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Title: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 13, 2012, 07:27:38 AM: Hello everyone! I am doing a research about difficulties and differences AM facing when in a cross-cultural relationship. It's not a secret, RW are complex individuals and require a lot of understanding and patience from AM.
I would appreciate if AM share with me their difficulties with dating, marrying and living with RW.
As well as I will answer all questions that you might have as of how to approach RW and what her phrases/reactions might mean. :rules:
Thank you in advance for your time and participation.
Let the party begin! :popcorn:
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: Belvis on April 13, 2012, 08:17:24 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 07:27:38 AM
It's not a secret, RW are complex individuals that require understanding and patience.
Get lost, complex individual :)
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: nichka on April 13, 2012, 10:08:47 AM: I would take it as a warm :welcome: from you Belvis.
But to be serious, I honestly think that Russian Women are complex with their moods, beliefs, games, views on this world, along with the different idea of " being happy" 8)
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: ML on April 13, 2012, 10:53:19 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 10:08:47 AM
I would take it as a warm :welcome: from you Belvis.
But to be serious, I honestly think that Russian Women are complex with their moods, beliefs, games, views on this world, along with the different idea of " being happy" 8)

It's because of the 'Russian Soul.' No other culture has such.
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 10:58:57 AM: Welcome Nichka

Ah, complex mood and an idea of being happy (at a Turkey resort) :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPy8B_Pfg3k
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 13, 2012, 11:26:17 AM: What is the research you are doing?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 13, 2012, 11:26:34 AM: Russian soul... I agree.
One American friend of mine , has been always amazed by the mixture of emotions and feelings that are boiling inside me... as he used to say " mysterious unknown and very exciting Russian beauty.." . It was nice to hear, but sad at the same time, because I had so many situations , where I simply couldn't explain what I felt , and why one minute I would be happy, and then suddenly sad and inside myself just from listening to a song
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 13, 2012, 11:30:09 AM: Hi Misha,
I am trying to analyse all misunderstandings between AM & RW, along with the shocking acts of AM that make our women want to puke and dump the AM. ( Like him blowing nose while at the table with his Russian Lady and in the middle of dinner) :deadhorse:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: GQBlues on April 13, 2012, 12:14:12 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 11:26:34 AM
Russian soul... I agree.
One American friend of mine , has been always amazed by the mixture of emotions and feelings that are boiling inside me... as he used to say " mysterious unknown and very exciting Russian beauty.." . It was nice to hear, but sad at the same time, because I had so many situations , where I simply couldn't explain what I felt , and why one minute I would be happy, and then suddenly sad and inside myself just from listening to a song

Ahah! So that is Russian Soul!...I'll be damned!

Well Nichka, the latter part of your post suggests we also have these periods with American women, so don't be too concerned about it.

The initial portion of the statement is just simply American men's patronizing way to reap the rewards of your post-period state, or as we usually say at home..."just trying to get lucky"

Don't be alarmed, both, if detected in time and attended to properly, will come and go like a midnight train to Georgia.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 13, 2012, 01:07:54 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Hi Misha,
I am trying to analyse all misunderstandings between AM & RW, along with the shocking acts of AM that make our women want to puke and dump the AM. ( Like him blowing nose while at the table with his Russian Lady and in the middle of dinner) :deadhorse:

Ah, so it is personal research then ;) However, I have to ask where you found this sample of AM that blow their nose while at the table? Hopefully, you are not married to one of these men who want to make RW puke >:D However, I do believe you are overstating the difference between RW and the other women of the planet :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 13, 2012, 02:00:08 PM: Well, yes , that is a personal research. And , no I am not married to AM. I dated AM for a few years and everything was good in terms of having fun time, talking about careers and goals in life.He was very intelligent, caring and funny person, but and he tried to be a part of everything what was important to me. But there was always something that was missing ... Big Time! That was the reason I didn't marry him. Luckily I found the men who I love with all my heart . He is Ukrainian. He is the man I feel protected with , strong, real man.
As of the good manners of AM, to be honest I do work in a very upscale professional environment with high class American men, and yes they are blowing their nose in the middle of lunch , burping accidently and dont care much how they dressed. It does bother me , but I don't judge them. I like working with them , but that's where it starts and ends.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 13, 2012, 02:58:02 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
Well, yes , that is a personal research. And , no I am not married to AM. I dated AM for a few years and everything was good in terms of having fun time, talking about careers and goals in life.He was very intelligent, caring and funny person, but and he tried to be a part of everything what was important to me. But there was always something that was missing ... Big Time! That was the reason I didn't marry him. Luckily I found the men who I love with all my heart . He is Ukrainian. He is the man I feel protected with , strong, real man.
As of the good manners of AM, to be honest I do work in a very upscale professional environment with high class American men, and yes they are blowing their nose in the middle of lunch , burping accidently and dont care much how they dressed. It does bother me , but I don't judge them. I like working with them , but that's where it starts and ends.

Now this oughtta get good in a hurry! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Welcome Nichka, glad you found your love. Wherever with whomever.

As to the topic heading... nah... they're not really compatible.. ;D but pretty darn good together in bed.. so it's a decent trade off.. >:D >:D >:D The rest is just fluff anyway ... used for the sole purpose of getting back into the bed..
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 13, 2012, 03:01:45 PM: Quick answer:

No.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 13, 2012, 03:08:22 PM: Olga,

I sure wish the video had sub-titles in English. This would be a riot to understad in English. ;D
Title: AM and RW? Compatible?? Bwahahah!
Post by: Daveman on April 13, 2012, 03:16:16 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 10:58:57 AM
Welcome Nichka

Ah, complex mood and an idea of being happy (at a Turkey resort) :D

..

Turkish resorts???

Let's plaaaayyyyyy GA GAAAA! The game of desire....

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13222.msg261259#msg261259 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13222.msg261259#msg261259)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 03:25:17 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 13, 2012, 03:08:22 PM
Olga,

I sure wish the video had sub-titles in English. This would be a riot to understad in English. ;D

subtitles? ::) it would be, pardon me, something like: "f-k you f-ing motherf..er, f-k off, son of a b-ch, come here f-khead..." though Russian foul language is more colorful and richer... as a Russian soul ;D
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: Spoon on April 13, 2012, 03:50:06 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 10:58:57 AM
Welcome Nichka

Ah, complex mood and an idea of being happy (at a Turkey resort) :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPy8B_Pfg3k

Ahh yes, the Russian entitlement attitude rears it's ugly head (again) ;) He was always in trouble once the shoe came off!!!
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 03:57:48 PM: Quote from: Spoon on April 13, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
Ahh yes, the Russian entitlement attitude rears it's ugly head (again) ;) He was always in trouble once the shoe came off!!!

I would give her a chance to experience a Turkish "monkey house" if I were a manager of that resort ;D
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: Belvis on April 13, 2012, 04:46:37 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 11:26:34 AM
Russian soul... I agree.
Quote from: ML on April 13, 2012, 10:53:19 AM
It's because of the 'Russian Soul.' No other culture has such.

Nichka, ML was sarcastic ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 13, 2012, 06:45:24 PM: Olga,

I got the drift of her expressions just by her body language. What I was curious about, was she arguing with another customer, her boyfriend or husband, etc. Also, what started the argument?

Did he belch at the table? ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 07:05:18 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 13, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Olga,

I got the drift of her expressions just by her body language. What I was curious about, was she arguing with another customer, her boyfriend or husband, etc. Also, what started the argument?

Did he belch at the table? ;D

no, in the video she is drunk and arguing with a barman because she has to wait for her drink, as I understood.

"Did not you see Russian drunk women? You will see..." - she also said

That woman in the video is a typical "bydlo" with attitude as we say in Russia "cattle" more over "drunk cattle"
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 13, 2012, 07:11:04 PM: Olga,

Thanks for clearing it up. I had guessed that someone had insulted her and she was responding.
Ha Ha Ha. I guess if we go to the bar to get a woman a drink, we better not take too long. ;D

Yes, I have seen a drunk FSU women. I think it was the only time she was in a good mood.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 07:16:11 PM: Calmissile,

Because of such women and men like in the video the Russian tourists have a bad reputations... and very often they are called Russian pigs.

BTW there is a Russian saying: make a person drunk and you will see his/her true nature ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 13, 2012, 07:23:22 PM: BTW there is a Russian saying: make a person drunk and you will see his/her true nature

OLga,

I totally agree. I think the expression must be universal! It is so true. It's hard to mask or fake your true personality when drinking. I'm glad I am a happy drunk. ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 13, 2012, 09:02:20 PM: Quote
BTW there is a Russian saying: make a person drunk and you will see his/her true nature

There is the same saying in English. :)

Perhaps Sandro can confirm, but I think this is in Egypt, not Turkey. I think the language of the staff was Arabic, but I could be mistaken.

I recall lots of complaints about the drunken behaviour of Brits in Greece and Spain. But, they were largely students.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: noelscot on April 13, 2012, 10:08:11 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 07:27:38 AM
Hello everyone! I am doing a research about difficulties and differences AM facing when in a cross-cultural relationship. It's not a secret, RW are complex individuals and require a lot of understanding and patience from AM.
I would appreciate if AM share with me their difficulties with dating, marrying and living with RW.
As well as I will answer all questions that you might have as of how to approach RW and what her phrases/reactions might mean. :rules:
Thank you in advance for your time and participation.
Let the party begin! :popcorn:

Da, nyet, ya ne znayu.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: newjason on April 13, 2012, 11:39:29 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
Well, yes , that is a personal research. And , no I am not married to AM. I dated AM for a few years and everything was good in terms of having fun time, talking about careers and goals in life.He was very intelligent, caring and funny person, but and he tried to be a part of everything what was important to me. But there was always something that was missing ... Big Time! That was the reason I didn't marry him. Luckily I found the men who I love with all my heart . He is Ukrainian. He is the man I feel protected with , strong, real man.
As of the good manners of AM, to be honest I do work in a very upscale professional environment with high class American men, and yes they are blowing their nose in the middle of lunch , burping accidently and dont care much how they dressed. It does bother me , but I don't judge them. I like working with them , but that's where it starts and ends.

Hello nichka.
Welcome.
So you are doing personal research, for what reason?
What is it exactly that you want to know?
IF you dated an AM for several years, I think you can say that you were compatible, yes?
As for the environment you work in, up scale and professional,
Perhaps it is not as up scale at you think.
The point I am trying to make is, We are all humans and at the end of the day, we all are basicly the same. Thinking that some people are High Class, and others are Low Class, is a matter of opinion and perspective. Once you get to know people, they are really just people and as people, we are imperfect, in all of our many different ways.

That being said, there are people who are raised differently and have different understandings of common sense, decency, and manners.
How people handle themselves at the table when eating , that is just a matter of how polite someone feels and what their boundaries are.

Personally I was raised to eat, sitting up straight, take small bites, and keep your mouth closed when chewing. Don't talk with your mouth full, and hold your bodily functions until you are excused from the meal.
However, I had an uncle and his family who would come over for a holiday meal, and you would think they were raised in a barn yard the way they chew with mouths open, talk with food in their mouths, burp, belch and just generally everything that I would never do.
It was strange to me, But, that was their normal way.
Not wrong, just their own way.

I have never encountered anyone who blew their nose at the table when eating.
That I would say Is offensive and not very hygienic.

If it were me, I would find some other place to enjoy my meal, far far away from the Rhinosauruses.

;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: SANDRO43 on April 14, 2012, 04:33:15 AM: Quote from: Boethius on April 13, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Perhaps Sandro can confirm, but I think this is in Egypt, not Turkey. I think the language of the staff was Arabic, but I could be mistaken.
I think so, but the clip audio is too confused to be certain - any utterance from the bar tenders is totally overwhelmed by the girl's vocal reactions. She didn't blow her nose, though ;D.

BTW, I don't think Turkish bar tenders would have taken the abuse so meekly ::).

Quote
Some of the comments on the original video (on YT) suggest they are speaking Arabic
"They speak Arabic whith Egyptian accent." tarikrajab 13 hours ago
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Spoon on April 14, 2012, 04:40:01 AM: Some of the comments on the original video (on YT) suggest they are speaking Arabic and seem to think perhaps Syria was the location.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 04:52:07 AM: Nichka asks AM only, but my opinion is- they are not compatible.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: newjason on April 14, 2012, 04:59:19 AM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 04:52:07 AM
Nichka asks AM only, but my opinion is- they are not compatible.

Care to elaborate on that miss Doll?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 06:33:42 AM: Quote from: newjason on April 14, 2012, 04:59:19 AM
Care to elaborate on that miss Doll?
Different mentality: preferences, approach,etc.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 08:06:39 AM: Quote from: SANDRO43 on April 14, 2012, 04:33:15 AM
I think so, but the clip audio is too confused to be certain - any utterance from the bar tenders is totally overwhelmed by the girl's vocal reactions. She didn't blow her nose, though ;D .

I can not comment what language bar tenders speak but I can hear a bar tender saying in Russian with an accent "I will bring you right now" . Later the bar tender asked her again in Russian "Why do you talk too much?" and she responded "I also hit on the face so much"

Staff in the resorts with many Russian tourists often speak Russian. Turkish salesmen also often speak Russian.

Quote from: SANDRO43 on April 14, 2012, 04:33:15 AM
BTW, I don't think Turkish bar tenders would have taken the abuse so meekly ::) .
"They speak Arabic whith Egyptian accent." tarikrajab 13 hours ago

:D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 10:52:24 AM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 06:33:42 AM
Different mentality: preferences, approach,etc.

That is why individuals should select partners using criteria other than money/salary and looks. People will make wrong choices, and then blame culture or national souls IMVHO!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 14, 2012, 11:12:30 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 10:52:24 AM

That is why individuals should select partners using criteria other than money/salary and looks. People will make wrong choices, and then blame culture or national souls IMVHO!

This is very true IMHO as well. I believe that the so called cultural differences and language barrier are jus that "so call". If two people are truly willing to work on their relationship these will just become learning moments and not obstacles to a healthy and loving pairing. So my answer to the OP would be yes if they want to be!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 11:20:25 AM: Well said happyandstable!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 14, 2012, 01:15:27 PM: The armbands in the video are more indicative of Egypt than Turkey. They classify the tourists as either half, full board, all inclusive and including drinks depending on the color.

Don't remember seeing such in Turkey.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Globetrotter on April 14, 2012, 01:52:44 PM: Funny Post..........."are we compatible" anyone can be compatible, with understanding, desire, and anything that goes with a loving relationship. I have dated Hindu girls in India, Jews in Israel, Muslims in Indonesia and Pakistan, Europeans, Polish girls right off the boat in my city, and many others in many countries. The trick is to find somebody who wants what you want, and I have found that women are the same anywhere in the world.

A barfly in Turkey does not typify women anywhere, so I don't see the similarity, as it only typifies her thoughts and actions.

To find someone who wants what you want and has similar actions is the trick, don't you think? But, if you are a generation apart from your girl...because you can...for a while anyway...bad things just might happen.

Me and my girl are so close and in touch with eachother, it could not be better. She has the option to come here, and has, so there is no mystery as to my family or friends, or how and where I live. Anyway, a good start and a 2 year relationship...as opposed to those who will go un-named who are one-week wonders...absolutely absured. I just think you will get out of a relaltionship...exactly what you have to put into it, and everyone is different. Just don't think that because you are from different countries, or a language or culture apart...that you can't do this, because you can, depending upon what you bring to the party. It's all about the work you put into it, what you and she have to contribute, wants and desires, and you just go from there!!!

Only my opinion,
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 02:10:54 PM: Quote from: Globetrotter on April 14, 2012, 01:52:44 PM
A barfly in Turkey does not typify women anywhere, so I don't see the similarity, as it only typifies her thoughts and actions.

Thanks God, no, she doesn't :o (but like her created an image of Russian tourists in particular places :D )
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 02:12:13 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 11:20:25 AM
Well said happyandstable!

+1
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 04:38:56 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 04:52:07 AM
Nichka asks AM only, but my opinion is- they are not compatible.

Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 06:33:42 AM
Different mentality: preferences, approach,etc.

I agree with Doll... I think AM and RW are naturally incompatible... I do believe that can be overcome with two very special individuals who have the desire deep in their souls to learn, compromise, grow, adapt, work at it, and make it work. So, I also agree with Happy, Misha, and GT...

It's all about the individuals and the attitude each has toward the relationship and each other. But again, I think AM and RW are naturally vinegar and oil right out of the bottles... 8)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 05:05:39 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
But again, I think AM and RW are naturally vinegar and oil right out of the bottles... 8)

and two together can make a perfect dressing ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 05:16:13 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
I agree with Doll... I think AM and RW are naturally incompatible... I do believe that can be overcome with two very special individuals who have the desire deep in their souls to learn, compromise, grow, adapt, work at it, and make it work. So, I also agree with Happy, Misha, and GT...

Given the divorce rates, many men and women from the same country are also not naturally compatible and the rest must also work at it.... Also given the as high or even higher divorce rates in the FSU, men and women there are also not that compatible either...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 14, 2012, 05:22:24 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 04:52:07 AM
Nichka asks AM only, but my opinion is- they are not compatible.

The are not, you are right. Different mentality, different culture, americans are individualists by nature, we russians, are collectivists, and this is just one little huge part in what we are incomparable. Plus the process of bringing us here is costly (for AM) and complicated (for both AM and RW). Buts still, still, look - AM keep trying and trying and RW keep waiting for their foreign princes on white horses. Isnt it weird? No it is not. And we all know why.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 05:30:13 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 14, 2012, 05:22:24 PM

). Buts still, still, look - AM keep trying and trying and RW keep waiting for their foreign princes on white horses. Isnt it weird? No it is not. And we all know why.
We sure do.
Am and AW are actually much more compatible.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 05:34:49 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 05:05:39 PM
and two together can make a perfect dressing ;)
After you really shake it. :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Darth_Budda on April 14, 2012, 05:49:08 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 14, 2012, 05:22:24 PM

The are not, you are right. Different mentality, different culture, americans are individualists by nature, we russians, are collectivists, and this is just one little huge part in what we are incomparable. Plus the process of bringing us here is costly (for AM) and complicated (for both AM and RW). Buts still, still, look - AM keep trying and trying and RW keep waiting for their foreign princes on white horses. Isnt it weird? No it is not. And we all know why.

What does this mean to you?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 14, 2012, 05:51:13 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 14, 2012, 05:22:24 PM

The are not, you are right. Different mentality, different culture, americans are individualists by nature, we russians, are collectivists, and this is just one little huge part in what we are incomparable. Plus the process of bringing us here is costly (for AM) and complicated (for both AM and RW). Buts still, still, look - AM keep trying and trying and RW keep waiting for their foreign princes on white horses. Isnt it weird? No it is not. And we all know why.

Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 05:34:49 PM
After you really shake it. :D

Good salt for thought.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 05:53:51 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 05:34:49 PM
After you really shake it. :D

and also add some herbs and spices... and thanks heaven we both don't mind garlic :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 06:00:21 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 05:30:13 PM
Am and AW are actually much more compatible.

I wager that a card-carrying NRA Republican strict Protstant American would have less compatibility with a Democrat, Unitarian Universalist, anti-war Occupy Wall Street protestor than many AM/RW pairings, but my American friends can correct me if I am wrong ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 06:21:56 PM: What AM need is a well written letter by someone like OlgaH that lives in the US, is happy in the US, and understands both cultures. The letter should describe the American culture in detail and the changes a RW would need to accept and adopt to integrate into American life.

I had a chat on Skype today with a guy that left the forums and I had not heard from him in about a year. He found a Russian woman in the US through a personal introduction from a Russian couple and they have been very happy together for about a year. She has integrated into the US culture and considers herself an American. She had come on her own to the US and started a successful business and is very happy to be here. She said the US is #1. She further stated that she could not possibly have accomplished her achievements had she stayed in Russia.

Perhaps if we AM can send a letter as I described, we can learn very early if the woman we are hoping to court has the desire to immigrate. It might save a lot of time and money to see if she has a desire to make the necessary changes for cultural compatibility.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Globetrotter on April 14, 2012, 06:49:27 PM: I still believe it actually depends on what you each "bring to the party, and what you want". Just imagine our middle aged poster married to the 19 year old...and imagine his chances for success...as he is pissing up a rope, and he must know this or is as stupid as imaginable. Anyway, everyone is different. It only depends on the individuals involved!!!

I actually think that everyone here knows what they have to offer, and if they can "own up" to this fact, they will be able to determine how they may fare!

Sure, everyone is different, and being from a different country and culture would accentuate this fact. Also, people chanee, emotions change, finances change...no different over there than they change here.

I just don't think cultures or languages make the differences, but I do think that really unrealistic expectations do, and can cause devestation!

So, just ask yourself if you are in "dreamland" or are of a mindset to do the work necessary for what you have embarked upon, which is not easy....also not easy if you were to marry a girl from your own culture and country!!!

Anyway, you all know best.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 06:57:11 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 06:00:21 PM

I wager that a card-carrying NRA Republican strict Protstant American would have less compatibility with a Democrat, Unitarian Universalist, anti-war Occupy Wall Street protestor than many AM/RW pairings, but my American friends can correct me if I am wrong ;)
(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/data:image/jpeg;base64,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(http://kwaminyamidie.com/blog3/James%20Carville%20Mary%20Matalin%20and%20daughters%20in%20their%20home.jpg)

But she is Catholic, I believe.
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Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 07:07:03 PM: Quote
The letter should describe the American culture in detail and the changes a RW would need to accept and adopt to integrate into American life.

You're assuming the U.S. has one culture. I don't think it does. Plus, there is lots of information on Russian language sites/forums.

I don't think there is a homogenous reaction to emigration. My husband, for example, never missed Ukraine, has no desire to even visit and would not were it not for my "encouragement" (which is really about his elderly mother, not the country), and never missed the language or anything else. Now, he does go to the Russian store, but mostly for the kids (to buy drinks and unique sweets), and for the incomparable Ukrainian sunflower oil, but he didn't have this option for a decade, and didn't miss it. We know other immigrants who need to have contact with the community, need the language, and "need" those things from "home". So, I don't think that would be beneficial. It must be lived, I think, to be understood.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 07:10:52 PM: Men and women from any place on the planet are incompatible, Unless they want to be. IMHO ;)
But don't forget the biologic need to mate for the survival of the species.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 14, 2012, 07:23:16 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 06:21:56 PM
What AM need is a well written letter by someone like OlgaH that lives in the US, is happy in the US, and understands both cultures. The letter should describe the American culture in detail and the changes a RW would need to accept and adopt to integrate into American life.

American culture in detail? Hmmm.. That would merit a Nobel prize. As far as changes goes - RW does not need to accept anything that she does not want to accept. She does not have to integrate anywhere either, but into her own family, the one she herself is going to build.So I do not see a problem here.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 07:29:52 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 06:57:11 PM
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(http://kwaminyamidie.com/blog3/James%20Carville%20Mary%20Matalin%20and%20daughters%20in%20their%20home.jpg)

But she is Catholic, I believe.
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He is familiar, but I can't place him ???
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 07:34:17 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 14, 2012, 07:23:16 PM

American culture in detail? Hmmm.. That would merit a Nobel prize. As far as changes goes - RW does not need to accept anything that she does not want to accept. She does not have to integrate anywhere either, but into her own family, the one she herself is going to build.So I do not see a problem here.
I disagree, any one that moves to another country has to many degrees intigrate into that culture.
I do agree like Russia or china, the US is a large country, and made up of many regions, which could be likened to a few small country's, to whit the south west US is very differant from the north east US, actually about 5-6 country's I think, each with its own culture, unique issues.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 07:42:32 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 14, 2012, 07:23:16 PM

American culture in detail? Hmmm.. That would merit a Nobel prize. As far as changes goes - RW does not need to accept anything that she does not want to accept. She does not have to integrate anywhere either, but into her own family, the one she herself is going to build.So I do not see a problem here.

LoL... How individualist! Ah well, so much for that collectivism theory.. :P
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 07:52:23 PM: Donna_Pedro
Of course you do not see the problem! There may be many AM that might like to eliminate women with your attitude early on and instead seek a wife that wants to integrate into society like everyone else. You can live in isolation with your Russian culture if you like, but most men I know want a wife that becomes integrated with American culture, as many do.

Different strokes for different folks! We read of so many trainwrecks where the cultural differences are not realized until late in the realationships. A clear understanding between the parties as to cultural differences and who is going to change (if either), can eliminate compatibility issues early on.

