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Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Dave_home on February 05, 2005, 06:38:03 AM
I have heard guys talking about how RW are so much more open with sex....  they say that sex is no big deal to RW.  I have heard many reports of RW wanting, and or needing sex so much that even if they don't have a boyfriend, or husband,  they will choose some guy they know as a friend but have no feelings for to have sex with on a regular basis, because they believe regular sex is normal and should be done quite often for health reasons.  For them a boyfriend, or husband would be nice, but if they don't have one,  it is important for them to have sex with some guy for fun and for good health, and so they just choose some guy they know who is willing to screw them so many times a week, it can be a family friend, or business associate, or a married man ..  it doesn't matter as long as they  have sex with someone. As soon as they meet a man they care for the previous regular sex usually stops, but not always, cause they don't look at it romantically, just a function that is enjoyable,healthy and necessary like eating, or sleeping.    What percentage of RW are this way? who knows?  but my guess is it is much smaller than guys want you to believe... it is the old adage: bad news travels fast, and makes headlines, but good news never does.

 In Russia/Ukraine supposedly these RW do NOT consider this regular sex with a guy they don't have feelings for makes them "easy girls" , they think it just makes them normal and healthy. How this bodes for a RM who wants to take them for a wife I don't know,  but most AM I know think: " Why would I want to marry a woman who is a slut?"  I personally believe there are more RW with higher standards than those just discussed.  I found one, my fiance'  considers sex a natural and healthy thing , but only with a man she loves,  if she had no boyfriend, or husband,  she did not have sex, it is a big deal to her. I'm glad, what a coincidence I believe the same way. :-)   Dave  
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: BC on February 05, 2005, 06:58:14 AM
lemme think...

Close living conditions.. small noisy apartments.. little or no privacy at all.. DIY might be a little difficult to arrange and in the past frowned upon..

The healthy part I heard first hand.

just thoughts..

Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Dave_home on February 05, 2005, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: BC
Well sex can be accomplished about anywhere.... at work with the boss after hours.... Oh, that could be another thread as well:  "Sex with the boss" :-)  Families also go to other family member's houses for visits,(they visit each other's homes more frequently than families in America do.)  sex can be arranged in the home of her parents when they are out. Necessity is the mother of invention as they say, and these girls do think sex is a necessity.
Yes, even  doctors advise young girls to have regular sex!  My fiance' had some female problems a few months ago and went to the doctor....  he gave her some medicine and suggested she and her boyfriend have more sex as preventative medicine! :-)   She laughed and told him  her fiance' is in America and she will have to wait.  For whatever the reason Russian doctors also believe frequent sex is a good preventative for female disorders,  I've never heard American doctors suggest this so I'm not sure if this is just opinion, or medical fact.  Dave
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: BC on February 05, 2005, 09:31:38 AM
I agreed instantly with the doctors orders.. Yes they do seem to value natural medicine. The doc won't recommend generic solutions though as many of their patients often have alergic reactions to anything but the real thing.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Bruno on February 05, 2005, 10:01:28 AM
Rw and sex !!!

Again the problem that we try to make a model... a RW is not a other...

I have ask to Galina what she think and her reply from today is :

" We adult people and we love each other so why we should avoid such inevitable theme as physical love? I not against it, but me am simply hard to tell about the feelings and imaginations. I do not know why? Can because I do not have in it  a lot of experience, and can because I think, that it is better about it eyes and lips, than words will tell. Certainly for me as for the woman important that feelings which arise at the man to me first of all were romantic also the purest. But I know as you to me concern and that your ideas are pure... Yes, men and women little bit different, men are interested more with a physical level of attitudes, and women - romantic... But is only right at the beginning, I so believe, and then we require physical affinity not less, than you men and to us even flatters, that us want. And if the man long does not show the desire then there are ideas, that or something not that with the man or I do not like it as the woman and attitudes will not go further Platonic... I very much liked your letter, I read it with pleasure and ideas there was in the same place, as you - in our future when we can present each other romantic pleasure and gentle trembling in a body from a touch... "

And now the reply of a other RW woman :

"I do not have problems in sex in dialogue ... and certainly sometimes many men :))) ... Tell to you - you such good and remarkable and you have no now other lady, except for your Ukrainian (well and the optimist you!!)??? Believe me - I do not offer myself-haha!!! I have really learned the price and the world and to men is very pity and boring price... Female egoism very terrible thing is more terrible than man's egoism. Sometimes I have no sex for 3 months - then I leave on road and I force the first the man which I meet-!!! ... And it is normal. Because the flame which burns brightly - burns down faster, and the flame which burns a little - burns long. :))"

Two RW, two meaning about sex... you have enough RW to find what is the best for you about sex... i think that the real question for newbies is to know what they wish herself about sex  and speak openly with the ladies... this allow to make the personal selection...

Russian women are like everyone else in this regard. Some have extremely strong sex drives, and others are not really interested. The main difference between Russian women and their western sisters is that they don't seem to have moral hang-ups. They are more open-minded about their sexuality and what is okay to do sexually. ...

Some of the women in Russia still believe in customs and think it is very important to have sex only with a single partner in the life (with husband). Others value these traditions as part of the culture, but they are inclined to have more free and open-minded relationships.

With the advent of Perestroika, Russia went almost immediately from a closed society to an open society. This was a time of experimentation as Russians tested their new freedoms, and without an anchor of stability to rely on, some people's actions became, shall we say, ribald. The intervening years have seen a decrease in the wild times of the early nineties, but in general Russians have a more European attitude toward nudity and sexuality than Americans. As with any issue as highly personal as human sexuality, every individual has different attitudes and morals. While it is still easy to find party girls at the clubs and bars, the majority of Russian ladies are honorable women.

Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Albert on February 05, 2005, 10:54:11 AM
WOW, this Bruno guy is very sharp.  I find it hard to improve on his comments, but I feel that I must say something about this, my favorite topic.

First, I want to mention something that is quite controversial, but that I think is important if new persons are going to gain relevant info about RW/UW from the words of others.  And that is . . . .  what actual experience does the writer have??  When guys give a number, then others immediately jump on him for bragging.  But without some sort of number, how can the value of the statements be measured.  Since I am strong and don't give a sheet, I will tell some numbers.

I have had first dates with over 150 women in FSU.  I have visited several cities in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Russia, Belaurus, and Ukraine.  I go for business first, and meet with ladies on all trips because I like women.  I am not looking for a wife, but I am not adverse to getting married.  I follow Dan's rule to 'treat international dating same as local dating.'   To me that means enjoying dates and the marriage thoughts will come later.  Of the 150 women, I have been intimate with 37 of them . . .  yes, I do keep track of this.  And my women were aged 35-51.

I also date many women in USA and other countries that I visit.

In general, I have experienced that FSU women will have sex much more quickly than AW.  Often on first or second date and almost 100 percent by third date.

Now as to orginal question, I am not sure that these women seek out a guy they know to have regular sex with when they don't have a steady boyfriend.  Most of these women that I have had sex with have commented that they haven't had sex for several months.  Call me foolish, but I tend to believe them.  How can this be when they have sex with me by third date?  They tell me that it is simply too hard to find an acceptable partner from the pool available to them.  The guys they see are often drunk, unkempt, in poor physical shape, etc. and unable to obtain an erection.  Sure there are plenty of sharp guys around, but they are dicking the 18-28 year olds.

The story about doctors recommending regular and frequent sex is true.  The doctors say that the canal can develop several types of problems if not regularly used.  Several of the women mentioned this to me.  Many of them told me that they were embarrassed to tell the doctor that not only did they not have frequent sex, but they did not have any sex for several months or a year or more in some cases.  I have been so kind and to buy dildoes to give to some of my continuing girlfriends so that they could use them to keep the canal open.

The FSU women are very open about discussing sex and engaging in various forms and positions of sex.  Much more than the average AW.  I was quite amazed recently when I casually asked about different types of sex etc., to a woman who I had just had first sex with.  She proceeded to tell me in great detail about all what she wanted to do.  Even told me about things which she had never done before but wanted to try.  Some of it scared me!!

One othe amazing thing concerns the women's periods.  I often ask about when the period is coming next.  This is a good test to determine the gal's interest.  AW will invariably tell me it is none of my focking business.  But most FSU gals will spell it right out and engage in planning for our next date etc., with those dates in mind.  It is a sure tip off, of course,  that they are ready and willing.  A few have even gone further and told me that it would never be a worry for me anyway.  When I questioned them as to what they meant, they said:  "My period is my problem, it will not be your problem."  And, they were right.  Again this is much different than my typical experience with AW who insist they are not in the mood for any kind of sex during the periods.  I think this is all part of the general attitude of FSU women that it is their job to insure that their man is satisfied sexually at all times.  It seems to be a cultural thing that is passed down from grandmothers, to mothers to daughters, etc.

This is my experinece.  Your experiences may differ.  But I doubt that many here can honestly say that they have had as much experience as I have had with FSU women.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Stirlitz on February 05, 2005, 11:18:16 AM
[user=101]Dave_home[/user] wrote:
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For whatever the reason Russian doctors also believe frequent sex is a good preventative for female disorders,  I've never heard American doctors suggest this so I'm not sure if this is just opinion, or medical fact.  Dave
The reason is very simple, how can't you see it? Our doctors are absolutely correct.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: KenC on February 05, 2005, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: albert
 I think this is all part of the general attitude of FSU women that it is their job to insure that their man is satisfied sexually at all times.  It seems to be a cultural thing that is passed down from grandmothers, to mothers to daughters, etc.



 

This I have found to be very true.  RW take great pride in "taking care of their man" sexually.

KenC
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Bruno on February 05, 2005, 11:50:27 AM
From UK Doctor : sex lead to man headcaches... http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/headache_sex.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/headache_sex.shtml)

An other one : If you or your significant other is suffering from back or neck pain, you know that sex is one of the first activities to be put at the bottom of the list of things to do. http://www.spine-dr.com/site/sex/sex_article1.html (http://www.spine-dr.com/site/sex/sex_article1.html)

For the religious one : http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/masturbation.html (http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/masturbation.html)

And sex see from a AW... a lot of humor but real ... http://www.love-from-russia.be/forty_mistakes_that_man_make_in_bedroom.txt (http://www.love-from-russia.be/forty_mistakes_that_man_make_in_bedroom.txt)[/color][/b]

And who don't know the doctor Ruth from America, of the rapport Kinsey, of ...
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Dave_home on February 05, 2005, 01:09:24 PM
Quote from: Stirlitz
Oh YES!  can you imagine? I speaking to my fiance'.... " Yes darling, you MUST follow the doctors advice! "   I agree with the Russian doctors most certainly :-)    DAve
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Dave_home on February 05, 2005, 02:02:09 PM
Very Nice replies everyone! :-) I like varied reactions.

I've combined some statements to reply  to save space and time.

>>what actual experience does the writer have??  When guys give a number, then others immediately jump on him for bragging.  But without some sort of number, how can the value of the statements be measured.<<   ( my actual experience? hahaha well boring to some people, but my experience is with only " ONE" RW! :-) she's the only one I went to meet,  she turned out to be my perfect match so I stopped right at her.  We had been writing for a year and knew a lot about each other, that's why when I came to see her, we really did not date, but instead lived together like a husband and wife... my statements about my experience with her are uncontestable, but the rest of my post about other RW comes from guys living in Russia/Ukraine, and me just making guesses. I  don;'t pretend to know anything other than my actual experience with my RW fiance' )

 

>>I am not sure that these women seek out a guy they know to have regular sex with when they don't have a steady boyfriend.<<  (This I got from an AM living in Russia for the past 13 years... )

 

>>Sometimes I have no sex for 3 months - then I leave on road and I force the first the man which I meet-!!! ... And it is normal.<< ( Normal for you, but Not for my RW,  I don't know about you, but me and my fiance' are engaged and it means NO Sex with anyone else.  We have waited for one year now without sex, sure both our sex desires are strong, but not just anyone will do, we both believe sex only with the one you love is acceptable. We both choose to be in control of our bodies, not our bodies in control of us.  I go get her very soon. )

 

>>In general, I have experienced that FSU women will have sex much more quickly than AW.  Often on first or second date and almost 100 percent by third date.<<  ( I did not find this to be true with my RW... even though we lived together as husband and wife, she still would not have sex with me for several days! she announced to me when we first got in our flat: " Dave, There will be NO SEX!"  so we slept in the same bed for several days without sex and very little touching, holding hands after a couple days :-)   In contrast when I was dating AW , there was not one single woman that didn't readily have sex with me on the first date!  It was too easy... there was NO challenge... and I didn't know anything about those girls, but with my RW who I knew a lot about over the past year... she made it much more difficult getting sex, she tested me first, I was impressed! )

 

>>The FSU women are very open about discussing sex and engaging in various forms and positions of sex.  Much more than the average AW.<<  ( Also not true for my RW, we talked about sex, but she turned red a little and I asked if she felt a little shy about talking about sex, she said "yes" )

 

 

>>Russian women are like everyone else in this regard. Some have extremely strong sex drives, and others are not really interested. The main difference between Russian women and their western sisters is that they don't seem to have moral hang-ups. They are more open-minded about their sexuality and what is okay to do sexually. ...<<  ( my RW does have strong sex drive... but she has high morals,  so not sure about hang-ups? she is open-minded though.)

