference between simply doubting somebody and going on a crusade against them for years selling everybody your brand of truth on the person you doubt.

IIRC, and BillyB can correct me where I'm wrong, there were two other young women he was either working with, or talking to about the matter here on this board. It should still be on this board somewhere (maybe RWG). Then all of the sudden, they're gone and out comes his gal. So yes, that's pure speculation on my part.

We talked about the work/travel visas pertaining to those girls. While dating FSU women at home, I communicated with many abroad keeping my options open. Two college girls from Russia that were friends decided to stay with me while on their work/travel visas. I was communicating with my wife at the same time those girls were scheduled to live with me. If things worked out between me and one or both of them, I wouldn't have made a decision to visit my wife. She was living in Libya at the time and invited me to meet her in Ukraine soon while she's on vacation. The two college girls stopped in NY to visit friends before coming to Seattle. Their friends convinced them to stay and work in NY. They cancelled and I made the easy decision to fly to Ukraine.

To fuel that speculation, his wedding pictures and post-wedding pictures, with his wife showed the obvious absence of a wedding ring. BillyB knows what I'm talking about here. That certainly didn't help his cause.

I've never worn a ring in my two marriages and my wife rarely wears hers. I've always had photos of her with a ring but never posted them for the same reason I never posted a marriage certificate. The haters will just accuse me of photoshopping. Now that the drama is over, I posted some photos with my wife wearing a ring in a thread in the marriage forum.

I have seen Billy and his wife's marriage license in the public records.
No doubt in my mind.

Easy to get info that's available to the public but I suspect some people enjoyed what they were doing instead of looking for truth.

Ade was just trolling Billy.

Is that what he told you? .I read the part in the TOS that said trolling is a violation except when it comes to doing it to BillyB. No wonder it lasted for years. I deserved it and had it coming to me.

There were so many lies and rumors going around it was a waste of my time addressing them all so I didn't. Here's another lie below.

I used the age you posted here as the age when you contacted your wife.  So if it is inaccurate, that's all based on you.

You don't remember apologizing to me in 2015 for mentioning the wrong age FIVE years after I first posted my and my wife's age when we met and first made contact? Selective memory at work because you believe you never lie. Funny thing is when you and others mention my and my wife's age in a post, you always err on the high side for me and low side for her. The intentional shock value by implying a huge age gap increases the chances other readers who haven't read my thread hating on me.

Not too long ago DragonKid told me some of you guys told him in PMs how bad I was. Kid can't keep a secret. He insinuated he was going to find me on the internet elsewhere and get involved in my life in a bad way. Treadmill dude wanted to fight me and hurt me bad. He told me people told him in PMs how bad I was. Out of the blue I get an outburst from fairly new posters scolding me about being a child molester. I wonder where they get that from? Gotta love the drama and entertainment the internet provides.

Yes. It was that he contacted an underaged teen. That’s by his admission, no one else’s.

You are entitled to your opinion again but getting upset over what I do is not healthy.

I laid out a long time ago before I contacted my wife my methods and how I contact thousands of women. I don't have time to read profiles. If a woman looks beautiful, I write her without knowing her age, what she's looking for or what she writes about herself. Half the FSU women I dated in America were older than I but some people think I target young women since they have reading comprehension problems. I target beautiful women. I don't discriminate against age. 17 years old is considered by many in the FSU as an adult. FSU women here have claimed their parents considered them an adult when they were 17. I ended up contacting at least five 17 yo adults on the dating site that allowed them to be there. I know I contacted at least five 17 yo because I read the profiles of every woman that responds to my intro messages or letter. You're wrong to think I admitted to contacting underaged teens.

[Boethius]

Link my apology.

Nothing changes the fact you, a near 40 year old man, contacted an underage teen less than half your age, one who didn’t have the right to consume hard liquor, or to vote, in her own country.

When you have to add half years to the age of a potential paramour to justify contacting her, she is too young to contact. The fact you, on the cusp of age 40, contacted many 17 year olds says a lot about you.

[krimster2]

I HAVE a 17 yr old blond girl to Billy, she’s my daughter
I could not imagine ANY 40+ yr old wanting to be in an adult relationship with her
for the simple reason that SHE IS NOT AN ADULT!!!!!  WHY ON EARTH DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS!!!!!!!

