To the Russian Ladies on the board,
What is the "right" answer to the aforementioned question?
I guess the women who ask this question expect the true answer, not a "right" one.
I guess the women who ask this question expect the true answer, not a "right" one.
Say the name "Donna Simpson".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2011437/Worlds-fattest-mother-Donna-Simpsons-daughter-4-feeder.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2011437/Worlds-fattest-mother-Donna-Simpsons-daughter-4-feeder.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/26/feeling-stuffed-this-is-what-46-st-fattest-woman-in-the-world-ate-for-christmas-115875-22808062/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/26/feeling-stuffed-this-is-what-46-st-fattest-woman-in-the-world-ate-for-christmas-115875-22808062/)
(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2010/3/6/image-1-for-sunday-paper-26-12-2010-gallery-257361260.jpg)
Ok, she weighs 600lb spends $750 a week to buy food.
Whom is she looking for?
"He must be handsome, slim, and at least 10 years younger than me."
"A couple guys at work married Russian women, and they seem happy with their choice."
To the Russian Ladies on the board, - "Why don't you just date an American woman?"
Vincenzo, this explanation looks plausible to me, but as a RW in Russia I would have a hard time believing it. A woman who is unattractive but who at the same time has this requirements for a man sounds rather unrealistic to me. Such woman must be a complete 'dura', out of her mind, which are relatively rare. In your answer however, you would want to rely on some significant number of then in the US. Again, hard time believing this.You may not believe it, but she's already been married twice. Even she can easily find a decent guy.
If an American girl is decent, she always has a boyfriend.
Vincenzo, have you had serious relationships in the US? Have you dated much there?
Have you dated women similar to that monstrosity you posted above? Have you even considered it?
I dated plenty in the US. Never did I even consider dating an unnattractive girl, let alone some morbidly obese woman. I agree that dating is easier in Russia, for several reasons, but the 'all the good ones are taken' excuse is lame. It's not that bad in the US. At some point all the 'taken' girls were single, right? And if 'all the decent girls are taken', they're taken by some other dude. So why not you?
I dated plenty in the US. Never did I even consider dating an unnattractive girl, let alone some morbidly obese woman. I agree that dating is easier in Russia, for several reasons, but the 'all the good ones are taken' excuse is lame. It's not that bad in the US. At some point all the 'taken' girls were single, right? And if 'all the decent girls are taken', they're taken by some other dude. So why not you?
I've dated.
Vincenzo, have you had serious relationships in the US? Have you dated much there?
Have you dated women similar to that monstrosity you posted above? Have you even considered it?
I dated plenty in the US. Never did I even consider dating an unnattractive girl, let alone some morbidly obese woman. I agree that dating is easier in Russia, for several reasons, but the 'all the good ones are taken' excuse is lame. It's not that bad in the US. At some point all the 'taken' girls were single, right? And if 'all the decent girls are taken', they're taken by some other dude. So why not you?
When an American woman wants to "date" you, it often means that she already has a boyfriend who is really a sex friend. Gross!
Maybe, something is wrong with me. In Russia, many girls make an eye contact with me, never in the USA except muchachas.
Nat, If I answered truthfully, I would say, "A couple guys at work married Russian women, and they seem happy with their choice."
Come on...
Does anyone here think that Weekly World News freakshow is in any way representative of what's normal and available in the US?
It seems to me that it has very different meanings in the US and Russia.
Possum, don't worry! They just opened a Carl's Jr. in Novosibirsk! Soon enough you won't have to look to the US for those tasty fat rolls. :P
Good.. I like to be able to grab my women, ya know what I'm sayin'? The bigger they are the more to love..
Nothing like swimming in the fat, huh? ;)
Nothing like disappearing in them fat rolls.. :)
Nothing like disappearing in them fat rolls.. :)
Is this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.
Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?
Good.. I like to be able to grab my women, ya know what I'm sayin'? The bigger they are the more to love..
It seems to me that it has very different meanings in the US and Russia.
If a Russian girl dates me, it means something. She likes me and tries to evaluate me as a potential life partner. She doesn't have a pool of suitors behind the door, I'm the only one. I have to behave similarly.
When an American woman wants to "date" you, it often means that she already has a boyfriend who is really a sex friend.
I can't tell if you are being facetious or really mean that.
A quick story: Several years ago friend of mine had a band and were playing in a distant town. He asked me to ride along and I accepted. I didn't have any idea about the place we were going and didn't really care. But, when we got there and they piled in I was really surprised. Let me preface with, this is Arkansas and there are many "corn-fed" women. The place was small and roughly 25 women were there with about that many men. Of the 25 women at least 15 of them weighted 250+ and some would had dressed out 100 pounds heavier than that. Most all of them had boyfriends or husbands with them and most all of the husbands seemed to be extremely jealous. Catering to their every whim and hanging on for deal life. If it wasn't so funny it would be sad. The one commonality between those husbands, it seemed the were almost all small stature and slim and appeared younger.
I had never seen anything such as that before. The more attractive ladies were all without dates and available. This struck me as very odd. At least for the places I had been. Very strange.
I had never seen so many obese women in one club and almost all with a man while the slender attractive ones didn't
Possum, be careful. Many AM have become entrapped in an air lock during foreplay with obese women. :) The woman becomes excited by the struggling motion of the man and she clamps her thighs even tighter, eventually suffocating the man.
Yum!
On a serious note, I bet if men refused to go near these shapeless blobs of fat, obesity would be overcome in five years, tops..
Not that simple. Plus, there are men who prefer large women.
Hmm, I'm not so sure of that. Women do in fact, lose weight to attract men. When I look around, most overweight women are middle aged, there aren't really too many large young women.
On a serious note, I bet if men refused to go near these shapeless blobs of fat, obesity would be overcome in five years, tops..
"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all
sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election."
Some are overweight, sure (and they tend to be married with children), but nothing like you'll see in Canada or the US. :o
Go hang around a Canadian university campus or other locale that attracts young women in their early twenties from the middle class. You'll see that the young women there in their early twenties are quite slim. Women who are obese are actually quite rare in this age group and class.
I know a couple in Kansas just like you described.. The husband is tall and very slim, doesn't have any obvious defects and looks like a regular guy.. but the wife is at least a foot shorter than him, has a muffin top and on top of that another roll, and another one on top of that one.. You couldn't tell where her legs end and her shoulders begin. They are roughly the same age, but she looks at least 7 years older than him, although I suspect it's the other way around. She puts it down to 'baby fat', but her kids are in school now :rolleyes:
Yup.. nothing like propping the 'tummy' to get to the sweet parts.. :tmi: :rolleyes:
I have seen this a lot. Such a woman was quite possibly one of the most popular girls in high school. Why? She was short but had large breasts.
Go hang around a Canadian university campus or other locale that attracts young women in their early twenties from the middle class. You'll see that the young women there in their early twenties are quite slim. Women who are obese are actually quite rare in this age group and class.
What masks things for most men looking in the FSU is that we are usually looking for much younger women as I bet most men in their 50's and 60's are looking for someone in their 30's or younger.
I don't specifically target women with big breasts because I realize that later in life they have an increased chance gaining weight ...
Also, try this one for an exercise, get on a dating site like match.com and do a search on women over 40 who speak Russian and you will be surprised at what you find, the average lady (typically a transplant from the FSU) is NOT better looking and often heavier than her American born counterpart.
According to a survey, the mode age difference in international marriages was 8 years. Dan will correct me if I am wrong. Therefore, I do not think most men are looking for someone 30 years their junior.
I bet most men in their 50's and 60's are looking for someone in their 30's or younger.
I followed your suggestion and searched for the ladies speaking Russian, all over America, in the age range from 40 to 60. The result was 23 women, most of which seem slender and are hardly bigger than size 6.
Match.com is hardly good to judge representation.
During a 3 week visit to the US we met at least one slim, good looking FSUW per week that was 'available' and we were not even looking.
Gotta be nuts to get on a plane. I personally would favor a woman that has already immigrated and knows the 'lay of the land'.
...What masks things for most men looking in the FSU is that we are usually looking for much younger women as I bet most men in their 50's and 60's are looking for someone in their 30's or younger....
According to a survey, the mode age difference in international marriages was 8 years. Dan will correct me if I am wrong. Therefore, I do not think most men are looking for someone 30 years their junior.
Let me guess, they were either in New York or Miami or Los Angeles. I wager they would be no likely to move than any other woman in such cities :-X
I myself am 32 y.o and have D size . If the theory of large breasts were true, I should be fat by now. Yet even after living in America for 4 years, very comfortable life without much stress or rushing around, very few people would characterize me as fat, I think.
here is a last week photo.
The assertion that large breasted women tend to become huge with age does not verify against my observations. During the course of my life I have met too many large breasted RW those size does not exceeded # 6 even after they had their children.
I understand why some would conclude that large breasted women tend to become huge they see obese women having large breasts and think there is a causation link between size of breast and obesity. In fact, there is only correlation and breasts enlarge as women get fat. Had these obese women lost their weight , the size of their breast would significantly decrease, and they would become small breasted, thin women with a lot of unnecessary skin though.
I myself am 32 y.o and have D size . If the theory of large breasts were true, I should be fat by now.
TG is one lucky guy! :clapping:
If my lady becomes overweight, I won't get turned on even if I love her. Let's be real, love alone isn't enough to get horny. Our intimate life will suffer. Not fair to me and not fair to her .....
Thanks Muzh, I agree totally and feel that way every minute of every day.
No, North Carolina - all the vacation areas are full of FSUW.
Billy, Billy, Billy. Very shallow, very shallow indeed. If this is the case I assert then that you would not be in love. I was attracted to my ex-wife (AW) of 25 years until we got into the divorce. Sex was a joy, yet not with other women her age.
Is this the primary reason that you selected such a young fiancee?
Some RWD members will have comments for you.
Considering your age of 32 I doubt that your observations have followed buxom teenagers into their mid-30s and 40s.
I try to play it safe and choose a woman that pays attention to her body, has an appropriate diet for her metabolism, and isn't in a family that has overweight issues.
Some RWD members will have comments for you.
Women, therefore, who:
1. Live in vacation areas and would not want to move;
2. Live in big cities and would not want to move;
3. Want the date men who are not marrying them....
The existence of single women elsewhere in your country gives you little if they do not want to move and you can't go live in a vacation area >:D
OTOH I cam imagine any foreign woman getting stuck in the boonies based on a lark or short relationship may give that up rather quickly. Heck.. I wouldn't even make it.
But before sex, one must be turned on. As I said earlier, love alone doesn't turn me on. I don't think I'm shallow. A physical relationship is as important as an emotional relationship for many people. I understand what I need and unlike some people, I'm not going to ignore my feelings or feel sorry for a woman I'm not attracted to and marry her.
If a woman has good character, good personality, and I can have a good emotional connection with her, I can be her friend. That's it. She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up. Men should be honest with themselves. If a woman is a good friend and good lover, then she's a keeper.
I thought I made myself clear in my other thread when I was dating women. My happiness in sex is when I see my partner happy. It's not just about me. If a guy is bad or selfish in sex, he's not going to get many repeat performances with the same woman.
Billy,
Statements like this project you as the epitome of shallow. Answer me honestly here, is sex just a completely physical act for you?
Billy,
Statements like this project you as the epitome of shallow. Answer me honestly here, is sex just a completely physical act for you?
I thought I made myself clear in my other thread when I was dating women. My happiness in sex is when I see my partner happy. It's not just about me. If a guy is bad or selfish in sex, he's not going to get many repeat performances with the same woman.
I see you highlighted some parts of my words you quoted. Would you go down on anything no matter how ugly it was? Does anything repulsive turn you off or you're always turned on? I don't go down on fat women and I don't go down on prostitutes. They turn me off. I believe they turn most men off yet you are disturbed by what I wrote.
I understand some guys will go down on any woman who lays on her back. Maybe you should direct your question to those guys if sex is just a physical act for them. You know, it's okay to have standards. Having standards isn't being shallow. Having no standards is being shallow.
She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up
While the thread has gone completely off the rails, and is interestingly enough being responded to by a bunch of dudes (in an area of the Forum described as "Questions to Russian LADIES"), I think this charge of shallowness is a bit harsh.
If sex is not a completely physical act, then what is it?