 

>>Some of the women in Russia still believe in customs and think it is very important to have sex only with a single partner in the life (with husband). Others value these traditions as part of the culture, but they are inclined to have more free and open-minded relationships.<<    ( hummmm not sure what this means? my fiance' believes in sex only in a serious, committed relationship with one man.... ie:  date one boyfriend for a couple years and sex "only with him" in that time, during time between boyfriends... No sex at all.  For some boyfriends , if she didn't have love feelings for him..... no sex with him. She explained it was how she was raised to be. .. I don't know if this makes her closed-minded? but this happens to be the same way I was raised, we liked this in each other.)
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Bruno on February 05, 2005, 03:44:02 PM
Hello Dave,

In your post, you say always "My russian woman"... and i can say that Galina, my ukrainian woman is a like your russian woman...

But for these forum, it is need to have the meaning of several people ( woman )... and i have write to some woman who have place a ads on my site for ask her meaning about sexuality...

My post is a mix of all these reply's... it is not my own meaning but these of several russian woman... and it is more near the reality...
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Dave_home on February 05, 2005, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: Bruno
I'm not sure what you mean these RW you quote is more near the reality?  is my Russian woman NOT the reality? does she not count? All the friends who my RW associates with are of the "SAME" character that she is..... I guess you'd say birds of a feather flock together..... so actually there are many many Russian women who are of the same "moral character" as my RW, I just used my fiance' as one I could personally vouch for.... my educated estimation is  the percentage of RW just like my fiance' is very large,  the "reality as you say" not the exception.   Oh,  I say my Russian woman because she and her family consider themselves Russian even though they all live in Kharkov, Ukraine.   Albert can personally post about 150 FSU ladies....it is more experience with a lot more ladies, but then it is pointless for me,  I can only marry one lady and I have found that lady,  so there is no need for me to experience any more, but Alyona assures me there are many more RW like her, so I can quote her as qualifying knowledge of this. It sure is interesting to learn of other different RW's perspectives,  I do know of another RW living in America in the state of CA.  She and I have talked on the phone, and I have some interesting stories from her as well.  Please tell your ladies I say thanks for their input on this, it is good to hear from them. :-)  Dave
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Bruno on February 05, 2005, 10:04:09 PM
Hello Dave,

Stastistic are a strong tool but how is use the tool can lead to different result...

Of course, friend of your RW go have almost the same reply that your RW... Why ? Because people choose friend who have something in common... around the same age, same meaning on some thema, same hobby, ...

The first RW i quote is Galina, my girlfriend... she is enough shy about the thema, she is more of 30 year old, believer, daughter from a orthodox cleric... i like what Galina write, but she is one side of the mirror...

The second RW are in reality more that one... Each (... ) is the reply from one other woman... i have write to woman who search to marry a foreign man ( only the reply of so woman can be interesting for the forum ), with a range age from 18 to 50 year old, believer of not, divorced of not, with children of not,....

I think that each woman is different... and about sex, you can find what you wish... from a extreme to the other... think to your own sexual evolution... your are certainly no more the same that when you was 18 year old... for myself, when i was young, i have know a lot of woman, between friend, it was like a competition... but now, i am more old... i like always sex but it is not my priority, i search to know the character of the woman and see if we can build a long term relationship...

I only try to break some myth... to show that in general, RW are like other woman in the world... you have all type of woman in FSU...

And for AW, it is the same... the sexuality of a "modern" woman from N-Y is not the same that the sexuality of a woman from a little village where everybody go to the church the Sunday...

And about the reply from the lead "RW having Sex just for Fun"... i reply yes for the majority... FSU country have a lot of young woman... they know now her sexual revolution... and some real problem with aids... in our western country, we have more old people ( papy boom ) and the general meaning will be "no"...
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Dave_home on February 06, 2005, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Bruno
> in our western country, we have more old people ( papy boom ) and the general meaning will be "no"... <   ( Ah, in America we have the "baby boom" generation too, but a percentage of these are just as "free thinking" regarding sex as the young girls, but as with FSU countries this attitude about sex is NOT held by the majority of women.)
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Marc Dayton on February 20, 2005, 12:07:33 PM
My First post in general to sex with Russian Woman.

 

For you that don't know me I have 10 years of experience working with Russian Woman 2 years living in Russia. Most of you will not like my approach, you won't like my spelling or wording, but you will get over it!

 

This is a General statement that going to make some of you very mad. It's not about anyone who has posted on this topic, but is about the other side of things. It is an attempt to protect a cretin type of Russian girl who pay's a moral price for having sex with a man that's only on a sex trip. I am talking only about the type of man that would say anything to get laid. You know the type of man that can't get laid to save his life here. So he picks on the desperate? Or the old then brag's about having sex with lot's of Russian Woman.

 

There are three types of Russian Woman as far as I can see that will have sex with you.

 

# 1 Those that will with great pleasure, and may just teach you a thing or two!

 

# 2 She is the girl that will sleep with you just to get here!!!

 

# 3 The girl who feels she must sleep with you to have a chance with you to stop girl # 2 from taken you from her. Or if she dose not sleep with you that you will just dump her, and many men over the years have told me well if she won't have sex with me I will never bring her back. This is the girl that I am going to talk about shortly.

 

The proper time for sex if there is a proper time for the Russian coulter would be after the match or the paper work is completed.  This in my mind is if you're serous about marriage and bringing a good RW home not a wild RW home to be your wife. I am only talking about the man who care's about an old fashion bride not the man that needs a girl with a bit of a wild side.

 

Last is the girl that won't no mater what you say or do. This is also a two edge razor blade, but in most cases she will have no problems taken care of her man when the time is Wright for her.

 

Back to girl # 3 This is about trying to protect her. From those of you who try to put the flag on your back to get her in your bed, and is only intended for you who think going to Russia is just fun and games. First let me say yes this is your choice, but my choice would be to shoot you on site. I don't like it but if it makes you feel like a big man because you can't get laid by the lame, and ugly  here girl # 3 you are hurting You are no more then raping her using the flag as a way to get a nice girl in your bed.  

 

10 years I have had 3 girls come crying to us that they are with child, and the flag bustard can't be found or told her its not my baby so see ya and thank you. I even found out that one of these men was married to an American Woman.

 

So forgive me for being a bit hard on he who thinks its just fun and games. Have fun with girl # 1 and even girl # 2 . But if you know girl # 3 is a sweet girl, back off don't rape her of her further don't make her think about how she will feed her child or if she should kill her child because she can't feed them. So don't take a life! use a rubber at least. Most important if your this kind of man don't let me meet you on a Russian street, and dam sheer don't come to my agency.

 

P.S. Men I am not bashing sex just have class make sheer that the girl can handle it. Also so for you who think I am a bit over board on this, just think about her mind and her life, and the choice she is left to face all alone.

 

Know I feel good just getting that off my chest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: KenC on February 20, 2005, 02:20:17 PM
WOW, Mark,

One hell of a first post!  The importance of your message certainly outweighs any spelling or grammar mistakes.

KenC
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Dave_home on February 20, 2005, 05:02:55 PM
Mark, 

  I so very much agree with you!  I wrote to my RW a year before I went to visit her, and I started writing to her because I had stopped dating any women at all because I didn't have that much time, because raising my 2 young kids by myself.  So my plan was just to pen-pal with someone interesting that lived so far away I wouldn't have to worry about meeting her!  Wow did that backfire?! She was just a friend to me and asked nothing of me only enjoyed our correspondence, but at about the 8th month of writing she asked me: "Dave , we could write for ages, but it won't settle anything between us... don't you even want to meet me?" I was touched and curious, I went to meet her and had no intentions of taking advantage of her, but hoped that she would be the same person I wrote to all those months... she was! and we got a flat together slept in same bed together, but when we first arrived in flat, she announced: " Dave, There will be NO SEX! " and for half my stay there wasn't but we really cared for each other and finally we did.  She was testing me because she met with a couple of other guys  previously who were millionaires and they bought her expensive gifts and expected sex.. she made them very angry by refusing them!  they cursed her and left shortly after being rejected, she tested me to see if I was on a sex vacation.... she saw I had no such intentions and true feelings grew between us, I even told her I loved her, but she was very honest with me, she said: " I'm sorry but if honest, I can't say that to you now, maybe later I can"

 I went home without asking for fiance' visa, but a few weeks later I planned a second trip and asked her to be my fiance' she accepted and on my second visit she knew I was the one for her.  She has her fiance' visa in hand now and I fly there in a few weeks to pickup her and her son to bring back to America with me. We are very excited to start our new lives together.   Dave

[user=170]Marc Dayton[/user] wrote:
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My First post in general to sex with Russian Woman.

 

For you that don't know me I have 10 years of experience working with Russian Woman 2 years living in Russia. Most of you will not like my approach, you won't like my spelling or wording, but you will get over it!

 

This is a General statement that going to make some of you very mad. It's not about anyone who has posted on this topic, but is about the other side of things. It is an attempt to protect a cretin type of Russian girl who pay's a moral price for having sex with a man that's only on a sex trip. I am talking only about the type of man that would say anything to get laid. You know the type of man that can't get laid to save his life here. So he picks on the desperate? Or the old then brag's about having sex with lot's of Russian Woman.

 

There are three types of Russian Woman as far as I can see that will have sex with you.

 

# 1 Those that will with great pleasure, and may just teach you a thing or two!

 

# 2 She is the girl that will sleep with you just to get here!!!

 

# 3 The girl who feels she must sleep with you to have a chance with you to stop girl # 2 from taken you from her. Or if she dose not sleep with you that you will just dump her, and many men over the years have told me well if she won't have sex with me I will never bring her back. This is the girl that I am going to talk about shortly.

 

The proper time for sex if there is a proper time for the Russian coulter would be after the match or the paper work is completed.  This in my mind is if you're serous about marriage and bringing a good RW home not a wild RW home to be your wife. I am only talking about the man who care's about an old fashion bride not the man that needs a girl with a bit of a wild side.

 

Last is the girl that won't no mater what you say or do. This is also a two edge razor blade, but in most cases she will have no problems taken care of her man when the time is Wright for her.

 

Back to girl # 3 This is about trying to protect her. From those of you who try to put the flag on your back to get her in your bed, and is only intended for you who think going to Russia is just fun and games. First let me say yes this is your choice, but my choice would be to shoot you on site. I don't like it but if it makes you feel like a big man because you can't get laid by the lame, and ugly  here girl # 3 you are hurting You are no more then raping her using the flag as a way to get a nice girl in your bed.  

 

10 years I have had 3 girls come crying to us that they are with child, and the flag bustard can't be found or told her its not my baby so see ya and thank you. I even found out that one of these men was married to an American Woman.

 

So forgive me for being a bit hard on he who thinks its just fun and games. Have fun with girl # 1 and even girl # 2 . But if you know girl # 3 is a sweet girl, back off don't rape her of her further don't make her think about how she will feed her child or if she should kill her child because she can't feed them. So don't take a life! use a rubber at least. Most important if your this kind of man don't let me meet you on a Russian street, and dam sheer don't come to my agency.

 

P.S. Men I am not bashing sex just have class make sheer that the girl can handle it. Also so for you who think I am a bit over board on this, just think about her mind and her life, and the choice she is left to face all alone.

 

Know I feel good just getting that off my chest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Turboguy on February 20, 2005, 06:31:18 PM
Maybe it is just me but the Russian gals that attack every guy in sight are not the ones I have run into.    90% of the ones I met were probably well enough behaved to qualify for sainthood.

