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RWD Discussion Groups => Married => Topic started by: Omega82 on July 08, 2019, 08:50:38 PM

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Omega82 on July 08, 2019, 08:50:38 PM
I was just curious if anyone here or anyone you may know has imported a woman with two or more children that are not yours? 

I was having a debate with a buddy of mine and was curious about this. 

And if anyone has done this, has the woman started working immediately to support the household or has the man paid for everything? 

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 08, 2019, 09:10:03 PM
in general in the USA, a woman in a situation like that would probably barely earn enough to pay for child care for 2 children while she worked
so it wouldn't even be financially worth it for her to work
European countries all have state sponsored child care, so a different story

it is overwhelmingly likely that the dewd will be the solitary form of support
and if you try to balance an equation with negatives on one side of the equation
you can only balance with negatives on the other side

so when you "do the math"
it means a 60 year old dewd can easily have a mid 20ish single mom for a spouse
providing he can support her and her children and give them an upper middle class or better life style

I've seen it myself many times
these relationships can work and be successful
also based on my own observations of examples I've seen


Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Omega82 on July 08, 2019, 09:54:48 PM
I was referring to a woman with lets say a 15 year old child and lets say a 12 year old.  Both would be attending middle school. 

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: msmob on July 08, 2019, 10:14:18 PM
Hmmm

So the OP thinks two kids from a past relationship are 'baggage'?

Definition of 'baggage' as I see it ...

past experiences or long-held attitudes perceived as burdensome encumbrances.
"the emotional baggage I'm hauling around"



In my experience, I 'imported' (puke) a RW with one teenage son....  She went to college to improve her English, then worked as an unpaid  volunteer, before becoming a worker ..Not a swift transformation ...if her English is not good.

Tell your friend that he should not 'import' the woman and her kids ....if he is not prepared to support his new, ready made family, until such time the new wife can contribute..

Does the number of kids contribute to 'baggage' ?



Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: southernX on July 08, 2019, 10:30:32 PM
Quote
was just curious if anyone here or anyone you may know has imported a woman with two or more children that are not yours? 

yes , my wife brought her son with her when she moved to me in australia

what are your debate points or queries omega ?

SX
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: BillyB on July 08, 2019, 10:44:22 PM
has the woman started working immediately to support the household or has the man paid for everything?

Any man who wants to marry a foreign woman shouldn't expect her to work immediately even if she speaks the native language fluently. Some women may go into culture shock and may need more time to adjust to her new home. You and she may not know how she'll adapt until she's living in your country. Go into this expecting a woman not to work. If she goes to work, then consider it a bonus.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Omega82 on July 08, 2019, 11:04:34 PM
yes , my wife brought her son with her when she moved to me in australia

what are your debate points or queries omega ?

SX

the question was TWO or more children.  one is rather common. 
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: msmob on July 09, 2019, 01:43:42 AM
 That may have been your question...we are probably all scratching our heads as to the extra child being some sort of ...what....'dealbreaker'?
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Patagonie on July 09, 2019, 01:53:47 AM
I was just curious if anyone here or anyone you may know has imported a woman with two or more children that are not yours? 

I was having a debate with a buddy of mine and was curious about this. 

And if anyone has done this, has the woman started working immediately to support the household or has the man paid for everything?
It's unlikely that a woman, even if she has a great level in language, will work the first year.
If she don't know the language you can consider that two or three years are a minimum.
You will find also a lot of women who don't want to work considering that you own the money and so they don't need to work.
Unfortunately they setup the treshold while they know shit about economical life in their new country (that's a big problem), and that's part of the slavic culture. You will have to face that.
As Krim said the best is to provide for the whole family. It means between 5 and 10 grands, 10 better, or more, but this sum depends of many parameters.You will have to educate her to avoid the bankrupcy, and not let her control the accounts, because they have no skill in planification at all, they live on a daily basis, wich is largely not compatible with our western economy when it's time to pay taxes, big bills and so on.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Patagonie on July 09, 2019, 01:57:56 AM
As always you have to screen women during dating time with your own criterias.
The dating time is generally badly performed by men as a lot got the candy store syndrom and chase an ass or a pair of breasts.
So if her children is quite old, be ready to pay big bills for the college is necessary.
If you have three to manage, it's time to know if your real estate can welcome such challenge and so on.
It's easier to screen womens according to your criterias before the dating rather than after
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: ML on July 09, 2019, 05:04:33 AM
As always you have to screen women during dating time with your own criterias.
The dating time is generally badly performed by men as a lot got the candy store syndrom and chase an ass or a pair of breasts.
So if her children is quite old, be ready to pay big bills for the college is necessary.
If you have three to manage, it's time to know if your real estate can welcome such challenge and so on.
It's easier to screen womens according to your criterias before the dating rather than after

Very good advice Pat.

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: nano on July 09, 2019, 05:18:38 AM
agree fully with Patagonie
To import someone is not the same as find local woman. While communicate I met a lot of man who ask when I would work and when I told them I am not considering work they disapointed. I asked my friend from Germany, as she is native citizen, does it common for women to work after move to her husband she say no even do not listern such men who try to speak about your work. This men not resonable atall and they cant support family in their country.  She say at least two years even if you would very wish to work you would stay out from work so you husband should have ability to pay all your expences.
Women with children more easy going and ready for sex and this attractive for men but if you decide to merriage your should pay all expences for all people. Its not cheap pleasure to bring a women.
I think men much spoiled by WW as her ability to work and gain carrier goals and sufficient income supported the social and economy system she raise in and usially supported with her parents so for family budject and for man it become quite easy to lead. As a lot of duties to be performed by a man shifted onto the shoulders of women, parents and the ability of the social system in which she grew up and developed. As a result it lead to luck of connection in family and so on. But man is glad forawhile. :D
And they try to ask the same from FSU women and I do not know what about such men think - maybe how to have good sex every day and do nothing for it. :(
Becouse WW become too demanded but FSU not -  :D but it is impossible, becouse every women require care, attention and so on and so on :) :popcorn:

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Patagonie on July 09, 2019, 06:24:28 AM
agree fully with Patagonie
To import someone is not the same as find local woman. While communicate I met a lot of man who ask when I would work and when I told them I am not considering work they disapointed. I asked my friend from Germany, as she is native citizen, does it common for women to work after move to her husband she say no even do not listern such men who try to speak about your work. This men not resonable atall and they cant support family in their country.  She say at least two years even if you would very wish to work you would stay out from work so you husband should have ability to pay all your expences.
Women with children more easy going and ready for sex and this attractive for men but if you decide to merriage your should pay all expences for all people. Its not cheap pleasure to bring a women.
I think men much spoiled by WW as her ability to work and gain carrier goals and sufficient income supported the social and economy system she raise in and usially supported with her parents so for family budject and for man it become quite easy to lead. As a lot of duties to be performed by a man shifted onto the shoulders of women, parents and the ability of the social system in which she grew up and developed. As a result it lead to luck of connection in family and so on. But man is glad forawhile. :D
And they try to ask the same from FSU women and I do not know what about such men think - maybe how to have good sex every day and do nothing for it. :(
Becouse WW become too demanded but FSU not -  :D but it is impossible, becouse every women require care, attention and so on and so on :) :popcorn:
I just want to open eyes of eastern european women. You couldn't raise, as you have left your countries to the west, your children with the same mindset you could have for your own life.
I mean that you have to make it half way at least.Your children will have to live in US or Europe and get plenty of autonomy in an open job market, where the opportunities are among the best probablu. Those children shall be educated accordingly to their new countries to adapt and maximize their chances. Whoever it's a son or a daughter.
You shouldn't confuse that you need a man to support you very likely the first years, but you have to get more independance and to step in the new world that welcome you.
A part of this is known to be called integration, each time a FSU woman is keeping her feet in her new country 100% FSU thinking, habits, behavior she is missing her integration, wich is often leading to a divorce in less than a decade.
It doesn't mean that she has to get off her old clothes, NO NO NO, but as i said you need to find a middle way.

Just an example of why a FSU woman should work in the future. Nobody has said that her spouse will not die. As a matter of fact, few, very few men would drop you a fortune to guarantee money during the next 30 or 40 or 50 years (he needs to be very rich, and this fortune will be swallowed by taxes, previous children and so on). So a responsable man should slighty push her spouse to have a minimum independance.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Gator on July 09, 2019, 06:35:12 AM
I was just curious if anyone here or anyone you may know has imported a woman with two or more children that are not yours? 

Yes, twice. 


Quote
And if anyone has done this, has the woman started working immediately to support the household or has the man paid for everything?


Happily paid for everything. IMPORTANT:  A man should not attempt this endeavor if he can not provide a comfortable life for
his new family.
 

RW want to work.  Yet for the first few years, they will find it it difficult to find a high-paying job. 

Exceptions exist.  Here's a good story.  Over 8 years ago I became the step-father of a beautiful young RW still in college.  Three years later, my now 30-yo step-daughter married a young American man.  They started a business and jointly managed its growth, he being the entrepreneur and she being Mr. Inside.  The business is successful by all financial measures.    They purchased a large new home with pool, etc.  And each drive a Porsche costing well over $100,000.   The business was his baby, yet I assert they would not have been as successful without her management skills (money, employees, etc.).  Part of their success is his willingness to entrust financial matters to her. 

Given time, say five years, I have seen other cases where it seems the RW carries more than her weight.  Yet, they went through a period of re-education and language proficiency to obtain the necessary license for working (nurse, attorney, real estate agent).   
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: tfcrew on July 09, 2019, 10:20:07 AM
"Importing".... Like they're some sort of product?
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 10:56:54 AM
the question was TWO or more children.  one is rather common.

I don't have any statistics but anecdotally everyone that I can think
of had one child or zero (from the woman's side of the equation).
I can't think of any who had more.

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: nano on July 09, 2019, 02:16:19 PM
Just an example of why a FSU woman should work in the future. Nobody has said that her spouse will not die. As a matter of fact, few, very few men would drop you a fortune to guarantee money during the next 30 or 40 or 50 years (he needs to be very rich, and this fortune will be swallowed by taxes, previous children and so on). So a responsable man should slighty push her spouse to have a minimum independance.
I agree with independance its very good but I hurdly imaging woman who make her first step to foreign country, with have to care for two children at morning, then give them to kindergaden (payed by her, as I presumed), go find faster job and go to work every day, after working cooking for children (and for husband bring the food from store), cleaning house and at night have to satisfy with hot sex hot man who earn money not so much to stay the woman out of work... It can be becouse the FSU women all are hero and have to do this years and years and its very hurd to find a man for women with two kids... but definatedly this is not the circumstance that search FSU women from WM and man atall. And moreover if he going to kopita otbrosit (hooves will drop) its mean die suddenly... Responsable man should think about it and negotiate this question with his spouse, attorney and insurance company. :)
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 09, 2019, 03:41:30 PM
mark twain skazhee:

Я не хотел бы быть членом какого-либо клуба, который принял бы меня в качестве члена

he wouldn’t want to be a member of any club that would EVER accept him as a member,
this is a similar dilemma that Russian women 45+ will have with Western Men...

women date up in age
guys date down in age
for any given demographic there is generally less availability the higher the age...

and the smaller the supply of something...
the greater its value...

as a result of demographics
most men in the 45-55 age range will be looking at women in one of several categories:

single moms in their 20s who are still young and beautiful, some even a trophy wife
childless women 35-40 who don’t want children
women late 20s early 30s who want children

according to current exchange rates in the “market"
a Russina in her late 40s would be interchangeable to a low income American guy in his 60s...

so if you hook up with a low income 60+ yr old American dewd, you bet your sweet jhoppa you will be working a minimum wage job to "buy your own damned snacks"!!!!

next question?

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Patagonie on July 10, 2019, 01:23:37 AM
I agree with independance its very good but I hurdly imaging woman who make her first step to foreign country, with have to care for two children at morning, then give them to kindergaden (payed by her, as I presumed), go find faster job and go to work every day, after working cooking for children (and for husband bring the food from store), cleaning house and at night have to satisfy with hot sex hot man who earn money not so much to stay the woman out of work... It can be becouse the FSU women all are hero and have to do this years and years and its very hurd to find a man for women with two kids... but definatedly this is not the circumstance that search FSU women from WM and man atall. And moreover if he going to kopita otbrosit (hooves will drop) its mean die suddenly... Responsable man should think about it and negotiate this question with his spouse, attorney and insurance company. :)
Nano, if you have such fear about western men, i think that better to avoid such big adventure.
If an FSU woman, married, is living in the west the kindergaden will be paid by your husband, even if that's your children coming from a previous marriage. Depending of the country kindergarden could be paid partially or totally by gouvernemental help.
And NO; men are not responsable for all and NO they don't have the burden to provide, schedule for everything for the next 50 years. That's not gonna to work. A man can take some insurance and part of his inheritage to help the widow, but she will have to help herself in many case. There is no such dream when women are widowed and they systematically become well off, except if you are married to Bill Gates.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Patagonie on July 10, 2019, 01:42:02 AM
mark twain skazhee:

Я не хотел бы быть членом какого-либо клуба, который принял бы меня в качестве члена

he wouldn’t want to be a member of any club that would EVER accept him as a member,
this is a similar dilemma that Russian women 45+ will have with Western Men...

women date up in age
guys date down in age
for any given demographic there is generally less availability the higher the age...

and the smaller the supply of something...
the greater its value...

as a result of demographics
most men in the 45-55 age range will be looking at women in one of several categories:

single moms in their 20s who are still young and beautiful, some even a trophy wife
childless women 35-40 who don’t want children
women late 20s early 30s who want children
according to current exchange rates in the “market"
a Russina in her late 40s would be interchangeable to a low income American guy in his 60s...

so if you hook up with a low income 60+ yr old American dewd, you bet your sweet jhoppa you will be working a minimum wage job to "buy your own damned snacks"!!!!

next question?
That's barely how the market works in Ukraine, i do agree.
 My ex MIL who had good knowledge in italian, nice woman of late 50 is still alone in Ukraine.
An other one i know mid fourties, couldn't have baby and her beauty has vanished now, but she is likely well off. She is searching and her chances are quite low IMHOA mid fourties but a 8 minimum with a child is marrying to a canadian. She didn't miss her chance and she worked on him hard to get married. Her chance : she is a 8 minimum.
I have a ukrainian female friend who marry easily to a french guy with a son of 15 when she was close of 35. But she is still a 8.5 (i met her and her husband one week ago).A women of 50 i know married to a french guy of her age (quite ugly, with serious medical problem, but good paycheck). She is a 6 and finally she bring her daughter later and after a cousin. To make it short he didn't have many choices and she didn't have many choices so they matched each other.


Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: SteveInBoston on July 10, 2019, 06:31:28 AM
Nano, if you have such fear about western men, i think that better to avoid such big adventure.
If an FSU woman, married, is living in the west the kindergaden will be paid by your husband, even if that's your children coming from a previous marriage. Depending of the country kindergarden could be paid partially or totally by gouvernemental help.
And NO; men are not responsable for all and NO they don't have the burden to provide, schedule for everything for the next 50 years. That's not gonna to work. A man can take some insurance and part of his inheritage to help the widow, but she will have to help herself in many case. There is no such dream when women are widowed and they systematically become well off, except if you are married to Bill Gates.

Pat,

I think Nano was addressing the OP, who asked if a FSU woman with "the baggage" of 2 children would go to work immediately to support the household.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Gator on July 10, 2019, 10:19:44 AM


according to current exchange rates in the “market"
a Russina in her late 40s would be interchangeable to a low income American guy in his 60s...
....you bet your sweet jhoppa you will be working a minimum wage job to "buy your own damned snacks"!!!!


Exactly our ages when married.   

I will not rub your nose in the multitude of ways your blanket theory is wrong.   
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 11:42:58 AM
you fit the blanket theory demographically...
however, all theories are really over simplifications
even my blanket theory
I am sure YOU pay for your wife's snacks!!!
because YOU are a gentleman
but NOT everyone else is....

a woman at age 50, is twenty years past her peak
however, a man at age 50 is only10 years past his peak and NOT 20
he has greater value in the market
hence he can marry younger or more attractive women than himself
multiply that if he is wealthy

don't get mad at me
i'm just reporting the facts
it's terribly unfair and sexist, and sad of course
we should be judging women by the maturity of their character
instead of the plumpness of their breasts
but, alas...

a guy who is 60 yr old with a good solid income/savings, AND who has his "act together"
can EASILY meet a woman in her mid 20s and go have kids with her
I know this for a fact
and not because I watched Russia House with Sean Connery and Michelle Pfeiffer either...

more pics for you BO!
you still think she doesn't look Ukrainian?
seriously?
what doesn't look Ukrainian about her?

I'm an American born Odessa ban-dit BO!
and this here's my gun totin Russian moll!

s'matree!
listen up everyone,
I'm gonna pass the bag
and I want ya'll to drop your wallets and jewelry inside
do it quickly and I won't have to ask my ruthless Russian associate here
to demonstrate the effect of buckshot on your ass

and as is typical of a Ukrainian wife...
my wife likes to swim nude in the outdoor pool...
and frankly, I don’t see anything wrong with that
despite what y’all say...
she even does it in the winter!!
but it's not really that cold here


Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Gator on July 10, 2019, 11:57:46 AM

a woman at age 50, is twenty years past her peak
a man at age 50 is 10 years past his peak


Maybe you should first try this theory out on your wife before trying to convince others. 
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 12:26:26 PM
my wife spends half of her time and money on her appearance
the right plastic surgeon takes 20 years off a woman's appearance with a face lift, believe it! I've seen it myself...
and not just Nicole Kidman or Michelle Pfeiffer
but not many Russian women can spend $20,000 or more on these procedures
or have access to Houston's top plastic surgeons and can spend $1,000 per month on cosmetics treatments
my wife started her own beauty salon and cosmetics company pretty much for her own personal use!!!
so apples and oranges here....

this pic is a recent photo of my wife about 8 months after her facelift and other procedures done on her face
she's in her late 40s...
my wife has a skin care line named after her...
not your average Russian bear...
especially at six foot one!!
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 01:38:19 PM
This is an interesting discussion. I tend to find FSW often have very staunch and fixated ideas on whether they work or not. Some I have messaged bat back the idea that they will not work, they want to continue with a career. Many don't want to work and they too often refuse to budge. I've found it fairly rare to meet a FSW who will budge on their stance or go part way. It's like they have already made up their mind regardless of partner they meet. So many profiles I see the woman harps on about a guy being able to support the woman and be a strong man - lucky them, lol.

Thing is I don't think FSW fully get how the western world is structured now. The low to average wage in the west is at a level where both need to be working, more so if children are  involved. People of course can get by without but unless the guy is on a high wage provision is likely to end up meagre. If a guy owns his own property that can reduce the expenses as can state funded health care, education, pensions, etc as in Europe but not so much in the US.