Boethius,
I am sure there are references about American culture on the internet. It certainly is not apparent that many women do the research based upon the letters and conversations with them.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 07:56:47 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 07:34:17 PM
I disagree, any one that moves to another country has to many degrees intigrate into that culture.
I do agree like Russia or china, the US is a large country, and made up of many regions, which could be likened to a few small country's, to whit the south west US is very differant from the north east US, actually about 5-6 country's I think, each with its own culture, unique issues.
Easy! We don't have to do anything like "integrating to many degrees". Same with our husbands- they do no have to "integrate to many degress" meaning russifying (not sure if there is such a word, but still..))))))
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 07:58:54 PM: Misha

He is familiar, but I can't place him ???
It is one of Boethius's heros. ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:01:06 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 07:52:23 PM
but most men I know want a wife that becomes integrated with American culture, as many do.

I am sure they want :D Then they both have to agree on it before she is here.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:03:37 PM: Speaking of integration. Am I the only one who sees "Spanish option" in any bank or hospital? :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 08:04:55 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 07:58:54 PM
Misha

He is familiar, but I can't place him ???
It is one of Boethius's heros. ;D

I need a better hint ;) For some reason the name Carvey comes to mind, but that can't be right...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 08:06:20 PM: I am sure they want Then they both have to agree on it before she is here.

Exactly my point! There are many resouces including the e-book on this site that describes the FSU culture. What I was suggesting something similar that describes American culture from the eyes of a RW that knows both cultures and lives in the US from personal experience. It would allow the parties to discuss the topic from something prepared in advance rather than every man trying to descibe the culture from only an American persective.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: JohnDearGreen on April 14, 2012, 08:07:46 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 08:04:55 PM

I need a better hint ;)
The image URL is a big hint.
http://kwaminyamidie.com/blog3/James%20Carville%20Mary%20Matalin%20and%20daughters%20in%20their%20home.jpg
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 08:11:16 PM: I need a better hint For some reason the name Carvey comes to mind, but that can't be right...

Misha, you are too funny. Boethius put the photo up to make the rest of us sick to our stomach.
She succeeded! ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 08:12:11 PM: I didn't see the URL until you posted it John :(
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 08:12:28 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 07:52:23 PM

Boethius,
I am sure there are references about American culture on the internet. It certainly is not apparent that many women do the research based upon the letters and conversations with them.

I personally think America is too young to have much of its own culture. We're a hodge podge with too many identities to collectively relate to anything in particular. American Soul would be something like ... Christian Rabbinical Taoist Muslim Bullwinkleist agnostics with a hankering for Freedom, Beer, Bloodshed, Santa and Guns! Not necessarily in that order.

But you're right about many of them having fairly bizarre thoughts about the USofA...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:12:45 PM: calmissile, if AM take time and read Russian women forum, that will be the best source for it. There are Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian women there ( and all the other parts of FSU as well).
They share everything sincerely.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Darth_Budda on April 14, 2012, 08:13:49 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 07:34:17 PM
I disagree, any one that moves to another country has to many degrees intigrate into that culture.
I do agree like Russia or china, the US is a large country, and made up of many regions, which could be likened to a few small country's, to whit the south west US is very differant from the north east US, actually about 5-6 country's I think, each with its own culture, unique issues.

Even in our culture their are people who don't fit the "main stream mold."

For example I am a pro-gun - Pro-Choice - Socialist - Anti Radical feminist - Pro OWS
who supports Nuclear power and small business.

Man I just don't fit in.... >:(

But on the plus side My Marx reading does not scare away the UW I am talking to...
But should it? :-[
The fact that I own guns seems to bother her more.
Whats seems most important to her is my view on family life and my close ties with my parents/family.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 08:14:29 PM: Quote
He is familiar, but I can't place him ???

James Carville. He ran Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign. He met his wife, Mary Matalin shortly before that time. She was running George H.W. Bush's campaign.

Cal, I like them both, though neither are my heroes. Carville's politics are probably closer to mine.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 08:16:01 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
James Carville. He ran Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign. He met his wife, Mary Matalin at that time. She was running George H.W. Bush's campaign.

Still not at the extremes of either parties from what I am gleaning :x
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:16:16 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 08:12:28 PM

I personally think America is too young to have much of its own culture. We're a hodge podge with too many identities to collectively relate to anything in particular. American Soul would be something like ... Christian Rabbinical Taoist Muslim Bullwinkleist agnostics with a hankering for Freedom, Beer, Bloodshed, Santa and Guns! Not necessarily in that order.

But you're right about many of them having fairly bizarre thoughts about the USofA...
There are many typical American patterns in how people here act and think (regardless the "country of origin")
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 08:17:53 PM: Quote
Still not at the extremes of either parties from what I am gleaning :x

Their political views are polar opposites. They often appear together on political news shows.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 08:28:05 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:16:16 PM
There are many typical American patterns in how people here act and think (regardless the "country of origin")

ah HA! So you finally admit you have adopted some typical American patterns!!! ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 08:32:51 PM: Partial integration? ;)
It is what is so nice about the USA, only a little work to intigrate is needed.
We do value the individualistic ideal.
ha buy a gun, have one sip of the local brew and your in like Flynn. ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:36:32 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 08:28:05 PM

ah HA! So you finally admit you have adopted some typical American patterns!!! ;D
Оспидяяяяяяяя!
We all adopt, but we don't have to do it because "American husbands" want it.
Dave, I actually mean that people who were born here have certain typical patterns in behavior, that are very foreign for those who come here. We are talking of RW-immigrants.
Like I said before, my husband now and then like to say that I "married in" (the culture). I answer that I "married him" but not "married in".
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:38:55 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 08:32:51 PM
Partial integration? ;)
It is what is so nice about the USA, only a little work to intigrate is needed.
. ;D
This is what YOU think. You need to try to be in our shoes.
I've been living here for more than 10 years, but there are things I will never accept.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 08:41:07 PM: But hey each to their own, even here in my little city, I can visit many little places in the world, about 5 min. by car.

Doll, what do you do, Hang in the Russian enclave?
That is OK by me, already seeing I really do not accept you, but it's all good.
What ever rolls your sock down.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:44:24 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
Doll, what do you do, Hang in the Russian enclave?

Б-гг :D
You asked a question and you answered it yourself. Typical American thing BTW. :clapping:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 14, 2012, 08:47:30 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
Оспидяяяяяяяя!

Is that pronounced ospidyaaaaaaaa? or ospidyayayayayayaya? 8)

Quote
We all adopt, but we don't have to do it because "American husbands" want it.
Dave, I actually mean that people who were born here have certain typical patterns in behavior, that are very foreign for those who come here. We are talking of RW-immigrants.
Like I said before, my husband now and then like to say that I "married in" (the culture). I answer that I "married him" but not "married in".

I understand.

Doll, I really do agree with you that AM and RW are incompatible. At least a gazillion times with RW I thought "WHAT is WRONG with you????" Okay, that's exaggerated. Realistically only a third of a gazillion. With AW, that only happened about a quarter of a gazillion.

And there's a difference right there.. I actually did think that ... and also *heard* it... :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 08:49:59 PM: Doll, it would be intresting to read what you find unacceptable.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:54:41 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 08:49:59 PM
Doll, it would be intresting to read what you find unacceptable.
I would say something if you were not rude. You were.
(see?????? :D )
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 08:56:08 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Their political views are polar opposites. They often appear together on political news shows.

Both are compatible enough to mutually promote each other's career >:D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 09:03:18 PM: I think that is an unfair judgment. They have been together over two decades. Their relationship is obviously about more than their political beliefs or their careers.

The original point was merely that Americans with diametrically opposed political beliefs can be happily married.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 09:06:37 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 08:54:41 PM
I would say something if you were not rude. You were.
(see?????? :D )

Doll I would apology's, but not aware of my rudeness, it was unintentional, I do tend to be blunt and out spoken, and few get my humor.
But please do inform us of the parts you find unacceptable.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 14, 2012, 09:11:40 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 09:06:37 PM
Doll I would apology's, but not aware of my rudeness, it was unintentional, I do tend to be blunt and out spoken, and few get my humor.
But please do inform us of the parts you find unacceptable.
You just do not know Russians! :crackwhip:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 09:13:59 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 07:07:03 PM

I don't think there is a homogenous reaction to emigration...

It must be lived, I think, to be understood.

I agree, Boethius, it is a very individual process. I also can understand your husband. I have people in Russia I love, but if you take them from Russia there will not be any reason for me to go back. Second time when I went to Russia my friends asked me when we were walking along the street "Olga, what are you smiling at?" :o :D I like how strangers passing by in the US say "hi" to each other and throw out of blue "I like your dress!". I also like that I don't have to prove that I'm not "a camel" when I return or exchange some goods. :D

I have not had any problem during my adjustment in the US, but honestly, now I have a problem when I arrive to our Russian airports... I miss smiles, cleanness...

Time to time I cook borsch, pelmeni, Russian blini, cutlets. Maybe once in two-three months... or four-six ::) :D , Robert loves some Russian cuisine but we both don't have daily craving for it. For Easter we had fettuccine and mussels.

There were occurrences when some strangers started to talk to me in French or Spanish, it was interesting.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 09:33:52 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 14, 2012, 09:11:40 PM
You just do not know Russians! :crackwhip:

Yes, of course.
I only live with one, you would not like her, she worked hard to intigrate here, but not to please any one but herself, she minces no words, just much nicer then me by 100 fold, better educated also, takes most folk a few days to know they have been insulted by her, when she chooses to do so.
Very rarely thank god, she is so classy and such a sweet heart.
But still would be intrested to read your opinion on the unacceptable, if you choose to share it of course.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 09:35:48 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 09:03:18 PM
I think that is an unfair judgment. They have been together over two decades. Their relationship is obviously about more than their political beliefs or their careers.

The original point was merely that Americans with diametrically opposed political beliefs can be happily married.

As usual, Beothius, you are soooooo literal. The point that I was trying to make was that two Americans could be more incompatible than an AM and a RW :rolleyes: Let's see, the hypothetical example I specified was a "Democrat, Unitarian Universalist, anti-war Occupy Wall Street protestor" Carville may be a Democrat, but based on the little that I know, he does not fit the latter. I am not sure whether his wife is a card carrying member of the NRA and she does not seem to be a strict Protestant American either.

I, for one, do not believe that compatibility is determined solely by nationality and ethnicity, no matter how poetic the concept of the national soul may be. I will cite the case of Blues Fairy. She hasn't posted here in a while, but she is pretty much the polar opposite of the "character" that Doll is trying to depict as central to being Russian.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: pitbull on April 14, 2012, 09:39:55 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 08:06:20 PM
I am sure they want Then they both have to agree on it before she is here.

Exactly my point! There are many resouces including the e-book on this site that describes the FSU culture. What I was suggesting something similar that describes American culture from the eyes of a RW that knows both cultures and lives in the US from personal experience. It would allow the parties to discuss the topic from something prepared in advance rather than every man trying to descibe the culture from only an American persective.
This might make a disservice to many RW.
The best thing about the US is that there are so many segments, and subcultures that one can choose and associate with.
For example a woman marrying a conservative, religious middle-aged gun owner and truck driver from a small town in Texas, who is convinced everything American is the best and never went to college, will experience a very different culture than the one marrying an East Coast college professor.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: newjason on April 14, 2012, 09:40:09 PM: Personally I find myself more compatible with FSU immigrants than I do with most Americans.
Most of my Friends are from the FSU.
My 2 Longest relationships were with FSU women for a total of 12 years.
Keep in mind that I met these fine FSU people locally and they had already immigrated.

Alot of this had to do with the fact that I took a genuine interest in their FSU culture and I put fourth the effort to learn to speak Russian on my own, so that I could "fit in" with the FSU social groups.
Once they saw that I was eager and making an effort, they were happy to teach me all I wanted to learn and that alone has given me some life long friends. It has also given us all a better understanding that we are really not so different after all.

BTW , Where is the OP?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 09:44:53 PM: Quote from: pitbull on April 14, 2012, 09:39:55 PM

The best thing about the US is that there are so many segments, and subcultures that one can choose and associate with.

+1
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 14, 2012, 09:47:04 PM: Quote from: pitbull on April 14, 2012, 09:39:55 PM
This might make a disservice to many RW.
The best thing about the US is that there are so many segments, and subcultures that one can choose and associate with.

+1 Additionally, there is no unified Russian culture either as there are many Russian subcultures as well.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: newjason on April 14, 2012, 09:50:25 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 09:47:04 PM

+1 Additionally, there is no unified Russian culture either as there are many Russian subcultures as well.

+2
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 10:02:29 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 09:35:48 PM

As usual, Beothius, you are soooooo literal. The point that I was trying to make was that two Americans could be more incompatible than an AM and a RW :rolleyes: Let's see, the hypothetical example I specified was a "Democrat, Unitarian Universalist, anti-war Occupy Wall Street protestor" Carville may be a Democrat, but based on the little that I know, he does not fit the latter. I am not sure whether his wife is a card carrying member of the NRA and she does not seem to be a strict Protestant American either.

I, for one, do not believe that compatibility is determined solely by nationality and ethnicity, no matter how poetic the concept of the national soul may be. I will cite the case of Blues Fairy. She hasn't posted here in a while, but she is pretty much the polar opposite of the "character" that Doll is trying to depict as central to being Russian.

Then use a more valid example.

I can only respond to words on a screen, and I responded to the example you posted. I don't happen to believe those are of importance to a successful relationship, and the example I noted is evidence thereof.

I don't happen to believe compatibility is based on nationality or ethnicity either. It is more about core values.

BTW, Matlin is an NRA supporter, and, as I noted in my first riposte, she is Catholic.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: pitbull on April 14, 2012, 10:05:35 PM: Quote from: pitbull on April 14, 2012, 09:39:55 PM
This might make a disservice to many RW.
The best thing about the US is that there are so many segments, and subcultures that one can choose and associate with.
For example a woman marrying a conservative, religious middle-aged gun owner and truck driver from a small town in Texas, who is convinced everything American is the best and never went to college, will experience a very different culture than the one marrying an East Coast college professor.
Also, just to add more from my personal experience and that of my RW girlfriends in the US. I feel that there are two major factors that come into play in compatibility within relationships, international or otherwise: sharing a common language and a social-educational background.
Due to the nature of my job and the city I live in, I've met a lot of very educated people who speak English well. I can tell you that I have much more in common with and can find many more suitable mates among PhDs from almost any culture, than (for example) high-school educated construction workers from my own country of origin.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 10:06:09 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 09:47:04 PM

+1 Additionally, there is no unified Russian culture either as there are many Russian subcultures as well.

Misha, I think "Russian Federation culture" would be more correct than just Russian :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 10:12:25 PM: Quote
I feel that there are two major factors that come into play in compatibility within relationships, international or otherwise: sharing a common language and a social-educational background.

I think it is more basic than that. I think it is about core values.

My husband and I share core values. We share a common language, but not a common social-educational background. I, on paper, am more "educated", though he is far more learned. He comes from a different societal background as well.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 14, 2012, 10:30:28 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 09:44:53 PM
+1
Out of many, one. ;)
+10
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 14, 2012, 10:33:11 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 10:12:25 PM

I think it is more basic than that. I think it is about core values.

My husband and I share core values. We share a common language, but not a common social-educational background. I, on paper, am more "educated", though he is far more learned. He comes from a different societal background as well.
And what is at the core?
The differences can make life more interesting.

Are RM compatible with AW?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 14, 2012, 10:42:00 PM: Boethius

I think it is more basic than that. I think it is about core values.

My husband and I share core values. We share a common language, but not a common social-educational background. I, on paper, am more "educated", though he is far more learned. He comes from a different societal background as well.

+1 I admire your wide understanding on this issue.

Pitbull,
Of the many Phd's that worked for me, at least 80% were just like the rest of the engineers. You would not even know they held Phd's. I think there were only two exceptions that insisted on everyone addressing them as Doctor. They were the two that walked around with their nose in the air and made it clear that they do not associate with the unwashed. Guess which set of men and women Phd's had the most respect from the workforce at large.

And BTW, some of them liked NASCAR, owned guns, drank beer, and went to church!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 15, 2012, 12:09:33 AM: Quote from: Boethius on April 14, 2012, 10:12:25 PM

I think it is more basic than that. I think it is about core values.

My husband and I share core values. We share a common language, but not a common social-educational background. I, on paper, am more "educated", though he is far more learned. He comes from a different societal background as well.

I tend to agree with both you and Pitbull. I think that people which have a very similar background and education will tend to share similar core values - understandable as our environment dictates much of the way we think, although there are always exceptions that buck the trend of course.

I flicked past a BBC report about modern India and arranged marriages yesterday which made me think a bit and I just looked up some statistics; it's quite surprising that even today, arranged marriages are an overwhelming majority of marriages there. The number of married women between 24 and 40 is over 90% and the divorce rate is ridiculously low at around 1%.

Now, there seem to be many very happy couples (my wife has even met a few quite young immigrants that were recently married this way and they were extremely happy). The process of matching these couples seems little more involved than what a dating site will do. However, the criteria tends to be very strict with regards to caste, culture and religion among other things - similar socio-economic-educational background in other words.

Okay, I fully understand that there are other important factors involved in that low divorce rate including social/religious pressures, but still...

[edit] My wife points out that in India they have incredibly strong and extremely close family ties, and this strong support network can help the marriage to overcome problems. She mentions that the immigrants she met find this lack of constant family interaction one of the strangest and more difficult things here. [/edit]

And here's something interesting from the Australian institute of family studies (whoda thunk it ay cobber) that, from my brief perusal, seems to indicate that long term marriages last, essentially because of shared goals, core values and complimentary communication and problem resolution skills. Oh, and because they like each other. ;) http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/parker2.html (http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/parker2.html)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: newjason on April 15, 2012, 12:17:49 AM: Quote from: Kokopelli on April 14, 2012, 10:33:11 PM

Are RM compatible with AW?

LOL

That's one new thread that will be very interesting to read for sure.

If they are, may god have mercy on their souls.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 01:30:35 AM: Quote from: Kokopelli on April 14, 2012, 10:33:11 PM
And what is at the core?
The differences can make life more interesting.

Are RM compatible with AW?

The "core" is probably different for different couples, because different people have different values. For me, the core was attitude toward family, raising a family, and God.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 01:35:48 AM: Quote
Now, there seem to be many very happy couples (my wife has even met a few quite young immigrants that were recently married this way and they were extremely happy). The process of matching these couples seems little more involved than what a dating site will do. However, the criteria tends to be very strict with regards to caste, culture and religion among other things - similar socio-economic-educational background in other words.

I knew a guy whose family was from India, he was a colleague of my sister's. He dated a lot of women, mostly unhappily. When he hit his mid-ish thirties, he finally succumbed to family pressure and asked his parents to find a suitable marriage candidate. He did not ask for a bride, he wasn't ready to relinquish that control. But, his parents had been nagging him for a decade, and he had never before agreed to meet a woman they'd arranged.

The woman they arranged for him to meet, like him, was a Muslim professional, in her early thirties. They married within a few months, and now have been happily married over a decade.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Belvis on April 15, 2012, 01:48:58 AM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 09:13:59 PM
I also can understand your husband. I have people in Russia I love, but if you take them from Russia there will not be any reason for me to go back. ...
now I have a problem when I arrive to our Russian airports... I miss smiles, cleanness...
When I was in USA I observed this attitude in RW compatible with AM. Incompatible ones would feel :
Родина, еду я на Родину,
Пусть кричат - уродина,
А она нам нравится,
Хоть и не красавица.
(words from a song, Yu. Schevchuk)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 03:49:18 AM: I am going to make this easy so even a PhD can understand. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0188.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-happy.html)
Compatibility is base upon the parties involved, and the capacity of their hearts (to love and accept) and the openness of their minds (to learn and understand).
(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/love0079.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-love.html)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:37:59 AM: Quote from: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 01:30:35 AM

The "core" is probably different for different couples, because different people have different values. For me, the core was attitude toward family, raising a family, and God.

My husband is from Kyiv, he speaks Ukrainian fluently, but he is mostly not an ethnic Ukrainian. I am Canadian. In our case, we met over 30 years ago and have been married more than 28 (when it was not very easy for a Soviet to marry a foreigner). So, I think we are compatible.

Well, just for the record.. you are also from Ukrainian diaspora, raised with Ukrainian traditions in a Ukrainian family environment. I am not insinuating that *that* is why you and your husband are compatible, but I think it does make a difference as you have a foundation of of natural understanding upon which the seeds your chemistry, goals, interests, compatible values, etc can take root and begin to flourish.

This natural understanding eludes most in this for a while (speaking/writing about sincere guys/gals who seek more than the youngest, hottest babe or the best financial situation). It takes time to get a handle on that understanding and sometimes very serious misunderstanding can and do take place in the interim. In many situations the patience runs out before understanding takes hold, or, ~~stubborn ignorant~~ people refuse to acknowledge that there *are* differences in the mating game, family definitions, etc., there *are* challenges on the path which must be navigated together. Yeah, true with any relationship but the cross-cultural aspect obviously adds another dimension with a new set of challenges which are, quite literally, foreign to us in relationships.

Misha is also an aberration - by living in Russia for quite a while, adapting to that environment, learning to speak the language fluently, etc., etc. and even he has written about "hell" a few times concerning their challenges.

Perhaps "incompatible" is not exactly the best word for AM/RW, but perhaps "naturally aimed in different directions with expectations" or something similar. Those expectations are where the problems arise, and understanding finally manifests when expectations are reoriented (or blown apart and rebuilt from scratch).
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:43:17 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 03:49:18 AM
I am going to make this easy so even a PhD can understand. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0188.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-happy.html)
Compatibility is base upon the parties involved, and the capacity of their hearts (to love and accept) and the openness of their minds (to learn and understand).
(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/love0079.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-love.html)

Well, you just ruled out Russian Ladies! (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0188.gif)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 04:43:29 AM: Quote from: pitbull on April 14, 2012, 10:05:35 PM
Also, just to add more from my personal experience and that of my RW girlfriends in the US. I feel that there are two major factors that come into play in compatibility within relationships, international or otherwise: sharing a common language and a social-educational background.
Due to the nature of my job and the city I live in, I've met a lot of very educated people who speak English well. I can tell you that I have much more in common with and can find many more suitable mates among PhDs from almost any culture, than (for example) high-school educated construction workers from my own country of origin.

In most subcultures in America, you would be considered a snob and rightfully so. ;D

There's nothing inherently wrong for selecting with whom you choose to associate but, to discount mates or acquaintances based on the lack of a PHD is the epitome of snobbish. You'd likely be quite surprised that many with whom you'd discount, would not choose to associate with you, :o not because you have a PhD but because you are a snob
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 15, 2012, 05:01:07 AM: Quote from: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 04:43:29 AM
In most subcultures in America, you would be considered a snob and rightfully so. ;D

There's nothing inherently wrong for selecting with whom you choose to associate but, to discount mates or acquaintances based on the lack of a PHD is the epitome of snobbish. You'd likely be quite surprised that many with whom you'd discount, would not choose to associate with you, :o not because you have a PhD but because you are a snob

My wife and I have recently got into a British series called "Come Dine with me" which we usually watch after we've had dinner funnily enough. Anyway, they have variations of this in most countries so I guess you've seen or heard of it.

The British version seems to go out of its way to throw together people of really disparate and eclectic backgrounds; watching this, it's really not surprising that uneducated labourer types (or a particularly ignorant butcher as it was last night) don't get on well with more educated or well read people. I'm not for a minute saying that all manual labourers are unread, ignorant uncouth louts, but, if I were to have to bet on it, it would be far more likely than, for instance, someone educated to degree level and even less likely than someone with a PhD. Then again, sometimes it's surprising how well some people from extremely different backgrounds hit it off, but these tend to be the exceptions.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:32:30 AM: Quote from: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 04:43:29 AM
In most subcultures in America, you would be considered a snob and rightfully so. ;D

There's nothing inherently wrong for selecting with whom you choose to associate but, to discount mates or acquaintances based on the lack of a PHD is the epitome of snobbish. You'd likely be quite surprised that many with whom you'd discount, would not choose to associate with you, :o not because you have a PhD but because you are a snob
You will be surprised, but I do like people and treat them all well (in real life), no matter what their background is. Actually, far more people would like to associate with me than I have time and energy for. I don't take stupidity and hypocrisy very well though ;)
However, a very high IQ and a high educational degree has been my #1 criteria in my search for a mate, simply because I've found out I'm most compatible with this kind of people in the the long run. Very high IQ and PhD doesn't make those people any better human beings though (I got in a heated discussion with a college professor last year, who was convinced that somehow higher education instills good morals. I don't believe it does, morality is a function of personality. Just like being a believer doesn't make one more moral than an atheist for example). But I digress. Preference for high IQ in a mate is not better or worse than a height or boob size or weight preference that most men here admit to having ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:34:57 AM: Quote from: Ade on April 15, 2012, 05:01:07 AM

My wife and I have recently got into a British series called "Come Dine with me" which we usually watch after we've had dinner funnily enough. Anyway, they have variations of this in most countries so I guess you've seen or heard of it.