The biggest hang up I have had on Russian gals was that you could spend a week with them sometimes sleeping in a bed a few feet away and at best get a kiss on the cheek.  It seems to me that once they make up thier mind they are very wild and really into making sure you have a good time. 

Yes, I have run into an occassional one who was in constant sexual attack mode but those are very few and far between.   Most have been very conservative and it always made me wonder if they were really interested.  

I am currently engaged and we have not had sex yet.   Heck I got the side on my thumb in the wrong place when I was hugging her and got my hand slapped.  (Yes, I deserved it.  I knew where that thumb was.)

 

 

 

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: andrewfi on February 21, 2005, 03:33:04 AM
Forget about nationality. Forget about culture.

If you have a woman that you are planning to marry and she slaps you becasue you 'cop a feel' then you are marrying the wrong woman.

If you are getting married and you have not made love with your fiancee then, with the exceptional excuse of religious superstition, you are marrying the wrong woman.

Sex is normal, sex is healthy, sex is fun. Healthy, normal people know these things. So either you or your girlfriends are not normal healthy people or you have a woman who is not attracted to you enough for you to marry her.

There is a thread about desperation somewhere on the board...
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Michelangelo on February 21, 2005, 05:42:43 AM
My experience is that FSU girls can be quite conservative about sex, especially if you have a younger girl friend.  They are afraid you will consider them "wild" or "easy" so they hold back until they are sure your intentions are serious...
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: KenC on February 21, 2005, 07:19:46 AM
Andrew,

When you wrote:
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Sex is normal, sex is healthy, sex is fun

I thought you were going into that George Michale song about sex "being best one on one"! :cool:

KenC
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Turboguy on February 21, 2005, 08:12:45 AM
Thanks for your thoughts and impressions Andrew.   Let me just add a little more.  First off i could classify myself as one of those one week wonders but it was actually only 5 days.  I came back from my visit with the thought that on my next trip I was going to take the paperwork and propose.   In the converstions that followed waiting seemed like a waste of valuble time.  I have met a lot of Russian gals and I have never met one I felt as comfortable with and enjoyed being with as much as this one.    We both seemed happy enough with each other

I am perfectly aware that we don't know each other yet.   Actually you can be married to someone for 20 years and not know them.  With my gal, you can throw in an awful lot of bad things I have not figured out about her and she is still going to be head and shoulders above anyone I have ever met.   

We are starting the paperwork.  Before she comes over here we will have spent another month together.  If she turns out to be someone I never expected, I can drop things.  When I bring her over I have 90 days there (almost) so No, I am not planning to make a lifetime commitment on the knowlege we have of each other but I am very comfortable enough that she is the woman for me.

Since what I was  talking about in my post was SEX let me add that yes, we have not gotten very far into the physical side of each other yet.   Yes, she slapped my hand when I copped a feel, but it was a playful slap.  It was a gentile slap and she laughted as she did it.  She also rubbed my tummy and asked me when the baby was due.  It is her personallity and one of the things I like is that we have the same sense of humor.

On the last night there I asked her to spend the night.  She said no but said we were going to Moscow together on the next visit and we would have lots of time for that.  She seems reasonalbly affectionalte.  I do not expect to be tying the knot without having been together.   I don't think we will have a problem with sex.

Actually I am happier that she did not hop in bed with me too fast.   I can recall one gal at one of the EC socials.  I envited her to dinner.  She asked if she could leave her bag in my room till after dinner.  We walked into the room and she just turned around, got down on her knees, unzipped me and you can figure the rest.  That girl would not let me get a moments rest and I was a mess the next day.   She was cute and had about the nicest body you could find but I really was happy to see her go and did not get very interested.   If I am going to spend my life with a woman I like her to have some values and some respect for herself.

Yes, I saw the post on Desperate.    Perhaps I am.  I think I considered myself more in the determined state.   I have been chasing Russian ladies for a decade now.   I made a lot of mistakes and should have followed up some a little better than I did.  I gave up for a year.  When I started back I have been very persistant in my search.  I have made about 5 trips.  I have tried the socials route in Kiev, Moscow and St Petersburg and had a few listings that had me swamped with ladies.   I pretty much made up my mind that I was going to work hard to find the right lady.   Desperate is when you grab the first thig that comes along and is willing.  I have passed on a lot of ladies looking for the right one.  I am fairly certain I have found her.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Marc Dayton on February 21, 2005, 10:15:53 AM
Turboguy,

Take your time good things come to those who wait. Andrewfin in his own way was trying to help, but he or anyone elce dose not know all the facts about the two of you.

The only way you will ever know who and what you have is to bring her home.  Donot let others make you douth her, douth is the fear that will stop your life cold in its tracks!
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Turboguy on February 21, 2005, 11:48:06 AM
Thank you for the words of encouragement Mark.   I didn't have any doubts or hestiation based on Andrews comments.   He was just trying to give the best advice he could with the facts he had.   I was there and know that it felt right.   I appreciate his suggestions and I appreciate your encouragement. 

Sometimes I can fall in love a little too easy with a Russian woman because the  have qualities i really like in a woman and find hard to find in an American woman.  In this case however I see more compatability than I have ever seen.   I was falling in love with her before I even saw her photo.     I like being with her.  She has so many great qualities that I am not worried about a thing. 

Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: anono on March 06, 2005, 08:40:01 PM
thanks andrew. i was reading the post above and was thinking the same thing.

how anyone can become engaged without knowing each other sexually is not healthy on many levels.

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: andrewfi on March 07, 2005, 03:33:49 AM
The sad thing is that the kind of guys who write the kind of posts above will either never know what their lives could have been, or will find to their huge cost exactly what they did wrong.

I wonder how many guys go through their lives without ever experiencing good sex because they and their partner were not actually compatible, or because their partner was so unattracted that sex was put on the back burner throughout the relationship. I kinda think that this happens a lot.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Marc Dayton on March 07, 2005, 05:39:11 PM
Anono

how anyone can become engaged without knowing each other sexually is not healthy on many levels.


In todays times, and normal settings a might agree with you, but what is your bases for saying not healthy on many levels.

If a man is only in Russia for 5 or 10  days are you saying she better put out or get out ?

Just like to here what you think
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: andrewfi on March 08, 2005, 10:10:20 AM
Marc, if a couple are planning to make a decsions about marriage in such a short timeframe then they bloody well better be at it like bunnies during that time! That said making a choice to be married in sucgh a short time is stupid anyway and so it would not surprise me to read of guys making a  proposal, being accepted and going home without having had sex becasue they 'did not know each other well enough'!
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Marc Dayton on March 08, 2005, 11:47:55 AM
So you belive this is 100% about sex, if she dose this makes her a good girl, and if she dosenot then she is not worth marriang. This is a statment that tell you what head your thinking from, its 100% your wright to think this way, but thank God that not all men feel the same way.

If we were to use your thinking, then it would also be o.K. for her to run a credit check on you before buying you!
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Frank on March 08, 2005, 03:46:12 PM
Maybe, I am too old fashioned, but I have a real problem choosing a wife based on her ability at sex.  Maybe, I am not the best at this, so why can I judge her?  My intention is not to degrade any of you, but what about watching how a woman carries herself, what is her character like, is she intelligent, does she have good manners, do we have similar interests and values, etc.  When I went to meet my now Fiancee', sex was not what I was looking for.  Really, I was afraid having sex would cloud my judgment. 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: wxman on March 08, 2005, 05:40:15 PM
Guess I'm too old too Frank. I agree with you. I didn't pay all that money for to fly over there to meet her just for sex. I could have saved the money and found a cheap hooker in my city if that's all I wanted. No woman should ever feel like she has to "put out" to find a good husband. In fact, a true gentleman should never make a woman feel like that at all. However, if a couple truly loves each other, or both feel they are fine with it with no pressure from one or the other, then it's their choice and none of my business.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: andrewfi on March 09, 2005, 01:10:24 AM
Marc and other frightened guys!

Sex, for some people, but obviously not all, is an integral part of a successful relationship. For most people, the time spent making love seals a bond, creates and enhances intimacy. It is also the point in a relationship where the true attitudes of a person are shown in a non verbal, emotional manner.

SO, given that you plan to spend the rest of your life with just one woman, that you will not be having sex with anyone else and that almost all of you are incapable of communicating with your proposed life partner on a deep vocal level, one is left with the emotional inputs. So, how can a rational man make a choice about marriage after jsut a few days, in a strange environment, with faulty communication, without exploring al the availble means of communication? Madness, but then so is proposing marriage to anyone after jsut a week or so of acquantance.

One can make any number of efforts to justify not having sex with your partner before proposing marriage, but frankly all of them are bogus (and as a non superstitious person, I include religion).

There does seem to be an undercurrent of fear running through certain sections of men in certain parts of the world. Just think of this: most, but not all women are unable to mask their true feelings, in respect of attraction, when they are skin to skin with their proposed life partner. If they do not like you enough to have sex with you, they do not like you enough to marry you. If you do not like her enough to feel the need  to have sex with her, then likewise for the man. I have seen this happen. A woman who does not like a guy enough to have sex with him will have no qualms about marrying him, but she will make all sorts of excuses, including (especially) religion to avoid sex. Russian women can have the longest, most irregular,  menstruation periods of any mammalian species!

I am not proposing a sex tour, although that is what many guys do and do want. But to restrict your activities due to some kind of artificially constructed barrier is madness, if you want a long marriage. (But then again, how many of the guys here have had a long term relationship with any woman, or have been divorced a multitude of times because they could not get these things right?)
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Marc Dayton on March 09, 2005, 07:19:38 AM
Andrewfin

You like to twist words around a bit don't you. This is not about haveing sex its about demanding sex. put out or get out type thinking. You have you own right to feel this way and so do others. What about the RW its like saying your a pice of meet you have no choice you will or elce? 

Maybe we should twist the words around to put you in her shoes. I am just useing these words to see how you would feel in her shoes I am not saying in anyway shape or form that you are this.

Lets just say your gay, your looking for a man to be your partner for life. After a short time you like him a bit then he tell,s you bend over baby so I can see ?

Don't the whole thought of this make you sick, Some RW will feal just as sick if you demand sex from her!

Good things will happen for men & woman, but they each have there own time clock that will make it wright for each person.

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Frank on March 09, 2005, 09:07:52 AM
Wxman and Marc, I agree with you both 100%,:D

Really, sex is a very important part of a relationship.  However, I don't think it should be one of the first things to experience.  If a guy is determined to sleep with a woman prior to marrying her, think he should make this activity one of the last when  making a commitment.  Really, my desire is not to condemn a guy for sleeping with the woman he goes to meet, but I don't think it should be as casual as going on a date.  I think I can safely say that a very good, quality woman from Russia or Ukraine will view sleeping with a guy as very special and serious.  I know I do.  For this reason, I try to put myself in her shoes and consider how she feels.   Would I want a bunch of women lining up to have sex with me to see if I can do it correctly or to see if I make them feel good?  Some of you would say "yes", but I would find it a little unnerving.  Mostly, I do not want to hurt a good woman.  My thought is to get past the compatibility issues and focus on hers and your feelings and desires for the future. 

I know a guy who is an attorney.  He is in his 50's and isn't married.  Apparently, he has lived with several women.  They usually last about two years with him and then they part each others company.  He told me that the sex is the only reason for being together.  The fun from sex only lasts about two years.  After that it is a waste.  For this reason, why get married?  Just rent a hooker! He does it and is perfectly happy.  Personally, I think it is sad.  This is why the focus needs to be off of sex and on other things. 

If you cannot converse verbally with your UW or RW, I don't think you will be able to transfer all of your thoughts, like a computer download, by having sex:D

Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Leslie on March 09, 2005, 10:32:13 AM
Marc,

I agree with this part of your post -

"Good things will happen for men & woman, but they each have there own time clock that will make it wright for each person."

That advice is spot on but it begs the question - How many dates before sex???

For sure this will vary between people.

I have refused sex when offered on the first and second date because I was not sure I liked these women (and before someone comments they were young and beautiful!)  Of course once I refused these women's amourous advances I never heard from them ever again (That's an international woman's trait in my opinion!)

On the other hand I maintained a strict five date rule.  If the relationship had not gone sexual on the fifth date I ended it then.  I have used that rule from college (university) in UK, USA, Europe - Yada, Yada.  Saved me a a lot of time and heartbreak.

