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First, congratulations on your anniversary!
Second, why do you call the vaccine "poison"? There is nothing in it that you don't either already have in your body, or consume in foods.
There is much in the Death Jab that isn't already in one's body or consumed in foods. How or why you'd make such a statement is a mystery and certainly incorrect. Why my last response to this has been deleted is also a mystery. Nothing in it violates the TOS
Ken I agree with you. It's poison, don't take it. I understand you can fly with a negative PCR and Russia will let you in with a negative PCR. Russia is getting more difficult by the day to do normal things without a death jab. IMHO it isn't worth the chance of getting there and unable to get back at this time. Big Pharma is working it's puppet strings in Russia as well as most of the world
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There is much in the Death Jab that isn't already in one's body or consumed in foods. How or why you'd make such a statement is a mystery and certainly incorrect. Why my last response to this has been deleted is also a mystery. Nothing in it violates the TOS
Ken I agree with you. It's poison, don't take it. I understand you can fly with a negative PCR and Russia will let you in with a negative PCR. Russia is getting more difficult by the day to do normal things without a death jab. IMHO it isn't worth the chance of getting there and unable to get back at this time. Big Pharma is working it's puppet strings in Russia as well as most of the world
I was browsing the internet this morning and happened upon good old CNN. According to them, all the covid deaths at their hospital have been either unvaccinated or old vaccinations with no boosters. They also continue to state the deaths are younger people.
If this is true, the death jab, could be named the 'life jab'.
Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying 'at a rate we've never seen die before' -- and it's taking a toll on health care workers
"Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."
http://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/hospital-covid-19-deaths-michigan/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/hospital-covid-19-deaths-michigan/index.html)
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The last thing anyone wants is to get a bad case of COVID and need medical treatment in the FSU. I got several vaccines while in the national guard for 21 yrs, got the COVID booster, and feel fine.
I now work in the medical field. Almost all of the people I work with are vaccinated. Some are Trump supporters who quietly got vaccinated after losing family members who were not vaccinated or who got a bad case of COVID themselves. My boss finally got his shot after his healthy, athletic, 24 yr old son got COVID. He has been struggling for his life over the past 3 weeks. He is still in critical condition.
Although the Trump supporters at work scoffed at us who got the vaccine and who took precautions, we have been nothing but supportive while they went through their COVID health problems and family deaths. Now, most are vaccinated and moved on from all of the conspiracy theories about vaccines.
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http://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/hospital-covid-19-deaths-michigan/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/hospital-covid-19-deaths-michigan/index.html)
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CNN! That should’ve been your first clue. Just like MSNBC’s Maddow when she circulated the silly story about ivermectin and gunshot victims in Oklahoma. Lol.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/09/bogus-oklahoma-ivermectin-story-was-just-too-good-check/
I’m certain there’s RWD poster who bought into that story, too. There are still many in the US who not only still reads ‘Dreams From My Father’, but still believes Obama is really the messiah. Lol.
According to them, all the covid deaths at their hospital have been either unvaccinated or old vaccinations with no boosters. They also continue to state the deaths are younger people.
:devil: Pretty loaded, isn’t it? Did you notice that feed?
I still remember just before we go down Avalanche Chute in Mammoth mountain, we’d pass around that peppermint schnapps, take a big swig, exhale and say, ‘the best things in life resides on the other side of fear!’
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The last thing anyone wants is to get a bad case of COVID and need medical treatment in the FSU. I got several vaccines while in the national guard for 21 yrs, got the COVID booster, and feel fine.
I now work in the medical field. Almost all of the people I work with are vaccinated. Some are Trump supporters who quietly got vaccinated after losing family members who were not vaccinated or who got a bad case of COVID themselves. My boss finally got his shot after his healthy, athletic, 24 yr old son got COVID. He has been struggling for his life over the past 3 weeks. He is still in critical condition.
Although the Trump supporters at work scoffed at us who got the vaccine and who took precautions, we have been nothing but supportive while they went through their COVID health problems and family deaths. Now, most are vaccinated and moved on from all of the conspiracy theories about vaccines.
Everybody doesn't feel fine after the jab. In fact many folks are dying and getting very ill after the jab. Child deaths are up 60% over just a year ago. Athlete deaths are up 268% over a year ago. Let me take a shot in the dark here civi68 and guess you are a proud Biden supporter? Did you and your coworkers actually have a choice to take the death jab? Or did your employer convince you that in order to win the new $5k drawing at work you needed to have a vaxx card to enter? Maybe you got some free Lotto tickets?
You said you work in the medical field, tell us please what are the ingredients? The complete list, you know the redacted ingredients? You were scoffed at by Trump supporters for getting a jab. Seriously? I will state this emphatically, should I ever get covid the last place I will go is to the hospital. They're killing covid patients there with the covid protocols. The medical community is largely responsible for the plandemic
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Fear-mongering again I see...
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There is much in the Death Jab that isn't already in one's body or consumed in foods. How or why you'd make such a statement is a mystery and certainly incorrect. Why my last response to this has been deleted is also a mystery. Nothing in it violates the TOS
Your last response was not deleted. It was merged with an existing thread.
Here are the contents of the Pfizer vaccine. Please tell me what is not either occurring in the body (such as lipids, which is what the first ingredient is, together with a code to produce an immune response), or is not consumed by humans in foods-
ALC-03415=((4-hydroxybutyl)azandediyl)bis(hexande-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALB-0159=2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide1,2=Disteroyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine cholesterol
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
monobasic potassium phosphate
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
sucrose
water for injection
You know what arguably was a poison - not existing in the human body until injected in a vaccine? The polio vaccine. But that vaccine changed history for the better.
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Fear-mongering again I see...
Fear mongering would be trying to convince the gullible to take the death jab or else they'll die and/or kill others because they didn't. You know, like you do?
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Your last response was not deleted. It was merged with an existing thread.
Here are the contents of the Pfizer vaccine. Please tell me what is not either occurring in the body (such as lipids, which is what the first ingredient is, together with a code to produce an immune response), or is not consumed by humans in foods-
ALC-03415=((4-hydroxybutyl)azandediyl)bis(hexande-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALB-0159=2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide1,2=Disteroyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine cholesterol
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
monobasic potassium phosphate
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
sucrose
water for injection
You know what arguably was a poison - not existing in the human body until injected in a vaccine? The polio vaccine. But that vaccine changed history for the better.
FTR, I did not start this thread. My question posed to you was in KeninUtah's traveling to Moscow thread. Why do you have a driving need to move it around?
Boe there is much redacted from the lists of ingredients in all of the vaccines and Big Pharma is not required to disclose them. I am really astonished at the level of stupidity you're displaying and I have no chance of comprehending it. It is truly killing and maiming folks and you have no clue. You are truly lost
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Fear mongering would be trying to convince the gullible to take the death jab or else they'll die and/or kill others because they didn't. You know, like you do?
Providing contrast to your misguided assertions is not fear-mongering. But you do bring up a good point. I should be applying Hanlon's Razor more liberally.
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FTR, I did not start this thread. My question posed to you was in KeninUtah's traveling to Moscow thread. Why do you have a driving need to move it around?
Boe there is much redacted from the lists of ingredients in all of the vaccines and Big Pharma is not required to disclose them. I am really astonished at the level of stupidity you're displaying and I have no chance of comprehending it. It is truly killing and maiming folks and you have no clue. You are truly lost
No adequate response so a deflection. Lol
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At this point, anyone who denies the risks and injuries (and deaths) sustained by some who have received injections is willfully dishonest, brainwashed or 'unwashed'.
The evidence available points to natural immunity providing greater protection than the injections, injections don't stop transmission, injections don't stop infection, and injections can cause serious harm.
People are more than welcome to make their own informed decisions but I don't believe a great percentage of those who have received injections have done so with free and informed consent. Hell, Pfizer wants to suppress trial data for 75 years. If that doesn't ring alarm bells I don't know what will.
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FP, in Canada, every ingredient in any drug you are taking, whether orally or injected, must be readily available. So everything I listed is, in fact, all that is in the Pfizer vaccine.
In the UK, as of September 24, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated is 1.10 vs 5.40 for the unvaccinated. (Note, this is per 100,000.)
In Switzerland as of December 4, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated is 0.74 vs 8.63 for the unvaccinated.
In Chile as of December 4, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated plus 1 booster shot is 0.23, among the fully vaccinated, 1.99, and among the partially vaccinated or unvaccinated, 3.15.
In the US, as of October 2, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated with Pfizer is 0.78, among the fully vaccinated with Moderna, 0.86, among the fully vaccinated with Johnson & Johnson, 1.17, among the unvaccinated, 5.0.
Deaths from COVID vaccines, even AstraZeneca, are very rare.
Pfizer wants to suppress trial data for 75 years.
Link? I have seen results of their studies, so clearly, they aren't suppressing everything.
ETA - I found this.
http://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/ (http://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/)
It appears it's the FDA that is having issues, not Pfizer. I don't even know if I'd call it a restriction. The FDA needs to go through the information page by page for FOIA requests, it appears. The 75 years is how long the FDA estimates it will take them to go through all the materials, at 500 pages per month. The FDA proposes to release high priority information by January. I am not particularly surprised by this - a government agency reacts bureaucratically, and estimates it can't review more than 23 pages a day of a file.
Here's another opinion on the matter -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/13/55-years-fulfill-records-request-clearly-fda-needs-serious-reform-its-data-sharing-practices/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/13/55-years-fulfill-records-request-clearly-fda-needs-serious-reform-its-data-sharing-practices/)
But this is no coverup. This glacial pace is broadly consistent with the FDA’s standard timelines for fulfilling record requests. The FDA does often prioritize more important documents, but complete responses can take years. The agency’s FOIA office is badly backlogged, with more than 3,000 (http://www.hhs.gov/foia/reports/annual-reports/2020/index.html) requests outstanding at the end of 2020. The agency routinely fails (http://researchintegrityjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s41073-019-0086-2) to meet response deadlines set by Congress.
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FP, in Canada, every ingredient in any drug you are taking, whether orally or injected, must be readily available. So everything I listed is, in fact, all that is in the Pfizer vaccine.
Keep telling yourself that if you need to
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Keep telling yourself that if you need to
These 'responses' you are giving are completely lame. She has provided good information. Maybe it is you that is the uncooperative lemming. I may be no different in that I haven't got the shot, but I wouldn't pretend I'm right and science is wrong. For you, you have to pretend to be right, when scientists and stats around the globe by and large are showing the shots are saving more than they are killing. Not everything is some grand worldwide conspiracy. It is about time you be a good little boy, line up for your meal of Ensure, potato chips, and 'death jab'.
(http://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/YSSC08AWowfR/sZv3aHvf4ydJ_640x360.jpg)
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These 'responses' you are giving are completely lame. She has provided good information. Maybe it is you that is the uncooperative lemming. I may be no different in that I haven't got the shot, but I wouldn't pretend I'm right and science is wrong. For you, you have to pretend to be right, when scientists and stats around the globe by and large are showing the shots are saving more than they are killing. Not everything is some grand worldwide conspiracy. It is about time you be a good little boy, line up for your meal of Ensure, potato chips, and 'death jab'.
Geez...who exactly is the good information keeper in the US these days? CDC? FDA? LMAO! Did you missed all the gyrations and vacillations those two made the past 2 years? CNN? FOX maybe MSNBC?
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but at least I'd like to believe there's always a very viable argument from both sides. Many Americans lately, especially clearly seen in how the media AND politicians had spread tales and lies many swore to be the 'truth and nothing but the truth' the past 5 years - BLATANTLY - and still are lying to us. Selective censorships, information suppression, false information feed and saturation, etc...Our society had slowly been saturated with mass psychosis. Our society had started acting like wildebeests. They don't know exactly why, but they conform to the general mass movement because of inner drives they pretend to understand but cannot explain. You should read about that.
2 years after this pandemic, there isn't a medical institution (Not Harvard, not John Hopkins, etc..) that had established a treatment protocol to treat and prevent hospitalization and death from COVID-19. None. All roads, according to our institutions, must lead to vaccination!! Bar none. WHY? Doesn't that strike you weird? Can you grasp how many likely need not die had there actually been a treatment protocol established by any of the hundreds, if not thousands, of medical institutions in the US and worldwide?
Here, I'll give you a little math exercise as it relates to vaccinated people dying of COVID-19 and what the realistic values are. I will isolate the exercise in the most vulnerable segment of our society. The old farts.
Total # of residents in certified nursing facilities in the US - report dated 2020 (caveat, not sure if the number of resident in NY was before or after Andrew Cuomo killed many of them - hahah (visualize Tucker Carlson laugh here)
1,290,177 old farts. Report in the year of 2020
Citation (http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-nursing-facility-residents/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D)
US estimated number of personnel working in these nursing facilities:
600,000+. Roughly a 2:1 ratio residents to staff. Pretty good ratio.
Citation (http://chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/viewer.html?pdfurl=https%3A%2F%2Fphinational.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Flegacy%2Fphi-nursing-assistants-key-facts.pdf&clen=609635&chunk=true)
Data from Center for Medical Services (CMS), updated as recently as December 10, 2021, are the following:
86.8% of vaccinated residents per facility; 75.9% vaccinated staff per facility.
Citation (http://data.cms.gov/covid-19/covid-19-nursing-home-data)
Active cases of COVID-19: Resident 734,953; Staff: 686,520 (for better or worse - figuratively all of them)
Death: Residents 140,794; Staff 2,162. (in essence, reflects what we generally know. Old farts die with greater frequency than the young).
So if we took those silly numbers cited above for the US, even using the 'reported' Pfizer low death rate of .78/100K vs. (high) reported death rate of Trump supporters of 5/100K - go ahead, exercise your basic mathematic acuity and see if those *reported* ratio resembles the actual 'controlled' study report with nursing homes report. Tell me what you find.
Moreover, to report Pfizer have a lower death rate than Moderna is faulty, if not CNNesque because a) Pfizer is used far more widely than Moderna, and b) Moderna actually have 96.3% effectiveness than Pfizer's 88.8%.
Citation (http://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison)
Always be skeptical when you read or hear reports about most of those dying are the unvaccinated, etc. While there is in fact 'some' mortality benefit in vaccination (age/ immuno-compromised) - it is on a wider scale - and all things considered (age/health state - statistically insignificant)). Use rational thinking in your evaluation of what we know now, and how to best apply them. Never be driven to be swayed, and easily stake your belief and argument solely by your emotion - those you like from those you do not. Understand what *Differential Treatment* means and its purpose in the current era of COVID-19/Vaccine.
If you have the time and/or interest, it will behoove you to read John Hopkins’ The SPARS Pandemic 2025-2028: A Futuristic Scenario to Facilitate Countermeasure Communication.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/Center-projects/completed-projects/spars-pandemic-scenario.html (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/Center-projects/completed-projects/spars-pandemic-scenario.html)
It's that 89-page PDF file just to your right on this page. You’ll be surprised to know these vaccines had been under development at least 2 years before the first known case of COVID-19.
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I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but at least I'd like to believe there's always a very viable argument from both sides. Many Americans lately, especially clearly seen in how the media AND politicians had spread tales and lies many swore to be the 'truth and nothing but the truth' the past 5 years - BLATANTLY - and still are lying to us. Selective censorships, information suppression, false information feed and saturation, etc...Our society had slowly been saturated with mass psychosis. Our society had started acting like wildebeests. They don't know exactly why, but they conform to the general mass movement because of inner drives they pretend to understand but cannot explain. You should read about that.
Ha! I'm envisioning a herd of buffalo suddenly all in unison taking off! Most of us poor people just don't know what to do and just instinctively join in. Personally, I'm just holding my position as a not interested in vax, for better or worse....at this time. I held my position once when I shattered my thumb, wouldn't see a doctor for a month because I didn't think it was too bad. Of course, I'm no great example, by the time I saw the doc, I had caused more/permanent damage. In the case of the covard virus, the permanent damage can be a minor case of death.
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Its personal risk assessment , with a world mortality rate of 0.007
Obviously in third world countries losing tens of thousands weekly under regular conditions, the ones being related to covid might be underreported, but the healthcare availability isn't as good which offsets that some.
So living in a western nation, it would come down to ones own age and health factors.
The primary fear mongering done on both sides clouds the amount of real health concern for the average person.
I'm not very risk adverse in general.
I also was very sick back.in February March the prior year when this first broke and noone in.my area had tests for it.
I was given the normal course.of treatment for pneumonia.
Whatever it was had me down for a long time and longer recovery than I've ever had.
Never was curious enough to get an antibody test now that they are available to see.
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You’ll be surprised to know these vaccines had been under development at least 2 years before the first known case of COVID-19.[/size][/font]
No surprise at all.
http://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/21/fact-check-covid-19-vaccine-nearly-20-years-making/3873247001/
This was discussed in prior forum threads a while back.
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So living in a western nation, it would come down to ones own age and health factors.
The primary fear mongering done on both sides clouds the amount of real health concern for the average person.
Mostly true, although I saw a buddy (With no risk factors) have to fight for his life and still dealing with health effects months later.
To this point, it seems omicron isn't as bad as the original version of the virus. Overall, it seems to me that society just needs to move towards normalcy. Those with considerable risk factors should protect themselves.
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I disagree with you, Bill.
The UK has a centre of right government, which has encouraged vaccinations for its population. My province is run by a very right wing government, yet it has encouraged full vaccination. It has bribed the vaccine hesitant with cash ($200 for full vaccination), and government run lotteries for the vaccinated. Provincially, we are now at a little over 77% fully vaccinated. Those working in government must be vaccinated, or be placed on leave.
I don't think it's a "left/right" paradigm. I think it's a science/anti science paradigm.
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I don't think it's a "left/right" paradigm. I think it's a science/anti science paradigm.
Reticence and objection to vaccines are the direct product of propagandized disinformation, purposefully construed to leverage fear, uncertainty, and doubt to gain political, financial, and other influential powers. Creating loud and captive audiences leveraged at beck and call, using false, dubious, and illogical sound bites for any deceitful cause or purpose is nothing new.
It is straight from argumentum in terrorem chapter of the logical fallacy playbook, often used to create and promote anti-social causes and gain power by fueling a strategy of divide et impera. Essentially, entire movements are created, with near-total reliance on self-amplifying fallacies that instill mistrust of governing bodies and even within them.
The big difference over the past is that today, it all starts with just a few mouse click, at nearly the speed of light, and is almost instantly monetized.
Unfortunately, despite the many hard-learned lessons in history, far too many of us still fall into the trap without even recognizing it.
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Reticence and objection Acceptance and encouraging others to covid death jabs are the direct product of propagandized disinformation, purposefully construed to leverage fear, uncertainty, and doubt to gain political, financial, and other influential powers. Creating loud and captive audiences leveraged at beck and call, using false, dubious, and illogical sound bites for any deceitful cause or purpose is nothing new.
It is straight from argumentum in terrorem chapter of the logical fallacy playbook, often used to create and promote anti-social causes and gain power by fueling a strategy of divide et impera. Essentially, entire movements are created, with near-total reliance on self-amplifying fallacies that instill mistrust of governing bodies and even within them.
The big difference over the past is that today, it all starts with just a few mouse click, at nearly the speed of light, and is almost instantly monetized.
Unfortunately, despite the many hard-learned lessons in history, far too many of us still fall into the trap without even recognizing it.
There, fixed that for you. You're welcome
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FP,
Thanks for providing a perfect example that fully substantiates and validates the premise of the unaltered version of my post.
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News came to us late afternoon yesterday that 3 of our field folks tested positive, another is sick at home and not yet tested. All 4 vaccinated, one boosted.
We had our Xmas dinner last Friday. The suspicion of course was that was where the guys got dinged. Wifey urged I get tested, so did sometime after learning of the news. Batman result - undetected. Must be my silly waning natural immunity. How fitting, I thought, from all these recent discussion.
Either I am so lucky since Darrel, one of the guys down, was seated next to me almost the entire time, or could be that avocado smoothie / Vit. D I have for my breakfast that did it.
Poor guys, hopeful for their speedy recoveries. After all, the vaccine is supposed to keep them from hospitalization.
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Life.
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So many nutty things were deluded with in this pandemic of lunacy. Thousands of first responders, firefighters, police, paramedics, etc are getting fired for refusing to get vaccinated.
What’s mystifying really are those we all called heroes that were on the front lines during the dark days of heavy hospitalization due to Covid 19 assault. Many fell sick, some died, most survived. Yet they came back and faced the devil many amongst us (actually you, not me hahah) cower in their beds masked up while at home sleeping ( you know who you are).
Point is, the fact hospitals already are at its precarious state of dwindling personnel, why fire naturally immune staff who are not only very qualified to take care of these patients, but are actually brave enough to face the very same disease they’ve been facing for the last two years !?!
The freaking politics of this virus is what is killing many amongst us for the unscientific decisions being made in dealing with this virus.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/10/04/new-yorks-largest-healthcare-provider-fires-1400-employees-who-refused-to-get-vaccinated/amp/
LA crime rate is one of the worst it’s ever been, yet many cops are fired and are losing their pensions for refusing the vaccine. Firefighters, same. These are the same guys we relied on during those massive wildfires of summers.
Nutty pandemic of lunacy, hysterics and paranoia.
“Yes sir, you can take your cloth and porous but trendy mask off once you’re seated down as now you’re no longer a danger to yourself and others”
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FP,
Thanks for providing a perfect example that fully substantiates and validates the premise of the unaltered version of my post.
Indeed a perfect example BC of your failure to hold up a mirror to your own self. You are exactly what you accuse of others. I'm beginning to think all of your posts should be tagged with "Sponsored by Big Pharm"
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GQ, when the fires start back up, the city burnings and looting and they will, there will be no one to come except the federalized police force in blue helmuts. They hospitals do not need those same folks they praised just a year or so ago. If the truth were to come to light they didn't need them then. They needed those people to save lives, not murder them as is the covid protocols dictate. It appears most those going to the hospitals now are the ones taking the death jabs
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It appears most those going to the hospitals now are the ones taking the death jabs
Ha! You and your 'death jabs'.
So many nutty things were deluded with in this pandemic of lunacy. Thousands of first responders, firefighters, police, paramedics, etc are getting fired for refusing to get vaccinated.
I don't like what has happened to people. They should have had the choice and been forced into getting the 'death jab'. :D
. Must be my silly waning natural immunity. How fitting, I thought, from all these recent discussion.
Either I am so lucky since Darrel, one of the guys down, was seated next to me almost the entire time, or could be that avocado smoothie / Vit. D I have for my breakfast that did it.
I'll say it is natural immunity over the little avocado smoothie! I was visiting San Diego a couple days ago and turned on the TV in the hotel room. The local news was reporting that they were testing the sewage (Shit), and they are finding lots of omicron in the samples. I guess it hits the digestive system first. Within a couple weeks I think everybody, and their uncle will be catching a little touch of omicron.
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There, fixed that for you. You're welcome
Acceptance and encouraging others to covid death jabs are the direct product of propagandized disinformation, purposefully construed to leverage fear, uncertainty, and doubt to gain political, financial, and other influential powers
You seem to believe there is a grand worldwide conspiracy with this virus. Perhaps earth's human population was running into a wall, and this is the plan to start the depopulation process. I just don't see the nations of the world all in on a conspiracy of this nature.
The luxuries we (In the US) are diminishing. Reminds me of Colombia. Less product choice in supermarkets. Less services, unreliability. For us older people it is a change. For the younger people this may be the new normal.
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I don't think it's a "left/right" paradigm. I think it's a science/anti science paradigm.
Here in the US, it seems to be a Left/Right issue as much as anything else with exceptions. I'm not sure the politics in other countries are as rancid as they have become here though, so elsewhere it may be more heavily influenced by science/anti science.
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Indeed a perfect example BC of your failure to hold up a mirror to your own self. You are exactly what you accuse of others. I'm beginning to think all of your posts should be tagged with "Sponsored by Big Pharm"
Ad hominem, which does not even come close to addressing the information and logic in my post. A simple fallacy used by politicians of late when they have run out of substance to justify their position. Usually, such is followed by cheers or round of laughter. Somewhat akin to cheerleaders at the Super-Bowl that have no affect on the outcome of the game, only serving to entertain and rally the audience.
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Indeed a perfect example BC of your failure to hold up a mirror to your own self. You are exactly what you accuse of others. I'm beginning to think all of your posts should be tagged with "Sponsored by Big Pharm"
Interesting events that had taken place recently. JRE’s podcast guest was none other than Dr. Robert Malone. One of the pioneer, if not the man behind the mRNA development circa HIV period. Dr Malone was abruptly banned from Twitter simply for referencing a video in his post done by the Canadian Covid Care Alliance Group.
Unless any of you can discredit Dr Robert Malone’s CV, or that of CCCA, or your qualification is equal to or superior to those two entities, then the least our prevailing belief culture these days refrain from this utterly unbelievable biased censorship. There’s something more sinister going on than this viral pandemic.
The article that contained the banned video:
http://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html
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A coalition of over 16,000+ international physicians and scientists conspiring and spreading SARS-CoV2 misinformation.
NOT.
http://globalcovidsummit.org/
An example of absurd censorship and demonization, all 3 authors of the Great Barrington Declaration are attacked and demonized by Fauci and company.
http://gbdeclaration.org/
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An example of absurd censorship and demonization, all 3 authors of the Great Barrington Declaration are attacked and demonized by Fauci and company.
http://gbdeclaration.org/
Considering the context when this document was published, can't find much to object to. In fact, much in the document was tried with more, or less success. I did not see any update that reflects what we know about vaccines nowadays. As with vaccinations, having been infected prior is not a panacea.
http://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/omicron-largely-evades-immunity-from-past/
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Fortunately vaccines were available shortly thereafter. In many places strict lockdowns stopped in favor of other prudent measures.
The FAQ is also pretty clear. Not much that deserves objection. http://gbdeclaration.org/frequently-asked-questions/
Is the Great Barrington Declaration advocating a ‘herd immunity strategy’?
No. Those making such claims in the media have either (i) not read the document, (ii) do not understand the basic principles of infectious disease epidemiology, or (iii) are willfully distorting the public health message for political purposes.
Does the Great Barrington Declaration advocate for “Letting the virus run free”?
No, that is a false characterization, as it advocates the opposite.
Should people deliberately get infected to generate herd immunity?
No.
The document calls for "Focused protection". We were not able to achieve that focus in real terms, likely due to the large number of vulnerable in our population, not only older folks.
Have any links of Fauci directly criticizing this document at the time it was published?
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http://youtu.be/IY5L6B9z9nc
Ever wonder why the malaria belt nations of Africa, states surrounding the vaxxed nation of Israel and the rest of the countries that’s hardly endowed with the means and access to vaccine - have a far lower rate of mortality?
Ever wonder why and how that if this vaccine have an efficacy of over 90% the death rate after a year with it is equal to the year without?
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Ever wonder why the malaria belt nations of Africa, states surrounding the vaxxed nation of Israel and the rest of the countries that’s hardly endowed with the means and access to vaccine - have a far lower rate of mortality?
I'm guessing the african nation is much younger, and even the older people are probably not obese generally speaking. The really old or unhealthy are probably already dead from something else in the African nations that don't have the greatest modern health care.
Ever wonder why and how that if this vaccine have an efficacy of over 90% the death rate after a year with it is equal to the year without?
Is this accurate? Is the death rate actually the same now as it was prior to vaccines? Most of the stuff I read makes it seem that the unvaccinated (In the US) are the ones mostly dying. Apparently, I'm not convinced personally as still have avoided the 'death jab'.
Fathertime!
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I'm guessing the african nation is much younger, and even the older people are probably not obese generally speaking. The really old or unhealthy are probably already dead from something else in the African nations that don't have the greatest modern health care.
You would be mostly correct. Which then should give you more than an ample cause to pause especially when you factor in the fact the majority of the dead in our country are those with comorbidity, the majority of them with an average of 4.
Why vaccinate the young, notably young children who have a natural defense against this virus and an absurd low rate of mortality, and the healthy? Especially since the ‘approved vaccine’ have a very dubious clinical beginnings by a highly criminalized manufacturer?
Is this accurate? Is the death rate actually the same now as it was prior to vaccines? Most of the stuff I read makes it seem that the unvaccinated (In the US) are the ones mostly dying. Apparently, I'm not convinced personally as still have avoided the 'death jab'.
Fathertime!
http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Scroll down and get to the graphs for Total Deaths. Cursor along the line graphs until you get to December 20, 2020. That’s the vaccine/s roll out date. It’ll give you a cumulative rolling death count since deceased #1.
Important point to remember, they intentionally targeted the ‘most vulnerable’ to curb the death rate before rolling it out for the younger/healthier sector.
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http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Scroll down and get to the graphs for Total Deaths. Cursor along the line graphs until you get to December 20, 2020. That’s the vaccine/s roll out date. It’ll give you a cumulative rolling death count since deceased #1.
Important point to remember, they intentionally targeted the ‘most vulnerable’ to curb the death rate before rolling it out for the younger/healthier sector.
Very interesting charts. It doesn't appear the number of deaths is improving very much. I do notice that at this very moment roughly 13.5 million people in the US have the virus. 4% of the people RIGHT NOW have the virus.
Here are many facts to consider.
1. The number of deaths isn't improving,
2. the total infected is rising to it's highest level
3. the recent strain isn't as deadly as the 1st strain
4. roughly 62% of the US population is vaccinated
5. many of the most vulnerable are already dead, yet number of deaths remains similar.
I'm not sure what to make of all this while we are in the midst of it.
Fathertime!
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Very interesting charts. It doesn't appear the number of deaths is improving very much. I do notice that at this very moment roughly 13.5 million people in the US have the virus. 4% of the people RIGHT NOW have the virus.
Here are many facts to consider.
1. The number of deaths isn't improving,
2. the total infected is rising to it's highest level
3. the recent strain isn't as deadly as the 1st strain
4. roughly 62% of the US population is vaccinated
5. many of the most vulnerable are already dead, yet number of deaths remains similar.
I'm not sure what to make of all this while we are in the midst of it.
Fathertime!
LMAO! Imagine that! 2 years and you, as everyone else, can't seem to make sense in any of this. Allegedly this strain is infecting everyone like flies on a carcass. Despite the experts saying the vaccine doesn't seem to work on this strain, they're still telling people to boostered-up for protection. Go figure...
My SIL and her hubby, after avoiding the vaccine as long as they did, finally relented for green passes and got vaxxed 1.5 months ago (Pfizer). Wifey spoke to her this afternoon, and both just tested positive for COVID. Go figure...
Vaccine, efficacy, boosters, do yah really wanna! and all that good stuff.
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Ha! You and your 'death jabs'.
I don't like what has happened to people. They should have had the choice and been forced into getting the 'death jab'. :D
Fathertime!
As the saying goes, find comfort amongst those you agree with, growth amongst those you do not. FP’s descriptive perception of the vaccine being a ‘death jab’ doesn’t fly too far from more than a few people who has deep personal experiences from these vaccines.
First, here’s a website: http://www.c19vaxreactions.com/
Largely omitted and censored from mainstream and social media respectively.
Second, I give Dr. Campbell’s YouTube interview, including the over 20,000 comments that shared a complimenting additional personal cases of adverse reactions to these vaccines.
http://youtu.be/lB5oR2gFQEw
Lastly, as a public service, like an ex-GF previously asked that I cut the plastics that hold a typical six pack of cans on all sides before tossing them for disposal, wifey had asked I do the same with the mask’s ear bands before disposal.
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Have any links of Fauci directly criticizing this document at the time it was published?
Links? No. I don't really Google for any of these. But here's a video of The Rising's Kim Aversen. The specific subject topic started at 3:20. FYI, it isn't speculation nor misinformation either. Emails between Fauci and Collins, Head of the NIH, exchanged the following, I quote "there needs to be a quick and devasting publish takedown of its premise (The Great Barrington)."
http://youtu.be/3jT59eDDB7U
Wherever you are with this matter, lockdowns is/are devasting not only for any economy (as we now see in the US (me, not you. You're not here), but it is also detrimental, even more so since science had isolated the vulnerable set group to SarsCoV2, to overall public health.