I have had to adjust upward my "anger level threshold" in response to guys “like you” Billy
the thought never occurred to me that there’d be 40+ yr old guys “hitting on my teens”
until I saw this happen myself

the first time I witnessed this, I flew into a rage and almost became a murderer Billy, I came “that close” to killing the man

in order NOT to do this, I’ve learned to raise my threshold of feeling anger over this, it feels like I’ve raised it 100 times

YOU billy and only YOU, bring this upon yourself, which one of us is autistic billy you who apparently doesn’t understand what triggers people, or me, who does...

while I’ve undergone the process of raising the threshold, I wouldn't expect very many other people to have done the same, so they will react to you, like I did to others like you

everything about your behavior is INCREDIBLY transparent to me, for example why you choose blondes, and how you use them to validate yourself

you are NOT a very nice man billyb

as I told you before, I KNOW
and I know YOU know I know, and so do a lot of others

I will totally miss any future cemetery stories, it WAS a great story, but I have to put up with a great deal of aggravation from you to get to that little gem

conclusion: it’s JUST NOT worth it
I just put you on ignore, and would advise others who feel the same as this to do the same
don't give him the attention he craves

bye Felicia

[ML]

ML and GQ were there years ago and you can see based on how they post, they weren't traumatized by what they read.

Actually I was/am traumatized by many things I read here and elsewhere.

Each evening Ochka has to hold me in her arms and rock me back a forth while singing Ukrainian Lullabies to help me try to erase what I have read.

[GQBlues]

Well BillyB, I'm sure I don't need to tell you posting certain things on forums like this won't absolve you from scrutiny. Especially the kind of subject/s you engaged everyone here with.

We will all have detractors regardless. That's human nature. Ricardo (don't remember the moniker) comes to mind with his aggrandizing romp of his pornographic escapades. Service provider Eduard did, too when he first posted the youtube link of one of his client to showcase his services. (OK, that one was pretty funny). KenC and his (ex) wife saga is another.

Hell, I took on the entire board before when I posted my definition of a *MOBer* as a result of Daveman splitting a thread just to direct that question to me. You think two or three members talking ill behind your back is bad? Try an entire board with a well-received/respected member at the helm.

I am not without raunchy experience/s from board members, man. Trust me. Good intentions won't get you anywhere here much less buy you a cup of coffee. I can tell you stories of some of the raunchiest things I encountered here, and on RWG, with board members that'll make you think are just absolutely insane. One that comes to mind that happened was what one member did during the onset of my relations with my current wife when she was still in Russia. To think, all I/we was/were trying to do was help the guy out ease into his relationship with his lady. Harassments, Invasion of privacy, threats, etc...doesn't even make the top-5 raunchiest. That's how bad it can get. Largely the reason why I shutdown my PM.

I can't control what other people do. I can however control what *I* can do. If I don't like how people may react to certain things I may say or do, I simply refrain from giving them the opportunity to do so. For the many, they're simply out there waiting in the wings for you to do something.

[Hammer2722]

Actually I was/am traumatized by many things I read here and elsewhere.

Each evening Ochka has to hold me in her arms and rock me back a forth while singing Ukrainian Lullabies to help me try to erase what I have read.

And yet, you keep returning for more......

[BillyB]

Nothing changes the fact you, a near 40 year old man, contacted an underage teen less than half your age, one who didn’t have the right to consume hard liquor, or to vote, in her own country.

When you have to add half years to the age of a potential paramour to justify contacting her, she is too young to contact. The fact you, on the cusp of age 40, contacted many 17 year olds says a lot about you.

I sense a lot of anger. Why? Women get to choose who they want to be with. Be happy they have that freedom. If a guy is appealing to women, maybe he's a good guy and you got it all wrong? You were a teenager when you got married to your husband. Based on how you think, you had the mind of a child. My wife was an adult when she agreed to marry me.

