Why a Russian/FSU woman?

[Gator]

Jen,

Before I answer, first let me say that I like all women whether white, brown (Peruvian girlfriend for a year), yellow, black, or red (the occasional sunburned Yankee vacationing in my home state of Florida).
   
The answer to your question has two parts:  why I first traveled to Russia to meet a RW and why I stayed.

Part One 

For two years after my divorce I dated only AW.  I enjoyed them but my two serious relationships concluded with me wanting something different.  My ex-wife, who is still a friend, suggested the Internet and showed me some dating sites.  Soon after that I clicked on an advertising banner “Meet Beautiful Russian Women”.    End of story, but I will elaborate.

RW intrigued me immediately.  I knew something about the country and RW because my travels took me to the Soviet Union in 1987 and a couple of interesting women talked to me then (more out of skeptic curiosity).
 
Traveling is one of my passions, so I planned a solitary travel adventure around Russia where I would meet some women along the way.  The RW response to my letters overwhelmed me.  Their few words of bad English conveyed sincerity, enthusiasm intelligence, free spirit, etc.  Talking to them on the telephone convinced me to do it.
 
I met eight RW and UW in four cities over 30 days.  That was five years ago.
 
Part Two

A young RW became my one and only girlfriend for over three years.  We were building towards marriage (neither of us was in a hurry); however, it ended.   

I then dated AW briefly.  Not for long because I had learned that RW were superior to my AW in the categories of beauty, brains, sense of humor, sophistication, honesty, and particularly attitude. 

Soon I returned to Russia and Ukraine and dated older women from 40 to 47, and I started a 15-month relationship with a RW.  When that ended:  a couple of AW followed by a trip to Hungary where I stayed less than a week before deciding to return to Russia.
 
I can not imagine life without a RW.   Although some RW I dated were worse than AW from my past, a few RW I met have a mix of qualities that I doubt I could find elsewhere.  And they liked me!  God bless them! 

[acrzybear]

Bear, in 1980, I went to California to visit some of my kin folks....opened the door for women and men... they looked down on me as if I were abnormal  I guess I was really abnormal when I said Yes Mam and Yes Sir.... or no mam/sir.  I did not ever have a problem in the FSU doing this same thing...was I looked upon as back woods....I don't think so....For the women in FSU, I think that they look at this action as being respectful... but, then again...I am a back woods fellow, that listened to words by example

Wayne

I know what you mean, I grew up in Northern California and when I moved here to Texas I was surprised by everyone saying Honey, sir and maam-the south definitely has manners compared to California.

[Wayne B]

Bear, that is very wrong of you....not to offer us a doughnut

[acrzybear]

What can I say I don't share!   I decided to post a picture taken in 2001-I thought my Chief was going to have a stroke when he saw it   It was worth sitting in his office for 30 minutes listening to his lecture on public perception (blah blah blah). 

Geeezzz some people have NO sense of humor

[Rvrwind]