Heck, Toronto's public health official had just instituted another lockdown on schools, indoor dining, gyms, etc...I suppose that's for Canadians to munch on.
As for us here in the US, the Great Lie is starting to unravel in front of our eyes thanks in large measure for the omicron variant. Ironic when Fauci actually commented on the video below that the hospitalization number for children being sensationalized by the media. They are in the hospital not 'because' of COVID, but with COVID...
http://youtu.be/SVlUrFAauP4
I like how Enjetti framed what the government is actually doing to us as not having anything to do with 'science' - as this silly goal post kept moving and changing - but rather 'social engineering'. Not too far from Dr. Desmet's Mass Formation Psychosis.
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'Wisdom comes with age!' It's quite obvious Oscar Wilde never had the opportunity to meet Joe Biden. And if we think we're in trouble for having such a brain-dead president, guess who else came to this geriatric dinner?
Remember when he wanted to censor those who spreads misinformation about this virus (LMAO)? Well he would be elated to know the SCOTUS heard oral arguments today to decide on his vaccine mandate for the private sector. All liberal justices' oral arguments in support of his mandate had these to say...
..the best way to prevent the spread of COVID-19 is for people to get vaccinated, and the second best way is to wear masks.
Biden’s vaccine mandate would bring the number of daily cases down to zero. 750 million people tested positive for COVID-19 on Thursday.
the omicron variant is just as deadly as the delta variant and that more than 100,000 children have been hospitalized by COVID-19, with many on ventilators.
We really are screwed as a country these days. To quote the Washington Examiner,
It is impossible to take seriously the arguments from people who can't be bothered to get their facts first. That especially applies to Supreme Court Justices, who are charged with making important legal decisions that affect every single one of us. Kagan, Breyer, and Sotomayor proved on Friday that they either don't care about the facts or they just don't care to be taken seriously.
Numbnuts for snowflakes.
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Numbnuts for snowflakes.
You don't provide links for your quotes?
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You don't provide links for your quotes?
I tried to post the link 4 times. It gets all bungled up when posted and leads to a blank site. I'll try this again.
Liberal Supreme Court justices spread COVID-19 misinformation | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/liberal-supreme-court-justices-spread-covid-19-misinformation)
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Opinion of an opinion. Ok.
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Seems Fauci, or Malone,etc etc etc, have opinions , of opinions ?
How data,studies, are interpreted is opinion.
peer review is a standard for good reason.Now the issue is not all peers agree.
When did expecting a second opinion* on medical treatment become out of vogue?
It is like it happened over night.
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Opinion of an opinion. Ok.
Hysterical!! ROFLMAO! The whole, "I rely on facts" redefined!
http://youtu.be/7d2BMamofIE
Perhaps more disturbingly, Sotomayor said at another point in the argument that “I’m not sure I understand the distinction why the states would have the power” to institute a rule like the one being pursued by the Biden administration, “but the federal government wouldn’t.
Supreme Court’s liberal justices slammed over vax mandate statements (nypost.com) (http://nypost.com/2022/01/07/supreme-courts-liberal-justices-slammed-over-vax-mandate-statements/)
Shocking for a SCOTUS's Justice would actually say something as inane as this...leave it to the numbnuts!
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Opinion of an opinion. Ok.
LMAO! Now we see how you always relied on facts, BC!!
Liberal Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor says 100,000 children are hospitalized with COVID | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380481/Liberal-Supreme-Court-Justice-Sonia-Sotomayor-says-100-000-children-hospitalized-COVID.html)
Liberal Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor under fire for overstating that 100,000 children are currently hospitalized with COVID and 'many are on ventilators' while Stephen Breyer says there have been 750 MILLION cases
:ROFL: :shock: :ROFL:
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Seems Fauci, or Malone,etc etc etc, have opinions , of opinions ?
How data,studies, are interpreted is opinion.
peer review is a standard for good reason.Now the issue is not all peers agree.
When did expecting a second opinion* on medical treatment become out of vogue?
It is like it happened over night.
The fact this pandemic was highly politicized both by the democrats and it’s propaganda machinations defined as ‘social’ and ‘mainstream’ media, it had given way to obstructive censorship as the new normal. Science had been nullified and voided by this supposed ‘progressive’ values. It’s the 21st century corruption and greed by the liberals.
It is one thing to say anyone can make an error now and then, but in the case of BDB, brain dead Biden, he does it literally almost everything he says anything beyond 5 minutes. Worse now, 3 count that, three liberal judges are so ill informed about which they based their arguments on to levy legal decisions for all of us!!! It’s complete, all 3 branches of our current government are littered by the mentally handicapped!
Science and truth begone! Debates no longer apply. Fact redefined hereto forward! It’s the age of totalitarianism.
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LMAO! Now we see how you always relied on facts, BC!!
From your posted link
(http://i.postimg.cc/PrFgstmy/Screen-Shot-2022-01-09-at-18-42-12.png)
Exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less.
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I tried to post the link 4 times. It gets all bungled up when posted and leads to a blank site. I'll try this again.
Liberal Supreme Court justices spread COVID-19 misinformation | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/liberal-supreme-court-justices-spread-covid-19-misinformation)
Thank you, I appreciate you making the effort.
Edit to add, I found this article after reading yours.
Walensky says Sotomayor's pediatric COVID hospitalization number was off dramatically
The Supreme Court justice claimed there are more than 100,000 children in 'serious condition' from COVID-19. CDC director corrects Justice Sotomayor on mischaracterization of pediatric hospitalizations
CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky joined 'Fox News Sunday' to discuss the latest on pediatric hospitalizations, arguing the number of children's cases of COVID-19 is fewer than 3,500.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/walensky-sotomayors-pediatric-covid-hospitalization-number-off-96-5
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Cali terminated 2000 medical.staff workers over none vaccination.
Now they are putting guidelines in place for covid19 positive, but asymptomatic staff, be required to work.
Since it's to be primarly with covid19 patients I can understand the premise.
Maybe ,just maybe they should also rethink terminating staff previously and the planned second round of that coming up.
Youd imagine a decent percent of that staff has prior exposer regardless.
Are they more likely to transmit than someone testing positive?
Newscum has yet to comment,go figure.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/california-health-department-covid-positive-health-workers-continue-working
Granted its foxy news, but the terminations and new guidelines were reported in.other.sources as well.
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Cali terminated 2000 medical.staff workers over none vaccination.
My biggest disagreement is that none of the mandates considers whether
the workers had already had covid. If you had covid and recovered then
you should not be mandated to get a vaccination.
What percentage of medical staff workers caught Covid?
"10 states regularly update the number of healthcare workers that have contracted COVID-19. Of these states, California, Pennsylvania, and Ohio have the highest
rates of healthcare workers with coronavirus. On average, 10.9% of all cases
of coronavirus are among healthcare workers, with some states like New
Hampshire and Maine being over 20%."
Source: Registered Nursing dot Org
http://www.registerednursing.org/articles/cdc-estimates-nurse-healthcare-worker-covid19-cases-likely-understated/
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Yeap.
That is why requiring a antibody test or similar might have been more prudent than termination.
The short staffing concern existed prior to covid19.
You'd think administration both state and private would be looking at ways to retain staff.
While I don't see black helicopters, it's despicable how both sides of this politically maneuvered, mis informed, lied by omission etc.
I don't expect the head of the CDC to know the exact* percentage of staff that are vaccinated or exempt as they working from home,
However if called to a congressional hearing on federal vax mandates and such going forward, to not have a good general idea and sidestep these questions completely is equally ludicrous.
You should indeed within your department be following the guidelines you've laid out anc recommended nationwide ,and know for certain that you are.
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My biggest disagreement is that none of the mandates considers whether
the workers had already had covid. If you had covid and recovered then
you should not be mandated to get a vaccination.
Yeap.
That is why requiring a antibody test or similar might have been more prudent than termination.
While I don't see black helicopters, it's despicable how both sides of this politically maneuvered, mis informed, lied by omission etc
It seems it's not just the states, most of the world has gone crazy over the virus. That fact always makes me a bit suspicious of what the public may not know. Why is it that there (Appears to be) such an overreaction? Of course, I could be wrong, if not for mitigation, maybe millions more would be dead, in which case the reaction we are undertaking would be appropriate.
Fathertime!
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The moving goal posts,while expected somewhat, I feel are a big part of the publics uncertainty.
You can't say 10 day quarantine is needed,then say 5 day is OK ,when cases are at an all time high.
The conflicting protocols, like some states closing restaurants and hair salons but holding their 2 million attended state fair is just going to undermine the seriousness.
Yiu walk into a Cafe masked but can take if off 15 feet later.
It either is ,or isn't prudent..
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Things like our local city mayor Beetlejuice.
"Mayor Lori E. Lightfoot
@chicagosmayor
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Jan 8
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@CTULocal1
leadership, you’re not listening.
The best, safest place for kids to be is in school. Students need to be back in person as soon as possible.
That’s what parents want. That’s what the science supports. We will not relent."
So the science supports that during a pandemics high point of cases the safest place for our children isn't remote learning, but being in the classroom.
That was the opposite to the msyors stance previously.
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The moving goal posts,while expected somewhat, I feel are a big part of the publics uncertainty.
You can't say 10 day quarantine is needed,then say 5 day is OK ,when cases are at an all time high.
The conflicting protocols, like some states closing restaurants and hair salons but holding their 2 million attended state fair is just going to undermine the seriousness.
Yiu walk into a Cafe masked but can take if off 15 feet later.
It either is ,or isn't prudent..
Go figure...
When you have a sexual molesting, brain-dead president; an imbecile, useless, hated 'c' for a VP; a pathological lying scumbag for your chief medical officer Fauci; a crackpot, fumbling medical agency CDC who changes its mind on a day that ends in 'y', and a fleet of crony politicians in congress too busy setting up donors' payback bank accounts and their retirement plans - and NOW making matters even more absurd - a trio of liberal looney bins as justices in the supreme court blatantly or ignorantly making up physt for their argument - what you have is a cluster fact of an administration and we still have 3 more years of this mess! You thought the Carter administration was bad?!? LMAO!
Who voted for these dumbphucks?
Rising inflation, record setting opioid deaths, southern border uncontrollable mess, log-jammed legislation within their own party, phucked-up foreign affairs, a pandemic of lunacy. If that isn't enough, daddy brain-dead is going to get us in a war for a country halfway around the world and of no use for us. How can people be these phucking stupid!!!
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http://youtu.be/pxiQeZ21SFU
http://youtu.be/QabAtYBnqro
LMAO! Almost a year after the vaccine rollout, and all the silliness the CDC had been recommending vaccine for everyone else, they haven't the phucking clue how many of their own employees are actually vaccinated all this time.
http://youtu.be/JGOTYtDD6lc
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The evolution of science in the current United States of America: Masking...
April 2020: CDC guideline how to make a cloth mask (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-make-face-mask-at-home-no-sewing-coronavirus-2020-4) against the virus.
Yet now...Cloth masks are little more than face decorations! (http://www.fatherly.com/news/omicron-cloth-mask-versus-n95/)
May 2020: The greatest scientist the world had ever known, Anthony Fauci:
http://youtu.be/p6pEcgDmEUk
Really? two masked Anthony Fauci used to say that?
http://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dr-fauci-double-mask-during-covid-makes-common-sense-more-effective.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dr-fauci-double-mask-during-covid-makes-common-sense-more-effective.html)
Fast forward to recent times, especially at the onslaught of delta/omicron variant:
CNN's Dr. Leana Wen was infuriated when 15 states didn't carry the federal mask mandate, prompting her to say this (http://www.actionnewsnow.com/content/national/573944072.html):
We are not out of the woods. We haven't reached the end of the pandemic. It's counter productive and truly infuriating these governors are treating this as if the pandemic is over. It's not true. We could be at the precipice of a fourth surge, and we have a way to prevent it and that's keeping up our precautions for a while longer
No entry without mask, mask indoors, mask on planes...and this dandy - HEPA filters in plane cabins remove over 99.9% of virus particles, but snowflakes insist wearing mask despite that fact just to be safe. OK, so removing over 99.9% of virus particles in the air is not safe enough, but wearing a N95 mask is very safe. Strange that, no?
Science evidenced virus particles are so much more smaller than the vaping aerosol particles in our breath. The videos below gives you a pretty good idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-FdCSXaX6Y
..or even this:
http://youtu.be/sRFtVsL9dzE
Could it be that now it seems everyone is getting COVID despite vaccinated/unvaccinated BS that run down our throats, that masking, as displayed above, is equally just a load of BS, too?
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April 2020 masks were hardly available. Even hospitals had difficulty sourcing them.
As for airplanes, we've already been over that topic so why regurgitate?
Oh well, do ya thang.
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April 2020 masks were hardly available. Even hospitals had difficulty sourcing them.
As for airplanes, we've already been over that topic so why regurgitate?
Oh well, do ya thang.
I got myself a respirator mask like the ones used in the above demonstrations around February 2020 I think it was from Toolstation in the UK, a DIY outlet. I could see the writing on the wall and 20 bob or so seemed a small price to pay to avoid such a bad virus, I saw the images from China and clued in. A lot of people in the UK didn't and were slow of the mark. I also got a gas mask from China just incase I needed an even greater form of protection. To date I have never had to call upon the gas mask but always handy in future I guess.
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The evolution of science in the current United States of America: Masking...
April 2020: CDC guideline how to make a cloth mask (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-make-face-mask-at-home-no-sewing-coronavirus-2020-4) against the virus.
Yet now...Cloth masks are little more than face decorations! (http://www.fatherly.com/news/omicron-cloth-mask-versus-n95/)
May 2020: The greatest scientist the world had ever known, Anthony Fauci:
http://youtu.be/p6pEcgDmEUk
Really? two masked Anthony Fauci used to say that?
http://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dr-fauci-double-mask-during-covid-makes-common-sense-more-effective.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dr-fauci-double-mask-during-covid-makes-common-sense-more-effective.html)
Fast forward to recent times, especially at the onslaught of delta/omicron variant:
CNN's Dr. Leana Wen was infuriated when 15 states didn't carry the federal mask mandate, prompting her to say this (http://www.actionnewsnow.com/content/national/573944072.html):
No entry without mask, mask indoors, mask on planes...and this dandy - HEPA filters in plane cabins remove over 99.9% of virus particles, but snowflakes insist wearing mask despite that fact just to be safe. OK, so removing over 99.9% of virus particles in the air is not safe enough, but wearing a N95 mask is very safe. Strange that, no?
Science evidenced virus particles are so much more smaller than the vaping aerosol particles in our breath. The videos below gives you a pretty good idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-FdCSXaX6Y
..or even this:
http://youtu.be/sRFtVsL9dzE
Could it be that now it seems everyone is getting COVID despite vaccinated/unvaccinated BS that run down our throats, that masking, as displayed above, is equally just a load of BS, too?
The demos above are all about exhaling, the Doc in the video is wrong at the end, while the cheap med masks, paper masks, cloth masks will let in vapour both ways due to the gaps around the masks as can be seen the respirator and gas mask let the vapour out through the respirator outlet. However air doesn't go in that way as it shuts after every exhale with air being forced out leaving little room for air to come in. The filters at the side is where the air gets breathed in and is filtered through a series of filters so is cleaned air. These respirator masks are used for DIY settings to deal with asbestos and dusty poor air quality areas the same as for Medical settings for viruses. So they have to perform and do as they claim on the packet or they are liable to being sued. Now if everyone had dug into their pocket to buy one of those respirator masks and used it in all indoor setting when mixing with others the virus would have a hell of a lot less impact. The government can apparently buy them in for Ł5 each rather than the Ł20 or so we pay in the shops. Set that against the cost of all these vaccines and they would have saved a packet, getting enough made for the whole population would have no doubt taken a bit of time though but then again so did the vaccine.
On an individual basis though why people who wanted to carry on in life weren't more eager to snap these respirator masks up is beyond me. No instead they like to carry on like idiots and think the virus won't be happening to them. Common sense as they say is unfortunately not so common.
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The demos above are all about exhaling, the Doc in the video is wrong at the end, while the cheap med masks, paper masks, cloth masks will let in vapour both ways due to the gaps around the masks as can be seen the respirator and gas mask let the vapour out through the respirator outlet. However air doesn't go in that way as it shuts after every exhale with air being forced out leaving little room for air to come in. The filters at the side is where the air gets breathed in and is filtered through a series of filters so is cleaned air. These respirator masks are used for DIY settings to deal with asbestos and dusty poor air quality areas the same as for Medical settings for viruses. So they have to perform and do as they claim on the packet or they are liable to being sued. Now if everyone had dug into their pocket to buy one of those respirator masks and used it in all indoor setting when mixing with others the virus would have a hell of a lot less impact. The government can apparently buy them in for Ł5 each rather than the Ł20 or so we pay in the shops. Set that against the cost of all these vaccines and they would have saved a packet, getting enough made for the whole population would have no doubt taken a bit of time though but then again so did the vaccine.
On an individual basis though why people who wanted to carry on in life weren't more eager to snap these respirator masks up is beyond me. No instead they like to carry on like idiots and think the virus won't be happening to them. Common sense as they say is unfortunately not so common.
Man, it's really really good you had the ability to notice the trends and snapped up your respirator and gas masks. You are on top of your game Trench. Nobody, and I mean nobody will get one over on you, eh? It's a crying shame the world doesn't think in the terms you do. Boy, with your wealth of knowledge used in the higher places we could have everybody in the world walking around quadrupled jabbed in gas masks and we could defeat this dang China virus once and for all. Your talents are wasted
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Forget that the dynamically stupid trio of Kagan, Breyer and Sotomayor - democrat appointed justices of this nation's supreme court - are still snugly intact with their respective positions even after blatantly sharing their spectacularly ill-informed arguments to define and push laws upon our land. In a country where its people, with which whom they serve, would be unemployed immediately after making such an incredibly ridiculous display of stupidity like these morons did.
...we also now have Democrat, double vaccinated and boosted Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, blaming the state she vacationed on as the reason why she tested positive. Seen practicing due diligence in the same fashion she preached on the video below.
http://youtu.be/IQlsHnKbC50
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Forget that the dynamically stupid trio of Kagan, Breyer and Sotomayor - democrat appointed
justices of this nation's supreme court - are still snugly intact with their respective positions
even after blatantly sharing their spectacularly ill-informed arguments to define and push
laws upon our land. In a country where its people, with which whom they serve, would
be unemployed immediately after making such an incredibly ridiculous display of
stupidity like these morons did.
It would be as if I ordered GQ to never drink again. GQ would argue that I have no authority
to make such a demand and that he would not be legally compelled to follow my proclamation(s)
in any case. Meanwhile Kegel, Braider and Suchamoron argue that GQ would never get a drunk
driving ticket and it would benefit his liver if he just did as I told him to do. Suchamoron might
claim that 80 million kids were killed last month by drunk drivers.
GQ would be silly to argue that he doesn't drink and drive because the heart of the legal
argument at hand is whether I have any authority to compel GQ to do anything.
The accuracy of Suchamoron's idiotic comment on drunk drivers killing children is irrelevant.
She has a lifetime appointment and this should reinforce why we should never elect Democrats
for president ever again.
Lefty justices look at how nice it might be if GQ and everyone else quit drinking rather than
whether his rights were being violated or whether there was anything in the law or the constitution
permitting me to force GQ and/or others to do anything.
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In this together together together,, right up until you don't agree with me 🤣
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This is the idiotic White House statement after the BDB’s 90-day shadow investigation of the origin of the pandemic. The theatrical act was for nothing more than to stooge its equally idiotic snowflake following.
The statement made below was nothing more than another liberal, mindless chatter!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/27/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-the-investigation-into-the-origins-of-covid-%E2%81%A019/
Yet, The Republican Oversight committee 4 days ago easily released the unredacted email exchanges between a consortium of US and British scientists back in Feb. 1, 2020 - literally before the madness began, about discussions that available evidence pointed to the virus being an engineered variety. Fear was raised that there may be a huge pushbacks against funding these numbnut experiments, like it did on 2011 - that it was decided to publish a report that basically denounced any notion that this was a lab leak. Again, Fauci and Collins were complicit in these exchanges. They reviewed and ultimately approved the release of the faux report.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21177759-house-oversight-letter-and-email-transcriptions
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Who voted for these phucks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2asNmw-tVck
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I continue to read that the virus is going to be with us for good. It will continue to mutate for decades, so of course vaccines will be needed for the rest of our lives. I continue to hold out on the shot myself, although I'm becoming more and more resigned to the fact that I'll need to get one. It seems that the vaccine will merely make the symptoms less deadly, and that is a good thing.
Poor old Meatloaf was likely taken down by the virus last night. He was rather stubborn and outspoken regarding the shot. Basically had the same attitude as I have had, but his number came up.
Meat Loaf Mourned: Tributes Flood In For ‘Bat Out Of Hell’ Singer & ‘Rocky Horror Picture Show’ Actor
(http://i.pinimg.com/736x/47/b3/37/47b337c9c48d6e46a5fb47d9d74694c8--meatloaf-singer-stoner-rock.jpg)
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/meat-loaf-mourned-tributes-flood-115017330.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/meat-loaf-mourned-tributes-flood-115017330.html)
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Sad this really is. RIP. Condolences to his beloved family and friends.
As for the cause of death, I think they either haven't released the cause, or have not shared it publicly as of yet. If his death is COVID-related, I wonder, other than the physical appearance of being 'obese/overweight', known to be one of the listed comorbidity, if he had other health condition that may have contributed to this death.
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Sad this really is. RIP. Condolences to his beloved family and friends.
As for the cause of death, I think they either haven't released the cause, or have not shared it publicly as of yet. If his death is COVID-related, I wonder, other than the physical appearance of being 'obese/overweight', known to be one of the listed comorbidity, if he had other health condition that may have contributed to this death.
He had lost a lot of weight in the last several decades. In recent years, he was very inactive due to spinal pain/pinched nerve, which isn't at all healthy. A month or so ago, he was planning on beginning recording new songs in February. As a fan of his since the late 70's it is sad to know he is gone. He was one of a kind.
For individuals such as him Covid should indeed be very concerning because it is taking out a lot of people. Since it isn't going to be going away, we all may have to consider it getting the 'death jab' and accepting that it is just the way the world is going to be going forward. It isn't poison we would be injecting, just a little something to help our immune system a bit.
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Here, here...
Just like that, I heard Louie Anderson also just died. So many familiar celebrity faces passing on. Many, icons of the periods in your life, giving you the reality that you're passing along with time, and closely creeping closer to those who just left you behind. MJ, Glenn Fry, Bowie, Prince, Petty, etc...
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We’re a long way from herd immunity
“I’ve stopped using the term,” said Dr. Hotez, noting that some groups, especially those with political agendas, are using unrealistically low herd-immunity estimates to argue that “we don’t have to worry about masks, vaccines or physical distancing.”
Instead, Dr. Hotez has “started saying that these are the levels of vaccination we need to get to in order to start slowing or even halting virus transmission.”
“Herd immunity really requires the whole herd and we're a long way from that,” said Dr. Liddell, noting that barely half of the total U.S. population (http://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total) has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. “We're seeing progress towards it and people are starting to look at this new wave and say it is time I go get vaccinated—it’s pushing people as they see people get sick and they're hearing about the ICUs filling up again.
http://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-covid-19-herd-immunity#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20goal%20of%20vaccinating,%2C%E2%80%9D%20said%20Dr.
From what I understand recently..'herd immunity' doesn't apply to respiratory illness anyway.
A couple of notes about Meatloaf...he did lose weight over the last year.
He was from Dallas. Here he is on Huckabee recently----
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbJCjmEd6oE
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Israeli study shows the 4th (yes 4th) jab essentially ineffective against omicron variant.
Be sure to get your 5th and 6th.
As the 7th you get a free* pizza.
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Surprising------
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
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Israeli study shows the 4th (yes 4th) jab essentially ineffective against omicron variant.
Be sure to get your 5th and 6th.
As the 7th you get a free* pizza.
But there are studies indicating a third jab reduces hospitalizations. Where I live, virtually everyone now in hospital is unvaccinated.
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Israeli study shows the 4th (yes 4th) jab essentially ineffective against omicron variant.
Be sure to get your 5th and 6th.
As the 7th you get a free* pizza.
From what I read it stated it had limited effectiveness. IF somebody already had the first 3 shots the fourth shot only increases the antibodies a little bit more.
But there are studies indicating a third jab reduces hospitalizations. Where I live, virtually everyone now in hospital is unvaccinated.
I'm curious if those that are unvaccinated (Generally speaking) are probably the types that are more likely to have other risk factors as well. I suspect many that don't have the shot also don't take as many precautions publicly as well, and add in a couple additional risk factors, and I can see how they are more likely to be hospitalized and die.
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But there are studies indicating a third jab reduces hospitalizations. Where I live, virtually everyone now in hospital is unvaccinated.
Pulleeze. There were studies indicating the first 2 death jabs reduced hospitalizations which have killed and maimed possibly millions along the way. The 3rd and 4th jabs are exacerbating those numbers. It will only get worse. You are clinging to the false narrative supplied to you like a dog on a bone. Your government driven sources are lying to you. If you open your eyes and your mind to just a ray of truth you'll find you have been lied to from the very beginning. The narrative has fallen completely apart. Hopefully one day you'll come to this conclusion. Meanwhile, the same folks who brought you a virus and a cure will have an arms build up for a possible world war on the Ukrainian border to get your mind off of the covid lie
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Israeli study shows the 4th (yes 4th) jab essentially ineffective against omicron variant.
Be sure to get your 5th and 6th.
As the 7th you get a free* pizza.
LMAO! People sneezes, they get boostered. Funny how folks get easily stooged.
They’re told Omicron is very contagious yet only causes mild infection, but the next thing they’re saying is hospitalization increased to high levels, and only by the unvaccinated btw, so hurry get your booster!!!
The total submission of some folks’ reaction to this is akin to what happened in Peoples Temple. How so very easily they forego any sense of logic and rationale.
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From what I read it stated it had limited effectiveness. IF somebody already had the first 3 shots the fourth shot only increases the antibodies a little bit more.
It’s only been a little over a year, but very funny how *stooged* folks already seem to have forgotten the vaccines were touted prior to the rollout to have up to 97% efficacy. It’s like a cheese trail ending in a rat trap. Reminds me of the 2008 election.
I'm curious if those that are unvaccinated (Generally speaking) are probably the types that are more likely to have other risk factors as well. I suspect many that don't have the shot also don't take as many precautions publicly as well, and add in a couple additional risk factors, and I can see how they are more likely to be hospitalized and die.
People’s comorbidities is what’s killing them not so much the virus. Vaccinated or not.
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LMAO! People sneezes, they get boostered. Funny how folks get easily stooged.
They’re told Omicron is very contagious yet only causes mild infection, but the next thing they’re saying is hospitalization increased to high levels, and only by the unvaccinated btw, so hurry get your booster!!!
The total submission of some folks’ reaction to this is akin to what happened in Peoples Temple. How so very easily they forego any sense of logic and rationale.
UK with it's very high vax rate ,still had the largest surge of cases, amd per the pm address the hospitalizations were mostly elderly and mostly vaccinated.
The elderly here are mostly vaccinated as well.
And the elderly make up the bulk of hospitalizations due to covid,not just with covid.
They can play with data a lot but it doesnt change that countries with the highest vax rates still saw the highest peaks of cases after most were vaxed.
To.pretend that break thru is rare is amusing at that point.
All of my friends that were vaxed had covid ,all.of them,its obviously not rare to catch it.
Hopefully the vax does reduce symptoms ,as it's the only thing it might be doing.
Some studies do show some harmful traits.
http://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified
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UK with it's very high vax rate ,still had the largest surge of cases, amd per the pm address the hospitalizations were mostly elderly and mostly vaccinated.
The elderly here are mostly vaccinated as well.
And the elderly make up the bulk of hospitalizations due to covid,not just with covid.
They can play with data a lot but it doesnt change that countries with the highest vax rates still saw the highest peaks of cases after most were vaxed.
To.pretend that break thru is rare is amusing at that point.
All of my friends that were vaxed had covid ,all.of them,its obviously not rare to catch it.
Hopefully the vax does reduce symptoms ,as it's the only thing it might be doing.
Some studies do show some harmful traits.
http://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified
But AJ, you are suppose to only follow their science. Not following that makes you someone spreading disinformation and a candidate for censorship and cancellation. You will automatically be labeled a deplorable Trump supporter.
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I'm curious if those that are unvaccinated (Generally speaking) are probably the types that are more likely to have other risk factors as well.
Remain curious no longer. The unhealthy, lame immune system people...elderly-- esp those with underlying health conditions are most vulnerable.
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Remain curious no longer. The unhealthy, lame immune system people...elderly-- esp those with underlying health conditions are most vulnerable.
I'm clear on the above statement. My curiosity is, do people who already have these health conditions, ALSO decide against the vaccine at a higher rate. People that often have these health conditions may choose to also not value life as much as those that take the time to keep in better shape. Granted that this doesn't apply to all, as some people are given a tough break i.e. cancer or other aliments largely out of their control.
Take the example of Meat Loaf. In addition to be old, he clearly wasn't the picture of good health. He likely also decided against the vaccination. In his particular case, the vaccination probably would have been a net positive. Perhaps the virus would have led to a hospitialization in lieu of death. Despite knowing he was at a higher risk, he chose to refrain from the vaccination (It seems).
I suggest that studies should take into account factors like this. Do people who avoid the vaccination also have more than the average number of risk factors, if so and they aren't accounted for, that can skew the results of studies. I'm merely throwing this out there as a curiosity.
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To me this is just sour grapes. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you commit to minimizing the virus, and giving misinformation, then you shouldn't complain/sue/demand 1 million in medical resources and demand treatments the hospital is unwilling/unable to do...
Of course this could be me, you, or anybody. You gotta feel sorry for the family for taking out a father/husband, it is just the reality of the world.
Man whose wife sued hospital over COVID care dies after transfer to Texas
A man at the center of a legal battle over his hospital treatment died of COVID-19 after his wife transferred him from Minnesota to Texas, according to media reports.
Scott Quiner, a 55-year-old from Buffalo, Minnesota, was diagnosed with COVID-19 in October and had been on a ventilator for two months at Mercy Hospital, the Star Tribune reported. He was unvaccinated, the outlet reported, and often shared on social media misinformation related to the COVID-19 vaccine, according to McClatchy News....
http://www.yahoo.com/news/man-whose-wife-sued-hospital-163910625.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/man-whose-wife-sued-hospital-163910625.html)
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The elderly in the united states have the highest vaccination rates of any age demographic.
The media doesn't seem to want to concentrate on that part of the vax equation.
That the most at risk also share the highest rate of vaccination.
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I'm curious if those that are unvaccinated (Generally speaking) are probably the types that are more likely to have other risk factors as well. I suspect many that don't have the shot also don't take as many precautions publicly as well, and add in a couple additional risk factors, and I can see how they are more likely to be hospitalized and die.
Fathertime!
I don't think that is the case here. However, half of those currently admitted to hospital have omicron, but that's not the reason for their admission to hospital. One thing here, is that if someone dies from a condition other than COVID, but had COVID, COVID will not be listed as the cause of death.
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To me this is just sour grapes. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you commit to minimizing the virus, and giving misinformation, then you shouldn't complain/sue/demand 1 million in medical resources and demand treatments the hospital is unwilling/unable to do...
Of course this could be me, you, or anybody. You gotta feel sorry for the family for taking out a father/husband, it is just the reality of the world.
Man whose wife sued hospital over COVID care dies after transfer to Texas
A man at the center of a legal battle over his hospital treatment died of COVID-19 after his wife transferred him from Minnesota to Texas, according to media reports.