Is there something beyond the physical? Let's leave that up to a Padre. Ok, let's say love is involved. What is love, if nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain, which helps genes get passed on through some good old-fashioned baby makin' (queue some Barry White)? I don't care how great someone's personality is, humans choose the best possible mate, taking into consideration physical and mental attributes, to pass on their genes--or just have some fun. That's beyond ethical evaluations, such as being shallow; it's unchanging human nature. Of course, there are unevenly yoked couples out there, but I would argue that coercion, desperation, money, power, or some other factor tipped the scales almost every time. If the decision to choose a mate was purely based upon mental and physical attributes, a person in the position to choose the best possible mate will do so every time. Personality is just a small piece of the puzzle. The pig from Green Acres was a "charming m-effer," as Samuel Jacskon said, but it's still a pig. ;D
She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up.Faux Pas, remember you highlighting the above quote earlier as it seems to bother you? Since we are on the subject of fat chicks, at what point do they become less appealing to you to the point you can't get intimate with them? Remember the photos of fat chicks posted earlier that some people were going to lose their lunch over? Could you get intimate with those gals? How about tell everyone here your tastes and why it's a good thing instead of telling me I'm shallow? It's in better taste to explain yourself instead of putting others down to make yourself look noble and good.
Billy,
I don't think that FP is saying you are shallow because you want to be be with someone you are physically attracted to. We all want that. But, with most normal people, when we really fall in love with someone, this initial lust, the purely physical attraction that exists at the start of a relationship, transforms into something more emotional that transcends physicality.
Is all this going to turn into yet another BillyB harangue?
Which is it?
Not so long ago I recall reading about the biggest reason to go to the FSU looking for a wife was for the "eye candy". Younger more beautiful women, even there has been a thread idolizing Hue Heffner.
Now I read that looks are not important in the long run.
Or is it just for the convenience of argument?
Which is it?
Not so long ago I recall reading about the biggest reason to go to the FSU looking for a wife was for the "eye candy". Younger more beautiful women, even there has been a thread idolizing Hue Heffner.
Now I read that looks are not important in the long run.
Or is it just for the convenience of argument?
Did you not read what I said earlier that started an emotional response from the men here? I said "If my lady becomes overweight, I won't get turned on even if I love her. Let's be real, love alone isn't enough to get horny. Our intimate life will suffer. Not fair to me and not fair to her ....."
If my lady gains weight over the course of our relationship, I will have a talk with her about the ramifications. I will even have a talk with her about my dislikes before anything becomes an issue. All men and women should communicate more often in a relationship.
Yes, I read it Billy as I've read other posts by you and that is why I've formed and opinion that you are an insecure and emotionally damaged man with the maturity of a spoiled adolescent.
The truth shall set you free. It's important that people understand you and a few others are arguing with the poster(me) and not what has been posted. I can say 2 2=4 yet some of you will find a way to prove me wrong since you hold a past grudge. But if you really believe love and emotional bonding will protect you, go out and prove it. Gain 200lbs. Love may blind your wife but there is a limit in lbs/kgs. It's hard to be blind when the refrigerator is empty and there is a 400 lb pig in the room. Your wife will probably divorce you not just because weight you gained but because you're sick in the head for letting yourself get that way.
Ladies and gentlemen, beware. If you neglect your bodies, you are neglecting and disrespecting your partner. Neglect can break bonds and you can't love someone you don't respect.
Oh, it's my fault? Some guys seem to have a habit of following me or others looking for an opportunity to throw out an insult. I don't have that bad habit but it's somewhat flattering that I have a following here. I thought women were emotional creatures but they are proving to be tougher than men... at least of the Western variety. The worst thing is that some of you don't even realize you have a problem maintaining your composure compared to the RW here after I make a post. You read what I write, complain it's too long, defensive, wrong and it's my fault after someone insults me that things go to pot. So instead of making a fancy poem on my behalf to piss me off, don't you think it's more productive to tell us what your limit is BC? 300, 400, 500 lbs or do you agree with others that emotional bonding and love is an excuse or reason to ignore any potential problems physically or mentally developing in a relationship?
Well, not to be repetitive, but I never went looking in the FSU in the first place. ;)
If anyone is so shallow that a person's physical look is the primary reason they marry and stay married, then they deserve what they get in the long run as most people will change. Ageing is inevitable.
But it's understandable that looks are a large component of initial attraction for most people. Personally, purely physical form seems to be less important and "sexiness" more so. It's not easy to define what "sexiness" means to me; I guess it has a lot to do with body language and personality.
Attraction is not a cognitive process and it's difficult if not impossible to control but the emotional bond between most loving couples tends to transcend the physical in the long run. "Love is blind" can be quite literal.
A bit defensive are we? :o You made the statement Billy, is this a crawfish? Where did I mention anything about being repulsed? Was making love to a women who was repulsive anywhere in the flow of the topic? Repulsive women and prostitutes? Is this a Freudian slip on your part?
If your happiness in sex is making "your partner happy" why the difficulty in "getting it up" if she doesn't appeal to your eye? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth there stud. :D Should your pending marriage last 10-15 years what will happen when your brides tits sag, she puts on 40 pounds and no longer appeals to your eye? Do you stop having sex with her?
Those are your words Billy not mine. Your words do not repulse or disturb me if that was what you were trying to do. You just don't impress me much, in any regard
Which is it?
Not so long ago I recall reading about the biggest reason to go to the FSU looking for a wife was for the "eye candy". Younger more beautiful women, even there has been a thread idolizing Hue Heffner.
Now I read that looks are not important in the long run.
Or is it just for the convenience of argument?
I think we all know what that answer is Glydden >:D Invariably men go overseas (or marry women who find them from overseas), because they can get younger and/or more attractive women than they could date at home. However, it would be ill-advised to marry a woman solely for her looks without compatibility, in the same way that it would be foolhardy IMHO to marry a woman where there was not physical attraction.
Invariably, people will make generalisations about why men marry FSUW. Strangely, some men just find a woman they can't live without and they just happen to be Russian and just happen to be younger than them. Perhaps that is more common over here though so I can't blame you for extrapolating from personal experience. >:D
Ade, who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself? It reeks of self-delusion. I believe it is a safe bet to say that if a woman who happened to be your age or older and just happened to be much heavier than average wrote you on Match.com or whatever site that you were using that you never have happened to rush off to Arkhangelsk.... As much as you try to spin it, you are no different than any of the men who seek or who marry women from Russia.
Think what you like, I'm certainly not going to spend any time convincing you otherwise.
Sure, stick to someone you can convince: yourself.
Being your predictable self as usual I see, well, carry on. :D
Is all this going to turn into yet another BillyB harangue?
Though it could have been phrased differently, Billy does have a point. I was reading a few days back a piece in The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/men-would-you-really-dump-your-girlfriend-for-gaining-weight/article2111163/) which stated: "A new poll (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/love/dating/half-of-men-say-weight-gain-is-grounds-for-dumping-a-woman-poll/article2110536/) of 7,600 men by AskMen. com has found that half of men would dump their girlfriend if she gained weight, according to the Vancouver Sun (http://www.vancouversun.com/Canadian+they+romantic/5164748/story.html)."
And, this from the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/men-leave-weight-gain_n_911143.html): "Almost 50 percent of men surveyed in a new poll of 70,000 people said they would leave a partner who gained weight (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43898300), reports MSNBC. In contrast, only 20 percent of women said they would ditch a significant other for putting on extra pounds."
No one said that Billy was unique.
So where do you fit Misha? Do you love your wife or do you just love your wife's body?
Trying to make it personal again I see. Honestly, I can say that I love my wife and I love her body as well. It is not an either/or proposition. A man can be married to a woman that he loves and be physically attracted to her as well. Where is the contradiction in your mind? Does love preclude attraction? Or does attraction preclude love?
No, but physical qualities come second to inner ones, and IMO, attraction based solely or even primarily on the physical attributes of a partner is so very much inferior.
Many Russian women can live on very little money. They don't need a new Mercedes when a $1,000 used Toyota is enough.
Most attended music, dance, art classes. Such classes in the USA can be expensive.
That's why it's better to have a wife who can dance, play a musical instrument, and play soccer. Huge savings!
They also want the same for their kids. And if such classes are too exensive (for you)for their kids they will not be very happy.
There are exceptions.
Yeah right.
There are exceptions.
Avoid spoiled girls from Odessa, Moscow, Saint Petersburg...
The problem with your argument Billy is that you almost always talk about unlikely extremes.
Billy, I really don't take you that seriously, youare an actor seeking a stage.
To answer your question, If my wife ballooned to 300, 400, 500 lbs it would be something I would simply have to learn to deal with. Life often presents unexpected challenges.
Test your physical appeal on hotornot.com to find out how many teens find you physically appealing.
They also want the same for their kids. And if such classes are too exensive (for you)for their kids they will not be very happy.
For example, higher education in the USA is rather expensive, in Russia it's cheap or even free. Most Russian ladies that I've met were educated, knew foreign languages and had good professions: accountants, doctors, teachers...
However, most Ukrainian pro-daters on pay-per-letter websites are waitresses, sellers, hairdressers, nail clippers...
Most attended music, dance, art classes. Such classes in the USA can be expensive.
Most enjoy cooking.
Very few white American women cook.
Many Russian women can live on very little money.
Such is the way of fora. My apologies for adding to the side track.
Wow, how old are you again? Sex can be a number of things. It can certainly be purely a physical act sure. Did I say anywhere that it couldn't? (please, take your time) You can do it yourself and it's pure physical, you can buy you a piece of fat meat at the grocery store and keep it purely physical between you and the meat. You can pay a prostitute and keep it purely physical and business like. None of that is what was the discussion here is it?
You raped Billy over the coals for allegedly implying that sex was a purely physical act, so I just reponded to what you wrote, good Sir.
Also, unless sex has somehow become a metaphysical act, then it IS purely physical. But that does not devalue it.
I'm not sure what my age has to do with anything, but if you ar calling me young, I will graciously accept the compliment :D .
I wouldn't think most men who have moved beyond adolescence would need this explained to them but I'll give you the short version without calling for the Priest, OK?
Yes, making love between to people in love or merely with just an emotional attachment is much more than just a purely physical act. There is more to sex and love making than your animal instincts to seeking out a mate to bear your children and someone to be your sperm dumpster. So very much more. If you ever have that bond, love and emotional attachment to someone besides yourself, you might be allow to experience it. ;D
Yes, I've been there.
Have you been to any of this cities Vincenzo? Do you think the city I was born in has anything to do with what car I drive? Do you know many people choosing an old Toyota when they can afford a new Mercedes?
Try to date Paris Hilton. A new dress every night, a new diamond, a new pink Bentley...
When you don't have a choice, most people will live on little money whether they want to or not.
Vince, do you really think the daughter's of Russia's billionaires will be any more down to earth than Paris Hilton?I don't know about rich Russians.
When I was in Siberia, everybody drove used Toyotas, Hondas, and Ladas.
Yes, I've been there.
When I was in Siberia, everybody drove used Toyotas, Hondas, and Ladas. Though, I have a prejudice. I favor Siberian girls now.
(http://datemyride.com/sites/default/files/Mark%20Zuckerberg%20Acura.jpg?1309138379)
My first date with an American guy here was about the same way, that was why I started a thread in another branch, that was the problem that instead of having a nice conversation people concentrate on my "status" and details. I know that's important but I assume you don't meet many girls that ask you about your income, SSN, debts, etc on the first date, so why would I have to be put in the condition when I have to feel like I am in the interview in the American embassy instead of a date that is supposed to be romantic.This is a good illustration of why I don't.
I don't know about rich Russians.
But I know that Russian girls are more down to earth than American, especially in provincial cities, and especially in Siberia. They can cook, sew, knit.
They can easily walk miles on high heels.
They can be happy without expensive cars, diamonds, and designer outfits.
But when a man presents something beautiful, a Russian girl will enjoy it.
But I know that Russian girls are more down to earth than American, especially in provincial cities, and especially in Siberia.
They can cook, sew, knit.
They can easily walk miles on high heels.
They can be happy without expensive cars, diamonds, and designer outfits. But when a man presents something beautiful, a Russian girl will enjoy it.
Well, it was easy to spot used Toyotas because most of them were Right Hand Drive. Mark II, Crown, Corona...
It sounds like you see only what you want to see. There are plenty of Mercedes, BMWs, Lexii, Hummers and other more expensive vehicles in Siberia.
How would you know anyone purchased their car used in the first place???