Talking with my wife she tells me the majority of UM expect sex on the third date and can become aggressive if it's not forthcoming.  Maybe that's why my wife and her friends would refuse to go out on that crucial third date unless they actually liked the guy!

When you have sex with someone you find out a whole heap of things.  Perhaps the most important at that time is whether this woman really likes you.  If she is play acting or "holding her nose" then the very next day it's time to send the "Dear Jane message"  Bad sex almot never gets better and this is particularly true when there is a large looks/age difference.

Hey, you can continue your masturbatory fantasy and dream that a strong mutual sexual relationship is not a prerequisite for a marriage to a woman who is both younger and better looking than you. 

The 366 day timer starts when you say "I do"

 

 

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Frank on March 09, 2005, 12:38:05 PM
Let's face it;  some guys are pretty much into the physical and not so much into the psychological, emotional.  Other guys try to focus on all aspects.  I am in the second group.  Marc's views are not a fantasy.  He cares about other people, especially the woman.  I would expect he see's a certain amount of the backlash of relationships from the business he is in.  If he is married to a UW or RW, I expect she and he are both very happy.  As a caring person, I would advise any woman stay clear of a man who expects sex by a specific time.  She needs to pick her own time.  By dumping a gal that will not have sex by a specific date, in reality the guy is doing her a favor. 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Leslie on March 09, 2005, 02:10:49 PM
Frank,

 

I actually agree with what you said -

 

"She needs to pick her own time.  By dumping a gal that will not have sex by a specific date, in reality the guy is doing her a favor. 

 

Like most high mileage guys I know that the woman decides when a relationship goes sexual.  I never ask.  Always wait until it is offered.  If the woman can't make up her mind after 5 dates then I just accept that I don't turn her on and stop dating her.  Other guys have different limits.  Everyone plays the dating game by their own rules.

 

Trying to melt the "Ice Maiden" is always an expensive and potentially a heart breaking mistake. If a guy acts like a "white bird" the majority of FSU women will pluck him.  This is not wrong in their culture - especially so when the guy is a foreigner.  The message boards are replete with variations of this sad tale.  My own personal experience has taught me that if you act like her lap dog she will treat you like a puppy. 

 

My point for Marc is -

 

The type of guys who make these mistakes tend to use "full service" agencies. They act like tourists and throw their money around not realizing the effects this has.  I reckon you know what I think about your spiel on chaste traditional young Russian women.  After all you are in the business of fleecing foreign guys who have not got the wherewithal to find an FSU girlfriend for themselves !!

 

If you are self confident and know how to play the dating game in FSU you hardly need to use an Agency at all.  I have never been to Tver but I reckon I could visit the disco bars there on any weekend and meet lots of your "hand picked" young women there. Dressed to thrill and smoking Davidoff's.   I speak Russian quite well enough now to introduce myself and start a conversation…..

 

The problem with Andrew, Anono and me is we KNOW our way around.  That really is poison for a full service agency…..

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: wxman on March 09, 2005, 02:12:13 PM
We all have differing philosophies when it comes to sex, and no one philosophy is best. Whatever each individual is comfortable with, is the way it should be for them. Let's face it, sex is very important in a marriage. Anyone who says it isn't probably has an unhappy mate. Intimacy is critical, and without it, other issues become even more amplified.  Ask most divorced men how was your sex life during marriage, and you will find out that there really wasn't much of one, especially the last few years.   
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Bruno on March 09, 2005, 02:27:18 PM

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Ask most divorced men how was your sex life during marriage, and you will find out that there really wasn't much of one, especially the last few years.
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I was married with a russian woman... and sex was always great for both... same after the divorce ( she have call this physical need and me pleasure )... no problem with sex but all the rest was problem...
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Frank on March 09, 2005, 02:46:15 PM
Leslie, I liked what you had to say.  There is something I'm not sure about though.  When a guy is plucked, is this like being hen pecked or being taken advantage of?  If I see that happening, I will disappear really fast!!   I don't like women who want to rule the roost or take everything they can get.  I expect in return what I give.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Marc Dayton on March 09, 2005, 04:50:51 PM
Leslie Think about this

If a man has been in my service he pay a wapping $ 200 a day lets break that down

If he has 10 hours service per day thats a whole $ 20 per hour. It pays for two Interputers that work 6 hours per shift, but in 90% of the time a man keeps his second interputer about 8 to 12 hours. That would be lower the rate under $ 20 per hour. Know that also pays for the girls in the office setting his dates for him. Pluss pays for his flat.

So all is less then $ 20 per hour, ? how much do you make per hour who is stealing from who?

How many times have you been to Russia?

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: andrewfi on March 09, 2005, 11:30:55 PM
Marc, I have never demanded sex. Ever. Don't need to and do not consider it to be a part of what I beleive in. But, if two people planning to get married do not want each other enough to be having sex then one or both does not like the other enough.

Frank, whilst I do not beleive sex transfers data in some mechanistic way that you seem to think I implied, those of us who are getting some, know that it is absolutley one ofthe best ways to ascertain how people feel about each other and about how they relate, in real life, to each other. The man who is a selfish lover, is probably selfish in real life, notwithstanding any acts of genrosity he may make on his whirlwind romance.

Leslie is spot on about bad sex and I posit that the only peple who would disagree are those who have not had good sex. I also suggest that many here and in the real world have not had good sex. Sex can get better when two people with mutual attraction learn more about each other, become better tuned, more mutually skilled; but then in this case, it already started out good. Bad sex does not get better, it is not about technique, but about attitude. One can have great sex with a partner who is totally unslikked and terrible sex with the most technically adept practitioner.

Do I focus on sex in a relationship? Not particularly; it is important, but not even close to everything. It is why we need to have communication on a verbal level as well as emotional. I and a few others here, I think, learned a long time ago that having sex when one runs out of words to share is not, in the end, a basis for a relationship. On the other hand, in a good relationship, one can be making love almost all the time.

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: retired_army_ranger on March 09, 2005, 11:39:10 PM
Well, you use it, or you lose it.  I prefer using it.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: jb on March 10, 2005, 05:11:35 AM
retired-ranger

Absolutely right,,, what you use today  you may not have tomorrow.  Get while the getting is good, I say.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: OhioGuyRob on March 13, 2005, 05:55:16 AM
[user=101]Dave_home[/user] wrote:
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Quote from: BC
Well sex can be accomplished about anywhere.... at work with the boss after hours.... Oh, that could be another thread as well:  "Sex with the boss" :-)  Families also go to other family member's houses for visits,(they visit each other's homes more frequently than families in America do.)  sex can be arranged in the home of her parents when they are out. Necessity is the mother of invention as they say, and these girls do think sex is a necessity.
Yes, even  doctors advise young girls to have regular sex!  My fiance' had some female problems a few months ago and went to the doctor....  he gave her some medicine and suggested she and her boyfriend have more sex as preventative medicine! :-)   She laughed and told him  her fiance' is in America and she will have to wait.  For whatever the reason Russian doctors also believe frequent sex is a good preventative for female disorders,  I've never heard American doctors suggest this so I'm not sure if this is just opinion, or medical fact.  Dave



You need help Dave....
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: ConnerVT on March 14, 2005, 11:03:22 AM
Actually, Rob, what Dave wrote is pretty accurate.  I have heard a very similar thing from my Russian wife.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Noyrt on March 14, 2005, 08:41:13 PM
Keep the canal open??  Doctors orders?? 

Sounds like a load of crap to me,, I think all these doctors are MEN, and want to keep the society LOOSE, for their own benifit..  Or their trying to find a date at the office.

IMO... Yes, I've been there too, but you guy's who have money, go all the time, and date many women, without commitment, just makes it harder for the rest of us to negotiate the maze, and find a good woman!

 

Noyrt...

 
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: ConnerVT on March 15, 2005, 05:34:27 AM
No, my wife's doctors in Russia have all been women.  We discussed this when looking for a primary physician for her and our son.  And I believe the recommendation is based more on the body's production of hormones stimulated from regular sexual activity, and not based on the results of the physical activity.

As for guys who have a lot of money -- I'm certainly not one of them.  My wife made a good salary at the position she left in Russia.  One that had her living in a lifestyle that (to her) is remarkably similar to the one she lives now.  I think of it as comfortable middle class.  No big home, no new cars, no high price tag toys.  Just decent clothes, good food, small but 'cozy' home.  And little debt.  We couldn't be happier.

Many trips?  Well, I've been to visit my wife in Russia 5 times.  Lived cheaply between trips, and every purchase made was weighed to how it was needed by our family in the future.  When in Russia, we lived as a family -- not as we were on a big vacation.  Shopped at the local markets (ever carry 2 dozen loose eggs in a cheap plastic shopping bag brought from home?), rode busses and trains everywhere, picked up our son at the Kindergarten.  It was a treat for both of us to visit a cafe once or twice a trip.  No interpretor -- just taking the time to learn how to understand and be understood.  Just like life, only better IMO.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Bruno on March 15, 2005, 06:12:01 AM
From American doctor :

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Sexual healing is achieved primarily through the daily challenge of maintaining a close, intimate relationship which, when accomplished, leads to balance between our health and healing systems.

Can lack of sexual intimacy create a risk factor for certain diseases? Dr. Pearsall cites research and his own clinical experience ndicating that sexual dissatisfaction seems to be prevalent prior to a heart attack in a high percentage of persons. Conversely, sexual contentment appears related to less severe migraine headaches, fewer and less-severe symptoms of premenstrual syndrome for women, and a reduction in symptoms related to chronic arthritis for both genders.

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Does this mean that to live longer or be more healthy we just need to DO IT more often or better? Of course not! Sex is a much broader concept that genital connecting or having an orgasm. Psychologist and author Gina Ogden, Ph.D. notes in her book, "Women Who Love Sex", that sex has everything to do with openness, connection to and bonding with a partner, feelings about what is happening to us, and memories. For those who love it, sex permeates their lives and is not merely a specialized, time-intensive, physical activity that takes place under the covers--as quickly as possible.
As a result of interviewing many women, Dr. Ogden learned that sexual desire, or lust, was produced by much more than physical stimulation. For women, according to Dr.Ogden, it has more to do with feelings of connectedness in their relationships: "Heart to heart, soul to soul, even mind to mind."
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A other good link : Your Health - Is Sex Necessary?

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Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: syd on April 07, 2007, 08:01:05 AM
EDIT: Just saw the date of the original post. Hehe

I am definitely with Andrew on this topic. I'm pretty young but I have already realized sex is a great way to find out some of a woman's (and man's) personality traits. I was with a girl who was always very selfish in the bedroom, and this was true in real life as well. Finding this out would have taken months of being together without intercourse, since in normal life it is so easy to mask these things.

It's a good way to tell how much they really like you. Both men and women lose inhibitions when they are aroused, and this opens a window to their inner self.

I certainly understand that you can be in love with someone who you have not had sex with. But this kind of relationship is not nearly enough for a marriage. If you are starting the marriage process and have not had sex, either you are moving too fast, or she isn't really into you.

Getting a slap from your fiance for (as I understand it) for gently touching her breast through her clothes whilst hugging is too much. I would understand if you had grabbed her breast or another intimate area directly. But a light touch such as this should not be getting a negative reaction from the person you're going to marry.

I honestly can't believe that she would agree to marry you without first having sexual intercourse unless there is something sinister about her. I'm guessing she is over 25? By this age she certainly shouldn't be naive about these things.

No wonder so many people get scammed in this business.

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Lily on April 07, 2007, 08:19:08 AM
I hope you guys will not take for serious the information that the doctors in Russia advise having sex to their patients?  :o

And sex IS a big deal for Russian women and is not just for fun. At least for the good ones.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: I/O on April 07, 2007, 08:22:30 AM
And sex IS a big deal for Russian women and is not just for fun. At least for the good ones.

'Nuff said.  Thank you lines people, thank you ball people, game, set, match.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I/O
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: BradSTL on May 13, 2007, 01:00:30 AM
  And I believe the recommendation is based more on the body's production of hormones stimulated from regular sexual activity, and not based on the results of the physical activity.
BULLSEYE Conner- this is what I read in a study that was released around 2001.  I can't find it on the internet anymore, but the summary of hormone-levels was impressive.  As I recall, it was something in the range of a 50% or more production in several hormones (obscure ones I didn't recognize) that help keep the immune system well developed.  It seems there are a few studies on this subject--- I recall Harvard, or Rutgers university, have published work.  There have been others in the last 20 years, as well.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: LTCOLBIEGARD on May 13, 2007, 11:57:29 AM
Although all women are different in their sexual habits AW ,  FSUW or other. I too, was told that FSU women will have sex with someone just for the fun of it. With absolutley no attacments or desires for that person. Then again isn't that what AW do in most cases? Bars are filled every Firday and saturday night in America with this mind set.