The British version seems to go out of its way to throw together people of really disparate and eclectic backgrounds; watching this, it's really not surprising that uneducated labourer types (or a particularly ignorant butcher as it was last night) don't get on well with more educated or well read people. I'm not for a minute saying that all manual labourers are unread, ignorant uncouth louts, but, if I were to have to bet on it, it would be far more likely than, for instance, someone educated to degree level and even less likely than someone with a PhD. Then again, sometimes it's surprising how well some people from extremely different backgrounds hit it off, but these tend to be the exceptions.
Agree... we are talkig about statistcally significant chances to find a compatible mate within similar social-educational segment of a society, o foreign one or your own ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Darth_Budda on April 15, 2012, 05:35:57 AM: Quote from: Ade on April 15, 2012, 05:01:07 AM
it's really not surprising that uneducated labourer types don't get on well with more educated or well read people. I'm not for a minute saying that all manual labourers are unread, ignorant uncouth louts, but, if I were to have to bet on it, it would be far more likely than, for instance, someone educated to degree level and even less likely than someone with a PhD. Then again, sometimes it's surprising how well some people from extremely different backgrounds hit it off, but these tend to be the exceptions.

As a uneducated construction laborer thanks for not placing us all in one group...

I don't consider my self a ignorant uncouth lout. But its hard to make these determinations looking in the mirror... :o

For all i know i am all of the above... ::)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 05:37:35 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:43:17 AM

Well, you just ruled out Russian Ladies! (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0188.gif)

The problem with vast generalizations is there is more exceptions to the rule then there are examples to prove it. People are far more complex then any over simplified view can paint them. You may say that my comments rules out Russian women but that has not been my experience. Although your experiences may vary, that does not preclude all the good FSUW's out there from being the person they choose to be!(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/yolks-messengers/blush(or-fake-smile).gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 05:39:08 AM: Quote from: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:32:30 AM
You will be surprised, but I do like people and treat them all well (in real life), no matter what their background is. Actually, far more people would like to associate with me than I have time and energy for. I don't take stupidity and hypocrisy very well though ;)
However, a very high IQ and a high educational degree has been my #1 criteria in my search for a mate, simply because I've found out I'm most compatible with this kind of people in the the long run. Very high IQ and PhD doesn't make those people any better human beings though (I got in a heated discussion with a college professor last year, who was convinced that somehow higher education instills good morals. I don't believe it does, morality is a function of personality. Just like being a believer doesn't make one more moral than an atheist for example). But I digress. Preference for high IQ in a mate is not better or worse than a height or boob size or weight preference that most men here admit to having ;D

Well said pitbull
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 05:48:19 AM: Quote from: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:32:30 AM
You will be surprised, but I do like people and treat them all well (in real life), no matter what their background is. Actually, far more people would like to associate with me than I have time and energy for. I don't take stupidity and hypocrisy very well though ;)
However, a very high IQ and a high educational degree has been my #1 criteria in my search for a mate, simply because I've found out I'm most compatible with this kind of people in the the long run. Very high IQ and PhD doesn't make those people any better human beings though (I got in a heated discussion with a college professor last year, who was convinced that somehow higher education instills good morals. I don't believe it does, morality is a function of personality. Just like being a believer doesn't make one more moral than an atheist for example). But I digress. Preference for high IQ in a mate is not better or worse than a height or boob size or weight preference that most men here admit to having ;D

I agree with this for the most part...
I had the same criterion of "intelligence" when searching for a mate. But I think you are overlooking the obvious 800lb gorilla in your assertion...

HighIQ or "equal intelligence" represents one (e)quality of compatibility..

PhD represents your stereotypical RW desire for sheer status, baby.. status.. ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:53:25 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 05:48:19 AM

PhD represents your stereotypical RW desire for sheer status, baby.. status.. ;D
Whatever rocks your boat. It's okay to feed your little pet peeve off of my posts, I like you ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 05:54:18 AM: Quote from: Ade on April 15, 2012, 05:01:07 AM

My wife and I have recently got into a British series called "Come Dine with me" which we usually watch after we've had dinner funnily enough. Anyway, they have variations of this in most countries so I guess you've seen or heard of it.

The British version seems to go out of its way to throw together people of really disparate and eclectic backgrounds; watching this, it's really not surprising that uneducated labourer types (or a particularly ignorant butcher as it was last night) don't get on well with more educated or well read people. I'm not for a minute saying that all manual labourers are unread, ignorant uncouth louts, but, if I were to have to bet on it, it would be far more likely than, for instance, someone educated to degree level and even less likely than someone with a PhD. Then again, sometimes it's surprising how well some people from extremely different backgrounds hit it off, but these tend to be the exceptions.

Not really, my reality TV entertainment is limited but, I do get the jest of it. My guess is that those particular people were assembled together for that specific effect and hardly representative of dinner mates others would likely choose for themselves, no?

My point was more that if a PhD was what it took to live a full, rich life, we'd probably all have one. Education level isn't a pedigree, it's an education which isn't necessarily available to all and should be left to applications.

People tend to gravitate to those with whom they share like life experiences. Nothing wrong with that but, to use formal education level as a qualifier with whom they share their life is quite snobbish. Not all Butchers are ignorant and not all PhDs are intelligent. I personally have had stimulating intelligent conversations and relationships with both. Educated snobs are as undesirable as company as the loudmouthed uneducated rednecks.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 05:56:40 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 05:37:35 AM
The problem with vast generalizations is there is more exceptions to the rule then there are examples to prove it. People are far more complex then any over simplified view can paint them. You may say that my comments rules out Russian women but that has not been my experience. Although your experiences may vary, that does not preclude all the good FSUW's out there from being the person they choose to be!(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/yolks-messengers/blush(or-fake-smile).gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/)

There are reasons for stereotypes... ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 05:58:29 AM: Quote from: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:53:25 AM
Whatever rocks your boat. It's okay to feed your little pet peeve off of my posts, I like you ;D

Not a pet peeve at all. I have simply shed my Romantic Idealist ways and have accepted life on its terms rather than my own... :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Darth_Budda on April 15, 2012, 06:08:14 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 05:48:19 AM

HighIQ or "equal intelligence" represents one (e)quality of compatibility..

High IQ from my understanding only measures the amount of information a person can adsorb at one time.

Example: a person with a low IQ looks at a picture and see's the picture, colors on the wall.
A person with a high IQ looks at the same picture and looks past the colors on the wall and may see
the concept/feeling that the painter was trying to promote or share.
It is one thing to read a book it is another to understand and feel it, type of thing.

http://mental-health.families.com/blog/what-does-iq-really-mean

It is rather a poor indicator of true intelligence.

I only score around 120... But I have done some rather unintelligent things in my life.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 06:10:03 AM: Quote from: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:32:30 AM
You will be surprised, but I do like people and treat them all well (in real life), no matter what their background is. Actually, far more people would like to associate with me than I have time and energy for. I don't take stupidity and hypocrisy very well though ;)
However, a very high IQ and a high educational degree has been my #1 criteria in my search for a mate, simply because I've found out I'm most compatible with this kind of people in the the long run. Very high IQ and PhD doesn't make those people any better human beings though (I got in a heated discussion with a college professor last year, who was convinced that somehow higher education instills good morals. I don't believe it does, morality is a function of personality. Just like being a believer doesn't make one more moral than an atheist for example). But I digress. Preference for high IQ in a mate is not better or worse than a height or boob size or weight preference that most men here admit to having ;D

That's good to hear and you're right, I would be surprised based on your earlier post. :D The heart wants, what the heart wants. I don't fault anyone for that. Whatever gets your motor running is okay by me. IMHO, discounting any relationship rather platonic, friendship or romantic based on education level, means one cannot see the forest for the trees. I tend to chose relationships with people who interest me and sometimes I let them choose me.

Thankfully, my over educated wife shares my sentiment here. Hopefully she will continue to ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 06:23:35 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 05:48:19 AM

HighIQ or "equal intelligence" represents one (e)quality of compatibility..

PhD represents your stereotypical RW desire for sheer status, baby.. status.. ;D
Now that we've covered IQ, lets get to PhD and status
If I desired status I wouldn't have married my better half. ;) Seriously, to me a PhD means that most likely a person possesses certain qualities of the mind, such as mental discipline, analytical skills, systematic approach, being able to probe and question information from different sides, and understanding of a scientific method. Of course goals compatibility and personality are crucial as well, I've seen my share of incredibly snobbish and rude PhDs.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 06:25:14 AM: Quote from: Belvis on April 15, 2012, 01:48:58 AM
When I was in USA I observed this attitude in RW compatible with AM. Incompatible ones would feel :
Родина, еду я на Родину,
Пусть кричат - уродина,
А она нам нравится,
Хоть и не красавица.
(words from a song, Yu. Schevchuk)

I just can not understand why some of them need to feel it climbing on the toilet bowls with their feet :-\ "... Следовательно, разруха не в клозетах, а в головах" ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:28:25 AM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 14, 2012, 10:06:09 PM
Misha, I think "Russian Federation culture" would be more correct than just Russian :D

Very true, as the Reindeer-herding Evenk of northern Russia would have little in common with the daughter of some oligarch in Moscow. But even within the ethnic Russian culture there would be many subcultures and even within the ethnic Russians of one city or even one village there would not be a homogeneous culture either,,,
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 06:31:00 AM: Ольга, мое мнение: дешево это- в угоду мeстным хлопцам так рьяно хаять свою страну (где родилась и выросла). Хорош, серьезно.
Вы не перестанете, я понимаю, но некрасиво терять лицо.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 06:33:26 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:28:25 AM

Very true, as the Reindeer-herding Evenk of northern Russia would have little in common with the daughter of some oligarch in Moscow. But even within the ethnic Russian culture there would be many subcultures and even within the ethnic Russians of one city or even one village there would not be a homogeneous culture either,,,
Misha, let's not mix "culture" and "way of thinking+approach" (the latter being quite typical for 99% RF people)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 06:36:23 AM: Quote from: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 05:54:18 AM
Not really, my reality TV entertainment is limited but, I do get the jest of it. My guess is that those particular people were assembled together for that specific effect and hardly representative of dinner mates others would likely choose for themselves, no?

My point was more that if a PhD was what it took to live a full, rich life, we'd probably all have one. Education level isn't a pedigree, it's an education which isn't necessarily available to all and should be left to applications.

People tend to gravitate to those with whom they share like life experiences. Nothing wrong with that but, to use formal education level as a qualifier with whom they share their life is quite snobbish. Not all Butchers are ignorant and not all PhDs are intelligent. I personally have had stimulating intelligent conversations and relationships with both. Educated snobs are as undesirable as company as the loudmouthed uneducated rednecks.

I read a study a few years back which indicated that the average IQ of PhD's is(was) 129 with an error margin of plus/minus 3. Not too impressive, is it? So there must be other factors involved which play more tangible roles.

IQ tests, in a nutshell, measure an individual's ability to solve little puzzles. Degrees at any level are about study and tenacity more than anything else.

These represent a mere fraction of the characteristics to which Pitbull is *really* attracted in her partner. Certainly ,in reality, more important qualities would almost assuredly be social skills, wit, charm, attitude, etc.. of which many of the UberIQ'ed and Ph.D.'s are seriously lacking.

However.. there is indeed a reason(s) she chose to seek those other qualities from within THAT specific group. >:D god I love messing with RW... I'm sure it'll eventually cause my early demise.. ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:37:42 AM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 06:33:26 AM
Misha, let's not mix "culture" and "way of thinking+approach" (the latter being quite typical for 99% RF people)

Do you really think the Evenk reindeer herder and the daughter of the Oligarch share the same way of thinking? Also, we have to keep in mind generational differences and individual differences...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 06:40:02 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:37:42 AM

Do you really think the Evenk reindeer herder and the daughter of the Oligarch share the same way of thinking? Also, we have to keep in mind generational differences and individual differences...
No, but we are talking "RW married to AM", so there are hardly any oligarch or evenks here. I don't think so.
I am staying within discussion.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:48:07 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 06:36:23 AM

I read a study a few years back which indicated that the average IQ of PhD's is(was) 129 with an error margin of plus/minus 3. Not too impressive, is it? So there must be other factors involved which play more tangible roles.

Actually, it is impressive as the average IQ is by definition 100 and 140 is considered the IQ of a potential genius...

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more important qualities would almost assuredly be social skills, wit, charm, attitude, etc.. of which many of the UberIQ'ed and Ph.D.'s are seriously lacking.

Most people with PhDs tend to be perfectly balanced people with normal social skills. Have you really interacted with people who do have a PhD?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:52:31 AM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 06:40:02 AM
No, but we are talking "RW married to AM", so there are hardly any oligarch or evenks here. I don't think so.
I am staying within discussion.

Ah, so you founding your entire theory of compatibility on a handful of women that are posting here :) Even then, there are a great many different types of women from extremely different cultures and subcultures who married WM, so they can't all be reduced to a stereotype.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 06:54:26 AM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 06:31:00 AM
Ольга, мое мнение: дешево это- в угоду мeстным хлопцам так рьяно хаять свою страну (где родилась и выросла). Хорош, серьезно.
Вы не перестанете, я понимаю, но некрасиво терять лицо.

Doll, love does not mean an absence of criticism. BTW My country for me are people I love, that's it.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 07:05:23 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:48:07 AM

Actually, it is impressive as the average IQ is by definition 100 and 140 is considered the IQ of a potential genius...

The point there being that the qualities which make one adept at scoring high on an IQ test are not necessarily equivalent to the qualities which lead one to accomplish a higher degree.

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Most people with PhDs tend to be perfectly balanced people with normal social skills. Have you really interacted with people who do have a PhD?

eeeeyup... I have.. and I enjoy relating to most in a variety of ways.. the point being that "social skills" and other high quality characteristics are neither more present nor somehow more adept in either of those groups than those of the society at large.

It's an accomplishment, and one worthy of a certain level respect... but an accomplishment has little to do with other qualities one might seek in a partner.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 07:06:19 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 06:52:31 AM

Ah, so you founding your entire theory of compatibility on a handful of women that are posting here :) Even then, there are a great many different types of women from extremely different cultures and subcultures who married WM, so they can't all be reduced to a stereotype.
RW married to AM are not RW posing here.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 07:17:39 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 07:05:23 AM

The point there being that the qualities which make one adept at scoring high on an IQ test are not necessarily the equivalent to the qualities which lead one to accomplish a higher degree.

This contradicts the own stats you provide that those with a PhD have a much higher IQ on average than those who don't. But, you are correct, sometimes the brightest candidates don't finish their graduate (or even undergraduate degrees).

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eeeeyup,... I have.. and I enjoy relating to most in a variety of ways.. the point being that their "social skills" and other high quality characteristics are neither more present nor somehow more adept in either of those groups than those of the society at large.

I agree as you were implying in your previous post that they were somehow less present.

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It's an accomplishment, and one worthy of a certain level respect... but an accomplishment has little to do with other qualities one might seek in a partner.

I agree.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 07:19:32 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 05:56:40 AM
There are reasons for stereotypes... ;D

Stereotypes arise out of the need for humans to put labels on everything. I would rather see people for who they are then trying to devise a label to attach to them. But to each his/her own, you can use stereotypes if that makes you better justify a point. That does not make it fact or reality. Dream on you ex romantic (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0192.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-happy.html)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 07:20:29 AM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 07:06:19 AM
RW married to AM are not RW posing here.

Sorry, I don't quite know what point you are trying to make here.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 07:49:08 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 07:17:39 AM

This contradicts the own stats you provide that those with a PhD have a much higher IQ on average than those who don't. But, you are correct, sometimes the brightest candidates don't finish their graduate (or even undergraduate degrees).

I disagree with the "much higher" part. I think that's probably about average in many circles. Perhaps I am more of an IQ snob than I realized... Everyone in my circle of "friends" is pretty much at that level or above (and I'll gladly accept DarthBudda with his 120 >:D )

I'd even have the audacity to state that most people with an IQ of over 130 or even 140 do NOT have a PhD. Which, if true, would support my assertion that there are other factors unrelated to IQ numbers in the PhD equation. ;)

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I agree as you were implying in your previous post that they were somehow less present.

I did not make that implication. You read it. I stated "many", which is entirely factual... I just didn't add, "same as any other percentage within a defined (or even random) group" ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 07:54:30 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
Stereotypes arise out of the need for humans to put labels on everything. I would rather see people for who they are then trying to devise a label to attach to them. But to each his/her own, you can use stereotypes if that makes you better justify a point. That does not make it fact or reality. Dream on you ex romantic (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0192.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-happy.html)

Stereotypes arise because of the common observations of those having actually observed many individuals from a specifically labeled group. e.g. RW. 8) Wake up from your Romantic Dream you Idealist!! LoL..

On a more serious note... I have nothing seriously noteworthy to add.. :P
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 08:09:52 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 07:54:30 AM

Stereotypes arise because of the common observations of those having actually observed many individuals from a specifically labeled group. e.g. RW. 8) Wake up from your Romantic Dream you Idealist!! LoL..

On a more serious note... I have nothing seriously noteworthy to add.. :P

There you go with those pesky labels again. I never claimed to be a romantic or an Idealist but thanks for playing. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0194.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-happy.html)

But on a serious note just because there are observations does not mean the conclusion are correct or relavent.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 08:11:51 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 07:49:08 AM

I disagree with the "much higher" part. I think that's probably about average in many circles. Perhaps I am more of an IQ snob than I realized... Everyone in my circle of "friends" is pretty much at that level or above (and I'll gladly accept DarthBudda with his 120 >:D [/size]

As an average, 129 is very high. The larger the group, the more likely you will not deviate from the mean. An average of 129 would mean statistically that you have many with IQs over 140 pulling up those with IQs at 100 or occasionlly less than 100.

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I'd even have the audacity to state that most people with an IQ of over 130 or even 140 do NOT have a PhD.

I would have to see the research to come up with an accurate appraisal. Given that only a very small percentage of the population has a PhD it is reasonable to infer that in all likelihood that most people with an IQ over 130 would not have a PhD. However, the question is whether there is a statistically meaningful difference. Are people with IQs over 130 more likely to have a PhD?

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Which, if true, would support my assertion that there are other factors unrelated to IQ numbers in the PhD equation. ;)

Your own evidence suggests otherwise. If the average IQ of someone with a PhD was 100, then it would be easier to affirm that IQ is not a good variable to predict likely success in doing a PhD.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 15, 2012, 08:24:14 AM: IQ is a measure of potential.

Most humans never reach their full potential.

So bottom line it's all about doing the best with your abilities.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 08:59:26 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 08:11:51 AM
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Your own evidence suggests otherwise. If the average IQ of someone with a PhD was 100, then it would be easier to affirm that IQ is not a good variable to predict likely success in doing a PhD.

Seems we are in 'hair splitting' territory. I do think you are making an extrapolation based on one trait that is not necessarily indicative of the larger picture. PhD's having an average IQ of 129, which admittedly is above the overall IQ median does not equate to IQ being a predictor of the successful completion such a degree, though a low IQ could possibly be one indicator that a particular individual is less likely. Still, they are not valid flip side arguments. If my hypothesis is true that there are more people with an average IQ of 129 without a PhD than there are those with, then that indicates that there are other factors which play a larger role than IQ, and fewer above average IQ individuals have whatever those other factors are than the number of individuals who don't. And of course I'm not insinuating that a higher intelligence level and/or learning capacity is not a factor -- but that wasn't the original point I was going after up thread anyway.

Desire, drive, tenacity, priority, subject matter propensity, resources, etc., would be other obvious factors.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 09:23:28 AM: A PhD is only indicative of a higher specialized formal education in one area. It indicates an expertise in the given area and not indicative of high intelligence or high IQ. The two are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. Related, maybe, maybe not. Many holders of a PhD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the bottom, while many with no degrees or undergraduate degrees may have more experience with piss and boots :D

I'd rather have a cardiologist cracking open my chest than I would an anthropologist and I don't expect either could fix my air conditioner.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 09:45:00 AM: My my! This discussion is very revealing.

If measuring athletic prowess, one would need to consider strength, speed, coordination, balance, concentration, etc. The same with intelligence. Intelligence is multi-faceted and can not be described by a single measure.

I accept the concept ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences)) of nine different intelligences:

1 Logical-mathematical
2 Spatial
3 Linguistic
4 Bodily-kinesthetic
5 Musical
6 Interpersonal
7 Intrapersonal
8 Naturalistic
9 Existential

Of the nine listed above, I asset that interpersonal intelligence is probably the most broadly effective, with intrapersonal the most important regarding one's happiness.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 09:49:45 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 08:09:52 AM
There you go with those pesky labels again. I never claimed to be a romantic or an Idealist but thanks for playing. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0194.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-happy.html)

But on a serious note just because there are observations does not mean the conclusion are correct or relavent.

Heh.. no need to claim.. around these parts, you are the perception of what you write!

And on a more serious note... there is something about this pursuit that changes each of us a little or even a lot in specific ways.. and that's neither bad nor good but just sorta is... perhaps growth is all it is...

I thought the first woman I traveled to meet was is an angel sent from heaven, for the first four months of our communication prior to meeting-- and even during.. then, for reasons I won't get into, I began to think she is just flat "out there"... "GONE".. as I stated up thread -- the "WHAT is WRONG with you?" scenario...

Over time I've come to realize that there was/is nothing at all wrong with her.. she just saw the world from a different perspective and defined her reality from that vantage point. We said the same phrases concerning "love, family, men, women, etc", but those words and/or ideals can be defined in subtly different ways ... At any rate.. enough forum blatherizing for now..
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 09:55:39 AM: More of my opinions. I have been around PhDs, and even recruited and hired several to work for me in the fields of engineering or science.

The title PhD itself means something. Far more important, however, are the qualities of the person with the PhD. It can be conferred on one person who is indeed a renaissance man with a thirst for comprehensive learning. And it can awarded to person lacking many of the measures of intelligence I listed above, yet has earned the title via dedication and hard work. And it can be awarded to someone who waltzed through the process because they are indeed gifted. And another person may seek a PhD simply for the status rather than than for the noble aspects.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 10:00:15 AM: Quote from: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 09:23:28 AM
A PhD is only indicative of a higher specialized formal education in one area. It indicates an expertise in the given area and not indicative of high intelligence or high IQ.

To get into many/ most grad schools you need to write the GRE which is in many ways a glorified IQ test.

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Many holders of a PhD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the bottom, while many with no degrees or undergraduate degrees may have more experience with piss and boots :D

The same could be said about high school drop outs and pretty much any population...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Darth_Budda on April 15, 2012, 10:00:39 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 08:11:51 AM
As an average, 129 is very high. The larger the group, the more likely you will not deviate from the mean. An average of 129 would mean statistically that you have many with IQs over 140 pulling up those with IQs at 100 or occasionlly less than 100.

Sounds like you have been to my town!! You have no clue how hard it is to have a intelligent conversation about politics or world news..

I get sick of gossip "usually not my business", NASCAR "They go in a big circle, for hours on end" and sports rather quickly...

On a side note IQ tests will give different results depending on when you took them.. My score was determined in kindergarten, Unless i lost some of my IQ it should be slightly higher now. At least I hope...

You loose the skills you don't use.

Quote from: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 09:23:28 AM
Many holders of a PhD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the bottom

I love that movie,,,

"these dam officers
Couldn't pour piss from a boot if the directions were written on the heel"

referring to the northern generals during the American civil war,,

"Gods and generals" If my memory serves me right..
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 15, 2012, 10:07:04 AM: Quote from: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:32:30 AM
Preference for high IQ in a mate is not better or worse than a height or boob size or weight preference that most men here admit to having ;D

I agree. Best woman has not only correct height and weight, but also high IQ and a PhD (or MD, DDS, anything with D in it). And any boob size B or C is OK, but not smaller or larger.

But she should also know how to cook and clean; and know her correct place.
Also know how to pour my beer correctly and bring it in timely manner during sports games.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 10:10:55 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
The same could be said about high school drop outs and pretty much any population...

Exactly
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 10:26:26 AM: Regarding the OP's question:
I vote "yes" - I am compatible with RW. I can not speak for other men. I can speak only about the RW whom I got to know.

