Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Scammers and Suspect Agencies => Topic started by: joenaiz on December 18, 2018, 08:44:47 AM
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I have checked out many of them, none of them are honest, and only care about making money. They are dealing the chance of beautiful girls that you have almost no chance getting. I took 7 trips there and never even got close to finding a serious pretty girl. Only the unattractive ones are serious and some of them even aren't. Thousands of guys say the same thing. Even if you are lucky enough to find a pretty girl that will marry you, the divorce rate there is 80% and they will probably not stay with you. The are raised to disrespect men. Lying is also a way of life over there. They have no trouble at all using men as doormats and have no remorse. They blame you for being stupid enough to believe them. Watch the 90 Day fiancee on YouTube "Anfisa and Jorge" and the girl there is the same as all of pretty ones over there. Keep in mind this was young guy too with lots of money. The pretty girls are cold blooded, mean, and self centered. Do yourself a favor and look in the Philippines instead!! There, all the lies you were told about the Russian girls are true about those girls. There are still scammers, but the percentages are not nearly as high and when you find a girl there, you will have a great chance at marriage and having a good, giving, loyal wife. They are brought up to respect men there and there is almost no divorce. They also all speak English. They just want a man to really love them and don't care how old he is or what he looks like. THESE ARE PEARLS AND IT COST ME 7 TRIPS AND OVER $30,000 TO LEARN THIS. STAY THE AWAY FROM THE UKRAINE AND RUSSIA!! YOU WILL JUST BE TORTURING YOURSELF.
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sorry for your loss :(
but I think you learned the wrong lesson...
it's not that UKRAINE is bad, but AGENCIES are bad
I'm speaking as someone married to a UA woman and we have 2 children together
I didn't rely on an agency for anything
just went their on my own "to have fun"
and one of the women I was chasing ended up catching me instead ;)
I would ask you the following question
since you have traveled there, and have some familiarity with Ukraine
why wouldn't you just go there on your own?
or use Russian social media?
I think the time for agencies has past
I'm guessing you're not a social media person,
so you haven't really considered the possibility
mind if I ask some personal questions?
age, etc,
what's your dating/relationship history?
not all women are selfish narcissists (though I've met my share)
Ukraine is also full of sweet village girls who
1. don't know how stunningly beautiful they are
2. have only known hard work and hardship
3. have never been treated nicely by a man
4. are quite impoverished
when I was in Ukraine, I selected these girls and they never disappointed me, not once!
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You are wrong in most of your assumptions. You sound arrogant, like so many of the girls over there, so that may have contributed to finding someone like you.
I went on my own most of the time. I went to a Russian orthodox church for years and knew hundreds of Russian girls. I have tried to get to know many russian girls on Facebook and VK and they are all cold blooded! I am speaking from vast experience!
You were successful many years ago when things were not as bad as they are now. I was in my forties, tall, and not overweight. The girls attitudes are the problem, not just the agencies. You have had to notice how cold they are. Most of the time they are rude too.
The chances are much slimmer now!!! It has all been commercialized and scamming is a way of life over there now. I have no doubt the girls would stay with someone very rich, but let a richer, better looking guy come along, and she will be gone.
I have some questions for you. How old were you? What do you look like? How much money did you have? Are you still wealthy now?
It is not impossible over there, it is just damn difficult, and I wouldn't trust any of them to stay with you. Do you guys really want to gamble that much when things are so much better in the Philippines??
Guys here are lucky to have the information I have provided. I wish someone would have said the truth more in the areas I researched before I wasted all my time and money going. If you don't believe me, go and learn for yourself. Just don't say you weren't warned!!
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"I have some questions for you. How old were you? What do you look like? How much money did you have? Are you still wealthy now?"
I was 40 on my first trip, a 6 month sabbatical in Kyiv
dark blond/brownish hair, blue eyes, tall, slim, probably a B- in appearance
I was a self-employed Silicon Valley Engineer and owned my own house there
yes, I'm "doing OK"
I was just over in Crimea this past July, and I have two teenage daughters
so you can guess my age
the whole time I was in Crimea I got tons of female attention
if I were single I would have had a sleep-over in my first week, no problem...
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joenaiz what you say about agencies is probably true from what I've heard. I met my wife while on business in Moscow. Lots of Americans work there despite the frosty relations between our two countries.
It's not true that RW are all gold diggers and disrespect men. Don't whether or not you've heard this but the Russian and Ukrainian governments have actually stated that many foreign men in the country are there as sex tourists and only want sex from the local women they date.
IMO the best thing you can do is learn some of the local language. In Moscow, Moscow State University offers excellent courses in Russian that have students from all over the world. Took some courses there and met women from not only all over Europe but also from China, Japan, Canada, etc. If you can arrange a stay of a month plus in Moscow take lessons. The fact that you're learning the language will help immensely it will show RW that you have a reason to be in Moscow and are not a sex tourist.
If you can stay longer get a job teaching English, even if you don't need the money. It will make getting a visa easier and will show RW you have a reason to be in Moscow. It really isn't that hard to meet RW in their own country, it just takes a little planning and prep work.
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"I have some questions for you. How old were you? What do you look like? How much money did you have? Are you still wealthy now?"
I was 40 on my first trip, a 6 month sabbatical in Kyiv
dark blond/brownish hair, blue eyes, tall, slim, probably a B- in appearance
I was a self-employed Silicon Valley Engineer and owned my own house there
yes, I'm "doing OK"
I was just over in Crimea this past July, and I have two teenage daughters
so you can guess my age
the whole time I was in Crimea I got tons of female attention
if I were single I would have had a sleep-over in my first week, no problem...
The K asked the relevant question in the first line above -- and the next part is - the op profile -- tell us about yourself and let us see what sort of guy you are -- that is a very important point. Then -- tell us about the "girls" you pursued and how you did that.
None of that is to say your conclusions are wrong or unreasonable -- but for me --I want to know a lot more.
As for Krimster comments --he needs a rider on his posts -that explains it was 20+ years ago that he had exposure to any of this -- and it was a TOTALLY different scenario than today.
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"As for Krimster comments --he needs a rider on his posts -that explains it was 20+ years ago that he had exposure to any of this -- and it was a TOTALLY different scenario than today.
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TOTALLY different?
my last trip 6 months ago showed me the exact opposite
if you understand the meaning of "you can't cheat an honest man"
then you'll understand how not to get scammed in Ukraine
unfortunately 99% of guys have "no skills" when it comes to Ukraine
so they take shortcuts and use agencies
and the agencies are scams to varying degree
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I've had lots of girls tell me how handsome I am and I am very tall. That not important though, if you believe all the hype out there. Everyone thinks they are a good catch and, the girls over there really do!!! I considered the idea I could be the problem, but after meeting some nice girls, I realized the eastern european girls were the problem. Especially after seeing how they behaved at church in the USA too.