I will take it one step further I was also told , and even by my own wife that it is common for  A FSU woman to go out and  purposely get pregnant by a man whom they have selected, because she wants another child and FSU woman have learned that they can not rely on men. they go into knowing that most likely the men aren't going to support them anyways. SO as long as they are good breeding stock , well they really don't care about him for long term relationships or anything more than a donor.

No my wife did not do this, but she knows many that have. And Other women that I have  met had agreed on this. AS they say, their men are " spoiled  " and unreliable.

Their words not mine.

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Jazzyclassy on May 15, 2007, 09:48:12 PM
Dave at home dear you have a very strange , perverted opinion about Russian women and your  friends too who claimed that for Russian women sex with anyone is so easy and just as normal as you go to the toilet, sorry to disappoint you but Russian women are very decent and as Lily said for them sex is very important thing and a Big deal of course it is not for fun , it is a great form of expressing love to the 1 partner she chooses!

I mean lets leave Russian women alone in the question of sex cos they are the least to be accused of having this freesexlife with every person they meet, I mean of course there are exclusive Russian women with stuck up mind who are just desperate and do not understand what are they doing, but that is just in any nation you can observe that

I am leading to western European women to American women too for them Sex it is just like food or brushing their teeth, lets be sincere here , I am sure that it is not a secret really! So why  soil  the sex life of Russian women , I can tell Russians are still conservative and religious and they believe in  1 true love , they are naturally naive ......

so what are you talking about .......  in this topic  are probably Russian women of low class , fallen women- that is only what comes to my mind, not a single decent Russian lady!
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Mir on May 15, 2007, 10:35:38 PM
No doubt there are various types of women in every country with their individual attitude towards sexual relations.
Victorian society and the church suppressed the normal human sexual desires and the sexual revolution in the Western Europe has changed all that. As someone said:'Regarding sex Europe has gone from constipation to diarrhea !
Unfortunately women who supposed to benefit most from this sexual liberation have been the biggest victims, having been turned into sexual objects.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Aya on May 18, 2007, 06:22:24 PM
I have heard guys talking about how RW are so much more open with sex....  they say that sex is no big deal to RW.  I have heard many reports of RW wanting, and or needing sex so much that even if they don't have a boyfriend, or husband,  they will choose some guy they know as a friend but have no feelings for to have sex with on a regular basis, because they believe regular sex is normal and should be done quite often for health reasons.  For them a boyfriend, or husband would be nice, but if they don't have one,  it is important for them to have sex with some guy for fun and for good health, and so they just choose some guy they know who is willing to screw them so many times a week, it can be a family friend, or business associate, or a married man ..  it doesn't matter as long as they  have sex with someone. As soon as they meet a man they care for the previous regular sex usually stops, but not always, cause they don't look at it romantically, just a function that is enjoyable,healthy and necessary like eating, or sleeping.    What percentage of RW are this way? who knows?  but my guess is it is much smaller than guys want you to believe... it is the old adage: bad news travels fast, and makes headlines, but good news never does.

 In Russia/Ukraine supposedly these RW do NOT consider this regular sex with a guy they don't have feelings for makes them "easy girls" , they think it just makes them normal and healthy. How this bodes for a RM who wants to take them for a wife I don't know,  but most AM I know think: " Why would I want to marry a woman who is a slut?"  I personally believe there are more RW with higher standards than those just discussed.  I found one, my fiance'  considers sex a natural and healthy thing , but only with a man she loves,  if she had no boyfriend, or husband,  she did not have sex, it is a big deal to her. I'm glad, what a coincidence I believe the same way. :-)   Dave  



i didnt read the whole topic, but this is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard . i can speak on behalf of my friends too. neither my friends nor i do that. sleeping with someone else while you have a bf, just cuz its a habit and healthy sex equals to being a slut in my opinion. some women do sleep with married men, but only cuz they are naive enough to love them and to believe their words that they will divorce their wives.
it is ok to have a relationship based on sex only, but usually girls hope for more. women are emotional creatures by nature. it is very rarely just sex for them. sometimes it is, yes, but that involves being somewhat cynical and beat up by life :P
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: batman on June 24, 2007, 11:32:46 AM
My personal experience:

Its not unheathly to hold back sex for a while. You can still be attracted to that person and hold back.

Its more important to have a relationship built on Communication. This takes different amount of time for different people. Relationships built on sex will fail - fast.

Sex could occur within a few days or much longer and things would work out... as long as the relationship was built on communication and love.

Holding back for a while is actually pretty cool. You should try it. The best long term sex I ever had... and ever heard of - by far.

 :luv:
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Wayne B on June 24, 2007, 11:41:09 AM
You got that 'right' batman..... :applaud:
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: jb on June 24, 2007, 11:52:15 AM
batman,

It is obvious to me you've no experience with Russian women.  When you meet one who really likes you,,, you will know it.  Russian women tend to "go after" what they want.  They have an clean and clear cut honesty that you've not seen before.  If after 3-4 dates she isn't making herself at home in your flat, you might need to re-think the dating scene, it prolly isn't gonna happen.  She simply isn't that interested in you, but she will be a good hostess to a foreign guest in her country.  She won't just cut you loose on your own, she is just biding the time until you leave.  However, if she is attracted to you she will be all over you with subtle signs of affection, making sure your shoes are clean before you go out, that there is no lint visible on your clothes, inpecting your plate to see that you've eaten enough, probably feeding you 5 times a day, etc.  I'd venture to say if she really likes you, that after those 3-4 dates she might excuse herself after a cozy dinner to go have a shower.  If that happens, brace yourself for some of the best lovin' you've ever experienced.

'course I could be wrong.

Also,,, learn to appreciate red caviar before you venture into the FSU.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Daveman on June 24, 2007, 11:59:15 AM


Holding back for a while is actually pretty cool. You should try it.


Which is precisely why I carry an inflatable sheep packed away in my bag every time I travel.

I think Lily and Jazzy summed this one up pretty good up thread from the RW perspective.

I just don't see what the big deal is about it in the first place.  I think two adult people certainly can determine when the time is right and they are ready to take that step and it varies for everyone and every couple.  I don't care to read about it, or hear any details about it on the forum... but it's part of a relationship for most normal people, and part of the courting process for others... and that's that really.  If some (men OR women) want to do it for fun, for money, for ancient religious rituals, or to summon the Spirit of the Oracle...  have at it.  Our opinions about it are entirely irrelevant.

I would simply add that if something lasts for more than 4 hours, do NOT take pictures, and stay away from all sharp objects.  >:(

 ;D <--- obligatory winking smiley for the intended humor in the post.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: catzenmouse on June 24, 2007, 12:07:47 PM
I would simply add that if something lasts for more than 4 hours, do NOT take pictures, and stay away from all sharp objects.  >:(

If it last for more than 4 hours call your doctor as it could lead to a severe drop in blood pressure.  ;)

The point, IMO, that JB makes is that if your lady likes you it won't matter how long you "think" you want to wait. She is gonna have her way with you and you WILL like it! Just surrender and enjoy.  :D

Ken
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: jb on June 24, 2007, 12:14:18 PM
"If rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it".

Who said that?
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: batman on June 24, 2007, 12:56:42 PM
batman,

It is obvious to me you've no experience with Russian women.  When you meet one who really likes you,,, you will know it.  Russian women tend to "go after" what they want.  They have an clean and clear cut honesty that you've not seen before.  If after 3-4 dates she isn't making herself at home in your flat, you might need to re-think the dating scene, it prolly isn't gonna happen. 

jb,

No I don't have "experience with Russian Women" but I do have experience with women in general (a few nationalities) and I think I can guess when she's into me. As a single mum I don't think it'll be quite the way you describe it... but a will prepare myself to have my clothes ripped off and humped like crazy on the 3rd or 4th day... just in case 
:ROFL:

Seriously though, I stand by what I said earlier in relation to communication being more important a foundation than sex. This applies to any person of any nationality.

But I'm prepared anyway to be jumped on, so thanks for that.

Speaking of which: Be very wary of girls that warn you they don't like being pounced on (before you even start a sexual relationship) This has happened twice to me and never again since both girls had sex "forced" on them by previous boyfriends (which they knew they shouldn't have been with) and they had "issues" with sex... never again shall I take pity on them. I don't think it's a sane relationship when you constantly have to tread carefully on the subject of sex. It should be very natural and freeflowing. Both girls were damaged goods so to speak before they met me. I did a bit of repair but I could only do so much before I realized I didn't have enough glue :(

I'd say this would hold true with Russian Women too, no?
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: batman on June 24, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
"If rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it".

Who said that?

In relation to raping women - some sick perverted rapist that should be behind bars

In relation to women raping men - Pretty much any guy I've met, LOL
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: jb on June 24, 2007, 01:14:40 PM
Quote
I'd say this would hold true with Russian Women too, no?

You are asking me to generalize about all Russian women as compared to two abused women you've met,,, no thank you.

What I wrote is a generalization about how the normal Russian view sex, they tend to have a more Oriental approach to sex as opposed to the western Occidental view.  In other words, to a Russian, sex is not a bad thing, and should be enjoyed as recreation as well as procreation.  Not all Russian women will fit this image, but very many, I'd say the vast majority, will.  It all depends on how healthy is her attitude about the subject.  Generally speaking, sex is better there than here because of this attitude.  If you go off and hunt for the exception then you will most likely find disappointment in that department. 

I've met many Russian women who are open to discussions about intimacy, they don't think it's a big deal.  It's a normal bodily function between two healthy people who like each other.  Simple as that.  This is the reason the screwball virgin hunter is disappointed in his quest in Russia, there are very few virgins over the age of 17 in Russian seeking a foreign husband.  His odds of failure just went through the roof~!

'Sway it is.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Wayne B on June 24, 2007, 01:26:19 PM
batman, jb and Ken are right about how Russian Women view sex ;) but I cannot tell you how they would view Dave being with his inflatable 'sheep' for four hours :whew:
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: batman on June 24, 2007, 01:47:24 PM

What I wrote is a generalization about how the normal Russian view sex, they tend to have a more Oriental approach to sex as opposed to the western Occidental view.  In other words, to a Russian, sex is not a bad thing, and should be enjoyed as recreation as well as procreation.  Not all Russian women will fit this image, but very many, I'd say the vast majority, will.  It all depends on how healthy is her attitude about the subject.  Generally speaking, sex is better there than here because of this attitude.  If you go off and hunt for the exception then you will most likely find disappointment in that department. 

That's a relief! I was married to a Taiwanese for 5 years. And in that department it was the same and the best. The damaged goods were from elsewhere.

jb, I wasn't asking for a generalization. I'm interested to hear if anyone else had a similar experience with "damaged goods"

I think I gave the impression that I planned on waiting a long time before sex with a RW. This is not the case. There was a situation in the past that required it. I don't have that requirement now but I still don't jump into a relationship sex first so to speak. Could be a few days or a week or 2 weeks... past that there better be a bloody good reason or I'm most likely gone due to several other red flags. Would depend on the girl and the seperation time too. I plan to go for a few months and work from there.

I thought sheep jokes were for New Zealanders? You mean other nationalities chase sheep for private relations too? LOL

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: catzenmouse on June 24, 2007, 02:04:32 PM
batman, jb and Ken are right about how Russian Women view sex ;) but I cannot tell you how they would view Dave being with his inflatable 'sheep' for four hours :whew:

LOL! That'll probably Pike's next TR. "My WMVMFM in the Rubber Factory"

...sorry, just couldn't help myself...
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: jb on June 24, 2007, 04:48:53 PM
Sheep jokes???

Have you ever traveled through Wyoming?
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: William3rd on June 24, 2007, 05:00:03 PM
more like WNVNBD Report from my single wide.

Write none
Visit None
Buy Doll.

Got the nubile C cup Olga doll. Looks just like yer daughter
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: USCFAN on July 29, 2007, 10:08:39 AM
"If rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it".

