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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1775 on: August 05, 2015, 09:46:46 AM »
Someone needs to remind Azarov:

'May 22, 2014 ·  ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — President Vladimir Putin pledged Friday that Russia will respect the results of Ukraine's presidential election,...'

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1776 on: August 06, 2015, 09:20:47 AM »
Interesting video interview of Kryg mercenary.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1777 on: August 06, 2015, 11:56:39 AM »
As to NATO, I often enjoy taunting Russians who at typically ignorant of the fact that Moscow allowed the establishment of a NATO base inside Russia, as part of the Western led conflict in Afghanistan. Then, Russia enjoyed the rent money earned from NATO, although it ended up that the base was rarely used. Both sides agreed to end the arrangement, but the average Russian seems unaware that such a thing existed.

The arrangement was set up in 2012, but was terminated in 2013. Most comically, was the fact that the air base was in Ulyanovsk, birthplace of Vladimir Lenin.

For Russian readers who typically think such an idea is a Western lie, here is a report from the Kremlin owned and controlled Russia Beyond the Headlines on the reasons why the arrangement just didn't work out long term.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1778 on: August 06, 2015, 11:59:05 AM »
Two important reports from VICE news on the establishment of rotating NATO reaction forces along Polish and Baltic borders:






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Russian TV Deserters Divulge Details On Kremlin’s Ukraine ‘Propaganda’
« Reply #1779 on: August 09, 2015, 03:56:21 AM »
More and more comes to light on the strategy of the Kremlin to create as much disinformation as possible .It does illustrate the degree of difficulty Russia really has to keep the lid on their antics for any length of time.


Russian TV Deserters Divulge Details On Kremlin’s Ukraine ‘Propaganda’


August 07, 2015

Former employees of Russia’s largest state-media holding have divulged behind-the-scenes details about what they portray as a Kremlin propaganda campaign to deliberately mislead and inflame television audiences with news coverage of the Ukraine conflict.

The Russian culture website Colta.ru this week published tell-all accounts by two people about their time working at VGTRK, Russia’s main state broadcasting company, whose networks included the national Rossia-1 channel.

They describe how Kremlin officials dictated to VGTRK management and editors how news events should be covered, including whether incendiary buzzwords to discredit Ukraine should be deployed on air.

One source said weather reports were even used for propaganda purposes after Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea territory in March 2014 and the ensuing war between Kyiv’s forces and Russian-backed separatists that the UN says has killed more than 6,400 people.

The August 6 report by Colta.ru did not identify the two sources by name. Their testimony was gathered by Aleksandr Orlov, a former deputy editor in chief with VGTRK’s 24-hour news network, Rossia-24.

Orlov, who says he was fired two years ago for his support of Russian opposition leader Aleksei Navalny, is currently writing a book about Russian television.

http://www.rferl.org/content/russian-television-whistleblowers-kremlin-propaganda/27178109.html
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Russian Publisher Rewrites Books on Putin Without Western Authors’ Consent
« Reply #1780 on: August 17, 2015, 03:19:00 AM »
THE JOKE OF RUSSIA CONTINUES- no end of absurdities.

Russian Publisher Rewrites Books on Putin Without Western Authors’ Consent

MOSCOW — In the original 2012 form of “Expelled: A Journalist’s Descent Into the Russian Mafia State,” the British journalist Luke Harding gives a personal account of the harassment he and his family experienced at the hands of the F.S.B., the chief successor agency to the K.G.B. It covers his time in Russia as he reported on such stories as the radiation poisoning of the former F.S.B. officer Alexander V. Litvinenko and the murder of the human rights activist Natalya Estemirova.

But a new version, published without consultation with Mr. Harding this year by a Russian house, Algoritm Publishers, bears only a fleeting resemblance to the original, the author said by telephone from London.

“They took out Litvinenko, F.S.B. methods, the harassment that my family faced,” Mr. Harding said, as well as the war in Georgia and the murders of Kremlin critics such as Ms. Estemirova. The new version of the book was released as part of a series about President Vladimir V. Putin.