Well, it was easy to spot used Toyotas because most of them were Right Hand Drive.
@ Vincenzo, yes, I am with Jooky, my Father in Law from NSK bought a brand new right hand drive car. Why would you assume it was used just cause it was right hand drive? :cluebat:Russia is not the UK. No dealership sells brand new right hand drive cars.
.... If a woman has good character, good personality, and I can have a good emotional connection with her, I can be her friend. That's it. She has to be appealing to my eye to be my lover otherwise I can't get it up. Men should be honest with themselves. If a woman is a good friend and good lover, then she's a keeper.
Russia is not the UK. No dealership sells brand new right hand drive cars.
As for a woman's attractiveness as the leading motivation for sex...I'll give you that's part of it. All of it? I don't agree. The ol' saying comes to mind, BillyB; ...for every gorgeous woman out there, there's a man who's sick and tired of ------ her.."
The problem with your argument Billy is that you almost always talk about unlikely extremes. So yes, I will agree that most people have limits but there are other factors at work here and I would also argue that if there was such a disconnect between a couple that one would gain such enormous amounts of weight without regard for their partner, there would usually have to be something else wrong with the relationship. And yes, in these extreme cases, attraction would probably suffer for most people, but perhaps this would not only be due to the weight gain but because of the underlying causes. I say this as weight gain in itself doesn't seem to effect the attraction amongst all couples. Anyway, your 100Kg weight gain examples are going to be rare even in the US, certainly so in Europe, so it's a silly argument.
But getting back to your constant harping, I'd say your idea of an acceptable weight gain threshold is fairly low and your view of what is "attractive" is superficial. That you so easily dismiss the emotional component of attraction in a loving long term relationship just reinforces my view that you are immature and emotionally damaged or unavailable.
They are easily smuggled in the country :) And speaking of warranty - I don't know how it is in the USA, but in CIS countries warranty is more of a headache than a benefit :)
The USA is the same,,,,
Warranties are just a scam to get you to pay more....
Like with electronics,, They wanted $25 dollars for a 2 year replacement warranty on a $70 dollar web cam..
In two years it will be obsolete,,,,,,,
The USA is the same,,,,
Warranties are just a scam to get you to pay more....
Like with electronics,, They wanted $25 dollars for a 2 year replacement warranty on a $70 dollar web cam..
In two years it will be obsolete,,,,,,,
Darth, I bought a digital camera at Office Max and paid $14 for two-year warranty. Before the end of two years I contacted them because the pictures were not coming out good. I didn't have to mention that my little son lubricated the lens with yogurt. Got all the money I paid for the camera, including tax.
Life's unexpected challenges is when you lose your job or when your face gets burned and arm amputated after a car accident. If you've been good to your spouse, he/she may stay by your side because you created love and a strong bond in your relationship.
Those things and others are out of your control. Some things are within your control. Over eating, alcholism, and gambling are a few. Being in control is attractive to women. I don't have those problems.
To the Russian Ladies on the board,
What is the "right" answer to the aforementioned question? To me the question has subtext of "What is this man's defect?"
Thanks.
LOL..... :cluebat: Thats like asking WHY DONT YOU DATE A CANADIAN WOMAN? The answer is simple. A waste of time and money!!! I was born and live in Canada I have dated lots of ladies all a waste of time and money. They are materialistic you need a big bank account to keep her happy. If there not happy wwwhhhhooooaaaa Look out shes out with your best friend or whoever taking it all off for them! I been to Russia once and iam going back in a couple days here to see my girl. I must say I got the most use of my dollar flying to Russia and touring. Man!! What a beautiful country!!! The ladies there are way more serious about there men and family. Love the old fashioned values! To all FSU ladies hold your heads high!! After going to Russia a couple times yes i had to save some money. But if you do the math it was far cheaper for me to go to Russia for a month at a time. Then waste time and money on Canadian women!
I like Canadian women. They're usually gorgeous women. At least the many I've seen in my life before.
I just wished they shaved their armpits a little more often... :P :)
I like Canadian women. They're usually gorgeous women. At least the many I've seen in my life before.
I just wished they shaved their armpits a little more often... :P :)
...Tried yet?
Hey, it's cold here.
We need to keep warm somehow. :P
"Why don't you just date an American woman?"
A. the selection of available FSUW will be "younger"
B. the selection of available FSUW will be "hotter"
C. the selection of available FSUW will be "easier"
D. the AM does not posess the level of social skills or bait to date AW of the same calibre that he can get in the FSU.
Have I said this before?
Is this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.It's non-sense Lily, it is not even close to the normal behavior of AW that it's actually laughable.
Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?
You forgot the most important:
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!! :rolleyes2:
brave girl
Muzh, it's a rather long running and quite boring tete a tete between myself and
Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
Thx
It's non-sense Lily, it is not even close to the normal behavior of AW that it's actually laughable.
You forgot the most important:
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!! :rolleyes2:
brave girl
Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
Thx
You did JR, except your item D was not that developed ;)
Now that I have had some more time being in a relationship with a RW and getting to know a number of RW who have married foriegn men; There is one reoccurring theme that I am picking up from RW...I do believe they say what they mean and mean what they say when referring to a "good man". As my wife explains it to me it is that too many of the Russian men are unacceptable.
They have a great appreciation for a "Good Man". More than I could have ever thought possible with an AW. In fact I have never had an AW tell me she fell in love with her man/husband because he was such a good man, yet over and over again I hear from RW that the fact her man was a "good man" is what made her want to be with him and get married.
Our Lily posted this in Billy's thread:
"This paragraph by you caught my attention. Could I ask for your opinion on why would men marry at all? If a man can have a quality girlfriend and spend lots of time with her, assuming she is local, why would he want to marry her?"
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg282021#new (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg282021#new)
Are you saying AW have the same view?
American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.Could you please specify the traditional values other than expecting you to be her butler ?
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp
I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can cook, too. Many of them look great also.
The main difference is that they are not that direct it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.
I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can cook, too. Many of them look great also.
The main difference is that they are not that direct it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.
American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp
All this continued BS about desiring FSUW because they have 'traditional values' that AW don't.
Only two clear differences between 'average' women in each group.
That is the FSUW are more slender than the AW and the FSUW will 'accept' a larger age gap.
That's it folks.
All the rest is hooooooeeeeeeyyyyyy.
ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)Whats wrong with Dancing With The Stars?????
--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities
All this continued BS about desiring FSUW because they have 'traditional values' that AW don't.
Only two clear differences between 'average' women in each group.
That is the FSUW are more slender than the AW and the FSUW will 'accept' a larger age gap.
That's it folks.
All the rest is hooooooeeeeeeyyyyyy.
ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)
--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities
Whats wrong with Dancing With The Stars?????
Sounds like you are into the physical. I too appreciate that, yet there is more dependent upon the woman. I have noted some key differences, many of which fall under the umbrella of traditional values. For example, RW are imprinted by a society where the men have long had higher testosterone levels than the women, :D
Whats wrong with Dancing With The Stars?????
ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)
--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities
Education:
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And, generally, Ukrainian girls/women are far more materialistic than their Western counterparts...
Sounds like you are into the physical.
Education:
And, generally, Ukrainian girls/women are far more materialistic than their Western counterparts...
Timinua, do you mean you have explored the effect of nationality on women's level of materialism?! :oAre you going for sarcasm because my point is so ludicrous?
Could you please reveal your method of assessing UW's and their Western sisters' degree of being materialistic ?
Are you going for sarcasm because my point is so ludicrous?
I have a PhD in English with a minor in cultural theory, so yes, as nerdy as it may be, analyzing culture is something that I do.
I lived in the UK for 17 years, France for a year, the US for 14 years, and I have been living in Ukraine for 8. I was a professor in the US, and I have taught at universities and at my own school in Ukraine. I would conservatively estimate having taught about a 1000 US and a 1000 Ukrainian female students. In every course that I teach, the topic of social class, socioeconomics, and materialism is discussed.
But maybe that sampling isn't wide enough to make a statement such as I did...
Are you going for sarcasm because my point is so ludicrous?
But maybe that sampling isn't wide enough to make a statement such as I did...
ML,
While I agree with your premise that two large differences between AW and FSUW are the two examples you stated, I believe that there are many more clear differences. American culture has changed a lot over the past 40 years. Every women wanting the white picket fence and a large family has changed from the time it was nearly universal.
Some of the differences I have noticed include:
1. Many American women have now put their career in a higher priority than marriage and raising a family.
2. FSUW are not only more slender, they also work hard to maintain their beauty for years to come and do their best to look nice whenever away from home. This is not true of a large percentage of AW.
3. FSUW dress much nicer than AW when in public. Just go to Walmart or a mall to make a comparison.
4. Having children out of wedlock has become so common in the US that we no longer can use the term 'illegitimate' referring to children out of wedlock. While there are many FSUW that are divorced with children, my observation is that most of them were married when they had their children. You might see this as a degradation of 'family values' in the US.
5. The temperament of FSUW is very different from AW as evidenced by many of the posters both single and married as well as descriptions in various books.
7. The closeness of family and extended family is much more prevalent with FSUW. Many of us in America have our families scattered across the whole USA, mainly due to employment opportunities. In the FSU the bond is so tight that adult children often live with parents even after getting married. These are certainly clear differences between FSUW and AW. Not saying it is good or bad, just that there are a lot of clear differences that you overlooked.
8. Another difference I suspect to be true, but cannot prove is the use of illegal/recreational drugs by FSUW vs AW. My limited experience leads me to believe that most FSUW are not into casual use of recreational drugs. On the other hand, the common use of drugs by both married and single AW (and men) in the US is far greater than most people believe. This is particular true for AW that are single and not married raising a family. On the US side, I know it from observation, the FSU side I am not certain but have not read a lot of posts about it nor witnessed it.
8. Another difference I suspect to be true, but cannot prove is the use of illegal/recreational drugs by FSUW vs AW. My limited experience leads me to believe that most FSUW are not into casual use of recreational drugs. On the other hand, the common use of drugs by both married and single AW (and men) in the US is far greater than most people believe. This is particular true for AW that are single and not married raising a family. On the US side, I know it from observation, the FSU side I am not certain but have not read a lot of posts about it nor witnessed it.
Ludicrous? No! I find it too daring
That sampling is not enough to provide any statements to label the UW . IMHO
That sampling is not enough to provide any statements to label the UW . IMHO
....bla bla bla...math...
The central limit theorem (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Central_limit_theorem) states that the sampling distribution of a statistic will be normal or nearly normal, if any of the following conditions apply.
- The population distribution is normal.
- The sampling distribution is symmetric (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Symmetry), unimodal (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Unimodal%20distribution), without outliers (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Outlier), and the sample size is 15 or less.
- The sampling distribution is moderately skewed (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Skewness), unimodal, without outliers, and the sample size is between 16 and 40.
- The sample size is greater than 40, without outliers.
I'll get back to you once I've surveyed all 27 million Ukrainian females.
Actually his sample is quite enough.
According to the central limit theorem (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Central_limit_theorem), the sampling distribution (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Sampling_distribution) of a statistic (like a sample mean) will follow a normal distribution (http://stattrek.com/Help/Glossary.aspx?Target=Normal%20distribution), as long as the sample size is sufficiently large. Therefore, .... states that the sampling distribution of a statistic will be normal or nearly normal, if any of the following conditions apply.
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I say you can check French girls v Ukrainian girls because in both countries you would compare expats girlfriends to expats girlfriends. But to compare Ukrainian to Americans you will have expat girlfriends vs "normal population" (as you would have exposure to "normal population". )
But Tim said: I would conservatively estimate having taught about a 1000 US and a 1000 Ukrainian female students.
He wasn't involved with MOB gals or those who had expat boyfriends.
Very good analysis and well written VWRW.Thanks ML.
I think your number 3 needs to be expanded on a bit.
Is it just that the FSUW and AW are similar in skin tone, facial features, etc. (compared to Indian, African and Oriental women for example), or does it have to do with religion and other factors also? I haven't given too much thought to it.
Actually his sample is quite enough.
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I agree that combination of factors influences WM to chase FSUW. In my opinion the factors are 1) lighter weight of FSUW, 2) their willingness to accept a larger age difference, 3) their being street smart despite their incompetent educational system, and 4) their efforts to look nice. All these factors were already mentioned.I am not American so have no reason to look there! Regardless -- you summarise some of my reasons well for looking in FSU.