If you are so serious, go and see for yourself guys. I'm not answering anymore questions. I have already been very generous to try and help this way. It cost me a lot to learn this!!! The best convincer now will be for you to go there. Just don't be surprised if you realize you are wasting your time and money. Thousands of guys have felt the same as me. Divorce rate is 80%, that alone should give you pause.
I am a persistent guy and I figured there had to be some good ones I could find, but after dating at least 40, I realized I was wrong. Not many guys can stay for months or scour the countryside. If you have time and money for all that... good luck.
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wait a second....
IS THIS THE BEARD???????
“I've had lots of girls tell me how handsome I am and I am very tall. That not important though”
no, not the most important thing by any means...
but I don’t believe that it’s “all the fault of Ukrainian women” either
so I’m fishing for an explanation to explain your lack of success
to do so you have to open a can of worms...
you really had 40 dates in Ukraine and couldn’t connect with at least one?
I find that difficult to believe...
my own success rate starting out was about 50%, once I “learned the ropes” it was 100%
yeah, most guys couldn’t live there like me
but you don’t need to, I literally walked into the library of Taras Shevchenko University and walked out with a 19 yr old an hour later one time...
I had to return her two weeks later
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"As for Krimster comments --he needs a rider on his posts -that explains it was 20+ years ago that he had exposure to any of this -- and it was a TOTALLY different scenario than today.
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TOTALLY different?
my last trip 6 months ago showed me the exact opposite
if you understand the meaning of "you can't cheat an honest man"
then you'll understand how not to get scammed in Ukraine
unfortunately 99% of guys have "no skills" when it comes to Ukraine
so they take shortcuts and use agencies
and the agencies are scams to varying degree
Different = far more reason ( ie incentive) for a girl to "escape" 20+ years ago -- and therefore look at what would now be deemed as unacceptable partner more favourably back then ( not to say that was the K case -history tends to say he has "succeeded!!)
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I have checked out many of them, none of them are honest, and only care about making money.
So now you know, that agencies are a serious problem. If you would have arrived here first
we could have told you that.
RWD Ten Commandments
#3. Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0
If you think that you've found a solution to all your agency problems in the Philippines then
you are mistaken. You still need to use RWD Commandment number three. Many of the
companies are the same as the Russian companies.
There is no Valhalla, no perfect solution, no magic beans. You have to go someplace, find a
girl, then win her heart. Anybody offering to help is after your wallet. That's why I recommend
that you learn to do this on your own. Then you don't need an agency, then it's boy meets girl
and basic biology.
Udachi!
Bill
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I've had lots of girls tell me how handsome I am and I am very tall. That not important though, if you believe all the hype out there. Everyone thinks they are a good catch and, the girls over there really do!!! I considered the idea I could be the problem, but after meeting some nice girls, I realized the eastern european girls were the problem. Especially after seeing how they behaved at church in the USA too.
If you are so serious, go and see for yourself guys. I'm not answering anymore questions. I have already been very generous to try and help this way. It cost me a lot to learn this!!! The best convincer now will be for you to go there. Just don't be surprised if you realize you are wasting your time and money. Thousands of guys have felt the same as me. Divorce rate is 80%, that alone should give you pause.
I am a persistent guy and I figured there had to be some good ones I could find, but after dating at least 40, I realized I was wrong. Not many guys can stay for months or scour the countryside. If you have time and money for all that... good luck.
You are helping us? Really -- how exactly is that? If you had bothered to read the forum -- 2000 miles of info on agencies is already here .
My point above ( some of the silly members here think my question inappropriate) is that not just any guy will succeed -- and not just any particular method will "succeed" !
I ask about guys for a reason -- I have seen a lot of what I call very very strange guys from western countries in Ukraine-- with totally unrealistic expectations -- and reading your comments -- I see some abnormal ideas -- so-- I would like to know more about you etc and how you "searched" and what part agencies played in all this -- and of course - the process.
BTW -- define "dating" ? :) :deadhorse:
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Ukrainian GDP over the last decade has declined
http://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp
while Amurica’s has grown by 20%
http://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp
so the economic divide is GROWING not SHRINKING for Ukraine
whatever benefit a WM derives from being part of a Western economy has only increased over the last 10 yrs
what IS NEW is “exposure”
the major cities of Ukraine have seen their share of western “expats on the prowl”
and this is NOT AT ALL a flattering picture!
but...
not so in the smaller places, there you can party like it’s 1999!!!
slovo brat!!!
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I think they OP is trying to promote a Philippine dating agency. 80% divorce rate? 91.4% of such statistics are made up and the other 97.3% are incorrect 67.9% of the time.
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that's true 92% of the time!
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Do yourself a favor and look in the Philippines instead!! There, all the lies you were told about the Russian girls are true about those girls. There are still scammers, but the percentages are not nearly as high and when you find a girl there, you will have a great chance at marriage and having a good, giving, loyal wife. They are brought up to respect men there and there is almost no divorce. They also all speak English. They just want a man to really love them and don't care how old he is or what he looks like. THESE ARE PEARLS AND IT COST ME 7 TRIPS AND OVER $30,000 TO LEARN THIS. STAY THE AWAY FROM THE UKRAINE AND RUSSIA!! YOU WILL JUST BE TORTURING YOURSELF.[/size][/font]
Any evidence that you are really the stupid American learning his lesson from the eighth time and not Philippines dating site owner? :P I never want to divorce my husband just to kill him (many times).
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Lon is the one to be admired -- still married and no news of him strangling you !! ;D :popcorn:
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Thanks for helping me make my case "whynotme". See how that message has such a sweet kind tone to it?? See? Arrogant, condescending women from there.
How does anyone figure I am promoting some agency if I didn't even mention one?? Someone that thinks I'm promoting something is lost. It is the gullible guys that the agencies and lying B#@%&$ live off of.
I never used an agency in the Philippines and would never recommend any of them. Did you read the title of my original post??? It said "ALL" not just the ones from eastern europe. I stopped using agencies right away because I could tell they were a scam. Most of my trips were on my own, but that did not change the women over there.
I was hurt a lot by the agencies and mostly the girls! I just wanted to try to keep the same fate from happening to other innocent men. These guys are lonely, most have good hearts, work hard to go over there, and the agencies and girls pray on them like sheep to the slaughter. They know they are pretty and use it to take advantage of the guy. I'm sure not all of them are like that, but the vast majority are.