Scott Quiner, a 55-year-old from Buffalo, Minnesota, was diagnosed with COVID-19 in October and had been on a ventilator for two months at Mercy Hospital, the Star Tribune reported. He was unvaccinated, the outlet reported, and often shared on social media misinformation related to the COVID-19 vaccine, according to McClatchy News....
http://www.yahoo.com/news/man-whose-wife-sued-hospital-163910625.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/man-whose-wife-sued-hospital-163910625.html)
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Keep in mind the mn hospital had decided he was brain dead and to.pull the plug.
She sued to stop them doing so.
Thos lead to a court order for that hospital not to do that, they in turn refused further care so it only made sense to transfer the patient to another facility that would care for him.
Since he was already deemed beyond saving, it isntvsurprisingbhe dint make it.
Its not entirely surprising his wife tried everything in her power,even beyond what the local.hospital.would do.
Sad all the way around.
I will say it kicked my butt, I had almost 12 days of fever and chills,nausea,headache,etc.etc.
At this point I still have zero taste or smell ,and still weak as a kitten with a bad cough and high blood pressure which I do not suffer from.(Im in good shape and my psi tends to run low actually)
I sleep about 12 to 14 hours a day,entirely out of character
Maybe the death jab would have gotten my over it faster,who knows
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Pulleeze. There were studies indicating the first 2 death jabs reduced hospitalizations which have killed and maimed possibly millions along the way. The 3rd and 4th jabs are exacerbating those numbers. It will only get worse. You are clinging to the false narrative supplied to you like a dog on a bone. Your government driven sources are lying to you. If you open your eyes and your mind to just a ray of truth you'll find you have been lied to from the very beginning. The narrative has fallen completely apart. Hopefully one day you'll come to this conclusion. Meanwhile, the same folks who brought you a virus and a cure will have an arms build up for a possible world war on the Ukrainian border to get your mind off of the covid lie
Millions have not been killed by the vaccine. So please stop the hyperbole.
My government sources are not lying. There is no reason to lie. They don't produce the vaccine. Vaccine suppliers don't have any factories in Canada. Our death rate is 1/3 of that in the US, which is probably because of vaccination rates, given Canada's population is older than America's.
Yes, I am certain Russia is amassing hundreds of thousands of troops on Ukraine's border solely to get my mind off COVID. /s
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UK with it's very high vax rate ,still had the largest surge of cases, amd per the pm address the hospitalizations were mostly elderly and mostly vaccinated.
The elderly here are mostly vaccinated as well.
And the elderly make up the bulk of hospitalizations due to covid,not just with covid.
They can play with data a lot but it doesnt change that countries with the highest vax rates still saw the highest peaks of cases after most were vaxed.
To.pretend that break thru is rare is amusing at that point.
All of my friends that were vaxed had covid ,all.of them,its obviously not rare to catch it.
Hopefully the vax does reduce symptoms ,as it's the only thing it might be doing.
Some studies do show some harmful traits.
http://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified (http://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified)
UK deaths were highest before vaccinations were available. Death rates have fallen dramatically since the introduction of a vaccine. The majority of those admitted to hospital in the UK for COVID are unvaccinated.
http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5 (http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5)
I know people who have had COVID, but not one of them was vaccinated (all had it before vaccinations were available). I don't know any vaccinated person who's had COVID.
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Here I'd say Canada covid mortality rate has far more to do with reporting styles* than the mortality of covid.
Here seemingly you can fall off a building and die of* covid.
Like the press here ignoring that most elderly are vaccinated.
That doesnt change they are still the most likely to have serious issues with covid.
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UK deaths were highest before vaccinations were available. Death rates have fallen dramatically since the introduction of a vaccine. The majority of those admitted to hospital in the UK for COVID are unvaccinated.
http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5 (http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5)
I know people who have had COVID, but not one of them was vaccinated (all had it before vaccinations were available). I don't know any vaccinated person who's had COVID.
That's odd.
Most of my friends and neighbors are vaccinated.
They have all.had covid since being fully vaccinated.
My one buddy a couple weeks after the.3rd booster.
Granted it did seem.to reduce their symptoms, but then when there is a very high rate of asymptomatic or mild symptoms,that it hard to say.
I did see that the uk mortality rate dropped substantially, that's great.
I did see the one release by the mp that spoke of the vaccinated being hospitalized as his plea for getting the booster.
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I think that depends on where a person dies. In some states, that may be the case, but not in all. Same in Canada. Provinces control the reporting of COVID deaths. I know in Alberta, they don't report a death as a COVID death if something else killed the person, although if COVID was a factor, that will be noted. I know that with current hospitalizations, Omicron is not listed as a reason, even if it is discovered the person had Omicron, if that is not the reason for the hospitalization. The problem is, though, that COVID triggers other reactions. So, a case of Omicron may aggravate a pre existing heart condition, requiring hospitalization. The heart condition will be noted as the cause of the hospitalization, but did Omicron play a role? We don't know.
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That's odd.
Most of my friends and neighbors are vaccinated.
They have all.had covid since being fully vaccinated.
My one buddy a couple weeks after the.3rd booster.
Granted it did seem.to reduce their symptoms, but then when there is a very high rate of asymptomatic or mild symptoms,that it hard to say.
I did see that the uk mortality rate dropped substantially, that's great.
I did see the one release by the mp that spoke of the vaccinated being hospitalized as his plea for getting the booster.
Masks are mandatory here. I think that reduces transmission as well, although less with Omicron. I last had a cold in April 2020. I usually get a mild cold in winter, two of my kids have had colds (son a bad one, probably caught from his roommate), but I haven't had one in almost two years. I attribute that to masking and hand sanitizers. I put a hand sanitizer in the car when COVID first hit, always sanitized my hands when I got in the car, and still do (I always washed my hands when I came home, I have always done that, as has hubby). So, perhaps masking and the liberal use of sanitizers are factors.
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Surprising------
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
It isn’t really. This had been discussed here before. The death count in the US is overstated, just as explained in the UK.
There is a lot of money involved for Covid death count in these hospitals. A patient dies of cardiac arrest, who happens to have covid, will be declared as a Covid death.
Same with hospitalization report. Take these things with a grain of salt. FWIW, when MSM tells people to get boostered, they better do it. Especially when CNN tells them to.
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To be fair, (cause vs effect) it caused arrhythmia in me, scary enough the immedia care insisted I go to the er,but being a knuckle head I dint. I just rubbed some dirt on it and got better.
However it's still bothering me occassionally at night,so I did make an appointment with a cardiologist.
Especially since its increased my blood pressure.
Bizzare stuff.
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To be fair, (cause vs effect) it caused arrhythmia in me, scary enough the immedia care insisted I go to the er,but being a knuckle head I dint. I just rubbed some dirt on it and got better.
However it's still bothering me occassionally at night,so I did make an appointment with a cardiologist.
Especially since its increased my blood pressure.
Bizzare stuff.
These are real repercussions from the virus, and potentially going to change your life. Sorry to hear that, good luck and take it easy as you can.
I've made the same statement as Meatloaf "If I die, I die". The virus doesn't seem to care about this sort of bravado though, it will decide who dies, who gets nasty aftereffects, and who is asymptomatic.
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Maybe the death jab would have gotten my over it faster,who knows
? Are you being ironic ?
Speaking as someone tripled vaccinated and not knowingly had the virus, I hope so .
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There is much in the Death Jab that isn't already in one's body or consumed in foods. How or why you'd make such a statement is a mystery and certainly incorrect. Why my last response to this has been deleted is also a mystery. Nothing in it violates the TOS
Ken I agree with you. It's poison, don't take it. I understand you can fly with a negative PCR and Russia will let you in with a negative PCR. Russia is getting more difficult by the day to do normal things without a death jab. IMHO it isn't worth the chance of getting there and unable to get back at this time. Big Pharma is working it's puppet strings in Russia as well as most of the world
I thought this forum was about Russian Women, not a platform for bizarre nonsense re the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines?
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I thought this forum was about Russian Women, not a platform for bizarre nonsense re the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines?
Unfortunately, there are some odd jobs who take great pleasure in propagating their conspiracy theories here and elsewhere.
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I thought this forum was about Russian Women, not a platform for bizarre nonsense re the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines?
Bizarre nonsense? Please do explain the efficacy of the death jab as a triple jabber if you are so enlightened? The platform of this forum is indeed Russian women and women of the FSU with many sub topics such as this one. If you do not like the sub topic you do have the choice to contribute, or not.
Unfortunately, there are some odd jobs who take great pleasure in propagating their conspiracy theories here and elsewhere.
Said the odd job who apparently finds joy in constant volleying with the board odd jobber
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Bizarre nonsense? Please do explain the efficacy of the death jab as a triple jabber if you are so enlightened?
Delighted, to ( try)
I do believe I am enlightened both in the scientific aspect and the clear efficacy of said vaccinations ( notably in the case of more elderly citizens ). I am not employed by pharmaceutical company, but am a micro-biologist. What is your background in the field ?
The platform of this forum is indeed Russian women and women of the FSU with many sub topics such as this one. If you do not like the sub topic you do have the choice to contribute, or not.
OK, so I feel very strongly about the topic and the ignorance of too many citizens who are willing to prove they would rather believe wacko nonsense that is to be found. I had no realised it would be a topic, here.
I hope you will not mind me correcting and trying to persuade you that your stance appears to suggest you might be one of the citizens I describe above and will be open to reasoned debate?
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Delighted, to ( try)
I do believe I am enlightened both in the scientific aspect and the clear efficacy of said vaccinations ( notably in the case of more elderly citizens ). I am not employed by pharmaceutical company, but am a micro-biologist. What is your background in the field ?
Curious.
1. As a microbiologist, why did you hyphenated what it is you claim you are? I’m an engineer, not an engi-neer.
2. You do know microbiology is the science for microscopic life forms like bacteria, but not viruses. That would be virology, correct?
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Curious.
2. You do know microbiology is the science for microscopic life forms like bacteria, but not viruses. That would be virology, correct?
I know that micro-biology is the study of tiny organisms that are too small to be seen by the naked eye.
1. As a microbiologist, why did you hyphenated what it is you claim you are? I’m an engineer, not an engi-neer.
I suggest writing micro-biologist, micro biologist or microbiologist is correct.
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Delighted, to ( try)
I do believe I am enlightened both in the scientific aspect and the clear efficacy of said vaccinations ( notably in the case of more elderly citizens ). I am not employed by pharmaceutical company, but am a micro-biologist. What is your background in the field ?
Well let's just first clarify your enlightenment in the scientific aspect. As a micro biologist are you a follower of the Fauci science or the science we once knew pre-covid? You've stated you've been triple jabbed, when will you get your omnicron jab? Why the delay? Just curious, why would an apparently trained micro biologist inject himself with an experimental soup? Do you do that for your personal safety or for your personal contribution to society?
I have no medical background. I am a reasonably educated intelligent man with a life and worlds experience. My life's history is one of rather doing what I'm told, to question why someone would want to jab me with a poison that does not belong in my body. I'm just funny that way.
OK, so I feel very strongly about the topic and the ignorance of too many citizens who are willing to prove they would rather believe wacko nonsense that is to be found. I had no realised it would be a topic, here.
I hope you will not mind me correcting and trying to persuade you that your stance appears to suggest you might be one of the citizens I describe above and will be open to reasoned debate?
I do not at all mind reasonable debate. In fact I welcome it but let's do acknowledge you have started out implying I am ignorant and believe "wacko nonsense". You are more than welcome to believe whatever you wish to believe and I'll do the same sans calling you ignorant with wacko nonsense. Let's get to it Mr. Triple. ;D
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Well let's just first clarify your enlightenment in the scientific aspect.
Mine should not be in doubt. You could start by telling us your expertise in this field .
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I know that micro-biology is the study of tiny organisms that are too small to be seen by the naked eye.
LMAO! OK Pancho, if you say so. Unicellular meets multicellular meets acellular. Dazzle the board with your expertise, dear micro-biologist. Lol.
Those ‘tiny’ critters can really be amazing.
I suggest writing micro-biologist, micro biologist or microbiologist is correct.
:devil:
In the interim, if you happen to know a good car-penter, one who works with wood, please let me know. Even a good ma-son, one who works with stone.
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Mine should not be in doubt. You could start by telling us your expertise in this field .
Yeah FP. Indulge the good fella. He’s a micro-biologist, you know.
BTW, did I ever tell you wifey is a C-P-A, a certified practitioner of accountancy. Her sister’s hubby is actually a law-yer, practitioner of law.
This is too funny.
:mooning:
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LMAO! OK Pancho, if you say so. Unicellular meets multicellular meets acellular. Dazzle the board with your expertise, dear micro-biologist. Lol.
Well, it seems you have chosen to try to make light of your misconception as to the meaning of the term micro-biology and your spelling lesson.
If you continue to post in a manner that demonstrates misconceptions re the current vaccinations / programs you can be sure I may find some time to assist / enlighten you.
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Said the odd job who apparently finds joy in constant volleying with the board odd jobber
::)
Much more pleasurable than debating with anti-vaxxers who pollute these boards with their unfounded nonsense.
I welcome Snowgoose bringing a measure of sanity and reasonableness to the discord surrounding this triggered topic.
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Mine should not be in doubt. You could start by telling us your expertise in this field .
In my mind's eye, yours is totally in doubt. You a self proclaimed expert and micro biologist injecting an experiment soup in his body, leaves much to question to me.
Please tell me what you didn't understand about my statement?
I have no medical background. I am a reasonably educated intelligent man with a life and worlds experience. My life's history is one of rather doing what I'm told, to question why someone would want to jab me with a poison that does not belong in my body. I'm just funny that way.
Unlike you, I have not claimed to be an expert. Please do continue. Personally, I am anxious to explore just how far away an "expert" can abandon science and common sense?
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I'm told, to question why someone would want to jab me with a poison that does not belong in my body. I'm just funny that way.
injecting an experiment soup in his body,
"poison' 'experimental soup' 'death jab'. I don't really believe these statements are accurate. It remains your choice, as I feel it should be. The other option is a greater likelihood of a premature death from the virus. I'm not for mandates, but the evidence seems to be showing those without the shot are doing significantly worse than those with it. That said, a lot of people feel their own immune system is enough. Sadly many have been proven wrong. The virus will further evolve/devolve. Apparently, that will require a different shot, and my guess is the shot will have mixed results but generally slightly better patient outcomes overall. It seems in the new world, virus shots are going to be a part of life...among the living.
(http://i.discogs.com/KEpeDUmBUUiWIYXoJ6ALBcvsAjLptA_5-LupjuBjdeU/rs:fit/g:sm/q:40/h:300/w:300/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWltYWdlcy9SLTcw/NzU4MjktMTQzMzE0/MjEyMC0yMzAxLmpw/ZWc.jpeg)
Fathertime!
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...I'm not for mandates, but the evidence seems to be showing those without the shot are doing significantly worse than those with it. That said, a lot of people feel their own immune system is enough. Sadly many have been proven wrong....
Fathertime!
Yes! Apparently over 100,000 'unvaccinated' children are in the hospitals. Many are in ventilators!!!
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? Are you being ironic ?
Speaking as someone tripled vaccinated and not knowingly had the virus, I hope so .
I wouldn't say ironic.
I would say I was being realistic.
The mrna jab may have shortened the length of my symptoms.
In fact that's quite likely.
That's what I stated.
I am also staunchly pro vaccination in general.
I've been on most continents and been given most vaccinations possible as well as antimalarials,anti parasitics, anti virals, and several.they* dint tell.us what they gave us.i know several made me and others pretty ill initially, and antimalarials caused very vivid unreal/unpleasant dreams.
I had my own multiple reasons to have doubts regarding this recent mrna,treatment and I have also worked in a lab, microbiology, for over a decade studying various pathogens.
Questioning a type of treatment that previously had never been effective or approved as it had previously failed all trials, and had never replaced traditional vaccine in any field or illness type,
seems just as rational as accepting studies done by the manufacturer,with no possibility of the usual.long term.trials.
I'm pro choice regarding it as well.
As far as effiacy , it has shown to reduce symptoms and hospitalizations
Thats great,.
Let's hope so ,or it was a pointless risk.otherwise.
As far as reducing transmission,that seems partial at best.
We have countries with 85% plus vax rates that had their highest case load after vaxed.
We have most of America's elderly vaxed.and a large percentage of others vaxed,as well as a large percentage with a good degree of natural immunity at this point,
Yet we have 1,000,000 new cases daily?
Daily.
The numbers arnt showing mild numbers of break thru cases ,it's considerable.
Even back before omicron,
when delta first broke in Connecticut ,there were roughly 500 initial delta cases, all of them but a few dozen were fully vaxed at that time..it wasn't some anomoly..
I'm glad you haven't caught it that you know of.
I have several close friends vaxed and boosted that still caught it,and were ill.
I had one fully vaccinated friend die of it,no comorbitities.He died a weak after the second shot.
Most of my wife's friends work at local.hosptials, they are all vaxed and have all been ill with it at some point.
So yes i take it seriously but I do question certain claims .
I joked around about death jab, as it has been called that here and on more than one form.of social media,and I also have zero doubts that a few individuals have indeed been harmed by it ,as that is the case with almost any medical.treatment given to.millions.
I also take any medical.treatment seriously, and consider the pros and cons.
This is certainly not implying folks shouldn't get vaccinated for covid ,they should make the choice for their Healthcare that best fits their circumstances.
As far as off topic, it's why there are off topic sections of the forum.
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After all the huffing and puffing. After all the CNNesque vaccine talk, even the CDC finally admits, which the MSM had been silent about...drumroll please...
Natural immunity had been proven to be...well, you listen to it. I don't want to put doubts in all of our esteemed 'micro-biologists' on the board.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25-iJKPA1CA
Being from Kali--yeppers baby! I'm part of that Batman statistics...
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GQ,
On my end I've always questioned why natural.immunity wasn't viewed with the same public eye ,and legally ,as vaccinated.
It bother me when even my conservative state had verbiage for business signs saying mask required for non vaccinated, but not for vaccinated
(Boy that one sure proved silly, no matter how you sliced it, no?)
Mostly as I felt if this is legal.verbage it should certainly include those with antibodies,regardless how they got them.
I've followed Dr Campbell all along,I feel he presents things well.
As far as my own microbiology, hahaha certainly zero expertise on virus.
It's frankly something we dint look for in the lab as they were quite small even in our equipment and studies,although certainly were contained in most every sample I would have been looking at or testing.
(Obviously millions in the air and water all.the time)
.Anyway I did not want to.misrepresent as other pathogens were our concern and what I looked.at and tested for.
Biology is a huge field and even within pathogens covers a great.deal.of ground
so while in my biochem college years certainly viruses were covered, it was cursory at best and I've long forgotten it.
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My guess is because there was a need for a panicked population, for the simple reason this was once a novel virus, and frankly the medical/scientific community was totally blindsided. Then mix in the cynicism and distrust in our government, and more specifically, the media; then what you had was a perfect storm that gave way to a sinister need to propagate a whole slew of misinformation, and literally total suppression of counter perspectives that didn't follow the progressive narrative.
There had been discussions here not too long ago on this very subject, especially since the study from Israel claimed that natural immunity was actually 17x (IINM) more effective against the virus. But the prevailing screams overwhelmed what was otherwise a 'proven science', with many citing this type of belief or attitude were merely from delusionary antivaxxers, conspiracy theorists, egads- Trump-supporters (you know who you guys are), etc...You can still see that today in this very thread. If you believe anything counter to what the progressive and general narrative - you're a looney!
I mean look at our brand new board member scientist - the *micro-biologist* (LMAO). He maybe could've educated all of us deplorable mortals about that which only fortunate sons like himself had been gifted with such a deep knowledge of *tiny* thingies...and go where no man had gone before!!!
NYT's Bari Weiss, on Bill Maher's Real Time show, spoke her mind about the pandemic, and look at all the backlashes she got for her honesty.
http://nypost.com/2022/01/24/im-done-with-covid-bari-weiss-on-bill-maher-sparks-uproar/ (http://nypost.com/2022/01/24/im-done-with-covid-bari-weiss-on-bill-maher-sparks-uproar/)
Bottom line is, science is an evolving event harboring only current explanation of things that we live in and with. There's no finality in science.
I have often said, you feel you need to be vaccinated, and you feel you're one of those considered 'vulnerable', dare not have anyone convince you what to do for yourself and your own protection otherwise. Pronto Tonto.
Maybe like yourself, I never believe in mandates. I laugh at the masking mandates. In as much as I believe in what I do, I can also understand how others may well see those I mentioned to be a matter of life and death. I'm cool with it.
My vaccinated wife was struck with the virus during the holidays. We spent it together despite her wanting me to stay away from her. I told her silly. It is this very moment that she needs me and be as caring of her as I can. We ate together, sat and chat together, slept together, walked together until she got well. I never caught the bug.
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About a million cases a day is mind boggling.
Especially when a great percent of people are asyptomatic so.unlikely to be tested.
At this point roughly 20% of americans have tested positive for it over the course of this.
That number is going to escalate quickly in the next two weeks.
Then we have 80% with one shot and 60% with 2.
That's not leaving many percent of the the population without antibodies in some form or another.
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There are 51,157 active cases of COVID in my province today, a drop of over 4,000 from the previous day. That is for people ill enough that they have gone to get tested by our Health Services, as we don't do tests for those with mild symptoms. Testing of wastewater suggests we are past the peak.
Of those hospitalized, 2/3 have been hospitalized solely due to COVID. The remaining 1/3 have been hospitalized for other things, but have COVID. We are still seeing deaths. Of those hospitalized, 99% are unvaccinated.
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Boethius,
Experience in your province is not that different than is reflected with Italian data. The grey lines showing unvaccinated rates tells the tale clearly.
(http://i.postimg.cc/gjHrgyvP/Screen-Shot-2022-01-26-at-13-08-29-1.png)
It's not only restricted to old folks either as some may feel is the case. Across all age groups, odds of hospitalization, intensive care or death are considerably less with the vaccine than without. Italy is in 15th place with the number of doses given per 100 inhabitants. Canada is in 26th place. The US is in 67th place.
(http://i.postimg.cc/SRgkXg6j/Screen-Shot-2022-01-26-at-13-15-47.png)
Source: http://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/numeri-vaccini-italia-mondo/
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We are still seeing deaths. Of those hospitalized, 99% are unvaccinated.
Assuming the stat is accurate, counterarguments for those against the vaccine will seem weak. I think one counterargument here would be 'the death jab' kills you immediately, so no hospitalization is needed!
Fathertime!
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I don't see recognizing natural immunity as counter to vaccination.
It's two different things and I highly doubt the above studies take in account prior exposer.
Recognizing that someone who has recently recovered has equal protection would be a start, legally ,and there is little excuse for not doing so as the antibody tests are available.
The duration is going to be a factor,but it obviously is a factor in the vaccines as well.
Since i did recover from.a case of it , when we are on booster 7 and get a free pizza I'll be fully on board,as long as it's Chicago deep dish.
As far as vaccine effiacy in reducing mortality,I think it's certainly shown that,or the new variant is less lethal.
It was roughly 1 percent.
With a million new cases a day which hopefully drops, and total deaths dropping (instead of climbing)there is reasonable debate of several factors including natural immunity ,vaccination ,better treatment protocol, and a less lethal variant.
One of the reasons south African health officials cited was the population that was more at risk had already passed during the initial.waves so they had already paid a terrible toll,but it did mean their numbers would drop with an overall less vunerable population.
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AJ,
Prior infection is not a panacea considering the number of folks that have died from infection in the first place. Neither are vaccines but they are proven to reduce hospitalizations and deaths. About the best you can do is if you survive a bout with COVID, get vaccinated anyway which has been studied and seems to be even better. Chances are folks that are vaccinated and later get infected may have similar benefit.
Some vaccinated folks can get infected, and some of those with prior infection can get reinfected as well.
Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w
This study found that among Kentucky residents who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, those who were unvaccinated against COVID-19 had significantly higher likelihood of reinfection during May and June 2021. This finding supports the CDC recommendation that all eligible persons be offered COVID-19 vaccination, regardless of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection status
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The continuing issue is while one study says x, just as reputable studies say y.
And that is part of science.
The Israeli study was significant in volume, and showed vaccinated break thru cases including hospitilaztion was 95% greater than those with natural immunity from prior infection.
That's significant on every level.
It did show that those with prior infection and vaccinated had some improved immunity.
But if they were already 95% ahead of vaccinated, it seems to be splitting hairs.
Obviously I'm not saying to catch covid to gain immunity.
I'm saying studies show those that have do have significant immunity.
The study you quoted shows something different.
The Israeli study had over 60,000 participants.
The cdc cited study had 3000 or 4000.
Thats also significant
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But that's no different than any vaccine.
The MMR vaccine after one dose is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella. After two doses, it is 97% effective against meales and rubella, 88% effective against mumps. This shot is now given to babies. Boosters are required when that baby is in his/her twenties.
I have never had measles or rubella shots, but I had both diseases as a baby. When I was pregnant, I was tested for both (which is routine). My doctor said I must have had them as a child, because my immunities were "off the charts".
So, naturally, those that develop COVID would have higher immunities. That's the way a well functioning body works.
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Sure,and that's why many people have had some issue regarding mandates all along.
Cali health laid off thousands of unvaxed Healthcare workers during a shortage.
Since many of them had natural immunity ,that's rather silly regardless good intents of the hospital groups administration.
The reluctance of health officials and media outlets to simply acknowledge what's obvious and natural is part of the backlash.
I certainly feel it would not be as high had more transparency (which it seems you may have had in Canada) and more common sense.
Have a mask on in the entrance of a cafe and taking it off 15 feet later, these type of things were like being kind of pregnant, silly, misguided and sure to bring public questioning of everything related.
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I disagree. My daughter, for example, could not get a job in a hospital if she couldn't provide up to date vaccination records. We needed to provide those records for each of our children when they registered for school. That's the better comparison, I believe.
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The continuing issue is while one study says x, just as reputable studies say y.
And that is part of science.
The Israeli study was significant in volume, and showed vaccinated break thru cases including hospitilaztion was 95% greater than those with natural immunity from prior infection.
That's significant on every level.
The Israeli study I believe you are referring to is http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
This study did not consider the effects of boosters as it was prior. There is another study showing results of Israeli boosters http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114255
It did show that those with prior infection and vaccinated had some improved immunity.
But if they were already 95% ahead of vaccinated, it seems to be splitting hairs.
Small percentages applied to millions upon millions of people still adds up to very large numbers.
Obviously I'm not saying to catch covid to gain immunity.
Indeed, but it is the non-solution vaccine naysayers often propose. "Everyone is going to get it anyway, and only a tiny percent die." A million American lives is for me a huge number.
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The continuing issue is while one study says x, just as reputable studies say y.
And that is part of science...
Everyone just needs to find their own comfort in this. The 'Kentucky study' was supported and sanctioned by the CDC. The agency that said Americans don't have anything to worry about with this virus. The same agency that bungled tests, the same agency who had us washing fruits and vegetables to make sure the virus is washed off, the same agency who recommended the vaccination/green passes, the same agency that promoted cutting t-shirts to fashion ourselves with mask. ETC. I could go on....So that should pretty much tell anyone looking into this exactly how much of what this agency ever tells you or sanctions is worth.
You have studies from Israel that counter this study. You have this study (http://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-report/covid-19-antibodies-persist-reduce-reinfection-risk-for-up-to-six-months-study-finds) that counter that claim, then you have the studies Dr. Campbell illustrated in his video that covered studies conducted in California and New York. Then you have, then you have...yada, yada, yada...
Bottom line, whether this vaccine helps or not based on the numbers being tossed about, we likely will never know. It is usually reported in this manner, for example:
There are 51,157 active cases of COVID in my province today, a drop of over 4,000 from the previous day. That is for people ill enough that they have gone to get tested by our Health Services, as we don't do tests for those with mild symptoms. Testing of wastewater suggests we are past the peak.
Of those hospitalized, 2/3 have been hospitalized solely due to COVID. The remaining 1/3 have been hospitalized for other things, but have COVID. We are still seeing deaths. Of those hospitalized, 99% are unvaccinated.
So I ask, does any thinking people actually submit and digest information like this as gospel? I'm certainly not targeting Boethius, nor will I target fathertime (OK, maybe a little ;D ) for his displayed reaction - "Assuming the stat is accurate, counterarguments (hyphen please, hyphen) for those against vaccine will seem weak."
What was there to assume? I didn't realize there actually was an quantitative equation given for anyone to decipher any finite information to call it a data, much less a 'stat'.
After two years of this pandemic and witness how people still spray information in the manner and state it does today, speaks volumes about what our government, its agency/ies and the media at large, had done to the population's psyche and thought processing.
And to make this even more absurd, we have a fearless leader who aspired to cancel and censor opinions counter to their narrative.
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I disagree. My daughter, for example, could not get a job in a hospital if she couldn't provide up to date vaccination records. We needed to provide those records for each of our children when they registered for school. That's the better comparison, I believe.
Ok I get that.
That said I would counter these were current workers fired that had met requirements prior had already been treating covid patients.
I would add that seasonal influenza A and B vaccinations were not a requirement of employment, despite them caring for the elderly.
I would say that not providing a provision they could show antibodies equal.to vaccination was a poor decision.
This was during a gearlhcare worker shortages, and while it was a private firm.and they can dictate new requirements fir employment, those requirements were not always consistant across similar Healthcare systems nationally or within the state of California.
Luckily im.sure most of those workers had new jobs,in their field, within 86 seconds if they so desired.
So right or wrong ,that speaks volumes to the actual need for them.to be let go in the first place.
We can debate all day if a registered nurse with 20 years of experience should have been let go, over this, but there is zero doubt countless hospital.network's would be glad to hire him.or her the next day,and did so.
I also guarantee you many children in the USA attend school unvaccinated despite the requirements .
I'm not a fan of the exemptions ,but they exist and I know personally families who use those exemptions to avoid thos requirement.
So.those exemptions do exist,its not black and white as this subject continues to appear.
That in vaccines with long term.trials in place.
I am.absolutely certain this will become a fierce legal.battle if current mrna vaccines become a school requirement.
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These are real repercussions from the virus, and potentially going to change your life. Sorry to hear that, good luck and take it easy as you can.
I've made the same statement as Meatloaf "If I die, I die". The virus doesn't seem to care about this sort of bravado though, it will decide who dies, who gets nasty aftereffects, and who is asymptomatic.
Fathertime!
Thanks.
Anyway after a battery of tests my cardiologist told me I have arythmia but it's same ol same ol.i always had (which I suspected) and that it was misread by the immediate care.
That I was healthy as an ox and get out of his office and stop wasting his time (I love that old man)
So rubbing some dirt on it was the best medicine after all,lucky me.
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You could say this numbskull was at least smart enough to pull this stunt in a mostly white neighborhood school. Had he tried this in a black/Latino area he would have suffered a massive beatdown from students and parents. Personally, although mild mannered, I might have viciously attacked him had I seen him accosting one of my kids. I'm not sure how the guy managed to pull this stunt off several times without parents doing something.
‘Bunch of Idiots’: Grown Man Accused of Spitting on and Shoving Kids for Wearing Masks
A middle-age Southern California man is accused of lying in wait outside local schools for children wearing masks—and then following them around so he can cough at them, spit on them, and taunt them for being “stupid” enough to don the face coverings.
The man, captured on video wearing a “Your mask makes you look stupid” T-shirt, has allegedly been continuing his anti-mask harassment campaign for a month in suburban La Crescenta, with a string of alleged incidents under his belt. Fed-up parents finally had enough this week and gathered at the Crescenta Valley Station to demand police take action.....
http://www.yahoo.com/news/bunch-idiots-grown-man-accused-121124800.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/bunch-idiots-grown-man-accused-121124800.html)
Fathertime!
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I think one counterargument here would be 'the death jab' kills you immediately, so no hospitalization is needed!
Fathertime!
True, and I have been killed three times.
Same for my wife.
But we somehow are still together . . . maybe in Heaven ?
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:) I'm sure you're both fine.
I know 2 people that have had it 3 times.