3) their seeming similarity to Western people.
Why did not you go to India in your search of a life partner? :)
There are quite a few very smart people here, but they are smart DESPITE the educational system, not because of it.The words about educational system are not consistent with the common sense. The system could be corrupt but missiles are still flying in cosmos.
And, generally, Ukrainian girls/women are far more materialistic than their Western counterparts...
The words about educational system are not consistent with the common sense. The system could be corrupt but missiles are still flying in cosmos.
UW could be more materialistic than their Western counterparts. But what does it mean? They have less cash to spend? They want to know man's income before marry him? They focus on earning money? Meaning of being materialistic is not clear point for me.
Russian women expect expensive presents very early in a relationshipI would not call this as materialistic, must be some another definition for that (scam?). Russian women expect signs of care and chivalry, not expensive gifts.
IMO Russian people do not know how or why to save for the future, because apparently they have gone through so many currency collapses that they are more inclined to spend all of their money right away. This is considered to be very foolish in the West (a fool and his money are soon parted--save it for a rainy day).Not saving for future is indication for being non-materialistic. Isn't it? :)
I would not call this as materialistic, must be some another definition for that (scam?). Russian women expect signs of care and chivalry, not expensive gifts.
Not saving for future is indication for being non-materialistic. Isn't it? :)
...I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc. They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.
You are completely missing the point. We save for the future so that we have money for our childrens education (which yes, is much better--no matter that you have rockets up in the cosmos--we have the top Universities in the world)...
We save for the future so that we have money for our childrens education (which yes, is much better--no matter that you have rockets up in the cosmos--we have the top Universities in the world)
Once they will feel confident that their basic needs are securely satisfied, they will display similar attitude to the material that their western counterparts have.
By the numbers, you are correct, however, his sample is comprised of "Ladies seeking to learn English"...
Now, for a number of reasons, that sample may be pertinent to our own specific group, but as a subgroup may or may not be representative of the UW group.
You are probably saying this as a Russian man who knew what kind of women to avoid in the first place. I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc. They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.
American women are certainly not as slender or attractive as Russian women, but if you bought her one tiny trinket in six months she would be very happy. The Russian woman would not!!
I don't dispute you have the top Universities in the world. I respect MIT very much, have some reservations about others.
We employ another approach to close our educational flaws. Send in USA smart girls like Anna Chapman with help of MOB industry, they bring back in Russia modern technology. Pretty simple, no need to raise good engineers and scientists among locals :)
...AnotherKiwi,
I stand corrected. Of course you are right, we have some of the best Universities here in the USA. And you are also correct that it is big big business here--whereas in Socialist European countries--the best students can go to University on a shoestring budget compared to what it can cost here.
Yes Belvis, I am well aware that your MIG jet technology was an exact (almost) duplication of the tech which was used in the first ever Jet--the Messerschmitt Me 262 Jet developed by the Germans during WWII...
Great Britain socialist? On. my sainted aunt... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
I'm glad you consider $20-22,000 a shoestring budget. You can pay for your FSUW's education in England, then have (presumably) heaps left over to get her to the USA.
If, however, you mean the FSU itself, there is no guarantee (from all the murky stories which come out, some even in this forum) that the degree so obtained is worth anything much at all. Of course most are legitimate, but I'm sure that people such as mies and Lily would know of classmates or acquaintances who ended up with a degree that was not deserved, whether by doing sexual favours for lecturers, simple bribery, or having a father who was someone important (just three possible scenarios). And please note, ladies, I do mean a small proportion.
Sorry mate but you are confused if you think I was referring to England. I was actually referring to places like
France and Germany which do have very good Universities, and cost much less than those in the US.
Understood, but four of the universities on the list I quoted were English, and none were from continental Europe.
What's even more interesting is that all the English ones have annual fees in the region of the equivalent of $US 14-16,000, compared with $38-$42,000 for the US ones. Even the overseas student rate at Cambridge and Oxford is only $22-24,000.
Try to date Paris Hilton. A new dress every night, a new diamond, a new pink Bentley...
Can you match her by buying a new designer suit every day?
I'd rather die than dating Paris Hilton!!!!
I think she's sweet.. but I can't afford her.. even for one date. :D
I did like her bed time trysts.. is that porn?
In regard to materialism of FSW women, a few years ago, I would agree that FSUW might be more materialistic. Now, i tend to think that they are NOT any more materialistic than their western counterparts. FSUW may appear materialistic because many of them have their basic needs unsatisfied . In other words, material things have a tremendous importance only when you cannot afford them to your full satisfaction. For example, let's look at me. when i lived in Russia, material things were important to me, not so now. I do not really care if i live in 150,000$ house or 500,000$ house. I do not really care if i drive this car or another. I am entirely focused on satisfying my need of self realization and personal growth. The same will be true about most Russian people, i believe. Once they will feel confident that their basic needs are securely satisfied, they will display similar attitude to the material that their western counterparts have.
You are probably saying this as a Russian man who knew what kind of women to avoid in the first place. I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc. They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.Not sure about your experience, but my experience is completely different. Yes, there are women who do this, but last time I checked it had nothing to do with any particular nationality.
American women are certainly not as slender or attractive as Russian women, but if you bought her one tiny trinket in six months she would be very happy. The Russian woman would not!!More BS.
You are completely missing the point. We save for the future so that we have money for our childrens education (which yes, is much better--no matter that you have rockets up in the cosmos--we have the top Universities in the world), for unexpected medical emergencies, and for other unexpected expenses. My experience with Russian women--they will do everything they can to manipulate you to buy them some unneccesary clothing, shoes, etc (when the room and closet is already overflowing with the stuff!!).More and more Russians are making more money and saving their money. As this country moves into the future, changes in attitude happened at a very fast pace. It is an emerging country, least you forget. They now see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Materialistic!!!
In regard to materialism of FSW women, a few years ago, I would agree that FSUW might be more materialistic. Now, i tend to think that they are NOT any more materialistic than their western counterparts. FSUW may appear materialistic because many of them have their basic needs unsatisfied . In other words, material things have a tremendous importance only when you cannot afford them to your full satisfaction. For example, let's look at me. when i lived in Russia, material things were important to me, not so now. I do not really care if i live in 150,000$ house or 500,000$ house. I do not really care if i drive this car or another. I am entirely focused on satisfying my need of self realization and personal growth. The same will be true about most Russian people, i believe. Once they will feel confident that their basic needs are securely satisfied, they will display similar attitude to the material that their western counterparts have.I agree with this 100%. I mentioned this many moons ago and used my "hungry tiger theory" as an analogy. Basically, a well fed tiger sure isn't they same as one who hasn't eaten for some time.
You are probably saying this as a Russian man who knew what kind of women to avoid in the first place. I can tell you 1000% that Russian and Ukrainian women will try to bilk a Western man out of every penny he has in an effort to get expensive dinners, fur coats, jewellry, etc. They not only have no shame about it, they are brazen.
I agree with this 100%. I mentioned this many moons ago and used my "hungry tiger theory" as an analogy. Basically, a well fed tiger sure isn't they same as one who hasn't eaten for some time.
To put it another way, if you run 5 miles, or play basketball for a couple of hours without water and I sit around and hydrate myself during this time, who do you think will be thirstier?
For anyone to make comparisons, then let's at least do it apples to apples.
I have mentioned over time (and many of you SHOULD know this) that this part of the world is 'emerging'. Why this very obvious fact doesn't register with the majority of posters on this forum when making comparisons is, well, interesting, to say the least.
Again, as if many of you need to be inform of this, free market economy has only been around the FSU for 22 years. If you take into consideration that the first 10 were a complete disaster, then you can see real time free market economy is even less.
FSU people have only been able to have the things for a very short time, things that most of the western world has had since they were babies. As hard as it has become for some of you to understand, and many whom you would think should know, give the people in this neck of the woods some time to digest the water that they only begun to drink after running for so long without.
Is the profile info under your avatar accurate, that you have never traveled to FSU?
Not sure about your experience, but my experience is completely different. Yes, there are women who do this, but last time I checked it had nothing to do with any particular nationality.
Again, my experience with RW couldn't be any different than the way you portray it. And I'm positive I know way more of them than you.
Yes, I have met the kind of Russian woman you refer to, but I have also met this kind of woman who was American, Latin, Japanese, etc. The RW that I have met who were like this fall way in to the minority.
More BS.
I get the feeling you've met up with some who were this way. Nothing more.
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Again, the astute reader might ask me questions about my opinions. I really think that American guys could learn a lot from Russian guys--that is the importance of being a gentleman and showing a lady you are with that you care about her.
Now that is an interesting opinion and/or observation since it is contrary to nearly all the posts on the forum, the information in several E-Books on the subject, as well as what I am told in emails from FSU women.
In case you have not read about it, the reasons for so many FSU women immigrating to other countries is because they cannot find what you are suggesting in FSUM. You want us to follow their examples?
How much time did you spend in FSU countries?
1. The national sport of Ukraine, besides Soccer, seems to be in scamming Western men out of thousands of dollars each. No doubt it is a huge part of their economy. Quite frankly I prefer the morals of a prostitute, who gives a man exactly what he pays for--than to the morals of pro daters who pretend to be interested in a Western man, whilst the whole time her and the translator and the driver have a carefully planned routine in place in how to bilk the poor durak out of maximum funds. They don't even care for one second that the poor fool paid thousands just to get there, and gave up his vacation period (his only vacation period in an entire year) to get there. They are ruthless and cut-throat in their determination to part him from at least a thousand dollars or more on expensive gifts, overpriced rooms and overpriced taxis.
Plenty of guys here say so sad, too bad. I say that the Ukrainian and Russian mentality that corruption is good, is extremely short sighted. The next time there is another economic collapse, ala 2008--they will have their hands out yet again for loans from the IMF.
I say that the Ukrainian and Russian mentality that corruption is good, is extremely short sighted. The next time there is another economic collapse, ala 2008--they will have their hands out yet again for loans from the IMF.As far as I know Russia is considering to give a loan to IMF, and was helping other countries with loans in 2008. :)
As far as I know Russia is considering to give a loan to IMF, and was helping other countries with loans in 2008. :)
A few words about corruption:
The issue is rather complicated if go into details. Of course nobody likes it, but I would like to note the main difference between USA and Russia concerning corruption. The difference is the attitude to the problem. Russians admit corruption is likely the main evil they suffer from. It is the necessary step to fight against it.
In USA I observe the same kind of problem, when money are redistributed through FED and government policy from ordinary taxpayers to fat cats. Perhaps the movement Occupy Wall Street is a first sign of recognition of the problem.
If you are referring to the Wall Street bailout I agree with you that it was wrong--even criminal. Unfortunately the alternative was total economic collapse--worse than the Great Depression.
This may appear to be a contradiction, but keep in mind that most Wall Street firms are not breaking the law--and do in fact help to raise money to help new companies and their products to thrive, which helps middle class people who work in those factories making those products.
You must believe Obama and other socialists if you believe what you wrote above. Capitalism and Wall Street creates jobs--government does their best to destroy the economic climate which allow business to thrive.
If you are referring to the Wall Street bailout I agree with you that it was wrong--even criminal. Unfortunately the alternative was total economic collapse--worse than the Great Depression.
This may appear to be a contradiction, but keep in mind that most Wall Street firms are not breaking the law--and do in fact help to raise money to help new companies and their products to thrive, which helps middle class people who work in those factories making those products.
Ukrainian/Russian women (or anyone) who scam Western men for thousands $$$ by pretending to be interested in them are WORSE than the real prostitutes!!! They should be given bad names than these prostitutes who are 'honest' to them
You must believe Obama and other socialists if you believe what you wrote above. Capitalism and Wall Street creates jobs--government does their best to destroy the economic climate which allow business to thrive.
If you are referring to the Wall Street bailout I agree with you that it was wrong--even criminal. Unfortunately the alternative was total economic collapse--worse than the Great Depression.
This may appear to be a contradiction, but keep in mind that most Wall Street firms are not breaking the law--and do in fact help to raise money to help new companies and their products to thrive, which helps middle class people who work in those factories making those products.
And what the name we should give to Western men who are exploiting or trying to exploit Ukrainian/Russian women?