If you don't believe me, then go and see for yourself. Then you will see I was trying to help.
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You're not wrong that scamming foreign men is a lucrative business for some in Ukraine, and a way for women to earn some pocket change. However, there also are sincere women looking for a husband, and you are absolutely wrong about FSUW disrespecting men.
Have you considered your own role in this?
This post was composed without the aid of google.
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I've had lots of girls tell me how handsome I am and I am very tall.
That not important though, if you believe all the hype out there. Everyone thinks they are a good
catch and, the girls over there really do!!! I considered the idea I could be the problem, but after
meeting some nice girls, I realized the eastern european girls were the problem.
150 million girls all got it wrong, but not you? Lucky for us, you got here just in time
to warn us about those bad, bad girls of Eastern Europe. Did you get an advance copy
of Santa's bad list?
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You're not wrong that scamming foreign men is a lucrative business for some in Ukraine,
and a way for women to earn some pocket change.
They have a wallet lightening industry in Kiev, Odessa and Nikolaev
However, there also are sincere women looking for a husband, and you are
absolutely wrong about FSUW disrespecting men.
Have you considered your own role in this?
No, you are wrong. ALL of the women in Eastern Europe are exactly the same
didn't you read what the OP wrote about them? He knows
We should all dump our Russian wives and find good wives in the Philippines.
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Any evidence that you are really the stupid American learning his lesson from the eighth time and not Philippines dating site owner? :P I never want to divorce my husband just to kill him (many times).
He must have been very lucky to survive this long.
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None of my messages were intended for men that are married to a eastern european woman, much less the women. They are not objective and will never admit it is not good to pursue them. I am speaking to the guys that are still looking. Keep that in mind if you read this far.
I am happily engaged after just 1 1/2 years and 3 trips to 1 city, compared to 7 years and 7 trips to different cities in eastern europe with nothing.
I have nothing to gain by telling any of the single guys what I have.
How many negative stories can you find online about Philippine women? And how many about eastern european women?? I rest my case.
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None of my messages were intended for men that are married to a eastern european woman, much less the women. They are not objective and will never admit it is not good to pursue them. I am speaking to the guys that are still looking. Keep that in mind if you read this far.
I am happily engaged after just 1 1/2 years and 3 trips, compared to 7 years and 7 trips to eastern europe. I have nothing to gain by telling any of the single guys what I have.
How many negative stories can you find online about Philippine women?? And how many about eastern european women? I rest my case.
I can assure you, that has nothing to do with the women from FSU and everything to do with you..
and finding a Pinay that wants to marry you? you cant freaking avoid them anywhere ..
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Hi Joe,
$30k is not spare change, well not for me, how come it ended up costing you so much for just seven trips? Did you actually pay agencies or did you use the free online and pay monthly subscription sites?
I do agree that FSW can have a level of difficulty to them and it can take some learning. I'm not there yet but have learnt a lot over my past 3 years involvement in the FSU dating game.
I also agree that FSW have particular personalities that are not always easy to get your head around. They can take some understanding and I'm not even sure I am there yet in terms of being able to fully understand them. I think there are certain cultural differences, some guys may be more in sync to deal with these than others to who it may be rather alien. I think UW and FSW in general view relationships differently to most westerners. I think FSW can be a but like a horse that refuses to be broken in. I too have had a woman who seemed to want certain things and I didn't get the impression the position she viewed me in was that great from my perspective.
When in Kiev last year I was at a massage parlour (not the seedy type but an actual massage) in the city centre, an upmarket place. There the masseurs were Filipinos as far as I could determine. They were very soft and attentative, ok I was a paying customer but I kind of think it is on their blood to be that way. They seemed pretty easy going and east to get along with.
So for me I'm on fence, Filipino girls seem easy going though Russian girls certainly tend to be interesting characters so probably more involving if that interests maybe too involving, lol.
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They have a wallet lightening industry in Kiev, Odessa and Nikolaev
For the record ---- the agency "industry" is not confined to just those cities -- virtually every city anyone can name is in on the 'game"
Even so -- there are girls that prima facie would appear to be involved in that game who may be interested in a lot more .It is a 2 way problem ie very unsuitable guys with ridiculous expectations . Add to that what I see as disrespect for the girls in that guys think that having paid up ( to agency) that they have "bought" the right to a girl .
That is a summary of why the first thing that need to be looked at when a post appears like this is the guy himself -- and every aspect of him .
None of that is to say dealing with agencies is a good idea -- but -- sometimes - a guy may find he has to for one reason or another.
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None of my messages were intended for men that are married to a eastern european woman, much less the women. They are not objective and will never admit it is not good to pursue them.
Yeah - you know how unhappy they ( our FSU partners ) make us ...we are deluding ourselves ... you da man.. :popcorn:
I am speaking to the guys that are still looking. Keep that in mind if you read this far.
I expect entertainment value is at the forefront of their minds -if they are still reading ... ..
I am happily engaged after just 1 1/2 years and 3 trips to 1 city, compared to 7 years and 7 trips to different cities in eastern europe with nothing.
I have nothing to gain by telling any of the single guys what I have.
..and what does your subjective opinion / experience suggest ?
How many negative stories can you find online about Philippine women? And how many about eastern european women?? I rest my case
So, is this about 'agencies' ( who uses THEM, these days?) - or your personal disappointment in E.Europe and 'success' in the Philippines?
Wishing you happiness for the future
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For the record ---- the agency "industry" is not confined to just those cities -- virtually every city anyone can name is in on the 'game"
Even so -- there are girls that prima facie would appear to be involved in that game who may be interested in a lot more .It is a 2 way problem ie very unsuitable guys with ridiculous expectations . Add to that what I see as disrespect for the girls in that guys think that having paid up ( to agency) that they have "bought" the right to a girl .
That is a summary of why the first thing that need to be looked at when a post appears like this is the guy himself -- and every aspect of him .
None of that is to say dealing with agencies is a good idea -- but -- sometimes - a guy may find he has to for one reason or another.
Sometimes I think a good proportion of the girls have unrealistic expectations too. Many think all western guys are fabulously rich and will be able to afford them the lifestyle they have in mind.
I think for many years there have been a tendency for misunderstanding between WM & FSW. Not just the odd cultural misunderstanding but in temperament of the two sides. Like said fir some the difference isn't that great depending on their personality. I think though we are only just now with help from guys likes of Krimster who is a native able to make much in roads into understanding this temperament issues. I think overly the years many WM/FSW relationships break down with both sides being left befuddled as to why it broke down but each blaming the other with a sense of ill feeling.