1 not vaccinated,the other vaccinated.
So no guarantees one way or the other for them,they are obviously more susceptible and have higher exposer.
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You could say this numbskull was at least smart enough to pull this stunt in a mostly white neighborhood school.
The guy is not any different than everyone else in this country that blindly swallow anything 'mandated' in this pandemic.
http://youtu.be/FBQROhwCru4
Mask mandate, green pass/vaccination mandate/travel mandate, etc...it's mindless and purely an unadulterated BS. Since this administration took over, millions had gone through the southern border, coming from countries that are poor enough to not be able to vaccinate any of them, are admitted and ferried unto every designated city or county the government felt they should be taken to. Unchecked, unvaccinated, untreated. Placed within you, me and the entire population.
Children vaccination mandate? What ever happened to those 'unaccompanied minors', held then released? Unvaccinated?
No one talked about this, because your media doesn't care to cover and oppose the silly narrative about just how 'dangerous' this virus is.
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The numbnut left and mainstream media is absolutely going bonkers about a recent flop in trying to censor and cancel Joe Rogan. There’s an accusation Joe is spreading disinformation about the vaccine. Anyone who actually listened to Rogan’s podcast, in its entirety, would know that is not true.
Neil Young, the idiot he had become ( too bad as I like his music, too ) had his ego get the better of him and demanded Rogan’s removal from Spotify’s platform. It was Neil or Rogan, but not both!!! LMAO! In less than 20 hours, Spotify made its choice and removed his butt! He now loses 60% of his global streaming revenue. Idiot!
http://youtu.be/F91U2523t4Y
Our freaking nation had gone totally bonkers with all these censorship and cancel culture. It’s permeated through in almost all our daily life. Unbelievable!
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Whats surprising to me here is a quasi big tech company not acting in favor of the narrative and cancel culture. Hopefully others will follow suit. Neil Young has an over inflated view of himself like most on the left that their opinions and positions override all others. If it were possible for Young to take this position in the 70's Spotify would have certainly sided with him. As it is Rogan is hugely more profitable and popular at this point in time than Young. It's refreshing to see a company take a stand on what's more important to them than to cow down to the cancel culture.
I love seeing the misinformation MSM heads explode over it.
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Our freaking nation had gone totally bonkers with all these censorship and cancel culture. It’s permeated through in almost all our daily life. Unbelievable!
I think it is over the top to cancel a person because of their view on the virus. Blatent/provable disinformation should be countered though. I haven't at all followed this particular spat.
It seems the latest variant is now gaining a foothold and seems to be reinfecting people.
New COVID variant has arrived in the US. What to know about 'stealth' version of omicron BA.2
Scientists and health officials around the world are keeping their eyes on a descendant of the omicron variant that has been found in at least 40 countries, including the United States.
This version of the coronavirus, which scientists call BA.2, is widely considered stealthier than the original version of omicron because particular genetic traits make it somewhat harder to detect. Some scientists worry it could also be more contagious.
But they say there's a lot they still don't know about it, including whether it evades vaccines better or causes more severe disease.
http://news.yahoo.com/covid-variant-arrived-us-know-151921235.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall (http://news.yahoo.com/covid-variant-arrived-us-know-151921235.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)
Fathertime!
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FT,
There are thousands of variants out there and thousands more to come. It is great though that over the last couple of years we've been able to build up capabilities to detect and track them. Shows there is still a lot to learn about this bug. Hopefully the trend will lean towards more benign variants so the virus can be happy and we can as well.
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Whats surprising to me here is a quasi big tech company not acting in favor of the narrative and cancel culture. Hopefully others will follow suit. Neil Young has an over inflated view of himself like most on the left that their opinions and positions override all others. If it were possible for Young to take this position in the 70's Spotify would have certainly sided with him. As it is Rogan is hugely more profitable and popular at this point in time than Young. It's refreshing to see a company take a stand on what's more important to them than to cow down to the cancel culture.
I love seeing the misinformation MSM heads explode over it.
Unlike the rest of the knuckle-headed Big-Ts, Spotify is Swedish-based and persevered to keep its distance from the silicon valley gangbangers.
I had been streaming Spotify for free for a long time, because of this recent development, I subscribe for premium membership.
Bruddah, get the app and listen to Joe Rogan’s podcast # 1768.
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I'm not in agreement with this sentiment, for the most part. There are a lot of people that haven't gotten vaccinated and they don't deserve to be locked out of hospitals. Maybe they are misinformed and just can't help themselves. Many aren't clear enough about the benefits/costs of a vaccination.
Those that are completely outspoken about the vaccination and believe it is a worldwide partisan govt. plot to microchip or sterilize the population often the ones getting sickest. They still should be treated like anybody else.
Kerr: If you reject the vaccine, reject the hospital bed too
apparently, folks who don’t want to get vaccinated against COVID feel they’re being persecuted for what they consider a personal choice. Their thinking, I guess, is if others are safe from the coronavirus after getting jabbed, why does everyone else have to do so as well?
.....But seems to me anti-vaxers don’t have any such reluctance to take up hospital beds when they suffer serious effects of COVID themselves, which seems kind of hypocritical. I mean, if you’re going to commit, then commit all the way.
Walk the walk, baby. Otherwise, you’re just making a half-assed stand – denouncing medicine that could save you if you get hit with this thing, but then embracing it when you wind up suffering the consequence of your own actions.
If you reject the jab, reject the hospital bed as well.....
http://www.yahoo.com/news/kerr-reject-vaccine-reject-hospital-040004460.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/kerr-reject-vaccine-reject-hospital-040004460.html)
Fathertime!
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Small percentages applied to millions upon millions of people still adds up to very large numbers.
Small percentages of liberty are lost with each application of leftist dogma.
Those small percentages over time still add up to a lot of lost liberty.
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One in Three Americans Already Had COVID-19
http://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/one-three-americans-already-had-covid-19-end-2020
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Small percentages of liberty are lost with each application of leftist dogma.
Those small percentages over time still add up to a lot of lost liberty.
Always turning into a left/right issue is self-destructive. I have a friend who is fiercely right wing. He is hyper against vaccines, every time we get on the phone, he has to talk about it at length. He has risk factors and is a candidate for death from the virus compared to others. FOR HIM, the vaccine is a left/right issue. I just think it is a ridiculous reason for not getting the vaccine. There are way better reasons than political reasons.
Here is another seemingly regular person who caught the virus and died. Also, very outspoken regarding mandates. I actually agree with not mandating it, nevertheless this guy died from the virus. Who knows if the vaccine would have prevented death, but it might have.
Washington trooper who defied state vaccine mandate and told gov to 'kiss my a--' dies from COVID-19
A Washington State Patrol officer who defied a statewide vaccine mandate and signed off for the last time by telling Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee to "kiss my a--" is dead from COVID-19.
http://www.yahoo.com/news/washington-trooper-defied-state-vaccine-024500554.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/washington-trooper-defied-state-vaccine-024500554.html)
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It's astonishing to me how we can send billions of dollars for war games, but wouldn't instead spend the money to produce more vaccine and send them to poorer nations. This silly vaccine was publicly funded to begin with, yet now Pfizer, with numbnut liberal Bill Gates, would like to protect its intellectual property as if its production had become a 'commercial product'. What gives? Only nations that can fork out millions/billions should be and can be protected in this global pandemic?
Now Pfizer moved to protect its vaccine's $36 billion dollar recipe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WgczztVxHw
Meanwhile, Cuba, for all its troubles and economic challenges, dared to create and produce its own vaccine, which is now being touted with a 92.3% efficacy. As poor a nation as Cuba is, it started to export its vaccines to Iran, Nicaragua, Vietnam and Venezuela. It has also asked WHO to approve its vaccine so it can produce, and share its recipe to any country who are willing, and have the ability to produce its own. Unlike Pfizer's vaccine, Cuba's version doesn't even need the same storage challenges Pfizer's vaccine does.
http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o230 (http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o230)
It's unbelievably sad what the US had become!!
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Fact about misinformation!
This was her press conference in November 2021 after resigning due to her suspension regarding her treatment of COVID patients. She was treating patients with monoclonal antibody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVwm-KJvGzk[/c]
This is her press conference January 2022:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm0QA5myK-Q
Biden administration suspended emergency use of monoclonal antibodies a week ago.
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It's astonishing to me how we can send billions of dollars for war games, but wouldn't instead spend the money to produce more vaccine and send them to poorer nations.
One line of argument for the vaccine that I've heard (And Rejected) is that the more unvaccinatedpeople that catch the virus and spread it, the more mutations it will create. I'm sure that is correct, BUT if that were such a concern, then we the vaccines should be spread globally asap. The billions of people in Asia and Africa would be creating more mutations that would eventually find their way to the North America and Europe.
Of course it is much more important to play our little war games and blowing up billions of dollars instead.
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One line of argument for the vaccine that I've heard (And Rejected) is that the more unvaccinatedpeople that catch the virus and spread it, the more mutations it will create. I'm sure that is correct, BUT if that were such a concern, then we the vaccines should be spread globally asap. The billions of people in Asia and Africa would be creating more mutations that would eventually find their way to the North America and Europe.
Of course it is much more important to play our little war games and blowing up billions of dollars instead.
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A truly lethal virus typically kills its hosts too quickly and dies off with the initially hosts.
If you have the bulk of a population vaccinated, but still able to catch and transmit a virus asymptomaticlly,and with less mortality , you would seemingly have the perfect petri dish for mutation.
Certainly as probable as mutation within a group of non vaccinated host .
So that seems an odd claim.
If the vaccine limits transmission then it could reduce this certainly.
Dint Scotland just have more vaccinated with covid than not?
Granted if the bulkmof a population is vaccinated tgat would naturally become the norm, but youd expect a much much lower case load.?
Anyway more food for thought.
81 studies on natural immunity..
http://brownstone.org/articles/natural-immunity-and-covid-19-twenty-nine-scientific-studies-to-share-with-employers-health-officials-and-politicians/?fbclid=IwAR3mqL4eB8oWsb37UwJnwxHCZ0AcV6NVHOz2LtgN3TMQqxFklJnKh2kxmEs
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AJ,
Studies can be quirky beasts, and the results apply only to the studied group. Take, for example, this one:
http://health.mountsinai.org/blog/young-asymptomatic-people-can-get-reinfected-with-covid-19-and-spread-it-more-than-once/
“That’s an important take-home message,” says Dr. Sealfon. “Certainly, we can show from this study that there’s a fairly high risk of reinfection, and not everybody who has had infection will generate effective immunity. So you really want to vaccinate everyone and not worry if they’ve had it or not.”
Why some people fail to generate persistent immunity against reinfection from COVID-19 remains unknown. But highly variable responses to any disease are actually beneficial for evolution.
http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.26.21250535v1.full-text
The study results apply to young marines that went through the program.
A 10% risk of reinfection within a six-week follow-up period is considerable, and no marine died. However, we can't extrapolate that the same would happen within the average population. But, with a decent amount of confidence, we can infer that the reinfection rate is at least 10% among those with prior infection and may be higher in the general population along with worse consequences.
That prior infection may provide some protection against reinfection is pretty clear. Still, in the end, it can't or has not been yet quantitatively measured to determine the level of protection acquired based on asymptomatic, mild, moderate, or severe infection levels. OTOH You know you got the shot with vaccines, its efficacy and that it is easily documented, making prevention protocols for the entire population more straightforward. It has also been proven that vaccines work, measured against an unvaccinated population that also consists of folks that had prior infection, even unknowingly.
Whether one has had a prior infection or not, my suggestion remains to get vaccinated and maintain basic precautions like masking if you can't maintain social distancing.
The equation for me is simple. If I die of COVID tomorrow my kids and wife can answer the inevitable question "was he vaccinated?"
They can answer "yes" and the person asking will likely say "I'm sorry for your loss", or if the answer is "no" hear the same condolences while watching the person walk away shaking their head, thinking that the poor sucker (me) didn't even make even an attempt to spare his family this sad outcome.
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BC, I get that.
Your first statement is the tricky part.
Any study,regardless can* be interpreted even by those in that field of scientific study differently.
It's what a group of peer reviews is critical.
You extrapolated 10% from a study.
In noway do any of the mouth more extensive and peer reviewed Israeli studies show that result,nor many other studies.
Some do though included the one you posted.
At this point break thru cases out number others in some countries, that's very high vax rate.
While csse loads are up, hospitilaztions are down.
Certainly a good thing.
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AJ,
Studies can be quirky beasts, and the results apply only to the studied group. Take, for example, this one:
http://health.mountsinai.org/blog/young-asymptomatic-people-can-get-reinfected-with-covid-19-and-spread-it-more-than-once/
http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.26.21250535v1.full-text
The study results apply to young marines that went through the program.
A 10% risk of reinfection within a six-week follow-up period is considerable, and no marine died. However, we can't extrapolate that the same would happen within the average population. But, with a decent amount of confidence, we can infer that the reinfection rate is at least 10% among those with prior infection and may be higher in the general population along with worse consequences.
That prior infection may provide some protection against reinfection is pretty clear. Still, in the end, it can't or has not been yet quantitatively measured to determine the level of protection acquired based on asymptomatic, mild, moderate, or severe infection levels. OTOH You know you got the shot with vaccines, its efficacy and that it is easily documented, making prevention protocols for the entire population more straightforward. It has also been proven that vaccines work, measured against an unvaccinated population that also consists of folks that had prior infection, even unknowingly.
Whether one has had a prior infection or not, my suggestion remains to get vaccinated and maintain basic precautions like masking if you can't maintain social distancing.
The equation for me is simple. If I die of COVID tomorrow my kids and wife can answer the inevitable question "was he vaccinated?"
They can answer "yes" and the person asking will likely say "I'm sorry for your loss", or if the answer is "no" hear the same condolences while watching the person walk away shaking their head, thinking that the poor sucker (me) didn't even make even an attempt to spare his family this sad outcome.
Well at least your conscience will be clear, eh?
Some points for you to consider and take with you as you line up for your next jab;
1 - The virus and it's variants does not spread asymptomatically.
2 - Natural immunity is robust, complete and durable
3 - Covid-19 is easily treatable at home with early multi-drug treatment
4 - Big Pharma's answer of Remdesivir is highly toxic and killing people in the hospital as are the NIH, CDC treatment protocols
5 - The current experimental vaccines to date are leaky, unsafe for humans and continue to kill and maim
6 - The virus is not severe for the vast majority of healthy people under the age of 60
7 - Prevention of covid is, in the first place the best the best cure. This is achieved by building one's healthy immune system with exercise, good diet and healthy supplements. Not masks, triple masks, social distancing, or immune system toxic experimental jabs as pushed by the Big Pharma narrative.
As for the vaccines, we only have the short term results and they are not good. Long term is likely our next nightmare in waiting.
My conscience is clear also
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Well at least your conscience will be clear, eh?
Some points for you to consider and take with you as you line up for your next jab;
1 - The virus and it's variants does not spread asymptomatically.
2 - Natural immunity is robust, complete and durable
3 - Covid-19 is easily treatable at home with early multi-drug treatment
4 - Big Pharma's answer of Remdesivir is highly toxic and killing people in the hospital as are the NIH, CDC treatment protocols
5 - The current experimental vaccines to date are leaky, unsafe for humans and continue to kill and maim
6 - The virus is not severe for the vast majority of healthy people under the age of 60
7 - Prevention of covid is, in the first place the best the best cure. This is achieved by building one's healthy immune system with exercise, good diet and healthy supplements. Not masks, triple masks, social distancing, or immune system toxic experimental jabs as pushed by the Big Pharma narrative.
As for the vaccines, we only have the short term results and they are not good. Long term is likely our next nightmare in waiting.
My conscience is clear also
The video I posted by the Houston doctor, flanked by her medical staff and patients, have a lawsuit filed against CDC et al, under FOIA to finally release information she’s been asking for but have not received.
Information and documents of recorded total cases of adverse reaction to vaccine.
Information and documents of actual number of the mythical ‘breakthrough’ cases of hospitalization. etc.
She’s a doctor who was suspended for initiating a treatment program to all her patients, many who were on the threshold of dying and survived. She estimated treating approximately 2,000 patients since the pandemic began. She was suspended for advancing other treatment means against the virus besides only vaccination. She’s not an anti-vaxxer either.
So she’s not someone who Googles information. So I’ll take words from folks like her any Batman day. She attended the 16,000 strong group of doctors and scientists against the mandates, abating early treatment programs, etc that held rally in DC, which was followed by protests of the federal worker vaccine mandates.
http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2022/01/13/thousands-of-federal-workers-to-march-against-bidens-vaccine-mandate/
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The equation for me is simple. If I die of COVID tomorrow my kids and wife can answer the inevitable question "was he vaccinated?"
They can answer "yes" and the person asking will likely say "I'm sorry for your loss", or if the answer is "no" hear the same condolences while watching the person walk away shaking their head, thinking that the poor sucker (me) didn't even make even an attempt to spare his family this sad outcome.
I'd like to address this a bit further although we have all beat this horse 🐎.
For myself, I can make a choice either way with a clear conscious that it was my best choice at that point in time .
Hindsight often proves over time better choices could have been made, as long as the choices made were true to ourselves and our character I don't regret them, I don't ever live my life in the rear view mirror, nor would my family.
They would clearly say he choose X,or Y. And lived life on his terms. They might have questions regarding choices ,that's natural either way.
Having chosen employment paths throughout my life that were riskier health wise than many,this isn't really a conundrum.
Now, to my children.
I could not have a clear conscious in either choice *if* they were harmed by either choice.
That is a real concern.
I know personally that while i believe in childhood general.immunizations ,I do not believe in the way we administer those vaccines in very young children in combinations,at very short intervals in relation to their actual risk of the illnesses they are being immunized agaisnt.
As such all.my children's childhood immunizations were separated in delivery and in time frame as long as possible. I wish more parents where informed they could
do so by their providers.
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3 - Covid-19 is easily treatable at home with early multi-drug treatment
5 - The current experimental vaccines to date are leaky, unsafe for humans and continue to kill and maim
6 - The virus is not severe for the vast majority of healthy people under the age of 60
#3. Easily treatable? What early multi-drug treatment? I have my doubts on this one.
#5 Yet the world leaders across the globe continue to get the shots themselves and promote them to their population. Seems like a very questionable statement of fact.
#6 Not severe to MOST people, true. That said, it is severe for some otherwise healthy people under 60. Seems to be a lot more than past flu's.
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Natural immunity vs vaccination
http://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-high-cost-of-disparaging-natural-immunity-to-covid-vaccine-mandates-protests-fire-rehire-employment-11643214336 (http://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-high-cost-of-disparaging-natural-immunity-to-covid-vaccine-mandates-protests-fire-rehire-employment-11643214336)
http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 (http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1)
http://californiahealthline.org/news/article/covid-immunity-through-infection-or-vaccination-are-they-equal/amp/ (http://californiahealthline.org/news/article/covid-immunity-through-infection-or-vaccination-are-they-equal/amp/)
http://youtu.be/JwtXigq9GO8 (http://youtu.be/JwtXigq9GO8)
These fully support our personal experience. Wifey was vaccinated, I am naturally immune via previous infection. When wifey got infected over the holidays, I refused she isolated and allowed me to take care of her. She got well, and I never got re-infected.
California and New York studies have identical results. They also happen to be the most populated two states in the US. CDC had no choice but to accept these results. CDC is complicit to all the prevailing misinformation/disinformation to needlessly fire first responder employees, health care workers, firemen, police, etc..for not submitting to vaccination despite their natural immunities.
Mandates are bullshits! May all the pending lawsuits against these misinformation/disinformation mandates prevail in their respective judgments.
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Even in Kentucky, where that debunked study that CDC sanctioned and supported, have tried considering a resolution to recognize a positive antibody (previously infected) is equal to vaccination.
http://www.whas11.com/article/news/politics/kentucky-covid-antibody-vaccine-test-alvarado-resolution/417-18d36241-3776-4c21-b9b9-b3f5ad4bbbe9 (http://www.whas11.com/article/news/politics/kentucky-covid-antibody-vaccine-test-alvarado-resolution/417-18d36241-3776-4c21-b9b9-b3f5ad4bbbe9)
While this is a good compromise, we now have studies after studies that support the previous other studies that in fact, natural immunity is better than the vaccine.
But as as expected, the resolution died and poor Kentuckians will reap the silly decisions of their politicians. Especially now that new proofs of the veracity of natural immunity over vaccination, that even CDC now admits, is undeniable.
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I guess one could say that 906,861 Americans so far have died inadvertently attempting to acquire natural immunity.
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I guess one could say that 906,861 Americans so far have died inadvertently attempting to acquire natural immunity.
You could but you’d be alone. Freedom of speech and all that good stuff.
Weak attempt at deflecting the point though.
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I guess one could say that 906,861 Americans so far have died inadvertently attempting to acquire natural immunity.
You could say 906,861 Americans so far have died for following Tony Fauci's advice
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No, your logic does not add up. It's estimated that over a million deaths were averted following his advice to get vaccinated.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/dec/us-covid-19-vaccination-program-one-year-how-many-deaths-and
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No, your logic does not add up. Fauci's advice and subsequently strong arming the worlds governments into forcing the experimental death soups into the people will quite likely go down as the worlds biggest crimes against humanity. I, for one look forward to him being brought up on charges and seeing him face those crimes
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No, your logic does not add up. Fauci's advice and subsequently strong arming the worlds governments into forcing the experimental death soups into the people will quite likely go down as the worlds biggest crimes against humanity. I, for one look forward to him being brought up on charges and seeing him face those crimes
You are deluding yourself. None of this is going to happen. The 'death soup', that's a new one!
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Result of the studies I cited above reported the following:
Results SARS-CoV-2-naďve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naďve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naďve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.
It isn’t a breakthrough case when it’s pretty prevalent. LMAO! Greater risk of hospitalization to boot! Poor ol’ snowflakes who bought into the ‘vaccine will protect you’, hacking and grasping their one way street to those ventilators. Such stooges! LMAO!
When FOIA documents ever gets released, unredacted, we’ll find out exactly how many really were stooged all they way to their graves.
If you’re an unhealthy snowflake who lived your life cutting the fat of the hog, didn’t watch what you ate, took staying fit for granted, be afraid. Be very afraid. The grim reaper is here awhile and is much closer and looking for you.
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1 - The virus and it's variants does not spread asymptomatically.
2 - Natural immunity is robust, complete and durable
3 - Covid-19 is easily treatable at home with early multi-drug treatment
4 - Big Pharma's answer of Remdesivir is highly toxic and killing people in the hospital as are the NIH, CDC treatment protocols
5 - The current experimental vaccines to date are leaky, unsafe for humans and continue to kill and maim
6 - The virus is not severe for the vast majority of healthy people under the age of 60
7 - Prevention of covid is, in the first place the best the best cure. This is achieved by building one's healthy immune system with exercise, good diet and healthy supplements. Not masks, triple masks, social distancing, or immune system toxic experimental jabs as pushed by the Big Pharma narrative.
Nice summary.
In terms of early treatment it depends on what is available but a mix of monoclonal antibodies, Ivermectin, zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamin D. Vitamin C intravenously as there is a limit you can take orally (due to diarrhea). Countries such as Japan, Mexico and (parts of) India use Ivermectin for early treatment.
Asides from cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, what throws off people understanding how dangerous these jabs are is because the batches of 'therapeutics' appears to be highly variable. They're simply not safe by any objective measure used before 2020.
The death rate over the past year for healthy people under the age of 60 has increased dramatically catching the eye of insurers and undertakers alike.
Unless you are very frail, very sick or very fat you probably have little to worry about (if you receive appropriate early treatment), though there are no guarantees in life. The worst thing possible is to end up in a hospital because hospitals are routinely killing people through malpractice.
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Well shouldn't be a surprise. Trump got 'the death jab'....his supporters advocate drinking urine.
Anti-vaxxer tells supporters the new COVID antidote is in 'urine therapy'
As the pandemic has evolved and vaccinations have become politicized, the door has opened for some questionable alternatives to treat COVID-19.
Urine therapy – where advocates encourage people to drink their own urine to tap into its redemptive properties – is among the latest, and a recent video calling the therapy the next "COVID antidote" was viewed over 366,000 times.
"I've seen a rise in anti-vaxxers and conspiracists supporting urine, Viagra and other odd alternatives to the vaccine," said Dr. Amanda Torres, a physician at Winchester Hospital in Boston. "It's dangerous."...
http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/anti-vaxxer-tells-supporters-covid-195908571.html (http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/anti-vaxxer-tells-supporters-covid-195908571.html)
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It isn’t a breakthrough case when it’s pretty prevalent. LMAO! Greater risk of hospitalization to boot! Poor ol’ snowflakes who bought into the ‘vaccine will protect you’, hacking and grasping their one way street to those ventilators. Such stooges! LMAO!
You failed to comprehend the most important part GQ. We all know the Delta variant was more infective and caused more deaths and hospitalizations vs the previous strain. This led to boosters being given to bridge the difference. The study you refer to only shows that vaccines are less effective against the Delta variant. It does not say that vaccines are not effective. Clearly, those that were infected may have stronger protection, but even that is not perfect as the conclusions clearly state that someone with prior infection, if given one dose of vaccine is even more protected. Just because someone had a prior infection doesn't mean they are immune.
Results SARS-CoV-2-naďve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021.
Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full-text
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You failed to comprehend the most important part GQ. We all know the Delta variant was more infective and caused more deaths and hospitalizations vs the previous strain. This led to boosters being given to bridge the difference.
Results SARS-CoV-2-naďve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021.
Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full-text
LMAO! This isn’t difficult BC. I realize the CDC sold you a pitch you bought into lock, stock and barrel. The roll out advertised itself a 97% efficacy. Then when discussions about natural immunity was raised, CDC made silly declaration that the vaccine offered far more protection. You bought into that so easily too, as you debated what you pretended to know about natural immunity, arguing with me about it, too at the time. I’m sure you remember that.
There was no talk of boosters at the time. I have no doubt, booster was concocted because this vaccine did in fact lack enough testing, as many in the medical community claimed, and declaring the need for booster is nothing but a CYA attempt.
So now you make qualifications / disclaimer along the way, and booster yourself till the cows come home, bottom line is, this is exactly what I said about you. Like with everything else, you move the goal post at your leisure, then claim someone else misunderstood.
When all you can do is Google, and lose the ability to think for yourself and is met with information showing you to be wrong, then you move the goal post again. LMAO. You do this on every subject.
Remember how you argued before how lockdowns were the best way to stop the pandemic too? So proud Italy ‘complied’ under a policed state. Mask even when there’s OVER 99.9% viral removal. LMAO.
What a croc! You can’t hide behind multiple boosters now, you should’ve taken care of yourself well before. You seem so freaked out about this virus knowing it only kills the old, the frail and compromised.
Best you find out when you can get boostered again instead of trying to convince us you know what you really don’t.
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LMAO! This isn’t difficult BC. I realize the CDC sold you a pitch you bought into lock, stock and barrel. The roll out advertised itself a 97% efficacy. Then when discussions about natural immunity was raised, CDC made silly declaration that the vaccine offered far more protection. You bought into that so easily too, as you debated what you pretended to know about natural immunity, arguing with me about it, too at the time. I’m sure you remember that.
The levels of protection against the origin strain was as advertised.
There was no talk of boosters at the time. I have no doubt, booster was concocted because this vaccine did in fact lack enough testing, as many in the medical community claimed, and declaring the need for booster is nothing but a CYA attempt.
Again, additional variants were not known at the time.
So now you make qualifications / disclaimer along the way, and booster yourself till the cows come home, bottom line is, this is exactly what I said about you. Like with everything else, you move the goal post at your leisure, then claim someone else misunderstood.
Not making any qualifications/disclaimers and no moving goalposts. There is, however, increasing knowledge available regarding new strains and how to counteract to maintain efficacy. It's really simple. No football team goes into the game knowing every play they will make. They adjust along the way to fit any new factors the other team throws in.
When all you can do is Google, and lose the ability to think for yourself and is met with information showing you to be wrong, then you move the goal post again. LMAO. You do this on every subject.
Why are you stuck on google? It is not the only search engine I use. I follow up sources when I google. What do you use? Do you do the follow up work? Guess not.
Remember how you argued before how lockdowns were the best way to stop the pandemic too? So proud Italy ‘complied’ under a policed state. Mask even when there’s OVER 99.9% viral removal. LMAO.
Again you are stuck with your dummies that do not breathe, talk, eat, cough and sneeze. Each passenger in an airplane is not provided their own sole source of 99% breathable air. It is pumped in clean, and goes out dirty. What happens inside that tube with live passengers cannot be determined. The minimal measures being enforced are prudent.
What a croc! You can’t hide behind multiple boosters now, you should’ve taken care of yourself well before. You seem so freaked out about this virus knowing it only kills the old, the frail and compromised.
I'm not freaked at all. Have you noticed I almost always only respond to posts of others in this thread? You are among those attempting to provoke reaction, or somehow justify your position.
Best you find out when you can get boostered again instead of trying to convince us you know what you really don’t.
I don't have to find out. Folks here will let me know if another booster is recommended. If one is recommended, I'll check the studies, consider adverse effects if any and decide whether or not to boost. My experience thus far has been positive with no negative effects whatsoever. Ditto for others in my family. I work, go out, fly, dine, travel, attend business meetings, have guests over, go visit others without issue or fear. Life is quite normal, free and I just take a few prudent precautions.
It seems you are more affected by this bug than I am. You fear vaccination, you fear masks, you fear your liberty has somehow been taken away.
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If you’re an unhealthy snowflake who lived your life cutting the fat of the hog, didn’t watch what you ate, took staying fit for granted, be afraid. Be very afraid. The grim reaper is here awhile and is much closer and looking for you.
Lifestyle choices and other unavoidable health conditions exist among us all. How do you reconcile your statement with:
A North Carolina man who said a hospital refused to carry out a kidney transplant because he's unvaccinated against COVID-19 is willing to "die free" rather than comply with the vaccine requirement.
"I was born free. I will die free. I’m not changing my mind," Chad Carswell told WSOC. "I’ve had conversations with my family and everybody that’s close to me. They know where I stand, and it’ll not be a situation that occurs that I will choose to change my mind on this topic."
Here we have a person (who is not alone) who for whatever reason feels that one jab more than the hundreds he already gets with even more side effects, is not worth living for. Somehow, I feel his definition of freedom is very strange indeed.
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The levels of protection against the origin strain was as advertised.
Again, additional variants were not known at the time.
Not making any qualifications/disclaimers and no moving goalposts. There is, however, increasing knowledge available regarding new strains and how to counteract to maintain efficacy. It's really simple. No football team goes into the game knowing every play they will make. They adjust along the way to fit any new factors the other team throws in.
Why are you stuck on google? It is not the only search engine I use. I follow up sources when I google. What do you use? Do you do the follow up work? Guess not.
Again you are stuck with your dummies that do not breathe, talk, eat, cough and sneeze. Each passenger in an airplane is not provided their own sole source of 99% breathable air. It is pumped in clean, and goes out dirty. What happens inside that tube with live passengers cannot be determined. The minimal measures being enforced are prudent.
I'm not freaked at all. Have you noticed I almost always only respond to posts of others in this thread? You are among those attempting to provoke reaction, or somehow justify your position.
I don't have to find out. Folks here will let me know if another booster is recommended. If one is recommended, I'll check the studies, consider adverse effects if any and decide whether or not to boost. My experience thus far has been positive with no negative effects whatsoever. Ditto for others in my family. I work, go out, fly, dine, travel, attend business meetings, have guests over, go visit others without issue or fear. Life is quite normal, free and I just take a few prudent precautions.
It seems you are more affected by this bug than I am. You fear vaccination, you fear masks, you fear your liberty has somehow been taken away.
See what I mean?
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See what I mean?
BC Clearly does not.
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It's become such a polarizing subject,yet the seasonal fly shot never was.
Yes influenza A and B may not have the mortality rate of covid19,but it still kills tens of thousands annually.