I know several Russian ladies here in Vegas. One of them, although she identifies as Russian, grew up in Germany. In her opinion the Russian girls she knows here are far more materialistic and fake than their American counterparts. This concurs with my own observations and experience--although I am an optimist and believe that I or others might find a true gem--I am not holding my breath.
we really need a 'scratching head' icon...
And what the name we should give to Western men who are exploiting or trying to exploit Ukrainian/Russian women?
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us?
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want? New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us?
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want? New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.
There are many other very good women, but many of us if not most, do not know where to begin to look, at least at first.I will answer you later. Now i go to work. :)
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us?
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want? New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.
Florida seems to be a magnet for interesting people.
You might understand my first post better if I tell you I am an American dissident.
Your mother can tell you what being a dissident was like in the FSU.
This is getting interesting...
The center here is advising everyone to store food. It wouldn't be good to be skinny if the center is right. They think hard times are coming here soon. I think they may be right. I am storing extra food.
This is getting interesting...
Alyosha, who is the "Center" and how can I talk to them?
I'd like to know from the reputable source what food and how much to store for the upcoming hard times. The "Center" sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Please give me the "Center"'s contact information.
There are many other very good women, but many of us if not most, do not know where to begin to look, at least at first.Is many web sites where a lot of RW/UW look for foreign husband. And that women want to keep conversation personally with men. They knows English (some of them knows 2-3 languages). And they want to make decision themselves with which man they want to chat and meet. They are independent and knows what they want. And they never will meet man which never see him and trying to know him better before will meet (sometimes it takes few months).
Is many web sites where a lot of RW/UW look for foreign husband. And that women want to keep conversation personally with men. They knows English (some of them knows 2-3 languages). And they want to make decision themselves with which man they want to chat and meet. They are independent and knows what they want. And they never will meet man which never see him and trying to know him better before will meet (sometimes it takes few months).
This is getting interesting...
Alyosha, who is the "Center" and how can I talk to them?
I'd like to know from the reputable source what food and how much to store for the upcoming hard times. The "Center" sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Please give me the "Center"'s contact information.
I take it you aren't FSU resident so my food storage comments weren't directed to you.So, is Robert Prechter the one that you call "The Center"? I'd like to know exactly who/what "the Cente" is
There are lots of people in USA who recommend storing food.
Just go on youtube and type in "preppers." They toute a lot of common sense ideas.
Also I'm a veteran so I read oathkeepers.org occasionally. They also recommend people store food.
Also I think maybe Robert Prechter, "Conquer the Crash" 2002 has some accurate ideas abut the nature of social collapse, as happend in FSU and I think quite likely in USA soon.
Prechter predicted in 2002 that we were likely to see depression and deflation, not hyper inflation. He advised me to buy gold in 2003, which I did and sold in 2011. I'm happy with Prechter's advice. So far he's been right.
Which websites would you recommend Olly? Do you still live in Russia? Which city if I may ask?For example:
For example:
http://freepersonals.ru/ (http://freepersonals.ru/)
http://www.russianamericanlove.com (http://www.russianamericanlove.com)
http://www.cherryblossoms.com (http://www.cherryblossoms.com)
http://www.russianeuro.com (http://www.russianeuro.com)
http://www.privetzapad.com (http://www.privetzapad.com)
http://www.elenasmodels.com (http://www.elenasmodels.com)
http://russian-dating.com/ (http://russian-dating.com/)
And many others.
Yes i live in Russia in Nizhny Novgorod city.
So the test is . . . which are free or monthly cost for men?Just open these sites and check. :)
My mother was born in America. I am also American, I just lived in Ukraine for some time. This site isn't a place to find dates but a place to discuss inter-cultural relationships.
Welcome to the board.
This is getting interesting...
Alyosha, who is the "Center" and how can I talk to them?
I'd like to know from the reputable source what food and how much to store for the upcoming hard times. The "Center" sounds like they know what they are talking about.
Please give me the "Center"'s contact information.
Did anything else in my original long post interest you? Are you interested in nature and animals for instance?I find your whole long post very interesting. I am especially interested in a detailed explanation of what the "Center" is :) Animals are cool too, especially if you cook them right.
Maybe I shouldn't ask. I think I saw where you are married.
Some of the language I used was meant to connect with the FSU ladies. I take it you are not FSU. Even if you are I don't want to amplify any more.
It's late, Dub Nitz.
I find your whole long post very interesting. I am especially interested in a detailed explanation of what the "Center" is :) Animals are cool too, especially if you cook them right.
And yes, I am as FSUW as it gets ;)
So, is Robert Prechter the one that you call "The Center"? I'd like to know exactly who/what "the Cente" is
For example:
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://www.russianamericanlove.com
http://www.cherryblossoms.com
http://www.russianeuro.com
http://www.privetzapad.com
http://www.elenasmodels.com
http://russian-dating.com/
And many others.
Yes i live in Russia in Nizhny Novgorod city.
Just open these sites and check. :)
Talking of free sites ……..
I’m still trying to work out why on the free sites I’m way too old for the age of lady I seek, yet on the pay and play sites the young hotties miraculously are very happy to meet old codgers of my age. It’s spooky, but it gives me faith in the Lord.
Btw. The only food I store is milk and when it runs out (usually after 3 or 4 days) I just pop to the shop and buy some more. I recommend more people live like I do.
I am also a little curious about the term "center", however it is not a big deal. Several organizations and some religions have encouraged Americans to store food and other items for emergencies. The emergency does not have to be political upheaval, it can also be a natural disaster.
It is just common sense. For those that go through life thinking "It can't happen to me", are the first to want to mooch off those that prepared themselves. Anyone that has seen store shelves empty out on one day, get the drift of why every family is wise to prepare in advance for emergencies. It's not necessary to become a fanatic about it, just use some common sense. It not only includes food, but backup power and other essential items.
Im sorry, if all RW are too bad and materialistic, why you want to marry us?
Or maybe you look for not there?
Most of you use the agencies. But usually agency have too young girls with no english, students, or woman with kids and with no good job.
So what a young girl want? New boots, clothes and entertainments. What a woman with no good job and with kids want ? Money!
Smart and serious woman who want to find a good foreign husband - study inglish, have a PC and good internet for conversation, looking good, care for her health. And it means she have enough money for this.
But of course most of RW don't want to do anything and sits on their bums and waiting for the fine foreign prince on a white horse who will pay for all their wishes.
Talking of free sites ……..
I’m still trying to work out why on the free sites I’m way too old for the age of lady I seek, yet on the pay and play sites the young hotties miraculously are very happy to meet old codgers of my age. It’s spooky, but it gives me faith in the Lord.
Btw. The only food I store is milk and when it runs out (usually after 3 or 4 days) I just pop to the shop and buy some more. I recommend more people live like I do.
Supply and demand ;D
I find your whole long post very interesting. I am especially interested in a detailed explanation of what the "Center" is :) Animals are cool too, especially if you cook them right.
And yes, I am as FSUW as it gets ;)
Considering he is from Kansas with some devastating tornadoes each year, I thought the "center" was the National Weather Center (Service). In Florida we follow the National Hurricanes Center when a tropical depression appears on the weather map.
Then again, Center could be some right wing splinter group, white supremists, etc.
One looked just like Shura from "Ballad of A Soldier" Now you know why my handle.
A farmer 50 kilometers east of us used to rent another 130 hectors from mother. One year he showed us a photo with five deer hanging up. He and his son had bagged them in one day. Venison is a welcome addition to the locals diet during hunting season.
I also like Buffalo burgers, but haven't had the opportunity to eat one in years.
We always had fun on our grandparents farms during summers.
One thing I remember is aunt Blanche canning wild plumbs, and the time we all picked peaches near Wichita.
No, it is not quite that simple.I don't know what is FSUW 101 list.
Many of them go to great lengths to hide the actual costs until you have spent a LOT of time there fussing around.
Vincenzo, this explanation looks plausible to me, but as a RW in Russia I would have a hard time believing it. A woman who is unattractive but who at the same time has this requirements for a man sounds rather unrealistic to me. Such woman must be a complete 'dura', out of her mind, which are relatively rare. In your answer however, you would want to rely on some significant number of then in the US. Again, hard time believing this.
Lily,
That obese woman in Vincenzo's photo is obviously a joke as it's overly exaggerated, BUT it's not too far from the truth. In my experience, you do often times see fat girls with skinny guys in this country. It's just, many times, they get upset with the skinny guy is as poor as shit.
Fat girls, like skinny ones, want to be provided for, but can't compete with the hot girls. So, they get angry and bitter when the rich men go for the hot girls. But, the hot American girls tend, just like the fat ones, tend to have a ridiculously huge sense of entitlement.
It's hard to imagine the typical hot, American trophy wife doing a good job of raising children or being a good wife. Her major concern would be to spend up her husband's money on shit. Similarly, the really obese, girl wants this as well but her dumb-ass skinny boyfriend is uneducated and can't pay the bills with his minimum wage job.
Of course, that isn't all American girls and that isn't to say that American men don't have an undeserving sense of entitlement either. People in this country do care more than just looks and material wealth, but I would say that we generally do have a very materialistic culture here.
Life in the West is arranged the way that a number of local women are not that attractive, and men do not have enough choice, at least in comparison to what is available in the FSU in terms of gender relations.
I disagree. Life in the West is arranged in a way that women do not necessarily need a man to have a fulfilling life and material comfort. Few WW over forty-five want to remarry, and while divorce rates have, in the West, mostly decreased, they have doubled for couples over fifty. Most of those women will date, but have no desire to marry again. It's not attractiveness that is an issue, but the fact women have more choices.
There are fewer very attractive women here than say, 20 years ago. People have become fatter, AND our selection pool has become older... many do not age well. Sure, some do, but the "attractiveness" of the peer group has decreased. So, if a man wants a very physically attractive woman he has to compete for the few who have aged well, or go younger and compete with the younger men, or go somewhere else.
I disagree. Life in the West is arranged in a way that women do not necessarily need a man to have a fulfilling life and material comfort. Few WW over forty-five want to remarry, and while divorce rates have, in the West, mostly decreased, they have doubled for couples over fifty. Most of those women will date, but have no desire to marry again. It's not attractiveness that is an issue, but the fact women have more choices.And I also do agree with that! In my post just considered the attractiveness only, and did not took into account the 'needs' part.
More men than women are fat, if statistics are to be believed. But I don't think it is weight that is at play here, I think it is that many, many women over a certain age aren't interested in marriage.
And I also do agree with that! In my post just considered the attractiveness only, and did not took into account the 'needs' part.But it is related. If a woman is not interested in attracting a man, she will not necessarily turn her face into what my husband calls (in reference to FSUW he sees here), "nature morte", she won't dress in four inch heels and short skirts, etc.
Your message is not just about attraction, but about the marriage that sometimes have other reasons behind it. This was not what I talked about.
Call me skeptical about the rationalizations, Dave.
But it is related. If a woman is not interested in attracting a man, she will not necessarily turn her face into what my husband calls (in reference to FSUW he sees here), "nature morte", she won't dress in four inch heels and short skirts, etc.
So call it what it is. It is not because AW are all fat. Plus, men looking for FSUW are not, in general, looking for women in their forties or beyond.
So call it what it is. It is not because AW are all fat. Plus, men looking for FSUW are not, in general, looking for women in their forties or beyond.
If a woman is not interested in attracting a man, she will not necessarily turn her face into what my husband calls (in reference to FSUW he sees here), "nature morte", she won't dress in four inch heels and short skirts, etc.
...and as your husband correctly noted - some women remove themselves -- so it is safe to infer that the number of very attractive women available for dating is smaller and therefore a much more competitive process manifests as a result.
What women want guys that attracted to them due to four inch heels and short skirts?
Dave, those women dont remove themselves from dating pool, they just dont want to be drown in the shallowness of those guys who hung up on mini skirts. >:D
What women want guys that attracted to them due to four inch heels and short skirts?
Dave, those women dont remove themselves from dating pool, they just dont want to be drown in the shallowness of those guys who hung up on mini skirts. >:D
Otherwise they look like a pimp and a prostitute for the neighbors.
I think I've notice that people in FSU look to be less aged than people in the USA. Intense sunlight in the USA ages our peoples skin faster.
I counter your disagree and raise you a partial disagreeing Nuh-Uh! 8)
It is true that fewer people in their 40's, men or women, want to marry. I didn't necessarily want to get married again.