In comparison with AW, RW seem to harbor less animosity about men in general even though RW seemingly have more cause to bear some resentment. So that is a positive for RW compatibility.

Another positive, I felt more open with RW than with AW. This enabled me to become close with RW sooner than with AW.

There is a large negative. Once a conflict emerges, RW seem less likely to talk it out. And incompatibilities will fester if not resolved. This has required much patience and gentle persuasion on my part - qualities I did not have when younger. Yet even today my Cossack woman says I am "rigid" at times. In my younger days, we would not have lasted long.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 10:33:50 AM: Quote from: Faux Pas on April 15, 2012, 10:10:55 AM
Exactly

The main motivation that should drive anybody to do a PhD is love of research, research that tends to become quite specialized.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 15, 2012, 10:41:11 AM: Not certain, but I think main reason people seek a PhD is because they know it is required for the profession they want to be in.

For instance, if a person is planning to become a college professor, then they soon find out that a PhD will be required, either for initial entry or later to progress.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 15, 2012, 10:51:17 AM: As to OPs original question . . .

I have found little incompatibility between myself and FSUW.
Sure there are some little things, but there are little things that cause incompatibilities between myself and any other person.

In truth, this lack of incompatibility came as quite a surprise to me.
But in actuality, I have met and spent a lot of time with many FSUW and, with 90% of them, things went just as if I were with a person from my own country or culture.

But, for those who haven't read much of my prior posts, let me state that I only meet with women who can communicate in English. Not perfect English, but never need interpreter.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:02:30 AM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 13, 2012, 07:16:11 PM
Calmissile,

Because of such women and men like in the video the Russian tourists have a bad reputations... and very often they are called Russian pigs.

BTW there is a Russian saying: make a person drunk and you will see his/her true nature ;)
I agree, Russian tourists are the worst ones.I have heard that British girls look like prude ladies in comparison with us and the manners are really good, you would never call them pigs.
http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-typical-british-girl-fat-and-drunk
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:07:43 AM: Here is some more, this one makes me think I know nothing about good manners at all.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:13:59 AM: The gentlemen ;D
http://forums.sgclub.com/singapore/naked_tourist_arrested_99052.html
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:15:15 AM: Come on, folks, every country has jerks and decent people. :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 11:19:58 AM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
I agree, Russian tourists are the worst ones.I have heard that British girls look like prude ladies in comparison with us and the manners are really good, you would never call them pigs.
http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-typical-british-girl-fat-and-drunk (http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-typical-british-girl-fat-and-drunk)

Yes, they drink too and behave like pigs. But they are not called Natashas in Turkey and other Arabic countries ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 11:29:55 AM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
Come on, folks, every country has jerks and decent people. :D

Yes, Vasilisa, I agree. Looks like more bad apples are going to Turkish resorts than decent people ;D

The picture below is very universal all over Russian Federation and in other countries of FSU as well. "The Spring will show who and where were sh!tting"
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:30:27 AM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
Yes, they drink too and behave like pigs. But they are not called Natashas in Turkey and other Arabic countries ;D
I've never been to Turkey, so I have not idea who is called what, I can say that here, where I live in the US I have seen so many really active American and Latin women that use a lot of make up and dress in a really crazy way that those Turkish guys would die on the spot immediately without being able to make any names for them. Russian girls look like shy princesses in comparison with them. So, I'd say the following: if you compare a Turskish woman and a Russian one the Russian one may look like @Natasha@, but if you compare a Brazilian girl (watch the carnival) and the Russian one the Russian girls are just innocence itself ;D

BTW, since when an opinion of a Moslem guy of christian girls is the top truth?
Find a guy from Afganistan or Saudi Arabia,where every woman who not wearing a black dress sompletely covering her body is whore.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:37:51 AM: What is of more interest to me is another typical feature of many ex-Soviet citizens migrated abroad, being happilly married for 10+years and having all that perfect life abroad and being completely happy as they tell to everybody they can't stop going to all those dirty Russian forums and criminal news websites, read terrible Russian news, look for drunk Russians videos in youtube and keep telling everybody around how terrible their native country is.

I haven't seen that much from any other people here: French people love their country, English people love it, people from Chili do, even if they love the US they say how much they love the US but they don't show the disgusting pictures showing how bad their native country is, but many Russians do.

So, I am curious, what makes them do that? Do you have any clue? If they are completely happy in the US why look for terrible Russian news online? Just relax and enjoy that life you have? ;D when I am happy the entire world around me looks happy.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Belvis on April 15, 2012, 11:48:57 AM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:30:27 AM
BTW, since when an opinion of a Moslem guy of christian girls is the top truth?

It's funny thing but Turkish guys generally have the same attitude towards RW as RWD men here. They want marry them. As for "Natashas"... Some people tend to see only 'Natashas" and sh#t everywhere.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:49:19 AM: And the answer to your question about Natasha in short is simple: Russians is probably the brightest dressed nation in Europe as they are Asians with European features, so they stand out, if you cross Atlantic and see hot blooded Latin guys and half-naked Latin girls dancing Salsa it will even be brighter. Brazilian girls don't go to Turkey on a regular basis, though, there are closer countries to have a rest :P
I have never heard Thai people telling bad things about Russian girls though, I wonder why. ::)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 11:50:01 AM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:30:27 AM
I've never been to Turkey, so I have not idea who is called what...

And you don't need to go there just to know that the nickname came with the prostitutes from FSU.

BTW take a look at the comments on Russian websites from decent Russian people on behavior of Russian tourists similar to the girl in that video...

Actually my video was a response on "Russian Women are complex with their moods, beliefs, games, views on this world, along with the different idea of " being happy" as there is really nothing so much special about RW that would put them in some kind unique category ;D There is different type of women in Russia like in UK ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 11:55:21 AM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:37:51 AM

So, I am curious, what makes them do that? Do you have any clue?

Personally, I was critical about some particular things in Russia when I was living in Russia. I also can repeat for especially talented people that love doesn't mean an absence of criticism ;D

Belvis, would you be so kind to explain why it is so difficult for Russians to clean the faeces after their dogs ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:58:19 AM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
And you don't need to go there just to know that the nickname came with the prostitutes from FSU.

BTW take a look at the comments on Russian websites from decent Russian people on behavior of Russian tourist similar to the girl in that video...

Actually my video was a response on "Russian Women are complex with their moods, beliefs, games, views on this world, along with the different idea of " being happy" as there is really nothing so much special about RW that would put them in some kind unique category ;D There different type of women in Russia like in UK ;D
As I said, the opinion of a high school educated moslim guy from a little village who has never left his country means nothing to me. I just don't care, I also don't care about people who think stereotypes and judge the entire nation by a couple example of something. If you open your country for people of a different religion and culture and making a lot of money don't bite the hand feeding you.

I have nothing to be ashamed of and if someone has a mean attitude towards me because he had seen another Russian who had done something mean in his opinion this person is a shallow idiot and I don't care.

your problem is that you are full of complexes about your native country, stop looking for drunk Russians youtube videos, try "Russian Ark" for example, there are a lot of to be proud of that the Turkish guys and you have no idea of. Good luck.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 12:02:08 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 11:58:19 AM

your problem is that you are full of complexes about your native country, stop looking for drunk Russians youtube videos, try "Russian Ark" for example, there are a lot of to be proud of that the Turkish guys and you have no idea of. Good luck.

Vasilisa, dear, I don't have complexes... I'm a person who is not afraid to admit that there is a sh!t when there is a sh!t ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 12:11:41 PM: There are always people who see a beautiful garden and there are people who see the source of allergy looking at the same thing at the same time, it is not a surprise.
As i said, I don't visit the places that contain negative things for me, for example when I am insulted for no particular reason I leave the place.
I am trying to visit the places that are interesting to me and fill me up with joy and positive energy, so I can't understand what makes you visit all those websites full of negative things about Russia? You obviously enjoy them for some reason.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Belvis on April 15, 2012, 12:21:02 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 11:55:21 AM

Belvis, would you be so kind to explain why it is so difficult for Russians to clean the faeces after their dogs ;D
Well, you already know answer. They are lazy bastards who have fun walking through minefield like streets.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 12:23:45 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
There are always people who see a beautiful garden and there are people who see the source of allergy looking at the same thing ant the same time, it is not a surprise.

Vasilisa, blind patriotism doesn't make any good... more over for progress ;)

I prefer to look at the reality as it is, without pink glasses and see all the beauty... and ugliness too

There are some very beautiful plants but it is better to know in advance if they are toxic or not ;) By the way I love gardening. ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 12:25:25 PM: Quote from: Belvis on April 15, 2012, 12:21:02 PM
Well, you already know answer. They are lazy bastards who have fun walking through minefield like streets.

Really? Honestly I thought it is enigmatic Russian soul :-\ :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 12:31:36 PM: Olga, I am not a blind patriot.
I honestly said that ANY country has good things and bad things, ANY country. ANY country has mean people and good people.
the difference is in the PROPORTION and BALANCE of them.
If the person keeps on seeing only bad things about one country and only good things about another one it makes me curious what is wrong with him or her.

Russians are great people but many of them are whiners who always complain no matter how good their life it, there is always a reason to complain. If you live in the US and like it so much why don't you accept positive American attitude and become a positive extravert then? ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 12:32:46 PM: I am a Russian, but I love the US and their positive attitude so I am trying to become like them and I am called a blind patriot instead. all righty then...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ghost of moon goddess on April 15, 2012, 12:34:47 PM: The fact that the pavements in my country don't glitter with gold dust will never make myself feel happy and right about the decision to reside (of course, if I ever make that decision ::)).

YET,

When given the opportunity to choose between shopping locally and shopping in Milan fashion district, I'll prefer the latter. ;D

Guess why

'Cause there's nothing can compare to strolling along Via Montenapoleone with Sandro letting me in on the secrets of making "una bella figura." ;D

Девочки, Христос воскресе!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 12:56:03 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
Olga, I am not a blind patriot.
I honestly said that ANY country has good things and bad things, ANY country. ANY country has mean people and good people.
the difference is in the PROPORTION and BALANCE of them.

Vasilisa, I'm glad to hear that you are not a blind patriot. :) I absolutely agree with you on keeping the proportion and balance and that's what I'm doing as well ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 12:58:51 PM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 15, 2012, 12:34:47 PM
The fact that the pavements in my country don't glitter with gold dust will never make myself feel happy and right about the decision to reside (of course, if I ever make that decision ::) ).

YET,

When given the opportunity to choose between shopping locally and shopping in Milan fashion district, I'll prefer the latter. ;D

Guess why

'Cause there's nothing can compare to strolling along Via Montenapoleone with Sandro letting me in on the secrets of making "una bella figura." ;D

Девочки, Христос воскресе!

Воистину воскресе!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 01:09:20 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
I am a Russian, but I love the US and their positive attitude so I am trying to become like them and I am called a blind patriot instead. all righty then...

Just don't try to hard remember about your individuality ;)

BTW I have never lost my positive attitude in Russia. But I prefer to have my Russian positive attitude with a spoon of irony and pinch of sarcasm ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 01:27:27 PM: Quote from: Belvis on April 15, 2012, 12:21:02 PM
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Belvis, would you be so kind to explain why it is so difficult for Russians to
clean the faeces after their dogs (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/grin.gif)

Well, you already know answer. They are lazy bastards who have fun walking through minefield like streets.

Quote from: Gator on March 19, 2011, 12:05:51 PM
Dog feces - vivid memories.

I spent an entire April in Moscow. My apartment had a large common area where residents walked their dogs. During the winter the dog droppings would freeze and not degrade. However, each snowfall covered the frozen dog crap and the common area appeared pristine white. In April as the warm weather approached, each day of melting revealed a new layer of dog crap. The piles of dog crap contrasted vividly against the remaining white snow. What first started out as a few piles slowly grew to a thousand piles, eventually displaying all the dog crap dumped for the entire winter.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 01:32:15 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 01:09:20 PM
Just don't try to hard remember about your individuality ;)

Why can't I be an individual?!
Don't try to shut me like an old KGB guy, you keep on blaming Russians for being bad, poor mannered, no freedom of the word, they are not smiling, you are the perfect example of what you don't like in Russians, the mirror :D you are trying to shut people who express their point of view and whine all the time. Think about it.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 01:33:29 PM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 15, 2012, 12:34:47 PM

Девочки, Христос воскресе!
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Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 01:34:46 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
Why can't I be an individual?!

Who told that? What I'm saying don't try too hard " to become like them", remember your individuality ;)
Sorry for misunderstanding.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 01:42:05 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Vasilisa, blind patriotism doesn't make any good... more over for progress ;)

And you are a blind pariot of the USA and see nothing good about the place you came from, so?!
I am teeling you: you are what you don't like about Russians you don't like :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 01:46:41 PM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 15, 2012, 12:34:47 PM
The fact that the pavements in my country don't glitter with gold dust will never make myself feel happy and right about the decision to reside (of course, if I ever make that decision ::) ).

YET,

When given the opportunity to choose between shopping locally and shopping in Milan fashion district, I'll prefer the latter. ;D

Guess why

'Cause there's nothing can compare to strolling along Via Montenapoleone with Sandro letting me in on the secrets of making "una bella figura." ;D

Девочки, Христос воскресе!

Not to mention one of Sandro's favorite open air restaurants in the beautiful countryside.

Also, the choice is larger and the prices lower in Milan compared to the high end shops of the FSU.

Even with the lower prices, one's budget can take a serious beating. I recall strolling with my Cossack woman into Valentino's shop in Capri. The manager who normally would ignore people such as me (an American in his boat shoes) noticed how gracefully she walked and touched the display items. I guess he thought me her accountant. :D She was holding a sweater, and indeed it was beautiful. He came over and mentioned in English the finer points. She read the price tag (1,500 Euro!!!), examined the sweater some more, gently replaced it, stuck up her nose, and walked out without speaking a word. She knew German, not English. The manager looked dismayed. I was relieved as I was already trying to decide how to say "No" politely.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 01:49:25 PM: Gator, what if I don't like shopping?! ;D
Personally, it doesn't matter to me where to go shopping, the things that I hate about modern Russia is that many people have rude and indifferent attitude towards each other.
that's inexcusable and that's what the government can't give, only people themselves can change.
This is what I actually hate. With the rest I can live. Dusty-not dusty.. a fur coat for $10000, a fur coat for $15000, a sitting cashier, a standing cashier, cars, buses...doesn't matter.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 01:52:43 PM: Vsilisa, just drop it with Olga, come on!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 01:53:57 PM: Gator, what is "Cossack woman"?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 15, 2012, 01:55:12 PM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 15, 2012, 12:34:47 PM

'Cause there's nothing can compare to strolling along Via Montenapoleone with Sandro letting me in on the secrets of making "una bella figura." ;D

Might that be watching the men of Milan lift their gonads as you pass?

jk
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 01:57:01 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 01:52:43 PM
Vsilisa, just drop it with Olga, come on!
Grrrr..lol

come on-ю
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 01:59:39 PM: Vasilisa,

You may be surprised to know that in off line conversations with many AM, OlgaH is the most respected and has the most desired qualities of a FSU women that men want in a FSU wife.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:03:29 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 01:59:39 PM
Vasilisa,

You may be surprised to know that in off line conversations with many AM, OlgaH is the most respected and has the most desired qualities of a FSU women that men want in a FSU wife.
You haven't met me in person though, the sweetest one you have ever seen: always smile and listen attentively without yawning, never say a word against. All men I have met so far wanted to keep on dating me, even an ex husband calls. I can be bite well when needed though.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 02:04:41 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 01:59:39 PM
Vasilisa,

You may be surprised to know that in off line conversations with many AM, OlgaH is the most respected and has the most desired qualities of a FSU women that men want in a FSU wife.
we have NOOOOOOOOO doubts. Just FYI- Olga has no clue what is it- to be NOT employed by your own husband, to look and find ( and keep) your job in this country.
She is just exertionally lucky that makes her 0.0001% of RW in the USA.
Olga, sorry (not))))
You respect her because she says what you want, that''s all.
Again, goto RW forum and read.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:04:53 PM: You haven't met me in person though, the sweetest one you have ever seen: always smile and listen attentively without yawning, never say a word against. I can be bite well when needed though.

;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 02:06:18 PM: So, before I leave this thread- I do think that RW and AM are hardly compatible (with some lucky exceptions).
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 01:42:05 PM
And you are a blind pariot of the USA and see nothing good about the place you came from, so?!
I am teeling you: you are what you don't like about Russians you don't like :)

:D

actually you can look through my posts to see what I like and don't like instead being so wildly imaginative ;)

BTW many members here can tell that you behave like a typical Russian woman when somebody points on some Russian shortcomings and she becomes extremely defensive throwing some indirect or direct insults. :D

Anyway... have you ever thought why you have such personal experience without blaming something or somebody? ;)

Quote from: Vasilisa on July 26, 2011, 09:37:27 PM

From my personal experience it is easier to find someone living in Russia than in the US.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:09:59 PM: Doll,

I don't think I will go to the forum you suggested. The FSU G/F of a friend of mine told me about the forum today. She is a well adjusted happy woman in the US. She told me that the forum is mostly a buch of hags bitching about WM. Doubt I would enjoy it. I would much rather sit on this forum and figure out how to find a clone of OlgaH! :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 15, 2012, 02:13:05 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 02:06:18 PM
So, before I leave this thread- I do think that RW and AM are hardly compatible (with some lucky exceptions).

As stated way upthread, no.

And I'll likely be right with 99% accuracy.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:15:04 PM: Calmissile, how much will her salary be?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:17:46 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
I would much rather sit on this forum and figure out how to find a clone of OlgaH! :)

calmissile, you better to talk to my husband first :o :D because in some way I'm what Winston Churchill had to say

"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma..."

;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 15, 2012, 02:19:55 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
Doll,

I don't think I will go to the forum you suggested. The FSU G/F of a friend of mine told me about the forum today. She is a well adjusted happy woman in the US. She told me that the forum is mostly a buch of hags bitching about WM. Doubt I would enjoy it. I would much rather sit on this forum and figure out how to find a clone of OlgaH! :)

Assimilation is a great thing, maybe too great to bear for those seeking a RW.

Contraindicated IMHO.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 02:21:01 PM: I for one like OlgaH not because she tells me what I want to hear, but rather when she disagrees with me, she does it with class and dignity, not with derogatory comments and personal attacks. I think OlgaH is a fine example to both men and women on how we should treat each other IMHO.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:22:20 PM: Valilisa
Calmissile, how much will her salary be?

It would not matter. She is a driven women that works and contributes. More important is her attitudes and integration into the US culture.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:22:57 PM: Calmissile, I know one really nice lady for about 20 years, a mother of my best friend, she is almost 60, looks great for her age, doesn't have gray hair, or at least dye it, her kids are 30+ and have families of their own, very independent. She doesn't speak English though and can't drive a car. I bet you she is not going to use you for money or a green card, I think she wants a soulmate as she is getting lonely now, her husband died last year.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 15, 2012, 02:23:45 PM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 02:21:01 PM
I for one like OlgaH not because she tells me what I want to hear, but rather when she disagrees with me, she does it with class and dignity, not with derogatory comments and personal attacks. I think OlgaH is a fine example to both men and women on how we should treat each other IMHO.

And disregard what's on our mind? That's typical A? thinking....
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 02:23:54 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 01:53:57 PM
Gator, what is "Cossack woman"?

The woman of my dreams.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3538.msg64418#msg64418 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3538.msg64418#msg64418)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:24:16 PM: calmissile, you better to talk to my husband first because in some way I'm what Winston Churchill had to say

"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma..."

And perhaps it is the bit of a mystery that makes it exciting. :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:24:46 PM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 02:21:01 PM
I for one like OlgaH not because she tells me what I want to hear, but rather when she disagrees with me, she does it with class and dignity, not with derogatory comments and personal attacks. I think OlgaH is a fine example to both men and women on how we should treat each other IMHO.
You obviously missed the post where she called me sick because my opinion was different from hers, actually she was the first one who started that. Calmissile agreed with her, later calmissile apologized, Olga didn't.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:27:22 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:22:20 PM
Valilisa
Calmissile, how much will her salary be?

It would not matter. She is a driven women that works and contributes. More important is her attitudes and integration into the US culture.
Calmissile, Olga is hired by her husband, her being here is a part of their business, look at the color of her nickname. Do you argue with clients at work? Do you argue with the boss who pays you?
You never know what she is like when they are together, it can surprise you :crackwhip: she can be a :devil: in the kitchen.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 02:28:46 PM: Quote from: BC on April 15, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
And disregard what's on our mind? That's typical A? thinking....

I just have to ask BC what is typical A? thinking.....?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:31:28 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
You obviously missed the post where she called me sick because my opinion was different from hers, actually she was the first one who started that. Calmissile agreed with her, later calmissile apologized, Olga didn't.

Vasilisa, I accused your imagination being sick when you publicly made your assumption that Calmissle would go after teen girls. And I still think that was sick to say.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 02:32:53 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:08:35 PM

BTW many members here can tell that you behave like a typical Russian woman when somebody points on some Russian shortcomings and she becomes extremely defensive throwing some indirect or direct insults. :D

I reluctantly laugh. I say 'reluctantly' because I would never participate in a cat fight. Especially knowing that Vasilisa is a cat owner. I do admire the energy and wit of the two of you. And compared to men fights, the two of you are very civil. :applaud:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 15, 2012, 02:33:48 PM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 02:28:46 PM
I just have to ask BC what is typical A? thinking.....?

AM / AW... basically sugarcoating.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 02:35:04 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:31:28 PM
Vasilisa, I accused your imagination being sick when you publicly made your assumption that Calmissle would go after teen girls. And I still think that was sick to say.

I recall that, thought it weird at the time, and then assumed it was an ambiguous writing mistake and not intended.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:36:47 PM: Vasilia,
In spite of your English skills you still have less than a fluent understanding of the language or posts.

My aplology was not about any comments about being 'sick'. My aplogy was for the crass remark I made suggesting that if you do not like the US or it's men you should go back home. In addition, I did not realize how many men enjoy your whining and complaining and felt responsible for your comment that you were going to leave. Now that is the facts. The apology was sincere and I stand by it!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:37:27 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:27:22 PM
Calmissile, Olga is hired by her husband, her being here is a part of their business, look at the color of her nickname. Do you argue with clients at work? Do you argue with the boss who pays you?
You never know what she is like when they are together, it can surprise you :crackwhip: she can be a >:D in the kitchen.

Vasilisa, I'm not hired by my husband we own the business 50/50. ;) BTW most of our arguments are about business ideas :D No I don't argue with clients... I can suggest to them but it is up to them to make a decision :D

Did I tell you you have a wild imagination? :-\ :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:38:41 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:31:28 PM
Vasilisa, I accused your imagination being sick when you publicly made your assumption that Calmissle would go after teen girls. And I still think that was sick to say.
Oh, please, don't start it again, it had nothing to do with his being into teenage girls, it was more about the connection between his mentioning the lady's age and the realism of her expectations, like what would be different if she was way younger would it make the expectations more realistic if you didn't get the meaning it didn't give you any right to insult me. But you did.
So when someone is mentioning how nice you are in treating people who you are disagree with remember that post.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 02:39:01 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 14, 2012, 07:34:17 PM
I disagree, any one that moves to another country has to many degrees intigrate into that culture.
I do agree like Russia or china, the US is a large country, and made up of many regions, which could be likened to a few small country's, to whit the south west US is very differant from the north east US, actually about 5-6 country's I think, each with its own culture, unique issues.

am sorry that you disagree, but if 10 years ago a man would tell me "You have to integrate into my culture" , I would drop him like a hot potato. Being from Moscow, I was not really too motivated to immigrate to start with. And definitely not to someone who thinks I "have to" do something before I even set foot onto hiscountry’s soil. I dont "have to" anything to anybody, but love my husband. Everything else I will do if I want to do. I appreciated that my husband told me that I do not need to even like his country – just him.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:42:10 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 02:36:47 PM
Vasilia,
In spite of your English skills you still have less than a fluent understanding of the language or posts.

I was offering you the best woman I know and you didn't even pay attention to that part, preferring to argue. Bravo. :clapping:
Must be too old
Yes, I agree, I obviously have less than fluent understanding of you and Olga. Though, it's ok, I don't even have any desire to understand you any better, I am fine with the other people.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 15, 2012, 02:42:41 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 02:39:01 PM

am sorry that you disagree, but if 10 years ago a man would tell me "You have to integrate into my culture" , I would drop him like a hot potato. Being from Moscow, I was not really too motivated to immigrate to start with. And definitely not to someone who thinks I "have to" do something before I even set foot onto hiscountry’s soil. I dont "have to" anything to anybody, but love my husband. Everything else I will do if I want to do. I appreciated that my husband told me that I do not need to even like his country – just him.