So legally, when will we see businesses shut down, mask and vaccine mandates, public shaming both directions, over the constant changing influenza A and B?
If not, shoukd we hold our local,state and federal governments accountable fir not taking public health concerns seriously enough?
How many have to die for it to be relevant?
Isn't that what this fundamentally breaks down too?
60,000 annually andlife goes on as usual with none of the above.
300,000+ annually and its a different story, and yes I do understand it matters,but exactly where dies it matter?
109,000?
348,000?
I see a lot of public posts by folks convinced this pandemic has continued do to the unvaxxed. Or the unvaxxed should be eligible for treatment.
Many letters to the editor reprinted in main steam articles.
None mention that maybe the person living on fast food and chain smoking shouldn't get treatment.
Again it's where the linr is being drawn that's weird and disturbing.
Countries with very high vax rates (and high percent of prior immunity were seeing case loads exponentially higher, having very little to do with the populations vaccinated status.
Yet the media has perpetuated this mentality regardless.
Why can't journalists remain unbiased and report all sides.
This has shown when the *why* starts to really matter.
The division is continued stateside,regardless all.kimds if evidence pointing to this pandemic remaining fundamentally the same regardless any action or inaction.
There should be little reason to be so divided or polarized.
The last time I cared what baseball team someone liked was well, never.
Same with thier choices to smoke or not,or eat fast food daily and be a couch potatoe,,or not,or be vaccinated or not.
I hope anyone ill gets high quality treatment.
If we start defining who gets treated by their life choices it is a very slippery slope.
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Nice summary.
In terms of early treatment it depends on what is available but a mix of monoclonal antibodies, Ivermectin, zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamin D. Vitamin C intravenously as there is a limit you can take orally (due to diarrhea). Countries such as Japan, Mexico and (parts of) India use Ivermectin for early treatment.
Asides from cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, what throws off people understanding how dangerous these jabs are is because the batches of 'therapeutics' appears to be highly variable. They're simply not safe by any objective measure used before 2020.
The death rate over the past year for healthy people under the age of 60 has increased dramatically catching the eye of insurers and undertakers alike.
Unless you are very frail, very sick or very fat you probably have little to worry about (if you receive appropriate early treatment), though there are no guarantees in life. The worst thing possible is to end up in a hospital because hospitals are routinely killing people through malpractice.
I think death rates are higher because so many resources have been diverted to treating COVID patients. I know for a fact that's the case in Canada. Surgeries have been postponed. Cancer treatments have been postponed. ICU beds are full of COVID patients. There are shortages of nurses. So, people are not receiving timely treatment. There is no grand conspiracy.
Coincidentally, I just read an article on invermictin in Japan and India.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/01/26/fact-check-no-ivermectin-didnt-cure-covid-19-in-japan-and-india.html
It is untrue that only if you are very frail, very sick, or fat, that you will die of COVID. There are cases of people dying of COVID who were not frail, sick, or fat. I first realized how serious this disease was when a Wuhan physician, aged 27 or so, reported it on social media. He was arrested, but released. He contracted COVID and died, very quickly. He wasn't frail, sick, or fat. I thought if someone so young can succumb to a disease so quickly it is extremely dangerous.
My province opened up completely in the summer of 2020. At that time, most young people were not vaccinated - they were eligible, but most believed things had returned to normal and didn't bother with the vaccine. By October, our hospitals were overwhelmed with COVID admissions, mostly of otherwise healthy people under 50, many of whom required intubation. Most did survive, thanks to excellent medical care. But, yeah, tell them COVID isn't something to worry about. We are just now learning of the after effects of COVID - memory fog, fatigue, lung damage, inflammation of organs and tissues. That's just the effects that currently are known. Whether they are permanent is to be seen.
I've had the "death jab" - two shots of AstraZeneca, and one of Pfizer. When a fourth booster is available, I'll take that, likely Moderna. I have zero qualms about these vaccines. Further, even if I have a bad side effect, I'd rather die quickly from a blood clot than in pain and gasping for air from COVID.
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It's become such a polarizing subject,yet the seasonal fly shot never was.
Yes influenza A and B may not have the mortality rate of covid19,but it still kills tens of thousands annually.
So legally, when will we see businesses shut down, mask and vaccine mandates, public shaming both directions, over the constant changing influenza A and B?
If not, shoukd we hold our local,state and federal governments accountable fir not taking public health concerns seriously enough?
How many have to die for it to be relevant?
Isn't that what this fundamentally breaks down too?
60,000 annually andlife goes on as usual with none of the above.
300,000+ annually and its a different story, and yes I do understand it matters,but exactly where dies it matter?
109,000?
348,000?
I see a lot of public posts by folks convinced this pandemic has continued do to the unvaxxed. Or the unvaxxed should be eligible for treatment.
Many letters to the editor reprinted in main steam articles.
None mention that maybe the person living on fast food and chain smoking shouldn't get treatment.
Again it's where the linr is being drawn that's weird and disturbing.
Countries with very high vax rates (and high percent of prior immunity were seeing case loads exponentially higher, having very little to do with the populations vaccinated status.
Yet the media has perpetuated this mentality regardless.
Why can't journalists remain unbiased and report all sides.
This has shown when the *why* starts to really matter.
The division is continued stateside,regardless all.kimds if evidence pointing to this pandemic remaining fundamentally the same regardless any action or inaction.
There should be little reason to be so divided or polarized.
The last time I cared what baseball team someone liked was well, never.
Same with thier choices to smoke or not,or eat fast food daily and be a couch potatoe,,or not,or be vaccinated or not.
I hope anyone ill gets high quality treatment.
If we start defining who gets treated by their life choices it is a very slippery slope.
The reason for the difference, I believe, is that most people who have the flu aren't hospitalized for weeks on end. Sure, some flu victims end up in ICU, but most don't. It's how COVID overwhelms the medical system that is the issue, not the disease itself.
You're not going to have to make the decision about the unvaccinated getting treatment. At some point, your insurance companies are going to make that decision for them.
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The reason for the difference, I believe, is that most people who have the flu aren't hospitalized for weeks on end. Sure, some flu victims end up in ICU, but most don't. It's how COVID overwhelms the medical system that is the issue, not the disease itself.
You're not going to have to make the decision about the unvaccinated getting treatment. At some point, your insurance companies are going to make that decision for them.
Im.not making any decision regarding it one or or the other.
My point was the legal.interpretatuins of such.
Everyone's equal under the law or they are not.
I do recognize some hospitals got overloaded ,others were dang near vacant.
That is not the legal.point in choosing what is required to save ,or not save 60,000 lives annually from.influenza A and B.
This keeps getting shrugged off in the press and in our governments.
So older lives dont matter,and please be certain that every year hospitals do indeed see an increase in patients in the ICU in flu season,they dont all die at home or in general.rooms,and they do generally die from complications of pneumonia associated symptoms.
My mother worked for decades hosptials,and this including being short staffed during the annual.flu season was a constant annually.
Obviously if you increase those cases 1000 fold and increase severity it adds up.to. more mortality and more case overload so.im.not downplaying it.
My point is generic in that if some lives matter dont they all?
If we are having governments make legal
decisions regarding public health and health care, and drawing the line in the sand at whatever icu standard capacities are, is that remotely reasonable?
Maybe there should be an additional icu tax on reckless drunk drivers as well...
If we are allowing insurance companies to decide , then they would be in for a pile of legal.issues if they do not also change the nature of premiums based on a million other factors including sedentary lifestyle or food choices. I know they can add to.a premium fir smoking, again where is that legal.line drawn? Would it include covid and the flu shot?
What about the many many children not immunized by choice if thoer parents?
Or fed horrible diets by their parents thru put there youth.?
Again I'm merely pointing out the slippery slope we started down, both legally and mentally as a western world culture.
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Sure, but influenza deaths are between 500,000 and 600,000 annually worldwide. COVID is over five million in two years.
I believe if COVID's hosptalization rates were similar to those of the flu, we wouldn't have all these restrictions/mandatory measures.
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Obviously, as we dint previously.
My question is why not?
And since we are getting legal.precedents at 5 million world wide cases, where is the line?
It's just arbitrary?
Where is the *well we have to do "something"libe?
Ultimately doesnt society perception as a whole drive that?
And isnt that perception often driven by media,pr what the media chooses to concentrate on or not
Yes the argument could be made that world citizens drive what they report on by egat we want* to read,but to.pretend journalists habent turned long ago into sensationalism would be ignoring a big elephant in the room.
The net, have allowed as shift,and corporations like Google can indeed unduly influence perceptions.
I'm not saying covid,im saying across a wide range of topics.
This has only made it more apparent.
It's disturbing that things are at a point where trust is in those type of corporations to be ethical in the power they wield.
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Obviously, as we dint previously.
My question is why not?
And since we are getting legal.precedents at 5 million world wide cases, where is the line?
It's just arbitrary?
Where is the *well we have to do "something"libe?
The line is when there is a high risk that essential services will degrade, affecting society as a whole.
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Certainly, so we* are trusting experts to estimate this unknown impact at least somewhat accurately while tip toeing around the legal ramifications of closing businesses etc..
All while many hospitals wernt over run and were turning away scheduled operations and procedures that impacted health as well.
It's a crazy slippery slope
Is there any means of accountability of they are grossly wrong in a big picture, even I'd accurate in some regional locations?
The greater good of society always has such a nice civilized ring to it, but people fear it for good reason as history has shown good reason to.
I'd remind folks that often flu season does overload and understaff local hospitals in some regions,particularly where there is a larger elderly demographic.
Let's at least shut those counties down during flu season,said no one ever.
I get why no one likes to make the comparison, but it is the same,only the scale is different.
So if we have z predicted milder flu season it's fine,if the estimate is z particularly severe one then measures need considered,? Or it just never occurred to anyone to mandate at least masks in flu seasons in elderly/retirement communities or subdivisions at a minimum??
It's only in Asia I suppose, interesting times.
I'm just asking general rhetoric questions as we're we headed , is now a tough place to back up from.
Diabetes, heart disease ,obesity,much of which is and was avoidable , its interesting how many millions have died from.them and what budget we as western nation's have spent in education or public awareness.
hey let's mandate a limit on pre processed foods for the greater good, or helmet laws which is easily scientifically proven to reduce the majority of fatal traffic accidents.
But naw the public would rather let folks die than be forced to eat right or muss their hair.
It wouldn't be even remotely tolerated.
That amazes me. ;)
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Video of ‘Trump Supporters’, LMAO!
http://youtu.be/t63vPAlY63g
Vaccinated, boostered Covid-protected Justin has, we’ll, Covid. LMAO! I’m certain he’s well taken care of likely getting treated with monoclonal antibody. The same stuff used for Trump, Boris Johnson, etc..you know the stuff Joe Biden suspended emergency use here in the US so folks will be without the most effective treatment against Covid.
Get well soon JT!
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If the vaccine + boosters x10 is so darn effective, what and why are these bozos so scared shitless for? Come outside and breathe, enjoy the fresh air! You’re vaccinated and boostered. No need to hide under the bed.
Things that make you go hhmmm….LMAO!
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Certainly, so we* are trusting experts to estimate this unknown impact at least somewhat accurately while tip toeing around the legal ramifications of closing businesses etc..
All while many hospitals wernt over run and were turning away scheduled operations and procedures that impacted health as well.
It's a crazy slippery slope
Is there any means of accountability of they are grossly wrong in a big picture, even I'd accurate in some regional locations?
The greater good of society always has such a nice civilized ring to it, but people fear it for good reason as history has shown good reason to.
I'd remind folks that often flu season does overload and understaff local hospitals in some regions,particularly where there is a larger elderly demographic.
Let's at least shut those counties down during flu season,said no one ever.
I get why no one likes to make the comparison, but it is the same,only the scale is different.
So if we have z predicted milder flu season it's fine,if the estimate is z particularly severe one then measures need considered,? Or it just never occurred to anyone to mandate at least masks in flu seasons in elderly/retirement communities or subdivisions at a minimum??
It's only in Asia I suppose, interesting times.
I'm just asking general rhetoric questions as we're we headed , is now a tough place to back up from.
Diabetes, heart disease ,obesity,much of which is and was avoidable , its interesting how many millions have died from.them and what budget we as western nation's have spent in education or public awareness.
hey let's mandate a limit on pre processed foods for the greater good, or helmet laws which is easily scientifically proven to reduce the majority of fatal traffic accidents.
But naw the public would rather let folks die than be forced to eat right or muss their hair.
It wouldn't be even remotely tolerated.
That amazes me. ;)
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I’m sure you know you’re chasing dragons, right? You can never make sense of nonsensical matters. You’re dealing with the current state of minds of people who’ll double up wearing two (count that - 2) N95 masks because wearing only one still leaves them exposed to the 5%, LMAO!
Why is there interstate highway in Hawaii?
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Vaccinated, boostered Covid-protected Justin has, we’ll, Covid. LMAO! I’m certain he’s well taken care of likely getting treated with monoclonal antibody.
He's asymptomatic. Likely the result of those vaccines. He's been tested because of isolation rules.
If the vaccine + boosters x10 is so darn effective, what and why are these bozos so scared shitless for? Come outside and breathe, enjoy the fresh air! You’re vaccinated and boostered. No need to hide under the bed.
Even during the height of lockdown, when restaurants were pick up only, hair salons were closed, and large stores all had restrictions on numbers of shoppers allowed, people were going out on walks. I saw neighbours I'd never seen before. I think it is because all the gyms were closed. Restaurants here supposedly are very busy now, I don't know, as I only go to restaurants for lunch meetings, and even that is rather sporadic.
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He's asymptomatic. Likely the result of those vaccines. He's been tested because of isolation rules.
Even during the height of lockdown, when restaurants were pick up only, hair salons were closed, and large stores all had restrictions on numbers of shoppers allowed, people were going out on walks. I saw neighbours I'd never seen before. I think it is because all the gyms were closed. Restaurants here supposedly are very busy now, I don't know, as I only go to restaurants for lunch meetings, and even that is rather sporadic.
Of course, and likely we'll never know, JT may have been positive for antibody even before he stooged himself for vax and boost.
If not, and his vax did in fact kept him out of ICU (unlike what happened in Ontario recently where in one hospital there were more vaxxed folks in ICU than non-vaxxed) only brings to reason how absurd all these mandates really are, especially for the health care workers and other first responder for losing their jobs for non-compliance/vax refusal. Fact is, vaxxed and boosted stooges are also super-spreader as previously suspected but censored as misinformation.
Even worse if one considers that recent irrefutable studies reinforcing the fact natural immunity are as good if not offer better protection from reinfection.
Anyway, happy JT sounds as though he'll be OK. I think he's the perfect leader for Canada. He, IMO, represents Canadians very well indeed.
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CDC is asking the FDA for approval to vaccinate >6 month old children!!!
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Our restaurants never closed.
In fact that's the irony here.
Our border states (ickynoise,and Michigan)had more stringent lock downs.
So living in a city near the border that highly impacted us.
Every cafe, fast food and restaurant in this university town ( you can imagine its quite a few) had a line around the block to park the last two years. All day, all.open hours.
Mostly out of state plates.
It only let up as those states relaxed their guidelines.
Boy that was sure effective looking at things regionally.🤣
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CDC is asking the FDA for approval to vaccinate >6 month old children!!!
Im.waiting for pets ;)
I mean they culled some millions of minks, when they found they not only tested positive for covid19,but had mutated variants that had transferred back to farm.workers.
I believe virologist know,and have known, the significant differences in virus styles, some if which stay more fixed strain, versus constant change.
I feel.this was obvious with any covid style from.the start.
Since the view* is this mutated in nature when are we vaccinating the origin species? : ;)
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I actually erred in the post above. It isn't 'CDC' asking, but rather Pfizer/BioNtech that is. I don't care where anyone is on this issue, but all things considered, this just seem so sinister to vaccinate an infant.
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I’m sure you know you’re chasing dragons, right? You can never make sense of nonsensical matters. You’re dealing with the current state of minds of people who’ll double up wearing two (count that - 2) N95 masks because wearing only one still leaves them exposed to the 5%, LMAO!
Why is there interstate highway in Hawaii?
Yes ,just venting lol
The state of mind is what I'm.refering to.
What people can get wound tight about seems mostly whatever we are told to be wound tight about.
Traffic fatalities being reduced 80 to 90% is not one of them.
We will pass seat belt laws all.day,speed limits etc.
But the one safety item.proven beyond any reasonable doubt to reduce fatalities the most, and by a huge percent ,is only required in some states on motorcycles.
In your car its preposterous?
, right up.until.you race a car in a sanctioned event of any kind.
Then its completely expected and understood.
That mentality of convenience,not missing up.ones hair, vs reality of saving untold amount of lives annually is just one of so many mentality examples, and why* do we have that mentality? In.many cases its
Acceptable risk vs convenience, just like not locking down for the flu season.
I hope that an elderly person brings litigation agaisnt local county state and federal governments for negligence in the future over such disregard of public health concerns
It's the only way :)
Your state will lead us ,!
Yay
I should move back there as
I cant wait until
Life* is mandated safe
;)
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Of course, and likely we'll never know, JT may have been positive for antibody even before he stooged himself for vax and boost.
If not, and his vax did in fact kept him out of ICU (unlike what happened in Ontario recently where in one hospital there were more vaxxed folks in ICU than non-vaxxed) only brings to reason how absurd all these mandates really are, especially for the health care workers and other first responder for losing their jobs for non-compliance/vax refusal. Fact is, vaxxed and boosted stooges are also super-spreader as previously suspected but censored as misinformation.
Trudeau is asymptomatic.
Breakthrough cases occur because the vaccine wanes over time. But they also occur because of new strains of COVID. But compare Canada's rate of infection and death with the US. There is no comparison, and that is because of vaccination rates and mandates.
Even worse if one considers that recent irrefutable studies reinforcing the fact natural immunity are as good if not offer better protection from reinfection.
That's the case with EVERY vaccine. Perhaps we should just let children suffer the effects of whooping cough, measles, polio, etc.
Anyway, happy JT sounds as though he'll be OK. I think he's the perfect leader for Canada. He, IMO, represents Canadians very well indeed.
Hmm, I am not so certain of that. But he looks like this -
(http://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/shared/feeds/cp/2020/08/ajw10179339.jpg;w=960)
and that counts for something.
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There is a lot more factors to the mortality rate if covid19 in the USA versus various other countries than merely vax rates and mandates Beo.
While it certainly is part of the equation its certainly is defining at all.
One hundred studies of various countries with more or less vax rates/mostly rates show this being all over the place because of other factors .
Stating it is the* factor
Is political science,not science.
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Meh, I don't know. I don't think it's rocket science to make a correlation between vaccination rates and infection.
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Meh, I don't know. I don't think it's rocket science to make a correlation between vaccination rates and infection.
Interesting.
So uk with a population of 62 million ,and a very high vaccination rate has more case load yesterday than a country with 360 million population and a much lower vaccination rate.
I think corralating random results is political science without context.
(Even when I'm doing it!like now!)
Many states in the USA have the same general protocols as Canada, other s don't.
Amazingly covid rates do not seem to correlate at sll.to those guidelines and are far more relevant to age demographics and population centers public transport etc.
I absolutely agree vaccination rates are factor.Perhaps the largest factor
I also think a black and white statements regarding country comparisons by only that factor is silly in this context.
Plenty of countries have very low covid case rates , with very very low vax rates.
I certainly do NOT pretend it's because they are not vaccinated or that thier mandates or lack of them has anything to do with the price of bat soup in china . (Your are extrapolating the other direction so this is just an example)
It's because the rate of covid testing is low.
To pretend the USA numbers are generally accurate * comparbly to.other countries is similar to looking at all the data and easily saying the big comorbity for covid 19 mortality is being a usa citizen, period.
I mean our nationality alone by the numbers makes us more susceptible,per capita , to get covid than anywhere else in the planet except those highly vaccinated places like uk.
;)
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Trudeau is asymptomatic...
Because he has positive antibody or because of the vaccine? Does anyone know for certain? There are a lot of folks, even before the vaccine came out, that were positive but never even knew they had COVID before, too.
Breakthrough cases occur because the vaccine wanes over time. But they also occur because of new strains of COVID.
'Wanes over time' seem rather ambiguous. One day? two weeks? 3 months? A year? Are you able to give a specific time period, or are you just spraying what the media/agencies blurt out there for digestion?
Is there an automatic boosting in Canada for any specified time time going forward?
A new strain had been detected just recently, should someone who just received a booster for Omicron go right back and get another, any 'wait' period?
But compare Canada's rate of infection and death with the US. There is no comparison, and that is because of vaccination rates and mandates.
There's that comparison jiggle again. How's Canada compared to Uganda (http://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/uganda/), a nation close to Canada's population, <15+/-% vaccination rate, but only 3,500+ deaths? Do you know any correlative factors in all of these? With the amount of access to vaccine, very likely they aren't in the *boosting* shindigs yet either.
Or is there ever really a 'point' in these silly comparisons?
That's the case with EVERY vaccine. Perhaps we should just let children suffer the effects of whooping cough, measles, polio, etc.
Really? Well, that's refreshing!! Then what they heck are the mandates for then? Do you know?
Hmm, I am not so certain of that. But he looks like this -
(http://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/shared/feeds/cp/2020/08/ajw10179339.jpg;w=960)
and that counts for something.
That counts for a lot! Like I said, he's perfect for Canada! Not only in appearance, but the overall 'character'. Almost like the US, with the exception ours need more than a few naps each day.
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Interesting.
So uk with a population of 62 million ,and a very high vaccination rate has more case load yesterday than a country with 360 million population and a much lower vaccination rate.
I think corralating random results is political science without context.
(Even when I'm doing it!like now!)
Many states in the USA have the same general protocols as Canada, other s don't.
Amazingly covid rates do not seem to correlate at sll.to those guidelines and are far more relevant to age demographics and population centers public transport etc.
I absolutely agree vaccination rates are factor.Perhaps the largest factor
I also think a black and white statements regarding country comparisons by only that factor is silly in this context.
Plenty of countries have very low covid case rates , with very very low vax rates.
I certainly do NOT pretend it's because they are not vaccinated or that thier mandates or lack of them has anything to do with the price of bat soup in china . (Your are extrapolating the other direction so this is just an example)
It's because the rate of covid testing is low.
To pretend the USA numbers are generally accurate * comparbly to.other countries is similar to looking at all the data and easily saying the big comorbity for covid 19 mortality is being a usa citizen, period.
I mean our nationality alone by the numbers makes us more susceptible,per capita , to get covid than anywhere else in the planet except those highly vaccinated places like uk.
;)
I think it's the hesitancy to vaccinate that causes your high numbers.
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I think it's the hesitancy to vaccinate that causes your high numbers.
You *think*. Yes, but aren't really sure. Okay.
I ask again. Uganda's vaccination rate is almost 70% lower than Canada, yet have 10x less deaths. Why do you *think* that is?
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Polio,maybe we should ignore that first vaccine roll out for it that was a total disaster.
Let's also ignore the more recent disasters regarding new and improved vax programs for it in the third world.
Then let's pretend once vaccinated against polio, mumps, or measles you'll need boosted ever 6 to 12 months
seemingly forever.
Or is that not how those vaccines* work agaisnt those viruses?.
I mean it's not like polio doesn't mutate?
"The mutation rate of polioviruses based on several studies is approximately 3 × 10(-2) mutations/synonymous site/year in the gene encoding viral protein 1."
But meh.
Maybe im just jaded because I truly just despise getting a shot personally, always have.
So I want everyone else to get fully vaccinated ,I'm actually selfishly a huge proponent of others getting vaccinated with you know a long term working vaccine .
And I'll self isolate heh. I hate crowds anyway.
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I think it's the hesitancy to vaccinate that causes your high numbers.
Maybe!.
But the elderly in america are by far and away generally vaxed , the most susceptible demographic to.mortality.
Anyway
So what caused uk, with higher vax rate to have higher per capita case load han the usa?
The argument for vax is strong in the uk,(from.lower mortality) but certainly not from.case load
What caused some unvaxed third world countries
To be lower than Canada?
Could it be unequal.per capita testing?
I mentioned other factors, I never denied vaccination being one of them.
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Maybe!.
But the elderly in america are by far and away generally vaxed , the most susceptible demographic to.mortality.
Anyway
So what caused uk, with higher vax rate to have higher per capita case load han the usa?
The argument for vax is strong in the uk,(from.lower mortality) but certainly not from.case load
What caused some unvaxed third world countries
To be lower than Canada?
Could it be unequal.per capita testing?
I mentioned other factors, I never denied vaccination being one of them.
Not really. But I wanted her to explain this on her own cognition instead of, again, spraying *uninformed opinions* since we are on a *Vaccine Misinformation* topic.
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Not really. But I wanted her to explain this on her own cognition instead of, again, spraying *uninformed opinions* since we are on a *Vaccine Misinformation* topic.
Waiting...
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Well.. in my question regarding the usa vs uk stats yesterday, I'll give it away.
It's because they changed reporting protocol to allow second infections to be shown,so they did not have a exponential increase that the data point shows,just a change in how covid cases are reported.
My point was its relevant to know all the factors, including those type of reporting styles or comparisons are silly and political science.
Doesn't mean the other factors arnt real or relevant, just that base stats of vaxed versus a countries covid case count csn mean nothing in comparisons.
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(http://i.postimg.cc/SsqtpBds/Screen-Shot-2022-02-01-at-21-33-43.png)
http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/average-age-of-covid-19-victims-getting-younger
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Well.. in my question regarding the usa vs uk stats yesterday, I'll give it away.
It's because they changed reporting protocol to allow second infections to be shown,so they did not have a exponential increase that the data point shows,just a change in how covid cases are reported.
My point was its relevant to know all the factors, including those type of reporting styles or comparisons are silly and political science.
Doesn't mean the other factors arnt real or relevant, just that base stats of vaxed versus a countries covid case count csn mean nothing in comparisons.
Exactly. There's so many variables with COVID reporting, in addition to non-reporting variables and factors including but not limited to access to vaccine / treatments, medical facilities, that affect the overall makeshift of the number of fatalities with this pandemic. To simply cite 'a' single factor is being obtuse, if not downright ignorant. To say, think, suggest, guess - vaccination hesitancy to be the lone comparative value is just silly.
People who acts as though this is a freaking Olympic competition need to find some worthwhile hobby.
Uganda is literally a 'youthful' population, with almost 50% of its population to be at 0-14 years of age. approximately 2% being over 65 years old, age which correlate to how COVID deaths are mostly attributed.
Simpson's paradox (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/paradox-simpson/).
It's very difficult, if not near impossible to compare any of these numbers from one another, for the simply reason that each reporting nations have mocked up their respective reports, intentionally or otherwise. In the US, they counted COVID deaths indiscriminately irregardless whether its 'because of' - or 'with' COVID. In addition, these deaths doesn't have absolute accounting of contributing, if not directly because of, 'x' comorbidities.
Lack of transparency, Information suppressions, censorship, and more importantly - capitalism (in the case of USA), etc... makes this matter (death count) to be taken with a grain of salt.
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(http://i.postimg.cc/SsqtpBds/Screen-Shot-2022-02-01-at-21-33-43.png)
http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/average-age-of-covid-19-victims-getting-younger (http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/average-age-of-covid-19-victims-getting-younger)
LA TIMES, LMAO! When was the last time you were in LA, BC? Or have you ever been? LMAO. LA Times! See what I mean by Googling?
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Maybe!.
But the elderly in america are by far and away generally vaxed , the most susceptible demographic to.mortality.
Anyway
So what caused uk, with higher vax rate to have higher per capita case load han the usa?
The argument for vax is strong in the uk,(from.lower mortality) but certainly not from.case load
What caused some unvaxed third world countries
To be lower than Canada?
Could it be unequal.per capita testing?
I mentioned other factors, I never denied vaccination being one of them.
As of today, the US has 28,858,226 active cases. The UK has 3,787,443 active cases. So, taking into account population differences, the US has a little less than double the cases of the UK.
The UK was hit hardest with COVID before a vaccine was developed.
Many third world countries don't test as much, but also, COVID hasn't affected some countiries as much. That could be due to average age of the population.
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Because he has positive antibody or because of the vaccine? Does anyone know for certain? There are a lot of folks, even before the vaccine came out, that were positive but never even knew they had COVID before, too.
His wife was infected very early, March 2020, after a trip to the UK. He has not had COVID to date. I've known a lot of people who had COVID before vaccinations. They all knew they had it. Some said it was like a very mild cold, others almost died.
'Wanes over time' seem rather ambiguous. One day? two weeks? 3 months? A year? Are you able to give a specific time period, or are you just spraying what the media/agencies blurt out there for digestion?
According to medical experts, six months.
Is there an automatic boosting in Canada for any specified time time going forward?
Six months.
A new strain had been detected just recently, should someone who just received a booster for Omicron go right back and get another, any 'wait' period?
Here, you get your second dose around 4 months after your first, and can get boosters every six months. We have been told the vaccine doesn't prevent Omicron, but it does make symptoms milder.
There's that comparison jiggle again. How's Canada compared to Uganda (http://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/uganda/), a nation close to Canada's population, <15+/-% vaccination rate, but only 3,500+ deaths? Do you know any correlative factors in all of these? With the amount of access to vaccine, very likely they aren't in the *boosting* shindigs yet either.
I am certain a country with open air schools, where 75% of the population lives in rural villages and draw water from rivers keeps statistics comparable to those of Canadian governments.
That counts for a lot! Like I said, he's perfect for Canada! Not only in appearance, but the overall 'character'. Almost like the US, with the exception ours need more than a few naps each day.
Hmm, IIRC, a certain poster stated one cannot know another country via google searches. You would learn, if you lived here for any period, that Canada is not monolithic. There is the "golden triangle", the pandering to Quebec, the lefty coast, the always underemployed Maritimers, and the prairie populists. They don't all pull in one direction, and most of the time, they have disparate interests. The only things keeping this country together are universal healthcare and every region's disdain for Ottawa and the Laurentian elite.
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(http://i.postimg.cc/SsqtpBds/Screen-Shot-2022-02-01-at-21-33-43.png)
http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/average-age-of-covid-19-victims-getting-younger (http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/average-age-of-covid-19-victims-getting-younger)
This correlates to my province. We had the lowest vaccination rate in the country. We opened up on July 1, 2020, with restrictions on gatherings. Nursing homes and hospitals had very limited visitors or none. But, all businesses reopened, and have remained open since. The result of that early reopening was a surge of COVID cases by September/October, which overwhelmed our hospitals so much, patients were sent to other provinces for treatment. That surge lasted for approximately 9 months. We saw a respite when Omicron then hit. Even then the numbers are much lower than in 2020, and after our "fourth" wave.
Here, it's not infection rates that are the issue. It is how much those patient take in hospital resources. That is the reason why Canadians don't object to being vaccinated.
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I am certain a country with open air schools, where 75% of the population lives in rural villages and draw water from rivers keeps statistics comparable to those of Canadian governments...
No. The point was, any comparison is both futile and nonsensical unless there is a total comparative correlation as stated above.
Hmm, IIRC, a certain poster stated one cannot know another country via google searches. You would learn, if you lived here for any period, that Canada is not monolithic. There is the "golden triangle", the pandering to Quebec, the lefty coast, the always underemployed Maritimers, and the prairie populists. They don't all pull in one direction, and most of the time, they have disparate interests. The only things keeping this country together are universal healthcare and every region's disdain for Ottawa and the Laurentian elite.
Sarcasm was the order of the day.
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Doesn't mean the other factors arnt real or relevant, just that base stats of vaxed versus a countries covid case count csn mean nothing in comparisons.
Jumper,
Indeed, due to differences in testing programs, the simple case count is not a good measure. The best measure available is the number of deaths reported. Most industrialized nations have long standing systems in place to keep a fairly accurate count of births and deaths.
One could also assume doctors can properly attribute and report the primary cause of death, but some here do not feel even that is accurate and that a large portion of reported covid deaths are simply folks that had covid and died of other reasons. Or that doctors cannot be trusted, or that government is manipulating data, or that their local/state newspapers are wrong.