That's not taking anything away from the fact of course that insincere girls exist that badly take advantage of WM just as no doubt some WM have insincere intentions too.
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You're not talking about dogs. Temperaments are not determined by ethnicity. I've known very calm UW, very meek UW, very fiery UW, and sorts in between. To suggest that all women of a particular ethnic background have the same temperament is as stupid as saying they all have blue eyes.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
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:rolleyes: ya know I am just just not seeing it. I have communicated with probably 100 RW, and all have been very pleasant and polite. Granted they might be totally different in person, but I just can't see all of them being this way.
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I am happily engaged after just 1 1/2 years and 3 trips to 1 city, compared to 7 years and 7 trips to different cities in eastern europe with nothing.
Interesting.
I am happily engaged after 5 months and 1 trip, and it cost me maybe $3000, including the ring (bought a .25 carat in Lviv).
I am on my 3rd trip now, spending 2 months with my lady who is the most wonderful woman I have ever met (I know, honeymoon stage, but still...)
K1 visa was approved 2 weeks ago, now waiting for NVC case number and helping her with the embassy application prep.
So...maybe only 149,999,999 scammers...
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You're not talking about dogs. Temperaments are not determined by ethnicity. I've known very calm UW, very meek UW, very fiery UW, and sorts in between. To suggest that all women of a particular ethnic background have the same temperament is as stupid as saying they all have blue eyes.
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No not dogs, more like incredibly stubborn mules, lol :ROFL:
I know some are different by as a national characteristic more are head strong temperment than any other charteristic.
Take Welsh people for example for them I would say laid back. For Irish take the example of Mobers - argumentative to the last ;D
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Those are stereotypes. They don't apply to every Welsh or Irish person.
Having lived and experienced two countries, my conclusion is, one sees the same archetypes everywhere.
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:rolleyes: ya know I am just just not seeing it. I have communicated with probably 100 RW, and all have been very pleasant and polite. Granted they might be totally different in person, but I just can't see all of them being this way.
Nearly all are pleasant and polite, again a national characteristic of UW. Some though become difficult if you hit an area of disagreement. They can see the world their way and that's it doesn't matter what the guy says. How would you deal with that if you got it from your lady and didn't want to go down the path she wanted? Bit to outright reject it would create a ruckass with her and send the relationship south.
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Those are stereotypes. They don't apply to every Welsh or Irish person.
Having lived and experienced two countries, my conclusion is, one sees the same archetypes everywhere.
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Agreed.
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I'm a tall guy and needed more expensive seating on planes for one, and I didn't want to stay in dumps. Not much went to any agencies and I never subscribed to anything. It was mostly travel expenses and logging. All that was combined in gifts, eating out, scammers, and everything. Though scammers were not much because I'm not so gullible and avoided most of the ploys. After everything, it was probably more than that. I paid for maybe 2 letters to be sent. The serious girls will never use these anyway. Any letters you pay for, the girls are getting part of the money they generate, so that is a huge SCAM being perpetrated by even USA agencies!! I know because I found some of the girls on VK and they would never answer me, after sending me letters I would have had to pay to read. One of the girls I even knew from VK! But when she not answer on VK anymore after she tried to get me on the paid site, even though I could tell she read mine and had always answered before. She knew her scam cat was out of the bag. Someone should do a class action suit and sues these bastards![/size]
[/size]Yes. The cultures are vastly different! The Eastern European people seem very indifferent about Americans or don't like us. I found the guys to be much nicer than the women, but I wasn't looking for a guy :) The Philippines love Americans because we rescued them during the war. The girls are much nicer and easier going and will make much better wives. I can tell they were much more honest and loyal too. Still, look out for scammers, but use common sense and you will be okay.
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I do kind of think OP may have a point to some extent. As some have admitted here a dating scam industry is practically in every big city in Ukraine. I think for a newbie it's difficult to spot the bad ones and not talking about the obvious scammers but more girls with their own agenda, those out to make a few bob.
What I wonder is if OP has read up much here over the years or did he just keep making the same newbie mistakes, never learning nor looking for help here online or even You Tube?
I get the impression that the OP seems to have just been firing away hoping to get lucky without trying to find an intelligent away around it. I think there is a danger that doing it that way you stand the risk of just being passed around between an insincere crowd of women.
There is also the type of woman OP was going for. If they were all young hotties well most of them want presents for favours given I think it is probably how they are at that age and prettyness level.
I don't disagree that FSU dating for WM can be a hard task at times. Filipino women are probably on balance an easier task. I get the impression they just want a more comfortable lifestyle. FSW tend not to quite in the same economic boat as Filipino women though with the Ukrainian economy going south and the Russian threat maybe they may become more amieniable to any WM and disregard any other thoughts.
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I'm a tall guy and needed more expensive seating on planes for one, and I didn't want to stay in dumps. Not much went to any agencies and I never subscribed to anything. It was mostly travel expenses and logging. All that was combined in gifts, eating out, scammers, and everything. Though scammers were not much because I'm not so gullible and avoided most of the ploys. After everything, it was probably more than that. I paid for maybe 2 letters to be sent. The serious girls will never use these anyway. Any letters you pay for, the girls are getting part of the money they generate, so that is a huge SCAM being perpetrated by even USA agencies!! I know because I found some of the girls on VK and they would never answer me, after sending me letters I would have had to pay to read. One of the girls I even knew from VK! But when she not answer on VK anymore after she tried to get me on the paid site, even though I could tell she read mine and had always answered before. She knew her scam cat was out of the bag. Someone should do a class action suit and sues these bastards![/size]
[/size]Yes. The cultures are vastly different! The Eastern European people seem very indifferent about Americans or don't like us. I found the guys to be much nicer than the women, but I wasn't looking for a guy :) The Philippines love Americans because we rescued them during the war. The girls are much nicer and easier going and will make much better wives. I can tell they were much more honest and loyal too. Still, look out for scammers, but use common sense and you will be okay.
Joe, I think it may help clear this up if you tell us what sites did you use mainly?
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I didn't use any sites mainly. I started with AFA, but after one trip with them, I quickly abandoned them. There were 25 guys on my trip and at the end about 23 were pissed because they knew they'd been taken. I researched just about everyone out there at the time and used various things, too many to list here. Also talked to a lot of guys that have been there. Stay off the agency sites! You cannot get anything good that way. Don't pay to open single letters! Or for the so-called translations that anyone can do online for free. I have no good advice for FSU or Eastern Europe, except to stay away.
