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« Reply #625 on: November 23, 2014, 06:15:18 PM »
The CIA operation to arm and finance the Mujahideen was both covert and huge.  Wiki states, the program "...was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken; funding began with $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987. 

We could do the same today in Ukraine.

Yes we could, although with a weakling like Obama in office I expect Britain and Canada are going to act first.  One thing we've done which seems to already be a success though is the radars given to Ukraine. 

I suspect that is what they used here:

http://maidantranslations.com/2014/11/23/wings-phoenix-about-that-high-precision-weapon-at-donetsk-airport/

(link already posted by Mike upthread)
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« Reply #626 on: November 23, 2014, 06:18:06 PM »
The CIA operation to arm and finance the Mujahideen was both covert and huge.  Wiki states, the program "...was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken; funding began with $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987. 

We could do the same today in Ukraine.
Maybe you need another Charlie Wilson ;):

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« Reply #627 on: November 23, 2014, 06:54:23 PM »
So even if he is in Washington, he travels to Russia frequently, on a Russian passport.  He is no less Russian than are you.  In fact, he left Russia later than you did.
Doesn't matter

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« Reply #628 on: November 23, 2014, 07:00:16 PM »
Then why did you raise it initially?
After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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« Reply #629 on: November 23, 2014, 07:18:31 PM »
Because she thought she could put a spin on it until it failed..  :crackwhip:

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« Reply #630 on: November 23, 2014, 08:10:48 PM »
Then why did you raise it initially?
I was not me  who posted the link on Illariononv. I googled him

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« Reply #631 on: November 23, 2014, 08:11:59 PM »
Because she thought she could put a spin on it until it failed..  :crackwhip:
somebody posted the link ( again)

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« Reply #632 on: November 23, 2014, 08:30:23 PM »
Maybe you need another Charlie Wilson ;):

Unlikely in my opinion.  He was an extraordinary man to have pulled this off.  A remarkable CIA case officer also was instrumental.  Even more important, the Republicans and Democrats worked better together then and Charlie made it happen. 

Charlie Wilson led a wild private life, a known ladies' man.  His nickname was "Good Time Charlie."  His overwhelmingly religious district re-elected him 12 times.  Charlie explained this inconsistency, saying his voters did not want a "constipated monk."


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« Reply #633 on: November 23, 2014, 08:33:23 PM »
Maybe you need another Charlie Wilson ;):


Agree 100%
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« Reply #634 on: November 23, 2014, 08:53:07 PM »
« Last Edit: November 23, 2014, 08:54:43 PM by Doll »

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« Reply #635 on: November 23, 2014, 08:56:08 PM »

Doll, I was referring to this -

Just a reminder- Illarionov lives in Washington


Yes, he lives in Washington, but he was a government advisor for a lengthy period, and still holds Russian citizenship.  As I understand, he travels to Russia frequently as part of his work.  So, I don't think the fact he lives in Washington means he doesn't understand Russia.
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« Reply #636 on: November 23, 2014, 08:58:07 PM »
Doll, I was referring to this -


Yes, he lives in Washington, but he was a government advisor for a lengthy period, and still holds Russian citizenship.  As I understand, he travels to Russia frequently as part of his work.  So, I don't think the fact he lives in Washington means he doesn't understand Russia.
he says what Washington wants him to say

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« Reply #637 on: November 23, 2014, 09:03:39 PM »
Ummm Yah sure..  :wallbash:

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« Reply #638 on: November 23, 2014, 09:11:33 PM »
he says what Washington wants him to say


Is that Democrat Washington, Republican Washington, or the libertarian position (the Cato Institute professes to be libertarian)?


If the latter, it is not saying what Washington wants.
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« Reply #639 on: November 23, 2014, 09:13:24 PM »

Is that Democrat Washington, Republican Washington, or the libertarian position (the Cato Institute professes to be libertarian)?