Remember in school, math teachers used to teach us how to double check our addition and subtraction? If my addition was wrong, I could verify using subtraction and vice versa.
We do have a double check that clearly shows covid deaths are real. We can confirm this by looking at excess mortality statistics showing deaths from all causes.
(http://i.postimg.cc/KvsQPBmc/Screen-Shot-2022-02-02-at-04-03-13.png)
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
The little spike you see on the left hand side is likely due to an abnormally high flu season in 2018.
If covid deaths weren't 'real', the excess deaths at the right side would not be present, nor would they clearly represent the waves of covid infections.
Some here go to even greater extents to try and disprove the lethality of covid by using data from countries such as Uganda to try and point out that if underdeveloped countries are doing so much better with very little, or even without vaccines that vaccines are obviously deficient and don't work.
They use maps such as the one below as proof that we are all being 'lied to' by our governments. After all Uganda has vaccinated very few people and practically no one is dying there from covid. It's just because we're old and fat they say...
(http://i.postimg.cc/3RRF0xz0/Screen-Shot-2022-02-02-at-05-11-58.png)
At first glance, their argument seems plausible, but fails on deeper inspection.
Compare the map above with this the one below. Look somewhat familiar?
(http://i.postimg.cc/C5t0pdpG/Screen-Shot-2022-02-02-at-05-05-13.png)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55674139
All but two countries in Europe - Albania and Monaco - have a universal death registration system, and in Asia, just over half, analysis of UN data shows.
But in Africa it is only Egypt, South Africa, Tunisia, Algeria, Cape Verde, Săo Tomé and Príncipe, Seychelles and Mauritius that have what are called functioning, compulsory and universal civil registration systems - known as CRVS systems - which record deaths.
All of the countries surveyed by the BBC, working with researchers from the UN's Economic Commission for Africa (UNECA), do have some sort of death registration.
But it is often on paper and not available in a shareable digitised form. The information may be used in a local area but cannot calculate mortality trends on a national level.
But for most countries on the continent there is no way to reach any conclusions like this as the data is so sparse.
In 14 countries a maximum of only one in 10 deaths are recorded, including in Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Cameroon.
Over half of the countries in sub-Saharan Africa only keep handwritten death records.
Certain states, such as Eritrea and Burundi, have no legal requirement to register or collate deaths at all.
If someone wants to convince themselves that vaccines don't work, it's easy to do. Too easy. In the end though, their buckets of knowledge are full of holes and do not hold water. This is exactly why so often their only recourse is to propose unprovable fallacies, blatant falsehoods and innumerable conspiracy theories. If that doesn't work, the final resort is to simply ridicule facts and sources.
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>:D
Pretty obvious who amongst us who are the children of CNN/MSNBC (where’s Rachel Maddow these days?) and Google, eh? When one drowns themselves in the Steele Dossier / Russia Collusion mythologies for years. Sense and though-processing is quickly abandoned.
Are COVID-19 death count uniform and ‘comparably absolute’ between countries? NO.
Why? Because each nations report their COVID-19 differently.
Are COVID-19 reported death counts perfect science. NO.
Why? Because reported death certificates is an imperfect science. In the US, each state, local municipalities, health agencies make their own evaluation to the cause of death. Death certificates have up to 4 levels that directly caused, contributed to, the person’s death. Referred to as ‘immediate’ and ‘underlying’.
In summary, in the US’s COVID-19 death count, all deaths because of, and with, with very few extreme circumstances, COVID-19 is all lumped in as COVID-19 death. This is NOT the case with all countries.
Can I prove this? Yes of course! I’m the Batman! I’m cute and sexy, too.
Listen to Dr. Deborah Birx, during the White House Task Force Briefing (at the 1:38 mark on the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m9vw03_2co
So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.
Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
Now, CNNers/Googlers will likely pushback and contend, “Bah hubris (lol)! I can Google anything to prove this is not true. Matter of fact, CNN will soon confirm this! When they do, I’ll post colorful graphs to support this and if I can’t dazzle the folks with my brilliance, I will certainly baffle them with, well, blame it on CNN!”
Of course Dr. Birx have more than good reason to say what she stated. I need not wonder if she’s either telling the truth, or simply innocently ignorant of the ways of the world! Who knows, right? Heck, she could be an impassioned Googler, too as we can see on this board.
How will we ever know the truth Mr. cute & sexy Batman? Easy Grasshopper.
Exhibit ‘A’ (http://www.lse.ac.uk/social-policy/Assets/Documents/PDF/working-paper-series/10-20-Anne-West.pdf)
Our findings reveal differences between countries in terms of legislative provision, recording deaths, and reporting deaths. These differences have an impact on the comparability of data on deaths associated with COVID-19 across countries.
In all countries there have been concerns about the number of deaths in care homes. In England and Germany, around a third of all deaths associated with COVID-19 have been in care homes and the proportion is even greater in France and Portugal.
Moreover, deaths at home associated with COVID-19 are not included in the reporting systems of all countries (e.g. France). In France, Italy and the UK concerns about under-reporting of COVID-19 deaths have been expressed, whilst in Germany concerns relate to over-reporting. In the former, the numbers reported are likely to be an under-estimate due to the limited availability of testing facilities3 especially, but not only, early on in the pandemic.
In a recent report on mortality in long term care facilities in Italy, the ISS found that more than 9000 people died in long term care facilities during the epidemic period in Italy (ISS, 2020). Furthermore, during the epidemic wave the majority of the residents in nursing homes died without a COVID-19 diagnosis.
For example, in the nursing homes of Lombardy only 7.4% of the deceased during the epidemic period tested positive to COVID-19 (ISS, 2020). Among the reasons indicated for the peak in mortality in these facilities, health operators included the difficulty in both hospitalising the critical cases (hospitals were operating at full capacity) and isolating the suspected positives from the other residents. On the other hand, the limited availability of testing equipment within the facilities is the main reason for the peak in under-reporting of COVID-19 related deaths within long term care facilities.
Batman could go on, but why bother. It’s obvious fact and reality are absent in some of us, could well simply be just plain ignorance, but methinks for some, it’s largely due to deep saturation to CNN feed and Googling time. Such was the case with RussiaGate.
Comparing COVID-19 deaths between nations as an absolute to zero as though it had any significant comparative relevance – is simply being I-D-I-O-T-I-C.
Tada….
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Beo-BC,
Regarding uk case loads.
My point was they showed far more daily cases than the USA that day.
Not because they had more cases,because they changed what they were reporting.
Jan 31 they reported far more cases than the USA. It means nothing.
The point was not that they had more cases, it was the comparison isn't relevent as reporting changed and is often different country to country.
Again being a u.s. Citizen is the big comorbidity of covid19 if only going off covid mortality rates.
As a nation of immigrants that defies genetic science a bit.
Granted there are other important factors (which was always my point ;) )
We are a nation with more testing, with an aging demographic in population,with higher heart disease,obesity and diabetes as well.
Oddly despite the view we are generally unvaccinated, our most susceptible population demographic,the elderly, is highly vaccinated.
As far as total mortality rates increasing, yeap,never questioned that.Never said covid19 wasn't serious.
It is easily shown in countries with high vax rates hosptilaztions are down,mortality is down.
It is also well known comorbidities and age are huge factors.
As far as the u.s. our most susceptible age groups are highly vaxed. Other countries are dropping mandates ,our own government seems to have been backed up on mandates.
As fast as the new variants are spreading the bulk of the population either has had covid, has covid now, or is vaccinated.
So not sure where it's all going but 5 jabs 12 jabs 17 jabs doesn't seem the answer.
If someone chooses to stop at one, 2 versus 5 or 10 I personally not seeing a distinction.
Others might.
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Not because they had more cases,because they changed what they were reporting.
Jan 31 they reported far more cases than the USA. It means nothing.
The point was not that they had more cases, it was the comparison isn't relevent as reporting changed and is often different country to country....
Exactamundo! The man just won free Tacos!!!!
For example, from our wonderful neighbors to the north..Covid-19 Death Toll Could Be Thousands Higher Than Official Count (http://globalnews.ca/news/7988172/canada-covid-19-deaths-excess/)
I still like JT. The perfect leader for all Canadians!! May he rule forever!!!
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Of course very limited testing and imperfect administrative reporting procedures were lacking through much of 2020. This applies to all countries including the US. For a significant amount of time, testing facilities were not adequate for the living, much less those that died outside the hospital environment. The overall theme in 2020 leans toward underreporting. Excess mortality data does confirm the trends and especially since vaccinations began, good quantitative assessments are the norm.
From Exhibit "A"
It is noteworthy that over time, policies have evolved. Indeed, we would argue that there has been
convergence between those countries that were less well prepared at the outset – in particular,
France, Italy and the UK – towards those that were better prepared, namely Austria and Germany.
In particular, testing, fundamental to accurate recording was not readily available initially in France,
Italy and the UK at the outset, but this increased over the course of the pandemic (see Annex 1,
Table A2). Reporting of deaths has become more complete and more reliable over time in those
countries that were less well prepared; this is most apparent as regards deaths in the community
and particularly in social care institutions in France and the UK.
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Well, FWIW, it isn't just isolated in the 'unavailability of testing' in the onset. It also included, but not limited to 'home / care facilities unreported deaths', 'classification of cause of death' (as described by Dr. Birx), etc...
Death counts are/were mocked up and 'absolute to zero' accounting is, at worst, unreliable; at best an estimate.
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I know in 2020, my step father, his 3 sisters went to one of the many available drive thru test places
They waited in line, filled put the paperwork, then waited again for 45 minutes to the point the decided to just go home(none were sick ,and my mother a former hosptial worker had told them it was silly to go test)
They never got swabbed or tested in any way.
A bit later they were all contacted they were covid19 positive.
So at least in illinios there was some shakiness in test reporting.
Around that time i was very sick and went to get checked out .(indiana)
They tested me for covidand said nope,negative but you do certainly have influenza B.
Empirical evidence between strict lockdown state and no lock down state lol
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Beo-BC,
Regarding uk case loads.
My point was they showed far more daily cases than the USA that day.
Not because they had more cases,because they changed what they were reporting.
Jan 31 they reported far more cases than the USA. It means nothing.
The point was not that they had more cases, it was the comparison isn't relevent as reporting changed and is often different country to country.
On January 31, the US reported 29,098,106 active cases of COVID. The UK reported 3,075,068 active cases. The UK reported 4,307,833 active cases on January 11, and 2,910,573 active cases on December 30. The numbers seem fairly consistent to me.
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I know in 2020, my step father, his 3 sisters went to one of the many available drive thru test places
They waited in line, filled put the paperwork, then waited again for 45 minutes to the point the decided to just go home(none were sick ,and my mother a former hosptial worker had told them it was silly to go test)
They never got swabbed or tested in any way.
A bit later they were all contacted they were covid19 positive.
So at least in illinios there was some shakiness in test reporting.
Around that time i was very sick and went to get checked out .(indiana)
They tested me for covidand said nope,negative but you do certainly have influenza B.
Empirical evidence between strict lockdown state and no lock down state lol
It was then and still is as shady as it could possibly be. For all the duration of 2020 and most of 2021 they were using PCR tests with at best a 60% false positive rate and at worse a 90% false positive rate. The inventor of the PCR stated many times (prior to his death) that there is no way a PCR can be relied upon to detect corona virus yet, Fauci science dictated it be used. The newer test devised since offer not much better. They send folks to the doctor and hospitals based on the results of these tests. It's insane and what's worse based on those test people get Covid-19 treatment protocols in hospitals which is certainly going to thin out the herd. Remdesiver and ventilators is murder and they are killing people.
NONE of the recorded information on positives, infections, sickness or death can be relied upon from anywhere. If it wasn't convoluted enough, it's been doctored to fit whatever narrative the Big Pharma science wishes to dictate. As for the death jabs, in the last 12 months cancer has increase 300%, miscarriages 300% and neurological disorders is up over 1000%. This is all since the death soup. I am really afraid many more is on the way. It's geneocide
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Do you have any links for those statistics?
A quick google search seems to refute at least one of your assertions, and I've read this before about miscarriages.
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/09/covid-19-vaccines-dont-raise-miscarriage-risk-3-studies-show
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I assume that to mean you couldn't find it on Google, imagine that?
http://www.naturalnews.com/2022-02-01-miscarriages-cancer-neurological-problems-skyrocketing-covid-vaccines.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/2022-02-01-miscarriages-cancer-neurological-problems-skyrocketing-covid-vaccines.html)
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There is nothing in the article on that headline that even discusses this "increase".
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NONE of the recorded information on positives, infections, sickness or death can be relied upon from anywhere. If it wasn't convoluted enough, it's been doctored to fit whatever narrative the Big Pharma science wishes to dictate. As for the death jabs, in the last 12 months cancer has increase 300%, miscarriages 300% and neurological disorders is up over 1000%. This is all since the death soup. I am really afraid many more is on the way. It's geneocide
There is nothing in the article on that headline that even discusses this "increase".
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Outrageous claim debunked as usual. 'Death soup' and 'genocide'...I'm waiting for the pied piper to make another appearance!
Fathertime!
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Death counts are/were mocked up and 'absolute to zero' accounting is, at worst, unreliable; at best an estimate.
Since reported deaths and excess mortality correlate, there is no reason to believe COVID death counts are 'mocked up'. Surely a margin of error exists, but with such large numbers it has become tough to hide in background data.
(http://i.postimg.cc/ryvXYy0C/Screen-Shot-2022-02-02-at-22-31-52.png)
From the outset I stated that numbers of infections might not accurately reflect the state of things as test criteria differed between countries.
Hospitalizations could also differ as admittance criteria vs hospital capacity is a factor we aren't able to calculate. In one country where hospitals are full, admittances would likely be lower than other countries i.e. Germany where plenty of hospital space exists.
Numbers of folks in ICU likely differ less, but still capacity remains an issue.
Deaths, although as indicated in the report you referenced might differ, especially early on, are a more absolute number that provides the best picture available. It is less subjective and doctors in general should be quite competent to identify whether someone is dead or not, within a small margin of error, and should know reporting procedures. Exceptions might be in places like Uganda. Haven't seen any FP zombies running around. Reporting procedures and criteria for determining cause of death, whether 'of' or 'with' is not that different between nations, and especially so in EU and likely US. The big difference is how quickly mortality data is published. In Italy we're talking typically same day or within a few days. In the US IIRC it may be a week or two due to reporting requirement differences between states and even counties. Daily comparisons between countries would be of little worth, but a 7 day average would be representative.
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There is nothing in the article on that headline that even discusses this "increase".
Oh there's plenty but you won't find it on your censored searches. Look harder
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Since reported deaths and excess mortality correlate, there is no reason to believe COVID death counts are 'mocked up'. Surely a margin of error exists, but with such large numbers it has become tough to hide in background data.
(http://i.postimg.cc/ryvXYy0C/Screen-Shot-2022-02-02-at-22-31-52.png)
From the outset I stated that numbers of infections might not accurately reflect the state of things as test criteria differed between countries.
Hospitalizations could also differ as admittance criteria vs hospital capacity is a factor we aren't able to calculate. In one country where hospitals are full, admittances would likely be lower than other countries i.e. Germany where plenty of hospital space exists.
Numbers of folks in ICU likely differ less, but still capacity remains an issue.
Deaths, although as indicated in the report you referenced might differ, especially early on, are a more absolute number that provides the best picture available. It is less subjective and doctors in general should be quite competent to identify whether someone is dead or not, within a small margin of error, and should know reporting procedures. Exceptions might be in places like Uganda. Haven't seen any FP zombies running around. Reporting procedures and criteria for determining cause of death, whether 'of' or 'with' is not that different between nations, and especially so in EU and likely US. The big difference is how quickly mortality data is published. In Italy we're talking typically same day or within a few days. In the US IIRC it may be a week or two due to reporting requirement differences between states and even counties. Daily comparisons between countries would be of little worth, but a 7 day average would be representative.
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Not sure what you’re trying so hard to fish for. You’re not only fishing on the wrong lake, you’re also using the wrong bait e.g. excess deaths is not a good barometer because death rate in the US during the pandemic increased dramatically i.e. suicides, opioid overdoses, unattended terminal conditions, heart attacks, etc…
The number you keep trying to grab for comparison has no merit because it will never have any reliable accounting. It’ll be like comparing values between pockets of coins from your left to right pocket by virtue of weight void of knowing what types of coins they consist of.
The other argument being tabled here is the effectiveness of the vaccine. Check the US and other countries how it affected the rate of deaths after the rollout date. Hell, check Israel. They bought, used, studied, slept with the vaccines like bees on honey. Almost in every nation, for the most part, the difference before and after is generally ZIP, ZERO, NADA. Canada is one of the worst. It actually increased despite their draconian mandates to boot. PLUS their highly dubious accounting foul up is left to be desired.
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On January 31, the US reported 29,098,106 active cases of COVID. The UK reported 3,075,068 active cases. The UK reported 4,307,833 active cases on January 11, and 2,910,573 active cases on December 30. The numbers seem fairly consistent to me.
The uk jumped 800,000 cases one day because of a change in reporting,that was according to them.the.source of the data,and they explained why* the next day. A change in reporting people who were reinfected.
Yes other times the reporting styles consistent,but not always country to country and not relevant if testing and reporting isn't consistant between countries.
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Oh there's plenty but you won't find it on your censored searches. Look harder
If they're all is misleading as your link, then there's nothing to be gained.
I believe in science, so I would need science to find that these things have occurred. So far, that hasn't happened.
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Not sure what you’re trying so hard to fish for. You’re not only fishing on the wrong lake, you’re also using the wrong bait e.g. excess deaths is not a good barometer because death rate in the US during the pandemic increased dramatically i.e. suicides, opioid overdoses, unattended terminal conditions, heart attacks, etc…
The number you keep trying to grab for comparison has no merit because it will never have any reliable accounting. It’ll be like comparing values between pockets of coins from your left to right pocket by virtue of weight void of knowing what types of coins they consist of.
The other argument being tabled here is the effectiveness of the vaccine. Check the US and other countries how it affected the rate of deaths after the rollout date. Hell, check Israel. They bought, used, studied, slept with the vaccines like bees on honey. Almost in every nation, for the most part, the difference before and after is generally ZIP, ZERO, NADA. Canada is one of the worst. It actually increased despite their draconian mandates to boot. PLUS their highly dubious accounting foul up is left to be desired.
GQ,
I'm not fishing but instead replying to your posts with real data that is contrary to your opinions. You fall into fallacy mode stating that if something cannot be proven with 100% certainty, it's all wrong in the first place. Sort of like pushing for election audits that don't pan out, but still insist the election was a sham. This as example only. Post whatever you want GQ, and if I have some spare time I might reply with information that provides contrast.
I'm sure that the virus which caused healthcare overload caused other deaths, or lockdowns may have negatively affected folks. I could use the same fallacies you do and say "you're wrong because you can't prove it in absolute numbers", but I won't. I can however point you to research that directly addresses your concern, which you will likely simply dismiss as wrong, or shoot the messenger. But hey, that's your problem. You might be surprised to hear that with high probability suicides went down, and COVID deaths undercounted.
http://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w29503/w29503.pdf
You want to hear what you want to hear, and that is ok. Just don't expect acquiescence.
As far as the vaccines go, they work very well against hospitalizations and death. You have presented absolutely nothing to back up your assertions they don't work. ZIP, ZERO, NADA indeed.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/02/02/covid-cases-mandates-vaccines-deaths/9308759002/
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GQ,
I'm not fishing but instead replying to your posts with real data that is contrary to your opinions. You fall into fallacy mode stating that if something cannot be proven with 100% certainty, it's all wrong in the first place. Sort of like pushing for election audits that don't pan out, but still insist the election was a sham. This as example only. Post whatever you want GQ, and if I have some spare time I might reply with information that provides contrast.
I'm sure that the virus which caused healthcare overload caused other deaths, or lockdowns may have negatively affected folks. I could use the same fallacies you do and say "you're wrong because you can't prove it in absolute numbers", but I won't. I can however point you to research that directly addresses your concern, which you will likely simply dismiss as wrong, or shoot the messenger. But hey, that's your problem. You might be surprised to hear that with high probability suicides went down, and COVID deaths undercounted.
http://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w29503/w29503.pdf (http://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w29503/w29503.pdf)
You want to hear what you want to hear, and that is ok. Just don't expect acquiescence.
As far as the vaccines go, they work very well against hospitalizations and death. You have presented absolutely nothing to back up your assertions they don't work. ZIP, ZERO, NADA indeed.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/02/02/covid-cases-mandates-vaccines-deaths/9308759002/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/02/02/covid-cases-mandates-vaccines-deaths/9308759002/)
Have it your way, man. This horse is long beaten to death.
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Since its ongoing globally I find the different viewpoints interesting.
I know few will change their minds ,and we tend to speak at each other versus to each other by nature of forum/written words and polarizing topic,but I still like seeing the different info and points brought up.
I have this basic distrust of government agencies in general,so I fully recognize that throws my own bias in looking at data.
As example anything the CDC tosses about I tend to look.at then find conparit8ve studies elsewhere.
Why? We seem to so quickly forget things cdc did like Tuskegee. 15 years into.the study they still knowingly witheld known life saving medication. (There are many other examples)
I find it unlikely at best they are completely devoid of similar thinking/mentality for the public good, and possible mistakes now.
A lot of it looks horrible in hindsight.
So it begs to question how what's occured now will age.
I don't think its heresey to question our prized overlords, they do not have a spotless track record.
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Since its ongoing globally I find the different viewpoints interesting.
I know few will change their minds ,and we tend to speak at each other versus to each other by nature of forum/written words and polarizing topic,but I still like seeing the different info and points brought up.
I have this basic distrust of government agencies in general,so I fully recognize that throws my own bias in looking at data.
As example anything the CDC tosses about I tend to look.at then find conparit8ve studies elsewhere.
Why? We seem to so quickly forget things cdc did like Tuskegee. 15 years into.the study they still knowingly witheld known life saving medication. (There are many other examples)
I find it unlikely at best they are completely devoid of similar thinking/mentality for the public good, and possible mistakes now.
A lot of it looks horrible in hindsight.
So it begs to question how what's occured now will age.
I don't think its heresey to question our prized overlords, they do not have a spotless track record.
They have exactly the opposite. I know from meeting you many years ago you are a well read, intelligent man with a life of experience. From your posts you are questioning the narrative script that have been shoved down our collective throats as the gospel and science because the talking heads of the NIH, CDC and the MSM tell us to. "Follow the science" has been nothing more than "follow the script". That science has made zero sense from the beginning. To follow that science we must ignore the science we have grown to know over the years.
Numerous posters here following that script without ever questioning many things they know to be false. They provide pretty charts, graphs and studies of the millions available to them to support the above reproach false narrative. The basic fundamentals of their arguments grossly flawed by the same science they claim to follow. Firstly, they completely gloss over the how and the why of why the China virus is here to begin with. I assume they are still following the "China wet market" theory or the bat cave where this magical virus leaped from bat to human. All the while completely ignoring the GOF research that has been done by these aforementioned agencies supported by Big Pharma, the WEF and the UN for many years.
All of this truth is there for them to read, research and study yet they Google and continue to follow the script. They wrap themselves up in getting the jabs, wearing masks and social distancing continuing to ignore the proven facts that poisoning one's body with tests, nano particles soup and awaiting instructions on the the next variant jab to further destroy the immune system is the solution. At this point in time and 2 years later from 2 weeks to flatten the curve, if they haven't figured it out to date they will be victims of the thinning the herd. The same people who brought you the virus are not providing you the cure.
Those people, governments and agencies are lying. To date they've had the biggest platform in the world to do so and continue to convince the feeble minded followers. The jabs and following the narrative is genocide. The NIH and CDC protocols is genocide. At best those still living with the jabs will only have subtle heath problems and worse they will die. Prevention is still the best cure and therapeutics the best solution for those that do get infected. What is coming is biblical and it is all related. All of the worlds militaries are on high alert and it's not about Putin wanting to invade Ukraine
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They have exactly the opposite. I know from meeting you many years ago you are a well read, intelligent man with a life of experience. From your posts you are questioning the narrative script that have been shoved down our collective throats as the gospel and science because the talking heads of the NIH, CDC and the MSM tell us to. "Follow the science" has been nothing more than "follow the script". That science has made zero sense from the beginning. To follow that science we must ignore the science we have grown to know over the years.
Numerous posters here following that script without ever questioning many things they know to be false. They provide pretty charts, graphs and studies of the millions available to them to support the above reproach false narrative. The basic fundamentals of their arguments grossly flawed by the same science they claim to follow. Firstly, they completely gloss over the how and the why of why the China virus is here to begin with. I assume they are still following the "China wet market" theory or the bat cave where this magical virus leaped from bat to human. All the while completely ignoring the GOF research that has been done by these aforementioned agencies supported by Big Pharma, the WEF and the UN for many years.
All of this truth is there for them to read, research and study yet they Google and continue to follow the script. They wrap themselves up in getting the jabs, wearing masks and social distancing continuing to ignore the proven facts that poisoning one's body with tests, nano particles soup and awaiting instructions on the the next variant jab to further destroy the immune system is the solution. At this point in time and 2 years later from 2 weeks to flatten the curve, if they haven't figured it out to date they will be victims of the thinning the herd. The same people who brought you the virus are not providing you the cure.
Those people, governments and agencies are lying. To date they've had the biggest platform in the world to do so and continue to convince the feeble minded followers. The jabs and following the narrative is genocide. The NIH and CDC protocols is genocide. At best those still living with the jabs will only have subtle heath problems and worse they will die. Prevention is still the best cure and therapeutics the best solution for those that do get infected. What is coming is biblical and it is all related. All of the worlds militaries are on high alert and it's not about Putin wanting to invade Ukraine
I read and tried to find the logic...but all I read is assertions, and looniness.
Remember Trump got the death soup jab...Biden got the death jab too. If it is all a genocide, why would those two both claim to get the soup jab? Are they both in on this secret and working together? I think not.
Fathertime!
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Fathertime,
I don't pretend to have any real answers.
On my end I am providing my own thoughts on the various studies and information available, and I do like hearing others interpretations.
I do not see black helicopters flying over all day or wear a tin foil hat.
I do remember the general info of the Tuskegee study and the cdc conducting it studying their patients in the study group for decades thru the known progress of dementia and death.
Never telling them what they injected them with initially.they gave thrm.the pathoden they wanted to study,how can we forget that?
Withholding a medicine that had come out that was a cure and life saver.
Allowing those study subjects to infect their family members and children.
It certainly doesn't help that it was dine to minorities only.
That's our CDC.
In the 60s until 72.
It was done in the name of public health,they are the good guys.
The administration of the agency justified such atrocities then for the public good.
I make no apologies that it takes very little to wonder what is done for the public good now.
What fundamentally changed in the agency?
They * grew a conscious this last few decades? To what level? What was not acceptable prior or now?
Ok great!
We sure hope so right?
As far as FPs thoughts on the virus origin-
I think any rational person reading in any detail the various studies and experiments performed will have serious questions.
It's known the labs here in the u.s.a (Carolinas and nebraska) started research directly down the genetic path that sars cov2 covid19 ended up. Doesnt mean it came from.there ,but what a coincidence?
We have government documentation that the research was deemed too hazardous, there was a government oversight committee formed for exactly that purpose(to be sure were wernt funding such) ,and ultimately this caused the relocation of this research to a lab in wuhan.
(Another coincidence) wuhan, not Iceland, not the Congo, wuhan
There we do know that Sars cov1, was genetically modified particularly in protein binding ,and injected into genetically altered mice with humanized lungs.
This is known research.
We are told the fact that the increased contagious rate in that resultant strain ,was an unexpected side result and not the intent of that research.
That none of it was gain of function by scientific definition.
The lead on that research admits she had many doubts wondering if Sars cov2 came from.her lab.
We are told the genetic spike protein portion of the 2 are the same (that more binding aspect) yet the DNA different enough that Sars cov2 could not have come from.the genetically altered Sars cov1 in the labs research.
So we know they researched genetically modified and had in the lab a Sars cov virus incredibly similar in its binding to what we have in the pandemic in wuhan.
We are told it's not the same Sars cov virus that started the pandemic,that coincidentally broke out in wuhan,perhaps from a wet market.
That , to my simple mind, just seems a lot of coincidence for 7 billion people to just swallow .
I know I can't without questioning it.
I maybe wearing a tin foil hat, who knows.
I do think it matters greatly where and why it originated ,and despite china* I find the lack of follow up,when we now know things were glossed over and hidden odd at best.
The things we know now, are from people digging,freedom.of information requests,,poking close enough that those in the middle pf the *non connected research* felt they better get ahead of things and release some old emails. As they had already been out right caught intentionally pointing elsewhere via Lancet
That alone should scare the bejeezus out if the public.
A pandemic breaks and you redact emails regarding research directly related?
In 2 years noone has found a legal way to actually read all.of those that would be related? We threw billions at covid
,pretty sure can sort thru the various agency emails related to that type of research.
How about a forensic audit of the three parties we know are involved in that reasearch,even if it isnt the same exact virus ?
What has come out so far is pretty shady even if viewed in the best light.
Interesting times we live in.
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I know I can't without questioning it.
I maybe wearing a tin foil hat, who knows.
In my minds eye, you have no tin foil hat simply because you're questioning it. I may be wearing the hat because my logic makes too much sense to me and other seemingly well educated folks I know follow the narrative without question. I've been questioning it from the beginning because well, that's what I do. I can believe most anything that actually adds up and it doesn't even usually require nice tidy ends. I am however disgusted when someone is pissing on my head and calling it rain. Everything concerning covid-19 from Fauci, the NIH and the CDC reeks of a lie.
When one considers that Fauci, the CDC and NIH take their orders from the Big Pharma WEF and the UN the plot only thickens. What the Bill Gates Foundation with the help of Big Pharma has done in India and Africa is unconscionable. It equates to Tuskegee only on a much larger scale reaching genocide. What they've done to the world with covid is even greater than anything previously. It's genocide and murder and they need to be brought forward to answer for it.
The information, the selected studies, the pretty charts and graphs based on the reporting from these same people is bullshit. Plain and simple. Shit in, shit out as long as it reflects the narrative. People are dying from the death soup. Others are maimed instantly and yet others are dying slowly. To point that out and refuse it in my body makes me an antivaxxer and a Trump fan well then call me an anti vaxxer and a Trump fan. My findings dictate to me that covid-19 is an engineered bio weapon for the purpose of killing people. We are still in the early stages of the jabs. The death and health problems are growing daily. There currently is no way to detox that soup from our bodies. What will be the tally of the jab in 3, 5, or 8 years
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In my minds eye, you have no tin foil hat simply because you're questioning it. I may be wearing the hat because my logic makes too much sense to me and other seemingly well educated folks I know follow the narrative without question. I've been questioning it from the beginning because well, that's what I do. I can believe most anything that actually adds up and it doesn't even usually require nice tidy ends. I am however disgusted when someone is pissing on my head and calling it rain. Everything concerning covid-19 from Fauci, the NIH and the CDC reeks of a lie.
When one considers that Fauci, the CDC and NIH take their orders from the Big Pharma WEF and the UN the plot only thickens. What the Bill Gates Foundation with the help of Big Pharma has done in India and Africa is unconscionable. It equates to Tuskegee only on a much larger scale reaching genocide. What they've done to the world with covid is even greater than anything previously. It's genocide and murder and they need to be brought forward to answer for it.
The information, the selected studies, the pretty charts and graphs based on the reporting from these same people is bullshit. Plain and simple. Shit in, shit out as long as it reflects the narrative. People are dying from the death soup. Others are maimed instantly and yet others are dying slowly. To point that out and refuse it in my body makes me an antivaxxer and a Trump fan well then call me an anti vaxxer and a Trump fan. My findings dictate to me that covid-19 is an engineered bio weapon for the purpose of killing people. We are still in the early stages of the jabs. The death and health problems are growing daily. There currently is no way to detox that soup from our bodies. What will be the tally of the jab in 3, 5, or 8 years
With all your 'big pharma', 'pied piper' and 'soup of death' rhetoric, you have been unable to explain why both Trump and Biden have received the shot...and advocated for it. Are they both in on the great hoax?