And attractiveness is an issue here. Which is the *whole* reason many guys go to the FSU. There are fewer very attractive women here than say, 20 years ago. People have become fatter, AND our selection pool has become older... many do not age well. Sure, some do, but the "attractiveness" of the peer group has decreased. So, if a man wants a very physically attractive woman he has to compete for the few who have aged well, or go younger and compete with the younger men, or go somewhere else.
Alyosha,I don't know the exact statistics, but in FSU I understand during the stress in the years just before and after 1991 a lot of men died. In America we were told Russian men's life expectancy dropped to 57 years. That could explain a shortage of men in FSU.
The majority of people do act normal in their daily life, and they do get partners this way, sooner or later. This is a normal behaviour for people, and it works for many people to a larger or lesser extent.
Men and women who look abroad however want more and better than what the local supply can offer them. Women in the FSU live in the society that tend to be very particular about many things, especially in the genders roles. They have a rather limited time of their lives in order to be deemed competitive on the dating market. If they find a way to get to the West, they inevitably will notice that their value on the dating market is different here. That's why it is in the woman's interest to get to the West if she wants to have a choice of men.
The same way works for the Western men. Life in the West is arranged the way that a number of local women are not that attractive, and men do not have enough choice, at least in comparison to what is available in the FSU in terms of gender relations. There might be many reasons for that, but let's just deal with what we have as a result. Men have to compete for attractive women in the West, the burden is on them, often not on the woman, to demonstrate his best features and to outcompete the other men.
It is not hard to notice this balance. Attractive women have an upper hand in the West, attractive men have the upper hand in the FSU. It is this simple, to put it generally.
I think I've notice that people in FSU look to be less aged than people in the USA. Intense sunlight in the USA ages our peoples skin faster.
You are 180 degrees out of whack here.
:ROFL:
I stopped wearing high heels together with short skirts in the 1st year living in UK. Each time I attempted to wear them together, after looking in the mirror, I came to conclusion if I get outside dressed like that everyone would read Eastern European женщина легкого поведения on my forehead.
You are 180 degrees out of whack here.You live where in Washington state??
...If you are over 25 before getting exposed you will not have a problem...
Dating AW would be fine if that was my goal. But I wish to get married and it's becoming a dying institution in the US.
Marriage is my goal so after a few years of trying to date in the US after my divorce with an AW, I decided to go to a place where women are looking to get married and aren't ashamed to be admitting that fact. The FSU became one of those places for me because the FSUW do a much better job of marketing themselves than the AW do. Try to compare profiles on a American dating website with those on a FSUW site. See the difference?
It was enough to make me curious, at least. Once I made a few trips, I came to the conclusion that dating is simply more enjoyable in the FSU than the US so I'll likely never go back to dating AW.
Understatement of the century. If, and that is a gigantic if, an AW is anywhere near the hotness level which I seek, you hear 100 different reasons why she cannot go out with you until the 12th of never. Russian Ukrainian women are more slender, more fashionable by 10,000 times, hotter and say why not? Let's do it!! It's just that easy. It's a world economy, and soon that will include more and more men saying enough is enough. Boring "feminist" American women who think they can wait until they are 40 years old and "fulfilled" before getting married are on the way out. They will be dinasours!!
It was enough to make me curious, at least. Once I made a few trips, I came to the conclusion that dating is simply more enjoyable in the FSU than the US so I'll likely never go back to dating AW.
I would agree they are not looking for less but I do think the priorities are different. I think looks are more important to AW and within reason less important to an FSU woman. I think inner qualities and financial stability are more important to an FSU woman and less important to AW. In the USA a hunk who is an auto mechanic or a pizza delivery person will find lots of interest in the oppoisite sex. A corporate executive who is a little nerdy will spend a lot of Saturday nights alone but probably will do well with FSU women. FSU women value a secure man who treats them well and has good inner qualities. AW are quite accepting of a handsome hunk who has little going for them and treats them like crap. Most RW won't take a lot of crap from anyone.
Don't think FSUW are looking for anything less than a woman would in the US, especially if she starts to reorient herself in new surroundings, which is quite normal btw...
I would agree they are not looking for less but I do think the priorities are different. I think looks are more important to AW and within reason less important to an FSU woman. I think inner qualities and financial stability are more important to an FSU woman and less important to AW. In the USA a hunk who is an auto mechanic or a pizza delivery person will find lots of interest in the oppoisite sex. A corporate executive who is a little nerdy will spend a lot of Saturday nights alone but probably will do well with FSU women. FSU women value a secure man who treats them well and has good inner qualities. AW are quite accepting of a handsome hunk who has little going for them and treats them like crap. Most RW won't take a lot of crap from anyone.
In America I think women are more picky because the welfare state replaces the lower class women's need for a provider.
For middle and upper class women government enforced employment preferences for woman probably makes educated women more picky about marriage.
Pretty expensive and time consuming though....
In your shoes I would continue dating at home.
I think inner qualities and financial stability are more important to an FSU woman and less important to AW.
In the USA a hunk who is an auto mechanic or a pizza delivery person will find lots of interest in the oppoisite sex. A corporate executive who is a little nerdy will spend a lot of Saturday nights alone but probably will do well with FSU women. FSU women value a secure man who treats them well and has good inner qualities. AW are quite accepting of a handsome hunk who has little going for them and treats them like crap. Most RW won't take a lot of crap from anyone.
Lily,
That obese woman in Vincenzo's photo is obviously a joke as it's overly exaggerated, BUT it's not too far from the truth. In my experience, you do often times see fat girls with skinny guys in this country. It's just, many times, they get upset with the skinny guy is as poor as shit.
Fat girls, like skinny ones, want to be provided for, but can't compete with the hot girls. So, they get angry and bitter when the rich men go for the hot girls. But, the hot American girls tend, just like the fat ones, tend to have a ridiculously huge sense of entitlement.
It's hard to imagine the typical hot, American trophy wife doing a good job of raising children or being a good wife. Her major concern would be to spend up her husband's money on shit. Similarly, the really obese, girl wants this as well but her dumb-ass skinny boyfriend is uneducated and can't pay the bills with his minimum wage job.
Of course, that isn't all American girls and that isn't to say that American men don't have an undeserving sense of entitlement either. People in this country do care more than just looks and material wealth, but I would say that we generally do have a very materialistic culture here.
Not only that but if there are more fat men than fat women, the competition for the slimmer ladies should be less. In theory. But let's be honest, it's not just about weight, it's generally more about guys with sexist tendencies, a huge sense of entitlement and, mostly, little mojo to show for it in their home country. All this is of course hidden behind the veil of language and cultural barriers when dating in the FSU... for a little while at least. ;D
The funny thing is that when the newly arrived RW wives start wearing the customary 100-lawyer make-up, 4-inch hills paired with mini skirts and tight shirts in the US, their husbands tend to tell them to tone down to blend in. Otherwise they look like a pimp and a prostitute for the neighbors.
I have to say, I am very careful with what I wear to work, and always ask my husband if the new purchase for work is too tight/short/sexy. It's better to be underdressed than overdressed if you are to bwe taken seriously in professional circles here.
You live where in Washington state??
I live in Florida, they tell us the sun will give us skin cancer and damage our looks as well. I've known several people here who have skin cancers. That's why farm women here in the south get leathery looking skin by age 50.
It's mostly when your skin is young and tender that you get sun damage. If you are over 25 before getting exposed you will not have a problem. That's why all the Southern Bells in "Gone With the Wind" carried parasols.
Dating AW would be fine if that was my goal. But I wish to get married and it's becoming a dying institution in the US.
Marriage is my goal so after a few years of trying to date in the US after my divorce with an AW, I decided to go to a place where women are looking to get married and aren't ashamed to be admitting that fact. The FSU became one of those places for me because the FSUW do a much better job of marketing themselves than the AW do. Try to compare profiles on a American dating website with those on a FSUW site. See the difference?
It was enough to make me curious, at least. Once I made a few trips, I came to the conclusion that dating is simply more enjoyable in the FSU than the US so I'll likely never go back to dating AW.
Understatement of the century. If, and that is a gigantic if, an AW is anywhere near the hotness level which I seek, you hear 100 different reasons why she cannot go out with you until the 12th of never. Russian Ukrainian women are more slender, more fashionable by 10,000 times, hotter and say why not? Let's do it!! It's just that easy. It's a world economy, and soon that will include more and more men saying enough is enough. Boring "feminist" American women who think they can wait until they are 40 years old and "fulfilled" before getting married are on the way out. They will be dinasours!!
yadda yadda.....
Once in the new environs, FSUW will adapt quite well... Dont even expect her to remain the same as she was in FSU. The accent might stick around for a bit but that's about it. Don't expect more.
Whoever said that I intend to bring a woman to the West? I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights. So yadda yadda to that....
Men are expected to support and provide for their families and you won't be able to do this very well if you lived with a lady in Russia. It would be best of she moved to the US to be with you. You at least know this culture and how to take care of things, which she would be more comfortable with.
Whoever said that I intend to bring a woman to the West? I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights. So yadda yadda to that....
I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights. So yadda yadda to that....
I think the more accurate statement would be: "I intend to live in Russia or other country where women have less rights and men rule!!!!"
Don't be so flippant about a cultural truth.
I lived in Colombia for a couple years. I was just in EE and Ukraine for 2 months. My first weekend back to the good old USA, I went to a restaurant with my family, and approached the hostess / bartender / waitress with a drink order. I got the look and response! The USA is NOT neutral and balanced in this regard! IT IS TRUE HERE - it is not make believe.
Living in EE; Colombia and elsewhere, the value of being a man is much higher. IT IS TRUE THERE - it is not make believe.
Whoever said that I intend to bring a woman to the West? I intend to live in Russia or other country where men still are respected and have rights. So yadda yadda to that....
I'm not being so flippant as you so lightly put it. The fact is that women have less rights in FSU countries as well as South America. That is a fact! Just ask all the single mothers that can't get any support from the deadbeat dad's. Especially in FSU!
Don't be so flippant about a cultural truth.
I lived in Colombia for a couple years. I was just in EE and Ukraine for 2 months. My first weekend back to the good old USA, I went to a restaurant with my family, and approached the hostess / bartender / waitress with a drink order. I got the look and response! The USA is NOT neutral and balanced in this regard! IT IS TRUE HERE - it is not make believe.
Living in EE; Colombia and elsewhere, the value of being a man is much higher. IT IS TRUE THERE - it is not make believe.
Bull kaka. You "value" as a man isn't any greater in EE, Columbia or anywhere else over the USA. The difference it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet. Likely you are confusing your value as a man with your value as a customer
I have had this discussion / debate many, many times. I have never lost to an open minded man ... and am very accurate with my words. Unlike you ... "it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet"
So you are telling me that the social values of gender the same in the USA, Colombia, EE, Ukraine, or Russia? Hmmm. Give me something concrete without name calling and I will respond, so we can see where this goes. Otherwise, your silence is appreciated.
The value of a "man" has nothing to do with the country he is in if indeed, he truly is a man. Being a man requires much more than having a penis and a wallet. Don't confuse your idea of self worth as a man with that of your wallet. Your value as a man should be the same, no matter what country you find yourself in. I am sure you have difficulty with the concept. I would expect nothing less from you
Hey has anyone noticed the lesbian worship that is happening in the USA ?
Ahh! I will overlook your penis wallet comments, and pretend you have a serious point.
You do not think the value of a man is different in the USA to Colombia, for example?!?!? I think you are severely mistaken. Maybe in the eyes of God. But, as a practical matter, a man has a MUCH different social value in Colombia than the USA.
1, Security / Protection - this is the biggest factor. While human beings have evolved for 10,000, it has been primarily the male gender that has protected the women and children. In Colombia, that is still very much the case. When your woman grabs your hand in Colombia, often times she feels more safe. This NEVER happens in the USA. This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in the USA. It makes the man less responsible - less a man.
Do you think this is unjust, a fabrication. I can assure you it is not! When a woman, or man, or couple experience ANYTHING in the USA, one or both are capable of dialing 911 - and the gender based system runs to the rescue. This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in Colombia. It makes the man more responsible - more a man.
2, Food / Shelter / Resources - this is the second biggest factor. In the USA, a woman does not need a man for physical needs In fact, current studies show men are less and less capable compared to women. Look at college enrollment, for example. If women do not need men, they often choose not to have them - and wear flat shoes, and become fat. But, the fact that men increasingly are not the sole or capable breadwinners / and that women do not need a man has a deep affect on the valuation of men too.
