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Yesterday I registered at anastasiadate.com for another experiment - see if it beat my previous experiment 110 unopened mails in 7 days at $10 per letter!
All I did was my username, password and my date of birth - NOTHING ELSE - no photo
Today end of Day 1: 10 messages (this time 1st letter FREE!)
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Yesterday I registered at anastasiadate.com for another experiment - see if it beat my previous experiment 110 unopened mails in 7 days at $10 per letter!
All I did was my username, password and my date of birth - NOTHING ELSE - no photo
Today end of Day 1: 10 messages (this time 1st letter FREE!)
at 6pm Day 2: 23 messages (lol)
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ADate has a policy that you can receive up to 30 messages a day. It is an automated function. But I am sure you have exceptional popularity. Especially if your wallet is open. :popcorn:
What did you expect?
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What was your username ? fool_with_money ? :P
I'd be curious if obviously western usernames get the same response rate as nonsensical ones.. eg;
do they love "billybob" as much as they love "jhkw634" ... or in other words, are humans doing this, or is the scam totally automated... but then I also wonder what chairs would look like if our knees bent the other way, I'm curious like that.
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ADate has a policy that you can receive up to 30 messages a day. It is an automated function. But I am sure you have exceptional popularity. Especially if your wallet is open. :popcorn:
What did you expect?
My next experiment (next week) will be registered a new ID with different e-mail but with details and photos and see if I can receive maximum lol
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What was your username ? fool_with_money ? :P
I'd be curious if obviously western usernames get the same response rate as nonsensical ones.. eg;
do they love "billybob" as much as they love "jhkw634" ... or in other words, are humans doing this, or is the scam totally automated... but then I also wonder what chairs would look like if our knees bent the other way, I'm curious like that.
They don't have username. I logged in as my e-mail (not main ones). Username is the email address
Guarnatee a scam. Why would they write 'lengthy' copy-and-paste-letters without my photos, most importantly without my details ?? Obviously the agencies are doing the work !!!
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All I know that UADREAMS.com is far more genuine than Anastasiadate.com
For 2 months joining without my photo and 'small' details - only 1 lady managed to write me; and no one wanted to invite me for a chat
Since I put my photo in and only little more details, I have had many ladies writing to me, but MOST of them wanted to invite me for a chat; and MOST of them do not bother to look at my profile as they only saw my photo !!!
But, is Uadreams very genuine is the question??? 50%-50%
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Not sure what the point of your experiment is if you already know that the site is just one big money sucking scam? :rolleyes:
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They don't have username. I logged in as my e-mail (not main ones). Username is the email address
Guarnatee a scam. Why would they write 'lengthy' copy-and-paste-letters without my photos, most importantly without my details ?? Obviously the agencies are doing the work !!!
well of course it's a scam, I guess the crux of my curiosity is, is it totally automated, or are there actual humans doing the copy pasting.. but again, just a curiosity I have no actual interest in finding a website like this, good or bad.
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We have a number of users on here much more familiar with ADate than I am. For instance, Alex330 married a beautiful woman who used to work at one of the agencies. Jumper, too, married a gorgeous woman who also used to work for an agency that contributed to ADate.
The letters sent out, as primer letters (to get your attention) are totally automated. Once in the queue (in other words that the letter is written) the letter goes into a rotating distribution system. It cannot go out to more than a certain number of (male) users per day. I don't recall the number. Alex probably would.
Perhaps the most analysis on these sites, though, was done by our friend Jay, who has purposely interviewed as many chat site girls as is humanly possible. All to understand the scientific angles of MOB distribution systems.
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Is this OP same one that asked how to be deleted from this forum?
Maybe this is the ghost from CDW past.....
Anyways, since you like experiments, climb up a tree and drop a rock, does it go up or down?
Since you are fascinated, I am sure( or just bored) try another, get a bigger rock and drop it from the tree , which way does it go?? :o
Since I am bored looking at my sexy self......I wonder how many girls are 'experimenting' on these sites also??? 8)
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But, is Uadreams very genuine is the question??
Not in my opinion.
Of course i don't consider any current agency very legit in Ukraine.
I assume them all shady at best, out right scam at worst.
I'm certainly open to being shown that this a bad assumption.
After years I've yet to see any reason to amend my thoughts.
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see if it beat my previous experiment 110 unopened mails in 7 days at $10 per letter!
at 6pm Day 2: 23 messages
You saved 230.00 after just two days.
I think after 10 days you will have enough money to actually buy plane tickets to travel to Ukraine. When do you plan to go? Are you going to meet any of the scammers?....just to show them what they are missing out on?
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You saved 230.00 after just two days.
I think after 10 days you will have enough money to actually buy plane tickets to travel to Ukraine. When do you plan to go? Are you going to meet any of the scammers?....just to show them what they are missing out on?
:ROFL:
He could have opened all 23 messages and not paid a penny.......what's the point of experiment ?
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Anyway my e-mail had been hacked by someone - could it be from Anastasia ?????
Good job I have never used my main e-mail for any dating sites!!
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You saved 230.00 after just two days.
I think after 10 days you will have enough money to actually buy plane tickets to travel to Ukraine. When do you plan to go? Are you going to meet any of the scammers?....just to show them what they are missing out on?
This time it is FREE 1st letter - unlike the last time I had an experiment.
23 letters - at least I could use a good read for FREE :D
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OLGA CHERNAYA ID #1120199
Watch out guys!!!
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The letters sent out, as primer letters (to get your attention) are totally automated. Once in the queue (in other words that the letter is written) the letter goes into a rotating distribution system. It cannot go out to more than a certain number of (male) users per day. I don't recall the number. Alex probably would.
Yes, the initial letters are all form letters that are automated. Not sure on the limitations, but for chat requests each woman used to have to load up the profiles of 30 male clients for it to work.
One of the girls that used to work with my wife sent her an email the other day complaining that AD had once again added her to their database even though she had been removed for fraud. After weeks of complaining they did finally remove her, but shows you how well their screening process works....
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OLGA CHERNAYA ID #1120199
Watch out guys!!!
Tell us your story!
Note: We can tell by the ID that she has been on ADate for over four years. That is an immediate red flag.
Welcome to the discussion.
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OLGA CHERNAYA ID #1120199
Watch out guys!!!
I don't understand. Is something wrong with you or your granddaughter?
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Thanks Muzh,
So let me get this straight........
Do you think that when the girl says to me: "Dear, age is only a number!"
And the fact that I am 52 and she is 32: "Means nothing to her!"
Do you think that she may not be being completely honest with me?
Really? Oh no - say it isn't so!!!
Are you trying to suggest that I am an old naive fool????
Ouch......
Mate, thanks for the razor sharp insight. I think most of us "grandfathers" go in with eyes wide open.
It is the journey don't you know. Not the destination. Train wreck though this was.
Can't wait to board the next one! You never know what might happen. Can't sit on the sofa all day right?
Cheers
Anthony
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Mate, thanks for the razor sharp insight. I think most of us "grandfathers" go in with eyes wide open.
Obviously, you didn't. It's better to learn from this one, assuming you didn't marry her, than repeating the same mistake, right?
It is the journey don't you know. Not the destination. Train wreck though this was.
Can't wait to board the next one! You never know what might happen. Can't sit on the sofa all day right?
Cheers
Anthony
It seems to me you are enjoying the "ride" so, what was the purpose of plastering her picture here? Notch in the old gun? <wink wink>
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Hey, Muzh, old boy.
If you shoot the guy down BEFORE he tells his story, you never get any of the details. Personally, I enjoy living vicariously occasionally.
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Hi Jone,
Well, the story.......
I got - what I understand now to be the standard "letter of introduction" from Olya.
She told me that it was : "Intuition".....that "forced her" to write to me. Compelling - right???
So......guess what? I wrote back...
And so began a 12 month journey of chats and 4 visits to Odessa during this period.
Do not panic, I am a surgeon living in Denmark. Not a long flight to Odessa. And happy to make the trip - my dad is from the Ukraine - so the country has some meaning for me.
Anyway - last visit ended with an evening at Ibiza Nightclub - some meaningful tongue kissing and all seemed well with the world.
Until......I get the tip from a mate in Sydney that he has spotted the fair Olga on: Online - Dating - Ukraine. And by all accounts - she was there: "LOOKING FOR HER OTHER HALF. AND HE NEEDED TO BE SINCERE AND HONEST ETC, ETC....." OHHHHHH BROTHER.........
Anyway....Curiosity has been my master for many years. So I began to think. Hmmmmmmm. All those long delays on the Chat Line over these many months.......whilst she contemplated the answer to complex questions like: "How are you doing today?" I wonder what is going on there.....
So, to cut to the chase. Had a friend log in and chat to Olga at the same time I was (real JAMES BOND stuff!!!). We both asked her if she was talking to anyone else at the same time......
"NO DEAR - ONLY YOU!!!!"
SPRUNG!!!!!
Obviously, I had one or two questions for her regarding this. OH MAN......her indignation at being caught. I was accused of playing: "DIRTY TRICKS ON HER!" Me on her.....??????
Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease.......I should not say this....But it was hysterical. Her fury with me was palpable. But.....what's a poor boy to do. To catch a thief you.....you know!
So the fair Olga likes a little bit of : "double dipping". Get two guys (who knows - maybe more) chatting simultaneously. She keeps them waiting on line chewing up their credits as she responds to the other interested player - double the activity, double the turnover and double Olga's return for the night. It is not rocket science. Such a grubby little trick though when you are asked point blank if this is the little scam you are playing and the answer is a poker-faced: "NO DEAR - I ONLY TALK WITH YOU."
So that is the story. We live and learn. Do not get me started on the family photos of her with her mum and dad around the Christmas tree being sent to my private email address at Christmas time. Meanwhile she is happily chatting away with all comers. What goes on in their minds I wonder?
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You are the direct victim of an Agency Chat Girl. Some of us here have sat down with them and understand their whole sordid business.
I am glad it was a cheap lesson and didn't involve deciding who got the silverware.
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OK, you have my interest.
She is a "chat girl". But she does exist, I have been with her.......
But I get the feeling they sit around with us "handsome, wise westerners" whilst they wait for
a nice Ukraine gentleman to pop up.
What pearls did you glean from your discussions with the "little darlings"?
I am here for an education!
Cheers
Anthony
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To be more specific, she is an agency chat/ Pro-dater.
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Hi Muzh,
Good question. I just like the photo.
Is it not nicer to get some visuals along with the story?
The worst lectures are the ones with no slides - right?
Cheers
Anthony
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Anthony, it is perfectly OK for a gal to be writing to, chatting with, and going on dates with two or more guys during the same time period.
Just the same as it is OK for guys to be doing the same things.
Everything is fair right up to the moment an engagement is proposed and accepted.
And, just as the gal shouldn't be asking the guy if he is writing, chatting and visiting to gals other than herself . . . the guy shouldn't be asking such questions either.
On another note: given your Father . . . I am surprised you said 'the Ukraine.'
Best to you in your endeavors. :)
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Hi ML,
Thanks for that.
Good point. I visited: "UKRAINE". Most readers I think don't appreciate the subtlety. I think you know what I am talking about.
Fair call on the : "I don't ask and you don't ask" policy.
Up to the point where you are suspected of wasting a man's time and he does ask you a fairly straightforward question; and she responds with a point blank lie to me in response. A man who has spent the time to visit you 4 times. Maybe our parents raised us differently.
I will underline this with the observation that: Olga questioned me about my activity on the chat line on more than one occasion. You can see I have logged on here with my real name and my own picture. I do not hide behind avatars. I live a big and open and honest life. Taught to do so by my dad. I always told Olga the truth.
So for a man like Anthony Oliver - the sort of bullshit I was being fed just can't be swallowed.
No problem with your thoughts and opinions. Hope you can understand mine.
Best wishes
Anthony
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Anthony,
Ignore the snide remark made earlier to you by another poster about the age difference between you and Olga the paid chat girl.
I have a very good friend from Denmark,now living in England,who is 52 and happily married with his 25 year old wife.
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Hi ML,
Thanks for that.
Good point. I visited: "UKRAINE". Most readers I think don't appreciate the subtlety. I think you know what I am talking about.
Fair call on the : "I don't ask and you don't ask" policy.
Up to the point where you are suspected of wasting a man's time and he does ask you a fairly straightforward question; and she responds with a point blank lie to me in response. A man who has spent the time to visit you 4 times. Maybe our parents raised us differently.