Thing is if a FSW wants to sit at home adding to the expenses she will be clocking them up all the time, food eating, drinks, electricity, water, gas, entertainment, buying products, etc. Those will be happening all the time without her covering them. These are just the basic day to day expenses. I personally don't think FSW realise what they are demanding when they think they are going to be kept. They don't really realise what life is like in the west now or our lifestyles.

It kind of all makes the process harder as FSW tend to be obstinate and not willing to discuss where they can fit in. Many won't even want to work towards a part time job. There are of course advantages to having a woman at home. I personally think that if the guy had a decent independent income of £1k a month or more it would be a better fit to live in the FSU country the woman is from. Just think of how much further the money would go over there!

So while we get all beat up with whether we understand the FSU, I think they struggle more to understand us. Hollywood and stuff online is their guide rather than much in the way of experience abroad.

Two children or more I've always considered that unless I was a real wealthy guy I would be spending all my time money and effort bringing up some other guys kids, lol, no thanks!
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 01:44:17 PM
"if the guy had a decent independent income of £1k a month or more it would be a better fit to live in the FSU country the woman is from. Just think of how much further the money would go over there!"

go and try it then!!!!!
if your monthly income is  £1k a month suicide is probably your best option

if I were you, before I did ANYTHING else
I'd figure out how to make more money!!!!!
and then, go and do it!!!
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
"Importing".... Like they're some sort of product?

I sometimes wonder if marriages of convenience may be the best way for the FSU dating scene to operate. Each side states what they want and it's worked out how & when each side will deliver. Both sides get what they want apart from the chemistry/love. Even still both sides could benefit more than staying/being stuck as singles.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 03:19:26 PM
if you don't want children, then you have a lot of other options!!!
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 03:26:26 PM
if you don't want children, then you have a lot of other options!!!

I assume a lot of sex tourists go to the FSU as they want sex with hot FSW but don't or can't afford to support FSW and any kids.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Boethius on July 10, 2019, 04:01:38 PM
I sometimes wonder if marriages of convenience may be the best way for the FSU dating scene to operate. Each side states what they want and it's worked out how & when each side will deliver. Both sides get what they want apart from the chemistry/love. Even still both sides could benefit more than staying/being stuck as singles.


Otherwise known as "prostitution". 


You've posted in the past that you don't want to "import" a woman that will leave you.  How is this really different?


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 04:15:09 PM
this is why you go OFF THE BEATEN PATH...

everyone laughed at what I told you about Ukrainian village girls...
now didtn't they?
but I was speaking truth to you...
just not the entire story....

yes, back in the late 90s I was handing out out high end makeup palettes like these in the pic that I bought in bulk at Macy's
I told the girl's I met I was the Macy's District Manager for Ukraine
that we were opening a new store in Kyiv
and I was recruiting staff
I had a fake business card with a fake answering service that answered in my name and then "Macy's Kyiv"
and what totally clinched it, what really made it TOTALLY believable!
was when I handed them one of the Macy's kits gratis
cuz no way could you do that unless
they were free from Macy's!!!!
don't you admire this logic
these women were ALL incredibly eager to be hired, especially at the salary and amazing clothing allowance
and I interviewed them ALL rather thoroughly...

all modelish in appearance, and not old enough to drink hard alcohol
did break that law with an underage (less than 21) girl, my bad....

BUT, big BUT here
none were under 18, ok!!!!!
I am not Epstain
a scammer, yes
but not a pedophile
gotta draw the line...

but anyway pulling the ole makeup palette scam is easy peasy in a village
look for a big city like Dnepr and go to the satellite villages
there will usually be something called a "Doma Kultura" in roughly every 3rd village
it's like a "community center"

go to one of these on a Saturday at 8 pm and dance with the local girls
and get them drunk or high
you will be VERY visible to them
and if there are ANY super hot ones
then you casually let them know that you're the district manger of Macy's Kyiv, and would they like to see Macy's fall makeup palettes?

did you ever hear a teenage girl lose ALL CONTROL and just squeal with extreme joy?
that was their reaction...
so damned easy to go from that to somewhere else...

now do you see how easy it was?

I would like to dedicate this post to Robert T. Fletcher III
the world's MOST successful scammer in Ukraine
this dewd scammed millions of dollars out of Ukrainians!!!!
someone who handily beat all Russians and Ukrainians at scamming
a master
I watched closely his meteoric rise and fall
our paths crossed many times
if "Fletch"  had listened to me, he would today be running half the economy of Ukraine instead of living in Jail...
I make a great consultant
but no one ever listens...

Fletcher traveled everywhere with these two super models
both very tall, old enough to be his grand daughters
one had blond hair and freckles
and the other dark hair and eyes
just the most beautiful girls you could ever imagine

I don't know what became of them when Fletch went to jail...





Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 04:20:07 PM

Otherwise known as "prostitution". 


You've posted in the past that you don't want to "import" a woman that will leave you.  How is this really different?


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I would like to have children, if a FSW wanted the same and we at least got along this wouldn't necessarily be such a bad way for either side to do it. After all there are surrogate mother's and sperm donors so this could be quite preferably, no prostitution.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Omega82 on July 10, 2019, 06:29:40 PM
I understand in some instance it may be difficult for the woman to work.  However if the woman speaks English, there are many jobs that even with a high school diploma can offer you $12 or $15 per hour plus medical insurance and some even offer tuition reimbursement.  The insurance we have at my job offers a competitive rate if you add one dependant but more than one it goes up significantly.  So if there are 2 children then the woman can work and have one child on her work insurance and the man can have the other child on his and the payments don't skyrocket.  The woman can also take advantage of the employer tuition reimbursement if she wants to go back to school and can also use her salary to help her parents and also buy her tickets to go see them every year.  If the man would be the sole provider in this scenario and the woman would want to further her education and also help her parents monthly and visit them then I think the man would need a salary of at least $150,000 per year.  and very few men make that amount of money. 
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: SteveInBoston on July 10, 2019, 07:17:21 PM
This post is rather stupid.

Why would anyone marry a woman with children, be it 1 or 10, if they have no emotional attachment to those children?  Not necessarily as a father, but at least as a friend/mentor?

Why would any woman want to be with a man who considers her children as baggage?