Then, there is the hypersensitivity feminist ... it is not OK for anybody to be sexy - except lesbians (Hey has anyone notice the lesbian worship that is happening in the USA ?)
== anyway, I would be curious if FP, or others would suggest these two points are flawed?
Ahh! I will overlook your penis wallet comments, and pretend you have a serious point.
You do not think the value of a man is different in the USA to Colombia, for example?!?!? I think you are severely mistaken. Maybe in the eyes of God. But, as a practical matter, a man has a MUCH different social value in Colombia than the USA.
1, Security / Protection - this is the biggest factor. While human beings have evolved for 10,000, it has been primarily the male gender that has protected the women and children. In Colombia, that is still very much the case. When your woman grabs your hand in Colombia, often times she feels more safe. This NEVER happens in the USA. This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in the USA. It makes the man less responsible - less a man.
Do you think this is unjust, a fabrication. I can assure you it is not! When a woman, or man, or couple experience ANYTHING in the USA, one or both are capable of dialing 911 - and the gender based system runs to the rescue. This has a universal and absolute affect on the genders in Colombia.QuoteIt makes the man more responsible - more a man.
2, Food / Shelter / Resources - this is the second biggest factor. In the USA, a woman does not need a man for physical needs In fact, current studies show men are less and less capable compared to women. Look at college enrollment, for example. If women do not need men, they often choose not to have them - and wear flat shoes, and become fat. But, the fact that men increasingly are not the sole or capable breadwinners / and that women do not need a man has a deep affect on the valuation of men too.
Then, there is the hypersensitivity feminist ... it is not OK for anybody to be sexy - except lesbians (Hey has anyone notice the lesbian worship that is happening in the USA ?)
== anyway, I would be curious if FP, or others would suggest these two points are flawed?
I am nut talking about SELF worth.
erik, the more you post the more you reveal. One doesn't get respected because they have a penis. There are a lot of penises in the world. If you want respect as a man, you have to be a man and earn it. It would appear you aren't receiving your idea of respect in your current environment and you are laying the blame for that on Western women. You are coming off as a serious misogynist. You are either damaged goods or you have a hellva lot to learn FWIW
Sorry Erik, but I have to ask since I don't know your background:
Are you fluent in Russian? Have you lived there before or know somebody who lives there? Can you get a job there or perhaps you're independently wealthy?
Living in the FSU is much different than visiting a week or two. I've read about people who have moved there and nobody describes it as easy.
Men are expected to support and provide for their families and you won't be able to do this very well if you lived with a lady in Russia. It would be best of she moved to the US to be with you. You at least know this culture and how to take care of things, which she would be more comfortable with.
Strange, I can't recall you ever indicating that your intent was to move to FSU. Just doesn't add up.. why in the world talk about socials, agencies and such when the best way to find a woman that does not intend to emigrate is to do so while living there. Sort of putting the cart before the horse or?
Oh, guess I forgot your brothel book research... yes, such could well be less expensive there but doubt a publishing house will give much of a book advance for this kind of research. Might also be incompatible with the women you would date there.
I dunno... the whole secret book thing, now going to live in FSU.. sounds like vaporware to me, but surely we'll get another answer that somehow explains all these contradictions, raising even more questions than those answered..
I am nut talking about SELF worth. I am talking about the social value of a man, or woman.
The opposite is true (I wonder how you will personalize this statement). In the USA, few things are valued more than youth and beauty. Do I really need to prove this?!? So, take a 30 year old, very beautiful women from Colombia / Russia, and place her in Anywhere USA, it is likely she will feel a much higher social value. (notice not self value) Do you see this, or are you blind to this example too?
When did I ever once talk about a social?? Never been to one, will never go!! Agencies? Probably will not need to use one. If I get a certificate to teach English to foreign students, I can live and work in Russia or Ukraine and meet women while there. Capiche?? On top of that, I already have a pension which is an aditional source of income. It's enough that I could live in either place for 3 months at ease.
The book?/ You're probably right, it will probably never happen. I did not like the response, I feel it is a losing battle. More importantly I am working on a totally different business plan which I have had for many many years.
Can't recall plans to teach English either. There have been a couple of discussions about doing that, IIRC pretty tough to eek out a living. I do know it can be pretty expensive for anything near a western lifestyle. How's your Russian? Ukrainian? Spanish?.. ahh that was already asked upthread by another poster.
oh well....
Rivardco raises an interesting point. Regarding how women treat men in American and FSU, I have noticed a difference. I am not talking about women one encounters in business and commerce and government service, but women in a dating environment.
The population of RW seems bifurcated into those who are cleverly seductive and those who simply ignore you.
With regard to AW, some can be just as "charming" (i. e., seductive) as any RW. And many ignore you as with RW. Unlike RW, not a small number of AW seem to have a chip on their shoulder. Even though I have never met them before, some AW will act as if I were the man who gave them a bad time on their last date. Some may even accuse you of misogyny based on a mundane comment. Why so rude? Why am I the enemy? Is this the result of psychotherapy, self-help books, etc. Why not just say "Get Lost!" Why the putdown.
As a result of living much of my time outside the USA for the past several years, there are two issues that when raised, my comments - in the USA - come off as extreme and out of proportion:
1, Obesity in America (it is breathtakingly amazing! It is obvious that we are poisoning ourselves here, and most do not even notice)
2, The Male gender is depicted as "boobs" in TV commercials / print advertising.
As for the male gender being depicted as "boobs" well in many cases "if the shoe fits".
:clapping:
Been laughing reading all this silly comments about men having bigger value in FSU. Made me realize that this forum is the best sarcastic comedy I have read in long time. Keep writing, just dont forget to take with you your thick wallets when vising FSU.
Been laughing reading all this silly comments about men having bigger value in FSU. Made me realize that this forum is the best sarcastic comedy I have read in long time. Keep writing, just dont forget to take with you your thick wallets when vising FSU.
It is hard (Impossible) to NOT agree with these objective observations. Here is a nice example, of which there are millions. Man is a boob. Woman in control. Girls Night Out. Do you think this would run in the USA 10 - 20 years ago? If this were ONLY ONE example, it would be humorous ... but it is systemic of how current society in the USA is imaging the male gender. OF COURSE, this does not apply to everyone, individually. Just like it is not true that ALL people are fat. But, it is a clear and obvious generality
http://youtu.be/pMP4PF3DNg8
Here is a nice example, of which there are millions. Man is a boob. Woman in control. Girls Night Out.
CupCake? Is what it is? Do you feel you've been wronged because the US has moved toward (still debatable) a gender equal society?
Ms A - PLEASE. Look at the little video again and tell me that is all you see?!?!?!
When you make posts like this that are so one dimensional and obtuse, it subtracts from whatever other credibility your other posts contain.
Is that REALLY all you see? (yes, this is a test)
What do you see so scary in that video? Why you so petrified of women in control?
You have an affinity to personalize anything I post. Cup Cake ...
You like to be super supportive of the whole MOB thing, for anybody wishing to dive in (or so it seems). Kumbaya Kumbaya. I, on the other hand, am interested in designing a life that does not necessarily build upon the definitions at hand. Therefore, I AM interested in facts, observations and general impressions of others. You are not. ( Do us a favor an put me on ignore )
Does it bother me about the relative social value of men declining in the West? Not really. But, it is hard not to notice, and I would prefer not to participate. I guess that is one of the many reasons I don't live here full time anymore.
It is similar to obesity. I weight 10 pounds more than I did in college. I went to my 30 THIRTIETH High School reunion last weekend. Mr. Basketball was about 125 pounds overweight. Mr. Football was about 75 pounds overweight (although he is short) The captain of the cheer leading team was probably coming in at 190 pounds too. Does that bother me, personally? NO. But, it is hard not to notice an epidemic ... and I would prefer not to participate.
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You can state it several ways:
- Men have a higher social value in more traditional societies (places where masculine characteristics still add to life - physical security and "bringing home the bacon")
- Men have a lower social value in societies that have become "gender neutral". (physical security is institutionalized. Women and feminine traits are tending to trump masculine traits in higher education and the modern work place)
- Women (probably best to say attractive women) have a lower social value in places like Colombia / FSU because (a) diet, exercise, willingness to dress sexy ... make beauty less rare (b) less in control of business, justice, police - the institutions of power
- Women have a higher social value in the USA, UK, Norway (a) fat, less willing/motivated to dress attractively b) very equal in the workplace and leadership)
It is hard (Impossible) to NOT agree with these objective observations. Here is a nice example, of which there are millions. Man is a boob. Woman in control. Girls Night Out. Do you think this would run in the USA 10 - 20 years ago? If this were ONLY ONE example, it would be humorous ... but it is systemic of how current society in the USA is imaging the male gender. OF COURSE, this does not apply to everyone, individually. Just like it is not true that ALL people are fat. But, it is a clear and obvious generalityhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrSZUFCHk4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrSZUFCHk4)
Stop it. I have noted rather obvious facts. I am NOT making a mountain out of a mole hill. At one point, you say these points do NOT exist. Then, you suggest IF they do exist then the fault is MINE because I find them "harmful" or "scary". NO. NO NO Let's take one point at a time.
Wow
this thead is a trip.
So we must all be ranked by our attractiveness , our weight, and our gender.
Otherwise, punt and move to a place where they will believe this bullshit.
wow
Wow this thead is a trip. So we must all be ranked by our attractiveness , our weight, and our gender.
Otherwise, punt and move to a place where they will believe this bullshit. wow
Only for the superficial and vain among us
Point is everything I said about the culture and environment is DEAD ON. The basic points I posted up thread are 100% facutal - not my creation! And, they most likely will have some bearing on a relationship that most of you have had, or will have, or want to have. To think anything else is foolish.
Said the fool
I have a CRAZY idea! Instead of calling me a fool (or many variations thereof), or cozying up to GrandpaBob (your willingness to accept and promote, I simply do not understand), or simply saying everything is possible for everybody - "just keep your eyes closed" ... why don't you express yourself factually. Are the following observations not accurate, and do they not come into play in international dating / marriage?
( I am seriously wondering if you are capable of a substantive answer on the concept, without referencing me in any way, shape of form )
Factually, do you agree or disagree with any part of the below?
You can state it several ways:
- Men have a higher social value in more traditional societies (places where masculine characteristics still add to life - physical security and "bringing home the bacon")
- Men have a lower social value in societies that have become "gender neutral". (physical security is institutionalized. Women and feminine traits are tending to trump masculine traits in higher education and the modern work place)
- Women (probably best to say attractive women) have a lower social value in places like Colombia / FSU because (a) diet, exercise, willingness to dress sexy ... make beauty less rare (b) less in control of business, justice, police - the institutions of power
- Women have a higher social value in the USA, UK, Norway (a) fat, less willing/motivated to dress attractively b) very equal in the workplace and leadership)
riv, you can dress it up anyway you like, polish, spin, make up excuses with society until the cows come home but, it doesn't cover up the core of your problem. The only reason you can't date the 20-30 hard body beautiful AW is because, they don't want to date you. If they did, they would (without paying them, that is (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/grin.gif)). Is that not "factual"?
Actually Rivarco, IMO women and men have traditionally had their own place in society. To say one is higher than another seems to be where we part ways.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/)
The End of MenEarlier this year, women became the majority of the workforce for the first time in U.S. history. Most managers are now women too. And for every two men who get a college degree this year, three women will do the same. For years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? A report on the unprecedented role reversal now under way— and its vast cultural consequences
BTW, you ARE Grand Pa riv
riv, you can dress it up anyway you like, polish, spin, make up excuses with society until the cows come home but, it doesn't cover up the core of your problem. The only reason you can't date the 20-30 hard body beautiful AW is because, they don't want to date you. If they did, they would (without paying them, that is ;D). Is that not "factual"?
your fixation on me has reached the level of "spooky". So, I am a Grand father? You must know something that I do not ...
You are old enough to be. Don't be confusing my need to call out bullshit when I see it as a fixation on you. Just more of your vanity ;D
Riv, maybe you can explain more about what you perceive as social value. I don't think I am understanding your meaning.
For example, more women becoming managers may have something to do with more women going to college now.
It almost reads like you would rather women be more dependent on men like they are in several 3rd world countries. I also don't understand why you are trying to pass off your perceptions of reality as fact based.