I will underline this with the observation that: Olga questioned me about my activity on the chat line on more than one occasion. You can see I have logged on here with my real name and my own picture. I do not hide behind avatars. I live a big and open and honest life. Taught to do so by my dad. I always told Olga the truth.
So for a man like Anthony Oliver - the sort of bullshit I was being fed just can't be swallowed.
No problem with your thoughts and opinions. Hope you can understand mine.
Best wishes
Anthony
Hi A. O.
That was an interesting story, thanks for telling it and providing the visual. So now that you are past all of that, what do you intend to do? It seems to me that what you were doing was paying to chat? Is that correct? Prior to meeting my wife, (Different Region), we webcammed all the time without cost. I wouldn't go the route of paying each time I chatted. I think there are quite a few sites out there that you can meet ladies and chat for just a start up fee, or for free.
Good luck,
Fathertime!
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Hello FT,
Thanks for that.
Well......I am not a stubborn man. Feel free to point me in the right direction.
Cheers
Anthony
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Hello FT,
Thanks for that.
Well......I am not a stubborn man. Feel free to point me in the right direction.
Cheers
Anthony
Hey Anthony, the right direction for me was South America, so I can't give you a good reference in Ukraine/Russia....I also used Anastasia back in 2005...I avoided all the letter writing and just went on the tour. There are quite a few members here that have a great deal of experience and could give you some good ideas.
Good luck,
Fathertime!
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Hi Chelseaboy,
Good lad. Thanks.
Anthony
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AO, try this link:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0)
This has many of the recommended sites you want.
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Cheers FT
I wait in patient silence.
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Get a subscription to Elena's Models. (Short Answer)
You don't have time to figure out all the nuances of ADate and who is real and who is not.
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Good man
Thanks
Anthony
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Hi JONE,
Yes "Elena's Models" seems to be a recurring theme with respect to where one's time is best spent in the pursuit of happiness. Or just the pursuit! SHALL DO.
Cheers
Anthony
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Thanks mate,
Should keep me busy for a while.
Best wishes
AnthonyAO, try this link:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0)
This has many of the recommended sites you want.
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Welcome to the forum Anthony,
Thanks for finding the "quote" button in your last post. It makes it easier for readers to follow who you're replying to.
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Anthony,
:welcome:
I like your attitude. Have you seen RWD's Ten Commandments?
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34
Did you break any commandments?
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AO/
It is important to know that the gals who sit around all day talking to Western men are getting paid to do so. This concept is called PPC or Pay Per Chat. There are agencies all through Ukraine that recruit women as a second job. It is originally called "Translator" type jobs. But in the end, it is simply that the more money they get you to spend, the more they make.
A 'subscription' site, like Elena's charges you a monthly fee. Then the amount that you talk or exchange information is up to you. On a site like ADate, information exchange is carefully monitored and the women will only infrequently give you direct access to themselves.
On a thread I started today, I mention that an ADate gal was willing to translate our relationship to Skype. That is a big move as it deprives the local agency of an ongoing revenue stream. If you look at the pictures I put up, this gal would generate between $1000 to $1200 (USD) per month for the agency in revenue. They fought us, tooth and nail, to keep her profile up after we started dating. I caught them using it while she wasn't available and my gal was finally convinced that they were using her image to solicit chat minutes.
You should know that PPC gals are VERY sophisticated in how they communicate with you. There is a short dossier of who the gal is (occupation, family members, favorite things, hobbies). Then the recent conversations that they have had with you can be displayed. Why is this? So ANYONE (including hairy Boris) can talk to you, stating that HE/SHE is really your girlfriend. The only way to discover whether it is her is to ask personal questions that you talked about away from the Chat Site.
That is why, when using a PPC site, it is always important to see the gal and have her smile upon your command or touch her ear or do something to prove that you are not watching a video loop of the gal. Finally, she may still be (as with you) a pro-dater. This is someone who will go out with you when you come to her city and act like your girlfriend. How can you tell she is a pro-dater? Well, usually she has a translator with her that is charging you something like $20 per hour. Most likely she will direct you to a place that charges an inordinate amount of money for a meal, part of which, eventually, is kicked back to the agency or the woman.
A typical afternoon spent 'Hosting' a Western man will net a woman around $50.00 (USD). That is not bad work for an afternoon in Ukraine where the woman is being wined and dined. As a side note, when you showed us the picture, I wondered right away who was taking the photo. Was it a 'paid translator'?
Anyway, that is my two cents on your former experiences.
Good luck.
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Hey Anthony, the right direction for me was South America
FT, Your comment on South America made me think of a TV show I watched last week. "Modern Family" is the name of the show. Funny sitcom. Maybe you have seen? The character Gloria is a hot Colombian 40 something wife of a 60 something American man. I can see why you went south.
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Hi JONE,
Yes "Elena's Models" seems to be a recurring theme with respect to where one's time is best spent in the pursuit of happiness. Or just the pursuit! SHALL DO.
Cheers
Anthony
A bachelor is someone who believes in Life, Liberty and the Happiness of Pursuit.
A husband (Muzh) is a man who lost his Liberty in the Pursuit of Happiness.
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Anthony,
Ignore the snide remark made earlier to you by another poster about the age difference between you and Olga the paid chat girl.
I have a very good friend from Denmark,now living in England,who is 52 and happily married with his 25 year old wife.
I think we all know huge age gap marriages that have worked. There are a very few that actually stand the test of time. That's okay even for the ones that don't as long as the guy and gal have their eyes wide open to the failure rate and that usually or often, when the young philly says "I do" that she actually "I doesn't". Would you agree? BTW, how long has your friend the Dane been married to his young lady?
Welcome to RWD Anthony! All potshots aren't meant to embarrass or shame you. Many you'll encounter here on these boards are meant to cause to pause and think. All is not what it seems.
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Everything is fair right up to the moment an engagement is proposed and accepted.
I disagree. If a persons word is no good.....what good is an engagement?
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FT, Your comment on South America made me think of a TV show I watched last week. "Modern Family" is the name of the show. Funny sitcom. Maybe you have seen? The character Gloria is a hot Colombian 40 something wife of a 60 something American man. I can see why you went south.
Hey PITR,
Yeah my wife is from the same city as Sofia Vergara...she likes that show but I have only watched it for a few minutes here and there..(always when Vergara is on the screen)... They look pretty incredible down south, I think it is a completely different breed from what the FSU men are used to, or perhaps even interested in.
Fathertime!
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AO/
Dear Jone,
Where have you been all my life?
Thanks buddy.
To be perfectly honest with you, I sort of picked up on the various kickbacks that were in operation as we toured the fine restaurants of Odessa.
I am by no means Bill Gates, but I am a successful Maxillofacial Surgeon here in Denmark and the money spent along the way, I just put down to part of : "Life's rich tapestry".
What I cannot abide, however, is point blank lies. That annoys me no end. I think you understand me. Keep in touch. I appreciate that was a long note you sent and thankyou for the time spent.
Best wishes
Anthony
It is important to know that the gals who sit around all day talking to Western men are getting paid to do so. This concept is called PPC or Pay Per Chat. There are agencies all through Ukraine that recruit women as a second job. It is originally called "Translator" type jobs. But in the end, it is simply that the more money they get you to spend, the more they make.
A 'subscription' site, like Elena's charges you a monthly fee. Then the amount that you talk or exchange information is up to you. On a site like ADate, information exchange is carefully monitored and the women will only infrequently give you direct access to themselves.
On a thread I started today, I mention that an ADate gal was willing to translate our relationship to Skype. That is a big move as it deprives the local agency of an ongoing revenue stream. If you look at the pictures I put up, this gal would generate between $1000 to $1200 (USD) per month for the agency in revenue. They fought us, tooth and nail, to keep her profile up after we started dating. I caught them using it while she wasn't available and my gal was finally convinced that they were using her image to solicit chat minutes.
You should know that PPC gals are VERY sophisticated in how they communicate with you. There is a short dossier of who the gal is (occupation, family members, favorite things, hobbies). Then the recent conversations that they have had with you can be displayed. Why is this? So ANYONE (including hairy Boris) can talk to you, stating that HE/SHE is really your girlfriend. The only way to discover whether it is her is to ask personal questions that you talked about away from the Chat Site.
That is why, when using a PPC site, it is always important to see the gal and have her smile upon your command or touch her ear or do something to prove that you are not watching a video loop of the gal. Finally, she may still be (as with you) a pro-dater. This is someone who will go out with you when you come to her city and act like your girlfriend. How can you tell she is a pro-dater? Well, usually she has a translator with her that is charging you something like $20 per hour. Most likely she will direct you to a place that charges an inordinate amount of money for a meal, part of which, eventually, is kicked back to the agency or the woman.
A typical afternoon spent 'Hosting' a Western man will net a woman around $50.00 (USD). That is not bad work for an afternoon in Ukraine where the woman is being wined and dined. As a side note, when you showed us the picture, I wondered right away who was taking the photo. Was it a 'paid translator'?
Anyway, that is my two cents on your former experiences.
Good luck.
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Welcome to the forum Anthony,
Thanks Billy,
Good to see and old dog learning new tricks - right?
Cheers mate
Anthony
Thanks for finding the "quote" button in your last post. It makes it easier for readers to follow who you're replying to.
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Anthony,
Gator,
Hello to you - whoever you are.
Now, let me do this sequentially:
1. NOPE
2. WELL.....HARD TO SAY! DID I?
OOPS. I am forever breaking things. God damn it!
Will check them out tomorrow and see. If I have - um.....is there some sort of fine?
Cheers
Anthony
:welcome:
I like your attitude. Have you seen RWD's Ten Commandments?
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34
Did you break any commandments?
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Anthony,
After hitting the quote link, be sure to type outside the quote.
What I cannot abide, however, is point blank lies. That annoys me no end.
"Point blank lies" bother you, but not subtle deceit? Example of deceit - pretending to be interested in you, taking you to expensive places where she may get a kickback,...
As you read more about FSUW, you will encounter phrases such as "three date rule," and "you will know when a FSU woman likes you." These phrases are self-explanatory. They are valuable guidelines.
And experienced men know to extend their scam antennae when a FSUW writes first, says age is just a number, resides in Odessa, is on a pay-by-the letter site, etc.
Stay around please.
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AO /
Thanks for the warm response. When you quote something, go below the lowest quote mark to begin typing and then your response will be separated from the quote. As of now, you are writing in the middle of someone else's quote.
I agree with Gator. A site like this can be addictive and provide enough insight to you that you will have no problem finding and wedding the woman of your dreams. So, please, hang around.
As a preview, I have put two chapters up today of a summer trip report. I will not spoil the ending, but you will enjoy it, I can assure you.
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Hi Muzh,
Good question. I just like the photo.
Is it not nicer to get some visuals along with the story?
The worst lectures are the ones with no slides - right?
Cheers
Anthony
I like you AO.
Thick skin is good.
You don't care what others say so you must be a turtle. I hope. I believe Neil Armstrong, or was it Buzz Aldrin who was or were a turtle. Seriously, this is NOT something derrogatory.
Nope, it was Wally Schirra, but I digress.
Anyway, welcome and listen to some of the guys. They've been "around the block" a couple of times and know the tricks of the trade. They are a wealth of knowledge.
And my apologies for the ribbing. I had you wrong.
Peace.
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I like you AO.
Thick skin is good.
You don't care what others say so you must be a turtle. I hope. I believe Neil Armstrong, or was it Buzz Aldrin who was or were a turtle. Seriously, this is NOT something derrogatory.
Nope, it was Wally Schirra, but I digress.
Anyway, welcome and listen to some of the guys. They've been "around the block" a couple of times and know the tricks of the trade. They are a wealth of knowledge.
And my apologies for the ribbing. I had you wrong.
Peace.
Muzh,
I like a bit of ribbing. You know at my age my skin is not only thick, but starting to get a few more wrinkles.
I think I am starting to get the hang of things here. Took me 24 hours!
Yes - I think there are some wise heads here. So I will be listening intently.
Cheers ;D
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Muzh,
I like a bit of ribbing. You know at my age my skin is not only thick, but starting to get a few more wrinkles.
Perhaps you need to broaden your practice as a maxillofacial surgeon and give yourself a nip and tuck.
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Hello ANTHONY OLIVER and WELCOME.