“Crimea is missing,” added Mr. Harding, who was expelled from Russia in 2011. “What is fascinating is that Putin and the money trail are there. It’s almost an indicator about the red lines on publishing in Russia. Ukraine is taboo. Litvinenko is taboo. Putin and money are not taboo.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/world/europe/russian-publisher-rewrites-books-on-putin-without-western-authors-consent.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
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Woman who sued pro-Putin Russian 'troll factory' gets one ruble in damages
« Reply #1781 on: August 18, 2015, 02:40:28 AM »
Agency that hired people to write pro-Kremlin propaganda was sued by ex-employee Lyudmila Savchuk to ‘bring the internet trolls out of the shade’
 Savchukand other employees were paid to bombard website comment pages with praise for eulogies of Kremlin strongman Vladimir Putin

Woman who sued pro-Putin Russian 'troll factory' gets one ruble in damages

’A Russian court has ordered a secretive pro-Putin “propaganda factory” to pay symbolic damages to an employee who sued them in a bid to expose the workings of the Kremlin’s online trolls.


Russian 'troll factory' sued for underpayment and labour violations
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The Agency for Internet Studies, which hired people to write pro-Kremlin propaganda from a nondescript St Petersburg address, was sued by ex-employee Lyudmila Savchuk for alleged non-payment of wages and for failing to give workers proper contracts.

The freelance journalist claimed she had gone undercover as a pro-government internet troll to expose the outfit.

A judge ordered the shadowy agency to pay Savchuk symbolic damages of one rouble after the two sides had earlier agreed on compensation worth one month’s salary.

“I am very happy with this victory. I achieved my aim, which was to bring the internet trolls out of the shade,” said Savchuk, 34.

For a monthly salary of 40,000 to 50,000 roubles (£490/US$750), Savchuk and other employees bombarded website comment pages with praise for Vladimir Putin.


Unmasked after two months in the job, Savchuk was sacked after she published articles under a pseudonym in local newspapers denouncing the “propaganda factory”.

The Kremlin has claimed that it has no links to the operations of the Agency for Internet Studies.

Authorities in Russia have intensified a propaganda campaign as the crisis over Ukraine has sent tensions with the west soaring to their highest level since the cold war.

The west and Ukraine accuse Russia of sending its troops to fight in its ex-Soviet neighbour but Putin flatly denies the claim and Russia’s state media has done all it can to deflect the accusations.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/agence-france-presse-woman-who-sued-pro-putin-russian-troll-factory-gets-one-rouble-in-damages-395977.html

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1782 on: August 19, 2015, 08:25:30 PM »
This video shows a protest inside of Donetsk. The second part of the video shows Moscow's edited version of events.



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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1783 on: August 20, 2015, 08:46:58 AM »
Very accurate at how news is presented in Russia. Sad, but true.

Sergei Ivanov, who will likely be the replacement in the Kremlin at some point (he is now head of the Presidential administration), spoke at the Congress of Foreign Journalists in June. One could not help but smile when he, with a straight face, told foreign journalists serving in Russia that the Russia press is free and there is no unified editorial slant to Russian reporting. The fact that Russian media has been reorganized into a "power vertical" of its own, with two persons at the top in charge of all news media, apparently allows journalists (those not fired) to be more "free" and objective. He went on to say that those of us who report differently about Russian news media are spreading false propaganda about Russia.

When asked about the rise of neo-Nazi movements inside Russia, he brushed it aside and instead turned the question to the supposed control of Ukraine by Nazis and pointed to the three Baltic states of Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania as the home of neo-Nazi movements in Europe. That is a HUGE hint as to where the Kremlin might venture next after Ukraine.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1784 on: August 20, 2015, 09:34:28 AM »
That posted video is a perfect example of West news versus Moscow's RT.
It even show's DNR's leader talking about 'camps' for women, men, and children in western Ukraine. Sick.