Now that's a RW statement I can respect, without all the frills but full of thrills.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:51:01 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:38:41 PM
Oh, please, don't start it again, it had nothing to do with his being into teenage girls, it was more about the connection between his mentioning the lady's age and the realism of her expectations, like what would be different if she was way younger would it make the expectations more realistic if you didn't get the meaning it didn't give you any right to insult me. But you did.
So when someone is mentioning how nice you are in treating people who you are disagree with remember that post.

OK, dear Vasilisa, my fault I did not asked, I will accept your explanation of your meaning and I say my sorry for insulting your imagination :) will you forgive me? Pleeeease.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:55:46 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 02:42:10 PM
I was offering you the best woman I know and you didn't even pay attention to that part, preferring to argue. Bravo. :clapping:
Must be too old
Yes, I agree, I obviously have less than fluent understanding of you and Olga. Though, it's ok, I don't even have any desire to understand you any better, I am fine with the other people.

Vasilisa, is not what you are doing? arguing? :D Sincerely wishing you good luck in dating :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:00:01 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 02:39:01 PM

am sorry that you disagree, but if 10 years ago a man would tell me "You have to integrate into my culture" , I would drop him like a hot potato. Being from Moscow, I was not really too motivated to immigrate to start with. And definitely not to someone who thinks I "have to" do something before I even set foot onto hiscountry’s soil. I dont "have to" anything to anybody, but love my husband. Everything else I will do if I want to do. I appreciated that my husband told me that I do not need to even like his country – just him.
I agree, when you marry a foreigner respect her or him and be ready to be integrated into her or his cultural things, too. If you live in a nice place and that's him who can't find a decent job there and makes you relocate because of him that's at least strange if he is making you to relocate and to integrate for his convenience, too.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:01:29 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 02:55:46 PM
Vasilisa, is not what you are doing? arguing? :D Sincerely wishing you good luck in dating :)
Oh, sweetie, thank you, need a hug, a kiss?!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:06:59 PM: For clarification, I will point out Olga is not here for any business purpose. The business she and her husband Robert operate is one which has no relationship to this forum. He works with the courts. Olga's status is not as a commercial member.

Now, let's please get this thread back on topic.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:11:50 PM: And I don't understand what it all is about like I can't date, as I mentioned, I have found plenty of guys who wouldn't mind living together. The problem is that I want to be heard and listened to and respected and to be loved not for the sweet words and being convenient, but for who and what I am, if i kept on doing what my husband was asking for I'd still be married, big deal to be married to the guy who is breaking me and pushing me, would I respect myself after that.. I am not sure..... Besides, everyone loves the nice and kind ones, love her when she is not nice. :devil: Nobody is not perfect.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 03:14:38 PM: Visalisa,

Here is a typical example of your lack of understanding of our culture and language.

I was offering you the best woman I know and you didn't even pay attention to that part, preferring to argue. Bravo.
Must be too old

1. I would not respond to you in a public forum on your offer.
2. There is not enough information about her to evaluate
3. She does not speak English.... could be a problem for me. Was pondering what little info you provided.
4. I did not prefer to argue, I simply put off replying to you in public.
5. You made an assumption about her being too old for me without any basis for doing so. So what is supposed to be the value in your comment?

Whether intentional or deliberate, you cast insults throughout your posts on several threads. For the most part they are ignored, just to be in good taste. Your disparaging remarks about OlgaH having a salary only because her husband hires her is a good example. It shows your lack of understanding in the workings of a family business. You are by reference inferring that she would not be working or have an income if it were not for her husband. I do not believe that! With her skills, experience, and charm, I am reasonably sure she could find work and be very successful. It is not necessary to make the kind of comments you make in order to make a point about something.

When and if you become more fluent in our language and culture you can become just like her. That is to be able to express yourself without the insulting and disrespectful parts of your dialogue.

Also, I doubt she is either very lucky or in the .000001% as was claimed. There are many FSU women in the US that are very successful and happy that was acquired through their own efforts and ambition.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 03:16:03 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:01:29 PM
Oh, sweetie, thank you, need a hug, a kiss?!

You are very welcome, darling. :) See, it is not so difficult to say sorry ;) I hope next time you also will ask me about my life and what I meant instead of applying your imagination to me ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 15, 2012, 03:18:08 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:06:59 PM
For clarification, I will point out Olga is not here for any business purpose. The business she and her husband Robert operate is one which has no relationship to this forum. He works with the courts. Olga's status is not as a commercial member.

Now, let's please get this thread back on topic.

Oh please just when did this go off topic. If it is all about compatibility the recent post just prove what I said in the begining. "we can all get along if we choose too.(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0071.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-happy.html)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:22:05 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 03:14:38 PM

When and if you become more fluent in our language and culture you can become just like her.
Let's stay positive and hope it will never happen.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:24:02 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:37:59 AM

Well, just for the record.. you are also from Ukrainian diaspora, raised with Ukrainian traditions in a Ukrainian family environment. I am not insinuating that *that* is why you and your husband are compatible, but I think it does make a difference as you have a foundation of of natural understanding upon which the seeds your chemistry, goals, interests, compatible values, etc can take root and begin to flourish.

I disagree.

As I have posted in the past, he knows that you ooh and aah at a pysanka, you don't crack it open and eat it. ;) That's the cultural aspect.

Knowing the culture and its "memes", and, more importantly, having a common language you both speak fluently makes misunderstandings less likely to occur, however, I am Western in my mentality. My husband is not, even though he rejects most of the "Soviet" mentality he grew up with. There can be big difference in the mentalities.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:25:18 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:06:59 PM
For clarification, I will point out ....
Now, let's please get this thread back on topic.
Good idea. Ok, speaking about compatibility... calmissle and Vasilia are not compatible.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:25:31 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
The problem is that I want to be heard and listened to and respected and to be loved not for the sweet words and being convenient, but for who and what I am

That desire is fairly universal.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 03:27:55 PM: Quote from Vasilisa,

When and if you become more fluent in our language and culture you can become just like her.
Let's stay positive and hope it will never happen.

I don't think anything more needs to be said. My point is illustrated once again!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 03:29:05 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:24:02 PM
I disagree.

As I have posted in the past, he knows that you ooh and aah at a pysanka, you don't crack it open and eat it. ;) That's the cultural aspect.

Knowing the culture and its "memes", and, more importantly, having a common language you both speak fluently makes misunderstandings less likely to occur, however, I am Western in my mentality. My husband is not, even though he rejects most of the "Soviet" mentality he grew up with. There can be big difference in the mentalities.

Nuh Uh!!! Nuh Uh!!! :crackwhip:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:30:13 PM: Quote from: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 05:32:30 AM
However, a very high IQ and a high educational degree has been my #1 criteria in my search for a mate, . . . Preference for high IQ in a mate is not better or worse than a height or boob size or weight preference that most men here admit to having ;D

I agree, what I wanted was a man of high intellect. Life has never been boring with him. 8)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:31:09 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 03:29:05 PM

Nuh Uh!!! Nuh Uh!!! :crackwhip:

To which part?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:31:21 PM: But Vasilisa likes Gator for sure, so let's hope there's a really cute, 30-something miniature version of Gator wandering somewhere.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 03:33:57 PM: I agree, what I wanted was a man of high intellect. Life has never been boring with him.

And you are both very fortunate to have found a compatible partner.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 15, 2012, 03:35:27 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 02:39:01 PM

am sorry that you disagree, but if 10 years ago a man would tell me "You have to integrate into my culture" , I would drop him like a hot potato. Being from Moscow, I was not really too motivated to immigrate to start with. And definitely not to someone who thinks I "have to" do something before I even set foot onto hiscountry’s soil. I dont "have to" anything to anybody, but love my husband. Everything else I will do if I want to do. I appreciated that my husband told me that I do not need to even like his country – just him.

DP, the first step in integration is learning the language, which I am guessing you have done?

As for the rest of your comment, fine by me.
I am happy you have found the other that would tolerate and accept you as you are, I wish you both nothing but the very best in life.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 15, 2012, 03:47:49 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:31:21 PM
But Vasilisa likes Gator for sure, so let's hope there's a really cute, 30-something miniature version of Gator wandering somewhere.

Thanks for the compliment. I too enjoy you. Does this mean Calmissile and I are incompatible? .

Miniature Gator. Lots of them now around my house as they have recently hatched. Mama Gators standing guard.

You mean two-legged Gator without a tail. There is my older son, 32-yo, university graduate with honors, gainfully employed, loves children....but not ready for marriage.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 03:48:32 PM: Quote from: BC on April 15, 2012, 02:42:41 PM
Now that's a RW statement I can respect, without all the frills but full of thrills.
You missed my postings! :D :D A couple of pages ago I said same- we do not have to do anything.Sure AM doesn't like it.
Are we talking compatibility? :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:48:58 PM: Quote from: Ranetka on April 15, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
Девочки, не ссорьтесь, ~~чужие~~ мужики этого не стоят.

Лучше вот про черноглазую казачку почитайте, Василиса, хотите Гатора, но помоложе, учитесь у предшественницы лол.

Оля, помните тред про дочку? И эти люди запрещают мне ковыряться в носу....
Уже прочитала :)

I am off... the cake is waiting.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 03:52:18 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from Vasilisa,

When and if you become more fluent in our language and culture you can become just like her.
Let's stay positive and hope it will never happen.

I don't think anything more needs to be said. My point is illustrated once again!
Calmissile,

This is just another condescending comment about a woman from you! Vasilisa is perfectly fine just the way she is,there is no need for her to become "just like" OlgaH.
How about this: "Calmissile, when and if you become more fluent in relationships and start to understand and respect women you'll become just like.... let's say...Ade ;D "
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 03:54:32 PM: Василиса, ну его- пусть. Понятно, что Ольга понятия не имеет о реальной жизни тут, потому и нравится маЛчикам местным (форумским). Гуд им лак, как грится, только потом больно будет фейсом об тейбл, если РЖ окажется не-Ольгой и заартачится, не захочет петь эти песни.
Оставь эти споры.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 03:55:39 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:22:05 PM
Let's stay positive and hope it will never happen.
:applaud:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:00:59 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 03:31:09 PM
To which part?

Ahhhh, just trying get back into the spirit of incompatibility... :D

Okay, so, do you really not believe that by growing up with the influences of your family that you had a deeper understanding of the culture and mentality at the time you met your husband to be than say, the average western guy heading over yonder for the first time?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 04:05:35 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 03:54:32 PM
Василиса, ну его- пусть. Понятно, что Ольга понятия не имеет о реальной жизни тут, потому и нравится маЛчикам местным (форумским). Гуд им лак, как грится, только потом больно будет фейсом об тейбл, если РЖ окажется не-Ольгой и заартачится, не захочет петь эти песни.
Оставь эти споры.

Doll, what real life you are talking about? ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:06:26 PM: Hmmm, I think Nichka turned out the lights and tossed in a pomegranate! >:D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on April 15, 2012, 04:09:40 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:06:26 PM
Hmmm, I think Nichka turned out the lights and tossed in a pomegranate! >:D
Grenade! Pomegrenade is a fruit! They throw grenades! (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrBSP0iptrdFI6TqJOdExmoTGNhbnhrEL0CIduzrv1g0j01FJSOQ)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:10:58 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 04:09:40 PM
Grenade! Pomegrenade is a fruit! They throw grenades!

;D made you look!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 04:25:29 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:00:59 PM

Ahhhh, just trying get back into the spirit of incompatibility... :D

Okay, so, do you really not believe that by growing up with the influences of your family that you had a deeper understanding of the culture and mentality at the time you met your husband to be than say, the average western guy heading over yonder for the first time?

The culture, yes. The mentality, no. My mentality was never a Soviet mentality. It was always a Western mentality. In fact, my husband says "You think like a Westerner".

Soviet mentality still predominates in the FSU, though it is changing. But, at the same time, my husband grew up in a family that was a "class enemy", one which the authorities enjoyed humiliating. He said he tried to become Soviet, but he couldn't. He rejected it, and he faced the consequences of that choice willingly. I do not think we would have been compatible if he'd had a Soviet mentality.

I understand most, but not all, of it from living there, but, as I posted, there were always things that were "normal" there that were perplexing, or shocking, or sometimes repugnant to me. There are male posters here who do not find some of these things, particularly the seedier ones which most Westerners would find disgusting, so and, in fact, even enjoy them. So, to each his/her own.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 15, 2012, 04:28:02 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 04:06:26 PM
Hmmm, I think Nichka turned out the lights and tossed in a pomegranate! >:D

Nichka went offline as soon as she sent Post #10, and hasn't been back. She obviously realised that she was opening a huge barrel of worms, not just a can.

Quote from: Lily on April 15, 2012, 04:00:37 PM
Dears, please calm down, please!
I understand that sometimes Russian language affords for more exact meaning of what you want to say, but please respect those who does not understand Russian. Online translations would not allow for an adequate translation anyway.

Very true - I'm not sure how rude Gator was trying to be, especially as he says he doesn't speak Russian! :ROFL:

Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 04:06:48 PM
It's a free country. We read enough Spanish or Italian here, so let us be us.

Sorry Doll, but you've lost me - what do you mean by "here" - the forum or the USA? The only Italian I can remember seeing on RWD is from Sandro, and he always provides a translation. I can't remember seeing any Spanish.

I'm not going to get involved in the various fights that are going on, although some are slightly entertaining. Returning to the actual topic, it's blindingly obvious that there are SEVERAL posters here who are not compatible with each other (and I'm sure that they are all very happy/thankful that they haven't even met >:D ). However, I tend to agree with the poster (I think it was happyandstable, but it was about 5 million posts ago) who said that any couple may be compatible (or not) - it has nothing to do with ethnicity, location or anything else. The chances may or may not be better if you stay within your own culture, but there is nothing to stop anyone in this internet age exploring other options.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Lily on April 15, 2012, 04:43:23 PM: Quote from: Doll on April 15, 2012, 04:06:48 PM
It's a free country. We read enough Spanish or Italian here, so let us be us.
You are right about being true to ourselves, but it is not a good practice to use the language that a number of others can not properly understand, especially if this language is used for personal attacks as it seems to be now.

Everyone please kndly abstain from using comments that target the other members personally. If there is nothing to say on the topic or for a meaningful reply, please don't post.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 05:01:55 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 03:00:01 PM
I agree, when you marry a foreigner respect her or him and be ready to be integrated into her or his cultural things, too. If you live in a nice place and that's him who can't find a decent job there and makes you relocate because of him that's at least strange if he is making you to relocate and to integrate for his convenience, too.

My point its I respect my husband, not necessarily his country. And if I heard this kind of “requirements” it would be a big red flag for me, because next thing would be drop everything Russian – traditions, holidays etc and become American and this would not be acceptable for me. I am not American. I am a russian person living on american soil. Imagine this – 10 years into our marriage and my husband called me first thing this morning with Христос Воскрес in perfect Russian and asked to save him an egg and a piece of Easter cake. He completely ignored Catholic Easter a week ago. I had him baptized into Russian Orthodox church. We selebrate Catholic Christmas, Russian Christmas and New Year russian style. He is integrating in to my culture as much than I am integrating into his. That’s what I call partnership.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 05:07:34 PM: Quote from: CG7 on April 15, 2012, 03:35:27 PM
DP, the first step in integration is learning the language, which I am guessing you have done?

As for the rest of your comment, fine by me.
I am happy you have found the other that would tolerate and accept you as you are, I wish you both nothing but the very best in life.

Well.. I started integrating into American culture at age 7 then… some 30 years prior to coming to this country… ;D ;D And thanks for best wishes. I have been happily married for over 10 years now and I need all the good wishes I can get.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 05:16:01 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 05:01:55 PM

He is integrating in to my culture as much than I am integrating into his. That’s what I call partnership.

One of my requirements was "he had to know Russia by his own experience", in some way already integrated.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: CG7 on April 15, 2012, 05:36:57 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 05:07:34 PM

Well.. I started integrating into American culture at age 7 then… some 30 years prior to coming to this country… ;D ;D And thanks for best wishes. I have been happily married for over 10 years now and I need all the good wishes I can get.

You are welcome.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 06:10:38 PM: I wonder how many newbies will read the threads of the past week and decide they no longer want a FSU wife? It certainy has painted a different picture of what we have read over most of the past year. It's also a different picture of what the tour guides, wingmen, etc. have painted.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 06:26:33 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 06:10:38 PM
I wonder how many newbies will read the threads of the past week and decide they no longer want a FSU wife? It certainy has painted a different picture of what we have read over most of the past year. It's also a different picture of what the tour guides, wingmen, etc. have painted.

My guess would be about zero.. maybe less.. :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Spoon on April 15, 2012, 06:28:29 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 06:10:38 PM
I wonder how many newbies will read the threads of the past week and decide they no longer want a FSU wife? It certainy has painted a different picture of what we have read over most of the past year. It's also a different picture of what the tour guides, wingmen, etc. have painted.

As they say, forewarned is forearmed ;) Better they find out now and decide, than 5 years down the track.

A little off topic (but has been covered in this thread) but I think a FSUW who leaves her home country to relocate will certainly leave behind some fondness for her former lifestyle and no doubt there will be things that she will gladly be rid of.
The same will apply in her new location, there will be aspects that she not assimilate with too well and (hopefully) there will be other factors that she will relate to and enjoy.

I'm fortunate that my RW and myself are both living in a Country independent to our respective home Countries, so we are immersing ourselves together ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 06:29:29 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 06:26:33 PM

My guess would be about zero.. maybe less.. :D
I agree, I wish some of them would change their mind though on realizing the fact that people are people everywhere. That would save them a lot of time and money.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 15, 2012, 06:51:09 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 06:29:29 PM
I agree, I wish some of them would change their mind though on realizing the fact that people are people everywhere. That would save them a lot of time and money.

but we all have a dream to chase... ;D sometimes I think it is the chase that may be the dream..
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vaughn on April 15, 2012, 07:15:42 PM: Quote from: Spoon on April 15, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
I'm fortunate that my RW and myself are both living in a Country independent to our respective home Countries, so we are immersing ourselves together ;)

I find that situation fascinating as I've thought about it many times. Tell us more, Spoon, if not here, then in a new thread - about the dual-immersion into language and culture. I assume it would be a very bonding thing to share.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 07:28:22 PM: Quote from: pitbull on April 15, 2012, 03:52:18 PM
Calmissile,

This is just another condescending comment about a woman from you! Vasilisa is perfectly fine just the way she is,there is no need for her to become "just like" OlgaH.
Pitbull, I'd recommend him to stop his search, but I know he won't, maybe he will read Indian or Thai girls are better and start looking there. I don't know what he has been doing till the age of 70.. honestly: riding a motorbike dating pub girls?! He doesn't know basic principles of treating decent women: NEVER compare one woman with another one, this principle is INTERNATIONAL.

I've heard of the stories when some AM were trying to send their wives back to Russia telling them they would file a divorce later, but those ones at least had a romantic stage in their life:romantic phone calls, flowers, etc.

Calmissile STARTED his search with attemps of accusing women of unrealistic expectations and sending a permanent resident who he hasn't even met back to Russia just because he didn't like what she said. I am afraid to imagine what the end is going to be if he finds an RW , brings her to the US and she says him something he doesn't like.. it's up to your imagination to guess. My imagination is giving me pretty sad pictures which are not good either for calmissile or the lady.

Calmissile, again: Most Russian women are not sweet and smilie. Because it's not a cultural thing to smile all the time. They can be nice if needed to please someone or if they are happy but it's not a cultural thing to look artificially positive all the time. Taking antidepressants is also not common in Russia, most people either drink or eat much when they are stressed out. That's it. Yes, the economy is worse than in the US, but it doesn't make them stupid. Many RW have a higher education and know and understand a lot more than you can imagine and have read a lot more books by the age of 30 than you have for your entire life. what it means?! It means that if you bring a nice and educated one to the US and treat her like she is your slave and is obliged to you she will pack her bags and move to another guy sooner or later.
I don't know what your biography is , but if you have had problems with dating teachers, engineers, etc in the US it will not work with the russian teachers , engineers, etc.

You can also see a lot of nice pictures of happily looking guys and girls, they may look happy but you never know what exactly is behind these pretty pictures, the truth may surprise you. For example on another forum, long time ago I met a guy, he brought a RW to the US, she is beautiful, they have almost 20 years old difference, they guy posted a lot of pictures and a lot of romantic stories about them and their new born child.

What is behind: the woman lived with another guy when they met, the romantic letters were not written by her, but by the agency, she didn't speak English at all. He FELL IN LOVE with her, so he decided to rent an apartment for her, so she would move out and didn't live with the Russian guy anymore as they were waiting for the visa. He paid for everything: entertainment ,English lessons, going on a vacation around Europe, laptop for her, etc. Now she doesn't work and going to college (he pays), how did I know all that: I met them in person, when I was talking to her I didn't feel like she was in love with him, why did she have the kid.. well, she said:"I am 35, when to have a kid if not now, besides, it is easier to prove to the migrational service that the marriage is real". When you look at the pictures they look like a loving couple with a child, a perfect one, she never tells anything bad about the US, no wonder, as she came from a very small Siberian town where the quality of life was very low. She is happy about what she has now, but she doesn't love him and remember: she doesn't work, he provides her financially.

My guess is that you have been told that Russian women are kind, intelligent, loyal, etc. they can be, but what you are offering them right now they can find in Russia. If you want young and beautiful you will have to pay a lot like the guy above. If you don't the young and beautiful will move on as soon as she gets a green card.

When people love they do a lot of crazy illogical things, I don't see any signs of love in you so far, you are looking for a convenient girl: no problems, drama free, American patriot, always nice and sweet. If you are not going to pay a lot then at least need to give the same in return, so far it looks like you are very emotional and the smallest thing which you don't like makes you lose your temper.

And you aren't dating yet, it's only a forum, a real life will be a lot more stressful, will you be as sweet and smiley when you don't like the fact that she sets the heater too high or takes a shower longer than you had expected, when she doesn't like the crude joke of your friend or the fact that you are wearing shoes in the house, or when she decides to buy curtains for the house. What are you going to do: yell at her and send her back to "F-king Russia"?!

Think about it.

If you are still interested I'd recommend to look in really small towns somewhere in the Far East, so far all RW I've met from there loved the US and everything in it and were afraid of an idea of going back.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 07:39:38 PM: And again: the economy in Russia is bad but it's not that bad as it used to be.
It means to get a better salary the woman doesn't need to leave her country-just move to a different place, like the North of Siberia, where the average salary is almost $2000 per month, she will probably have the guy who she will have equal relationship, too.

When she is looking abroad it means she is looking for something she can't get in Russia: a caring husband who would not tell her she is old at the age of 40, who doesn't cheat, who is a good provider, takes care of the children, etc, if all you can offer to a young, beautiful and educated one is life on a farm in the US and job of a cashier in the store think twice.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 15, 2012, 07:56:06 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 07:28:22 PM
My imagination is giving me pretty sad pictures which are not good either for calmissile or the lady.

My imagination is more optimistic. For a RW. As you said, us RW are anything but stupid. And you are right, we tend to read a lot. The times when RW were immigrating blindly are over. With internet being more widely available women are more informed. They know laws, they know lawyers. If they dont - there are multiple RW forums that teach them how to act in certain situations. So times when a man could send a wife home if he doent like her - are way over too. These women, as I said, are smart. So even if they would go home, they would not do it nicely, like good, obedient girls. I have witnessed it on multiple occasions on RW forums - nice, quiet girls came to complain on how to quietly leave a marriage with what turned out to be an a-hole, changed their minds quickly about "leaving quietly" and more over received concrete, useful information on how not do it by law. And if a guy is 70 yo, the process of dealing with it, could be harmful for both his health and his pocket. So my prognosis is more optimistic for a RW, but less so for the guy.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 15, 2012, 08:01:39 PM: Quote from: Vaughn on April 15, 2012, 07:15:42 PM

I find that situation fascinating as I've thought about it many times. Tell us more, Spoon, if not here, then in a new thread - about the dual-immersion into language and culture. I assume it would be a very bonding thing to share.

Vaughn, he's moved from New Zealand to Australia - there's not THAT much difference between the two countries! We do speak nearly the same language. :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 15, 2012, 08:10:19 PM: Quote from: Anotherkiwi on April 15, 2012, 08:01:39 PM

Vaughn, he's moved from New Zealand to Australia - there's not THAT much difference between the two countries! We do speak nearly the same language. :D

But what about the accents; and the slang words? That could take some years to master. And having to stay indoors until this process is complete.