Who said that?

I believe that was Indiana/Texas Tech college basketball coach Bob Knight ...
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Jack on July 29, 2007, 10:18:55 AM
Nope, that was the guy who was about to be the next Governor of Texas several years ago,..... until he said this.  Once he said this his chances of becoming Governor of the republic ended.

Clayton Williams.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: USCFAN on July 29, 2007, 10:23:37 AM
Don't know about him ...

... but I do remember Bobby Knight saying something very similar ...
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Faux Pas on January 21, 2008, 03:12:31 PM
This thread has obviously been laying around here for several years but it would appear to be one of those timeless topics that warrant some fresh perspective from time to time. I remember a similar thread in another forum and got lambasted for my remarks there, so I just as well take some kicks on this one too.

If there is one invariable fact I know for certain it is that no one has to tell anyone when the time "is" to have sex or make love. That is an instinct we all as humans have, instinctively, if you will. This is true for WM/RW and RM/RW and WM/WW, male/female it is all the same. Russian women haven't cornered the market on promiscuity or high morality. Women are the same at every corner of the world in many regards and different in some others. The natural instincts of a women will be the same no matter where she lives. I know literally hundreds of AW that will have sex just for the sake if sex itself and some that will have NONE until a solid commitment is it place. And many women that fall in between. Because a woman chooses to have sex with someone without love or commitment doesn't make them a slut. It's not the country guys, it's the woman.

For me personally and my experience is only with AW, after 4-5 dates sexual intimacy is a must for me to continue on the romantic path. The act of consummation doesn't necessarily HAVE to be performed at that point but the anticipation and excitement of it coming our way soon is a must. If this is not the case the women has fallen into one of two categories, "just friends" with highly unlikely futures or "someone" I dated. I really can't fathom it being much different with RW or any other nationality. I can't imagine I would hit it off with a woman who felt she had to "wait" some predetermined amount of time. Just as a personal preference, I wouldn't attempt any on the first or second date. I would prefer they didn't either, sexual discussion is always welcome but not required. I don't jump into bed with every woman I meet but, I wouldn't date them if I wasn't physically attracted to them. If the attraction grows and the energy flows, it's "time".

For those that choose to wait for 300 dates and marriage, thats great! But keep in mind it doesn't give you any moral high ground or insight over those who do not choose that path.

I half believe when someone on the forum asks a question as to the morality of "russian women"  they haven't a clue not only of russian women but women in general. It doesn't matter where you live. You can go to the other side of your town and find ladies of high moral fiber, who do in fact have sex and some sluts in the same neighborhood. You can go to Russia and get the same results, or America, England and every other place on earth with women. And men for that matter.



Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: JimSeattle1963 on June 15, 2008, 11:51:50 AM
This thread has obviously been laying around here for several years but it would appear to be one of those timeless topics that warrant some fresh perspective from time to time. I remember a similar thread in another forum and got lambasted for my remarks there, so I just as well take some kicks on this one too.

Yes, a timeless topic.  My 2nd marriage was to an American woman I met when she was 37 years old, and a real live virgin at that age.  Virginity was not what I was looking for in a woman, nor ever expecting to find, and as much of a problem as a "gift".  On the first date as we parted she gave me a kiss that told me everything I needed to know about how our eventual intimate life would be.  We dated for about 4 months, seeing each other about 5 times a week, before consummating the relationship sexually.  For about 3 of those months we slept in the same bed when we were together.  We married after dating for over 2-1/2 years.  I moved into her house an hour away from my work.  The actual marriage then lasted only 7 months until we separated, and then another year of back to dating, and then ended.  Ended over matters of money, power, geography.  (I was the one who chose to leave; what I mean by power, as an example, one of the issues was a recurring theme of ultra-caution vs. adventure and calculated risk-taking)
Anyway, the intimate part of this relationship was the best (and most frequent) I have ever experienced and I can only hope and dream of someday finding such an incredible partner again.  I am sharing this just to illustrate that real life situations do not always fit into neat pigeonholes when it comes to relationships and sex, and that sometimes the one you have to wait for will be very worth the wait.  I only wish the other issues could have been worked out to be able to stay together.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Link on November 20, 2008, 08:21:33 AM
From UK Doctor : sex lead to man headcaches... http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/headache_sex.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/headache_sex.shtml)

An other one : If you or your significant other is suffering from back or neck pain, you know that sex is one of the first activities to be put at the bottom of the list of things to do. http://www.spine-dr.com/site/sex/sex_article1.html (http://www.spine-dr.com/site/sex/sex_article1.html)

For the religious one : http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/masturbation.html (http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/masturbation.html)

And sex see from a AW... a lot of humor but real ... http://www.love-from-russia.be/forty_mistakes_that_man_make_in_bedroom.txt (http://www.love-from-russia.be/forty_mistakes_that_man_make_in_bedroom.txt)[/color][/b]

And who don't know the doctor Ruth from America, of the rapport Kinsey, of ...



The link of the AW attitudes toward sex doesn't work anymore..... too bad  :-\
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Admin on December 19, 2008, 04:53:39 AM

The link of the AW attitudes toward sex doesn't work anymore..... too bad  :-\

Link,

Here is a different page with that same information -- http://www.funnyheck.com/40mistakes.html

Enjoy!

- Dan
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: M_Diva on January 08, 2009, 02:54:12 PM
Hello Guys
You made me laugh, there are just not enough myths to go around I suppose.
Yes, sex is considered an aid to maintain health and older men and women without partners sometimes engage for health reasons as well as compionship.
But at all ages, the desire for, the timing, and the urgency vary drastically. I have girlfriends who would never have sex unless they are engaged. Others seldom come home with us girls when we go out to a party or a dance club.

It is a pretty individual and personal issue and if a potential couple do not sync with eachother's notions about it, the relationship might be doomed from the beginning. If both are quite content to not be intimate before marriage, that is perfectly natural....for them and we should not judge them.
I am sort of in the middle, I am not overly anxious to attack any cute guy I see in a club but if there was mutual attraction and communications on that level, I might be predisposed to become intimate spontaneously and in the general environment of closeness and warm feelings, even if I was not to see him again.

The nature of physical contact is very different for boys and girls. Russian girls are very close to each other, a best girlfriend is likely to be a partner in life longer than most marriages. often our first real kisses or caresses are with our young girlfriends who are just as curious and developing as we are.
I think, naturally, there is less of a divide between girls in sexual identity, where as young boys to not come into contact with their friends physically the same way as girls do. Part is based on nature and other parts come from social training. I've heard sexologist state that men are either heterosexual or homosexual, with very few bisexual, yet women are naturally omnisexual and can become close and seek the close contact with either sex. Social training or religious concepts play a larger role than nature in this case. Also a woman is not defined the same way as a man is about their sexuality. A man has his entire identity involved in his physical contact with other people. No one would define a woman as a certain type of sexual being if she kissed or held hands with another woman, a man or a child. A man would be most definitely defined by with whom he had contact.
That all being said, women have more outlets for intimacy or cuddling or just quiet talk, all parts of their sensuality. Men have been trained to have very limited outlets so there seems to be more urgency and almost desperation if he really needs closeness and there are few options except pursuing a women.
Actually, in many way we women have it much easier, we can or choose not to be sexual at any moment as be fully aware that it would happen as we wish. When my GFs and I go to a club, me mostly dance and flirt with each other, mainly because men take our fun and flirting too seriously, but we have fun and we KNOW it drives guys crazy!;>)
Any reasonably attractive girl in the club could have her pick of men, although all men think they do the picking....we just let them think that, it is good for their fragile egos;>)

So the answer to the original question, from a young Russian single female's point of view; is yes...and no...and it depends, some girls, if they think a guy is cute, humorous, and sexy, would have sex just for the fun of it and others would not. Did you expect any other answer?   It is more likely the woman would not be the one going home alone in either case. If she really want physical contact she has her girlfriend(s) sleeping over to cuddle, hug or more,   if there is no suitable relationship with a man, So in either case she is just fine.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: ECOCKS on January 08, 2009, 03:32:40 PM
Now that was a refreshing read.

 8)

Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 24, 2020, 01:33:41 PM
This thread has obviously been laying around here for several years but it would appear to be one of those timeless topics that warrant some fresh perspective from time to time.

I thought so as well so I whipped out the defibrillator paddles and
here we go.

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on December 24, 2020, 01:51:38 PM
Well all i know, BDSM is not big in FSU, any type of dominance sexually is foreign, apart from a few women. A lot of women are curious. Actually my tinder profile was me topless with a whip , rope and such . Women found it odd, because in my bio i would say i am looking for a serious relationship. One thing was i didn't want a woman who was.... how do i say, 'boring'.

Women tend to have casual sex, a special someone they go to to get a job done. Women want sex just as much as men, just are not open to disclosing their sexual activity.
Title: Theory of the 5 date rule
Post by: 2tallbill on December 24, 2020, 02:01:30 PM
On the other hand I maintained a strict five date rule.  If the relationship had not gone sexual on the fifth date I ended it then.  I have used that rule from college (university) in UK, USA, Europe - Yada, Yada.  Saved me a a lot of time and heartbreak.

Leslie, doesn't participate at this forum anymore. He wrote the
RWD Ten commandments and is a walking Poor Richards Almanac
of witty sayings and anecdotes.

One of them (paraphrased) was.
"Don't be surprised if you find gold diggers if you use money for bait.

He came up with the five date rule. It was basically for naive Newbies
who weren't able to tell if they had chemistry with women or not. These
naive noobs would keep dating women who friend-zoned them or felt
guilty that things didn't work out on the man's trip to the FSU so they
felt obligated to show the guy around when they weren't romantically
interested.

The heartbroken men would mistake this feeling of obligation for them
possibly coming around to liking them romantically and waste their entire
trip to the FSU following a girl around like a spanked puppy dog.

So the 5 date rule was supposedly written for the Naive men who don't
know when to call it off. The rule went like this, if a Russian woman hasn't
had sex with you after 5 dates then it was never going to happen and you
should move on to find a woman who was interested in you.

Personally I can tell if a woman is attracted to me or not without having to
go on 5 dates. If a Russian woman is romantically interested in you, then
you will know it. You won't be wondering about it.

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 24, 2020, 02:07:20 PM
Women want sex just as much as men, just are not open to
disclosing their sexual activity.


Women want sex just as much as men, just are not open to
disclosing their sexual activity.......to other men.

Bill's opinion below
Women discuss such things among themselves all the time,
they don't discuss it with other men because they want to
protect their ego's.

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 24, 2020, 02:32:34 PM
Well all i know, BDSM is not big in FSU, any type of dominance sexually is foreign, apart from a few women. A lot of women are curious. Actually my tinder profile was me topless with a whip , rope and such . Women found it odd, because in my bio i would say i am looking for a serious relationship. One thing was i didn't want a woman who was.... how do i say, 'boring'.

Women tend to have casual sex, a special someone they go to to get a job done. Women want sex just as much as men, just are not open to disclosing their sexual activity.

Very true Japs. I think one mistake I made in that past inadvertently was to be open to any woman, generic even. Better to leave girls under no misunderstanding who you are so long as you know who you are. In the past I neither had a good enough grasp of who I was or probably have the girl a clear enough idea of who exactly I was, what I wanted. I didn't realise this at the time though, the first girl I met in Kiev was a nice enough girl. Why was she left in the shelf? I believe boring would have a lot to do with that. She was good company yes and as said before looked like a model as Photofeeler would back up. However apart from all the Theatre stuff she was pretty stiff. I think unless she met the man of her dreams or close to it she wouldn't be putting out. I think she had some sort of a liking for me she smiled a lot and her eyes where what one poster said at the time were 'smily eyes' but she was kind of uptight feeling when I was alone with her in say lifts, etc. Only after a few days did she ease a little but even then there was a distance. She was the one who thought an Orthodox marriage was an eternal binding. I genuinely think now that she would very unlikely spread as easy as the OP says a lot of FSW do here.

I don't think OP is wrong, I think for many FSW that sex is no big deal as it is in the west, that some see regular sex as natural and healthy and something they want as a normal part of life even if not with a bf or married. I think they have a different more easy going nature to sex for most of them. In the west I think most women view it as a kind of golden chalice that they should hold out to men and only give it in exceptional circumstances to the most worthy. Some WW aren't attractive enough for it to mean that much to WM and may give it more readily. Some others may of course be different to most WW of course. Again it's the FSU like opposite land I feel.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: ML on December 24, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
Women want sex just as much as men . . .
This is definitely NOT true.

