More Bad News for Russia

[Boethius]

Funny how many of you grasp any article that supports your POV, as if it is some sacred 100% fact telling story.
I wonder how many of you would have same position if Ukraine didn't offer their women as a possible partner or as many of you call a 'hot smoking novas'.

Raises hand.

[Boethius]

Here is an article on life in the DNR.  There are a lot of articles like this.  Are they self selected?   Perhaps.  Things aren't rosy in Kyiv, either.  But at least in the latter, people aren't afraid authorities will lock them up and beat them for no reason.


http://en.censor.net.ua/resonance/313049/we_were_tortured_next_to_the_osce_cars_but_they_never_noticed_us_donetsk_resident_svitlana_matushko

[calmissile]

Link broken?

[Doll]

Iff the USA begin providing weapon the it will mean the US is OPENLY involved in this conflict.
It is like Russia will provide Iraq with weapon.
Ukraine in even not NATO member.

[sleepycat]

Iff the USA begin providing weapon the it will mean the US is OPENLY involved in this conflict.

Afraid the 'Cargo 200' convoys back to Russia will get busier?

[calmissile]

Iff the USA begin providing weapon the it will mean the US is OPENLY involved in this conflict.
It is like Russia will provide Iraq with weapon.
Ukraine in even not NATO member.

Yes, it should have happened many months ago!     

[ML]

Washington (AFP) - The US military has delivered three radars to Ukraine designed to detect incoming mortar fire, the Pentagon said Friday, amid appeals from Kiev for Washington to send weapons to help fight pro-Russian rebels.

The counter-mortar radar systems were flown to Ukraine in a C-17 cargo plane that accompanied US Vice President Joe Biden, who paid a visit to Kiev on the first anniversary of protests that unleashed a year of upheaval.

A total of 20 counter-mortar radar systems were due to be delivered over the next several weeks, and Ukrainian troops would undergo training on the radars starting in mid-December, Pentagon spokesman Colonel Steven Warren said.

The radars detect incoming mortar rounds and then calculate the origin of the mortar fire. The systems can be hooked up to mortar or artillery batteries which then return fire.

"It will be up to the Ukrainians how, when and where they deploy these systems," Warren said.

President Barack Obama has so far ruled out providing weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, and instead approved the delivery of "non-lethal" assistance such as radars, night vision goggles, radios, rations, body armor and other items.

But at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing earlier this week, Tony Blinken, who is nominated for a senior diplomatic post, said the United States should consider providing Ukraine with "defensive" weapons.

"I think it is something that we should be looking at," Blinken said.

Ukrainian leaders and some US lawmakers have repeatedly urged Obama to send arms to the Kiev government but the Pentagon said there had been no change in the current approach.

"To my knowledge, there is no new policy decision to announce," Warren told reporters.

Russia, which denies Western accusations it is supplying and advising rebels in eastern Ukraine, has warned the Americans against arming Ukrainian government troops.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-delivers-anti-mortar-radars-ukraine-pentagon-222447307.html

[AkMike]

Iff the USA begin providing weapon the it will mean the US is OPENLY involved in this conflict.
It is like Russia will provide Iraq with weapon.
Ukraine in even not NATO member.

Is this different than Russia invading UA as well as supplying the few domestic terrorists? Once again the US is trying to help the little guy against the big bad bear of the tiaga that tries to eat them.

[Boethius]

Link broken?

It's working for me.

[Boethius]

Iff the USA begin providing weapon the it will mean the US is OPENLY involved in this conflict.
It is like Russia will provide Iraq with weapon.
Ukraine in even not NATO member.

Why should Ukraine be precluded from defending itself?   Sometimes, right is right.

[Doll]

Guys, why are so sure that  USA  can integer in the conflict it has nothing to do with?
Same with Iran and Iraq (again)

[Doll]

Why should Ukraine be precluded from defending itself?   Sometimes, right is right.

So you too are sure that the USA can bomb Iran and Iraq and provide weapon for Ukraine ?
What " right is right"?
It means nothing

[Boethius]

The U.S. is not bombing Iran.