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Trolls on tour: how Kremlin money buys Western journalists
« Reply #1785 on: August 21, 2015, 02:06:39 AM »
More worth reading--it adds to what we do know.  It would make selling your soul tempting to some dipheaads-even yusing any means at your disposal  eg--like a forum???!! :)

Money for “the truth“
At the latest, from the Berlin exhibition on the project expanded its activity field and now also offered money “to support journalists all over the world who are ready to compile unique and truthful reports about the situation in countries hit by civil wars.“ Those interested were supposed to participate in a competition. The available amounts were listed on a corresponding website:

“Journalistic investigation – 20 000 euros
Documentary 15 000 euros
Special Report 10 000 euros
PhotoReport 10 000 euros
News piece 10 000 euros
Article 10 000 euros“[54]

Benjamin Hiller’s Berlin address is identical with the one of Coterie Collective [55], a small group of independent journalists including Hiller [56], Flo Smith [57] and Julian Haas [58]. Apparently, these three are from the left-wing, alternative scene. Connections to Russia or Eastern Europe in general cannot be discerned. Flo Smith spent time in Iraq in July 2014 and took photos there in the name of Material Evidence [59]. Evidently, Material Evidence participated in financing this research trip. Benjamin Hiller has recently confirmed as much to us in an e-mail.

Trolls on tour: how Kremlin money buys Western journalists


Russian ultranationalists are trying to buy Western journalists: who is behind all of this?
In the summer of 2014, a photographic exhibition on the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria appeared in Berlin and Brussels. Its advertising promised to present a “balanced, truthful picture.” The organizers meticulously disguised their identities. At the same time, they offered huge amounts of money to Western journalists without mentioning the conditions. The Kentrails research collective, an antifascist watchgroup, has researched the exhibition’s background and uncovered a propaganda network in which Russian right-wing extremists collaborate with the Kremlin-associated St. Petersburg “troll factory” in an attempt to impact the Western public.
On 23 December 2013 a photographic exhibition called Material evidence. Syria (“ВеЩдоки. Сирия”) opened in Moscow. It was organized by the periodical Zhurnalistskaya Pravda (ZhP, Eng. “Journalistic Truth”) – this was announced by the ultranationalist magazine Zavtra [1] (Eng. „Tomorrow“) on the same day. A slideshow in the article shows a number of photos of the event, including one showing one of the lecturers in front of a poster with both the logo of ZhP and the logo of the exhibition[2].

The man can clearly be identified as Vladislav Shurygin, a Zavtra editor[3] and editor-in-chief of ZhP[4]. One day later, Shurygin himself in his blog boasted[5]: „We have opened a great exhibition!“ He continues by explicitly naming ZhP as the initiator of the project and by explaining that it was one of the exhibition’s purposes to show that the Syrian government with Russia’s support conducts a fight against „thugs and mercenaries.“ These would be financed by „Islamist extremist sects“ from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

The exhibition Material evidence. Syria should also be shown in the North Caucasus as soon as possible. One photo shows the photographer Aybulat Akbutin, another one shows Shurygin in person in front of a notable exhibit: a wrecked white minibus. On 10 January 2014, Zhurnalistskaya Pravda covers the exhibition again[6]. The photos shown there would have been created on a research trip, in which the photographers Aybulat Akbutin[7] and Halit Safin[8] would have participated as well as the „military correspondent“ Ilja Kramnik[9] and another, unnamed man who was in charge of security. They would also have brought exhibits home from the trip. According to Aybulat Akbutin, it was especially difficult to transport the minibus destroyed in a bomb attack from Syria to Moscow.

On tour in Russia
On 15-25 February, Material evidence. Syria was shown in the Russian town of Ufa, capital of the constituent republic of Bashkortostan in the Volga region. In one of the pictures of the exhibition the white minibus can be clearly spotted again [10].