I'm glad my thread got so much activity, but I have business to run and I paid a lot to learn what I know. Do your own research and make your own choices. That is what I did and there is nothing like first hand experience. Just find a serious girl or 2 before you travel there. It will not be hard to do that in the PH, like it is in EE or FSU. If I had started there, I would have been married long ago. But the EE girls did make the PH girls much more attractive and me to really appreciate a sweet, kindhearted, affectionate, and serious girl. My biggest problem in the PH was deciding on which one. Many were phony, but many more were real than in EE. It was just nice to be a rock star for a change. :) Much better to be pursued than trying to catch one. :) The agencies try to make you feel that way, but it is all lies. In the Philippines it is real. Work your a$$ off in another country if you want, but I'd have a hard time trusting any of the EE FSU girls after getting to know so many and how they are. PH is no guarantee, but then where is there one?? I'm just saying your chances are much better.
I hope I helped at least one guy in all this. Sorry for any feelings I might have hurt, but many men agree with me. I guess the same could be said of those who don't. So do your own research and make your own choices. I was just trying to help squash some of the BS going around the net about all this and stop the damage to lonely men who just want to find a girl to love. They are being prayed upon by people who only care about making money off these poor guys and don't care how many they hurt to get it. None of them post any percentages of their success rate of guys who try their agency, because if they did, anyone with half a brain would run.
Best Wishes! And Merry Christmas Everyone!
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I didn't use any sites mainly. I started with AFA, but after one trip with them, I quickly abandoned them. There were 25 guys on my trip and at the end about 23 were pissed because they knew they'd been taken. I researched just about everyone out there at the time and used various things, too many to list here. Also talked to a lot of guys that have been there. Stay off the agency sites! You cannot get anything good that way. Don't pay to open single letters! Or for the so-called translations that anyone can do online for free. I have no good advice for FSU or Eastern Europe, except to stay away.
I'm glad my thread got so much activity, but I have business to run and I paid a lot to learn what I know. Do your own research and make your own choices. That is what I did and there is nothing like first hand experience. Just find a serious girl or 2 before you travel there. It will not be hard to do that in the PH, like it is in EE or FSU. If I had started there, I would have been married long ago. But the EE girls did make the PH girls much more attractive and me to really appreciate a sweet, kindhearted, affectionate, and serious girl. My biggest problem in the PH was deciding on which one. Many were phony, but many more were real than in EE. It was just nice to be a rock star for a change. :) Much better to be pursued than trying to catch one. :) The agencies try to make you feel that way, but it is all lies. In the Philippines it is real. Work your a$$ off in another country if you want, but I'd have a hard time trusting any of the EE FSU girls after getting to know so many and how they are. PH is no guarantee, but then where is there one?? I'm just saying your chances are much better.
I hope I helped at least one guy in all this. Sorry for any feelings I might have hurt, but many men agree with me. I guess the same could be said of those who don't. So do your own research and make your own choices. I was just trying to help squash some of the BS going around the net about all this and stop the damage to lonely men who just want to find a girl to love. They are being prayed upon by people who only care about making money off these poor guys and don't care how many they hurt to get it. None of them post any percentages of their success rate of guys who try their agency, because if they did, anyone with half a brain would run.
Best Wishes! And Merry Christmas Everyone!
Joe, that helps get a bit better idea. Well with AFA your talking about the tour. Many guys here wouldn't touch a AFA tour or probably any other dating tour with a barge pole. I have never been on one but am intrigued, I know on the documentary 'Love Me' they did a few years ago a couple of the guys found their other half trough them. Others say tours are full of insincere women, agency girls and get little joy out of them. The AFA website is PPL (Pay Per Letter) which is seen as a big no no to do and I would agree.
Most guys here use free online dating sites such as Fdating, Russian Personals or pay monthly subscription such as Elena's Models. Did you try any of them or just use the physical walk in off high street agencies?
Serious girls can be found on free online dating websites. Insincere ones also and of course most girls will have an agenda it's why their on an International Dating Site. That agenda may not be a problem I think of you can find a girl who is into you then her original agenda will become secondary if at all.
I think it will be useful to you to discuss the details of what you encountered here to put your mind at rest. Most of the long term members here have successfull relationships/marriage with FSW and 10 years or more experience down that route. Some may of course get a bit upset as any criticism can come as a criticism against their world. I think you'll find though that by being a bit more specific as you have done here you'll understand a lot better from them what was happening in your case.
I meanwhile don't knock that the Philopines worked for you and hey maybe it might even work for me in the end. I appreciate your input on that it is certainly a consideration many of us on this search should bear in mind.
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I'm a tall guy and needed more expensive seating on planes for one, and
I would have quite happily gone for a gal in the Philippines.
I was there when in US Navy as a young man and really liked the people.
However, only one in a thousand gals there would be 5 foot 6 inch or taller, so I decided not to go that route.
Since you say you are taller, I guess you are going to accept a Mutt and Jeff type of physical arrangement.
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I have checked out many of them, none of them are honest, and only care about making money. They are dealing the chance of beautiful girls that you have almost no chance getting. I took 7 trips there and never even got close to finding a serious pretty girl. Only the unattractive ones are serious and some of them even aren't. Thousands of guys say the same thing. Even if you are lucky enough to find a pretty girl that will marry you, the divorce rate there is 80% and they will probably not stay with you. The are raised to disrespect men. Lying is also a way of life over there. They have no trouble at all using men as doormats and have no remorse. They blame you for being stupid enough to believe them.
You've been looking for love in all the wrong places. You could've avoided visiting many of those girls saving time and money if you correctly identified their character during correspondence.
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Nearly all are pleasant and polite, again a national characteristic of UW. Some though become difficult if you hit an area of disagreement. They can see the world their way and that's it doesn't matter what the guy says. How would you deal with that if you got it from your lady and didn't want to go down the path she wanted? Bit to outright reject it would create a ruckass with her and send the relationship south.
Marriage to any women is about give and take, and being willing to work through differences.
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:rolleyes: ya know I am just just not seeing it. I have communicated with probably 100 RW,
and all have been very pleasant and polite. Granted they might be totally different in person,
but I just can't see all of them being this way.
Most people are polite when first meeting someone, it's human nature.
There are cRaZy FSUW, there are calm, cool and collected FSUW. I've met an amazingly beautiful
girl who was dumber than a bag of hammers. I met a girl who asked me if we got the moon at
night where I lived, because it would be so sad if we didn't.