And what about acclimating to the warmer temperatures?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 08:15:31 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 07:28:22 PM

Calmissile STARTED his search with attemps of accusing women of unrealistic expectations and sending a permanent resident who he hasn't even met back to Russia just because he didn't like what she said.

Vasilisa, as usual your own imagination prevails ;D

that what Calmissle said

Quote from: calmissile on March 30, 2012, 02:58:28 PM

Of the hundreds of women that I have corresponded with over the past year (Ukraine), this was a unique case. I am wondering how prevelant it is with FSU women. Your experiences in this vein?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 15, 2012, 08:36:27 PM: Quote from: newjason on April 15, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
LOL

That's one new thread that will be very interesting to read for sure.

If they are, may god have mercy on their souls.

Mercy on their souls... the men or the women? Both? :D
Your reaction is a little worse than that of my friend in Rostov. He says he could never date an AM and wonders how I can. I told him I used lots garlic. ;)
Anyway, during my meanderings through the world wide web I have met a few RM/AW marriages. I only got the woman's viewpoint, they were very happy. They were also very interested in Russian culture and enjoyed going there.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 08:39:10 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 08:15:31 PM
Vasilisa, as usual your own imagination prevails ;D

that what Calmissle said
So, what is that, what you showed, you want to say that the idea sending me back and offering to collect the money was the product of my imagination?!

In another thread started by me he also mentioned that what I am looking for is kinda unrealistic, too:"you are living in a dream world", so there have been at least 2 womEn with unrealistic expectations he has met so far.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 15, 2012, 08:43:20 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 01:30:35 AM

The "core" is probably different for different couples, because different people have different values. For me, the core was attitude toward family, raising a family, and God.

Like this:
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
Or am I misquoting another Russian author? ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 08:44:47 PM: Quote from: Kokopelli on April 15, 2012, 08:43:20 PM
Like this:
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
Or am I misquoting another Russian author? ;D

You are misquoting the opening line from Anna Karenina ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 08:54:03 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 08:39:10 PM
So, what is that, what you showed, you want to say that the idea sending me back and offering to collect the money was the product of my imagination?!

Vasilisa, he asked a question ;)

Quote from: calmissile on April 04, 2012, 04:09:50 PM
Vasilisa,

All of your complaints about the US and US men in particular, makes me wonder. Why don't you go back home and enjoy the men and culture of your own country?

Do you see a difference between question "why don't you?" and a statement "you have to..." or "we have to send you back" ;) BTW Did not he apologize to you?

If you saw his idea of sending a bride or a wife back to Russia you are very welcome to show me his post :)

Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 08:39:10 PM
In another thread started by me he also mentioned that what I am looking for is kinda unrealistic, too:"you are living in a dream world", so there have been at least 2 womEn with unrealistic expectations he has met so far.

Vasilisa would you be so kind to give me a link to his post about your unrealistic expectations?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 15, 2012, 08:57:00 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 15, 2012, 08:44:47 PM

You are misquoting the opening line from Anna Karenina ;)

Merci beaucoup. :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 15, 2012, 09:01:38 PM: Quote from: Kokopelli on April 15, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Merci beaucoup. :)

De rien :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Spoon on April 15, 2012, 09:04:55 PM: Quote from: Vaughn on April 15, 2012, 07:15:42 PM

I find that situation fascinating as I've thought about it many times. Tell us more, Spoon, if not here, then in a new thread - about the dual-immersion into language and culture. I assume it would be a very bonding thing to share.

Vaughn, Anotherkiwi is correct, I moved from NZ to Australia 4 years ago (mainly for work) and my wife has been here only 6 months.
It's true that there are a LOT of similarities between Australia and NZ and it's very easy for me to adapt (although where I work the summer temps can be 45˚C for weeks on end, so that was something new :) ).
My wife lived in the States for 3 years, so she too understood 'Western' life.
The 'bonding' experience comes from sharing new adventures, in a new country, that, although we both now call it 'home' is not where our roots are from.

Although I would say my RW is considerably more 'westernised' than many, she still retains a lot of those quintessential Russian qualities, that I wouldn't consider asking her to drop for a second :) It's more about adapting together - I will endeavour to adapt to some of her ways and vice versa.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 09:16:20 PM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 08:54:03 PM

Vasilisa, he asked a question ;)

Do you see a difference between question "why don't you?" and a statement "you have to..." or "we have to send you back" ;) BTW Did not he apologize to you?

If you saw his idea of sending a bride or a wife back to Russia you are very welcome to show me his post :)

Vasilisa would you be so kind to give me a link to his post about your unrealistic expectations?
Olga, I know you are trying hard to suck out more or less logical explanation to make it look not the way it was and this looks pathetic.
Especially because everybody knows that the idea was and that was why another thread was started. :D

Ok, Calmissile , that was a great start!
Olga, feel better?!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 09:40:36 PM: Quote from: Vasilisa on April 15, 2012, 09:16:20 PM
Olga, I know you are trying hard to suck out more or less logical explanation to make it look not the way it was and this looks pathetic.
Especially because everybody knows that the idea was and that was why another thread was started. :D

Ok, Calmissile , that was a great start!
Olga, feel better?!

Vasilisa, with you I don't need to try hard or put to much effort ;)

Your posts reminds me a joke about "women logic" :) and to me, using your own words if you don't mind, it looks pathetic. :)

The more I read your posts the more I wonder about a real cause of your divorce. Could that cause be your own imagination? Maybe. But what ever you say about your divorce I will take it as it is from your own words :) Again I wish you a good luck in dating and in finding your life partner. Just don't relay to much on your imagination ;) I have read the thread about your "divorced RW experience of dating in the US" and guys gave you some good advice.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 10:01:26 PM: There is a world of difference between forums and the real world, Olga.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 15, 2012, 10:07:12 PM: Vasilisa,

You certainly do have a vivid imagination. It seems you know very little about me other than my age. Your comments about me having problems dating local women (engineers,etc) are totally out of line and characteristic of your attacks on people when you know nothing about them.

There are at least 3 women that would marry me in a heartbeat, one of which is my ex-wife. She is Brazilian but has been in the US for more than 20 years. I would think that an ex-wife would be a good recommendation if she was wanting to remarry me. You really don't have a clue about me or my personal life, so get off your bashing kick. Your making yourself look foolish.

Furthermore, for your information I have no interest in dating or marrying someone in the age range you describe, so your comments are off base there also. Furthermore, it is none of your business what ages people are seeking each other. Get it! If you focused on your own life instead of sticking your nose in everone else's, you might have better success in your own endeavor.

I am sorry I was absent for a while, as I had to get some work done and was not available for your entertainment in real time.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 10:08:11 PM: Vasilisa, I understand your attitude toward calmissile, based on what he posted to you. However, I think each of you and calmissile are reading more into each other's posts than what is written. From his perspective, calmissile is throwing out ideas in an attempt to understand what he will face. It is not about finding someone compliant, but whether, culturally, he will find someone compatible.

Neither of you are wrong, you just have your own views of the world, and what you want.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 10:15:44 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 10:01:26 PM

There is a world of difference between forums and the real world, Olga.

Oh, no need to tell me ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 15, 2012, 10:30:07 PM: :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Anotherkiwi on April 15, 2012, 10:30:48 PM: Quote from: ML on April 15, 2012, 08:10:19 PM
But what about the accents; and the slang words? That could take some years to master. And having to stay indoors until this process is complete.

And what about acclimating to the warmer temperatures?

No probs, cobber - we're flooded with Australian TV shows so, whether we like it or not, we end up assimilating their lingo. Most of us are fluent (or nearly so) in Australian, and the only people who can tell New Zealanders and Australians apart by the way they sound are...New Zealanders and Australians! To everyone else we sound the same :'( , which only goes to prove that most people in the world do NOT use their ears very well.

As for the temperatures - definitely a problem for most, as we don't get anywhere near the 40 to 50 degrees that some parts of Australia reach in summer. A hot day here in Auckland is 28, although parts of the South Island get into the mid-30s. Even in India the hottest day I experienced was "only" 38.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 15, 2012, 10:49:39 PM: Quote from: ML on April 15, 2012, 08:10:19 PM
But what about the accents; and the slang words? That could take some years to master.

I also would recommend to learn some Russian foul language not for use but to be able to recognize it. For example, does it bother you when an AW/WW uses a word f-k or other similar words and expression in every sentence or often in her speech? So, I guess it should bother you when an RW uses a foul language communicating in Russian.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:08:28 AM: Everyone,
Thank you very much for your participation.
To be honest, I am newbie at this forum, therefore I am a little confused as of why instead of helping each other and exchanging with opinions and experiences of AM & RW compatibility, along with the problems that you had run into with your foreign partner etc many of you just arguing and trying to prove each other who is better or smarter. Let’s just give each other an opportunity to share its own opinion, ups and downs in his cross-cultural relationships? How about that?
For example, I was thinking, what was making me crazy while I was dating AM?! Hm, probably, when he would come into my house and wouldn’t take his shoes off. In Russia it will be considered being disrespectful to woman and her attempt to keep her house clean.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 16, 2012, 11:13:13 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
For example, I was thinking, what was making me crazy while I was dating AM?! Hm, probably, when he would come into my house and wouldn’t take his shoes off. In Russia it will be considered being disrespectful to woman and her attempt to keep her house clean.

Did you ever tell the men you were dating this? Honestly, I don't quite understand this either. However, growing up on a farm where we had boots covered in manure, it was a given that we would take off footwear ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:17:04 AM: Well Misha, thank you for your response. No way I am trying to offend any AM here , but just express what I didn't like. Yes I did say that I prefer sheos to be taken off , though still after living in USA fior the past 10 years, when I have party in my house and my American guests coming 70% of them would keep their shoes on, saying that " nobody takes shoes off when coming over smbdy's house"
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 16, 2012, 11:19:36 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
For example, I was thinking, what was making me crazy while I was dating AM?! Hm, probably, when he would come into my house and wouldn’t take his shoes off. In Russia it will be considered being disrespectful to woman and her attempt to keep her house clean.

Nichka, don't be so pleasant here if you want to fit in. You need to use some cuss words or at least very derogatory words about such men.

But more seriously, this is a cultural difference. One should not expect that those from a different culture will automatically do things or act the way you expect . . . unless you give some direction.

Actually, I have not allowed shoes in my house since the early days I spent in Japan as a young man. But I know, since it is unusual, that I must ask my guests to remove their shoes. I wouldn't expect them to do it otherwise, since it is not common here. And, I have stopped inviting a few people over the years who have put up a fuss about it.

Also, I do furnish several pairs of slippers and big roomy socks because many people, including myself, get cold feet without a lot of insulation around the feet.

In short, I think many of the things that annoy people are due to themselves not fully explaining the 'rules' that they expect. Sure, you can say that others should 'study up' on these rules, but that is expecting a bit much.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:25:09 AM: Thank you ML.
Just to be clear here , I am not trying to fit anywhere, nor I would use words which I ussually don't use unless I am pissed off. Hope you understand me here .Thank you
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 16, 2012, 11:26:00 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
I have party in my house and my American guests coming 70% of them would keep their shoes on, saying that " nobody takes shoes off when coming over smbdy's house"

They were certainly rude, and I would certainly never invite them to my home ever again. IMHO, one can set rules for one's house. I wouldn't allow people to smoke in my home either :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 16, 2012, 11:32:52 AM: Quote from: nichka on Today at 01:17:04 PM (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14582.msg294810#msg294810)I have party in my house and my American guests coming 70% of them would keep their shoes on, saying that " nobody takes shoes off when coming over smbdy's house"

Quote from: Misha on April 16, 2012, 11:26:00 AM

They were certainly rude, and I would certainly never invite them to my home ever again. IMHO, one can set rules for one's house. I wouldn't allow people to smoke in my home either :)

But Nichka didn't clearly state whether she had expressed her 'strong' preferences to these guests re the rules. I found that if I didn't word in a strong way, that people would just assume I was asking them to remove their shoes for their own comfort; and under such assumption would feel free to decline my offer affecting their comfort.

Also, no smoking in my house or anywhere in my presence.
Have lost several FSU gals with this, and annoyed a lot of FSU business people. Luckily they need me and I don't need them.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 16, 2012, 11:34:04 AM: I have party in my house and my American guests coming 70% of them would keep their shoes on, saying that " nobody takes shoes off when coming over smbdy's house"

I have never experience someone this rude, but had it been my party I would have politely asked them to leave. They are a guest in your home and it's your rules.

Sometimes removing the shoes is not only for cleanliness, it is also because spiked heels leave dings in wooden floors as well as some mens shoes leave black heel marks.

If you are firm with the first person that does not want to remove their shoes, the rest of the guests will likely comply.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 11:35:23 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 16, 2012, 11:26:00 AM

They were certainly rude, and I would certainly never invite them to my home ever again. IMHO, one can set rules for one's house. I wouldn't allow people to smoke in my home either :)
Except the firemen.

On the topic of shoes: by keeping the shoes very visible near the door people might take the hint faster.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 16, 2012, 11:41:48 AM: Quote from: calmissile on April 16, 2012, 11:34:04 AM
They are a guest in your home and it's your rules.

But again, you must give some forewarning to people about these rules AND you must furnish slippers or roomy socks.

Without forewarning, gals may come with nylons and heels. They take off the shoes and risk ruining the nylons when they walk on rough tile, etc. It can also screw up their entire 'look.'

And some men wouldn't want to risk leaving their $400 pair of shoes unattended.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 16, 2012, 11:43:08 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
Everyone,
Thank you very much for your participation.
To be honest, I am newbie at this forum, therefore I am a little confused as of why instead of helping each other and exchanging with opinions and experiences of AM & RW compatibility, along with the problems that you had run into with your foreign partner etc many of you just arguing and trying to prove each other who is better or smarter. Let’s just give each other an opportunity to share its own opinion, ups and downs in his cross-cultural relationships? How about that?
For example, I was thinking, what was making me crazy while I was dating AM?! Hm, probably, when he would come into my house and wouldn’t take his shoes off. In Russia it will be considered being disrespectful to woman and her attempt to keep her house clean.

Nichka this is perhaps the most intelligent thing I have seen in any forum post ever period. I share this sentiment with you whole heartedly. As far is not taking off your shoes at the request of the home owner that is just plain rude and I would not waste my time with people like that if I where you. If on the other hand you did not let it be known these are the house rules then you need to explain it to them. Again if at that point they give you any kind of excuse for not removing their shoes politely show them to the door and say nice knowing you. It is your home you have a right to have things the way you like it plain and simple. So when you invite me over I’ll know to take off my shoes.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:43:45 AM: ML... here is another one with smoking policy , ML.
For instance, the majority of FSU population is smoking. Smoking in the bars, restaurants ( less these days) , etc. It is probably cultural thing. I don't mind myself not to smoke in smbdy's house , but outside/on a balcony/etc ... absolutely. If I cant enjoy my evening up to full extent , in my case, I need to have a cup of coffee and a cigarette, I simply won't go.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 11:50:19 AM: This is America, not Asia. When people dress to come to my home for a wine party I wouldn't dream of asking them to cheapen their look because of my hardwood & stone floors. Honestly, the host is more rude by asking people to do something they aren't comfortable with. And smoking? If its outside who cares?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 11:55:31 AM: Thank you , Happyandstable.
Here is my response ... Being RW I would assume that is just a common sense to take shoes off when coming at smbdy's house. Hospitality of RW would not let me be same rude to my guests and show them the door once they ignore my request. I prefer to not destroy party and make everyone comfortable, but at the same time it bothers me. I respect tradition of many American people to not take their shoes off, that is why I am not judging here , but just outlining the difference.

ML, I would not have guests over my house who would be afraid to take off their 400$ shoes in my house. People with whom I have no trust are simply not welcome.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 11:59:46 AM: No trust is what Nitchka? Jesus, call the contractors to have your floors buffed out. If you have the amazing floors & are entertaining already, STHU.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 16, 2012, 12:01:57 PM: Quote from: ML on April 16, 2012, 11:41:48 AM
And some men wouldn't want to risk leaving their $400 pair of shoes unattended.

Do Americans routinely go and steal shoes when attending a house party :o
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 16, 2012, 12:04:11 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
asking them to cheapen their look

Living in the land of ice and snow, we have to take off our boots much of the year otherwise there would be pools of water and slush all over the house ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:05:57 PM: I mean what the hell is this? "oh I am poor Russian woman who scrubs floor on my hands & knees but please have some wine & cheese".. Passive aggressive much?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:08:30 PM: Miri,

Individuals who are afraid that their shoes worth 400$ will get stolen in my house - are not people who will be invited. Strangers are ussually not getting invited in my house. My friends though would never think of anything like this.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:11:58 PM: First of all no one thinks their shoes are being stolen from your house, again this is America. Hire housekeepers. Good lord.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:14:43 PM: Jesus woman, do people steal expensive shoes from a house party in Russia? That only happens here in the ghetto.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:23:16 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:05:57 PM
I mean what the hell is this? "oh I am poor Russian woman who scrubs floor on my hands & knees but please have some wine & cheese".. Passive aggressive much?

Miri,
I am not going to argue with you. Neither am I trying to say that “I am a poor woman who is scrubbing the floors...” In my opinion, taking off your shoes - is simply an indication of respect to a woman.
Once again, back to the original post, that is another cultural difference. In FSU it will not even be discussed or questioned.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 16, 2012, 12:28:57 PM: Miri22,

Removing shoes at the door is very practical due to dirty streets, dirty corridors, and slush and salt in the winter. While practical, it has become an almost religious ceremony such as giving the sign of the cross upon entering a church.

That is the way it is. You will lose this argument with most RW. So be sure to write in your profile and correspondence "This man does not take his shoes off for anybody."
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 16, 2012, 12:30:11 PM: nichka,

Thank you for blessing our forum and demonstrating that many RW are not argumentative.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:30:57 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:14:43 PM
Jesus woman, do people steal expensive shoes from a house party in Russia? That only happens here in the ghetto.

Please keep up with the logical thread of the forum correspondence. You totally missing the point here as well as you are not following who is writing what. I would appreciate you be respectful and at minimum get your attitude a bit adjusted.
All I am trying to say here is that we do have certain differences , and if I can give a heads up to at least one AM who is planning to date RW and he would consider taking his shoes off when visiting her ... I'd be happy.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:35:11 PM: Quote from: Gator on April 16, 2012, 12:30:11 PM
nichka,

Thank you for blessing our forum and demonstrating that many RW are not argumentative.
Thank you Gator. I can't say I am not argumentative, indeed I am and very, but only to things that arev really important and worth arguing. I am the woman, therefore should be smart and patient. Some might not appreciate it, but I can care less. I was raised this way and that is who I am. I have my rules in life, others have theirs and if we can meet somewhere in the middle with the "Respect to each other" being a foundation, I can say my life is good.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:38:58 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 16, 2012, 12:01:57 PM

Do Americans routinely go and steal shoes when attending a house party :o

LMAO Misha
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:40:50 PM: If you're that "smart & patient" you should hit your man up for housekeepers. That's smart.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gylden on April 16, 2012, 12:41:49 PM: Good to see that some are of the same thinking as us. We don't wear shoes in our house either, but it is customary here in Norway to take off your shoes in the entrance room.
Here for the moat private parties in the home are more intimate and people are friends, so there is no need to impress everyone with your style. OTOH larger parties with more people are often in rented halls or such and then no one takes their shoes off. We have grown accustomed to this and I feel now a little uncomfortable not taking off my shoes when visiting friends in the US.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 12:43:13 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:05:57 PM
I mean what the hell is this? "oh I am poor Russian woman who scrubs floor on my hands & knees but please have some wine & cheese".. Passive aggressive much?
So if you hire cleaners it is ok to make the floors dirty ? Slaves will clean the mess, no worries...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:47:35 PM: Gee, let's see.. She's the one who wants to come here to USA for a better life because apparently people in Russia steal shoes at wine parties.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:52:36 PM: Quote from: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 12:43:13 PM
So if you hire cleaners it is ok to make the floors dirty ? Slaves will clean the mess, no worries...

I am with youi shadow. Besides the fact that wearing shoes will make floors dirty, bring germs ion the house where kids might be ... It is simply being respectful, having good manners
Same as if you are invited to the house with ther small kids, you will not come empty handed and bring kids toys and treats
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 12:53:01 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
Gee, let's see.. She's the one who wants to come here to USA for a better life because apparently people in Russia steal shoes at wine parties.
In Russia they do not steal shoes. They just forget at which party the left them. :P
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:53:23 PM: I guess in this circumstance is the issue of whom you invite to your home. My God, I would never invite thieves and people of unjust character. What the hell?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 16, 2012, 12:53:50 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
This is America, not Asia. When people dress to come to my home for a wine party I wouldn't dream of asking them to cheapen their look because of my hardwood & stone floors. Honestly, the host is more rude by asking people to do something they aren't comfortable with. And smoking? If its outside who cares?

Norway has "no shoes" etiquette. It's considered incredibly rude not to take your shoes off in someone else's house here and no matter where I lived, no one would enter our house without taking their shoes off in the entrance hall.

And why not? Do you know what you walk on with your shoes and how dirty they are? At best you've probably walked over cat and dog piss. And if you drag that into a home it'll be all over the place eventually, bed included. Just because it's not visibly dirty doesn't make it any less disgusting. We like to walk around the house in socks and bear feet - underfloor heating you know - and the last thing I'd want to think is that I'm walking on 2nd hand dog wee. :rolleyes: Seriously, were you and your guests dragged up with no inkling of what hygiene is? I have a related pet theory and it goes something like this; Western men are always so impressed by FSUW cleanliness, not because those women are particularly clean, but because Western men, American in particular, are exceedingly dirty.

EDIT: sorry, accidently hit the wrong button
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 16, 2012, 12:54:45 PM: Miri, meet Donnie Brasco,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NewqTCakQ3Q
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:56:09 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
Gee, let's see.. She's the one who wants to come here to USA for a better life because apparently people in Russia steal shoes at wine parties.

That is absolutely out of control Miri. Firs of all I have been living in USA for the past 10 years. Secondly , ML came up with the possibility of stealing shoes at the parties? What are you talking about????
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 12:57:18 PM: Quote from: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
In Russia they do not steal shoes. They just forget at which party the left them. :P
LMAO... that is true
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 12:57:44 PM: It is common here to take shoes off as well, as we have 6.5 months of winter/slush. However, if either I or my husband sense someone is uncomfortable with this, one of us will say "Don't bother taking off your shoes." There is about a 50/50 chance the shoes will be removed.

There are anti bacterial mats one can purchase which kill all bacteria when the soles of the shoes are wiped just once. The mats do have to be replaced with time.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 01:00:12 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:53:23 PM
I guess in this circumstance is the issue of whom you invite to your home. My God, I would never invite thieves and people of unjust character. What the hell?
Let me tell you I have known thieves that were to be trusted more as 'respectable' people.
And removed their shoes when entering our home. After all they could always find a better pair when going out.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:00:52 PM: Quote from: Ade on April 16, 2012, 12:53:50 PM

Norway has "no shoes" etiquette. It's considered incredibly rude not to take your shoes off in someone else's house here and no matter where I lived, no one would enter our house without taking their shoes off in the entrance hall.

And why not? Do you know what you walk on with your shoes and how dirty they are? At best you've probably walked over cat and dog piss. And if you drag that into a home it'll be all over the place eventually, bed included. Just because it's not visibly dirty doesn't make it any less disgusting. We like to walk around the house in socks and bear feet - underfloor heating you know - and the last thing I'd want to think is that I'm walking on 2nd hand dog wee. :rolleyes: Seriously, were you and your guests dragged up with no inkling of what hygiene is? I have a related pet theory and it goes something like this; Western men are always so impressed by FSUW cleanliness, not because those women are particularly clean, but because Western men, American in particular, are exceedingly dirty.

Ade, it is increadible how for some people simple rule of hygene like take your shoes off when entering home seems to be too much to ask about.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:05:59 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 12:57:44 PM

There are anti bacterial mats one can purchase which kill all bacteria when the soles of the shoes are wiped just once. The mats do have to be replaced with time.

On ballerina slippers and other smooth soles perhaps. ;)

Seriously, think about it for a minute. And if you walk around the house in slippers and/or unclad feet, really, do you want to be walking where some person has had their "wiped once" piss covered winter shoes (which, by definition, will hardly be flat soled). You understand how bad some men's public toilets are, right?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:11:59 PM: I understand that, but some people are hesitant. I usually mop the floors and vacuum the carpets after they leave.

I'd rather someone be comfortable in my home.