Here I speak of the average man and the average woman.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on December 25, 2020, 03:37:35 AM

Women want sex just as much as men, just are not open to
disclosing their sexual activity.......to other men.

Bill's opinion below
Women discuss such things among themselves all the time,
they don't discuss it with other men because they want to
protect their ego's.

I agree, i am a weird one, women are open with me, and i find it interesting. I asked my fiance if she tried a certain thing with her new guy, she gasped and said 'no, no way, not yet, maybe after a few years'. The is a big pressure for women to be a 'good girl', women in FSU tend to wear a mask.

This is definitely NOT true.

Here I speak of the average man and the average woman.

I think it depends if a guy can get the job done .in the FSU sex isn't most of the time for pleasure, a lot of women are with men who are terrible in bed . These guys compensate in other ways , such as mostly financial stability .

In FSU guys tend to be poor sexual lovers . Hence why a western man can go to day , slap is wallet on the table, and find women . He offers finances and heck probably better in bed than what she Is used to. Sadly some things cannot compensate for the language barrier , the women I dated were fluent in English.

I believe that is a drawback for Western men , the language barrier, but at the same time I think spending time learning russian rather than going to the gym and improving your income is not worth it .
Title: Re: Theory of the 5 date rule
Post by: japtats on December 25, 2020, 05:08:14 AM
Leslie, doesn't participate at this forum anymore. He wrote the
RWD Ten commandments and is a walking Poor Richards Almanac
of witty sayings and anecdotes.

One of them (paraphrased) was.
"Don't be surprised if you find gold diggers if you use money for bait.

He came up with the five date rule. It was basically for naive Newbies
who weren't able to tell if they had chemistry with women or not. These
naive noobs would keep dating women who friend-zoned them or felt
guilty that things didn't work out on the man's trip to the FSU so they
felt obligated to show the guy around when they weren't romantically
interested.

The heartbroken men would mistake this feeling of obligation for them
possibly coming around to liking them romantically and waste their entire
trip to the FSU following a girl around like a spanked puppy dog.

So the 5 date rule was supposedly written for the Naive men who don't
know when to call it off. The rule went like this, if a Russian woman hasn't
had sex with you after 5 dates then it was never going to happen and you
should move on to find a woman who was interested in you.

Personally I can tell if a woman is attracted to me or not without having to
go on 5 dates. If a Russian woman is romantically interested in you, then
you will know it. You won't be wondering about it.

I have a similar rule but it is for three dates . Some women need time as they need to keep some type of illusion that a man does not perceive her as a whore.

Most women I sleep with on the first date , some on the second, rarely third, after that I cut and run . Some women expect me to do a handstand and tell them how much I love them .

I wish them the best of luck and go. My love is not cheap , if they want words and poetry , it ain't me. I am the man of action , and for me and the women I dated it works better. If I say something I do it , and if I do something it will.be for life , not a one off gesture.

Women I dated were impressed that my actions speak louder than my words and that is something they were not used to . Leave the poetry to others
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: GenMish on December 25, 2020, 06:07:23 AM
I really dont think we are qualified to determine if FSU guys are good lovers or not. Im thinking they are pretty much as good as we are. I found RW comparable to American in almost every respect but one. American girls are more spontaneous and adventurous. With the RW, make sure she knows the script ahead of time, dont surprise her.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on December 25, 2020, 06:55:17 AM
I really dont think we are qualified to determine if FSU guys are good lovers or not. Im thinking they are pretty much as good as we are. I found RW comparable to American in almost every respect but one. American girls are more spontaneous and adventurous. With the RW, make sure she knows the script ahead of time, dont surprise her.

Hence why i said tend to, i heard good stuff of some men, and then the same girl will say that many others failed miserably, on all different levels. I just spot correlations, many RW/UW haven't experienced certain things sexually before. Many things which are common in western society. We can make some guesses, one of mine being that women in FSU don't want to offend their male partners, and be perceived as a 'whore'. There is a lot of pressure to be a good girl, but behind closed doors, nobody knows what goes on (Married men included). I am pretty sure if a married FSUW is not satisfied at home, she is getting it elsewhere, believe me, FSUW are cold hearted killers if they don't get what they want, they will be sure to find it elsewhere, money, sex, whatever it is. Just deliver hahaha
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 25, 2020, 12:53:01 PM
and then the same girl will say that many others failed miserably,
on all different levels.

When you meet a girl who wants you to pursue her
100% of her previous relations didn't work out because
if they did she wouldn't be free or single.

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on December 25, 2020, 01:04:49 PM
When you meet a girl who wants you to pursue her
100% of her previous relations didn't work out because
if they did she wouldn't be free or single.

I wasn't talking about relationship dynamics , rather sexual dynamics did work for some , and didn't work for some. Women tend to feel comfortable talking to me about sex , which helps in knowing what they like and dislike
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on December 25, 2020, 03:04:24 PM
I think sexual prowess of Russian men is as diverse as in any other country. (This is coming from a not-exactly-spring-chicken RU).

What might matter is the age of girls and the age of their previous local partners. It's just my guess but I suspect that if you take an average 18-20 year old gal, most of her previous sexual experiences, if any, would have been with boys her age -I.e. mostly as inexperienced as she is. So unless she's been a sugar baby or just has a preference for older dudes, I think it stands to reason that she has not tried some things, and has not had decent lovers yet. Would 18 year old girls that slept with you when you were 18 say now that you had been their best? Maybe, maybe not.

In addition, I suspect our sexual experiences are sort of a self fulfilling prophecy in the sense that they are shaped by the partners we are attracted to. If someone wants a woman that would be happy to always be second fiddle to her male partner in everything else, it only follows that she'd likely be that way in sex too, and she has likely been like that with her previous partners. So unless her previous partner(s) were interested in something specific, some particular act, she might not have tried it.

As with everything, it's a generalization, and I've had girl friends on a very wide spectrum of sexual experiences, interests, and adventurousness. Very, very different ladies LOL

Seek right and yer shall find right LOL
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: ML on December 25, 2020, 03:40:32 PM
I think sexual prowess of Russian men is as diverse as in any other country. (This is coming from a not-exactly-spring-chicken RU).

What might matter is the age of girls and the age of their previous local partners. It's just my guess but I suspect that if you take an average 18-20 year old gal, most of her previous sexual experiences, if any, would have been with boys her age -I.e. mostly as inexperienced as she is. So unless she's been a sugar baby or just has a preference for older dudes, I think it stands to reason that she has not tried some things, and has not had decent lovers yet. Would 18 year old girls that slept with you when you were 18 say now that you had been their best? Maybe, maybe not.

In addition, I suspect our sexual experiences are sort of a self fulfilling prophecy in the sense that they are shaped by the partners we are attracted to. If someone wants a woman that would be happy to always be second fiddle to her male partner in everything else, it only follows that she'd likely be that way in sex too, and she has likely been like that with her previous partners. So unless her previous partner(s) were interested in something specific, some particular act, she might not have tried it.

As with everything, it's a generalization, and I've had girl friends on a very wide spectrum of sexual experiences, interests, and adventurousness. Very, very different ladies LOL

Seek right and yer shall find right LOL

Sea Salt, you write as a native born USA person with respect to your English skills.
How did that come to be ?
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on December 26, 2020, 02:59:43 AM
I think sexual prowess of Russian men is as diverse as in any other country. (This is coming from a not-exactly-spring-chicken RU).

What might matter is the age of girls and the age of their previous local partners. It's just my guess but I suspect that if you take an average 18-20 year old gal, most of her previous sexual experiences, if any, would have been with boys her age -I.e. mostly as inexperienced as she is. So unless she's been a sugar baby or just has a preference for older dudes, I think it stands to reason that she has not tried some things, and has not had decent lovers yet. Would 18 year old girls that slept with you when you were 18 say now that you had been their best? Maybe, maybe not.

In addition, I suspect our sexual experiences are sort of a self fulfilling prophecy in the sense that they are shaped by the partners we are attracted to. If someone wants a woman that would be happy to always be second fiddle to her male partner in everything else, it only follows that she'd likely be that way in sex too, and she has likely been like that with her previous partners. So unless her previous partner(s) were interested in something specific, some particular act, she might not have tried it.

As with everything, it's a generalization, and I've had girl friends on a very wide spectrum of sexual experiences, interests, and adventurousness. Very, very different ladies LOL

Seek right and yer shall find right LOL


It will be interesting to know your experience with western men, i mean not sexually, but where did you meet western men? In FSU? I am asking because the Western men you find in FSU are not a good representation of typical western men. They are usually a lot weaker in various areas compared to western men that reside in the West.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on December 26, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
Sea Salt, you write as a native born USA person with respect to your English skills.
How did that come to be ?

Thanks for the compliment.

Decent language abilities run in my family, and in my younger years I was lucky enough (and enough of a high achiever) to have had opportunities to study in Europe and the US. It also helps that for the last 20+ years I've been working with a lot of international tech clients, mostly from North America, so there's been continuous exposure.

However... All that business English experience did not help me in rural North Carolina when we stopped at some local greasy spoon to grab a bite to eat, and I understood exactly two words from what the owner said..."chicken" and "fries" LOL

One thing to note also, and this is for the guys who are communicating with ladies whose English is really good (or other foreign language). Don't get too carried away thinking that if she's pretty fluent, she will understand or be able to convey all language nuance, especially when it comes to emotions or relationship "talk". Don't jump to conclusions and get upset/angry/etc. too quickly - ask her to clarify, or word your question or statement differently.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on December 26, 2020, 09:41:08 AM

It will be interesting to know your experience with western men, i mean not sexually, but where did you meet western men? In FSU? I am asking because the Western men you find in FSU are not a good representation of typical western men. They are usually a lot weaker in various areas compared to western men that reside in the West.


The short answer is.... I have been meeting Western men in their natural habitat, that is, in the West LOL.

Mostly business trips lately, where I meet a fairly wide selection of people - although it does skew male/well-off/higher positions. So I'm used to talking business with successful, interesting, usually well-mannered and educated men (women too, but that's not what you asked).

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on December 27, 2020, 01:13:53 AM

The short answer is.... I have been meeting Western men in their natural habitat, that is, in the West LOL.

Mostly business trips lately, where I meet a fairly wide selection of people - although it does skew male/well-off/higher positions. So I'm used to talking business with successful, interesting, usually well-mannered and educated men (women too, but that's not what you asked).


That is really interesting, can you tell us what you noticed the difference between the men , views on their work, outside activities apart from working, views on life etc , a very general comparison (of course people vary greatly). Your input would be greatly appreciated by many on here.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on December 29, 2020, 03:06:31 PM

That is really interesting, can you tell us what you noticed the difference between the men , views on their work, outside activities apart from working, views on life etc , a very general comparison (of course people vary greatly). Your input would be greatly appreciated by many on here.

Generally speaking, I think there are more differences between individual people that between "men of the East" vs "men of the West" as a whole.

However, I do have a couple of observations, which, of course, may or may not be extrapolated onto the men beyond the specific group that I get to meet.

I work in a heavily male-dominated field, and it is pretty noticeable that Western men have much easier time accepting that a woman can be "infringing" on their "rightful domain". With many FSU men, I often feel the undercurrent of a certain disrespect - "how can a woman possibly know what she's talking about". A certain hint of chauvinism, if you will.
I'm not deluding myself and I realize that it's entirely possible some Western men might think the same and they just hide it better LOL

In a sort of the same vein, and this might be just my luck, but I am finding Western men to be generally more supportive of my professional pursuits - and here I'm talking not just about my BF who is never shy to express his respect for my achievements and goals, but also friends and even good professional acquaintances. Again, even if it's just a facade, it sure is a much better one than jealousy and hostility.

On the flip side, I've found FSU men generally more forward with their interest in women - maybe it's the effect of less feminist outlook of many women here, but FSU men generally aren't too shy to approach us. And I normally don't need to teach FSU men to stand up if a lady enters the room while they are sitting, as well as hand her the coat properly, offer her his hand if they happen across an obstacle of any kind, etc. though this is mostly true for somewhat older FSU men, while younger guys (35 and below) are very hit or miss with their manners. Mostly miss LOL

Phew, I have not even written all that much, but I'm already tired - battling a raging Covid infection is not fun and I get exhausted really quickly because of it.
Perhaps I will add more observations later, we shall see :)

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: I/O on December 29, 2020, 03:52:23 PM
SSC, your observations are pretty accurate IME and I'm looking from the flip side I guess.