Here’s what I think …
You told us that you had some ‘meaningful tongue kissing’ with this girl on your 4th trip to Odessa to meet her. My extraordinary powers of deduction suggest to me that you had not had sex with this woman. If I am correct then most of the ‘problem’ here is you and even if I’m wrong, my conclusion doesn’t change.
… that’s what I think. 8)
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Perhaps you need to broaden your practice as a maxillofacial surgeon and give yourself a nip and tuck.
Hi Gator,
Mate, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. But we are anywhere between 6 and 10 hours ahead of you guys. So I am often sleeping when you are writing....
Yes......I think you may be right. Time for a bit of the old: "sharp cure of the surgeons cold blade."
Might try botox first.
But hang on, did I mention to you that I have been chatting with Tamara from ODESSA (I know, I know........). And she told me that she really loved the little wrinkles around my eyes when I smile. Wasn't that sweet???? She thinks I look very distinguished. I am pretty sure she also said I was handsome.
So perhaps I best leave the "masterpiece" alone for a little while longer.
Cheers buddy
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AO /
Thanks for the warm response. When you quote something, go below the lowest quote mark to begin typing and then your response will be separated from the quote. As of now, you are writing in the middle of someone else's quote.
I agree with Gator. A site like this can be addictive and provide enough insight to you that you will have no problem finding and wedding the woman of your dreams. So, please, hang around.
As a preview, I have put two chapters up today of a summer trip report. I will not spoil the ending, but you will enjoy it, I can assure you.
Hi Jone,
Well....I have enjoyed your summer trip report greatly. I look forward to the next instalment.
In the interim.....maybe you can help???
I have successfully downloaded images beginning with: IMG and DSC....
But some others seem to fail - "too much memory being used" or some such...
Does not compute....
Anyway...I will begin a small thread of my own today. Vinvinny has given me a very candid assessment of what he feels about my tale. So I will start to share a little more of my adventure. Would be nice to attach some pics of the journey. So let me know what to do. Or anyone else interested in helping a poor old man.
Cheers
Anthony
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Upload your pictures onto a photo website, like photobucket (or even facebook) and then copy the URL.
You can use the little Mona Lisa button in your editing field above and insert the picture URL into the brackets, and, Boom! There's your picture in your thread.
Don't worry. We all had to learn it. Keep it up!
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Don't worry. We all had to learn it. Keep it up!
Ahem!!
Keep it for the locker room.
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Hello ANTHONY OLIVER and WELCOME.
Here’s what I think …
You told us that you had some ‘meaningful tongue kissing’ with this girl on your 4th trip to Odessa to meet her. My extraordinary powers of deduction suggest to me that you had not had sex with this woman. If I am correct then most of the ‘problem’ here is you and even if I’m wrong, my conclusion doesn’t change.
… that’s what I think. 8)
Hi VinVinny,
Sorry for the delay in the reply. I am on a different time zone to most of you guys, so it is not indifference just a matter of life (and time zones).
Now....
Absolutely correct - no sex with Olga. My hand, however, remains my constant companion.
I am happy to give you a rundown of my experience with Olga and if you have something further you would like to add - great! I think the idea of the forum is to tell your story and then get feedback. Sometimes, of course, I will not be happy with what I hear. But - so be it. I come seeking knowledge.
So you know about the standard "letter of introduction" that I ( and I guess more that a few others ) received from Olga.
And so began - my journey into hell. Oops - I mean......so began some letter writing and photo exchange. I live in Denmark as you know (I think) - so it is only a short flight for me over to Odessa.
First visit about two months after we started communicating. I don't like to stand around!!!!
Now....this was my maiden voyage. As I think back, I honestly had no real expectations. I was not especially nervous. Just curious. To be honest - I was excited most about the fact I would be soon putting my feet on Ukraine soil, because my dad is Ukrainian - still alive living in Australia. So, I sort of came from there.
I stayed at the Bristol Hotel. Very nice. Recently refurbished. Mattress a bit hard for me. But otherwise happy. Good gym and spa. Food pretty good. The lady who cleaned my room each day had a twinkle in her eye. And I could not help wonder - " Have I ever chatted with you on Anastasia......"
I met Olga for coffee with her translator (Victoria) at the Hotel. The kiss on each cheek thing - and we are off and racing ladies and gentlemen.
Lunch at the Verandah Restaurant. Not too shabby at all!! Off to a fairly rundown museum of (ironically enough) Modern Art. However, wonderful paintings and sculptures. I love the arts. And by the time we had finished I had art coming out of my arse.
Anyway........I think they were trying to tire me out; because......quicker than you could say: "The Odessa Dolphinarium" - that is exactly where I found myself.
I must say - it was cool. Great show. And I love dolphins. They are delicious in sushi!!!
NOTE TO SELF: I LIKE IT HERE IN THE LAND OF MY FATHER'S BIRTH.
Now, dear reader, I am a busy person with my work. I teach and operate at Esbjerg University Hospital here in Denmark. Long days and heavy committments. So I only had Friday and Saturday in Odessa with Olga. Then back on Sunday for work on Monday.
This pattern repeated itself over the next two visits. With a ramping up of our private email communication and photo exchanges. I even started to get some pictures of her with her mum and dad. CHEEPERS CREEPERS!!!!!! This gal is starting to get pretty serious!!!! Right????? Is this a familiar theme guys????? Some of you are smiling - I can feel it.
Anyway. Olga was (and doubtless still is) a lovely woman. In a curious sort of way.
END OF THIRD VISIT: THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO - HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I am with Olga on the morning of my last day before heading home. The discussion took on a serious tone. Olga (through Victoria naturally) indicated to me that she really would like to improve here English to: "Help with our communication." Fair enough thought I. And.......if: "I was willing to help her with this, she would be willing to make the effort for us to get closer" - and that is pretty much verbatim. Once again dear reader, ringing any bells?????
Now........upon my return home I opened my emails and, low and behold, a message from Olga.
The gist of which was: "I could simply send the money to her via WESTERN UNION......"
UH OH...........WARNING, WARNING - DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!!
I had heard about this benign request for assistance, using the friendly folk at Western Union to facilitate the romance.
So I politely declined the generous offer to help improve our communication siting the following as my reason in a return email:
and I quote -
"My dear Olya,
As we both know we are speaking to not only each other here on the site, but to other people also. Although I can feel we are becoming closer, I would not feel comfortable sending you money to help you learn English - in the knowledge that you would potentially be practising with men other than me. I think that sort of financial committment comes when we have both chosen to leave the site to be exclusively with each other."
I thought this was a pretty well measured, reasonable and logical response. I am an educated man. Worldly and well travelled. Generous with my time and money. But not flippant (well.......I will tolerate a small amount of correction on that last point!)
Good golly!! Mercy me!!!!
THE CHAT LINE COLD SHOULDER followed for about two weeks. Which I did not really mind. In fact it told me a little about Olga (who is doubtless a lovely woman) and I said to myself: "Self - you need to find another Olga!"
There are, as you can probably imagine, sooooooooo many interested in meeting me. " I am so handsome and sexy and have such a beautiful smile." Wow.......I had not idea I was so attractive. But it must be true, because I hear it all the time.
And then........the invitations once again begin to flow to chat with ID # 1120199. Those lovely hypnotic dancing hearts, the ruby red lips, the cute little yellow face waving "hello".
And.........so I did. She: "Was really missing me and had been thinking about me a lot." Wow - really???? Cool!!!! Me too darling xxxxx
I am back in the game.....
VISIT NUMBER 4: READY OR NOT - HERE COMES THE BOOM.......
See you shortly. Will try and finish tomorrow.....
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If nothing else you are learning how to play the game. Best of luck.
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Anthony,
I wrote earlier:
As you read more about FSUW, you will encounter phrases such as "three date rule," and "you will know when a FSU woman likes you." These phrases are self-explanatory. They are valuable guidelines.
You broke both guidelines.
First guideline - After three dates most FSUW if interested in you will want sex (the OB-GYNs in the FSU advise women to have lots of sex).
Second guideline - most FSUW when they like you are not coy about expressing their feelings. They will talk about it, touch you in tender ways, stare deeply into your eyes, etc.
There are exceptions. However, why would you want a woman who is not into sex and does not express her feelings freely?!
Now a third guideline based on reading your last post - avoid women if you have to communicate through an interpreter. I was on the borderline of breaking this guideline yet pursued her anyway, and years later married the best woman in my long life. Even with sincere women, the lack of communication is frustrating and impedes progress. With insincere women, the lack of communication can mask their deceit, even open you to the scam of paying for English lessons. I commend you for realizing the scam. But why continue with a woman who eagerly participated in a ploy to get money from you. It reveals her character, and should make you wonder about what she is capable of in the future?
Other guidelines: Avoid Anastasiadate. Avoid women from Odessa.
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Yes, sorry folks. In order to keep the wheels smoothly spinning I have had to limit the number and allowed size of picture uploads..
Regardless , it would likely be best to store all photos etc that you'd like to share via the internet, where they remain under your control and can be easily removed/altered updated etc..
When a photo is uploaded to this sever, it remains on this server, even if you edit it out of your post, or if the entire post is deleted, the file remains and can only be removed by contacting me.
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I will buck Gator's advice, but only by a small bit.
True: The great number of women on ADate are there to take your money. My next chapter in my trip report will be the meeting of two young ladies who practice, just like Olga, getting guys to come over to Ukraine to make money off them.
However, both of these women indicated to me, when I was in Niko, that since they knew I wasn't there to feed them money, if I would be interested in spending time (wink, wink) with them, either or both of them would be happy to be my friends/companions while I was in Ukraine. They are women, after all.
AO, you are a handsome guy. And a surgeon at that! Every woman with aspirations to leave the motherland would consider you a great catch. (I can imagine some of the women on this forum wondering how to send you a quick PM, introducing themselves!)
The obvious mistake to an experienced hand at ADate is that you only engage the RECENT additions to the database. This gal was on there over four years! She is a pro - and has no desire to link up with you, just to pad her bank account. The other obvious mistake that you made was that you never attempted to leverage your relationship with her into something other than pay-per-chat. As long as you were paying her bills, she is happy to spend time with you.....
"Hey, here is my Skype address. If we are serious, use it. If not, nice knowing ya! Adios!" Now she is not getting paid to talk to you. If she is serious, she will. If she is not, you will know.
Gator said something that really rings true. If an FSU Woman is into you, there will be NO mistaking it. End of story.
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I am with Olga on the morning of my last day before heading home. The discussion took on a serious tone. Olga (through Victoria naturally) indicated to me that she really would like to improve here English to: "Help with our communication." Fair enough thought I. And.......if: "I was willing to help her with this, she would be willing to make the effort for us to get closer" - and that is pretty much verbatim. Once again dear reader, ringing any bells?????
Now........upon my return home I opened my emails and, low and behold, a message from Olga.
The gist of which was: "I could simply send the money to her via WESTERN UNION......"
UH OH...........WARNING, WARNING - DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!!
I had heard about this benign request for assistance, using the friendly folk at Western Union to facilitate the romance.
So I politely declined the generous offer to help improve our communication siting the following as my reason in a return email:
Actually AO, that tells you ALOT about Olga. But, you figured it out for yourself. Good on ya
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Yes, sorry folks. In order to keep the wheels smoothly spinning I have had to limit the number and allowed size of picture uploads..
Regardless , it would likely be best to store all photos etc that you'd like to share via the internet, where they remain under your control and can be easily removed/altered updated etc..
When a photo is uploaded to this sever, it remains on this server, even if you edit it out of your post, or if the entire post is deleted, the file remains and can only be removed by contacting me.
Okay, I have a small bone to pick:
Today the count on here was again over 2000. That is monumental compared to how the Forum used to run. One of the reasons people are here is because of the imagery. If a picture is online, in order to use the format that you are suggesting, the only way to do it is to download the picture off the internet and store it locally and then have it kick out your post if it exceeds size limits. Find us a way to be able to contribute without all the sideline issues.
To me, that was to click the image button and name the URL. Is that no longer working?
Help, here!
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Okay, I have a small bone to pick:
Today the count on here was again over 2000. That is monumental compared to how the Forum used to run. One of the reasons people are here is because of the imagery. If a picture is online, in order to use the format that you are suggesting, the only way to do it is to download the picture off the internet and store it locally and then have it kick out your post if it exceeds size limits. Find us a way to be able to contribute without all the sideline issues.