I walk around barefoot at home, the kids usually wear socks, hubby always wears slippers.

BTW, there is a fair amount of medical research that exposure to pathogens and dirt is better for children, as it builds immunities. There is a theory that Crohn's disease is caused by a lack of exposure to pathogens in childhood.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 01:13:20 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 12:53:23 PM
I guess in this circumstance is the issue of whom you invite to your home. My God, I would never invite thieves and people of unjust character. What the hell?

Miri22, ML made the comment of the stolen shoes (certainly with his usual dry humor), not Nichka.. So relax or take a break from the thread for a while.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 16, 2012, 01:13:50 PM: Sense when did this tread become about shoe hygiene? Nichka do not waste you time or thoughts on people that only want to spread their particular brand of malcontented world view on you ( I do understand the commonsense approach to taking one shoes off before entering the home).Shame on you Miri22 we finally get another female around here that is intelligent and polite and you go all native on her. Back to your original question Nichka I think you are very compatible with AM keep those good post coming! (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/jumping0045.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-jumping.html)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 16, 2012, 01:16:48 PM: Quote from: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:05:59 PM

And if you walk around the house in slippers and/or unclad feet, really, do you want to be walking where some person has had their "wiped once" piss covered winter shoes (which, by definition, will hardly be flat soled).
Urine is a sterile bodily fluid unless.....
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You understand how bad some men's public toilets are, right?

Surely not in Russia because Russians are clean and Americans exceedingly dirty.
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Western men are always so impressed by FSUW cleanliness, not because those women are particularly clean, but because Western men, American in particular, are exceedingly dirty.

I guess you heard this from reliable sources familiar with all categories of Americans. Is it true that UK expats, because they are lovers of dogs, have fleas and intestinal worms?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 01:19:09 PM: Quote from: Gator on April 16, 2012, 01:16:48 PM
Is it true that UK expats, because they are lovers of dogs, have fleas and intestinal worms?
What I have heard only the ones that live in Korea. ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:19:59 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
I usually mop the floors and vacuum the carpets after they leave.

I'd rather someone be comfortable in my home.

I walk around barefoot at home, the kids usually wear socks, hubby always wears slippers.

BTW, there is a fair amount of medical research that exposure to pathogens and dirt is better for children, as it builds immunities. There is a theory that Crohn's disease is caused by a lack of exposure to pathogens in childhood.

Touché ;) but I think I had my fair share of pathogens as a kid; my parents, working class you know, were typical, wore shoes in the house like an average Yankee. Damn, I ate more than my fair share of dirt and worms too I think. :TMI: Not sure if pee, dog or otherwise, would help reduce the likelihood of Crohn's though.

Also, I think people feel uncomfortable here if they see someone with their shoes on in the house when they have none. So, making the majority feel uncomfortable for a very small minority would be just silly. But I understand different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:24:39 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
There is a theory that Crohn's disease is caused by a lack of exposure to pathogens in childhood.

PS. There are a lot of different theories on what causes Crohn's. It's a real pity that no one can prove any of them conclusively. My theory is that there are probably many possible triggers but the potential is gene based; if you have the right (wrong) gene and you happen to be exposed to the right trigger, you're buggered, as it were.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:25:30 PM: :offtopic:
The next interesting fact to me was that AM are used to guess why his woman is upset ! As well as they are kind of shocked when you tell them right away what is wrong.I am used to say straight forward what I don’t like or upset about. I would not say my man:” If you don’t know why I am upset, I am not telling you”. The majority of RW would do the same. I would rather resolve every issue on the spot than hold it inside waiting for the opportunity to explode. AM, what do you think about this?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 01:27:44 PM: Quote from: Ade on April 16, 2012, 12:53:50 PM

We like to walk around the house in socks and bear feet ...

Damn, that has to be a real conversation starter there! :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:30:06 PM: :)
Quote from: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:19:59 PM

Touché ;) but I think I had my fair share of pathogens as a kid; my parents, working class you know, were typical, wore shoes in the house like an average Yankee. Damn, I ate more than my fair share of dirt and worms too I think
.

That part of my post was not directed at you, Ade. I didn't mean that post as anything more than an interesting (to me, anyway) tidbit of knowledge. I only know it because my sister does research in that area, and told me, when my kids were little, not to be paranoid about a "sterile" environment. They each did eat backyard dirt, but, only once. :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:31:53 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 01:27:44 PM

Damn, that has to be a real conversation starter there! :D

Funny thing, I used to have big furry novelty slippers with claws on them. ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 16, 2012, 01:32:32 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 16, 2012, 12:01:57 PM

Do Americans routinely go and steal shoes when attending a house party :o
Nah, we look for small "pawnable" items. ;D
Ooh, look. A Cuisinart.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:34:19 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:30:06 PM
:) .

That part of my post was not directed at you, Ade. I didn't mean that post as anything more than an interesting (to me, anyway) tidbit of knowledge. I only know it because my sister does research in that area, and told me, when my kids were little, not to be paranoid about a "sterile" environment. They each did eat backyard dirt, but, only once. :)

Not a problem. ;)

And yes, I know about the dangers of too much hygiene as well. But, I think kids get enough dog pee quota rolling around in the garden without needing it on the floors of the living room. :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 16, 2012, 01:35:24 PM: Quote from: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
I understand that, but some people are hesitant. I usually mop the floors and vacuum the carpets after they leave.

I'd rather someone be comfortable in my home.

I walk around barefoot at home, the kids usually wear socks, hubby always wears slippers.

BTW, there is a fair amount of medical research that exposure to pathogens and dirt is better for children, as it builds immunities. There is a theory that Crohn's disease is caused by a lack of exposure to pathogens in childhood.
They also use to play outside; no video games etc.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 16, 2012, 01:36:53 PM: (http://www.momgoesgreen.com/wp-content//shoes-off-mat.jpg)
Your house, your rules.
Unless they have "stinkfoot" or something like that..
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:38:19 PM: Quote from: Kokopelli on April 16, 2012, 01:32:32 PM
Nah, we look for small "pawnable" items. ;D
Ooh, look. A Cuisinart.

Ahaahahahah 8)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:41:13 PM: Quote from: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:34:19 PM
And yes, I know about the dangers of too much hygiene as well. But, I think kids get enough dog pee quota rolling around in the garden without needing it on the floors of the living room. :D

There are no dogs in our backyard, and my better half used a sling shot on cats' butts to condition them that our backyard was a no go zone. However, my boys, before starting school, had a habit of peeing in the backyard when playing outside, despite my repeated (and ignored) requests that they come indoors like civilized children. So, I guess it all evened out. :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 16, 2012, 01:42:35 PM: Quote from: Ade on April 16, 2012, 01:31:53 PM

Funny thing, I used to have big furry novelty slippers with claws on them. ;)
(http://www.randomfunnypictures.org/funny-pictures/funny-picture-19674.jpg)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 01:44:37 PM: Quote from: Kokopelli on April 16, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
(http://www.randomfunnypictures.org/funny-pictures/funny-picture-19674.jpg)

Now those are some nice eyes!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 16, 2012, 01:44:48 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
:offtopic:
The next interesting fact to me was that AM are used to guess why his woman is upset ! As well as they are kind of shocked when you tell them right away what is wrong.I am used to say straight forward what I don’t like or upset about. I would not say my man:” If you don’t know why I am upset, I am not telling you”. The majority of RW would do the same. I would rather resolve every issue on the spot than hold it inside waiting for the opportunity to explode. AM, what do you think about this?

I for one find that a refreshing additude. What a concept comunication! Less guess work and more understanding about what is borthering your better half. What will be next mutal respect and admiration! Brave new world we live in Thank YOU nichka (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/yolks-messengers/grin.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/yolks-for-messengers.html)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:57:03 PM: The other question I am extremely curious about is for AM / foreign men. What are the most difficulties that you had been dealing with in order to attract and make your RW fall for you?
I would like to thank all of you in advance.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 02:01:10 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
The other question I am extremely curious about is for AM / foreign men. What are the most difficulties that you had been dealing with in order to attract and make your RW fall for you?
I would like to thank all of you in advance.

Smuggling my tranquilizer darts through Ukrainian customs! :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 02:06:11 PM: Make them fall for you? Lol. It's greenbacks, dinero, cash pile, Benjamin's.. You know, so you have housekeepers and don't have to scrub the hardwood floors anymore.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 16, 2012, 02:07:53 PM: For me that is still a work in progress. In an unrelated note(Thanks for your help Daveman)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 02:16:37 PM: Did I forget to mention the hugely better quality of life in the US and green cards and HOUSEKEEPERS? Yeah, I'm sure those hot women want to come here and struggle paycheck to paycheck. Lmao. Puh-leez.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 02:18:46 PM: Actually men, I'm sure it was "your eyes" that hooked her.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 16, 2012, 02:19:03 PM: Quote from: Kokopelli on April 16, 2012, 01:32:32 PM
Nah, we look for small "pawnable" items. ;D
Ooh, look. A Cuisinart.

LOL! :ROFL:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 16, 2012, 02:22:29 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
The other question I am extremely curious about is for AM / foreign men. What are the most difficulties that you had been dealing with in order to attract and make your RW fall for you?
I would like to thank all of you in advance.

Seriously, I simply dated until I found a woman who fell for me. For her, it happened within a minutes. Though, she does remind me often that she fell for me first :o
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 16, 2012, 02:32:02 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 16, 2012, 02:22:29 PM

Seriously, I simply dated until I found a woman who fell for me. For her, it happened within a minutes. Though, she does remind me often that she fell for me first :o

Nine times out of ten it seems to happen that way IMHO
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 02:32:39 PM: Wait! We should go with how "she wanted to craft s life with me" whilst you were already sound. Im suuuuuure she wanted to leave her homeland, friends & everyone for YOU and the nothing you can provide for her. With your past bankruptcy, middlesgeness, pudge and lack of ability in bed. Lmao. It's all settled with a huge cash pile.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 02:41:35 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
Wait! We should go with how "she wanted to craft s life with me" whilst you were already sound. Im suuuuuure she wanted to leave her homeland, friends & everyone for YOU and the nothing you can provide for her. With your past bankruptcy, middlesgeness, pudge and lack of ability in bed. Lmao. It's all settled with a huge cash pile.

So, would it be safe to assume that, in your opinion, AM and RW are NOT compatible?? >:D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 02:44:20 PM: Totally compatible for the exchange.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 16, 2012, 02:57:12 PM: Miri22,
Perhaps it would be easier to understand your point of view if you listed your age, sex, and current country of residence in your profile.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 03:02:51 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 16, 2012, 02:22:29 PM

Seriously, I simply dated until I found a woman who fell for me. For her, it happened within a minutes. Though, she does remind me often that she fell for me first :o

My wife and I have a typically perfect Love/Hate relationship... I love her; she hates me. Ahhh, the joys of marriage... ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 05:14:07 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
:offtopic:
The next interesting fact to me was that AM are used to guess why his woman is upset ! As well as they are kind of shocked when you tell them right away what is wrong.I am used to say straight forward what I don’t like or upset about. I would not say my man:” If you don’t know why I am upset, I am not telling you”. The majority of RW would do the same. I would rather resolve every issue on the spot than hold it inside waiting for the opportunity to explode. AM, what do you think about this?

I never really played that game. If my partner seemed in a bad mood, whatever, I'd simply ask her about it. If she didn't want to tell me, or played "If you don't already know then there is no reason to tell you" game, I merely wouldn't respond with the attention she wanted. I'd say something like "okay, I won't press you but if you feel like talking you know I'm here for you" -- then I'd go off and do my own thing.

I like your way better. Just say what is on your mind and let's let the conversation/situation/argument/whatever go where it will.

Of course, I have also been know to do many weird things as well, like make goofy faces at my partner in the middle of her argument... That leads to some very interesting interaction sometimes.. :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 16, 2012, 05:18:11 PM: Of course, I have also been know to do many weird things as well, like make goofy faces at my partner in the middle of her argument... That leads to some very interesting interaction sometimes..

Now that would be worth seeing a video of. :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 05:19:10 PM: Tripe? Lol.. If in the end what I can say is the purest profile of an AM seeking FSUW is that sex trumps everything. Iveb
Been witness & participant.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 05:30:43 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 05:19:10 PM
Tripe? Lol.. If in the end what I can say is the purest profile of an AM seeking FSUW is that sex trumps everything. Iveb
Been witness & participant.

O.....K.... witness and participant to what exactly?

Yeah, in its purest form, sex does have a propensity, proclivity, peckerectory to trump everything.. especially common sense..
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 16, 2012, 05:53:18 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 03:02:51 PM

My wife and I have a typically perfect Love/Hate relationship... I love her; she hates me. Ahhh, the joys of marriage... ;D

Upgrade from typically perfect to silver perfect trying to switch your roles periodically ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 16, 2012, 05:56:44 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 05:14:07 PM

I never really played that game...

you missed all the fun :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 16, 2012, 06:26:10 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
:offtopic:
The next interesting fact to me was that AM are used to guess why his woman is upset ! ...... I would rather resolve every issue on the spot than hold it inside waiting for the opportunity to explode. AM, what do you think about this?

This is relevant, not off-topic. IMO it is never good to go to sleep angry or upset. Yes, get it out.
My ex-wife (Moscow woman) was good about grabbing my shirt collar and demanding that we resolve the issue then and now. I liked that. Most men like that, unless they are hiding something or delaying the inevitable.

Some women just need to take a "time out." It may be a day or two. I don't like that. However, I can live with it.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 06:30:57 PM: Do you see how no one responds? Jeez.. The women want a USA lifestyle and it's traded for cash.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Admin on April 16, 2012, 06:35:19 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 06:30:57 PM
Do you see how no one responds? Jeez.. The women want a USA lifestyle and it's traded for cash.

What an uplifting, positive, illuminating, revelationary post. [/sarcasm OFF]

Do you feel better now with a response?

- Dan
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 16, 2012, 06:42:40 PM: Darn, the gal with the beautiful pair of eyes is now on the previous page.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 16, 2012, 07:11:40 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
This is America, not Asia. When people dress to come to my home for a wine party I wouldn't dream of asking them to cheapen their look because of my hardwood & stone floors. Honestly, the host is more rude by asking people to do something they aren't comfortable with. And smoking? If its outside who cares?

Rude to show respect to someones property, eh? I always thought that it was a very american feature. But obviously not on all social levels.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Donna_Pedro on April 16, 2012, 07:17:24 PM: Quote from: calmissile on April 16, 2012, 02:57:12 PM
Miri22,
Perhaps it would be easier to understand your point of view if you listed your age, sex, and current country of residence in your profile.

nah.. closing gestalts is easier when done anonymously.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Admin on April 16, 2012, 07:36:14 PM: Quote from: Donna_Pedro on April 16, 2012, 07:17:24 PM

nah.. closing gestalts is easier when done anonymously.

Interesting . . . .

Being moderately familiar with the concepts of Gestalt Therapy (could never understand the value of screaming at an empty chair), I had never seen the phrase "closing gestalts."

It appears to be rooted in substance abuse programs, or at least that is where I most often found it described. While related to the same principles as Gestalt Therapy, it is curious that you suggest it is best done anonymously, as Gestalt Therapy is quite dependent on the therapist/patient relationship.

I very well may not understand the context of your comment about closing gestalts. This is an individual process - yes? If so, are you suggesting Miri is closing his/her own gestalts - or seeking to close (or impact) other's?

- Dan
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 16, 2012, 08:32:51 PM: Me thinks somebody's been in the liquor cabinet :P
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: GQBlues on April 16, 2012, 08:53:45 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
...The next interesting fact to me was that AM are used to guess why his woman is upset ! As well as they are kind of shocked when you tell them right away what is wrong.

I can't say that to be typical of AMs I know.

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I am used to say straight forward what I don’t like or upset about. I would not say my man:” If you don’t know why I am upset, I am not telling you”. The majority of RW would do the same. I would rather resolve every issue on the spot than hold it inside waiting for the opportunity to explode. AM, what do you think about this?

This I can say to be typical of RWs I know. Not surprising really considering none of them ever admit they are ever in the wrong.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 09:04:52 PM: Quote from: GQBlues on April 16, 2012, 08:53:45 PM

...
This I can say to be typical of RWs I know. Not surprising really considering none of them ever admit they are ever in the wrong.

Though they will admit they were "not as right as they would or could have been" (when you really push it to the point where further denial makes them feel completely stupid), but that was only because they were somehow reacting to what YOU did, so it's your fault when they are "not exactly as right as they would have been had you not forced them, against their will, to react to you in some way"...

That's about as far as I can figure it before I'm also in the liquor cabinet...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: GQBlues on April 16, 2012, 09:24:53 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 09:04:52 PM

Though they will admit they were "not as right as they would or could have been" (when you really push it to the point where further denial makes them feel completely stupid), but that was only because they were somehow reacting to what YOU did, so it's your fault when they are "not exactly as right as they would have been had you not forced them, against their will, to react to you in some way"...

That's about as far as I can figure it before I'm also in the liquor cabinet...

LOL. You're far more analytical than I can ever be Daveman. I just simply admit I'm wrong and act very shocked! :P
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Shadow on April 16, 2012, 11:11:52 PM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
Did I forget to mention the hugely better quality of life in the US and green cards and HOUSEKEEPERS? Yeah, I'm sure those hot women want to come here and struggle paycheck to paycheck. Lmao. Puh-leez.
It seems you are perfectly aware of yur personal qualities.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 17, 2012, 01:34:06 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
:offtopic:
The next interesting fact to me was that AM are used to guess why his woman is upset ! As well as they are kind of shocked when you tell them right away what is wrong.I am used to say straight forward what I don’t like or upset about. I would not say my man:” If you don’t know why I am upset, I am not telling you”. The majority of RW would do the same. I would rather resolve every issue on the spot than hold it inside waiting for the opportunity to explode. AM, what do you think about this?
An alternate phrase would be "if you loved me, you'd know" or a sharp "nothing". Yes, the "nothing" mood. She's talking, oh, she's talking alright; to her friends "EARTH", "WIND" and "FIRE". I think they are trying to gather their thoughts and the correct adjectives to explain what is wrong. Maybe trying to put us on a guilt trip. It could also be an 'I'm in control" response.
Of course men can have a "nothing" mood, too. The difference is we actually can think about nothing.
Sort of a state of Zen.
"Whatcha thinking?"
"Nothing"
"No, really. Whatcha thinking?
"OK, why did Mr. Ed talk to Wilbur and not Carol?"
"What?"
"What do you mean, what?"
"What?"
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 17, 2012, 01:49:11 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
The other question I am extremely curious about is for AM / foreign men. What are the most difficulties that you had been dealing with in order to attract and make your RW fall for you?
I would like to thank all of you in advance.
None really. I'm just myself. If they like me, fine, if not, fine.
My biggest problem was getting my butt over to Russia.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 17, 2012, 01:52:36 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 02:01:10 PM

Smuggling my tranquilizer darts through Ukrainian customs! :D
One drop of vodka per 10ml of solution.
This should deter the drug sniffing dogs.
However, they may start howling "Дорогой длинною" in this case join in. It's a wonderful song. ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 17, 2012, 01:56:03 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 03:02:51 PM

My wife and I have a typically perfect Love/Hate relationship... I love her; she hates me. Ahhh, the joys of marriage... ;D
It's really important to find that special someone who you want to annoy for the rest of your life. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mnCx7cNccc
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 17, 2012, 02:04:39 AM: Quote from: Daveman on April 16, 2012, 05:14:07 PM
Of course, I have also been know to do many weird things as well, like make goofy faces at my partner in the middle of her argument... That leads to some very interesting interaction sometimes.. :D
If you are staring at her, aahum, "eyes" and she starts sounding like the teacher in the Charlie Brown cartoons; MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY, quickly look away. ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Kokopelli on April 17, 2012, 02:33:38 AM: Quote from: Boethius on April 16, 2012, 01:41:13 PM

There are no dogs in our backyard, and my better half used a sling shot on cats' butts to condition them that our backyard was a no go zone. However, my boys, before starting school, had a habit of peeing in the backyard when playing outside, despite my repeated (and ignored) requests that they come indoors like civilized children. So, I guess it all evened out. :)
They're just practicing so they can write their names in the snow. Do either have a "t" or "i" in their name? If so, more practice.
Good penmanship is an important thing.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:15:36 AM: Quote from: Miri22 on April 16, 2012, 06:30:57 PM
Do you see how no one responds? Jeez.. The women want a USA lifestyle and it's traded for cash.

:wallbash:
Miri22, I don't mean to offend you, though I won't be bitter if I do. IMHO, You represent yourself as an extremely unhappy, miserable person, who knows nothing good,who got hurt and used few times, who has no respect to anyone and who is fullfilled with anger.
Please do not throw your intellectually low and limited opinions here , since it cause nothing but irritation and wate of participants time and words. Either be polite to members around you, or simply get lost from my thread of posts. That was not my intent show everyone life in selfish and miserable colors. Hope for your understanding.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:22:47 AM: This I can say to be typical of RWs I know. Not surprising really considering none of them ever admit they are ever in the wrong.
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OMG, you seem like really know what are you talking about. Well, I will tell you the trick of handling RW. Let's imagine , she is wrong ( and believe me she know she is wrong - she just can't admit it outloud). You are also being stubborn and trying to prove her that " a bird is not an elephant". This argument or silent war goes back and forth. So what to do here? The best argument handle that I have ever experienced in my lifewas shown to me by my Darling : I was totally wrong and of course I knew about it. My hubby made very wisdom move I think , that made me : a) feel extremely guilty inside and I made sure I would never do/say anything as I did again b) made me respect my man twice more than I did. c)I felt weak and silly in compare with my man... I did stupid, but I knew there is no way, I would want to lose him- my smart man who makes me think I am in control, but has all the power in his hands. He came up to me and said : I am really sorry that I hurt your feelings, I love you very much and I will never do it again. It totally shocked me , I was ready for the argumenmt and fight of words, but not these . He just wanted to show me his appreciation and ability to resove everything as a man.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:27:52 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 16, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
For me that is still a work in progress. In an unrelated note(Thanks for your help Daveman)

What is still work in progress for you Mr. Happyandstable?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:33:02 AM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 16, 2012, 05:53:18 PM
Upgrade from typically perfect to silver perfect trying to switch your roles periodically ;D

Love/Hate stage ... keep it up as long as you can , those feelings towards each other ( not at extreme level of course) making relationship last longer and be spicy ;giving you a wild "piece making sex" and always keeping partners tuned :crackwhip:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:35:22 AM: Quote from: OlgaH on April 16, 2012, 05:56:44 PM
you missed all the fun :D

Agreed Olga. Oh Boy.... games Russians can come up with are super entertaining and fun if you on the same tune ,yet can be dangerous. :devil:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Muzh on April 17, 2012, 07:47:47 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:15:36 AM
:wallbash:
Miri22, I don't mean to offend you, though I won't be bitter if I do. IMHO, You represent yourself as an extremely unhappy, miserable person, who knows nothing good,who got hurt and used few times, who has no respect to anyone and who is fullfilled with anger.
Please do not throw your intellectually low and limited opinions here , since it cause nothing but irritation and wate of participants time and words. Either be polite to members around you, or simply get lost from my thread of posts. That was not my intent show everyone life in selfish and miserable colors. Hope for your understanding.

Nichka, don't waste your time on this flaming a**hole. It seems he is a woman hater to boot. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 17, 2012, 08:17:36 AM: Miri has not posted anything Donna Pedro has not posted.

Except for the housekeeper part.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 17, 2012, 10:01:08 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 16, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
The other question I am extremely curious about is for AM / foreign men. What are the most difficulties that you had been dealing with in order to attract and make your RW fall for you?
I would like to thank all of you in advance.

Quote from: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:27:52 AM
Quote from: happyandstable on April 16, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
For me that is still a work in progress. In an unrelated note(Thanks for your help Daveman)

What is still work in progress for you Mr. Happyandstable?

To my way of thinking your question implies that you have already gotten a RW to fall in love with you. For me I am still looking for that to happen hence for me it is “Still a work in progress”, but in any event I feel that the best way to get anyone to fall in love with you is to just be yourself and let nature take its course.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 17, 2012, 10:08:50 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 17, 2012, 10:01:08 AM
What is still work in progress for you Mr. Happyandstable?

To my way of thinking your question implies that you have already gotten a RW to fall in love with you. For me I am still looking for that to happen hence for me it is “Still a work in progress”, but in any event I feel that the best way to get anyone to fall in love with you is to just be yourself and let nature take its course.