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: GQBlues on July 10, 2019, 07:31:33 PM
I understand in some instance it may be difficult for the woman to work.  However if the woman speaks English, there are many jobs that even with a high school diploma can offer you $12 or $15 per hour plus medical insurance and some even offer tuition reimbursement.  The insurance we have at my job offers a competitive rate if you add one dependant but more than one it goes up significantly.  So if there are 2 children then the woman can work and have one child on her work insurance and the man can have the other child on his and the payments don't skyrocket.  The woman can also take advantage of the employer tuition reimbursement if she wants to go back to school and can also use her salary to help her parents and also buy her tickets to go see them every year.  If the man would be the sole provider in this scenario and the woman would want to further her education and also help her parents monthly and visit them then I think the man would need a salary of at least $150,000 per year.  and very few men make that amount of money.

Omega-

The premise of your question is absurd.  If anyone doesn’t want the added financial burden then any rational thinking man would simply a) not engage in the MOB; and b) with a single mother of one or worst, two.

Why toss a pre-set logic into your inquiry justifying what and why a newly arrived mother, who was chased and convinced for his reasons of convenience, to another country and be expected to immediately finance her keep as a course for agreeing with the proposition.

Many of these gals, given the time  AND opportunity would gladly abide by the rules of advancement within the confines of the relationship and contribute immeasurably to a chosen household. Just likely not in the same time frame you have pinned with your seemingly current target of interest.

For now, just think of this in terms of the current economic state (since you used the proverbial term ‘import’). Yes, it’ll cost you more to import than acquire a comparable homegrown variety. Chalk it up as Trump’s tariffs. The days of more bang for the buck is oh-so 90s...today it’s more bucks for the bang.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 07:56:46 PM
i've raised two of my own children, helped raise my nephew when my sister was going through her divorce
and dated a woman for two years who had two small children....

I also tried unsuccessfully to adopt a child from Ukraine
after that experience I ended up helping two US couples each adopt a child - 1 boy, 1 girl, from Orphanage #2 in Sevastopol

in addition, I know a LOT of American Dad/Russian/Ukrainian Wife couples like myself, it's NOT a huge club, but not small either....

so that's MY "Bona Fides"

how I know truth...

first, raising kids is HARD!!!!
especially if you're an OLD dewd,
do you want to clean up vomit at 2:30 AM?
gotta get up in a few hours to go to work, well that's too bad old man...
welcome to being a Dad!

you REALLY have to spend time with the children in your care!
you must get them used to you being their teacher at a very young age
so it will just be natural for them to follow "for the most part" when they are older
always use logic and reason
and explain WHY something is good or bad
whenever they learn something reward them
but never punish them if they fail

if you have children, you can't hide in your work
THEY are your work as well


raising children can be IMMENSELY REWARDING if you have a bond with the child
there is nothing more magical than the bond you can have with a child that you are raising
they way they look up to you and depend on you
and you watch them grow up year after year until a butterfly emerges from the cocoon and takes wing...

then your child becomes an adult, and the adult becomes one of your closest friends....
and one of the people you respect the most...

a single guy could never understand what this feels like....




Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Omega82 on July 10, 2019, 08:30:24 PM
This post is rather stupid.

Why would anyone marry a woman with children, be it 1 or 10, if they have no emotional attachment to those children?  Not necessarily as a father, but at least as a friend/mentor?

Why would any woman want to be with a man who considers her children as baggage?

Steve, we could say the same about many posts but we're here to help each other right? 

Regarless if I say import, or petition, or being over whatever the lingo, the question is the same. 

I initially asked if anyone has brought over a woman and two kids that are not his.  Then someone said that the man must pay for everything and then I clarified the health insurance scenario where adding multiple people on one policy brings up the premiums significantly and that even some entry level jobs offer tuition reimbursement so in my opinion it's a good idea if the woman works.  Where is the "stupidity" in this Steve? 
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: tfcrew on July 10, 2019, 08:40:30 PM
(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23808.0;attach=37288;image)
Looks like a Colt 45 [Commander?] Double barrel shotgun- Winchester,  Remington, [other?]
 About kids..Could be rewarding ...Could be a bummer. I've seen them both.
One kid joined a gang and got into so much trouble that he got deported.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Gator on July 10, 2019, 08:46:55 PM
About kids..Could be rewarding ...Could be a bummer. I've seen them both.
One kid joined a gang and got into so much trouble that he got deported.

Such an experience is a living nightmare for the parents.  However, sometimes the consequences are a huge wakeup call for the kid to change his life. 

Hope all is well today. 
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 09:10:15 PM
I understand in some instance it may be difficult for the woman to work.  However if the woman speaks English, there are many jobs that even with a high school diploma can offer you $12 or $15 per hour plus medical insurance and some even offer tuition reimbursement.  The insurance we have at my job offers a competitive rate if you add one dependant but more than one it goes up significantly.  So if there are 2 children then the woman can work and have one child on her work insurance and the man can have the other child on his and the payments don't skyrocket.  The woman can also take advantage of the employer tuition reimbursement if she wants to go back to school and can also use her salary to help her parents and also buy her tickets to go see them every year.  If the man would be the sole provider in this scenario and the woman would want to further her education and also help her parents monthly and visit them then I think the man would need a salary of at least $150,000 per year.  and very few men make that amount of money.

I think this is a very good topic you brought up Omega. A girl I was briefly with a couple of years back in Ukraine told me that she would not work in the UK, not even in a part time job. She expected the man to pay for it all, she continued to outline for me in this conversation how her brother goes out to work all hours under the sun to pay for his wife who stays at home with their son, her brother was basically always at work and not much home in the flat, lol. The idea of her paying any expenses, 'going dutch' or anywhere in that direction did not sit well with her and she refused the notion point blank. Even a part time job so that she would have money to pay for the clothes she so wanted didn't strike with her. Bizzare as she apparently worked all hours under the sun in a lowly paid retail job and so could not afford much (think $100-120 or so a month). She could not see that she would be better off working a part time job in the UK which would be money she could spend as she wished. No it was the whole caboodle with her or nothing, insane mentality really that these girls can't grasp that they would still be in a better situation but instead accept the worse situation they have! A completely demented mentality!!! But that's many FSW for you.

Anyway, our conversation helped to reinforce the vision that this girl would expect me to work long and tiring hours to afford her all she wished. That I would be no different than a work slave working all hours under the sun. That the only way to avoid such would be to bring in either a high salary (for me not likely) or be well set up with income from investments and low living costs, or owning own home (which I do) with no or little mortgage. Otherwise I would have it stuck to me to be under siege with a shed load of expenses at all times. So she did at least bring home the reality of what most FSW expect.