I guess I am one of the odd birds here as I actually came here on a mission - to find a wife.
Back in the early 80's I got my first taste of "Mail Order Brides" as I received catalogues in the mail from several different companies. Most as I recall were Asian & South American. I found no interest in them & did not pursue them farther than the trash can.
Then I met a hot Canadian babe, a model & we lived together for 9 years. I asked her 3 times to marry me & 3 times she turned me down. I was good enough to live with, good enough to support her, good enough to share everything with her, but not good enough to marry!! :noidea: So strike three your outa here.
After that I stayed single for many years. Enjoying my life, traveling & seeing the world. One day I was fooling around online & came across an ad by a Russian woman & out of curiosity decided to respond. I found out she was married & that her & her husband used to live less than 100 klm from me but had recently moved to the interior of BC. Her husband & I talked on the phone several times & I decided to take a trip to meet them as soon as I could find some time.
Well it finally came & I went to meet them & we became very close friends. In fact he was the best man at our wedding & she was my wife's bridesmaid, right here in Tver. Some of the guys here will remember Karl (Splashmaster) & Oksana. Anyway I digress.
After meeting with them the first time & hearing Oksana's accent & how she pronounced my name, I fell in love. I liked it, I liked her, She was a very, pleasant caring & generous lady. At that time Karl was kinda working for LTP & pointed me to their Website & I started looking through it. One of the ladies I found very attractive & was wanting t meet was actually one of Oksana's best friends. She got us together writing & getting to know each other & I started saving money to come to Russia & meet her. I was tired of being alone & wanted a good man to share my life with.
As it turned out things didn't quite turn out as planned. Less than one hourafter meeting we found we wee not compatible at all, long story short we moved on. It was heartrendering as I made the mistake many newbies make, I fell in love with pictures & a dream & had it all collapse on me. So when I say I been there done that, believe it.
Anyway I turned to the agency & their catalogues. I was in Tver for a month, good or bad so Cowboyed up & decided to turn this baby around. In the next 3 weeks I dated my azz ff. I met over 40 women,some for 5 minutes, some for longer.
I met my Valya 2weeks into this process but she had to go to Moscow on business for a week so I continued dating even though there was something about her I was very much attracted to. I will also say she did not fit the profile I was searching for & her photos at the agency were horrible!!
After she came back I had narrowed it down to two ladies, her & one other. In the end I picked the other because she had a child & I was afraid that Valya would not stay with me as she had no children & all women want children, or most anyway.
As it turned out that relationship went south very fast & I dumped the lady involved. I couldn't stop thinking about Valya & decided I had to go forward. So I wrote her & returned to Russia 3 months later to be with her & only her & see if we could be together even with the child issue. She took English lessons o that we could be without an interpreter & we discussed our situation for ours. Finally after 2 & a half months & a month of that living in sin, LOL, I asked her to marry me. She said yes, & the rest is history. We've been together for 4 years & love each other deeply & her accent & the way she says my name still turn me to mush everytime she says it!!!
That's my story & I'm stickin' to it.

[SANDRO43]

I was tired of being alone & wanted a good man to share my life with. As it turned out things didn't quite turn out as planned.

Not surprising, what with her being a woman  .

[Wayne B]

Sandro, I saw that but I knew what Richard ment....I hope

[William3rd]

Hey Bear- Is that a donut that i see in your hand?

Too funny-

Public perception. . . .


Here in Los Angeles, they say that we have the best protected donut shops in the world.

[Bruno]

Why FSU ? ...

Very simple... it is near Europa and you have a lot of choice !

In the previous replies, some guy say that they choose FSU because they wish a white woman... but if you wish a asian woman, FSU is the right place too... Ukraine women are a character more like Spanish... at the north, they are more slavic...

Jen, FSU is 12 time zone, half of the world... have several religion, several culture, several skin color... if you don't find what you wish in FSU, you need to seek outside these planet !!!

And seriously, modern western women don't need or seek a husband... the only thing they wish is a rabbit :
http://trinixy.ru/2007/08/08/vot_tak_i_podarochek30_mb.html ... click play  ... FSU ladies prefert natural thing, not artificial one...

[Rvrwind]

Not surprising, what with her being a woman  .

Now thats Funny  A major type:-o!!!
I really hate this friggin' keyboard!!!

[catzenmouse]

I really hate this friggin' keyboard!!!

Um.. Richard, it isn't the keyboard...

On Topic:

 Simple. They are the very best there is. Nothing else comes close!

Ken

[acrzybear]

Hey Bear- Is that a donut that i see in your hand?

Too funny-

Public perception. . . .


Here in Los Angeles, they say that we have the best protected donut shops in the world.

Yes it is WIlliam

Here's the story behind that picture;

it was 2001 and I was the President of the Police Officers Association and we were going through some difficult negotiations with the department.  I stopped off at one of the local hotels to talk with the Manager (a fishing buddy of mine) and he offered me a cup of coffee.  Well as I was drinking the coffee I saw some left over donuts from the previous day, well my devious mind went to work.