To me, that was to click the image button and name the URL. Is that no longer working?
Yeah,
What he said!!!!
Anthony
Help, here!
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Sorry Jone,
Did it again, the mid quote thing.
Did not scroll down to the bottom of your tag.
I owe you a beer.
Anthony
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There are 2 ways to make a picture appear inside a thread post.
1. As an attachment that will show up at post bottom as an enlargeable thumbnail, typically for images stored on your local disk/storage medium:
If a picture is online, in order to use the format that you are suggesting, the only way to do it is to download the picture off the internet and store it locally and then have it kick out your post if it exceeds size limits.
2. As an image inline within post, typically for Internet-stored images:
Find us a way to be able to contribute without all the sideline issues. To me, that was to click the image button and name the URL. Is that no longer working?
(http://www.floriani.it/Tryptich.jpg)
[center][img]http://www.floriani.it/Tryptich.jpg[/img][/center]That's from my website. It appears to work alright ;).
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No it doesn't work okay. You put up a picture of the 8 Saints, the Virgin Mary with the Christ Child and St. Joseph and the Angels.
Where are the RussBabes??????
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Ok Jone. that was funny..
but please understand, the change I made was out of necessity.. better limited functionality than none at all.
Attaching does still work, it's just the number allowed, and the size of them has been decreased, and it really is better for all involved to use a remote source, like Photobucket, where you control the files and can easily remove them for good if the need ever arises, and it occasionally does for some.
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Hello ANTHONY OLIVER and WELCOME.
Here’s what I think …
You told us that you had some ‘meaningful tongue kissing’ with this girl on your 4th trip to Odessa to meet her. My extraordinary powers of deduction suggest to me that you had not had sex with this woman. If I am correct then most of the ‘problem’ here is you and even if I’m wrong, my conclusion doesn’t change.
… that’s what I think. 8)
(http://[/Users/oliver/Desktop/DSC03049.JPG/img]/Users/oliver/Desktop/DSC03049.JPG aliasHi Vinnvinny,This is just a test to see if I have the photo situation sorted out. [img]http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Users/oliver/Desktop/1966891_1419288051655090_863397626_n.jpg)
Me enjoying the last rays of summer in Odessa.
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No it doesn't work okay. You put up a picture of the 8 Saints, the Virgin Mary with the Christ Child and St. Joseph and the Angels. Where are the RussBabes??????
OK, is our 'swimmers' lifeguard' better ;D?
(http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/p129341-1.jpg)
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OK, is our 'swimmers' lifeguard' better ;D?
(http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/p129341-1.jpg)
(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Users/oliver/Desktop/DSC03049.JPG)
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(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Users/oliver/Desktop/DSC03049.JPG)
Ok, help me!!!!
I want to post some images.
They sit tantalizingly on my desk top.
The ability to "attach" has been deleted from the posts.
Dragging them into the post and hitting the Mona Lisa key does not work.
I have downloaded the images to my facebook page. What now???
I have a secretary at work who does things like this for me - but I don't feel comfortable asking her to help me with this particular task.
Cheers
Anthony
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Ok, help me!!!!
I want to post some images.
They sit tantalizingly on my desk top.
The ability to "attach" has been deleted from the posts.
I've never tried posting photos here from another site but if you have Windows Paint, open your photos there and resize them to about 20% or less. The megapixels on cameras these days are huge and most websites these days don't allow photos that big.
Edited to add: I just noticed that you are not allowed to post photos with the attachment feature anymore.
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AO-- you are not alone with this problem -I have been here for some time without ever posting a photo !! I also will not ask for help from my computer guy!
There are quite a few here who will help you- answers will be here soon.
Also suggest you come to chat-- there are a few guys who can walk you thru it! ;D
Added Later-- register on link below-- move photos there-- then you can take from there and post!!
http://i.imgur.com
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psst.. we had to limit the file sizes allowed while we handled some webserver business, that business is finished, and the limits have been increased to previous settings
BUT.. please be aware photos straight from your camera are usually extremely large files and not optimized at all for use on the internet. I use a free program for Windows, called Irfanview (http://www.irfanview.net/) that has a handy "save for web" feature to make the file sizes smaller with no noticeable loss in quality, they simply load faster. Better for everyone.
It's really a pretty powerful program that can do all sorts of stuff to image files, no ads or anything. it's just free.
SAVE THE BINVIROMENT !!..
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Ooops :rolleyes: While I did restore the file size limitations to their original settings.. I neglected to actually enable attaching.. You should see a "Browse" button when you are creating a post... since my internet service provider is just sooo great, my little tribute to them...
But again.. kindly optimize your images first, otherwise every page that has images on it gets very slow to load which makes me look bad
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AO-- you are not alone with this problem -I have been here for some time without ever posting a photo !! I also will not ask for help from my computer guy!
There are quite a few here who will help you- answers will be here soon.
Also suggest you come to chat-- there are a few guys who can walk you thru it! ;D
Added Later-- register on link below-- move photos there-- then you can take from there and post!!
http://i.imgur.com
Hi JayH,
Many thanks. I am all over it, like a big red dog!
Cheers
Anthony
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I have downloaded the images to my facebook page. What now???
If your images are on FB - or anywhere else on the Internet - open the page they're on in your browser, move the mouse over an image you want to post, click the right-hand mouse button and you should see a 'context menu' appear with various choices: select the one that says "Copy Image Address", or similar.
Now go back to the browser page with your RWD post, right-click again and select "Paste": you should see the image URL ('Net address) appear inside your post. Select it and press the "Insert Image" icon (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif) at top left. Clicking the "Preview" button will show the result after finishing the post.
For a locally stored image, now that Dewed has reinstated the "Attach" function you can press the "Choose" button at bottom right, navigate through your local storage medium until you find the image name and click it. You'll see the image appear at the bottom of your post only AFTER you "Post" your post.
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AO-- you are not alone with this problem -I have been here for some time without ever posting a photo !! I also will not ask for help from my computer guy!
There are quite a few here who will help you- answers will be here soon.
Also suggest you come to chat-- there are a few guys who can walk you thru it! ;D
Added Later-- register on link below-- move photos there-- then you can take from there and post!!
http://i.imgur.com
And presto....
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And presto....
Mate, you are the smartest bloke in the world!
Cheers
Anthony
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You look a bit like ;D:
(http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/max_von_sydow.jpg#ActualImage)
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If your images are on FB - or anywhere else on the Internet - open the page they're on in your browser, move the mouse over an image you want to post, click the right-hand mouse button and you should see a 'context menu' appear with various choices: select the one that says "Copy Image Address", or similar.
Now go back to the browser page with your RWD post, right-click again and select "Paste": you should see the image URL ('Net address) appear inside your post. Select it and press the "Insert Image" icon (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif) at top left. Clicking the "Preview" button will show the result after finishing the post.
For a locally stored image, now that Dewed has reinstated the "Attach" function you can press the "Choose" button at bottom right, navigate through your local storage medium until you find the image name and click it. You'll see the image appear at the bottom of your post only AFTER you "Post" your post.
Hi Sandro,
I just finished following the advice received from JayH (which has worked it seems ))))).
Just returned to my messages and see you have gone to a lot of trouble also to help me out. Thanks a ton. I will file the information because I am certain I will have need for it for future FB downloads along the way. Good lad.
And let me just add - if you ever suffer a fractured orbit or zygoma - I own you one))))
Cheers
Anthony
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You look a bit like ;D:
(http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/max_von_sydow.jpg#ActualImage)
You are sweet
xxxx
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And let me just add - if you ever suffer a fractured orbit or zygoma - I owE you one ))))
Thanks for your kind offer, but I hope I'll never need your trauma help :D.
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Thanks for your kind offer, but I hope I'll never need your trauma help :D.
Just bear with me - i r lernin somfin new.
(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Users/oliver/Desktop/uMZXNi9L_Kr.png)
and presto...
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Thanks for your kind offer, but I hope I'll never need your trauma help :D.
Shit,
NADA!!!! Don't you dare shake your head and call me stupid.
So I want to finish my little Odessa story - THE CLIMAX is the tentative title.
And want to insert about 4 pics in the text.
I have a MAC.
Went to FB, clicked on image, under OPTIONS - I chose "get link". Little envelope icon appeared.
Dragged to desktop.
Dragged to my message box text. Clicked on MONA.
Pressed POST.
Said shit and bum.
Cheers
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A/O
To me the easiest way to link to out side I net images
is just to go to the website they are on,
right click on the image.
then select *copy image URL*
Paste that here like so:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-krfdVeM4c0w/T8T_bQNMrII/AAAAAAAAAFw/nsRhPcJojcY/s1600/Easy-Button.jpg
Then type the fairly universal forum img code before (and after) the pasted URL
You should get this result.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-krfdVeM4c0w/T8T_bQNMrII/AAAAAAAAAFw/nsRhPcJojcY/s1600/Easy-Button.jpg)
The code is: img photo url here /img
but both img and /img need bracketed by [] []
(sounds a bit complex ,it's not)
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A/O
To me the easiest way to link to out side I net images
is just to go to the website they are on,
right click on the image.
then select *copy image URL*
Paste that here like so:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-krfdVeM4c0w/T8T_bQNMrII/AAAAAAAAAFw/nsRhPcJojcY/s1600/Easy-Button.jpg
Then type the fairly universal forum img code before (and after) the pasted URL
You should get this result.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-krfdVeM4c0w/T8T_bQNMrII/AAAAAAAAAFw/nsRhPcJojcY/s1600/Easy-Button.jpg)
The code is: img photo url here /img
but both img and /img need bracketed by [] []
(sounds a bit complex ,it's not)
OK.......This has become my personal Everest.
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419806718269890&l=7110aaa907)
Wait for it....
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OK.......This has become my personal Everest.
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419806718269890&l=7110aaa907)
Wait for it....
No cigar ((((
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419806718269890&l=7110aaa907)
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Then type the fairly universal forum img code before (and after) the pasted URL
Why type when selecting the URL and clicking the Image icon will do the work for you :-\?
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Why type when selecting the URL and clicking the Image icon will do the work for you :-\?
I have the FB URL and will now drag it into the message box
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419806718269890&l=7110aaa907)
have clicked on Mona and have the: img /img in brackets front and back of url address.
I will push the post button one more fuc_ing time. And then I am having a beer.
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I have the FB URL and will now drag it into the message box
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419806718269890&l=7110aaa907)
have clicked on Mona and have the: img /img in brackets front and back of url address.
I will push the post button one more fuc_ing time. And then I am having a beer.
I WILL HAVE A BEER. OR THREE.
IS IT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT I USE A MAC?
I CAN JUST DO THE POST WITH THE ATTACHMENTS AT THE END. BUT WOULD BE BETTER TO INLINE THEM.
Cheers
Anthony
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So I want to finish my little Odessa story - THE CLIMAX is the tentative title.
Where is that story? On your PC or on the RWD site?
And want to insert about 4 pics in the text. Went to FB, clicked on image, under OPTIONS - I chose "get link".
I suppose that's the equivalent of "Copy Link Address".
Little envelope icon appeared. Dragged to desktop. Dragged to my message box text. Clicked on MONA.
What's MONA?
Pressed POST. Said shit and bum.
MAC is apparently ruder than a PC ;D.
Here's a photo of a friend I linked to from FB, after pasting/selecting the URL and clicking "Insert Image" :
(http://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/t1.0-1/p160x160/1660266_603269699764367_736582872_n.jpg)
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And thanks for relaying your story.You seem to have learned from your experience, and are open to advise on the subject :)
so here goes
"Hey, here is my Skype address. If we are serious, use it. If not, nice knowing ya! Adios!" Now she is not getting paid to talk to you. If she is serious, she will. If she is not, you will know.
The above straight and simply advice is absolutely the way to reasonable use pay per letter or pay per chat websites to meet FSU women.
In general such sites are simply best avoided.Thats the simplest and best answer as the very business model itself encourages the local affiliate agencies to be unscrupulous.
If a man still chooses to utilize them , the best way would be to live there, in a city long term.
Jone's advise above is the minimum standard you should set if choosing to meet women from such sites.but it certainly isn't fool proof,it is merely a tool to help eliminate a good percentage of those paid to correspond/chat with you. It just cleans out a good portion. Meeting them and discerning sincerity as well as compatibility is the same as ever of course
So long before meeting her the first time, you should have been away from the agency site and talking on the phone, skype, personal emails etc.