Personally if I was in the US I would look to South America, it's far, far nearer, less costly has plenty of hot women and equally plenty to chose from. If being white is an issue find one if the less tanned ones. Most in general aren't really that dark anyway. I understand that South America women can have temper issues etc but with either FSW or South American women you are dealing with a difficult personality in most cases. Many FSW are obstinate and set in their ways as we see here to the point of stupidity. In the UK it's possible to carry a women financially if not that wealthy as the state picks up for a lot of it. In the US I don't think FSW realise how punishing their idea of the man pays all really is. They still have state support for some stuff out there and I don't think realise the  crushing burden their ethos entails on a US guy. That the US guy pays through the ear for everything and of course two children being a particular financial burden.

Some US guys think the guy should pay for a FSW children through College. That's fine if real wealthy or particularly close relationship with them. Myself though I wouldn't see it as my responsibility, most higher ed. In the FSU is not of the level of the west. I would see it as an extra that the FSW or her kids should pay if they want it, it's being overly generous of the guy funding it in my opinion.

Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Omega82 on July 10, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
you're right Trench.  very good observations. 
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 09:41:22 PM
you're right Trench.  very good observations.

Thanks :) Thing is FSW and any if their kids can be real 'passengers'. They just sit there while the guy carries them. Some forum members on here don't mind that as they are very wealthy that it's something they can do and are happy with the return they get. The passenger mentality often jars for most of us more regular guys as it can be a troublesome fit for our western society the way they are structured today. Unfortunately a FSW will often be gormless as to the big helping out to the guy & family finances by just doing a little work. Regardless of the perks you list she'll still highly likely stick to the man pays and not care about the many perks from only doing a little work. Better to cross this bridge mentally in your mind I think as a single guy and get sorted before getting into one with a FSW you meet on it.
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 09:43:28 PM
"looks like a Colt 45 [Commander?] Double barrel shotgun- Winchester,  Remington, [other?]
 About kids..Could be rewarding ...Could be a bummer. I've seen them both.
One kid joined a gang and got into so much trouble that he got deported.


no.. the single action semi auto is a 357 magnum automatic pistol called the Coonan
very rare, only a limited number made
generic pic below...
I hand polished the feeding ramp and swapped for a higher tension Wolf recoil spring for greater feeding reliability
when fired out of it's 5 inch barrel, my 158 grain sierra hollow point handloads averaged a little over 1,420 fps
over 18 inch penetration in gel with massive cavity

double barrel shotgun was a Rossi 12 GA 3 inch chamber...
loaded with 15 pellets of double buck X 2

Russian woman is 6 foot one
she handles recoil well
and she follows my orders without questions EVER...
if I told her to kill someone...
she WOULD DO IT immediately!!!!!

we're like "a salt and pepper team"
except instead of black and white
we're American and Russian
and we like goin around shootin people and stuff

well, I tell ya'
if my kid, joined a gang, I'd tell em, you join the best gang and you make it even better by killing everyone in ALL the other gangs, and I AM GOING TO HELP YOU!!!!!!!!
hell YES!!!!
that's what Father's are freakin for for cryin out loud!!!!

BUT...
my oldest daughter will be living at Rice University in less than two months...
and in two more years my baby will be joining her big sister
so those gang dewds are goddamned lucky my family and I didn't cross their path...
cuz we'd rip the joint...



 





Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 10:28:15 PM
Actually interesting thought I've just had in whether South American women are more accepting/aware of the financial realities of getting with a western man from the US or wherever?

I find that with FSW they can just be so obstinate. There are always exceptions of course but it doesn't make for the easiest if relationships. I kind of wonder if South American women pick up on the, 'ok I'll be better off if I work part time in the US, etc' than the complete denial of economic reality in the west you can get from many FSW?
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
no, Trench, they are more traditional....
OTOH, you support them, and they will try and please you as much as they possibly can
they KNOW how to play it

but no money
no honey
that's EVERY culture Trench
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2019, 10:45:37 PM
no, Trench, they are more traditional....
OTOH, you support them, and they will try and please you as much as they possibly can
they KNOW how to play it

but no money
no honey
that's EVERY culture Trench


Think you're about right there, lol.

Shame, it's a warmer weather out that way.
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: northkape on July 11, 2019, 07:57:15 AM
About work or not,,,,,,
Find the right woman to start with, it is the most important part of marrying abroad.

I have more than twenty years of experience with FSUW.

Here at home in these years, I have met with more than 50 small families with a FSU woman.
Mostly ordinary men in ordinary jobs with medium / low income.
A lot of the women came with a child or children, and I think all of them started working as soon as they were able to.
Many being self employed, or working menial jobs, like cleaning hospitals or similar,
where almost no language is required to start with.

I was married with a 23 year younger for 13 years that gave me two sons.
After divorcing, I married a 27 year younger with a single child.
At that time, my boys were living with me.
Being broke with a shitty economy, and boys living with us created a LOT of friction.
But we are still married almost five years later,
and I can’t see any signs of her leaving me in the foreseeable future.

When starting the search for my second FSU wife I signed up and paid for membership on every FSU dating site I could find.
Mailed out more than 3000 formal letters to women approximately 25 year younger.
All of them fulfilling my criteria; Single mother with a child aged 6 - 12, slim 49 - 59 kg, height 160 - 170cm.
Preferably with reasonable english, good job, good economy, higher education.
Got 300+ answers,,, after filtering down, planned to meet with more than 50 of these, during the year I had set aside for searching.
After the reality of logistics had taken its toll, I was able to meet with 30 - 35.
All of these had good or so-so jobs with good economy, were energetic - ambitious and wanted to work from day one, if possible.

Both my first and second wife, wanted to work as quickly as possible.
My first one started within a year,,, with my present wife there was no choice, with me being almost broke.
She set up her own business on the first floor of my office building, and got started almost from day one.
Being a self employed entrepreneur through all of her adult life, it was what she wanted anyway.
She is not comfortable with asking for money, and don’t feel well being dependent on someone other than herself.
What I had to offer,, was free rent, and setting up a nice website for her business, to attract customers immediately.

This year, her 16 year old daughter has started her own business in a corner of my wife's shop.
Working in the evenings after school, doing eyelashes and nails for other teen-age girls at her school.
Not a lot of income, but she loves making her own money,,,,, something like USD 100 a week.
 

Read all of it here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.0
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: SteveInBoston on July 11, 2019, 10:21:57 AM
Steve, we could say the same about many posts but we're here to help each other right? 

Regarless if I say import, or petition, or being over whatever the lingo, the question is the same. 