  I knew my Chief's panties would get twisted if he saw a picture of one of his Officers holding a cup of coffee and a donut So the buddy was more then happy to take my photo and some how a copy of the photograph ended up on the stations bulletin board (have no idea HOW that happened)

  I had to do my damnedest to keep a straight face (I wasn't to successful) while I was in the Chiefs office getting my lecture on public perception

P.S I would have liked to have gotten a donut with pink frosting and sprinkles (THAT would have set the Chief off), but white frosting was the best I could do.

No donuts were harmed or abused during the above mentioned presention

[Rvrwind]

Um.. Richard, it isn't the keyboard...

On Topic:

 Simple. They are the very best there is. Nothing else comes close!

Ken

Yeah Ken, unfortunately it is.. The keys are very stiff for some reason & if I don't hit them hard they don't work. Spell check works good but only for words that are actually not words. I use it a lot but if the word is still a word spelled correctly it  misses it. I've had this problem with this keyboard from day one & can't figure out why I have to wack the dang keys so hard to get it to work right.

Okay, back on topic... it was deffinitely supposed to be woman!!!

[poseidon84]

I am looking for a FSU girls because they are not scared of being smart and beautiful. They are not scared to be REAL ladies.
But most girls here in Sweden are either extreme feminists or blonde no-brainers....

[Maxx2]

This old thread is sure depressing. I mean it's 7 years old and I remember these guys like it was yesterday and now I wonder what happened to them and if they are still alive!

[ML]

As I clicked on first post and noticed it was six years old; I just scanned down, without reading, to see what the current posts might say.

It was probably mentioned several times in the earlier posts but, my answer to the original question would be:

I wanted/need a woman who is at least 5 foot, 6 inches tall.  So unless I wanted to search for a needle in haystack, I had to stay away from Asians.

Also, without giving it too much thought (because of the overriding height idea), I probably subconsciously knew that a white skinned woman would draw less attention (when being with me) than a darker skin.

And despite some cultural differences USA - FSU; probably less than USA - Asian.   This is even more true if you bring in ethnic Mongol as compared to Maylay to the equation.

[2tallbill]

This old thread is sure depressing. I mean it's 7 years old and I remember these guys like it was yesterday and now I wonder what happened to them and if they are still alive!

I tracked Richard down once years ago in Canada. I tried to do it again a
couple of months ago and was unable to. I hope he's still kickin

[2tallbill]

As I clicked on first post and noticed it was six years old; I just scanned down, without reading, to see what the current posts might say.

I checked my first post here was on March 24, 2006, I had started out at
the old defunct site. Here it's 8 years later. I do think that I've found the
future Mrs 2tallbill. 

[Larry1]

As I clicked on first post and noticed it was six years old; I just scanned down, without reading, to see what the current posts might say.

A few years ago a good friend of mine got himself into a relationship with a gorgeous girl in Riga.  He was really taken with her.  During his visit there he told me that he saw on every block a girl more attractive than any he would see in his city in a year.  Things didn't work out with her, but he decided to search for a wife in FSU.  I talked to him as he communicated with a number of girls and he raved about them. Eventually he was in another relationship, with a St. Petersburg girl.  He tried to talk me into a FSUW search but I was dating an AW.

That relationship ended and I continued doing online dating here. I found it to be an ordeal.  As I have told people before, it seemed to resemble a job search during a bad economy.  You carefully prepare a resume, trying to include everything helpful to secure a telephone interview for the job. With dating your profile is your resume.  And your initial email to get a girls interest corresponds to the cover letter you send with your resume, hoping to get the employer to read your resume instead of consigning it to the "round file".