You can use your own translator if needed.
Also considering you met her several times, to use a pay per letter or chat agency site for communication after meeting is just seldom going to end well.It will almost certainly be a waste of your time, your emotions, and your money.
Being a man with a large age gap marriage, I can't knock another mans interest in some woman much younger, with out being a tad hypocritical. :D
I still have to advise the best approach is to stay in a very realistic age range,
even if i dint listen to my own advice.
:)
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Why type when selecting the URL and clicking the Image icon will do the work for you :-\?
Because i'm an expert at typing? :ROFL:
Ok Sandro more seriously :)
because selecting the image /photo icon does not
seem to be working for AO, so i offered up the alternative.
I have found on various forums selecting the photo icon to not always work properly , dependent on browser or browser settings, while typing the quick little code always works. (or similar codes)
In this case my suggestion hasn't helped AO.
My guess is because he is not bracketing the code properly or he is leaving spaces between the code an the image's pasted URL.
AO it needs to look like this
(img)pastedphotourl(/img)
no spaces and with ( ) replaced with [ ]
If typing the code exactly,, to show you , the code disappears of course ;)
Good luck, and remember in your Mt Everest attempt , that above 8000 meters is the death zone.Take oxygen
:D
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I have found on various forums selecting the photo icon to not always work properly , dependent on browser or browser settings
I see. That may well be the trouble with Anthony - his browser/MAC ::) .
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And thanks for relaying your story.You seem to have learned from your experience, and are open to advise on the subject :)
so here goes
The above straight and simply advice is absolutely the way to reasonable use pay per letter or pay per chat websites to meet FSU women.
In general such sites are simply best avoided.Thats the simplest and best answer as the very business model itself encourages the local affiliate agencies to be unscrupulous.
If a man still chooses to utilize them , the best way would be to live there, in a city long term.
Jone's advise above is the minimum standard you should set if choosing to meet women from such sites.but it certainly isn't fool proof,it is merely a tool to help eliminate a good percentage of those paid to correspond/chat with you. It just cleans out a good portion. Meeting them and discerning sincerity as well as compatibility is the same as ever of course
So long before meeting her the first time, you should have been away from the agency site and talking on the phone, skype, personal emails etc.
You can use your own translator if needed.
Also considering you met her several times, to use a pay per letter or chat agency site for communication after meeting is just seldom going to end well.It will almost certainly be a waste of your time, your emotions, and your money.
Being a man with a large age gap marriage, I can't knock another mans interest in some woman much younger, with out being a tad hypocritical. :D
I still have to advise the best approach is to stay in a very realistic age range,
even if i dint listen to my own advice.
:)
Thanks Jumper,
I will heed all of that advice. I must say I have picked up so much in a few short days.
It has been great to come in here and listen to you guys. I suspect I am a wiser man. Time will tell.
"Age gaps and realistic age ranges": I am 52 - so are we talking 40? 36.5......?
Do not worry. I can take it. Without my camera on you will not be able to see my tears anyway.
Cheers
Anthony
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AO, sorry to use you as a case study.. but.. info on the first file you uploaded..
601.69 KB (616,127 bytes, dimensions 1,836px × 2,448px..
That is extremely large by internet usage standards..
I saved your image.., and opened it in Irfanview,
Image > Resize> Half resulting in a resolution of 715 x 953
File > Save for web, resulted in a 64.97KB (64,974 bytes
nearly 10% the origial size and no obvious impact on quality.. it takes less space and downloads much faster.
Tell me, which is which.. and no fair looking at dimensions or file size !
Jumper.. your easy button image is also EXTREMELY large, both in terms of dimensions and file size..
211.24 KB (216,306 bytes) 1,536px × 1,463px
Keep in mind, your browser will scale the image to show in its entirety, but it still takes up more hard drive space than it should, and creates a longer download time than it should for everyone that views this thread. Viewing the thread a second time, the image is served by your browser cache.. but everyone else has to download it, resulting in slow to load pages for everyone, especially if the thread is full of posts that include un-optimzed images.
Jumper.. your image is also EXTREMELY large, both in terms of dimensions and file size..
211.24 KB (216,306 bytes) dimensions 1,536px × 1,463px
Your browser will scale the image to show in its entirety, but it still takes up more hard drive space than it should, and creates a longer download time than it should for everyone that views this thread.
So I will re-iterate, please, optimize images for use on the web prior to uploading, it takes 2 seconds.
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"Age gaps and realistic age ranges": I am 52 - so are we talking 40? 36.5......?
Don't make this just about a number.
For example, "stage of life" is important. I am retired and could not have a good life with someone who wanted to start and build a career, regardless if she were 50 or 30.
If you and your woman don't look appropriate for each other, I assert it will probably become a problem someday even though the first years together are good.
One good point about women in their early 40s is that their children are usually already living a separate life and will not want to move to mama's new country (and can not in the US if over 21 yo). A woman in her 30s may have teenagers. They need to come with mama yet are so far developed that you may not connect very well with them.
If I were you, I would write many, many women from 32 to 45. Do not focus on physical beauty as much as finding someone who is a lot of fun to talk with and thinks you are fun. Of course make sure your values are consistent, your hobbies compatible, and goals aligned (not necessarily the same). Then meet a few.
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Jumper.. your image is also EXTREMELY large, both in terms of dimensions and file size.. 211.24 KB (216,306 bytes) dimensions 1,536px × 1,463px
Your browser will scale the image to show in its entirety, but it still takes up more hard drive space than it should, and creates a longer download time than it should for everyone that views this thread.
So I will re-iterate, please, optimize images for use on the web prior to uploading, it takes 2 seconds.
Dewed, no problem,
but for better understanding.
Using the img code.. I did not think the *easybutton* image i posted was uploaded here? The url image code has this threads page show the image from another spot on the world wide web correct?
I understand on the user end their browser /comp still needs the time to DL it,
yet did not think it effected space *here* since the image wasn't uploaded *here*
I don't have the image to resize it, its out there in introwebland ;)
Sure I could DL it, resize it and put it on a photo host to copy that URL to insert here.
Are photos, utilizing the img code, different than the vid code that displays a youtube video?
The relatively large vid file is hosted there,at youtube, not here.
I thought that was the beauty of such codes.
That's my confusion
:P
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yeah you are right, the image is not on this server, it's on someone eases who should be telling their users the same thing I am here. It is not optimized for web use and causes unnecessary hard drive usage and unnecessary bandwidth usage for EVERYONE, resulting in higher costs which get passed on.. yada yada yada
it's more of a digital environment concern of mine, which I call the binviroment. Not some hard & fast rule for this site,
carry on :-X
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yeah you are right, the image is not on this server, it's on someone eases who should be telling their users the same thing I am here.
Alright, to make a long story short.
1. It's OK to post a link to a humongous image from anywhere ON THE 'NET. It'll take longer to show in an RWD post, but it will not be an impact on RWD server storage.
2. On the other hand, ATTACHMENTS from local storage will do so, therefore if large-sized please scale them down to a smaller size if possible.
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Because i'm an expert at typing? :ROFL:
Ok Sandro more seriously :)
because selecting the image /photo icon does not
seem to be working for AO, so i offered up the alternative.
I have found on various forums selecting the photo icon to not always work properly , dependent on browser or browser settings, while typing the quick little code always works. (or similar codes)
In this case my suggestion hasn't helped AO.
My guess is because he is not bracketing the code properly or he is leaving spaces between the code an the image's pasted URL.
AO it needs to look like this
(img)pastedphotourl(/img)
no spaces and with ( ) replaced with [ ]
If typing the code exactly,, to show you , the code disappears of course ;)
Good luck, and remember in your Mt Everest attempt , that above 8000 meters is the death zone.Take oxygen
:D
Just going to try again, no spaces in front of or behind code, correct bracket format and......
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419806718269890&l=7110aaa907)
VOILA!!!!! - I will hit POST.....
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Just going to try again, no spaces in front of or behind code, correct bracket format and......
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419806718269890&l=7110aaa907)
VOILA!!!!! - I will hit POST.....
The beer is probably going to start a little earlier today.
I will locate a Sherpa or two to assist in my ascent. I know you are doing your best to help me. Maybe it is a Mac problem.
Sadly, my next post "THE BALLAD OF OLGA" - will contain 4 disgustingly huge memory wasting images (a little like the one below - but they will be fun to see, promise!). But............I will try and find some way to compress them in the future.
Cheers
Anthony
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Anthony,
The photo suggest that you went on an Anastasia tour or at least attended a social.
Most of us here consider attending Anastasia tours as just one step above going to a titty bar. I would expect it to be like stepping onto a pile of dog crap.
Even for genuine socials (where women do not receive remuneration to attend), the sincere FSUW do not have a good time because of the feeling of being paraded like a horse.
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Gator,
You are making the assumption that he went to a social and then rubbing his nose in it. This may be your age kicking in as I have taken women to many events that were set up like the background (big screens, couples) that were not ADate Socials. (I have never been to such a social.) Pictures I have seen of such socials always have people wearing name tags and more women than men. Neither of which seems to be the case here.
My SO and I go to events that have screens up and lots of couples here in the US frequently. Those aren't ADate socials either.
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Anthony,
The photo suggest that you went on an Anastasia tour or at least attended a social.
Most of us here consider attending Anastasia tours as just one step above going to a titty bar. I would expect it to be like stepping onto a pile of dog crap.
Even for genuine socials (where women do not receive remuneration to attend), the sincere FSUW do not have a good time because of the feeling of being paraded like a horse.
Hi Gator,
I just want to say right now......
I have NEVER NEVER NEVER BEEN ON A SOCIAL!!!!!!
I only ever arranged meetings with OLGA. The agency was never contacted. I only dealt with OLGA.
The idea of attending a "social" is not something I ever entertained.
I trust you believe me. I am an honest chap and am not here to tell bullshit...........or listen to it from others (interpret that how you will).
Cheers
Anthony
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Gator,
You are making the assumption that he went to a social and then rubbing his nose in it. This may be your age kicking in as I have taken women to many events that were set up like the background (big screens, couples) that were not ADate Socials. (I have never been to such a social.) Pictures I have seen of such socials always have people wearing name tags and more women than men. Neither of which seems to be the case here.
My SO and I go to events that have screens up and lots of couples here in the US frequently. Those aren't ADate socials either.
Jone,
YOU ARE DEAD RIGHT BROTHER.
NEVER BEEN TO A SOCIAL. ONLY EVER WITH OLGA ON MY PAT MALONE (COCKNEY RHYMING SLANG: PAT MALONE = "ON MY OWN")
Cheers
Well spotted by you with your observations in the post.
"HE SEES WITH KEEN EYES, BOTH DEEP AND FAR." Anthony Oliver - 2014.
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Gator,
This may be your age kicking in as I have taken women to many events that were set up like the background (big screens, couples) that were not ADate Socials.
Your observation of the photo is correct. My bad!
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Anthony,
Pardon my interruption. I have never been on a social so I did not pickup on the clue of name tags.
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Now there is a classy man. Well done, Gator.
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Now there is a classy man. Well done, Gator.
And so say all of us.
I will just very quickly add. I grew up in Australia. I played rugby until I was 21 and injured my knee which required significant surgery to fix up. Still hurts some days.
When I was about 16, my coach told me that whilst he appreciated my enthusiasm on the field - I needed to be mindful of the fact, that if I kept poking guys in the chest who were bigger than me - eventually I would pay for that.
He was right.
So......lets keep it nice and tidy. A little thought first and then engage keyboard.
Cheers
Anthony
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I will buck Gator's advice, but only by a small bit.
True: The great number of women on ADate are there to take your money. My next chapter in my trip report will be the meeting of two young ladies who practice, just like Olga, getting guys to come over to Ukraine to make money off them.
However, both of these women indicated to me, when I was in Niko, that since they knew I wasn't there to feed them money, if I would be interested in spending time (wink, wink) with them, either or both of them would be happy to be my friends/companions while I was in Ukraine. They are women, after all.
AO, you are a handsome guy. And a surgeon at that! Every woman with aspirations to leave the motherland would consider you a great catch. (I can imagine some of the women on this forum wondering how to send you a quick PM, introducing themselves!)
The obvious mistake to an experienced hand at ADate is that you only engage the RECENT additions to the database. This gal was on there over four years! She is a pro - and has no desire to link up with you, just to pad her bank account. The other obvious mistake that you made was that you never attempted to leverage your relationship with her into something other than pay-per-chat. As long as you were paying her bills, she is happy to spend time with you.....