Apart from the photographers Akbutin and Safin, also the deputy chief editor of Zhurnalistskaya Pravda, Denis Tukmakov, was present, who, on this occasion, gave an interview to his own magazine [11]. In it, he stated that Russian citizens would have to understand that from the USSR’s dissolution onward, war was coming closer and closer. Russia was on the radar screen of international terrorism, which aimed at establishing a „New World Order.“ The biggest threat, according to him, was lurking in the Volga region and Northern Caucasus.

On February 28, Denis Tukmakov posted a picture in Facebook showing him guiding Rustem Chamitow, President of Bashkortostan, through the exhibition room [12]. At the beginning of March, the exhibition reached Grozny, the capital of the North Caucasian constituent republic of Chechnya, and it was also shown there for ten days. At the vernissage on March 7, Syria’s ambassador Riad Haddad voiced his appreciation for Chechnya’s tyrant Ramzan Kadyrov in front of journalists and clerics as well as the parliament’s speaker, Dukuvakha Abdurakhmanov. Haddad called for concerted actions against Islamism [13]. Once more, the visitors were especially impressed by the white minibus [14].

A new topic
On 7 April 2014, the official facebook page of Zhurnalistskaya Pravda [15] had a new announcement up for its fans. The sequel of the successful Material evidence. Syria exhibition was to be opened the next day. Unlike its predecessor, this project would get its own Facebook page [16].

„There is a lot to see!“ Vladislav Shurygin wrote, as he called to visit on April 16 [17]. The new exhibition displaying pictures of Maidan street battles was to be seen in Russia’s capital during April 8-22[18].

This time, according to ZhP’s website, photographers Vasiliy Prokhanov, Dmitriy Mikhailov  „and others“ spent two weeks in Kyiv. The announcement promised to provide explanations of what was going on in Ukraine at the time. Media representatives were requested to contact the given telephone number, the owner of which was only referred to as „Aleksandr“ [19]. In an interview with the newspaper Sobesednik, a man with this name was introduced as the “director” of the exhibition [20].

Russian media outlet TVC announced that the exhibition had been classified for adults only, due to its graphic content. Vladislav Shurygin told journalists that he had seen the horrors of Maidan with his own eyes while being in Ukraine with a team of journalists. Another person, who had seemingly participated in the trip, Nikita Jurchenko of ZhP depicted his impressions as well [21].

News agency RIA Novosti named Shurygin as organisator of Material evidence. Ukraine [22].

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/20/trolls-on-tour-how-kremlin-money-buys-western-journalists/
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1786 on: August 21, 2015, 02:20:16 AM »
As to NATO, I often enjoy taunting Russians who at typically ignorant of the fact that Moscow allowed the establishment of a NATO base inside Russia, as part of the Western led conflict in Afghanistan. Then, Russia enjoyed the rent money earned from NATO, although it ended up that the base was rarely used. Both sides agreed to end the arrangement, but the average Russian seems unaware that such a thing existed.

The arrangement was set up in 2012, but was terminated in 2013. Most comically, was the fact that the air base was in Ulyanovsk, birthplace of Vladimir Lenin.

For Russian readers who typically think such an idea is a Western lie, here is a report from the Kremlin owned and controlled Russia Beyond the Headlines on the reasons why the arrangement just didn't work out long term.

While I do not taunt others. It should be pointed out the allied forces (primarily American) during the Second World War maintained a military (air force) base in present day Ukraine. They used it to bomb targets in Germany and Italy, with the planes departing from England, dropping there munitions and flying onto Poltava and than returning refueled with new munitions.
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Russia's fake Ukraine war report exposed in Putin PR disaster
« Reply #1787 on: August 26, 2015, 10:26:39 PM »
It was a toss up if this story should have gone in the "Russian Idiot Of The Day" Thread--- but the never ending ridiculous propaganda attempts need to be seen--to believe how ridiculous they are !

WATCH: Russia's fake Ukraine war report exposed in Putin PR disaster



RUSSIAN President Vladimir Putin's twisted propaganda machine has been revealed after a fake news report purported to be from the conflict in Ukraine was leaked online.