And that's just the first round.  If you make it through this round, you get to an exchange of messages and then a first phone call, which corresponds to a telephone interview in a job search. For those of you who haven't been in the Western online dating world lately, you might be shocked at how much of a struggle it often is. I sent one girl a message asking if she would like to talk and she replied with a request that I answer 7-8 questions.  These were not questions that could be answered in one line; they were more like essay questions on a test.  My answers were satisfactory to her so she gave me her phone number and we ended up having several dates.

Another girl wrote to me that my profile showed that I liked to travel.  She asked me which destinations I visited in the last year, on trips not for business.  That year had been particularly busy at work and I hadn't taken any vacation.  I told her this and she replied by asking which destinations I had visited in the preceding year.  I gave her my list of places visited and she was satisfied with it.  But after another exchange of messages she told me that she didn't want to go out with me after all.  She explained that I had children and she had seen a number of relationships founder because of children.  She must have seen on my profile that I had children.

But, to continue with the job hunt analogy, many times I didn't get the interview (first date), but often I did get one.  But it was usually uphill from there, at least in girls who were reasonably attractive and not much overweight.  On one date the subject of "dating tests" came up.  I asked the girl if she had any.  She replied yes, that she ended her previous budding relationship after she asked the guy what he would order in a Chinese restaurant and he answered - almond chicken.  She was a foodie and did not regard this dish as sufficiently culinarily adventurous.

I had a fun date with another AW (after a lot of dates you know when things are going well and when they aren't).  At the end of it I asked her if she wanted to go out again and she said no, bc her winter hobby was cross-country skiing and I had told her on the phone that I didn't go cross-country skiing because I didn't like to be cold.

Among guys in the dating world here this sort of thing has come to be known as the 467 point checklist of stuff AW insist upon the guy having.  That is hyperbole, a huge exaggeration, but it conveys the point that a reasonably attractive and not overweight woman in the online dating world has lots of requirements in a guy. 

Sometimes a girl would tell me how many guys wrote to her on the sites and I got to the point where I could guess by her attractiveness how many messages a certain girl would receive.  I don't think they were exaggerating to make themselves look good because the numbers seemed to me proportionate to her attractiveness.  I could make a pretty good guess as to which girls got 2,000 messages a year, vs. 4,000 or 6,000.  And none of these girls were twenty-something beauties (to be fair, the 6,000 message per year girl was a 40-something beauty).

All of this attention has understandably made the relatively small number of single, attractive and not overweight AW without huge baggage extraordinarily picky.  Speaking of huge baggage, with one slender and attractive AW I made it through to the point where we were engaged to be married, only to have her go into a bout of major clinical depression (a lifelong condition for her) that resulted in her ending our engagement by sending me an email explaining that she had to end it because God told her we shouldn't be together.

People will respond that all AW aren't like this, and they are right.  There are lots of attractive, not overweight, and normal AW here.  The problem is the vast majority of them, at least the ones over 35, are married.  The competition is fierce for that relatively small number of single AW who are single, attractive, normal, and not overweight.

I dated several FSUW who lived here.  The difference between them and almost all AW I dated was stark.  The dates felt like dates I used to have instead of like a job interview. 

So finally I took my friend's advice and began a search for a FSUW.  It was eye-opening.  Soon after my search began I talked on skype with a very attractive Kazakh girl.  A week later I talked to a gorgeous RW.  When I saw her profile I thought she was out of my league, but I sent her a message anyway and she replied, then we talked on skype.  I found out my league was better there. 

Soon after that I began talking to a beautiful girl in Belarus. She walked home from work at lunch every day to talk to me on skype. We hit it off immediately and less than six weeks after our first conversation I touched down in Minsk and she met me at the airport. I had never in my life been in such an amazing relationship. 

After being in a relationship with someone like that, I couldn't go back to dating AW.  So to answer the question succinctly - I went to FSU because I found that I could find a girl who was attractive, slender, and wanted to have a serious relationship with me, one leading to marriage.