"Hey, here is my Skype address. If we are serious, use it. If not, nice knowing ya! Adios!" Now she is not getting paid to talk to you. If she is serious, she will. If she is not, you will know.
Gator said something that really rings true. If an FSU Woman is into you, there will be NO mistaking it. End of story.
I KNOW STUFF: THERE'S THIS REALLY FUN THING YOU CAN DO IF YOU'RE BORED (OR UNSURE ABOUT OLGA OR ALINA OR TAMARA OR...)
I am not sure where I read this, but.....
If you google a girl's christian name and her profile ID#..........like, um........for example......oh I know:
OLGA #1120199
You will eventually be directed to a post by someone named "WEEKENDRIDER" - I do love the names. If I had my time over I would be OSTRICH MAN (you know - head.....sand......oh never mind!)
To help you along - simply google: "weekendrider datingwise." (Datingwise is a site not unlike this one).
You will see that he is a little more - how can I put it - perfunctory, in his assessment of his experience with Olga - who, and I cannot repeat this often enough, is a lovely woman - in a Salvador Dali kind of way.
Funnily enough, when I met Olga for the very first time and asked if she had met any guys recently from the site, she was - as always - very honest with me (because, as you know dear reader, "honesty" is such an important character trait for many of the girls here. It is key I think!) and told me that she had met a guy from Norway. No mention of WEEKENDRIDER from America. How odd. I guess she must have had a lot on her mind that day.
POSTSCRIPT:
Jone, you are saving me from myself. You will enjoy this!!!!!
Armed with my new found knowledge regarding the significance of the ID # ( be it high 16 or 17 v's 11 or 12......) I recently had a very careful chat with TAMARA # 1120327 (I BET YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHAT CITY SHE IS FROM!!!!!)
WRONG!!!!! She is from ODESSA!!!!!!!
I had been talking with Tamara for about 3 weeks before I discovered RWD. Although Tamara has never been married, dear reader, she had lived with a man - her College sweetheart - for 7 years. I will just repeat that - because it has some significance. SEVEN YEARS. Further, they commenced living together when she was 20. How do I know this????? Well.......I asked her and she told me.
So far........no harm, no foul!!!!
Anyhoooo.........
I have been here with you bright little buttons for about a week.
ID # 1120327
Hmmmmmmmm......Hang on a second........You are 30 and you lived with this guy until you were 27.
I casually asked how long she had been on the site during a chat last Friday night.
"Oh.....I am not sure - about 5 years!" - was her casual reply.
Oh......thought I. Having done well at mathematics as a schoolboy, I quickly formed a new question for Tamara.......You will never guess what I asked, in a million years..........!!!!!
Anyway.......when I raised the moral dilemma she must have struggled with : being in a relationship and also on ADate.......
She concluded that: "It was time for us to end our communication"; because: "She did not think we were compatible."
And yet.....up until this particular conversation, I had been of exactly the opposite view. That, indeed, we were very compatible.
Do you think it was something I said??????
Cheers
AO
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AO
If you really want to ride this horse, you will quickly see how easy it is to dispose of women in a very short period of time.
Rules: ADate:
1. Only look at women who have been online for less than three months.
2. When you are initiating conversation, if the first thing that happens is the gal puts up an emoticon, you know that she is simply starting the meter running. Just like a taxi driver. What typically happens if a gal is running two or three conversations is that she will put the emoticon up, and then wait about half a minute to respond. If this happens, you know that chances are she is being paid or that she is an agency employee emulating a profile.
3. Everyone can see how to send a Skype or email message. If they tell you they can't see it, they're lying. You put your Skype name or email address on a line by line separated.
for example:
Barbossa
@
Mydomain
.
net
for an email address, or
IAM
.
Barbossa007
for a Skype address.
The system is not smart enough to block that.
Women of good intentions will immediately pick up on that and contact you. If it is a pro-dater or scammer or paid chat lady, they will feign ignorance.
4. In any event, if you still want to ride this horse, immediately get a woman to go on video. You will see her true intentions, especially if you are on the other side of the camera and she can see you.
Good luck.
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Also AO, I suggest that you not ask FSUW about past relationships, and for sure don't mention your past women. Avoid such discussions.
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Also AO, I suggest that you not ask FSUW about past relationships, and for sure don't mention your past women. Avoid such discussions.
+1
I have never asked about their past relationships and also never talked about my past relationships until you are into relationships with her.
I kept fed up with women asking me about my past relationships, like 20 questions. They asked me in our 1st conversation. They were more interested in my past relationship than what I am now!!
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Also AO, I suggest that you not ask FSUW about past relationships, and for sure don't mention your past women. Avoid such discussions.
Hi Gator,
The length and breadth of my naivety is by this stage well established I would think.
But each day I get smarter.
So - I often (although I am cutting back - you will be pleased to hear) talk to women from Adate. Only ever to those with a camera I might add. Typically (not always - but usually) I will be asked by the girl:
1. How is my search going?
2. How long have I been looking?
3. Have I met anyone suitable yet?
And so, I usually ask the same questions. It is of interest to both of us I guess.
In future I will try and gently steer away from such discussions. I am not exactly sure why it is bad to discuss these things though. I am a bit slow - so be a little more direct with me. YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST ))))))))))))))
With regard to Olga (who I am not quite finished discussing yet - still some images to share which I think are instructive) - when I met her the first time my first topic of conversation was certainly not how many men had visited her. Might have been the next day over lunch - as she was preparing my first blinis and caviar. So elegant and sweet the way they do that. She really was very......um.............
professional!!
So the topic of previous visitors was raised. Really just a benign question over lunch - their was no sinister intent. I was a totally innocent guy. Not the cynical bastard I am today.
In hindsight I appreciate it was a stupid question - of course Olga was not going to tell me:
"Well Anthony, dear, as a matter of fact - over the last 6 years on the site - I have met over 20 (30, 40.....who knows!!!!) men. None of them were suitable for me - just like you are not going to be either! But you do not know that yet!!! (hee, hee, hee)".
I suppose the problem asking about such things is to do with the fact that you are unlikely to get a straight answer from a "Wheeler and Dealer" and a sincere woman would see it as an invasion of her privacy. Again though, whilst not defending myself in any way - it is an oft discussed thing on the chat line in my experience.
BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
AO
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"Age gaps and realistic age ranges": I am 52 - so are we talking 40? 36.5......?
I'd say give yourself a hard line of 15 years and try to shoot for no more than 8 or so. My wife is 11 years younger. That relatively smaller difference, compared to some of these marriages, can sometimes rear up in bizarre ways.
I think the key is more like this - do you view her as an equal to you? Seriously, equal. Not with a bunch of words, or PC horseshit rationalization statements, but do you actually see, feel, emote, taste, smell, her as an equal partner -- on an intellectual, emotional, and maturity level. Or does it seem/feel to you like you're in a mentor/student, etc., etc., situation?
Start with equals and weed from there.
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"Age gaps and realistic age ranges": I am 52 - so are we talking 40? 36.5......?
I'd say give yourself a hard line of 15 years and try to shoot for no more than 8 or so. My wife is 11 years younger. That relatively smaller difference, compared to some of these marriages, can sometimes rear up in bizarre ways.
I think the key is more like this - do you view her as an equal to you? Seriously, equal. Not with a bunch of words, or PC horseshit rationalization statements, but do you actually see, feel, emote, taste, smell, her as an equal partner -- on an intellectual, emotional, and maturity level. Or does it seem/feel to you like you're in a mentor/student, etc., etc., situation?
Start with equals and weed from there.
Age plays an important role in determining society's heirarchy. Humans have been conditioned to favor older people in terms of expertise and wisdom. We know for a fact this is NOT the case many times so we can start thinking of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
However, when it comes to mate matching age disparity can cause some serious problems for the players involved. People should TRY to be honest with themselves when determining their potential mate.
If an old (wo)man wants a plaything then concentrate on a young and enticing honey.
(Heh, sometimes the plaything maybe closer to their age than they are willing to accept)
If an old (wo)man wants a soulmate then concentrate on what makes their heart tick.
Try not to fit a round peg in a square hole. It might hurt your round peg.
If AO feels comfortable with the young honeys he is dating, then it is up to the young honeys to determine if they are okay with it. This is where the hard work starts for AO, trying to separate those honeys who are making an honest attempt to give the relationship a shot from those who are in for the obvious ride.
Disclosure: My wife is 13 years younger than me. So is my exwife.
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I'd say give yourself a hard line of 15 years and try to shoot for no more than 8 or so. My wife is 11 years younger. That relatively smaller difference, compared to some of these marriages, can sometimes rear up in bizarre ways.
I think the key is more like this - do you view her as an equal to you? Seriously, equal. Not with a bunch of words, or PC horseshit rationalization statements, but do you actually see, feel, emote, taste, smell, her as an equal partner -- on an intellectual, emotional, and maturity level. Or does it seem/feel to you like you're in a mentor/student, etc., etc., situation?
Start with equals and weed from there.
Age plays an important role in determining society's heirarchy. Humans have been conditioned to favor older people in terms of expertise and wisdom. We know for a fact this is NOT the case many times so we can start thinking of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
However, when it comes to mate matching age disparity can cause some serious problems for the players involved. People should TRY to be honest with themselves when determining their potential mate.
If an old (wo)man wants a plaything then concentrate on a young and enticing honey.
(Heh, sometimes the plaything maybe closer to their age than they are willing to accept)
If an old (wo)man wants a soulmate then concentrate on what makes their heart tick.
Try not to fit a round peg in a square hole. It might hurt your round peg.
If AO feels comfortable with the young honeys he is dating, then it is up to the young honeys to determine if they are okay with it. This is where the hard work starts for AO, trying to separate those honeys who are making an honest attempt to give the relationship a shot from those who are in for the obvious ride.
Disclosure: My wife is 13 years younger than me. So is my exwife.
Hi Muzh,
Two things:
Firstly: OUTSTANDING WORK WITH THE WIFE (S). 13 - UNLUCKY FOR SOME!!!!! I DON'T THINK SO.
Nextly (that is a word by the way - save it for scrabble!)
To be very honest with you (as I will always be) - when I am with a person who is - like Olga 32 years old - I really do not have a great sense of an age gap. Of course, I appreciate from the photos, that there is. But my point is - at 32 I was operating on people and was a serious and responsible person. And - apart from the odd lapse - remain so.
Now......Olga engaged me with letters and photos and eventually - I was talking to her on the chat line. She followed up with birthday greetings, Valentine's day wishes, photos of her at home with her mum and dad etc, etc. Clearly, in hindsight, very well organized and I think a process that had been used and refined ad nauseum over the last 6 years - until, in the end, I was the recipient of a very polished "presentation of affection".
My mistake was that I took Olga on face value. A mistake I am hopeful, though not optimistic, will not be repeated again. Time will tell (I love that saying!)
I am now talking to a dentist (I am not sure what it takes to achieve that status in Ukraine) but anyway........who is 40. She seems in all ways a lovely woman. Of course, she needs to be 39!!!
Unfortunately, she is both from ADATE and ODESSA! So I know Gator will be a little disappointed with me.
However, at least I have jumped up 8 years. So "progress" is being made.
I wonder where this will all end up. Life is like a box of chocolates - I just made that up!
Cheers
AO
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AO
With the sharks at ADate, you are asking for it. If you think back, you'll remember when there was a time you were convinced that Olga was the real deal? You made 4 trips? AD is a meat grinder. Akin to trying to teach a pig to sing. Near impossible to do and you only annoy the pig. Sure, many guys marry ladies from AD for various reasons but, AD's sole existences is solely to separate you from your money. If you're feeling lucky, go for it. You already have a good taste of your eventual results even if she is 40
A word of advice to use or toss out, seek pretty much the same age woman that you would date at home. Feel comfortable if the woman is 5 years younger than that and remember the father you stray from that age number the more delicate a possible relationship will be. Also, the motives for the relationship. We all (your average dude on RWD) look and feel 10 years younger than we are. Hell, some of us look 20 years younger. Also, most all of us have had numerous folks tell us so, especially women from AD, HRB, etc.. Stay realistic in your expectations and you'll do fine.
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In future I will try and gently steer away from such discussions. I am not exactly sure why it is bad to discuss these things though. I am a bit slow - so be a little more direct with me.