There are Russian women who are as honest as the day is long and there are Russian women
who can't say 10 words without lying. There are Russian women who can sing like angels and
there are Russian women who make the neighbors dog cry when they sing.
They have every type and personality good, bad and indifferent.
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joenaiz,
When Shakespeare wrote “the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars / But in ourselves, that we are underlings.”. he should have included your name as well...
going the agency route is simply an exercise in bad judgment
an analogy would be hunting
instead of developing and utilizing your OWN hunting skills
you decided to depend on someone else, a “guide” as a "shortcut to success"
and the guide and those associated turned out to be a scam and a fraud (surprise!)
so you didn’t “bag” anything, no trophy wife for YOU!
as a consequence of YOUR FAILURE (own it, don’t blame it on someone else!)
you adopt the defeatist claim that hunting in Ukraine is “too hard”
for YOU maybe, but look at the guys who’ve posted photos of their UA wives on this board
myself included
so some of US know how to hunt in Ukraine
just not YOU!
hopefully others can learn from YOUR mistake
so thanks for posting about it
BTW, been to Philippines in 1980, was still in my teens
took the bus from Clark AFB to Manila!
Wow! amazing place!
I was dressed in "civvies"
was hit on" by countless B-girls, learned to ignore them
the whole trip I counted one really beautiful woman
the thought never occurred to me to want to marry one of them
I seriously doubt you'll post a pic of your intended bride here...
when I lived in Ukraine, I used to see at least a dozen unique women every day who looked like super models
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<snip>Best Wishes! And Merry Christmas Everyone!
Same to you!
joenaiz, as a Filipino and married to a Russian woman for over a decade, and one who is more than familiar with Filipinas, I am the anti-thesis to your sentiments. But I will not question or debate your feelings/experience as those are your own. How can anyone refute what 'proved to be right for you' - just as it is for me.
The only thing people need to be constantly reminded of is there's no absolution in generalities. Women are women anywhere.
As for agencies 'making money'. Isn't that why they're in the biz to begin with? I have never stumbled upon any businesses who established their base for the sheer purpose of niceties. Discretion and diligence lies upon the consumer.
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I think Joe means the 'agencies' went beyond the usual making money through operating in a straight up manner as most businesses do to outright scamming to part client from cash and not deliver anything close to the real deal they promised. We all know on here that is the size of most 'agencies' in Ukraine and elsewhere. Some have managed to meet their other half through an agency take Blighty for instance just as some have met through PPL websites. These though are in the minority and most guys come to grief going this route with severely diminished odds of it working. I think Blighty even says time over again it's not the route he would have gone/against all good advice.
I would be interested to hear how the AFA tour went down Joe. I know on the documentary 'Love Me' they situated it in night clubs and got loads of women in and it looked really raving like heaven for guys full of hot women where a guy could get lucky (or perhaps unlucky also) with many hot women to delight the few guys there. I'm guessing now that they pulled out all the stops for that and the reality for most tours is a lot less full on.
Stuff I have seen online make me think it more commonly takes place in reception rooms with a few tables of women sat down and a buffet type of set up. So far more sedate and I'm guessing controlled by the AFA agency. Now let me guess also that a lot of those women are more like agency girls/employees even and prettish girls just invited along for a free meal. So I'm guessing that those girls aren't really interested in a foreign guy but are just there to look pretty, smile and have polite friendly conversation with the guy. To which end it will end up an 'I've met some nice girls tonight, had pleasant conversation with many a nice girl, and who knows maybe we will meet up in future or though I haven't quite met anyone to be in a relationship with'. Tour over, Am I right?
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I'm a tall guy and needed more expensive seating on planes for one
The average height of a woman in the Philippines is 151.8 cm (4' 11.8")
Which means that half are shorter than that.
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The average height of a woman in the Philippines is 151.8 cm (4' 11.8")
Which means that half are shorter than that.
No, Beel - it doesn't
My God, but you had some terrible teachers ...
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“the average height of a woman in the Philippines is 151.8 cm (4' 11.8")
Which means that half are shorter than that. “
that’s still pretty tall!
I saw a woman from the Philippines who was about three feet tall!
she lost both her legs in an accident and became a paraplegic
her name was “Consuelo”
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I didn't use any sites mainly. I started with AFA, but after one trip with them, I quickly abandoned them. There were 25 guys on my trip and at the end about 23 were pissed because they knew they'd been taken. I researched just about everyone out there at the time and used various things, too many to list here. Also talked to a lot of guys that have been there. Stay off the agency sites! You cannot get anything good that way. Don't pay to open single letters! Or for the so-called translations that anyone can do online for free. I have no good advice for FSU or Eastern Europe, except to stay away.
I'm glad my thread got so much activity, but I have business to run and I paid a lot to learn what I know. Do your own research and make your own choices. That is what I did and there is nothing like first hand experience. Just find a serious girl or 2 before you travel there. It will not be hard to do that in the PH, like it is in EE or FSU. If I had started there, I would have been married long ago. But the EE girls did make the PH girls much more attractive and me to really appreciate a sweet, kindhearted, affectionate, and serious girl. My biggest problem in the PH was deciding on which one. Many were phony, but many more were real than in EE. It was just nice to be a rock star for a change. :) Much better to be pursued than trying to catch one. :) The agencies try to make you feel that way, but it is all lies. In the Philippines it is real. Work your a$$ off in another country if you want, but I'd have a hard time trusting any of the EE FSU girls after getting to know so many and how they are. PH is no guarantee, but then where is there one?? I'm just saying your chances are much better.
I hope I helped at least one guy in all this. Sorry for any feelings I might have hurt, but many men agree with me. I guess the same could be said of those who don't. So do your own research and make your own choices. I was just trying to help squash some of the BS going around the net about all this and stop the damage to lonely men who just want to find a girl to love. They are being prayed upon by people who only care about making money off these poor guys and don't care how many they hurt to get it. None of them post any percentages of their success rate of guys who try their agency, because if they did, anyone with half a brain would run.
Best Wishes! And Merry Christmas Everyone!
25 years ago, there were some good agencies. The one I went with charged the women for classes about the West, so only the most serious joined. I don't know much about AFA, but by their website it seems like a male bonding party tour where every so often somebody does meet a serious and nice lady
PH women are sweet kind and affectionate, but they are not nearly as cultured, educated or attractive as FSU women. If I wanted a nice sweet lady for my golden years, PH is a good choice. But if I wanted to raise a family, FSU all the way
Krimster, I think I know Consuelo, she was in the same accident with her sister Eileen and a cousin that lives in Hong Kong named Irene
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"Krimster, I think I know Consuelo, she was in the same accident with her sister Eileen "
no, that Eileen is NOT her sister, Eileen's last name is "Dover", clearly not from the same family!