Until your 'findings' are more based in real facts, it makes more sense that the vaccine is more helpful than harmful, especially for vulnerable people.
Fathertime!
Fathertime!
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With all your 'big pharma', 'pied piper' and 'soup of death' rhetoric, you have been unable to explain why both Trump and Biden have received the shot...and advocated for it. Are they both in on the great hoax?
Until your 'findings' are more based in real facts, it makes more sense that the vaccine is more helpful than harmful, especially for vulnerable people.
Fathertime!
Fathertime!
I haven't engaged in any dialogue with you for what, 2 years or more? There's very good reason for that. You post for nothing more than reaction on whatever your uninformed ignorant pea brain can come up with off the cuff. Your mind is a slave to Yahoo and that's the premise in which you form all of your opinion. You are incapable of any sensible well reasoned dialogue. I'm convinced you do not possess the capacity for it. You couldn't find your big butt with both hands and a road map much less recognize a fact when it is staring you in the face..
It is not up to me to reason or explain for you why or why not Trump or Bidan have chosen or not to take the death jab. Did you see them take it? Do you know what was in the vial. Whatever they did or did not do is their personal choice. Not mine nor do I give one shit what they chose to do
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doctors in general should be quite competent to identify whether someone is dead
or not, within a small margin of error, and should know reporting procedures.
Thank you for that, garnered a chuckle from me.
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. You couldn't find your big butt with both hands and a road map
I think I'd have a better chance if you provided me a flashlight as well
It is not up to me to reason or explain for you why or why not Trump or Bidan have chosen or not to take the death jab. Did you see them take it? Do you know what was in the vial. Whatever they did or did not do is their personal choice. Not mine nor do I give one shit what they chose to do
I see, so you think perhaps Biden/Trump may have had something else in their vial, and not the soup of death. So that would make trump/biden in on the genocide you are claiming is happening.
That would also mean that Putin/Merkel/Trudeau are also all lying about getting the death soup vaccination...and also are all in on the genocide.
This isn't believable until you can provide more than talk of the 'pied piper'.
Fathertime!
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I haven't engaged in any dialogue with you for what, 2 years or more? There's very good reason for that. You post for nothing more than reaction on whatever your uninformed ignorant pea brain can come up with off the cuff. Your mind is a slave to Yahoo and that's the premise in which you form all of your opinion. You are incapable of any sensible well reasoned dialogue. I'm convinced you do not possess the capacity for it. You couldn't find your big butt with both hands and a road map much less recognize a fact when it is staring you in the face..
It is not up to me to reason or explain for you why or why not Trump or Bidan have chosen or not to take the death jab. Did you see them take it? Do you know what was in the vial. Whatever they did or did not do is their personal choice. Not mine nor do I give one shit what they chose to do
Three of the five stages of grief in perfect order.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Sorry for your loss FP. Two more stages to go before regaining your sanity.
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Three of the five stages of grief in perfect order.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Sorry for your loss FP. Two more stages to go before regaining your sanity.
Sounds like my post to FT must have struck a chord with you BC. Oh well, if the shoe fits and to you it certainly does wear it
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Three of the five stages of grief in perfect order.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Sorry for your loss FP. Two more stages to go before regaining your sanity.
He doesn't have the capacity to get through all of the stages. He will die before he admits he was incorrect...guaranteed.
Sounds like my post to FT must have struck a chord with you BC. Oh well, if the shoe fits and to you it certainly does wear it
None of your efforts to deflect, disguise your inability to explain why all these world leaders have taken the death soup vaccination. Trump/Biden/Merkel/Putin...etc etc. Asserting it's big pharma' doesn't explain it. Maybe you can next assert the Lolita express and big pharma are working together and forcing these guys to remain silent. Even better, maybe you can find a way to circle back and show it's Hillary Clinton's fault...
Reality remains, you aren't making a convincing argument.
Fathertime!
Fathertime!
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Oh well, if the shoe fits and to you it certainly does wear it
FP,
Actually, a good analogy.
Cavemen and women used to run around barefoot. Then one of them came up with the idea of strapping some bark to their soles. The inventor was ridiculed, scoffed at, accused of some black magic witchcraft, and otherwise persecuted and ostracized. Real cavemen and women after all don't have a need for such. It took a while, but when the scoffers started noticing their clan dwindling as they suffered more deaths from frostbite, infections and stepping on poisonous snakes and other bad critters, they changed their tune and started making shoes for themselves. Although they eventually tried Neanderthals were slow at it and became extinct.
Here you have two camps, one working the solution and the other remaining in the problem. So yes, the shoes I wear are quite comfortable, and getting more-so every day as the witches and warlocks conspire to create more effective death soup, sell death masks, promote deadly social distancing and require barcodes to travel, get into bars and restaurants and the other fun things in life.
One thing that is common to naysayers and conspiracy advocates is they offer no solutions, or maybe better said, their solution is to do nothing and complain about the problem.
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BC, I can see now why it has been so difficult to get through to you. You seem to only a quasi understanding of what we're dealing with here because it's not been explained to you on a juvenile level. I have long ago given up on trying to explain anything to you on a molecular level of what's happening and how Big Pharma is invading our bodies. The why is still a question but the result of it is all around. It's the deaths and illness associated with that invasion.
Let's try it with your caveman analogy, shall we? I knew you could! Many, many years ago the cave boys and girls found that a gift was given them from the good Lord above but they didn't know what it was. They were very strange looking things and they were put in a place in the hovel of the Leader Caveman and not spoke of again
For many years the cave people and the Neanderthals have complained to the Leader Caveman that their feet hurt, were cold and they were being bitten buy serpents. The Leader came up with an idea! We can all strap on bark to our feet. It will offer some degree of psychological protection, help us to walk, some protection to our feet and we can all feel better!
All of the cave boys and girls wore bark on their feet and felt good that the feet problem was solved. But Alas, even though they now had bark on their little feet, their feet were still cold, they were still getting bit and dying from the serpent bites. The serpents liked the bark too and now there were even more serpents, but that was okay because we have bark on our feet and we'll make sure everyone has bark on their feet and all the world will be grand! Many more little cave boys and girls continue to die because the bark was poison and the serpents liked poison too. That is okay because all the little cave people were doing what the big Caveman Leader told them to do and they felt much safer.
Years later, after all the cave people died and went away and the gift of the good Lord was forgotten, a nice pair of strong well made boots was found in the Leader caveman's hovel.
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Interesting article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/07/lockdown-killed-two-three-died-coronavirus/
To think some actually celebrated lockdowns and censored those who warned and argued about it. This was even published ahead of the Great Barrington Declaration that Fauci and company took down.
Now the White House moron is calling to stop the stupid useless mask mandate February 15th. Finally.
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Interesting article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/07/lockdown-killed-two-three-died-coronavirus/
To think some actually celebrated lockdowns and censored those who warned and argued about it. This was even published ahead of the Great Barrington Declaration that Fauci and company took down.
Now the White House moron is calling to stop the stupid useless mask mandate February 15th. Finally.
At the beginning of the pandemic under trump, you fell for the lock downs yourself. My silly ass paraded myself to work each and every day...mask free. There were always leaks in the complete lock down of LA (Aside from essential workers) but the roads were close to empty that first week. Despite this, I had a little group of people always stepping through my near lone open shop on the street.
Fathertime!
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BC, I can see now why it has been so difficult to get through to you. You seem to only a quasi understanding of what we're dealing with here because it's not been explained to you on a juvenile level. I have long ago given up on trying to explain anything to you on a molecular level of what's happening and how Big Pharma is invading our bodies. The why is still a question but the result of it is all around. It's the deaths and illness associated with that invasion.
Let's try it with your caveman analogy, shall we? I knew you could! Many, many years ago the cave boys and girls found that a gift was given them from the good Lord above but they didn't know what it was. They were very strange looking things and they were put in a place in the hovel of the Leader Caveman and not spoke of again
For many years the cave people and the Neanderthals have complained to the Leader Caveman that their feet hurt, were cold and they were being bitten buy serpents. The Leader came up with an idea! We can all strap on bark to our feet. It will offer some degree of psychological protection, help us to walk, some protection to our feet and we can all feel better!
All of the cave boys and girls wore bark on their feet and felt good that the feet problem was solved. But Alas, even though they now had bark on their little feet, their feet were still cold, they were still getting bit and dying from the serpent bites. The serpents liked the bark too and now there were even more serpents, but that was okay because we have bark on our feet and we'll make sure everyone has bark on their feet and all the world will be grand! Many more little cave boys and girls continue to die because the bark was poison and the serpents liked poison too. That is okay because all the little cave people were doing what the big Caveman Leader told them to do and they felt much safer.
Years later, after all the cave people died and went away and the gift of the good Lord was forgotten, a nice pair of strong well made boots was found in the Leader caveman's hovel.
Deflecting isn't convincing.... Maybe you consider trying to convince yourself first. If it were poison, why would all these world leaders get the dreaded death soup vaccination?
Fathertime!
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Interesting article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/07/lockdown-killed-two-three-died-coronavirus/
Does the article give a link to the study? Can't read the full article due to paywall so would be great if you can post the link to the study itself.
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Does the article give a link to the study? Can't read the full article due to paywall so would be great if you can post the link to the study itself.
I was hoping others, like myself, were on their 'grace period' prior to capitalism line. I went back and it has me on the pay zone as well.
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At the beginning of the pandemic under trump, you fell for the lock downs yourself. My silly ass paraded myself to work each and every day...mask free. There were always leaks in the complete lock down of LA (Aside from essential workers) but the roads were close to empty that first week. Despite this, I had a little group of people always stepping through my near lone open shop on the street.
Fathertime!
Many states including mine did not have such a lockdown, our border states had strict lock downs.
From.early on it was quote clear covid had little regard for either ,which considering its style of transmission certainly shouldn't have shocked anyone, and certainly not public health officials.
(We had lower rates that the 3 border states with lockdowns and more stringent guidelines)
Guess which counties we had with highest rates (even though still lower than the other states)
The ones with commuter rail to major cities in the border states.
You could literally watch the daily progress by bus and rail stop.
This wasn't hard to figure out and any health official.would know.
So the essiential.* worker commuter rail line brought us the most cases by far.
Counties outside the rail sysyem.had significantly lower cases by margins of ten or 50 fold.
Pretty common sense stuff.
If you care to go back and watch old case mapping.
You can see the exact same effect in PA from.philly out into rural PA.
Directly in.the towns along commuter bus or rail lines.
This isn't looking back with 20/20 vision ,it was obvious in real time and certainly made sense.
we had a deadly pandemic and making shut lockdowns etc, why the heck was this key issue not addressed?
It's not like traffic was an issue.
The handling of this as *it never happened before* so that is our excuse for bungling it is odd.
I preiously worked for a water utility for many years in the lab and as a county superintendent (chicago)
,I worked closely with fema as well.
We had protocols,exercises, etc often on exactly this type of scenario, water born.
I know they had protocols for airborne as it goes hand in hand at times.
These exercises included what to do with hundreds of thousands of dead ,in the county, in a 2 week period,as that's something that is certainly possible with several not uncommon water bourne pathogens or agents that could be introduced(far too easily)
This is a matter of when, not if,and there are a lot of people trained to handle it.
There is zero excuse for the ineptitude shown in this * one off event by local city county and state governments, yes includes the federal gov, although the state and counties have much more to do with this type of public heath scenario.
This has reeked from day one, the excuses are lame, the handling or rather zero handling of pre treatment protocol for 2 years is unbelievable.
Not one diesease do we tell patients to wait until they are ill enough to be admitted to the er to get treatment.
There is nothing unique about a respiratory virus or Sars to excuse this type of non response for 30 days ,much less two years.
It might sound like sour grapes to look back and say ,*well.they shoulda*
But I know from.experience that protocols for much more deadly pathogens are in place, are studied,over,, and, over, and, and with real world exercises, participated, staff trained etc..
This is part of what drives my distrust for most everything related.
Most countries have similar agencies at local ,regional and national.levels to face this exact scenario in far worse case scenarios.
The firm I worked for previously is the largest water utility in the world,based in France . I've been to headquarters there for exactly zthis type of training exercise with other city managers regarding water born outbreaks.
Yet we watched most of the countries of the world struggle to get even basic plans in place beyond-
wear a mask,stay home,save lives.
🤷♂️
It's ludicrous and remains so.
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I was hoping others, like myself, were on their 'grace period' prior to capitalism line. I went back and it has me on the pay zone as well.
GQ,
I was able to find this comparable article from 2020. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8605885/Lockdown-killed-two-people-three-died-coronavirus.html that states basically the same thing.
It is thought that as many as 16,000 people died because they didn't get medical care between March 23 and May 1.
In the same period, 25,000 Britons died of the virus.
I do agree that many may have died during the lockdown due to hesitance of going to the emergency rooms. Maybe even one of our members Sandro. Although just guessing, it may well be that he experienced a heart attack and decided to try and wait it out.
The main purposes of lockdowns was to try and contain the spread, in order to reduce the load on already overloaded hospital systems.
I suspect most countries and states experienced somewhat similar incidence, although determining a more exact number is still guesswork.
Hopefully, governments will begin to build in reserve healthcare capacity instead of cost cutting measures. In the end, no matter what calamity hits us, when healthcare systems reach their capacity there will be unavoidable, negative side effects.
Bottom line, if hospital capacity, doctors, nurses and ambulance services are exhausted, for whatever reason, additional casualties will result. The big question will continue to be if we can put what we learned from early crisis days into real, and balanced solutions.
All considered, lockdowns or not, I doubt it would have changed anything, and could have even been worse.
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At the beginning of the pandemic under trump, you fell for the lock downs yourself. My silly ass paraded myself to work each and every day...mask free. There were always leaks in the complete lock down of LA (Aside from essential workers) but the roads were close to empty that first week. Despite this, I had a little group of people always stepping through my near lone open shop on the street.
Fathertime!
You had me curious. Since my profession was classified as ‘essential’, it had no economic effect on me. I would have been indifferent. My wife, as a CPA, was furloughed. So I had doubts I ‘would have fallen for’ the lockdown. Now I may have humored about the amount of traffic disappearing as a welcomed benefit, but that would be expressed more as an irony if not a jest.
So the cat in me got curious. As there had been multiple threads regarding this singular subject, it took a while but I did find my position about the lockdown back in April 2020. Here it is…
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24283.msg533613#msg533613
Interesting too that there were two instances there that I gave a comparative sampling in trying to illustrate a point in the severity of this pandemic. We currently have a shade over 900k dead from Covid related deaths after 2 years. 450k/year. Less compared to smoking related deaths, less than annual cardiovascular related deaths.
Pretty fun seeing the polarity in opinions then too on who were for lockdowns and who were convinced it was a very bad idea.
LMAO, I like BillyB, but his fuzzy calculations then had us dying in the billions :devil:
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From what I’ve read in many articles and studies, it isn’t only medical hesitancy that caused casualty. Suicides from depression, domestics and child abuse, drug and alcohol addiction and overdoses, rising crime due to instability, etc. The lockdown caused far more than just economic shutdown. It had undoubtedly caused a great deal more in all our psyche for generations. Already cancel culture and censorship had mostly consumed the fibers in the US’s society.
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GQ,
Yes, of course lockdowns affected us all in different ways, some negative, some maybe even positive. Hopefully, some time in the future we'll be able to read better and more reliable quantitative assessments of these effects. I hope you read the previous study I posted, as it clearly shows the complexity involved when trying to reach sound conclusions. Some interesting info on suicides as well in the study.
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BC-
From what I’ve read in many articles and studies, it isn’t only medical hesitancy that caused casualty. Suicides from depression, domestics and child abuse, drug and alcohol addiction and overdoses, rising crime due to instability, etc. The lockdown caused far more than just economic shutdown. It had undoubtedly caused a great deal more in all our psyche for generations. Already cancel culture and censorship had mostly consumed the fibers in the US’s society.
When the latest restrictions in California end Feb 15, it will be welcomed. My buddy's child got the virus and he states he is a 'long hauler' with new, perhaps permanent health conditions. So, it seems society will continue to pay costs for the years to come. Others have been affected in the ways you stated above. A few have thrived.
Personally, I'd like to visit old pops unimpeded by restrictions, as he has survived at 101 years old....perhaps in part to the strict guidelines/restrictions.
Fathertime!
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LMAO, I like BillyB, but his fuzzy calculations then had us dying in the billions :devil:
Good old BillyB's calculations had each of us dying twice.
Fathertime!
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So our border state Illinois, with mask.mandates all thru this ,dropped them this week, when the covid case rate is higher than anytime over the last two years (other than the recent dec jan spike)
So it's still higher than the prior entire two year average.
So over 2 years of mandating their use as effective and needed to insure public health, right up until we have higher case loads, but well, people are *tired of saving lives.
Hosptialized case loads there ,in the areas were it was a concern prior, are similar to the entire mandate time average, and they are more understaffed than prior so no ,that's not the driving factor even though that's alluded to as the reason.
Glad those lockdowns were 1% effective too!
I mean the Israel study showing the effects of proper vitamin D levels is zero surprise, and wouldnt have been equally or far more effective of pushed /provided by our health officials with all those billions in fed covid money floating about?
Naw.
And you gotta love the immigrant family in chicago boasting with pics of new rolls,and lambos of the millions they made covid testing * with a pile of the samples just tossed...or still sitting in storage units hahaha
Brilliant to know there would be no oversight and just take the dough rae me! If they could have stayed off social.media they might not be investigated over a couple hundred million...
In the end though it seems covid was very very good to them.
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Interesting too that there were two instances there that I gave a comparative sampling in trying to illustrate a point in the severity of this pandemic. We currently have a shade over 900k dead from Covid related deaths after 2 years. 450k/year. Less compared to smoking related deaths, less than annual cardiovascular related deaths.
Pretty fun seeing the polarity in opinions then too on who were for lockdowns and who were convinced it was a very bad idea.
Remember, those figures reflect what was achieved. Would they be lower without all the measures taken and vaccines? Certainly not. IMO they would be double, maybe more.
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So our border state Illinois, with mask.mandates all thru this ,dropped them this week, when the covid case rate is higher than anytime over the last two years (other than the recent dec jan spike)
So it's still higher than the prior entire two year average.
So over 2 years of mandating their use as effective and needed to insure public health, right up until we have higher case loads, but well, people are *tired of saving lives.
I think I wore a mask a couple times here at the shop towards the beginning....and rather half-heartedly,
One thing I do is try to keep a distance between me and people. The problem is, I get a certain percentage of idiots that like to be right up talking in my face....less than 1 foot away. It's just so stupid, first off often their breath often smells like hell to begin with, plus I don't want to get the virus because some idiot doesn't know how to give people normal personal space.
Personally I'm not tired of 'saving lives' but we all got to live, and the 'boomer removal program' is nearing completion! Unless the virus mutates into a much deadlier form, I think the masks/lockdowns are going to be ending for good. The people seem to be done.
Fathertime!
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That's my point, the people are done.
Zero to do with saving lives or case rates of infection/hospitalizations..
To me it's
Irony ˛
Where are the calls for saving our children?they have been masked for 2 years in school here, yet we will drop it when infection rates are higher?
Their risks remains fairly low but fairly consistent omicron or not.
So the expected reversals out of just being fed up with it ,I'm pretty sure was being pointed out as the most likely outcome all along.
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Remember, those figures reflect what was achieved. Would they be lower without all the measures taken and vaccines? Certainly not. IMO they would be double, maybe more.
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Actually, a resounding no. Those numbers were recorded yearly cases prior to SC-2. Heart diseases were killing approx. 650k/yr, and smoking-related deaths @ 480,000.
http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm)
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm)
Those were the links I provided in our discussions 2 years ago. Compare those annual death rates to COVID-related deaths per year since 2020, which is about 450,000 of mostly the aged and the infirmed, illustrate this was sensationalized if one considers the totality of the reaction to this virus. Not least of which the stupid lockdown, frenzy over censorship, crazy mandates, etc.
Of those who perished during 'this pandemic', whether COVID was the 'immediate, underlying or contributory' cause of death, the two most causes were cardiovascular and pulmonary failures. In essence, these folks were, for all intent and purposes, already on 'borrowed time'. It was just a matter of time. Let's face it, crass that may be, it is what it is.
It wasn’t the virus that was the evil that pervade these past two years. It was the politics behind it.
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Here you have two camps, one working the solution and the other remaining in the problem.
I mean this seriously, surely you don't think the left is in the solutions camp?
When Trump was working on a vaccine. The left cried that it would be years if not decades away
from reality. When Trump suggested different medicines to people after they caught covid, he
was selling fishoil and death.
The left has been silencing anyone who doesn't exactly parrot their words and group think, even
if their words are proven to be wrong.
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Oh wow! I hope things work out well with our neighbors up north.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OasCVQZJi7A
I hope this serious pushback on their PM dissipate asap. I really believe he is the perfect leader for all of Canada. I pray he rules for life!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGg1ky9zeQA
"...No one knows where public health ends, and politics begin..."
Terrible really!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2JNpUVwxi8
Playing politics with the vaccine mandate? In Canada, too? That appears so hauntingly familiar....
I shall light a candle for Trudeau myself. Stand strong, baby. You are Canada's Obama.
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Just the smoking gun...
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/early-lab-grown-covid-virus-143616129.html
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Just the smoking gun...
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/early-lab-grown-covid-virus-143616129.html (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/early-lab-grown-covid-virus-143616129.html)
Be prepared to be censored and ultimately cancelled, AJ. Hahah!
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Be prepared to be censored and ultimately cancelled, AJ. Hahah!
Hahaha
Pretty sure this will be danced around by the media for awhile ,with snippets of *possibilities * dropped now and then,until.the general population gets more slowly acclimated to the idea ,and drawn out long enough before confirming that *what's it matter now?* will prevail.
Just a guess.
Pretty ironic a soil sample from antartica, oddly ,cross contaminated in a Chinese lab with a lab maniputlared covid virus ,with lab test animal DNA , all proir to covid19 pandamic,, got ultimately tested (as a soil sample)by an afflated lab in Hungary ,and um now* that info comes out. Oops. 😅
It's those long strings of coincidence that just keep coming ,and coming and...
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Here are the contents of the Pfizer vaccine. Please tell me what is not either occurring in the body (such as lipids, which is what the first ingredient is, together with a code to produce an immune response), or is not consumed by humans in foods-
ALC-03415=((4-hydroxybutyl)azandediyl)bis(hexande-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALB-0159=2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide1,2=Disteroyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine cholesterol
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
monobasic potassium phosphate
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
sucrose
water for injection
You know what arguably was a poison - not existing in the human body until injected in a vaccine? The polio vaccine. But that vaccine changed history for the better.
Boe, don't you know that one hour internet search is more efficacious than a lifetime researching at a lab?
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Muzh, I guess the reports of your death were exaggerated !!
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Boe, don't you know that one hour internet search is more efficacious than a lifetime researching at a lab?
Welcome back!!
That said the entire premise that something is safe* to.inject into a human body ,simply on the basis the human body already contains that substance, is silly.
The list of things naturally in a human, that if injected with more , or in random combinations if such ,that could be harmful.or lethal is pretty extensive.
I do think the vaccines are safe*
I equally think the entire premise they are safe because* of their ingredients occurring already in a person is silly and pretty misleading.
🤷♂️
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Muzh, I guess the reports of your death were exaggerated !!
I'm like weed. Never die. :P
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Boe, don't you know that one hour internet search is more efficacious than a lifetime researching at a lab?
Welcome back to the forum!
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Remember, those figures reflect what was achieved. Would they be lower without all the measures taken and vaccines? Certainly not. IMO they would be double, maybe more.
Maybe less?
Lockdowns only reduced COVID deaths by 0.2 per cent, Johns Hopkins study finds
We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting
gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality'
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/johns-hopkins-university-study-covid-19-lockdowns
CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo completely avoid Johns Hopkins study finding COVID
lockdowns ineffective ABC, CBS, NBC also ignored the anti-lockdown study
http://www.foxnews.com/media/johns-hopkins-university-study-lockdowns-media-blackout
How many trillions in losses of income were caused by Lefty do-gooder control freaks?
How many businesses went under? How many children lost a years education?
How many lefty's called GOP governors killers, for reopening their states?
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I'm like weed. Never die. :P
Hola! Welcome back!!!
What kept you away?
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Maybe less?
Lockdowns only reduced COVID deaths by 0.2 per cent, Johns Hopkins study finds
We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting
gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality'
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/johns-hopkins-university-study-covid-19-lockdowns (http://nationalpost.com/news/world/johns-hopkins-university-study-covid-19-lockdowns)
0.2%. That's roughly <2,000 deaths. Better than a good chance those will have at least 2 comorbidities.
What a waste if John Hopkins study is right, and with CDC's reported annual cardiovascular disease deaths, very likely that number remained the same throughout 2020 & 2021, except it was then classified and counted as COVID deaths.
This will really shock BillyB because according to his math two years ago, there should only be about dozen people left alive in the world by the first Tuesday of next month.
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Just the smoking gun...
http://UK.news.yahoo.com/-143616129.HTML
Hell no, man. That thing came from bat and dog eaters in the Wuhan wet market. You're blasphemous. If that didn't work it came from a cave 1000 miles away from Wuhan, you know, where bat viruses jump from bats straight to human no ST. Fauci involved, no way no how ;)
I'm like weed. Never die. :P
I'd take bets on a correlation. Hey Old friend
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Boe, don't you know that one hour internet search is more efficacious than a lifetime researching at a lab?
:D
Great to "see" you here. I hope all is well in your life. Your youngest on must be a teen now, or maybe older?
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Maybe less?
Lockdowns only reduced COVID deaths by 0.2 per cent, Johns Hopkins study finds
We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting
gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality'
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/johns-hopkins-university-study-covid-19-lockdowns
CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo completely avoid Johns Hopkins study finding COVID
lockdowns ineffective ABC, CBS, NBC also ignored the anti-lockdown study
http://www.foxnews.com/media/johns-hopkins-university-study-lockdowns-media-blackout
How many trillions in losses of income were caused by Lefty do-gooder control freaks?
How many businesses went under? How many children lost a years education?
How many lefty's called GOP governors killers, for reopening their states?
2Tall,
You should really read the studies themselves. This was a "review and meta-analysis" of other studies. It is not a direct study using collected data for the purpose of determining whether or not lockdowns were effective.
Source:
A LITERATURE REVIEW AND META-ANALYSIS OF THE EFFECTS OF LOCKDOWNS ON COVID-19 MORTALITY
http://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf
Discussion
Overall, we conclude that lockdowns are not an effective way of reducing mortality rates during
a pandemic, at least not during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.
So this paper studies other studies from the first wave and lockdowns, and does not take into account timing factors in each country.
The role of optimal timing
We exclude papers which analyze the effect of early lockdowns in contrast to later lockdowns.
There’s no doubt that being prepared for a pandemic and knowing when it arrives at your
doorstep is vital
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Furthermore,
Conclusions
Overall, our meta-analysis fails to confirm that lockdowns have had a large, significant effect on
mortality rates.
What the study does not say is "this study confirms that lockdowns had no large, significant effect on mortality rates."
So ok, they could not confirm that lockdowns had a significant effect on mortality, based on a review of 34 out of 18000 studies. That leads us nowhere.
I'm not bashing the validity of study at all, but instead pointing out to you and others to read them carefully and find out exactly what the study is studying, and fully understand the limitations of the study.
The way this study is being described, and what it actually says, is being taken out of context by the two links you posted. Comparison below
What the National Post says:
“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” reads the paper, which is based on a review of 34 pre-existing COVID-19 studies.
What the study says:
Overall conclusion on specific NPIs
Because of the heterogeneity in NPIs across studies, it is difficult to draw strong conclusions
based on the studies of multiple specific measures. We find no evidence that lockdowns, school
closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19
mortality. There is some evidence that business closures reduce COVID-19 mortality, but the
variation in estimates is large and the effect seems related to closing bars. There may be an effect
of mask mandates, but just two studies look at this, one of which one only looks at the effect of
employee mask mandates.
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Great to "see" you here. I hope all is well in your life.
Indeed. Nice to hear from you Muzh!
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2Tall,
You should really read the studies themselves. This was a "review and meta-analysis" of other
studies. It is not a direct study using collected data for the purpose of determining whether or
not lockdowns were effective.
BC,
I have read lefty articles pooh-poohing the study in different ways.
If you want to believe that the great financial harm and loss of
individual liberty was worth it, then I won't try to change your mind.
I think that many governments thought that they were doing the
right thing, forcing the great unwashed masses from causing
themselves harm.
Lefty favorite fake fact checker organizations like Snopes believes
as you do. I have read articles that disagree with the reporting of
the John Hopkins Study.
http://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/03/johns-hopkins-study-on-lockdowns/
The leftist activist fake fact checker politifact did much the same thing.
Udachi!
Bill
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Seriously, who can argue that the left has a superior grasp of science?
The left has played their phony science card to the point of losing any
credibility.
What about Dental patients? Shouldn't they be forbidden to having their
teeth repaired?
NJ 3-year-old kicked out of speech therapy due to mask mandates
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/nj-3-year-old-speech-therapy-mask-mandate-moral-crime
Powerful union donors have special rules carved out for them.
New York to lift indoor mask mandate, but not for kids in schools
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-lifts-indoor-mask-requirement-not-for-schools
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Seriously, who can argue that the left has a superior grasp of science?
The left has played their phony science card to the point of losing any
credibility.
Anything constructive to add to discourse?
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:D
Great to "see" you here. I hope all is well in your life. Your youngest on must be a teen now, or maybe older?
College. History major. Future intelligence officer. Hopefully.
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Indeed. Nice to hear from you Muzh!
Yeah, it's been a while. See not much has changed. 8)
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BC,
<snip>
Lefty favorite fake fact checker organizations like Snopes believes
as you do. I have read articles that disagree with the reporting of
the John Hopkins Study.
http://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/03/johns-hopkins-study-on-lockdowns/ (http://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/03/johns-hopkins-study-on-lockdowns/)
The leftist activist fake fact checker politifact did much the same thing.
Udachi!
Bill
You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 8)
Cheers Bud.
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You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 8)
:ROFL:
This is one of the reasons I missed you.
Bill, what in that snopes article linked is inaccurate?
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You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 8)
I know a zillion left of center men and women. To my knowledge not a devil lover among them.
Cheers Bud.
Cheers to you as well!
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Not the joyous news we were all hoping for in this article:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/12/scientists-plead-caution-covid-restrictions-lifted-england
They reckon that there may be an equal chance the next variant may be more dangerous as the chance is that it may be milder. I think we were all hoping on milder. If it's more dangerous then more vaccinations and other measures are likely to be needed again. I think the general feeling is that hopefully the virus becomes milder as it seeks to infect more and that it will be a continual process in that direction, let's hope that is so.
I personally think the solution in the event of a more dangerous virus would be for everyone to where a proper respirator mask when outside the home. They only cost the government Ł5 to buy in bulk order so would work out cheaper than vaccines in the long term. If everyone in every nation did that for about probably 3-4 months then we would likely be free from the virus for good and possibly all flu viruses as well, worth then thinking about it I think.
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TC are the nations planning to including animals in this process? Just curious.
We* seem to ignore this virus crosses species and the variants all along have been found in animals both domestic and wildlife, mink,deer etc.
That would tend to make variants a tad more unpredictable and control* virtually impossible?
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You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 8)
Cheers Bud.
Hmmm I thought it was the adrenochrome children's blood harvesters.
Conspiracy theorists: " the moon landing is fake"
The average person for fun: " hmm, ok, you're one of those crazies that believe in the moon"
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Seriously, who can argue that the left has a superior grasp of science?