I suppose the problem asking about such things is to do with the fact that you are unlikely to get a straight answer from a "Wheeler and Dealer" and a sincere woman would see it as an invasion of her privacy. Again though, whilst not defending myself in any way - it is an oft discussed thing on the chat line in my experience.
It is oft discussed perhaps because 1) it is an interesting subject, 2) it is easily discussed, and 3) western men have been trained by western women to discuss it.
On my first trip I found FSUW refreshing in many ways, and one such way is the fact that they did not bring up past relationships and play amateur psychologist about the reasons the relationships ended. We are meeting these FSUW because our past relationships are over, usually because they failed. The same with her. The reasons actually are not important even though it may seem important to you. FSUW follow the creed of "past is past." IMO they also are more private than western women.
Also, FSUW are very proud and don't want to hear about other women, especially if it seems that they are being compared with other women. That is a big "No No."
If you find yourself getting serious with one and only one FSUW, to include emotional attachment, then it is necessary to have a full disclosure of past loves. Do it once, and never mention again your past women and her past men. In fact, don't mention any other woman.
All of the lengthy BS above can be summarized as follows: Treat her as if she is the only woman in the world, and you don't want her to get away.
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Unfortunately, she is both from ADATE and ODESSA! So I know Gator will be a little disappointed with me.
Read those ten commandments, especially about not falling in love with a photo.
Many of the sincere women show amateur photos in their profiles at the more reputable agencies. These homemade photos may not enhance their eyes, but don't worry because all Russian women have beautiful eyes (and be sure to tell them that). What these photos do provide is a glimpse into their life (interests, friends, travels, family, etc.).
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Still staying with A-Date eh AO? Man, you certainly are a glutton for punishment or you just can't stop thinking about those profile pics eh??? :wallbash:
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AO....I will address my thoughts soon on your story but did you ever have your head examined or maybe fell recently??
At moment, what I want to know, is she a blonde or brunette? and why do you pick girls that are beginners( language)?
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Still staying with A-Date eh AO? Man, you certainly are a glutton for punishment or you just can't stop thinking about those profile pics eh??? :wallbash:
May be he likes BDSM and enjoys to torture himself. : ;)
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Hi Muzh,
Two things:
Firstly: OUTSTANDING WORK WITH THE WIFE (S). 13 - UNLUCKY FOR SOME!!!!! I DON'T THINK SO.
Nextly (that is a word by the way - save it for scrabble!)
Will do. :thumbsup:
My mistake was that I took Olga on face value. A mistake I am hopeful, though not optimistic, will not be repeated again. Time will tell (I love that saying!)
Yep, I said it would take hard work to find a real one.
I am now talking to a dentist (I am not sure what it takes to achieve that status in Ukraine) but anyway........who is 40. She seems in all ways a lovely woman. Of course, she needs to be 39!!!
Unfortunately, she is both from ADATE and ODESSA! So I know Gator will be a little disappointed with me.
LMAO
Hey Brother trust me, with your outlook you could easily tie up with someone younger.
That was the point I was trying to make. If you are young at heart, the vibes will come through nice and clear to the babes. These vibes can be a great aphrodisiac. Between you and me, our fellow poster here, GQ, reminds me of this.
To me the problem is when guys lie to themselves thinking they have the same attitude. Instead, many come out looking foolish.
Carry on mate.
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Will do. :thumbsup:
Yep, I said it would take hard work to find a real one.
LMAO
Hey Brother trust me, with your outlook you could easily tie up with someone younger.
That was the point I was trying to make. If you are young at heart, the vibes will come through nice and clear to the babes. These vibes can be a great aphrodisiac. Between you and me, our fellow poster here, GQ, reminds me of this.
To me the problem is when guys lie to themselves thinking they have the same attitude. Instead, many come out looking foolish.
Carry on mate.
Muzh,
You are fast becoming my "beacon".
Yes - I will not be giving up any time soon. It is kind of funny this FSU dating caper.
You start on this journey - really with no idea where it will take you.
So far for me........it has taken me to You, Jone, Gator, Faux Par, Vinvinny et al.
Could not be happier.
Cheers
AO
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Yes - I will not be giving up any time soon. It is kind of funny this FSU dating caper.
Yeah, kinda funny it certainly is.
You start on this journey - really with no idea where it will take you.
For a good many it starts with a multifaceted fantasy which causes them to believe they know exactly where it will take them while being oblivious to the fact that they have no idea where it will take them. ;D
It's probably just a wee bit better if one can bypass that initial fantasy perspective.
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Yeah, kinda funny it certainly is.
For a good many it starts with a multifaceted fantasy which causes them to believe they know exactly where it will take them while being oblivious to the fact that they have no idea where it will take them. ;D
It's probably just a wee bit better if one can bypass that initial fantasy perspective.
Daveman,
Yes...I think for a lot of guys (not me of course because I am way too smart!) get on the site thinking they are the "full bottle" on all things female.
Sadly, this is almost always not the case. And then the whip comes down!
I think - if I can just give my own perspective - this whole dating thing is an absolute hoot. Even the : "always lovely Olga" has not managed to "handbrake me". Part of the fun of all of this - for me at least - is being able to tell about the disasters with a smile on your face. I think a lot of men probably get abused and do the "turtle". Which is a bit sad. But understandable.
I on the other hand........well - you know what they say : "You can't keep a good man down!" No matter how stupid he is (I just added that bit!)
Cheers
AO
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AO....I will address my thoughts soon on your story but did you ever have your head examined or maybe fell recently??
At moment, what I want to know, is she a blonde or brunette? and why do you pick girls that are beginners( language)?
Hi LA Man,
Let me try and cover those questions in order:
1. Which head are you talking about buddy?
2. Brunette - like all my past girlfriends and former wife. Am I missing out on something?
3. I don't pick them, they pick me. They write to me usually because some "hidden force" is telling them to do so. It is really out of my hands.
You know that right?
Cheers
AO
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3. I don't pick them, they pick me. They write to me usually because some "hidden force" is telling them to do so. It is really out of my hands.
It seems that you are being facetious; however, the fact that you are still communicating with women from Anastasiadate.com suggests otherwise.
Selling involves several steps from cold prospecting to closing the sale. Anastasiadate.com advertises to find prospects. By signing up with Anastasiadate.com, you have identified yourself as a prospect - someone who is attracted to photoshopped photos of pretty girls and who may pay money just to talk with those girls. The women when contacting you are taking the next two steps in the sales cycle: qualifying prospects and making presentations.
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It seems that you are being facetious; however, the fact that you are still communicating with women from Anastasiadate.com suggests otherwise.
Selling involves several steps from cold prospecting to closing the sale. Anastasiadate.com advertises to find prospects. By signing up with Anastasiadate.com, you have identified yourself as a prospect - someone who is attracted to photoshopped photos of pretty girls and who may pay money just to talk with those girls. The women when contacting you are taking the next two steps in the sales cycle: qualifying prospects and making presentations.
If the only women on ADate are seeking to make money from the conversation, then I would agree with you. But I would like to add that there are some women, albeit a minority, who really want to find a man and see ADate as a legitimate means to do so. Back when I was in the market, I could vet an ADate woman within five minutes of conversation to ascertain if she was there for money only or was really open to a relationship. I will be the first to say that my vetting process was not 100%, but it was effective.
So, Gator, to annotate your comments, the business model for ADate is advertising, identifying prospects, qualifying prospects and making a presentation. But the model for a real woman, looking for a man, is simply to respond to anyone who is kind enough to spend the money to talk to them. These women will give emails and share Skype addresses if you are able to qualify yourself on their behalf and have success with their vetting process.
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Why even waste the effort and money on Adate when over 90% of the profiles are in it for the money and the odds that you are actually writing to said lady are very slim. It just makes no sense unless you are very infatuated with the bikini/ lingerie photo shopped of the ladies..... :wallbash:
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Why even waste the effort and money on Adate when over 90% of the profiles are in it for the money and the odds that you are actually writing to said lady are very slim. It just makes no sense unless you are very infatuated with the bikini/ lingerie photo shopped of the ladies..... :wallbash:
Agreed. If you really want to keep throwing money away I can introduce you to several Adate chat models and you can cut out the middle man. Just pay the girls directly to chat per minute. Would save you some money and yield the same returns.
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Hey, Alex,
I hear you still pay to chat.
:devil:
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I get a little more for my money though.... ;D
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Why even waste the effort and money on Adate when over 90% of the profiles are in it for the money and the odds that you are actually writing to said lady are very slim. It just makes no sense unless you are very infatuated with the bikini/ lingerie photo shopped of the ladies..... :wallbash:
Hammer,
You make it sound like a bad thing!!!
Cheers
AO
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(http://[quote author=Gator link=topic=17390.msg363049#msg363049 date=1396035209]It seems that you are being facetious; however, the fact that you are still communicating with women from Anastasiadate.com suggests otherwise.)
Selling involves several steps from cold prospecting to closing the sale. Anastasiadate.com advertises to find prospects. By signing up with Anastasiadate.com, you have identified yourself as a prospect - someone who is attracted to photoshopped photos of pretty girls and who may pay money just to talk with those girls. The women when contacting you are taking the next two steps in the sales cycle: qualifying prospects and making presentations.
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Now Gator,
Give me a moment here. What do you want from me......"cold turkey"? I need my ADATE time. I am weaning off progressively. A bit like my mother depriving me of her breast milk. Painful, but it was done.
So.......I am quite sure, within the not too distant future, I will have decided ADATE is not for me. Or, alternatively, I may have met the woman I seek. You never know.....Could happen!
Have a great weekend
AO
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Hammer,
You make it sound like a bad thing!!!
It is a bad thing. Did you say you were a doctor earlier? If so, you have a high level of intelligence but don't let that fool you into believing you have a high level of wisdom and you can't be duped. One may be intelligent to know fire is hot but we may lack the wisdom from touching it. My mother told me the stove is hot. One day I had to touch it for myself. I had the knowledge but not he wisdom. I'm not 8 years old anymore. Stay away from the harmful things Anthony and you'll have an easier and less harmful path in your pursuit.
ADate is counter productive in your pursuit of love. For every chat session or email exchange with a woman who has no intention to marry you, you've been ripped off and wasted your time.
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Aw, comeon Billy!
For every time you go out on a date and she's not in to you, you're wasting your time. This just accelerates the process. I was honest with myself when I used ADate. I know I got jobbed a couple of times, but I also dated some absolute stunners. And they were certainly there to find a husband.
ADate is not for the faint of heart. And you better have game to even try. But I have the feeling old Anthony has game and could wind up with one of the grand prizes of that cesspool of a site. Whaddaya say, Anthony? Ready to give it another go?
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It is a bad thing. Did you say you were a doctor earlier? If so, you have a high level of intelligence but don't let that fool you into believing you have a high level of wisdom and you can't be duped. One may be intelligent to know fire is hot but we may lack the wisdom from touching it. My mother told me the stove is hot. One day I had to touch it for myself. I had the knowledge but not he wisdom. I'm not 8 years old anymore. Stay away from the harmful things Anthony and you'll have an easier and less harmful path in your pursuit.
ADate is counter productive in your pursuit of love. For every chat session or email exchange with a woman who has no intention to marry you, you've been ripped off and wasted your time.
Hi Billy B,
I appreciate what you are telling me. I appreciate the time you spend. Rest assured I am forever alert to the potential for abuse when dealing with Adate these days. My responses are made with my tongue in my cheek - well and truly.
So........ Jone suggested Elenas Models as the place to be. Which I will check out. Any thoughts?
Have a good weekend
AO
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Aw, comeon Billy!
For every time you go out on a date and she's not in to you, you're wasting your time. This just accelerates the process. I was honest with myself when I used ADate. I know I got jobbed a couple of times, but I also dated some absolute stunners. And they were certainly there to find a husband.
ADate is not for the faint of heart. And you better have game to even try. But I have the feeling old Anthony has game and could wind up with one of the grand prizes of that cesspool of a site. Whaddaya say, Anthony? Ready to give it another go?
YEP!!!!
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I know I got jobbed a couple of times,
Why does a guy even need to get jobbed in the first place and why encourage a guy to use a place that does that to every man who does business with them?
I also dated some absolute stunners.
Any man can date those girls. Many stunners at ADate are paid and/or there to reap the benefits of wealthy western men throwing their money around. Those ladies will date any monkey who can give them a free meal. There are absolute stunners at other agencies and dating sites that don't encourage the ladies to play those games.