If the latter, it is not saying what Washington wants.
doesn't matter

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« Reply #640 on: November 23, 2014, 09:38:13 PM »
What doesn't matter?  That it is libertarian?


If you read academic papers, you will note that most academics do not follow Washington's perspectives. Most American think tanks are vying for influence among policy makers, not vice versa.
After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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« Reply #641 on: November 23, 2014, 10:34:19 PM »
he says what Washington wants him to say
Russians don't understand Freedom of Speech in the West.

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« Reply #642 on: November 23, 2014, 10:42:12 PM »
doesn't matter

What she means is that anyone who disagrees with Putin is now the enemy.  End of story.  Right Doll?

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« Reply #643 on: November 23, 2014, 10:47:18 PM »
AC, something about your avatar photo is 'distracting'.

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« Reply #644 on: November 23, 2014, 10:55:43 PM »
AC, something about your avatar photo is 'distracting'.

You like to be distracted?    ;D

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« Reply #645 on: November 23, 2014, 11:24:29 PM »
An update on the affect of sanctions makes interesting reading.
AC--just read between the lines and you will get the jist of the story !!  ( to point out what should be obvious--many do not follow links or translate material in links).This type of story  illustrates that sanctions are impacting on the population at large-- and in time the negative impact will develop a groundswell of opinion against Putins policies and make Russians see the distaste for Russian behaviour.
It is one part of the jigsaw that can rid the world of Putin and his cronies.

In brewing "hungry" revolt: prices are rising, and the Kremlin wants to feed people krokodylyatynoyu
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/svit/u-rosiyi-nazrivaye-golodniy-bunt-cini-rostut-a-kreml-hoche-nagoduvati-lyudey-krokodilyatinoyu-393309.html

Of "choking" through sanctions, cheap oil, the fall of the ruble and increase spending on the war. TSN.ua

In looming huge social rebellion against Kremlin Sanctions cheap oil, the ruble, falling and rising cost of the war drag Russia into the bottom. The ruble has lost a third of its value. Oil from the beginning of the year fell to $ 26. Falling for every dollar - a minus two billion in the Russian budget. Therefore Kremlin knows not dorahuyetsya 52 billion this year. This is stated in the plot TSN.Tyzhden . In addition, elopement capital by the end of the year will be 128 billion dollars. And despite the fact that the loss of even 90 billion economists called irreversible catastrophe.
See also: Twitter banter with reacted to panic: Russia rose from his knees and ran for buckwheat So the budget of all social programs, pensions and wages already cut.
 I have to admit that the Russian economy - Putin can not afford. Most Russians see it every day - at price tags in stores. Sanctions cheap oil and the fall of the ruble drag Russia into the bottom   Another two months because of international sanctions have become almost a national pride of Russians - they were happy, scared poplars and Iskander and strongly praised the wise head of the Kremlin. Russian press talked about race and trained notable producers, which can easily replace all prohibited importation of products. And the benefits of such bans called apparent. Foie game found in Vladimir, in Valaam - monks, who promised to cook Orthodox mozzarella and rykottu and Mordovia cows put Celentano, give inspiration to those for milk parmesan.
All this exotic a la Russe on the shelves of supermarkets in Moscow we found. Read more: On Russian TV channels continue to tell the horrors of the Ukrainian army At the Muscovite Alexander going to monitor the Moscow supermarket. "Vegetables rose 20 percent," - said the man. I have changed residence - British apples imported from Belarus. Salmon were suddenly catch somewhere near Brest. "Previously it cost 120-130 rubles per pack, and now - 300 rubles, or twice the price" - says Alexander. Perekleyuvaty stickers and did not re-export or Camembert cheese - even two months ago, he was now remains milked, new is brought. On the shelves of Russian and very similar to it, at least visually, cheese with foreign names. Suddenly Russian buckwheat and salt were deficient and also beat price records. Some stores give the country a maximum of five packs of buckwheat in hand. They say - crop failure. "In general, of course, the cost of food basket has increased, according to our family estimates, 50 percent" - said Moscow resident Alexander. The Russians started to count every penny. Complain that zdorozhchalo all, especially meat and "milk". And not just imported. Russian products are unpatriotic and lifted her up prices.
 Putin's electorate, which in Crimea capture the Kremlin has promised to forgive everything suddenly began to complain in unison control services and newspapers - the salary is not live. Newspapers in response abound tips on how to survive the crisis and come out of it victorious, how to spend the winter in warm areas without money and where to spend the last.