3rd world countries have higher birth rates, probably because of more clearly defined male and female roles. Are you, like "elite" "feminists", critisizing women in the USA who willingly choose to stay home and be traditional mothers and wives?? Germany and Russia have declining birthrates. These countries will not be able to pay for pensions and benefits of future retired generations, if they continue to have declining birthrates. In the case of Russia it could become extremely dangerous as they have 1 Billion hungry Chinese people at their South East border.
This is not to suggest that a woman cannot be fulfilled and work at a career of her choice after raising the children to a certain age where they can go out on their own. There is something very positive to say about traditional roles, and you should not discount those roles without acknowledging the benefits--both to the immediate family, and to society as a whole.
Germany and Russia have declining birthrates.
That won't be likely.
If it's one thing I've learned is that finding a wife, particularly a foreign one, is that it's a huge commitment that can't be done half-assed. A trip to the FSU from America requires significant planning and the use of a limited amount of vacation time. An AM who is dating at home will never end up on the plane to the FSU because he'll always be wondering how is current dating prospect will turn out and end up putting the trip on hold repeatedly. In which case, it isn't fair to the FSUW he would be corresponding with and it would be better that he not even start the endeavor.
Yes, it's more expensive and time consuming, but if the venue is much more enjoyable, then the value is priceless.
Men who feel threatened by women will place a different value on women than men who are not threatened by women.
Men who do not have daughters might have problems to understand women's importance in society and their freedom for their own pursuit of happiness.
This doesn't mean women want to replace or undervalue men either.
Let us as men make ourselves worthy of high values and truly respect and value our women for who they are as individuals and not stereotypes.
Men who feel threatened by women will place a different value on women than men who are not threatened by women.
Men who do not have daughters might have problems to understand women's importance in society and their freedom for their own pursuit of happiness.
This doesn't mean women want to replace or undervalue men either.
Let us as men make ourselves worthy of high values and truly respect and value our women for who they are as individuals and not stereotypes.
Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women??
:ROFL:
Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.
Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,
We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so. So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now. Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.
The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be. Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career. It's called liberty.
3rd world countries have higher birth rates, probably because of more clearly defined male and female roles. Are you, like "elite" "feminists", critisizing women in the USA who willingly choose to stay home and be traditional mothers and wives?? Germany and Russia have declining birthrates. These countries will not be able to pay for pensions and benefits of future retired generations, if they continue to have declining birthrates. In the case of Russia it could become extremely dangerous as they have 1 Billion hungry Chinese people at their South East border.
This is not to suggest that a woman cannot be fulfilled and work at a career of her choice after raising the children to a certain age where they can go out on their own. There is something very positive to say about traditional roles, and you should not discount those roles without acknowledging the benefits--both to the immediate family, and to society as a whole.
Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women??
:ROFL:
And, one point on the courageous one ... this assumption that if you live in Colombia, then magically any gringo can date any woman is 100% false. I have noted numerous times that if you want to attract non-compromised women, educated, and from good families, most Americanos must up their game BIG TIME.
Puertorriqueño since 1954.
Aguadilla 68-71
Shit, I went to the base in Aguadilla in 70, 71, and 72 to play basketball and volleyball for my school. Great place. I believe one of the few golf courses at that time in PR was there.
We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.
Yeah, the golf course was right off the end of the runway. To get to the base we had to cross the runway.. there was a stoplight when the B52's were landing. When they took off school sort of stopped since they made so much noise.
Lots of good memories there, loved the seafood, mostly red snapper and turtle soup.. and the blowholes and phosphorescent bay. Wonderful time swimming and observing all kinds of sea critters. I used to spend a good amount of time climbing the huge mango tree across the street (my parents insisted we lived off base - a practice I fully agree with). We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.
Wonderful experience I will never forget.
Is indeed a small world....
Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women??
:ROFL:
Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.
Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,
We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so. So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now. Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.
The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be. Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career. It's called liberty.
Let's say that I'm taking a wild guess here since I've never been to Latin America but, IF you are in the porn industry, regardless of what capacity you are in, you will NOT attract any of the ladies mentioned above.
Again, just a wild guess.
It is a homogeneous group here - like a church / support group. First, you presume that my associations to the porn industry paint my life, as if one would spot me, or have diner with me ... and say "hey, you are in the porn industry". Ludicrous! What kind of skill set must a person possess to negotiate with banks to accept high risk paper / processing? Not what you are guessing - I GUESS
And, it may be very interesting to you narrow-minded fellas, that even "good girls" - when they see that I can win the approval of difficult parents and brothers quite often are TURNED ON - NOT OFF - by my professional associations.
But, I imagine that is a world that none of you good people know anything about. The idea of being "good in bed" is something you guys probably need to "psych your self up for" LOL I mean, based upon your comments and observations, it is a little world that you live in . I find that many women want to be with a man that does not have to guess, and has some rather exceptional experiences.
Haha, its getting more ridiculous every timeHe is trying so hard to isn't he? :ROFL:
Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time
There are several other discussion boards that are VERY active with LARGE memberships that I keep an eye on. SOME of the members here, are also members on those boards. (but they are smart enough to keep their mouths shut HAHAHA)
One board is for guys that want to LIVE abroad, primarily. (not overly concerned about women)
One board is for guys that want to PLAY abroad, primarily. (definitely overly concerned about women)
One board is for guys that want to PICK UP women specifically WITHOUT paying (romance only, probably not marriage).
And, this board ...
I have had this discussion / debate many, many times. I have never lost to an open minded man ... and am very accurate with my words. Unlike you ... "it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet"
So you are telling me that the social values of gender the same in the USA, Colombia, EE, Ukraine, or Russia? Hmmm. Give me something concrete without name calling and I will respond, so we can see where this goes. Otherwise, your silence is appreciated.
Ms A "Curious ... why you keeping an eye on all those boards? What that says about you? And is your interest in them personal or job related"
EXACTLY - thank you for demonstrating my point.
I think you should be the High Preistest here on RWD
It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate. In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women. It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.
Fathertime!
It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate. In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women. It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.
FT,
You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.
- Dan
It is a homogeneous group here - like a church / support group. First, you presume that my associations to the porn industry paint my life, as if one would spot me, or have diner with me ... and say "hey, you are in the porn industry". Ludicrous! What kind of skill set must a person possess to negotiate with banks to accept high risk paper / processing? Not what you are guessing - I GUESS
And, it may be very interesting to you narrow-minded fellas, that even "good girls" - when they see that I can win the approval of difficult parents and brothers quite often are TURNED ON - NOT OFF - by my professional associations.
But, I imagine that is a world that none of you good people know anything about. The idea of being "good in bed" is something you guys probably need to "psych your self up for" LOL I mean, based upon your comments and observations, it is a little world that you live in . I find that many women want to be with a man that does not have to guess, and has some rather exceptional experiences.
So, let me get this right. You go to some porno seminars and then to Colombia (or vise versa, it don't matter), shack up with a few latinas and that gives you all the answers to life and love? AND in Latin America?
LOL - THANK YOU TOO for demonstrating my point!
So, let ME get this right! You receive some fragments of my life, read posts, assumptions, and name calling from people who have never met me, nor know me ... and that, qualifies you to even begin to sum up my life ?!?!? But, nevertheless you do with the above quote?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?
LOL - THANK YOU TOO for demonstrating my point!
So, let ME get this right! You receive some fragments of my life, read posts, assumptions, and name calling from people who have never met me, nor know me ... and that, qualifies you to even begin to sum up my life ?!?!? But, nevertheless you do with the above quote?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?
Attention? A Mild diversion.
The truth is I am curious to see if one, or all of you is going to say "Ah, I was just kidding." Or, maybe you guys are some strange version of the "Pro-Marriage Jerry Falwell Society."
Mush; Ms. A; G; LivefromUkraine
That's about it.
FT,1. I communicated with Rivardco off the forum and he mentioned this site and that he was having trouble with with some people. I was curious and decided to take a look, and now I'm interested in participating. These boards are populated by individuals, some of which have stories that interest me, regardless of what the country they are searching in.
You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.
- Dan
Actually, I have grown fond of FT in a weird kind of way.
But, again he assumes that I know women like History 101. And, to some extent that is true. I have not been interested in developing real, deep, relationships until recently. But, the relationships I have had have been sufficiently deep for comparison and conversation - especially when we consider the group here.
i noticed that, too.
it's like fathertime is rivardco's own personal paparazzi.
Well Rivardo, Something has always told me that you weren't being truthful about your interest or lack of interest in the ladies. Based on what I've read of yours, it seems to me that you HAVE BEEN interested in having a relation/marriage with a lady but haven't been able to muster the necessary characteristics within yourself to pull it off. Since you realize this, you go on an 'anti marriage' rampage, in order to make yourself feel like you are doing what you want. In my opinion, you should be working on the aspects of yourself that have been holding you back in regards to women and what it takes to commit and be happily married with one.
Fathertime!
Sounds like pretty solid critique. (I hate the term advice). In a way it seems you care and that's good. Maybe a bit of BTDT (been there done that) kinda thing? Not suggesting the same road, but instead general moral compass direction.
Correct sir! I relate to Rivardco (sometimes). I have overcome my own shortcomings, in part because I've been honest with myself and others. It just seems to me that that is not the case with Rivardo, and he is only hurting himself by refusing to confront/overcome his own shortcomings. I also enjoy giving him a VERY hard time, because I think he needs it!
Fathertime!
All his posting has turned me into a Rivardco fan! I find his story to be an interesting novel, the main problem with it though that he can't put a wrap on chapter 1 and move on to chapter 2, that is the part I'd be even more interested in hearing about!
Fathertime!
i have noticed a handful of posters on this forum hurl insults and call rivardco names repetitively (pimp, pornographer,...). they seem more interested in shouting him down or running him off this website than in debating him. that i don't agree with.
since he has invited you, then i guess that means you're not a stalker. that's cool. my bad!
i enjoy his posts, too, which i find entertaining and interesting --- never boring.
i am in full agreement with the idea that what he (or anyone) posts is fair game for vigorous debate.
i have noticed a handful of posters on this forum hurl insults and call rivardco names repetitively (pimp, pornographer,...). they seem more interested in shouting him down or running him off this website than in debating him. that i don't agree with.
Well my answer (new and improved....a little on the sarcastic side) is......
I found my soul mate in Siberia and we are engaged to get married this fall, and as such I am not dating any American Women or any other woman because I found the one who I want to spend my entire life with.
There is an old saying "You get what you pay for."
That is a $3,000 blind date vs. $50 with a local woman.
Okay, let's follow the OP.
Why don't I date an American woman?
Because I'm married at the moment. ;)
FT,
You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.
- Dan
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Dan, that same thing happens right here within this forum.
Watch and you will see the 'Saints' following some others from thread to thread and attacking.
There is an old saying "You get what you pay for."
Now, certain members can't post in the same threads as Riv otherwise they will be called stalkers?
Some of these people see what they want to see regardless of reality. ;)
Some of these people see what they want to see regardless of reality. ;)
Congratulations!
Presuming you met your wife on the Internet, what compelled you to go to those webpages when it would be far easier to meet someone from your hometown. You had to obtain a Russian tourist visa, you had to buy an expensive air ticket, you had to rent an apartment, you had to use your vacation time, etc. That is a $3,000 blind date vs. $50 with a local woman.
I am from Siberia. The reason there are many Hondas, Hyundais and Totyotas there is they are imported from Japan. Cheaper then cars imported from Europe.
Again I am from Siberia and find there are exactly as many status conscious people as there are in Saint Petersburg where I lived for 13 years.
Mark Zuckenberg is so rich it does not matter what he drives. Is that your only example of someone who choose a cheaper car over expensive one?
I have never heard this question from a RW but I have heard it from many AW.Exactly what happened to me. We got married, she had a couple of miscarriages, and felt guilty about it I guess as she knew I wanted a family.
My answer is always "I did, in fact I even married one."
I'm not surprised that he would be like that. I think that Bill Gates was like that too. It seems that many of these nerdy guys who start their own IT businesses seem not to buy into flashy things. Many times, they're doing what they do NOT for the money but just to be able to do it.
I think that it depends on the person, and what they value to be important. For someone like Mark Zuckerberg, the value of his work is probably more important than how much money that he makes or whether or not he has nice stuff.
How do you spell hypocrite in Russian?человек [everybody] but literally лицемер.
человек [everybody] but literally лицемер.