ADate is not for the faint of heart. And you better have game to even try.
A guy needs game to catch women but needs a lot more when he's using certain agencies that are out to separate fools from their money. ADate also makes it difficult for a guy to distinguish the real from the unreal.
I appreciate what you are telling me.
Let me also share with you some wise words John Wayne shared with the world. "Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid." When I make major decisions in my life, I try refer back to those words. If you keep looking for love in all the wrong places, next thing you know, life will pass you by. Your happiness is better sought elsewhere.
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Great words to live by Billy.
There was no one dumber than John Wayne. In every movie he did, he refused to act in it unless the woman made a play for him.
All of his wives were subservient in their relationship to him. His wife Pilar, tried to shoot him because he was rumored to be having an affair. He had ongoing relationships with many women throughout his life and wound up with his secretary in his declining years.
He was a mean drunk and drank heavily. His directors would know to shoot his scenes before noon so as not to wind up with a stumble bum on the set.
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Hey Billy?
Are you implying that the women I dated from ADate only dated me because of my money? That's a novel thought.
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There was no one dumber than John Wayne.
Anybody can say his words and sound like a genius. Those who don't place any value in his words aren't as smart. I didn't grow up with John Wayne so I can't say I'm a fan of his but the faults of the man doesn't necessarily discount his words in this case.
Are you implying that the women I dated from ADate only dated me because of my money? That's a novel thought.
I thought you were implying something happened to you. I had to look up the word you said that happened to you "jobbed" which means according to an urban dictionary, "To be the victim of a conspiracy; to lose a seemingly fair contest because of deceit; to be guaranteed to lose. The term derives from the professional wrestling term "jobber". "
I don't know what bad experiences you had at ADate but you don't have to disclose it if you don't want. Throughout the years here, I've read so many stories from guys about their bad experiences at ADate that you probably wouldn't tell me anything new.
There are guys who will give ADate a second chance thinking they can beat the system after getting screwed the first time. The moment you pay someone a dime after they screwed you once, you've allowed yourself to be screwed again. ADate isn't the only place girls hang out. Give another business a chance.
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Now Gator,
Give me a moment here. What do you want from me......"cold turkey"? I need my ADATE time. I am weaning off progressively. A bit like my mother depriving me of her breast milk. Painful, but it was done.
I realize this is not you, yet eventually you need to leave the Anastasia teat, no matter how easy, familiar and pretty it is?
(http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2012_04_timecover.jpg)
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I realize this is not you, yet eventually you need to leave the Anastasia teat, no matter how easy, familiar and pretty it is?
(http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2012_04_timecover.jpg)
Hi Gator,
No - unfortunately - that is not me. But I think I may have chatted with that girl once or twice. I am pretty sure that is Tatyana from Odessa. She is a serious young woman interested:" in meeting a sincere and honest man with whom she can take late night strolls along the beach beneath the stars."
I know, I know......I am frustrating to be around. However, I am aware of the problems with the site at least and am now aware that the girls aren't necessarily as interested in meeting "their other half" as they seem to suggest. So progress is being made.
I am in the process of checking out Elena's models and abandoning the good ship ADATE. You will be proud of me soon I promise.
As an aside - we cannot but help notice the beauty of the women in their professionally done photographs. The agency is marketing and selling a product - so naturally, they put their best foot forward in terms of their advertising.
I might add that Olga was by no means the prettiest girl to have written to me. But my gut told me that she was quite sincere. Of course that was before the request for monetary transfers via "Western Union" and the little ruse of pretending to talk only to me whilst simultaneously speaking with another person (and telling him the same story - "no dear - I only speak with you").
It's a jungle out there man! And I ain't Tarzan!
Cheers
AO
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Anthony -
You recognize its in your best interest to avoid Adate or any pay per letter, pay per chat website.The business model itself lends to it being the most profitable for the affiliate local agency in the FSU to dupe or shame,all while leaving the *home agency* free to say "we did not know" or "we will look into it" or "we are shocked and appalled and will take immediate action" etc etc. with the best one being "we are sorry, the suspected shammer will be dealt with and we will give you your credits back to use" ;D
Think of it as a Casino slot machine,a good one that pays back 98%!!
entertaining perhaps, yet if you play around long enough it has your money and time.
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Anthony -
You recognize its in your best interest to avoid Adate or any pay per letter, pay per chat website.The business model itself lends to it being the most profitable for the affiliate local agency in the FSU to dupe or shame,all while leaving the *home agency* free to say "we did not know" or "we will look into it" or "we are shocked and appalled and will take immediate action" etc etc. with the best one being "we are sorry, the suspected shammer will be dealt with and we will give you your credits back to use" ;D
Think of it as a Casino slot machine,a good one that pays back 98%!!
entertaining perhaps, yet if you play around long enough it has your money and time.
Yea Jumper excellent advice..... lets tell all men to use only free sites or monthy pay sites so that the 50+ men can find their 20 something girls and they can be rest assured of finding only serious sincere women!!! :popcorn:
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A/O
You'd be better entertained with the following..
and while still needing to keep your eyes wide open ,a much better chance of finding someone sincere.
Elena's models
freepersonals.ru
mamba.ru
There are plenty more, since I'm married I'm not up to speed on what
is happening with the more legitimate websites lately.
It's best to stay away from pay per letter sites.. or any site where profiles have a preponderance of profile names like 4yourlove, passionblonde, hotsveta4U, hottieangle, candy sun , sexy_suka, etc.
:ROFL:
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You'd be better entertained with the following..
and while still needing to keep your eyes wide open ,a much better chance of finding someone sincere.
Elena's models
freepersonals.ru
mamba.ru
There are plenty more, since I'm married I'm not up to speed on what
is happening with the more legitimate websites lately.
It's best to stay away from pay per letter sites.. or any site where profiles have a preponderance of profile names like 4yourlove, passionblonde, hotsveta4U, hioottieabngle, candy sun , sexy_suka, etc.
:ROFL:
Please re-read what I wrote, you did not get my point.....
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Yea Jumper excellent advice..... lets tell all men to use only free sites or monthy pay sites so that the 50+ men can find their 20 something girls and they can be rest assured of finding only serious sincere women!!! :popcorn:
Hey, why bust my chops? lol
I said he always needed to keep his eyes wide open.
Also, I already gave him the age appropriate ,and be realistic , sermon!
:mooning:
He is more likely to at least have a legit date off the other sites,
where the girls motives might be less than sincere, playing for gifts ?
but he would not be wallowing through the Adate machine
and local affiliate agency scams that include taxi fare, interpreter, restaurant kick backs, flat kickbacks and so on and on!
I'm at least helping to cut out the middle man?
:D
On a legit site, he might even get an email from a sincere FSU woman
more appropriate age wise etc, that might just catch his attention?
The odds are at least better than that occurring on a pay per letter site where 20yo eye candy emails come in 100 per day?
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Please re-read what I wrote, you did not get my point.....
My reply you quoted was actually intended to A/O, I simply failed to address it to him.It's corrected now.
As far as your point, pretty sure I got it.
You think he's quite unrealistic, and so there is no need to offer any advice.
The advice offered was sound.
Any advice isn't worth much if a man is unrealistic in his pursuit,
so i agree the cart needs to be behind the horse.
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A/O
You'd be better entertained with the following..
and while still needing to keep your eyes wide open ,a much better chance of finding someone sincere.
Elena's models
freepersonals.ru
mamba.ru
I'll throw in Bride.ru too. Anthony, I shall warn you that you will not have the same success at these sites with women as you've been having at ADate. When most of the women are sincere and truly looking for the right man, they will not reply to men as often as those who are gold diggers or agency working girls. You also will be dealing with companies who do not write letters on women's behalf. The responses will be fewer, you will have to work harder in gaining and holding the attention of women but almost everything you will experience is real and not a scam.
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A/O
You'd be better entertained with the following..
and while still needing to keep your eyes wide open ,a much better chance of finding someone sincere.
Elena's models
freepersonals.ru
mamba.ru
There are plenty more, since I'm married I'm not up to speed on what
is happening with the more legitimate websites lately.
Hi Jumper,
And thanks for that information.
I do understand the pitfalls of ADATE. Many of my replies are tongue-in-cheek.
I am actually quite cynical now of the whole FSU dating "thing". However, I will press on for a wee bit longer. You never know.......
Best wishes
Anthony
It's best to stay away from pay per letter sites.. or any site where profiles have a preponderance of profile names like 4yourlove, passionblonde, hotsveta4U, hottieangle, candy sun , sexy_suka, etc.
:ROFL:
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I'll throw in Bride.ru too. Anthony, I shall warn you that you will not have the same success at these sites with women as you've been having at ADate. When most of the women are sincere and truly looking for the right man, they will not reply to men as often as those who are gold diggers or agency working girls. You also will be dealing with companies who do not write letters on women's behalf. The responses will be fewer, you will have to work harder in gaining and holding the attention of women but almost everything you will experience is real and not a scam.
Hi Billy B,
I hear you loud and clear.
I will give this site a try and report back with my experience in due course.
Thanks for your interest and guidance.
Cheers
Anthony
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Hi Billy B,
I hear you loud and clear.
I will give this site a try and report back with my experience in due course.
Thanks for your interest and guidance.
Cheers
Anthony
Not to be a 'nudge', but my experience with Bride.Ru is that it is a 'has-been' site. The number of actual new women there seems to be minimal to non-existent. Of course that was 1.5 years ago. Things may have changed by now. Or not.
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Not to be a 'nudge', but my experience with Bride.Ru is that it is a 'has-been' site. The number of actual new women there seems to be minimal to non-existent. Of course that was 1.5 years ago. Things may have changed by now. Or not.
Hi Jone,
Got it!
Thanks.
Anthony
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Not to be a 'nudge', but my experience with Bride.Ru is that it is a 'has-been' site. The number of actual new women there seems to be minimal to non-existent. Of course that was 1.5 years ago. Things may have changed by now. Or not.
The number of new women who have signed up with bride.ru have slowed down over the years but there are still thousands of women there who are available.
Bride.ru advertises on Mamba.ru for new customers. Mamba is more of a dating site to search for locals so most women located in the FSU have no interest in foreign men and/or relocating. Every woman who listed herself on Bride.ru are open to foreign men and/or relocating. I did find my wife on Mamba but it's a uphill battle to get girls to talk to you if you live far from them.
The important thing is Anthony taking the first steps to using other sites. He will learn he's not as popular to ladies at other sites as he was at ADate and younger women aren't as excited to talk to older men as they were on ADate. By leaving the fantasy world, a guy will be in a better place to accomplish his goals and if he can beat his competition, he should have no problem in catching a woman at dating/marriage sites where women don't reply as much.
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Not to be a 'nudge', but my experience with Bride.Ru is that it is a 'has-been' site. The number of actual new women there seems to be minimal to non-existent. Of course that was 1.5 years ago. Things may have changed by now. Or not.
Not. Over these past 5 years or so, their newsletter listing new FSUW members went from daily with 20+ women to about fortnightly with some 12 or so ;).
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I wish I had have found this forum earlier. Oh well.
Here's my experience:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQiARc_wEE
And here's what I found out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRoFuK-r3o8
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This is such old stuff it’s hardly news.
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I did not know anastasiadate.com was behind dating.com. That explains a lot. Same business model.
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Welcome Sync....
There’s still lots of men falling for this PPL scam.
Here’s a video that a member made. It shows two PPL employees chatting about their job scamming foreign men....
http://youtu.be/oV53HnM7244
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I remember being warned by this site years ago:
http://web.archive.org/web/20161122015316/http://www.anastasiadatefraud.com/
That's the last archived version of the site.
I didn't listen. I wish I had.
I've decided to make a third and final video, because after reading around here a bit, I found out some more info.
I know thousands of men have been scammed but I think they are too afraid of the stigma to come forward. In the mean time, here's a petition that you can sign.
"Interpol, investigate AnastasiaDate.com, SOL Networks, billionaire international dating scammer Dmitry Volkov."
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/701/227/723/
It's not so much that I think the petition will work, it's more that I wanted to try to expose certain information, get things off my chest and you can't do that with wikipedia (believe me, I tried). I want the bastard to think twice whenever he crosses an international border. Other petitions of mine have worked and it generally makes me feel better that I at least tried to do something about it.