I initially asked if anyone has brought over a woman and two kids that are not his.  Then someone said that the man must pay for everything and then I clarified the health insurance scenario where adding multiple people on one policy brings up the premiums significantly and that even some entry level jobs offer tuition reimbursement so in my opinion it's a good idea if the woman works.  Where is the "stupidity" in this Steve?

It is stupid.  Like some other posts here.

This post was doomed from the start by the choice of subject line. "Importing a woman and lots of baggage".  I'm pretty sure almost everyone here would agree that if that is your view of this relationship - importing an indentured servant (can she immediately go to work to support the household) and trying to minimize the impact of her brats, then it's a trainwreck from the start.

Nothing about love is logical.  We all do crazy, irrational things.  The least consideration about this venture, to find a someone you love enough to marry, is money.  Because, especially when looking overseas, it is expensive.  If you are trying to min/max a relationship for financial gain or security, perhaps you might have a chance if you pursue a wealthy widow.

When pursuing a woman with children, don't.  Not with your mindset.  If they are just red numbers on a monthly expense spreadsheet to you, then do them and yourself a favor and walk away.

For anyone else who is facing a situation of a potential instant family, and they care enough to try to make it work, then let's discuss how to support a new family.  If you need help from your new spouse, then discuss it with her.  Find out how long you can provide for them without her being able to work, and try to plan accordingly.  Financial distress is the number one relationship killer. 
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: 2tallbill on July 11, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
I think the man would need a salary of at least $150,000 per year.  and very few men make that amount of money.

I think you underestimate a number of things.

An FSUW can make money once the kids start attending school.
Having a stay at home wife/mother can make you more efficient.
She can manage the household, that frees you up to make more
money.

You will spend a lot more time doing family stuff, but you will spend far
less time doing unproductive stuff. You will generally eat better and drink
less, you will probably get to bed at a far better time to be effective the
next day. Your appearance will probably be better, your old shirts will
tend to disappear, you will show up to a sales call looking more put
together.

Many FSUW are thrifty (many are not) depending on who you end up
with. I buy a bag of flour at least once a month. When I was single I
didn't buy a bag of flour per year. My wife makes things from scratch,
she prepares food from raw ingredients and buys nothing processed.

My wife won't pay retail prices for ANYTHING. It's amazing how often
she will go shopping and not buy anything. However, not all FSUW are
like that so your mileage will vary. Some FSUW can't cook at all.

My overall point is that the right woman usually makes us better.

Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: ML on July 11, 2019, 11:35:22 AM
The days of more bang for the buck is oh-so 90s...today it’s more bucks for the bang.

Very clever; I like it !!!  :-))
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: ML on July 11, 2019, 11:56:57 AM
About work or not,,,,,,
Find the right woman to start with, it is the most important part of marrying abroad.

I have more than twenty years of experience with FSUW.

Here at home in these years, I have met with more than 50 small families with a FSU woman.
Mostly ordinary men in ordinary jobs with medium / low income.
A lot of the women came with a child or children, and I think all of them started working as soon as they were able to.
Many being self employed, or working menial jobs, like cleaning hospitals or similar,
where almost no language is required to start with.

I was married with a 23 year younger for 13 years that gave me two sons.
After divorcing, I married a 27 year younger with a single child.
At that time, my boys were living with me.
Being broke with a shitty economy, and boys living with us created a LOT of friction.
But we are still married almost five years later,
and I can’t see any signs of her leaving me in the foreseeable future.

When starting the search for my second FSU wife I signed up and paid for membership on every FSU dating site I could find.
Mailed out more than 3000 formal letters to women approximately 25 year younger.
All of them fulfilling my criteria; Single mother with a child aged 6 - 12, slim 49 - 59 kg, height 160 - 170cm.
Preferably with reasonable english, good job, good economy, higher education.
Got 300+ answers,,, after filtering down, planned to meet with more than 50 of these, during the year I had set aside for searching.
After the reality of logistics had taken its toll, I was able to meet with 30 - 35.
All of these had good or so-so jobs with good economy, were energetic - ambitious and wanted to work from day one, if possible.

Both my first and second wife, wanted to work as quickly as possible.
My first one started within a year,,, with my present wife there was no choice, with me being almost broke.
She set up her own business on the first floor of my office building, and got started almost from day one.
Being a self employed entrepreneur through all of her adult life, it was what she wanted anyway.
She is not comfortable with asking for money, and don’t feel well being dependent on someone other than herself.
What I had to offer,, was free rent, and setting up a nice website for her business, to attract customers immediately.

This year, her 16 year old daughter has started her own business in a corner of my wife's shop.
Working in the evenings after school, doing eyelashes and nails for other teen-age girls at her school.
Not a lot of income, but she loves making her own money,,,,, something like USD 100 a week.
 

Read all of it here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.0

North, thanks a lot for your very well written and informative post.

My surprise though was that you were able to bring the second wife to Norway given your financial situation.

Doesn't Norway have minimum threshold of income and/or assets similar to what USA and UK has?
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: nano on July 13, 2019, 12:12:17 PM
Most posts are about how to have entertainment and nothing about family. How pay less, delay "baggage" and "inport" cheap entertaiment for too much clever and of course conciouse man . :)
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 13, 2019, 12:42:05 PM
well, I offered to help you...
but I am way outside your comfort zone
so you declined...

how much time do you have before cold weather moves in to Cat earring berg, maybe 3 months?
and then before you know it, another year has passed by

in three months you could be dating the lonely, wealthy owner of an oil company right here in The Woodlands, Texas
and you'd introduce yourself to him by sitting next to him in Woodlands United Methodist Church on Sunday morning...

there are hundreds of men like him in the area...
if you come here
and HUNT here
you would not leave empty handed, if you have any "talent" that is...
but I don't think you are a brave girl who would try something like this

I came to your country and did this!!!
so why don't you come to my country and do the same????

I'll even help you,
because I'm interested in how it would turn out!!!!

I just don't think you'd have the courage
to try it






 
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: nano on July 13, 2019, 02:12:42 PM
krimster2 I havent see you come for somebody, rather for something...
And I have sufficiant courage but would spend it in another way then to go to your country to catch " wealthy owner of an oil company" :popcorn: Its nonsence.
Let "wealthy owner" spend some money and come here to Cat earring berg  :)
as I am totally passive! :-* so for me better to stay home  :)
Even despite krimster2 oppressive mood 
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 13, 2019, 02:53:01 PM
"And I have sufficiant courage but would spend it in another way then to go to your country to catch " wealthy owner of an oil company" :popcorn: Its nonsence."