In the extraordinary clip a Russian parliament employee pretending to be near the volatile frontline of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine bursts out laughing as her cover is blown.

A light is switched on and Maria Katasonova, who works for a Russian MP, is revealed to be standing in a darkened room as recorded explosions play in the background.

With the cover blown, Katasonova then quickly orders her friend to stop shooting.

The fake war report, which has already been seen over a million times on YouTube, is an embarrassing propaganda fail for Putin, who is trying to win the PR war alongside the military one in Ukraine.

The Kremlin has been trying to portray the Ukrainian government forces as the aggressors in the conflict despite a fragile ceasefire holding.

The West has accused Putin of propping up the Ukrainian rebels and supplying them with soldiers and tanks - a claim the Russian leader denies.

At the start of the video, Katasonova, an assistant to the nationalist MP Evgeny Fedorov, claimed: "We are now only 1,000 feet away from the front line, the Ukrainian army started shelling at 5 o’clock."
Katasonova describes the scene to the camera as the sounds of shelling explosions go off all around her.

However, the young Maria Katasonova, who has a record of starring in extreme propaganda videos, couldn't keep a straight face and soon bursts out laughing.

The lights are then switched on in the room and her propaganda scam operation is uncovered.

Commenters on social websites have branded the clumsy news report attempt as a perfect example of how the manipulative Russian propaganda machine works.

YouTube user Gus condemned the footage saying: "This is obviously fake and provocative, it is simple and cheap to make."

Angry GarisMan says: "Am I the only one who sees this video is fake?"

Don Ivanov posted: "It is a video for Russian nationalists from Putinland! Shame to Russian TV!"

The controversial Katasonova is known for spreading her radical political views and has supported attacks on anti-military rallies in the past.

She writes in a pro-Kremlin newspaper and claims to be in Donetsk supporting the separatists - however this latest PR gaffe throws that claim into question.

Katasonova appeared in a video earlier this year holding a Kalashnikov and threatening the West with nuclear destruction if it interferes in Ukraine.

She now works for Mr Fyodorov, who is one the longest-serving deputies in the Russian parliament and the leader of the National Liberation Movement in Russia.

Neither she nor the MP have commented on the publicity fail.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/600413/Russia-s-fake-Ukraine-war-report-exposed-Putin-PR-disaster


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1788 on: August 29, 2015, 03:01:49 AM »
Sometimes one just can't make this stuff up.

Russian news journal Деловая жизнь (Business Life) apparently didn't get the memo about a ban on reporting any news that might indicate Russian forces are in Ukraine.

In an article on the economy, the section that detailed military spending included several details that apparently slipped by editors. According to the report:

- For fiscal year 2014 the government paid 3 million rubles to families of Russian soldiers who had been killed in the Ukrainian war zone (2,000 fatalities).

- For fiscal year 2014 the government compensated soldiers with disabilities stemming from fighting in Eastern Ukraine with 1.5 million rubles (3,200 Russian soldiers).


Two days after publication the journal suddenly pulled the story and censored the information about Ukraine. However, thanks to archiving, Russian language readers can still have access to the report, here.

And, if things couldn't get any worse for those who have swallowed the lie of no Russian soldiers in Ukraine, the original report revealed the extra amount that the government will pay "contract" soldiers for Ukraine duty in 2015: 1,800 rubles per day ($28 USD). For some soldiers that is a doubling of their monthly income.

A "contract" soldier is one who remains in the military past the conscription period. Larger bonuses are paid for specialists, such as officers, tank engineers and trained fire control personnel, as these are in higher demand.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1789 on: September 03, 2015, 04:47:16 AM »
In Donbass goes genocide of the Russian people.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1790 on: September 03, 2015, 04:54:35 AM »
The Russia has thousands of refugees from the Donbass.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1791 on: September 03, 2015, 09:06:46 AM »
In Donbass goes genocide of the Russian people.