Well, to be honest , I don't think that to be yourself is enough to find and be happy with RW, just because it is a lot more of thinking and considering different culture and traditions. I found Ukrainian man I am in love with . Though when I was dating AM, he did a lot to make me feel special and understood. I really did appreciate it.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 17, 2012, 10:10:03 AM: Quote from: Muzh on April 17, 2012, 07:47:47 AM

Quote from: nichka on April 17, 2012, 05:15:36 AM
:wallbash:
Miri22, I don't mean to offend you, though I won't be bitter if I do. IMHO, You represent yourself as an extremely unhappy, miserable person, who knows nothing good,who got hurt and used few times, who has no respect to anyone and who is fullfilled with anger.
Please do not throw your intellectually low and limited opinions here , since it cause nothing but irritation and wate of participants time and words. Either be polite to members around you, or simply get lost from my thread of posts. That was not my intent show everyone life in selfish and miserable colors. Hope for your understanding.

Nichka, don't waste your time on this flaming a**hole. It seems he is a woman hater to boot. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Boethius on April 17, 2012, 08:17:36 AM
Miri has not posted anything Donna Pedro has not posted.

Except for the housekeeper part.

I do not disagree with any of this. The real questions being why :rules: is allowed and why Miri22 is flagged as watched while Donna_Pedro is not?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Boethius on April 17, 2012, 10:17:31 AM: Posters are not moderated for their views.

Donna Pedro has never attacked another poster. She is a model poster.

Miri was not put in moderated status because of his views, and whoever did so likely warned him before the moderation.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 17, 2012, 10:19:15 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 17, 2012, 10:08:50 AM
Well, to be honest , I don't think that to be yourself is enough to find and be happy with RW, just because it is a lot more of thinking and considering different culture and traditions. I found Ukrainian man I am in love with . Though when I was dating AM, he did a lot to make me feel special and understood. I really did appreciate it.

How do you know that is not who I am in the first place. A deep thinker, considerate individual, with the gift to make people feel and know they are special. Everyone deserves to be treated special and with thoughtfulness until proven otherwise. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/innocent0005.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-innocent.html)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: happyandstable on April 17, 2012, 10:21:14 AM: Quote from: Boethius on April 17, 2012, 10:17:31 AM
Posters are not moderated for their views.

Donna Pedro has never attacked another poster. She is a model poster.

Miri was not put in moderated status because of his views, and whoever did so likely warned him before the moderation.

That is one point of view we do not share.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 17, 2012, 11:00:37 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 17, 2012, 10:19:15 AM
How do you know that is not who I am in the first place. A deep thinker, considerate individual, with the gift to make people feel and know they are special. Everyone deserves to be treated special and with thoughtfulness until proven otherwise. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/innocent0005.gif) (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/free-emoticons-innocent.html)

Good point!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Admin on April 17, 2012, 11:06:11 AM: Quote from: happyandstable on April 17, 2012, 10:21:14 AM
That is one point of view we do not share.

H&S,

Can you find one (or more) of those posts in which you feel there were insults - and once found, click the 'Report to Moderator' link?

I wonder if, upon close reading of the post, you might find that Donna is brutally direct with her strong opinions on things, but quite possibly there was no personal insult. This would be consistent with what I've seen Donna write over the years - which is not to say that she did not insult, only that when I wince at some of the things she writes, it is from the perspective that she conveys her opinions in a very pointed manner with little regard for the sensibilities of those on the receiving end, but without personal insult.

In any case, if you find one of those posts you feel is insulting - or if you see one in the future, please report it and let us take a look. OK?

- Dan
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: newjason on April 17, 2012, 08:41:59 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 17, 2012, 10:08:50 AM
Well, to be honest , I don't think that to be yourself is enough to find and be happy with RW, just because it is a lot more of thinking and considering different culture and traditions. I found Ukrainian man I am in love with . Though when I was dating AM, he did a lot to make me feel special and understood. I really did appreciate it.

So what did this AM do that made you leave him?
Was it just the shoes in the house or something else too?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 18, 2012, 05:23:27 AM: Quote from: newjason on April 17, 2012, 08:41:59 PM
So what did this AM do that made you leave him?
Was it just the shoes in the house or something else too?

Well, i think the biggest portion was that he was too soft. I am very strong person and expect my partner to be the same or stronger. For some reason once I see that my man is too soft, too nice and dancing the way I tell him to dance , I start pushing him away. I am used to the man who would say and do as he said, who's word will be the last and final in the conversation... and that one was too much of a " Yes dear", " as you say/want dear" Though , he is a great friend of mine.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: newjason on April 18, 2012, 05:49:07 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 18, 2012, 05:23:27 AM
Well, i think the biggest portion was that he was too soft. I am very strong person and expect my partner to be the same or stronger. For some reason once I see that my man is too soft, too nice and dancing the way I tell him to dance , I start pushing him away. I am used to the man who would say and do as he said, who's word will be the last and final in the conversation... and that one was too much of a " Yes dear", " as you say/want dear" Though , he is a great friend of mine.

A YES man.

LOL it's nice to keep friends who always agree with you isn't it. :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:06:36 AM: Quote from: newjason on April 18, 2012, 05:49:07 AM

A YES man.

LOL it's nice to keep friends who always agree with you isn't it. :)

You got it. A "YES" man is a big "NET" for RW.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 18, 2012, 06:10:52 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:06:36 AM
You got it. A "YES" man is a big "NET" for RW.

Sure, but many RW would consider the other extreme, a man who would a household dictator, also intolerable ;)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:34:14 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 18, 2012, 06:10:52 AM

the other extreme, a man who would a household dictator, also intolerable ;)
Mishenka, those days are over . Rarely you will meet RM who would be acting as tiran , unless we talking about some mental case :cluebat:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 18, 2012, 06:41:47 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:34:14 AM
Mishenka, those days are over . Rarely you will meet RM who would be acting as tiran , unless we talking about some mental case :cluebat:

When you write: "I am used to the man who would say and do as he said, who's word will be the last and final in the conversation" this will be interpreted on this forum as the man having the last say on everything ;) I am curious as to where do you draw the line between the ideal man and the tyrant?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ghost of moon goddess on April 18, 2012, 06:44:50 AM: Misha, getting the No Man to say "Yes" is what some (or many) RW call Compliance (meaning Woman's compliance with Man's resistance) :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 18, 2012, 06:54:30 AM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 18, 2012, 06:44:50 AM
Misha, getting the No Man to say "Yes" is what some (or many) RW call Compliance (meaning Woman's compliance with Man's resistance) :)

This is what I have learned: if a woman is not into you, everything that you do will be annoying to her >:D If you say yes, you will be a "Yes" man to this woman, if you say no, you will be the tyrant :-X It will be a no-win situation no matter what you do. Has nothing to do with AM, RW, or any other question of nationality...
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:54:53 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 18, 2012, 06:41:47 AM

When you write: "I am used to the man who would say and do as he said, who's word will be the last and final in the conversation" this will be interpreted on this forum as the man having the last say on everything ;) I am curious as to where do you draw the line between the ideal man and the tyrant?
I do want my man to have the last word on everything, though the trick is : " The man is the head, the woman is the neck". Its up to woman how to get what she wants and make man make his own decision for her benefit." 8)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:55:51 AM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 18, 2012, 06:44:50 AM
Misha, getting the No Man to say "Yes" is what some (or many) RW call Compliance (meaning Woman's compliance with Man's resistance) :)

Can't agree more ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ghost of moon goddess on April 18, 2012, 07:04:40 AM: In fact, some women like to be challenged by men and win over them.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Misha on April 18, 2012, 07:08:03 AM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 18, 2012, 07:04:40 AM
In fact, some women like to be challenged by men and win over them.

I do confess that does work though. Paradoxically, I ended up insulting my wife a couple of times on our first date and she took up the challenge to win me over ;D Of course, I am reminded every so often how I had irked her, but at the end of the day it did work :P
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Belvis on April 18, 2012, 07:50:53 AM: Quote from: ghost of moon goddess on April 18, 2012, 07:04:40 AM
In fact, some women like to be challenged by men and win over them.
And no doubt, some men enjoy to be won over by women they want. Devil is so skilful :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Konfushus on April 18, 2012, 08:30:24 AM: Are we compatible? Sure, yes. It depends on two individuals.

I'm American. My wife is Russian. I never met a more compatible woman in my entire life. Shared goals, beliefs, ideals, interests, desires, sense of humor. She says I'm always reading her mind (I am) and her family calls us two halves of an apple (some Russian expression like this).

Yeah, we've had to deal with some vast cultural differences.
I like cold drinks. She thinks ice is evil.
She wants me to wear тапочки in the house. I like to just wear socks or go barefoot.
And that's it...
I might have blown my nose at the table once!
Life is rough!

I do agree about the 'yes men' comments. Nice guys and pushovers don't do well here. Russian guys like this get ridden hard. I've known a few. You never know though. A woman looking internationally might just be looking for that nice yes man to boss around since she can't find him here. :D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 18, 2012, 08:36:31 AM: Quote from: Konfushus on April 18, 2012, 08:30:24 AM
Are we compatible? Sure, yes. It depends on two individuals.

I'm American. My wife is Russian. I never met a more compatible woman in my entire life. Shared goals, beliefs, ideals, interests, desires, sense of humor. She says I'm always reading her mind (I am) and her family calls us two halves of an apple (some Russian expression like this).

Yeah, we've had to deal with some vast cultural differences.
I like cold drinks. She thinks ice is evil.
She wants me to wear тапочки in the house. I like to just wear socks or go barefoot.
And that's it...
I might have blown my nose at the table once!
Life is rough!

I do agree about the 'yes men' comments. Nice guys and pushovers don't do well here. Russian guys like this get ridden hard. I've known a few. You never know though. A woman looking internationally might just be looking for that nice yes man to boss around since she can't find him here. :D

Awesome post! Thank you very much , that is exactly what I was looking for . I wish you many years of love and happiness! I love the one about "tapochki" . It is very interesting info about little things . :welcome:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 18, 2012, 10:04:33 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 18, 2012, 05:23:27 AM
Well, i think the biggest portion was that he was too soft. I am very strong person and expect my partner to be the same or stronger. For some reason once I see that my man is too soft, too nice and dancing the way I tell him to dance , I start pushing him away. I am used to the man who would say and do as he said, who's word will be the last and final in the conversation... and that one was too much of a " Yes dear", " as you say/want dear" Though , he is a great friend of mine.

The 'yes dear' thing does not necessarily mean a weak man. Around here a facetious 'Of course you are right darlink'.. was quite popular but wore off over time and experience that 'right' was not often necessarily so. As seen in many threads here, some FSUW do seem to have a penchant for being 'right' with any counter argument rapidly discounted.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 18, 2012, 10:05:46 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:54:53 AM
I do want my man to have the last word on everything, though the trick is : " The man is the head, the woman is the neck". Its up to woman how to get what she wants and make man make his own decision for her benefit." 8)

I thought the head / neck adage had a quite different meaning. You now confuse me.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gylden on April 18, 2012, 10:20:40 AM: Quote from: BC on April 18, 2012, 10:05:46 AM
I thought the head / neck adage had a quite different meaning. You now confuse me.

The neck turns the head and directs what the eyes are seeing.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gator on April 18, 2012, 10:26:16 AM: Quote from: BC on April 18, 2012, 10:05:46 AM
I thought the head / neck adage had a quite different meaning. You now confuse me.

My understanding is the same as Nichka's. The man perceives that he is in control and making the important decisions. Us men can be easily played at times, sometimes turned into mincemeat.

Did you see the Ozzie film Holy Smoke with Kate Winslet and Harvey Kietel?

During a trip to India, Ruth Barron has a spiritual awakening and embraces the teachings of a guru named Baba. Back home in the Sydney suburb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburb) of Sans Souci (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_Souci,_New_South_Wales), her parents are appalled to learn their daughter now answers to the name Nazni and has no intention of returning. They concoct a tale about her father Gilbert having had a stroke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke) and being on the verge of death, and her mother Miriam travels to India in hopes of convincing her to come home, with no success until she suffers a serious asthma attack. Ruth agrees to accompany her on her return flight.

Miriam arranges a reunion with Gilbert, who supposedly is recuperating in the Outback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outback), and this charade lands Ruth in the clutches of P.J. Waters, an American exit counselor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_counseling) who deprograms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming) members of religious cults. In a remote cabin, he isolates Ruth, separates her from her sari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sari) and religious props, challenges her faith in Baba, and slowly wears her down. As she begins to weaken, Waters finds himself sexually attracted to her, and in time Ruth allows him to seduce her. She then turns the tables on him, as she discovers her sexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexuality) allows her to make mincemeat of his machismo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machismo).
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 18, 2012, 10:36:37 AM: Quote from: Gator on April 18, 2012, 10:26:16 AM

My understanding is the same as Nichka's. The man perceives that he is in control and making the important decisions. Us men can be easily played at times, sometimes turned into mincemeat.

Quote from: Gylden on April 18, 2012, 10:20:40 AM

The neck turns the head and directs what the eyes are seeing.

Somehow that's not what I read from Nichka's post.

Quote from: nichka on April 18, 2012, 06:54:53 AM
I do want my man to have the last word on everything, though the trick is : " The man is the head, the woman is the neck". Its up to woman how to get what she wants and make man make his own decision for her benefit." 8)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Gylden on April 18, 2012, 10:41:24 AM: Well, it's like this (I believe).
If thre neck wants the head to buy clothes instead of a car, the neck points the head at a clothing store and away from the car dealer.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 18, 2012, 10:45:55 AM: Quote from: Gylden on April 18, 2012, 10:41:24 AM
Well, it's like this (I believe).
If thre neck wants the head to buy clothes instead of a car, the neck points the head at a clothing store and away from the car dealer.

Yeah that's what I understand also, but the original statement seems a bit ambiguous, even contradicting itself.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Ranetka on April 18, 2012, 10:53:29 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 18, 2012, 06:54:30 AM

This is what I have learned: if a woman is not into you, everything that you do will be annoying to her >:D Has nothing to do with AM, RW, or any other question of nationality...

:clapping: Misha you have never said anything wiser....
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on April 18, 2012, 10:55:58 AM: Quote from: Misha on Today at 08:54:30 AM (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14582.msg295381#msg295381)<blockquote>
This is what I have learned: if a woman is not into you, everything that you do will be annoying to her (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/evil.gif) Has nothing to do with AM, RW, or any other question of nationality...
</blockquote>
Quote from: Ranetka on April 18, 2012, 10:53:29 AM

:clapping: Misha you have never said anything wiser....

And doesn't this apply equally in the opposite direction?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 18, 2012, 11:00:03 AM: Quote from: BC on April 18, 2012, 10:05:46 AM
I thought the head / neck adage had a quite different meaning. You now confuse me.

Quote from: Gator on April 18, 2012, 10:26:16 AM

My understanding is the same as Nichka's. The man perceives that he is in control and making the important decisions. Us men can be easily played at times, sometimes turned into mincemeat.

Did you see the Ozzie film Holy Smoke with Kate Winslet and Harvey Kietel?

During a trip to India, Ruth Barron has a spiritual awakening and embraces the teachings of a guru named Baba. Back home in the Sydney suburb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburb) of Sans Souci (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_Souci,_New_South_Wales), her parents are appalled to learn their daughter now answers to the name Nazni and has no intention of returning. They concoct a tale about her father Gilbert having had a stroke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke) and being on the verge of death, and her mother Miriam travels to India in hopes of convincing her to come home, with no success until she suffers a serious asthma attack. Ruth agrees to accompany her on her return flight.

Miriam arranges a reunion with Gilbert, who supposedly is recuperating in the Outback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outback), and this charade lands Ruth in the clutches of P.J. Waters, an American exit counselor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_counseling) who deprograms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming) members of religious cults. In a remote cabin, he isolates Ruth, separates her from her sari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sari) and religious props, challenges her faith in Baba, and slowly wears her down. As she begins to weaken, Waters finds himself sexually attracted to her, and in time Ruth allows him to seduce her. She then turns the tables on him, as she discovers her sexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexuality) allows her to make mincemeat of his machismo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machismo).

That is exactly how I think and what I mean with the head/neck stuff ;D
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: BC on April 18, 2012, 11:11:18 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 18, 2012, 11:00:03 AM
That is exactly how I think and what I mean with the head/neck stuff ;D

Ahh, understand now.... surely that was pretty early on in the relationship?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: nichka on April 19, 2012, 08:16:12 AM: How often you guys getting confused with your RW during dating stage ... Today she seems to be all over me, she really likes me , and tomorrow she acts distant , responds to text msg within hours etc. These are the games we like to play with you,...just to see how you are going to react , along with analyzing your methods of " approaching us , and getting what you want"
All thoughts and life experiences will be appreciated :popcorn:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: SANDRO43 on April 19, 2012, 03:59:03 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 19, 2012, 08:16:12 AM
These are the games we like to play with you...just to see how you are going to react, along with analyzing your methods of " approaching us, and getting what you want"
Sounds like skill in this might be a first form of training ;D:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Battleship_game_board.svg/220px-Battleship_game_board.svg.png)

Or maybe this would be more adequate for the task :D?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/ChessSet.jpg/250px-ChessSet.jpg)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: OlgaH on April 19, 2012, 06:15:31 PM: I'm not an adherent of dating games like "you call I-don't answer, you are here-I'm not" :D But I don't mind playing chess or backgammon having a glass of wine or cup of tea and free and easy conversation.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: calmissile on April 19, 2012, 06:28:24 PM: How often you guys getting confused with your RW during dating stage ... Today she seems to be all over me, she really likes me , and tomorrow she acts distant , responds to text msg within hours etc. These are the games we like to play with you,...just to see how you are going to react , along with analyzing your methods of " approaching us , and getting what you want"

Please write a book on this. :) Most WM I know don't like to play these games. It is one of the reasons to look elsewhere for a wife. AW are very good at playing games, but I am not sure the games or the rules are the same. :)
Title: Re: Hi there, I am young Russian woman who lives in USA for the past 10 years.
Post by: alyosha on July 03, 2012, 06:13:41 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 10:08:47 AM
I would take it as a warm :welcome: from you Belvis.
But to be serious, I honestly think that Russian Women are complex with their moods, beliefs, games, views on this world, along with the different idea of " being happy" 8)

You could delete the word "Russian" in that kid. :wallbash:
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: alyosha on July 03, 2012, 06:22:07 PM: Quote from: Misha on April 18, 2012, 06:54:30 AM

This is what I have learned: if a woman is not into you, everything that you do will be annoying to her >:D If you say yes, you will be a "Yes" man to this woman, if you say no, you will be the tyrant :-X It will be a no-win situation no matter what you do. Has nothing to do with AM, RW, or any other question of nationality...

In America there is a saying, "A man chases a woman until she catches him."
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: TomT on July 03, 2012, 07:07:02 PM: Quote from: nichka on April 19, 2012, 08:16:12 AM
These are the games we like to play with you,...just to see how you are going to react , along with analyzing your methods of " approaching us , and getting what you want"

Unfortunately, this is precisely how sociopaths treat their victims: alternating, addictive cycles of affection and abuse which are continually being fine-tuned to achieve the desired results.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Patagonie on July 04, 2012, 12:28:37 AM: Quote from: TomT on July 03, 2012, 07:07:02 PM

Unfortunately, this is precisely how sociopaths treat their victims: alternating, addictive cycles of affection and abuse which are continually being fine-tuned to achieve the desired results.
"These are the games we like to play with you,...just to see how you are going to react , along with analyzing your methods of " approaching us , and getting what you want"

As women are largely in this demeanor during the firsts dates with a man, i think that you might need a whole army of therapist in every country.
You have the incredible chance here to have valuable and smart FSU women who are capable to explain with no bullshit how they react (which is impossible to know with an western women as they don't say what they think and don't think what they tell you). Rather than to septic enjoy the treasure they are delivering you.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: TomT on July 04, 2012, 09:23:45 AM: Quote from: Patagonie on July 04, 2012, 12:28:37 AM
Rather than to septic enjoy the treasure they are delivering you.
You are very unintentionally funny.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: cteas on August 20, 2012, 03:30:58 PM: This is a rediculous and loaded question. The Russians who don't want their countrymen to go west. Always say "no" they don't mix. People from this country that don't want to AM bringing foreigners to this country all say "no" as well. The plain fact is that ANY relationship is "oil & water". Otherwise, we would have married the first or second person we ever dated. I don't know about you, but 99.9% of the women I have dated didn't work out. The only way it may be less is if you are currently married. If you are fortunate, you will stay with that person for the rest of your life. The most important thing is that you are ready for the forever relationship, and you are going to commied to it. Even then, there are no gurantees. It doesn't matter where the two people are from, it just matters how bad they want it. I am sorry if I sound condescending, but that is my opinion. It is like butt holes, everybody has one. One piece of evidence I will use to back it up is the success rate of relationships between Asian women and almost any other man. They are from extremely different cultures, but they seem to last. The best question to ask is "can two people have a lasting and happy relationship, and what makes it work?".
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: ML on August 20, 2012, 07:52:46 PM: Quote from: cteas on August 20, 2012, 03:30:58 PM
One piece of evidence I will use to back it up is the success rate of relationships between Asian women and almost any other man. They are from extremely different cultures, but they seem to last.

Two questions:

1. Is this true?
2. Why causes it to be true?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Eduard on August 21, 2012, 11:32:54 AM: Here's my 2C.
Remember Marty who posted his TR on this or the other forum last fall? He's been married since last October. I talked to his wife a little while ago and one thing she told me was: "I feel like I've known him all my life". Very telling IMO. They are trying for a baby now. Are they compatible? I'd say yes.
Remember Catman? He emailed me a couple of weeks ago informing me that they are very happy and are expecting a baby boy in January 2013. Are they compatible? I'd say yes! I know quite a few other couples who aren't members on these fora who are happily married where a man is American or Canadian and the woman is from the FSU.
Do I think that every FSU woman is compatible with every WM? It's a NO. But then who would think that all WM and WW are compatible with each other or all FSU men and FSU women are compatible with one another? Compatibility can be established strictly on an individual basis IMO.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Jersey Guy on August 24, 2012, 04:36:33 PM: Quote from: Daveman on April 13, 2012, 02:58:02 PM

Now this oughtta get good in a hurry! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Welcome Nichka, glad you found your love. Wherever with whomever.

As to the topic heading... nah... they're not really compatible.. ;D but pretty darn good together in bed.. so it's a decent trade off.. >:D >:D >:D The rest is just fluff anyway ... used for the sole purpose of getting back into the bed..
As shallow as this statment is there is not a thing I disagree with. I just got started on this thread so it will take awhile to catch up. I'm here to learn, and share.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on August 24, 2012, 05:02:54 PM: Ed, invidually, yes- some RW and some AM are compatible. In my opinion though RW in general and AM in general are not. I am talking of mentality.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Jersey Guy on August 24, 2012, 05:51:54 PM: In my short experience with a RW, only 10 months so far. Yes, they do play some mental games that I'm just starting to learn and get used to. But, they also have a general female characteristic. They think they know everything. It reminds me of an old advertisement in a local paper. "For Sale:Entire set of encyclopedias..no longer needed...wife knows everything." :)
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2012, 05:59:17 PM: Quote from: Doll on August 24, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
Ed, invidually, yes- some RW and some AM are compatible. In my opinion though RW in general and AM in general are not. I am talking of mentality.

Doll
Can you define the actual differences in mentality that make you think that?

That should be invaluable to those looking from both sides ? right?
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Eduard on August 24, 2012, 06:10:45 PM: Quote from: Jumper on August 24, 2012, 05:59:17 PM

Doll
Can you define the actual differences in mentality that make you think that?

That should be invaluable to those looking from both sides ? right?
Yes, Doll, I'd like to know too!
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: Doll on August 24, 2012, 06:14:17 PM: Define the difference in mentality of Russians and Americans? I will have to read a book then. :D
Ed, you actually do know them.
Title: Re: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: g30rkn on March 23, 2013, 10:26:04 AM: Quote from: Misha on April 14, 2012, 06:00:21 PM

I wager that a card-carrying NRA Republican strict Protstant American would have less compatibility with a Democrat, Unitarian Universalist, anti-war Occupy Wall Street protestor than many AM/RW pairings, but my American friends can correct me if I am wrong ;)
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you are correct sir like gasoline sparked.

and i gave up on aw sometime ago
Title: AM and RW ... are we compatible?
Post by: 2tallbill on April 10, 2024, 09:34:55 AM: Quote from: nichka on April 13, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
American men, and yes they are blowing their nose in the middle of lunch , burping accidently

In the USA it's impolite to snuff your nose three hundred times, in the FSU it's worse to blow your
nose in public.