NO IT IS NOT!!!!! NO!!!! NO!!!! NO!!!!

let me just give you ONE out of 100 examples in my community
http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/the-ultimate-real-housewife-of-houston/

I know Theresa Roemer and her husband Lamar Roemer, they don’t live too far away from me
we usually run into each other a few times per year, but we’re NOT friends

but I do know that she met him EXACTLY the way I described to you
she just sat down next to him in church, because she knew EXACTLY who he was...
and she just “poached him”
and she was roughly your age

like I said, you’re AFRAID...
for you, it’s better to just WISH for something than it is to take action and go and get it, right?

I’m guessing that if you were hungry
you’d wait for the fruit to fall from the tree
instead of climbing up and gathering some

it’s ok...
it's your choice
but if you listened to me you’d be spending this winter in Texas instead of “cat ice berg”
and by next year, you'd be married and have a closet even bigger than than Teresa's...

man, when my wife saw her closet..... sigh...

bottom line, easier for you to just make a wish, when you shut your eyes and go to sleep at night
than it is to try and get the things you want from life

then you have to make a real effort, instead of the difficult task of "waiting"
and of course you have a chance of failure and disappointment
who would want to have to deal with that?

plus you're Russian so you are predisposed to believe that success is not possible

yeah, I see you
ya vidisch

like I told you, I am outside your comfort zone

Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: tfcrew on July 14, 2019, 01:21:10 PM
Most posts are about how to have entertainment and nothing about family. How pay less, delay "baggage" and "inport" cheap entertaiment for too much clever and of course conciouse man . :)
Yup

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Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: tfcrew on July 14, 2019, 01:26:00 PM
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You can even give her one for her birthday or anniversary!
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: krimster2 on July 14, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
I remember the Hoover!!!!
it had a light on the front
my dog was afraid of it
and ran out of the house every
time the maid turned it on

Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: tfcrew on July 14, 2019, 02:26:11 PM
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Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: Jamesukjames on July 14, 2019, 09:35:04 PM
All men are diverse as are all women.  Some enjoy raising non biological kids some don't.  It's about finding the right person.  Also why judge a Slavic woman by American or western European rules when the only reason to date fsu  is to avoid the feminazis the western society creates.
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: northkape on July 21, 2019, 04:09:34 AM
North, thanks a lot for your very well written and informative post.

My surprise though was that you were able to bring the second wife to Norway given your financial situation.

Doesn't Norway have minimum threshold of income and/or assets similar to what USA and UK has?

Yes ML,,,
Norway have minimum threshold of income and/or assets similar to what USA and UK has.

For the three preceding years, you need to have a tax registered income above approximately USD 30K.
Only two years needed, if you have tax declared assets above 300K, if I remember it correctly.

I fulfilled these requirements in 2014, when I applied for a visa late that year, for Tanya and her daughter.
Then for the upcoming year I couldn't fulfil it, as there is no way to add income after the fact.
Assets were not a problem, but I hadn't declared enough income for the last year.
 
That's why I moved to Sweden one of the first days of 2015, after marrying with Tanya on the 2nd of January.
When a native citizen is moving to another Scandinavian country, he is entitled to take his family along, whatever country they are from.
It took me a lot of research, to find the correct loopholes, and how to pass through them.

We are living close to border on each side,,,,
Early next year, after 5 years of living in Sweden, Tanya and her daughter will have their Swedish passports.
Then they are entitled to move and live, wherever they want within the European Union.
She can in principle, do so today also, as she has a permanent residence permit in Sweden.
But it is still a lot of trouble with a Ukraine passport.
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: msmob on July 21, 2019, 04:52:54 AM
Yes ML,,,

When a native citizen is moving to another Scandinavian country, he is entitled to take his family along, whatever country they are from.
It took me a lot of research, to find the correct loopholes, and how to pass through them.

It's based on the EU Directive 2004/38/EC

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32004L0038 (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32004L0038)

ANY EU citizen can exercise his / her treaty rights to move  to a third nation with his non EU dependents ro any EU/EEA nation

But it is still a lot of trouble with a Ukraine passport.

It REALLY shouldn't be ... it is a problem for any nation / employer / school, etc., making problems for her - as they all must be treated as EU / EEA citizens

If she or the kids suffer such issues and you believe an instituation / country are not in compliance - check out your local SolVIT - designed to help in such difficulties

http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/index.htm (http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/index.htm)
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: ML on July 21, 2019, 05:19:05 AM

It REALLY shouldn't be ... it is a problem for any nation / employer / school, etc., making problems for her - as they all must be treated as EU / EEA citizens

But wife and her daughter were/are not EU/EEA citizens.
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: msmob on July 21, 2019, 05:28:12 AM
But wife and her daughter were/are not EU/EEA citizens.

ML, you should read the link ;)

The EU Directive ( must do  - even if in conflict with national law) makes it abundantly clear that NON- EU / EEA family members of an EU/ EEA citizen exercising their treaty right - freedom of movement - must be treated as if EU / EEA citzens ..

Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: ML on July 21, 2019, 05:50:03 AM
ML, you should read the link ;)

The EU Directive ( must do  - even if in conflict with national law) makes it abundantly clear that NON- EU / EEA family members of an EU/ EEA citizen exercising their treaty right - freedom of movement - must be treated as if EU / EEA citzens ..

OK thanks.

But myself and most of us are never going to take the time to go read links.

So for me, best to just post the essence (as you have above) of whatever point is needed to be made.
And maybe such a post needs to be repeated when someone like me misses the point the first time around.
Title: Re: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: msmob on July 21, 2019, 06:07:58 AM
 :cheesy:

This SUCH important info for EU / EEA folk - thinking of 'importing' an FSU partner ...
Title: Importing a woman and lots of baggage
Post by: 2tallbill on July 21, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
Most posts are about how to have entertainment and nothing about family. How pay less, delay "baggage" and "inport" cheap entertaiment for too much clever and of course conciouse man . :)


Nano,

There is a bunch of information and advice at this forum. Some of it
is very good and some of it has zero value. If you spend a little more
time here, you will learn which members post the most worthless things
and which members post the best.

Eventually you will see a post from a zero value member and you will
skip over it since there is no reason to waste your time with stupid things. 

Don't let a few idiots discourage your participation here.

I wish you good luck and success!