You have a habit of using the number 40 when talking about my relationship. Krimster got the number 40+ in his head just like others did. When you state in public and in PMs to people I admitted to contacting underage girls and I'm in my 40s, they assume worst case scenario. I'm not surprised those with young and simple minds hit me with emotional outbursts out of the blue. You know what you're doing and you're probably smiling when your propaganda campaign works. Upthread you said I was 48 and my wife is 26. You know simple math yet you lied to people telling them I was made first contact with my wife in my 40s when the exact number of my age has been posted here from the beginning.

I should've taken Dan's offer to be a moderator. I would've ran this place better. You helped promote the chaos back then.

Link my apology.

Your post was short but you modified it over an hour later. Has anybody seen the before and after post Boethius made? Before I made my last post, I verified your apology to me in 2015 was still on this forum. I did a search now and it's gone. For years you have a habit of moving my posts to the junk pile or deleting my posts you don't like. A few months ago I asked another moderator where my thread was. He told me it was found in the junk pile. The most popular FSU relationship themed thread on the internet was found in the junk pile! It brought this forum a lot of traffic and new members. It's the very thread that got you hating me. Now you delete your own post in order to get me to look like a liar. You're lying to yourself. You're deceiving this whole forum. You're not deceiving me.

I can't control what other people do. I can however control what *I* can do. If I don't like how people may react to certain things I may say or do, I simply refrain from giving them the opportunity to do so. For the many, they're simply out there waiting in the wings for you to do something.

In my thread I told people what I'm going to write is going to upset some yet I continued to write. I knew FSU people can handle my dating experiences and some Western folks would not. Many Western folks have different rules to dating and feel anybody who doesn't play by their rules is immoral. But if someone can pick up on good advice, I'm willing to put up with the static noise.

If I ever become a single man again, I can write another thread in real time before I know where I'd finish like the last one. And when I finish, I'd have some people upset with my dating experiences but the woman I will have chosen in the end would blow people's minds. Some men wonder if they'll have any success with women. For me it's like putting one foot in front of the other and it's a given I'll move forward. If any man here feels they don't have a 100% chance in finding a good woman, he needs to evaluate what is wrong and fix it. He needs to get to a place where he's more appealing to women.

[Boethius]

Yes I move posts when they are off topic. I haven’t deleted or edited one of your posts, other than bad language, in over five years. So stop being such a drama queen.

PS I neither deleted nor edited a post from 2015. If you don’t believe me ask admin to check the moderation log.

[JayH]

Silly Billy whining about being trolled -- from a guy that does exactly that himself !!!

Take out his trolling posts , the idiotic posts and 90% would be gone !

What a poor little cry baby you are sillyB 1   !!

[msmob]

I sense a lot of anger.

I suggest the emotion is one of revulsion / distaste ...  certainly not anger ...

You don't seem to read folks that well...

[krimster2]

he did another cemetery story didn't he, and it's even better than the last one, isn't it...

[BillyB]

I suggest the emotion is one of revulsion / distaste ...  certainly not anger ...

You don't seem to read folks that well...

Anger can influence behavior for years. It's always nice to hear an opinion from someone who harasses women that dump him. Who would know more about anger than a person who practices it a lot?

[Boethius]

I suggest the emotion is one of revulsion / distaste ...  certainly not anger ...

You don't seem to read folks that well...

You are correct.

I will confirm I am not angry, and never have been.  If any poster angered me, I would just stop reading his or her posts, or stop reading the forum.  After all, I am here voluntarily.

[msmob]

Anger can influence behavior for years. It's always nice to hear an opinion from someone who harasses women that dump him. Who would know more about anger than a person who practices it a lot?

Silly BillyB

The emotion you're trying to 'diagnose' wasn't anger ....'Twas an unwise -  truthful - riposte to a fib ...

But you know this and simply repeat bollox - rather than dealing with your own inadequacies ...  I have admitted to my stupidity every time you raise it.. 

You might learn something .....  nah ...  you won't ..  a combination of stubborn and daftness

[BillyB]

I have admitted to my stupidity every time you raise it.. 

Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. Remember it next time before you do anything. Thank me later.

[Boethius]

No sense of irony impairment.

[msmob]

No sense of irony impairment.

   ..he's too thick to understand your winning blow

[krimster2]

ok, the new one IS pretty good, and shorter...