The left has played their phony science card to the point of losing any
credibility.
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv021122dAPC20220211104505.jpg)
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The good old little Cook Islands 99.6% of their population is vaccinated and double vaccinated. For those wacky conspiricy 'globalists' theorists, why would the leaders of this harmless carefree little group of islands want to harm their own little children? Did the 'pied piper' row over to the islands to pay them a visit?
Cook Islands braces for first community Covid-19 cases
...."It may be there is 'silent transmission', where our high vaccination rate is so protective that people get Covid but so mildly that they do not realize they have it."
Official data show that 99.6% of the island nation's roughly 17,000 people aged 12 and over is double-vaccinated, and 70% of those eligible have had their booster shots.
Cook Islands resumed quarantine-free travel with New Zealand a month ago, after shutting itself off from the world when the pandemic hit in early 2020.....
http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cook-islands-tourist-covid-cases/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cook-islands-tourist-covid-cases/index.html)
(http://atlasofnationsbeautifulfaces.weebly.com/uploads/4/9/5/0/49501235/50527_orig.jpg)
Fathertime!
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That's a rather leading question isn’t it?
Intending harm vs intended health benefit is of course quite different.
So no I certainly dint think they intended harm.
I am certain that since no long term trials,trials which are usually the main focus of any vaccine approval, couldnt have been done.
You can't throw money at a trial and speed up time.
The very base reason long term trials are so much a part of the approval process is from past vaccine tragedies.
No matter how much anyone wiggles ,you cannot avoid that these vaccines simply havnt had the time to the usual long term trial requirements,so the safety is based on short term results and frankly since past mrna all failed long term studies,,it hope that the billions thrown at it mitigated past issues.
Obviously most think that is the case.
The Navajo were hit particularly hard with covid and have had extremely strict protocols in place and heavily encouraged vaccination,with a very high vax rate across all ages
Equally sure thier tribal leaders dont intend any harm.
To FPs point, you don't have to look back far at all to see the Navajo in particular have incredible sound reasons to not trust any government Healthcare programs. ( great sterilization program we had in place for young women)
So tit for tat comparing small ethnic scenarios?
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Hmmm I thought it was the adrenochrome children's blood harvesters.
Conspiracy theorists: " the moon landing is fake"
The average person for fun: " hmm, ok, you're one of those crazies that believe in the moon"
Birds are real. ;)
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While browsing about the internet I found an interesting little story about the booster shots being detrimental. It seems that too many death jab injections will wear out people's immune system and cause it harm.
Parden me waiter, I'll just have 1 order of death soup.
Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response
European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.
Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said....
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says)
Fathertime!
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While browsing about the internet I found an interesting little story about the booster shots being detrimental. It seems that too many death jab injections will wear out people's immune system and cause it harm.
Parden me waiter, I'll just have 1 order of death soup.
Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response
European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.
Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said....
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says)
Fathertime!
When the EU is more conservative than... the philistines of USA...
Houston we have a ..
Pattern
;)
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While browsing about the internet I found an interesting little story about the booster shots being detrimental. It seems that too many death jab injections will wear out people's immune system and cause it harm.
Parden me waiter, I'll just have 1 order of death soup.
Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response
European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.
Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said....
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says)
Fathertime!
Guess handy I just had the two AZ jabs then gave the booster a miss as they were offering Pfizer which is mRNA, no thanks. My guess is that about one booster or so is probably about the max it can be taken to judging by that article. Then there is the ability of the virus to mutate to get around the vaccine which now appears to be the case with the Omicron variant latest mutation judging by this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/omicron-ba2-variant-symptoms-us-b2020182.html
So if it keeps spreading as it has been in the US we could soon be back in the poop and needing a new vaccine. That or another method of tackling the virus.
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So if it keeps spreading as it has been in the US we could soon be back in the poop and needing a new vaccine. That or another method of tackling the virus.
One of my younger (40) but pleasantly plump buddies just finished a 10 day stay in the hospital for the virus...refuses the death jab...just like I have to this point. Neil Cavuto says he would have been dead without the death soup jabs.
Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto returns to show after ICU stint, second positive COVID-19 test
Because I’ve had cancer and right now I have multiple sclerosis, I’m among the vulnerable three percenters or so of the population that cannot sustain the full benefits of a vaccine. In other words, it simply doesn’t last," Cavuto said. "But let me be clear, doctors say had I not been vaccinated at all, I wouldn’t be here. It provided some defense, but that is still better than no defense."
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-anchor-neil-cavuto-184458111.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-anchor-neil-cavuto-184458111.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)
Fathertime!
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One of my younger (40) but pleasantly plump buddies just finished a 10 day stay in the hospital for the virus...refuses the death jab...just like I have to this point. Neil Cavuto says he would have been dead without the death soup jabs.
Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto returns to show after ICU stint, second positive COVID-19 test
Because I’ve had cancer and right now I have multiple sclerosis, I’m among the vulnerable three percenters or so of the population that cannot sustain the full benefits of a vaccine. In other words, it simply doesn’t last," Cavuto said. "But let me be clear, doctors say had I not been vaccinated at all, I wouldn’t be here. It provided some defense, but that is still better than no defense."
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-anchor-neil-cavuto-184458111.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-anchor-neil-cavuto-184458111.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)
Fathertime!
Let's go Darwin. 8)
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Videos the media doesn't want you to see...
Heather McDonald, for some strange reason, were at an Improv stage during a show, cracking out how proud she is for being 'pro-vaccine' and had never caught COVID....right after sharing that, she collapsed and banged her head on the floor hard causing multiple skull fractures. The audience thinking it was part of her act, started laughing...
What caused her to faint, I never did find out...maybe it's the vaccine...IDK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yq31i4mTgM
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It was probably from all the blood she drank from a "ripe" baby.
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It was probably from all the blood she drank from a "ripe" baby.
it's ironic right when she finished saying ' Jesus must love me!" is when she collapsed.
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it's ironic right when she finished saying ' Jesus must love me!" is when she collapsed.
There never has been any word on why she collapsed. Probably adrenochrome withdrawl
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There never has been any word on why she collapsed. Probably adrenochrome withdrawl
Is that from experience? 8)
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There never has been any word on why she collapsed. Probably adrenochrome withdrawl
I tried to look for the reason before, including from her instagram site/video, but no given reason why. Maybe just as well, I guess...
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Is that from experience? 8)
Yeah yours :D Eat pizza much?
I tried to look for the reason before, including from her instagram site/video, but no given reason why. Maybe just as well, I guess...
There is no explanation given anywhere that I could find. I'd say that was by design
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Really reaching for straws. People don't faint THREE WEEKS after getting a booster shot.
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Really reaching for straws. People don't faint THREE WEEKS after getting a booster shot.
Boe, be easy on him. I think he is in the transition between 2020 epidemiologist to 2022 geopolitical scientist and most probably it is hard to articulate his thesis. 8)
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Really reaching for straws. People don't faint THREE WEEKS after getting a booster shot.
You read that on Google?
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Boe, be easy on him. I think he is in the transition between 2020 epidemiologist to 2022 geopolitical scientist and most probably it is hard to articulate his thesis. 8)
So this is where you attempt to convince me or others how educated you are? If that doesn't work just dazzle us with bullshit as usual? 8)
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You read that on Google?
I don't have to read it. I asked a physician, one who is a university professor. It's called "science".
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I don't have to read it. I asked a physician, one who is a university professor. It's called "science".
Oh yes, science like masking, distancing, smart viruses that know when you take your mask off in resturants and the like, Fauci science?
There have been many athletes falling out lately. Google those and see if you can ascertain why?
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I've already provided the science on masking. Yes, it does work.
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I've already provided the science on masking. Yes, it does work.
No, it doesn't. They are lying to you
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Sure. Hundreds of epidemiologists who have written papers of this issue are all lying, for the purpose of ensuring I lose my "freedom" to walk unmasked. That makes perfect sense (/s).
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No, it doesn't. They are lying to you
Sure. Hundreds of epidemiologists who have written papers of this issue are all lying, for the purpose of ensuring I lose my "freedom" to walk unmasked. That makes perfect sense (/s).
When FP starts in with the 'they are lying to you' silliness his argument has broken down. Soon the Pied piper will be marching in again.
All these doctors are not 'lying'. They could be wrong about things, but there is no grand conspiracy among 1000's of doctors to 'lie'.
Fathertime!
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All these doctors are not 'lying'. They could be wrong about things, but there is no grand conspiracy among 1000's of doctors to 'lie'.
Reminds me . . .
When I was a univ student, an elderly prof told me of stories back in the 1950s-60 when he was starting out.
There was a lot of talk that university professors had banded together as part of a communist conspiracy.
He said: He!! . . . we couldn't even agree where to have lunch.
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Today however, there is a huge tilt to the left in most university departments . . . except for Business Administration and Engineering . . . although there is no discernable plan or conspiracy as most are pretty much hard to control.
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When FP starts in with the 'they are lying to you' silliness his argument has broken down. Soon the Pied piper will be marching in again.
All these doctors are not 'lying'. They could be wrong about things, but there is no grand conspiracy among 1000's of doctors to 'lie'.
Fathertime!
LMAO! If they are 'wrong', but insist to be 'right - even MANDATE it as right - isn't that that the same as 'lying', maybe even worst than lying? Heck, Fauci outright lied to all of us from the word 'go', and he literally authored most if not all mandates we were all forced to adhere to.
Let me throw caution to your wind, FT. America's academia have taken a course on outright deception. They've even gone as far as rewriting history to our young - worst, any other narrative or thoughts other than their own doesn't deserve to be heard and must immediately be vanquished.
It's no small surprised fake news is prevalent in our society today. And why the Steele dossier and the whole Russiagate snared so many folks ( those amongst us who insist to always know it all), so very easily and with little effort.
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Sure. Hundreds of epidemiologists who have written papers of this issue are all lying, for the purpose of ensuring I lose my "freedom" to walk unmasked. That makes perfect sense (/s).
No, they are not lying for the purpose of ensuring you lose your 'freedom' to walk around unmasked.
They are lying because they are dishonest and corrupt. That dishonesty is used by others for political purposes to take away your freedoms.
Academia is morally bankrupt, and none can ever be trusted. They are the same level of scumbags as lawyers, politicians, and anyone who works in any tax-payer funded job. Their paycheck depends on being dishonest.
Academia knows what research they can receive funding for. They also know what research will ruin their career if they do it. They only do research that fits the narrative they want to support.
Furthermore, the medical research academia has done incredibly flawed and incompetent research, because they have not calculated side effects (economic, social, etc.) into their research of masking. Anyone who actually looks at real data can easily see that masking DOES NOT work. Vaccines DO NOT work. All it is is virtue signalling, which is a sign of moral bankruptcy. These people don't have the guts to say, "this is all BS."
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Sure. Hundreds of epidemiologists who have written papers of this issue are all lying, for the purpose of ensuring I lose my "freedom" to walk unmasked. That makes perfect sense (/s).
They're lying to you. Check your sources
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LMAO! If they are 'wrong', but insist to be 'right - even MANDATE it as right - isn't that that the same as 'lying', maybe even worst than lying? Heck, Fauci outright lied to all of us from the word 'go', and he literally authored most if not all mandates we were all forced to adhere to.
Let me throw caution to your wind, FT. America's academia have taken a course on outright deception. They've even gone as far as rewriting history to our young - worst, any other narrative or thoughts other than their own doesn't deserve to be heard and must immediately be vanquished.
Hola!
There is a big if in there. I think it is more than likely that mask do SOMETHING to limit transmission of the virus. There are indeed downsides to the masks too though. My boy has to wear his mask religiously. His teacher saw him on the street and didn't even recognize him...the child is merely another student-unit....It depersonalizes children with each other and their teacher.
I'm not for mandates, I still think it should be up to the individuals to decide.
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They're lying to you. Check your sources
I have. They aren't lying.
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I have. They aren't lying.
It would appear you are gaslighted beyond any hope of redemption. I will appeal one more time to your common sense that is, if it still exists. This will be my last attempt.
The same people who are trying and succeeding (to a degree) to depopulate the world, the UN, WEF and their various health organizations are requiring everyone wear a mask and follow their established protocols for a virus that has a .02% chance of killing you. These are the same people who provided the virus and, also are providing you the triple jab to supposedly protect you from the virus. This btw is a virus that your own body if allowed, will protect you from without a jab.
Science you say? Let's look at the science, shall we?
The common cold and flu has been with us for well over 100 years. They are a corona virus. Do you recall masks or triple jabs to flatten the curve at anytime in those 100 years?
HIV has been with us for 40 years and yet another corona virus. Never were we asked to mask up and flatten that curve either, wonder why? Safe sex was promoted though.
Since then we've had Ebola and numerous other corona viruses that are deathly and killing people and no masks, flattening the curve or "experimental jabs" for any of these corona viruses.
Covid 19 hit's the scene, we lockdown, social distance, wear masks to flatten the curve except, the curve doesn't flatten. The worlds governments throw all of there monetary resources and voil'a within in a week we have 4 experimental jabs getting injected into the worlds population.
Yet none of this raises your suspicions? Do you ever question where these viruses come from or are you still of the opinion they jumped from a bat to a human in the Wuhan wet market?
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It would appear you are gaslighted beyond any hope of redemption. I will appeal one more time to your common sense that is, if it still exists. This will be my last attempt.
Not a convincing attempt.
pt.
The same people who are trying and succeeding (to a degree) to depopulate the world, the UN, WEF and their various health organizations are requiring everyone wear a mask and follow their established protocols for a virus that has a .02% chance of killing you. These are the same people who provided the virus and, also are providing you the triple jab to supposedly protect you from the virus. This btw is a virus that your own body if allowed, will protect you from without a jab.
The world will begin depopulating all on its own with or without the corona virus. Without immigration legal and illegal the US would be losing population. Many other countries are also losing population and within a few decades all growth will be in Africa and parts of Asia.
Science you say? Let's look at the science, shall we?
The common cold and flu has been with us for well over 100 years. They are a corona virus. Do you recall masks or triple jabs to flatten the curve at anytime in those 100 years?
HIV has been with us for 40 years and yet another corona virus. Never were we asked to mask up and flatten that curve either, wonder why? Safe sex was promoted though.
Since then we've had Ebola and numerous other corona viruses that are deathly and killing people and no masks, flattening the curve or "experimental jabs" for any of these corona viruses.
Covid 19 hit's the scene, we lockdown, social distance, wear masks to flatten the curve except, the curve doesn't flatten. The worlds governments throw all of there monetary resources and voil'a within in a week we have 4 experimental jabs getting injected into the worlds population.
There are a lot of apple and oranges here. But no science.
Remember trump has been promoting the vaccination too and he has stated he is vaccinated. Is he lying...?
Yet none of this raises your suspicions? Do you ever question where these viruses come from or are you still of the opinion they jumped from a bat to a human in the Wuhan wet market?
Can't say for sure where the virus came from. Viruses can occur naturally so why would this one be any different ...
Fathertime!
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No, it doesn't. They are lying to you
LMFAO Sounds exactly like the Kayak commercial.
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Reminds me . . .
When I was a univ student, an elderly prof told me of stories back in the 1950s-60 when he was starting out.
There was a lot of talk that university professors had banded together as part of a communist conspiracy.
He said: He!! . . . we couldn't even agree where to have lunch.
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Today however, there is a huge tilt to the left in most university departments . . . except for Business Administration and Engineering . . . although there is no discernable plan or conspiracy as most are pretty much hard to control.
ML, there is a simple explanation to the "huge tilt to the left" in most departments. First, it is not a tilt to the left. It is called INFORMATION. The more you know the less you stick with misinformation. This scares a lot of people who need to keep their followers like mushrooms. So what are the scary terms this country has used for the last 80+ years? Socialism, Communism, LEFTIST. Et Voila, boogeyman.
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LMAO! If they are 'wrong', but insist to be 'right - even MANDATE it as right - isn't that that the same as 'lying', maybe even worst than lying? Heck, Fauci outright lied to all of us from the word 'go', and he literally authored most if not all mandates we were all forced to adhere to.
Let me throw caution to your wind, FT. America's academia have taken a course on outright deception. They've even gone as far as rewriting history to our young - worst, any other narrative or thoughts other than their own doesn't deserve to be heard and must immediately be vanquished.
It's no small surprised fake news is prevalent in our society today. And why the Steele dossier and the whole Russiagate snared so many folks ( those amongst us who insist to always know it all), so very easily and with little effort.
I hate to disappoint you however, there's not ONE scientist (real one) that has claimed they are right. Each one of them will tell you that they will offer the best assessment until new evidence is provided. The beauty about science is that it keeps evolving.
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I hate to disappoint you however, there's not ONE scientist (real one) that has claimed they are right. Each one of them will tell you that they will offer the best assessment until new evidence is provided. The beauty about science is that it keeps evolving.
No, I'm not disappointed about the evolution of science.
What I am disappointed is putting someone in charge who had become known as a pathological liar, and STILL allowed to mandate whatever the idiot dictates. It isn't 'science' when the very same idiot conspired to publicly demean, even censored and cancel, other scientific studies void of challenges for a constructive debate.
General consensus is NOT 'science'.
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ML, there is a simple explanation to the "huge tilt to the left" in most departments. First, it is not a tilt to the left. It is called INFORMATION. The more you know the less you stick with misinformation. This scares a lot of people who need to keep their followers like mushrooms. So what are the scary terms this country has used for the last 80+ years? Socialism, Communism, LEFTIST. Et Voila, boogeyman.
And yet it is in fact the 'left' that created 'Russiahoax'.
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No, I'm not disappointed about the evolution of science.
What I am disappointed is putting someone in charge who had become known as a pathological liar, and STILL allowed to mandate whatever the idiot dictates. It isn't 'science' when the very same idiot conspired to publicly demean, even censored and cancel, other scientific studies void of challenges for a constructive debate.
General consensus is NOT 'science'.
But, but, but,... Trump lost the election.
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But, but, but,... Trump lost the election.
...and this had anything to do with the discussion?
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It would appear you are gaslighted beyond any hope of redemption. I will appeal one more time to your common sense that is, if it still exists. This will be my last attempt.
The same people who are trying and succeeding (to a degree) to depopulate the world, the UN, WEF and their various health organizations are requiring everyone wear a mask and follow their established protocols for a virus that has a .02% chance of killing you. These are the same people who provided the virus and, also are providing you the triple jab to supposedly protect you from the virus. This btw is a virus that your own body if allowed, will protect you from without a jab.
Science you say? Let's look at the science, shall we?
The common cold and flu has been with us for well over 100 years. They are a corona virus. Do you recall masks or triple jabs to flatten the curve at anytime in those 100 years?
HIV has been with us for 40 years and yet another corona virus. Never were we asked to mask up and flatten that curve either, wonder why? Safe sex was promoted though.
Since then we've had Ebola and numerous other corona viruses that are deathly and killing people and no masks, flattening the curve or "experimental jabs" for any of these corona viruses.
Covid 19 hit's the scene, we lockdown, social distance, wear masks to flatten the curve except, the curve doesn't flatten. The worlds governments throw all of there monetary resources and voil'a within in a week we have 4 experimental jabs getting injected into the worlds population.
Yet none of this raises your suspicions? Do you ever question where these viruses come from or are you still of the opinion they jumped from a bat to a human in the Wuhan wet market?
You're the one who has been gaslighted beyond common sense.
Unlike the flu and colds, COVID is not a natural virus. It is a natural virus that was genetically modified. The 2% rate of death is precisely because of all the precautions taken.
If you follow the science, you would know why vaccines were developed so quickly.
There are far more efficient ways to depopulate the world than introducing a virus then taking steps to stop it. Why not let it run rampant? Why not unleash something like the Marburg virus or ebola, which have far, far higher rates of death?
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You're the one who has been gaslighted beyond common sense.
Unlike the flu and colds, COVID is not a natural virus. It is a natural virus that was genetically modified. The 2% rate of death is precisely because of all the precautions taken.
If you follow the science, you would know why vaccines were developed so quickly.
There are far more efficient ways to depopulate the world than introducing a virus then taking steps to stop it. Why not let it run rampant? Why not unleash something like the Marburg virus or ebola, which have far, far higher rates of death?
COVID-19 is NOT a virus.
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COVID-19 is NOT a virus.
DAMN!!!!!
Bridge for sale. Cheap!
Holy Shit!
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Do tell. Take your time.
Ironic considering the title of this thread, and certain members displaying their attempts as authorities to the subject at hand.
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Do tell. Take your time.
Ironic considering the title of this thread, and certain members displaying their attempts as authorities to the subject at hand.
I'd refer you to some virologists, microbiologist but that would be a waste of time. You see, their lifetime careers are nothing compare to your Qanon knowledge.
I actually thought different of you.
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I'd refer you to some virologists, microbiologist but that would be a waste of time. You see, their lifetime careers are nothing compare to your Qanon knowledge.
I actually thought different of you.
LMAO! You had NO IDEA that COVID-19 is NOT a virus. Sars-CoV2 is THE virus, and COVID-19 is the disease. Now if its too much for you to admit your silly ignorance on the subject, that's OK with me too.
Just glad to be of help. (funny the bold large font though - bridge for sale and all :::chuckle:::: virologists, egg..face...LMAO)
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Damn, what a child. ::) :rolleyes:
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Damn, what a child. ::) :rolleyes:
Glad to help a bruddah out, man! Going forward, now you know what COVID-19 is.
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I never claimed expertise on COVID. Calling it a virus is shorthand.
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I never claimed expertise on COVID. Calling it a virus is shorthand.
Considering the title of the thread, just thought to coin that in.
Didn't expect the over-zealous erroneous reaction though. Ironic.
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I never claimed expertise on COVID. Calling it a virus is shorthand.
Boe, I learned when my kids were babies and needing attention they would cry until they were picked up. Eventually, I learned from that so let them cry, of course making sure they were okay, until they got tired and stopped. That was it.
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Boe, I learned when my kids were babies and needing attention they would cry until they were picked up. Eventually, I learned from that so let them cry, of course making sure they were okay, until they got tired and stopped. That was it.
Irony #2: From my vantage point, as would for any reader who can follow our latest exchanges, it is rather YOU who had been reacting like a child, no?
Just say 'my bad', Muzh. Why make this even worse than it is?
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I dont play a virologist in life or on TV, :(
But this genetically altered virus,
Hasnt appeared to have done a damn thing different than every other virus does as far as mutation within its strain.
Polio mutates often as well ,mulitple times quarterly ,and has for decades and decades.
And hey,
"The 2% mortality rate is precisely from all the precautions taken?"
Interesting perspective.
There are scientific studies that dispute that,unless a shift in tenths of percent in the big picture of a world pandemic would be earth shattering.
7 billion of us,many of which are not vaccinated and live in mich more densely populated areas with and far less opportunities to self isolate, with work etc etc
There are tons of studies on past viral pathogens that show this curve of downward mortality percentage to be typical, with all the various reasons why that is almost always the case, and this virus has followed those old school type projections to a T ,despite media hysteria otherwise.
And it will continue on that curve like almost every other viral threat has.
I'm not down playing the mortality, or suffering of individuals.
I'm pointing out the initial observations of any viral pathogens mortality rate , including this one ,decline from the initial percent naturally due to things like initial studies cant take into account the number of exposed whom were asymptomatic.
We are two years into this and that number is still an unknown .
After 2 years, of a fairly contagious virus ,perhaps we should be looking into the percent of unexposed?
If you have western countries ranging from 50 to 80% innoculated, and a given percent already exposed ,what are we left protecting?
Let's discuss the futility of it all if you look at wildlife and domestic animals, the millions of minks they found with it which mutated and past back to the workers...
That genetically altered (arnt they all? ) genie was never going to be put back in the lab bottle (or origin host organism )
But somehow on this grand scale
including animals, our overlords' fearless mandates reduced the actual world wide human impact by umm ,yeah
Well let's just see..get back to.me...in ten years :)
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Unlike the flu and colds, COVID is not a natural virus. It is a natural virus that was genetically modified. The 2% rate of death is precisely because of all the precautions taken.
So, you have accepted the fact that it isn't a natural virus and jumped from a bat in a cave to a human or the same result in the Wuhan wet market? There are numerous threads on this forum where you made that declaration. We can agree that it was manipulated and engineered in a lab as a fast spreading virus to infect as many as possible. Who, pray tell would manipulate such a virus to do that? I will offer to you, that it is the same people who have offered you the cure, profited greatly, took from most people their basic fundamental rights while killing the worlds economy. Who are those people? Who did it and why?
The 2% death rate was not affected by the protocols and measures shoved down our collective throats. Those measures flew directly into the face of the science we knew to be true.
One of those measures are wearing medical masks. These masks are designed for temporary use in medical theatre, for splatter. Not for the filtering of microscopic aerosols in the air in which we breathe. Masks do not filter breathable air. They offer zero protection from microscopic aerosols. If you want protection breathe pure oxygen in a pressurized suit with a respirator. The masks do not provide that function. THAT is science we know, don't we? Masks are nothing more than a symbol of compliance. They offer no protection from air
If you follow the science, you would know why vaccines were developed so quickly.
Oh please, do explain? Again, is this Fauci science or science we knew to be true prior to covid19? Just where and how did those vaccines get developed so quickly?
There are far more efficient ways to depopulate the world than introducing a virus then taking steps to stop it. Why not let it run rampant? Why not unleash something like the Marburg virus or ebola, which have far, far higher rates of death?
Your guess is as good as mine. I would suspect there is no profit from something as terminal as ebola. We'd be dead before they could get us jabbed and they might catch it themselves. We have yet to find out what the what the death toll of the jabs are going to be. The short term certainly looks bad, the long term isn't so good either. Know who it is that you are dealing with
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But, but, but,... Trump lost the election.
What is on Hunter's laptop anyway? You know, beside the Joe supplied crackpipe and porn?
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What is on Hunter's laptop anyway? You know, beside the Joe supplied crackpipe and porn?
Umm, I'll take Ukrainian blood for $xxx, Alex
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Umm, I'll take Ukrainian blood for $xxx, Alex
:ROFL:
Speaking of which, what happened to Weiner's laptop and covid19 since Putin's invasion. Good answer's for next week's show
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So, you have accepted the fact that it isn't a natural virus and jumped from a bat in a cave to a human or the same result in the Wuhan wet market? There are numerous threads on this forum where you made that declaration. We can agree that it was manipulated and engineered in a lab as a fast spreading virus to infect as many as possible. Who, pray tell would manipulate such a virus to do that? I will offer to you, that it is the same people who have offered you the cure, profited greatly, took from most people their basic fundamental rights while killing the worlds economy. Who are those people? Who did it and why?
The 2% death rate was not affected by the protocols and measures shoved down our collective throats. Those measures flew directly into the face of the science we knew to be true.
One of those measures are wearing medical masks. These masks are designed for temporary use in medical theatre, for splatter. Not for the filtering of microscopic aerosols in the air in which we breathe. Masks do not filter breathable air. They offer zero protection from microscopic aerosols. If you want protection breathe pure oxygen in a pressurized suit with a respirator. The masks do not provide that function. THAT is science we know, don't we? Masks are nothing more than a symbol of compliance. They offer no protection from air
Oh please, do explain? Again, is this Fauci science or science we knew to be true prior to covid19? Just where and how did those vaccines get developed so quickly?
Your guess is as good as mine. I would suspect there is no profit from something as terminal as ebola. We'd be dead before they could get us jabbed and they might catch it themselves. We have yet to find out what the what the death toll of the jabs are going to be. The short term certainly looks bad, the long term isn't so good either. Know who it is that you are dealing with
No, I never claimed the virus came from a wet market. I never believed that. I always thought it came from a lab. However, I didn't believe it had been tinkered with. I thought it was a natural virus that had "escaped". You cannot fine ONE post where I claimed the virus came from a wet market. That always seemed rather fanciful to me.
If the same people who manufactured the virus came up with the cure, then it seems to me this isn't done, as you claim, to control the world/curtail our freedoms. It was just out of profit/greed.
Masks are designed to control for illness as well. N95 masks, for example, are designed specifically for this purpose.
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No, I never claimed the virus came from a wet market. I never believed that. I always thought it came from a lab. However, I didn't believe it had been tinkered with. I thought it was a natural virus that had "escaped". You cannot fine ONE post where I claimed the virus came from a wet market. That always seemed rather fanciful to me
Mmm Yes, you did. I distinctly you and the micro biologist expert Moobs both making those claims. You both then switching to the cave theory months or even weeks later. Don't worry as I'm not digging it up. You might've scrubbed it anyway
If the same people who manufactured the virus came up with the cure, then it seems to me this isn't done, as you claim, to control the world/curtail our freedoms. It was just out of profit/greed.
Profit,greed, power pretty much all the same things when referring to those elites that keep score with those tally's. There has been a race for world domination as the sooner you wake up to that one invariable fact and the players involved seriously, the better off we'll all be. People will LIE to you
Masks are designed to control for illness as well. N95 masks, for example, are designed specifically for this purpose.
Pulleeze. N95 masks are designed for nothing more than dust particles and like the med masks they do an excellent job at what they are designed for. When will you awake from your stupor? NONE of those WHO approved masks are designed to protect you from aerosol microbes? Pressurized suits and respirators are what you're looking for. There are no substitutes. Even those do not provide 100% protection. Go ahead, look it up. Google might sneak that through
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N95 masks are used in hospitals, so they are designed for more than dust particles.
I have never claimed COVID originated in a market. I also never posted that it originated in a cave. If you are so convinced, find those posts.
I can't "scrub" posts. If they have been deleted (and I can assure you, I did not delete my posts on this subject), the are still available to you in a search. It seems to me you are telling lies to yourself, and trying to justify them.
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N95 masks are used in hospitals, so they are designed for more than dust particles.
Wrong. N95 masks have been around for dozens of years and designed for dust particles, mostly used in construction. They were not designed for "more than dust particles". If you can breathe while wearing a N95 mask, there is no protection from aerosol microbes. Those microbes will enter your lungs as you breathe. They are in the air you breathe that is required to keep you vertical. Users in hospitals are protected from nothing more than splatter and dust. This is science, too. Science we have known since jr high chemistry. Your handlers demand you forget this, why? BECAUSE THEY TOLD YOU TO. Wear the mask and comply.
I have never claimed COVID originated in a market. I also never posted that it originated in a cave. If you are so convinced, find those posts.
I can't "scrub" posts. If they have been deleted (and I can assure you, I did not delete my posts on this subject), the are still available to you in a search. It seems to me you are telling lies to yourself, and trying to justify them.
Yes you did. I'm not searching it largely because I don't care and I know of what I speak. Feel free to deny it all you wish, you have scrubbed many a posts on this board, you know and I know.
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Speaking of which, what happened to Weiner's laptop and covid19 since Putin's invasion. Good answer's for next week's show
Along with Durham report findings ;)
It's funny how the one really corrupt country ,that the US should have marginal foreign interest in as its not like a great deal of product trade occurs , has billions of u.s. funds funneled into and laundered * ,has a vps son who has no real resumee, seated on a large energy companies payroll.
it wasnt in australia,Japan, Germany, wasn't the Bahamas, UAE, or much nicer places to be employed if your father has some pull and clout...
it was Ukraine, that classic spot most preppy wealthy young men full of nepotism dream.to be placed in a job.
And to this day It's mostly not explained.
You'd think running for pres, it might be the first thing you'd clearly be transparent about and provide all information regarding his hire.
You'd think any American would go hmm.thats more than odd.
It did help put spotlight that country during the last decade,in our media
and now it is invaded...
Where they scheduled to testify at a special congressional.hearing?
Because that seems to be very very bad fir an individual or countries health.
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Nope. I know what I believe, and I know what I have posted. You can't find those posts not because you can't be bothered to look, but because they don't exist. They never have. The fact is, you're doubling down on your lie.
I did post that a Canadian expert had stated that the virus was not man made. That's true and untrue. It is a natural virus, but the latest research seems to indicate the virus was tinkered with.