I recall many years ago I went swimming with a Moldovan lady, we were walking home later and she asked me if was common for Westerners not to carry bags (packages). I don't think a small question ever made me feel so small or out of touch with good manners (the way I had been strictly brought up)..🤭

I quickly took her package and switched to the street side of the sidewalk. I just felt so embarrassed.

My re-found good manners cost me dearly years later when my now wife and I were trying to enter a crowded mini bus. I was holding the door open for my wife and other ladies - I found myself left standing on the sidewalk as the loaded bus departed. My now wife was none too impressed with my overly mannerly approach and made her feelings abundantly clear when we reunited about two hours later. 🤣

The whole phenomenon is a product of the pursuit of so called equality and notwithstanding it's a debate in and of itself, I don't think it's one of the positive outcomes.

I could go on.....
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on December 29, 2020, 05:37:23 PM
Generally speaking, I think there are more differences between individual people that between "men of the East" vs "men of the West" as a whole.

However, I do have a couple of observations, which, of course, may or may not be extrapolated onto the men beyond the specific group that I get to meet.

I work in a heavily male-dominated field, and it is pretty noticeable that Western men have much easier time accepting that a woman can be "infringing" on their "rightful domain". With many FSU men, I often feel the undercurrent of a certain disrespect - "how can a woman possibly know what she's talking about". A certain hint of chauvinism, if you will.
I'm not deluding myself and I realize that it's entirely possible some Western men might think the same and they just hide it better LOL

In a sort of the same vein, and this might be just my luck, but I am finding Western men to be generally more supportive of my professional pursuits - and here I'm talking not just about my BF who is never shy to express his respect for my achievements and goals, but also friends and even good professional acquaintances. Again, even if it's just a facade, it sure is a much better one than jealousy and hostility.

On the flip side, I've found FSU men generally more forward with their interest in women - maybe it's the effect of less feminist outlook of many women here, but FSU men generally aren't too shy to approach us. And I normally don't need to teach FSU men to stand up if a lady enters the room while they are sitting, as well as hand her the coat properly, offer her his hand if they happen across an obstacle of any kind, etc. though this is mostly true for somewhat older FSU men, while younger guys (35 and below) are very hit or miss with their manners. Mostly miss LOL

Phew, I have not even written all that much, but I'm already tired - battling a raging Covid infection is not fun and I get exhausted really quickly because of it.
Perhaps I will add more observations later, we shall see :)

Thanks for the reply, manners is something i learnt from my trips to FSU, i took those back to the West, when dating Western women, helped hahaha.

Can you tell us the differences between courting women for Western and FSU men? Do the men in FSU get you gifts etc? Your insight is very helpful.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: John Gaunt on December 30, 2020, 07:26:03 AM
Quote from: Sea Salt Caramel
Generally speaking, I think there are more differences between individual people that between "men of the East" vs "men of the West" as a whole..................................

Very interesting observations indeed but for now I wish you all the best in fighting off your infection and making a recovery back to good health.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: DCCowboy71 on December 30, 2020, 08:33:49 AM
men to stand up if a lady enters the room while they are sitting, as well as hand her the coat properly, offer her his hand if they happen across an obstacle of any kind, etc.
I guess I always thought this was the norm for US Men. I was raised to act this way by my Grandfather. I have sense raised my son the same way.

Phew, I have not even written all that much, but I'm already tired - battling a raging Covid infection is not fun and I get exhausted really quickly because of it.
Perhaps I will add more observations later, we shall see :)
Can Understand that I went through it back in April
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 30, 2020, 09:55:11 AM
Phew, I have not even written all that much, but I'm already tired - battling a raging Covid infection is not fun and I get exhausted really quickly because of it.
Perhaps I will add more observations later, we shall see :)

You should be careful not to over do it. It might cause you grief later.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Sea Salt Caramel on January 03, 2021, 04:02:55 AM
Hey guys,

Thanks for the well-wishes - I'm still not out of the woods yet but I'm making progress (at least I'd like to hope so LOL)

Below text was edited for brevity, etc. after having been posted:

Cutting to the chase, before the fatigue gets the best of me again, the gifts question. I am not a very good authority to ask this as I never expect to get anything valuable in the monetary sense from the men courting me.

What does make me, personally, look at the man in a favorable light is the ability to surprise me - it does not have to be anything overboard, but something like...mmm...for example, remembering that I mentioned how much i like a specific exotic fruit and then surprising me with it next time we see each other. It wouldn't break a bank to buy that fruit, but it would require, first, remembering my preference, and, second, putting in the legwork or google-fu to find it.

In other words - make it personal, make the lady see that you care for her specifically, that you listen to her and actually hear what she's saying.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: japtats on January 03, 2021, 04:10:38 PM
Hey guys,

Thanks for the well-wishes - I'm still not out of the woods yet but I'm making progress (at least I'd like to hope so LOL)

Below text was edited for brevity, etc. after having been posted:

Cutting to the chase, before the fatigue gets the best of me again, the gifts question. I am not a very good authority to ask this as I never expect to get anything valuable in the monetary sense from the men courting me.

What does make me, personally, look at the man in a favorable light is the ability to surprise me - it does not have to be anything overboard, but something like...mmm...for example, remembering that I mentioned how much i like a specific exotic fruit and then surprising me with it next time we see each other. It wouldn't break a bank to buy that fruit, but it would require, first, remembering my preference, and, second, putting in the legwork or google-fu to find it.

In other words - make it personal, make the lady see that you care for her specifically, that you listen to her and actually hear what she's saying.

Thanks, only issue is it takes a bit of homework to find that. When i approach dating, i usually message someone on tinder, shortly after few messages, i arrange a date within few days, or the same day. Women generally understand what i am after, as i am very direct , and ask direct yes or no questions. Issue is what i am after, a lot of women want to give, but can't freely trust a man , as they had negative experiences. A lot of men don't deliver, and talk very freely about their promises.

I know a few guys get women luxurious items before anything sexual happens. I think like myself, we just don't want to waste so much time with talking, and rather roll up our sleeves, give a little gift (in my case $15 perfume), and set a tone on the first date, that we are willing to play ball, if they play ball.

I did ask my girlfriend, some guys even ask to split the bill in Ukraine, some guy got her gifts, one was an Italian man in italy who got her the latest phone before the relationship turned sexual. I know my ex fiance, after we split, some guys got her some gifts, she was in Moscow, the guy she dated promised her she would never need to cook, he would order food, he would get her a car, etc all on the first date. In the end it was all just a bunch of crap from his side, she cheated on him with a 24 year old guy, who had oligarch roots, who flew down from Paris to Moscow, to spend a few days with her, and got her a Gucci Perfume for their first date.

Difference between the 24 year old, and her boyfriend, was the 24 year old had money, her boyfriend had a good job, was good, but wasn't a big boy lie he made himself out to be. H also tried to dodge a $300 medical bill, she never asked him to pay it, he just never paid it. She was cleaning floors, cooking for him, and he was getting mad at her because her university shutdown, so he wanted her to go work as a Nurse during Corona (she was training to be a Dr at top university, now might be going to London, on a scholarship). I told her not to cheat on her boyfriend, and focus on him, till i realised he was full of shit, which i dislike in people, talking crap about stuff they will do , and have no intention of delivering.

So women are sceptical, as a lot of men talk, but not many act if that makes sense. And some men who like the old way of doing things in a relationship/marriage, are in a minefield.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 29, 2021, 08:21:15 AM
I think this is all part of the general attitude of FSU women that it is their job to
insure that their man is satisfied sexually at all times.  It seems to be a cultural
thing that is passed down from grandmothers, to mothers to daughters, etc.

This is my experinece.  Your experiences may differ.  But I doubt that many here
can honestly say that they have had as much experience as I have had with FSU
women.

Albert makes this point early in the thread, I thought that I would point out that
it's been my experience too.

Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: GQBlues on March 29, 2021, 10:49:42 AM
Albert makes this point early in the thread, I thought that I would point out that
it's been my experience too.


Women's perspective, attitude or what-not with casual sex, either within or out of a relationship, is the same regardless of nationality. Physiologically speaking, all women are biologically wired the same way.


I've had more pins in a US and global map than anyone I know, so I doubt my experience in this is wrong.
Title: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 29, 2021, 12:52:10 PM

Women's perspective, attitude or what-not with casual sex, either within or out of a relationship, is the same regardless of nationality. Physiologically speaking, all women are biologically wired the same way.

I've had more pins in a US and global map than anyone I know, so I doubt my experience in this is wrong.
I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Women's bodies and brains have the same wiring in the US as their sisters in the FSU
but their attitudes are NOT the same. It's not even remotely the same from one women
in a College dorm in Oregon with the girl from across the hall in her Oregon dorm. The
attitude of the woman who decides to let you inside her knickers affects the experience,
you could argue with me but you would be wrong.   ;)


"Ninety percent of this game is half mental." Yogi Berra
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: GQBlues on March 29, 2021, 01:02:09 PM
I'm not sure what you are talking about.


No doubt.  :P

Quote
Women's bodies and brains have the same wiring in the US as their sisters in the FSU
but their attitudes are NOT the same. It's not even remotely the same from one women
in a College dorm in Oregon with the girl from across the hall in her Oregon dorm. The
attitude of the woman who decides to let you inside her knickers affects the experience,
you could argue with me but you would be wrong.   ;)


Oh I'm sure from a man's perspective, more especially experience, there's a difference. Again, IME, zero difference.

Quote
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental." Yogi Berra


Therein lies the confusion. Bottom line, I for one, never subscribed to all the silly myths propped up about *FSUW*. But that's just me. YMMV.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on March 29, 2021, 02:10:04 PM
Therein lies the confusion. Bottom line, I for one, never subscribed to all the silly myths
propped up about *FSUW*. But that's just me. YMMV.

What myths? That each woman is different, sorta like a snowflake?
That's a myth? Or Real?
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: GQBlues on March 29, 2021, 03:28:51 PM
What myths? That each woman is different, sorta like a snowflake?
That's a myth? Or Real?


For one, FSUWs are more feminine, more family-oriented, etc...there's enough of that junk-talk in this site and others.


Which, and one should never forget, that these jargon mostly come from a certain 'subset' of men searching in MOB-regions.


Women are women, IMO.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: ML on March 29, 2021, 06:54:29 PM
I have limited experience with American women, but a lot of experience with FSU women and a good amount of experience with Japanese and Filipina women
And I, like most here, get a lot of info from American men about American women.

True, there is considerable difference across women within the same nation and culture.

However, I conclude that for the 'average' woman in each nation, there is a difference between nations with respect to taking care of their men in ordinary activities and in sexual activities.

FSU women in general are more concerned compared to American women that their man is taken care of with respect to meals, appropriate clothing and cleanliness for the occasion, comfort when relaxing in the chair or bed, and sexual satisfaction.
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 01, 2021, 06:38:21 PM

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental." Yogi Berra

As an aside. I had an occasion many years ago to meet one of Yogi Berra's nephews and he shared a story. He said when he was a teen he was lying on Yogi's couch watching Rio Lobo. Yogi walked into the room and stopped, stared at the tv for a minute or so and said " ah, John Wayne. He made that movie before he was dead"
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: 2tallbill on April 02, 2021, 01:32:48 PM
As an aside. I had an occasion many years ago to meet one of Yogi Berra's nephews and he shared a story. He said when he was a teen he was lying on Yogi's couch watching Rio Lobo. Yogi walked into the room and stopped, stared at the tv for a minute or so and said " ah, John Wayne. He made that movie before he was dead"

Yogi Berra has a half dozen quotes that I use all the time.

Here are a few classics,
It’s like déjà vu all over again
You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you are going, because you might not get there.
Little League baseball is a very good thing because it keeps the parents off the streets.




 
Title: Re: RW Having Sex just for Fun?
Post by: Faux Pas on April 02, 2021, 02:03:13 PM
Yogi Berra has a half dozen quotes that I use all the time.

Here are a few classics,
It’s like déjà vu all over again
You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you are going, because you might not get there.
Little League baseball is a very good thing because it keeps the parents off the streets.

A dime ain't worth a nickle anymore

That place is too busy. Nobody eats there anymore.