Read also: Norway froze political cooperation with Russia because of its aggression in Ukraine Dmitry Potapenko - known retailer in Russia - the owner of the supermarket chain. Recently live main propaganda channel decided vyvalyty whole truth and just dipped Russian urapatriotiv into a deep depression. Actually, with the presenter, who did not want pidihruvaty, stating that the current troubles blame themselves. Shelves have not emptied for imports from Ukraine and Europe replaced products from third countries. But the main revelation known retailer is different: the so-called Russian national product actually exists. Russian chicken eggs begins with German as local beef and 90% of livestock and crop production in Russia. His contribution to the so-called import substitution made smugglers - they present ideal conditions. Meat being taken to Russia under the guise of gum and jelly. Greek peaches delivered from Macedonia, popular Polish apples - Serbian and Norwegian fish and seafood - from the Faroe Islands and Greenland. In December, according to experts, everything goes up vidstokiv 20.
But Putin an interesting economy. "In 2015 they increased by 80 percent funding of defense. The money should be taken from somewhere, so have decided to reform health care, reducing hospital doctors. Why was this done? It was necessary to reduce the army and the police," - said economist Vladimir Perevyerzyev. Doctors are preparing for the end of November riot, and business people packing their bags. According to their account Kremlin wants to finance its economic bloopers introduction of new taxes - such as going to a quarterly business with real estate taxes, which they use. The list got taxis, hairdressers, cafes, garages and even pay toilets. Read also: Russia recognized the aggressive police state №1 in the world "The social explosion could happen very soon. Maybe in six months. I do not think we will have a Square, but something did happen" - predicts economist Vladimir Perevyerzyev.
Meanwhile, "Rosselkhoznadzor" that prydyravsya to Ukrainian pork and found how to fill empty shelves and allowed to import Russian crocodile meat and carcasses Indian buffalo. South Africa and Namibia Russians offer to buy meat of wild African antelope. This is not the distant future - one of the Filipino farms already shivering first batch of crocodiles. They say, strengthens the immune system. Russian housewives already advised where to find recipes and demonstrate that crocodile meat like chicken. But even frozen reptile will afford only wealthy. Prices serious bite by crocodiles. And that's just the impact of sanctions. The fall of the ruble Russians feel completely in December.

TSN reporter Margaret Sytnyk
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/svit/u-rosiyi-nazrivaye-golodniy-bunt-cini-rostut-a-kreml-hoche-nagoduvati-lyudey-krokodilyatinoyu-393309.html
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #646 on: November 23, 2014, 11:59:00 PM »
If that's factual then Russia is in much more of a hurting condition than they let on. Doll may be right about them eating dirt soon. We already know that even a staple like buckwheat is missing from the store shelves.

 The junta in power may have serious problems staying in power with their own Maidan revolution looming.
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« Reply #647 on: November 24, 2014, 12:01:53 AM »
Russians don't understand Freedom of Speech in the West.
Hahaha remember Edward Snowden

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« Reply #648 on: November 24, 2014, 12:18:58 AM »
Hahaha remember where Stalin's own daughter is?  :clapping:

 Where was Putins daughter until Dada invaded UA and his minions shot down the airliner with 298 souls on board?

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« Reply #649 on: November 24, 2014, 12:43:06 AM »
Hahaha remember where Stalin's own daughter is?  :clapping:

 Where was Putins daughter until Dada invaded UA and his minions shot down the airliner with 298 souls on board?
how is it linked?

 

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