"PH women are sweet kind and affectionate, but they are not nearly as cultured, educated or attractive as FSU women. If I wanted a nice sweet lady for my golden years, PH is a good choice. But if I wanted to raise a family, FSU all the way"
I would second that! a pretty good summation for all of 2 sentences!
Haiku for You!
a man must choose now
a far away place to seek
some girl to take home
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Most only know one culture, theirs, and they think they are the greatest. They are too cold. They will not make good wives or mothers. Many did not even want to leave their country, though they started out telling me they did. Then later tried to convince me, or ordered me, to move there if I wanted to continue with them.
Their schools are no further ahead than the Philippines and I was not impressed with any of their knowledge. Both are pretty far behind american schools. Stubborn and arrogant on every subject with no modesty. They are not easy going or open minded. They were mainly interested in what they could get for themselves and felt the man should provide everything. Every girl I got to know was a liar too. It is a way of life to lie there.
It is harder to find a very pretty one in the Philippines, but I manage to find a girl just as pretty and hot as the FSU girls. What good are looks anyway if the girl never wants to make love to you and doesn't care about pleasing you, no matter how good you are to her?? If you want to marry a selfish drill sergeant, good luck.
Look at "Jorge and Anfisa" on Youtube and see how she treats him. Then you will get a good idea of how the majority of the girls over there behave. I must have seen at least 30 girls like this, some that were already in the USA, and it is the norm there. Look for the one in a hundred if you want, but it will take a long time a lot of money. Keep in mind the culture they were raised in to disrespect men like that. There is a good chance they will be shining you on until they get what they want, and believe me, they will have no problem leaving you in a cold blooded way. You need to be able to trust the woman you marry. How can you trust someone that comes from a culture of liars? Just look at the BS Putin spits out all the time.
Someone with a similar personality to theirs or a wimp like that Jorge guy was, might do okay, but the average good american man will be wasting his time and money. If you have money and time to burn... go for it.
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“They will not make good wives or mothers. “
WRONG!
I’m married 19 yr to a woman from Sevastopol, we have two teenage daughters
I would change nothing about my wife
best life partner anyone could ever hope for...
honest and truthful, smart, sexy, caring, domestic goddess, sense of humor, sense of adventure, sexy (oh I said that already) and beautiful
takes awesome care of the whole family
literally, the most exceptional woman I EVER met in my life
I have no idea what a woman like that sees in ME....
“They are not easy going or open minded. “
yeah... that part’s true!
but you learn early on what it takes to “turn that around”
in other words, FSU women require a lot more “persuasion” than a woman from the Philippines,
for example, if I vacuum the living room floor after a big party, 100% I’ll be “getting something” for it later that evening, if you know what I mean
sounds, like you expect that kind of treatment for “whatever”
no way, Ukrainian women will make you earn that...
worth it though....
first time I went to the banya with my then girl friend of all of three days (now wife!)
I was so freakin EMBARESSED, I had no idea until the very last second that we were supposed to be NAKED!
then we remove our clothing simultaneously, and suddenly I see
a 6'1“ flawless, perfectly toned athletic female body, with perfect DD breasts, OMG!!!!!
this lead to an involuntary “physical reaction” on my part
which made me blush deeply
which made my girl friend giggle, which made me blush even more
I doubt that’d happen in the Philippines
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They will not make good wives or mothers.
Hmm, you DO realise where you're writing this bollox, generalised 'opinion' of yours ? .. :barf:
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Look at "Jorge and Anfisa" on Youtube and see how she treats him.
That story was from a television show. Don't get your education from television. It'll rot the brain.
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Most only know one culture, theirs, and they think they are the greatest. They are too cold. They will not make good wives or mothers. Many did not even want to leave their country, though they started out telling me they did. Then later tried to convince me, or ordered me, to move there if I wanted to continue with them.
Their schools are no further ahead than the Philippines and I was not impressed with any of their knowledge. Both are pretty far behind american schools. Stubborn and arrogant on every subject with no modesty. They are not easy going or open minded. They were mainly interested in what they could get for themselves and felt the man should provide everything. Every girl I got to know was a liar too. It is a way of life to lie there.
It is harder to find a very pretty one in the Philippines, but I manage to find a girl just as pretty and hot as the FSU girls. What good are looks anyway if the girl never wants to make love to you and doesn't care about pleasing you, no matter how good you are to her?? If you want to marry a selfish drill sergeant, good luck.
Look at "Jorge and Anfisa" on Youtube and see how she treats him. Then you will get a good idea of how the majority of the girls over there behave. I must have seen at least 30 girls like this, some that were already in the USA, and it is the norm there. Look for the one in a hundred if you want, but it will take a long time a lot of money. Keep in mind the culture they were raised in to disrespect men like that. There is a good chance they will be shining you on until they get what they want, and believe me, they will have no problem leaving you in a cold blooded way. You need to be able to trust the woman you marry. How can you trust someone that comes from a culture of liars? Just look at the BS Putin spits out all the time.
Someone with a similar personality to theirs or a wimp like that Jorge guy was, might do okay, but the average good american man will be wasting his time and money. If you have money and time to burn... go for it.
On the face of it this can be true of many UW I think, perhaps FSW in general. The girl I was with last year seemed to be that way so I know where you are coming from. She seemed to think she was honest, in her mind at least but she was manipulative, so she was just manipulative but honest while being manipulative, lol. I think if I went in now and met another girl like that I would like to think I would fair better knowing what I have learnt since about UW/FSW on here from the likes of Krimster, etc. Krimster is a native who speaks the language and was a bable to work out the culture quicker. A western guy like me was left all at sea for the first few girl I met and came on here to try and comprehend what was going on with forum members. Now a lot of that fog has lifted with their help and a fair few my assumptions/ thoughts on what was going down I have since found to be a little off the mark.
If I was starting this journey starting off now reading this thread I might well consider Filopino women. It sounds like they are more straight forward and easier game for the beginner. However, FSW kind of have me hooked still at this point, there is a level of intrigue about then that means its not a simple walk in the park. That level of intrigue can keep a relationship more fun and interesting than a straight and simple Filopino, a kind of yes girl perhaps. That said I have previously found UW personality challenging but then I did not really know the game much at all out there. If I still suffer problems trying to grapple with their personality I may try a Filopino girl since I do not want too hard a task. But we'll see how it goes this year, I am quite confident at the moment.