Good example of propaganda.


There is no genocide of Russian people in Donbas.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1792 on: September 03, 2015, 09:07:48 AM »
The Russia has thousands of refugees from the Donbass.


Most refugees from Donbas are internally displaced, meaning they've moved to other regions of Ukraine.


There are also refugees from Donbas in my country (Canada), I've met them.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1793 on: September 03, 2015, 09:50:48 AM »
There is no genocide of Russian people in Donbas/
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I live in Russia, and I know nothing about my country, as you know. Very strange.If they kill  Russian people,it is not genocide?We are all Russian we are Slavs.We have propaganda, but you do not have?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1794 on: September 03, 2015, 09:55:38 AM »



Good example of propaganda.


There is no genocide of Russian people in Donbas.
I live in Russia, and I know nothing about my country, as you know. Very strange.If they kill  Russian people,it is not genocide?We are all Russian we are Slavs.We have propaganda, but you do not have?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1795 on: September 03, 2015, 09:58:35 AM »
No, most people here don't care about Donbas, so we don't have propaganda.

Genocide is defined as "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group".

The conflict in the Donbas was perpetrated not by Ukrainians, but by people living in Donbas.  The first victim of the conflict was an ethnic Ukrainian mayor who did not support protesters.  The second or third victim was a 16 year old boy from Western Ukraine, a student, murdered because he could not speak Russian.

There are thousands of ethnic Russians in Kyiv, no one harasses them for being Russian.  My mother in law is an ethnic Russian, she doesn't speak Ukrainian, and no one bothers her.

The death of those in Donbas is not related to their ethnic origin.  Consequently, yes, what you posted is propaganda, and its intended audience is ethnic Russians in Russia. 
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1796 on: September 03, 2015, 10:07:04 AM »
No, most people here don't care about Donbas, so we don't have propaganda.

Genocide is defined as "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group".

The conflict in the Donbas was perpetrated not by Ukrainians, but by people living in Donbas.  The first victim of the conflict was an ethnic Ukrainian mayor who did not support protesters.  The second or third victim was a 16 year old boy from Western Ukraine, a student, murdered because he could not speak Russian.

There are thousands of ethnic Russians in Kyiv, no one harasses them for being Russian.  My mother in law is an ethnic Russian, she doesn't speak Ukrainian, and no one bothers her.

The death of those in Donbas is not related to their ethnic origin.  Consequently, yes, what you posted is propaganda, and its intended audience is ethnic Russians in Russia.

Ukrainians in Odessa shouting "Russian killing."
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1797 on: September 03, 2015, 10:09:25 AM »
It's not moving. They run away from the war.


That is why I stated they are "internally displaced"

Let's not forget who started this war.  Who were the first self appointed "leaders" of the DNR/LNR?


Igor Girkin - A native of Moscow, a "retired" FSB colonel (retired immediately before moving to Donetsk).

Alexander Borodai -
another Muscovite, a journalist for the ultranationalist paper Zavtra.  According to Pravda, a deputy director of the FSB.


Vladimir Antiufeef - Former commander of internal affairs in Latvia before the collapse of the USSR, who fled to Moscow after an assassination attempt.


When the fact the leaders of an allegedly nascent "Russian movement" on Ukrainian territory was mocked, Moscow eventually pulled its very visible operatives out of Donbas, and replaced them with locals.  Yup, an unemployed electrician with no military training certainly is natural "leadership material", and has the ability to command military units and develop military strategy.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1798 on: September 03, 2015, 10:12:13 AM »
Ukrainians in Odessa shouting "Russian killing."


Read the narrative of an Odesa native.  He is an ethnic Russian, by the way, and he has posted that his Ukrainian language is not fluent -


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17913.msg375978#msg375978
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1799 on: September 03, 2015, 10:37:51 AM »
A report on the wealth of the Kremlin appointed leaders of Donbas.  This is from a Russian newspaper.


http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/69639.html

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