Sometimes, one has to take a stand.  The Donbas was overtaken by mercenaries and criminals, not locals who wanted separation.  There were few ways, short of military action, to deal with them.  When they were about to be defeated, Russia sent arms and troops.  Providing Ukrainians with equipment to defend themselves in such a situation is justifiable.

[AkMike]

If Russia would have left UA to seek it's own way and not have invaded then the US would be selling or giving arms. Understand?

 Russia invaded and has killed Ukrainians IN Ukraine.

 Ukraine needs help to kill the bear of the tiaga that's invading it's home. Almost all the countries of the world agree on this.

 The US and other are going to help with this as well as crippling the economy of Russia until the bear goes back to the tiaga. Understand? 

[AkMike]

Boe, did you see the news about Russian FSU Col. Girkin admitting to starting the war?

 I saw it at Moscow Times IIRC.

[LAman]

Boe, did you see the news about Russian FSU Col. Girkin admitting to starting the war?

 I saw it at Moscow Times IIRC.

How do you decide when someone is lying and telling the truth??? When it suits your agenda or POV?

[LAman]

Interesting article I read.......the 2 articles here sum up things well I thought.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mauldin-on-russia-2014-11

[fathertime]

Funny how many of you grasp any article that supports your POV, as if it is some sacred 100% fact telling story.
I wonder how many of you would have same position if Ukraine didn't offer their women as a possible partner or as many of you call a 'hot smoking novas'. 

If it weren't for Ukraine containing the women, I suspect these guys would give exactly zero sh!ts!


That said, I think the reason posters 'grasp' at some of these articles is because in the present things are not going the way they think they should, so wishing and hoping that evil Russia 'pays' someday in the future gives people something to say.  It probably won't go down the way they hope, and perhaps believe, but for the moment it gives people joy, so I guess that is good. 


Fathertime!   

[AC]

Guys, why are so sure that  USA  can integer in the conflict it has nothing to do with?
Same with Iran and Iraq (again)

False.  Google the Budapest Memorandum and read it (doubt if you could fully comprehend it, but try).  The USA, the UK and France all have a legal right to come to the aid of Ukraine.  Ever hear of the United Nations?  Try clicking on the link (the green globe to the left) and read the overwhelming condemnation of the annexation of Crimea (again; you will simpley deny reality).

[Doll]

The U.S. is not bombing Iran.


Sometimes, one has to take a stand.  The Donbas was overtaken by mercenaries and criminals, not locals who wanted separation.  There were few ways, short of military action, to deal with them.  When they were about to be defeated, Russia sent arms and troops.  Providing Ukrainians with equipment to defend themselves in such a situation is justifiable.

Then no more questions
( the USA is bombing Iraq )

[Boethius]

Boe, did you see the news about Russian FSU Col. Girkin admitting to starting the war?

 I saw it at Moscow Times IIRC.

I read it, but I reject it as truth.

[AkMike]

How do you decide when someone is lying and telling the truth??? When it suits your agenda or POV?

If someone confesses that they started a war during an interview I'd suspect that it was truth.

 That's his agenda not mine.  My POV wasn't asked for during that news piece. Was your's?

[Boethius]

Then no more questions
( the USA is bombing Iraq )

I was always against the Iraq war, so you are barking up the wrong tree with that particular analogy.


In any event, it is irrelevant.  It is used by Putin to justify his illegal actions in Ukraine, where, unlike in Iraq, thousands were not being tortured to death in prisons, or gassed to death because they happened to belong to the wrong tribe.  The two situations are not analogous.

[fathertime]

I just recently saw a program about the war between Russia and Afghanistan, and how US was covertly involved( yet denying it) buying 'Russian made' weapons from Egypt to give to Mujahideen to fight the Russian army.

I would suspect that the US is once again secretly doing a little more currently to counter the separatists than they are admitting to publicly. They(we) probably did quite a bit more than has been publicly admitted to , to foment this thing as well.   Whatever we did in Afghanistan sure doesn't seem to have worked out well for most Americans or the Afghans...so who has benefited?


Fathertime

[AkMike]

War benefits no one.