Joe, the one thing that stands out from your post was your use of agencies. If we are talking agencies in the traditional literal sense then you probably would have had the worst type of girl turn up to them. Many will not respect WM since it is why they are willing to go to agencies, to dupe WM for money so that is disrespect from the outset. Occassionally a WM will get lucky (if you see it as that) and one of these agency girls will fall for the guy they were intending to dupe or realise that it could serve her to hook up with this guy for a green card or because he is fabulously wealthy. That probaly happens on the Tours also, they know a lot of rich guys will go on them or you get the odd girl who just turned up for some free grub/few ghrina/on the agency payroll to make up the numbers actually find a guy she likes or where it suits her interests.
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krimster is not a native. He is an American who lived in Ukraine and started a business there.
This post was composed without the aid of google.
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first time I went to the banya with my then girl friend of all of three days (now wife!)
I was so freakin EMBARESSED, I had no idea until the very last second that we were supposed to be NAKED!
then we remove our clothing simultaneously, and suddenly I see
a 6'1“ flawless, perfectly toned athletic female body, with perfect DD breasts, OMG!!!!!
this lead to an involuntary “physical reaction” on my part
which made me blush deeply
which made my girl friend giggle, which made me blush even more
I doubt that’d happen in the Philippines
Hopefully that happens in Belarus also? :D
It's wonderful to hear your Banja experience Krimster. It's certainly a feast you don't get in the west or with western women. I can imagine the excitement and sheer joy you must have felt when she disrobed and those double D's came out :P
It's why long term I would consider living in either Belarus or Ukraine (in better times perhaps). There is a certain keeping it real in FSU society that we have lost in western society I think. Part of me would love to move there now if I could. Increasingly I am finding the Feminist BS we have here in the west just too much to bear. All the whining about how liberated western women don't get enough of a good deal and worse still the straight jacket in which Feminists and the LGBT crowd tell us straight guys how we should live our lives. I don't want to live my life like that seeing how well us straight guys can live in the FSU. All I need is to get independent income established in order to do it and I can live in paradise :)
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Reading the TS complaints and summing up, I can tell that Russian women can better smell an idiot at a distance than Philippines :P
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first time I went to the banya with my then girl friend of all of three days (now wife!)
I was so freakin EMBARESSED, I had no idea until the very last second that we were supposed to be NAKED!
I was a 17 year old naive boy in Japan for my first such experience.
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Don't get your education from television. It'll rot the brain.
Dare I ask were you learn - that I might avoid contact with said medium ? ;)
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If I still suffer problems trying to grapple with their personality I may try a Filopino girl since I do not want too hard a task. But we'll see how it goes this year, I am quite confident at the moment.
Trench, I thought of you when I was in the Philippines a few weeks back. Remember when you said you would sit at McDonalds to see if you could meet girls? Then you were flamed here?(and rightfully so) BUT I think that tactic could work in the Philippines. All the College girls like to go to Jollibees after class, meals are only like a dollar or two. Its like a McDonalds but with rice
Too bad I was already with a lady, as a BEAUTY, a 10, about 5.8" tall with a hard to find nice figure in the next line was looking at me. The girl I was with was about a 7, but the 10 knew she was no competition. Granted I am getting looks everywhere I go, it is just that most Pinays are not that great looking compared to the FSU. 8s, 9s and 10s are an endangered species in the Philippines. Anyways, I am positive I could have offered to buy her meal and would have had many dates with her afterwards
btw- People might ask why I went there for a 7. First she is sweet and devoted and her photos made her look like a 9. I knew she was motivated, because she found me on Facebook. Either that or one of my friends gave her my profile, and that friend doesn't want to admit it. Lastly, she had a month off between work contracts and she asked if she could show me around the country, and it was a lot of fun. But I wont return, she is 25 years younger than I and wants at least 4 kids. Sure, she says she doesn't have to have them, but I can read between the lines
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Too bad I was already with a lady, as a BEAUTY, a 10, about 5.8" tall with a hard to find nice figure in the next line was looking at me.
One in a thousand or maybe 10,000.
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"I was with a 17 year old native boy in Japan for my first such experience."
that's kinda like an archeologist studying "Homo Erectus", isn't it?
ok, let me just give you one bit of advice, ok?
if you ever accidentally walk into a crowded gay bar...
NEVER, under any circumstance, say "pardon me, can I push your stool in", if you need to push an empty chair out of your path!
never....
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Reminds me of myself and friends being set up on a stag night and having to wait at a gay bar until the rest of the stag party arrived
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Krim,
ML said "I was a 17 y.o. native boy........." Not "with a 17 y.o. native boy.................
Maybe we should call you "Gilda".......................................................................... ....never mind............... :wallbash:
Cant B
P.S. .........."or"..........Rosanna Rosannadana
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Krim,
ML said "I was a 17 y.o. native boy........." Not "with a 17 y.o. native boy.................
Maybe we should call you "Gilda".......................................................................... ....never mind............... :wallbash:
Cant B
P.S. .........."or"..........Rosanna Rosannadana
Thanks Capt B.
But actually my word was 'naive.'
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The Filipina wife of an American friend of mine is trying to set me up with her first cousin.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7916/46360520144_e9f34fee12.jpg)
I told her if we were ever together she would have to wear a grey wig, hunch over and use a cane. She said to me, "I don't understand." I told her she looks about 15 years old instead of 22 and that the 44 year age difference might be a problem. I haven't heard from her since Sunday.
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The Filipina wife of an American friend of mine is trying to set me up with her first cousin.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7916/46360520144_e9f34fee12.jpg)
I told her if we were ever together she would have to wear a grey wig, hunch over and use a cane. She said to me, "I don't understand." I told her she looks about 15 years old instead of 22 and that the 44 year age difference might be a problem. I haven't heard from her since Sunday.
And I suspect from a physical standpoint . . . you would make 4 or 5 of her !! :-))
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And I suspect from a physical standpoint . . . you would make 4 or 5 of her !! :-))
I don't know what that means. On a scale of 1 to 10? I hate rating women.
I need a woman like my mother who was with my father until he took his last breath (I stood by her side) and then some twenty years later, still missing him.,,
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ML,
I just wiped that speck off my glasses......yup.......it does say "naive".......whoops :-)
Capt B
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This thread has had some wonderful misunderstandings
Maxx
I believe ML was comparing mass...not looks
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This thread has had some wonderful misunderstandings
Maxx
I believe ML was comparing mass...not looks
Quite right Moby; thanks for clarification.