DOUBLE DEALERS

[Bruno]

I just discovered that the photos used by my most active double dealer(s)/scammer(s) actually belong to Czech porn star Jana Cova, who is even mentioned on Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Cova .

The photos are probably "borrowed" from:
- http://www.clubjanacova.com/
- http://www.pornstarbook.com/jana_cova.shtml

Hey... maybe it is really her... She is born in 1980 and until 1989, Czechoslovakia was a FSU country... maybe she try to find a honest husband and start a new life...

Hello boys, who wish a ex-pornstar born in FSU... she is young, have the money and know how to use her body for give you a lot of pleasure... you have financial problem !!! Ok, make a porn film during your honeymoon... 

EDIT : Hmmm, the title from one of her film from last year is called "Jack's Playground"... so, you see... owner of FSU marriage agency are involved DEEPLY 

[Mir]

I think FSU stands for 'Formar Soviet Union'
While Czechoslovakia did have a Communist government in power and was a satellite of Soviet Russia it was never a part of The Soviet Union.

[2tallbill]

TallBill, and others who still haven't snapped to reality yet.

We read often of the large numbers of very beautiful girls one sees in the FSU Discos, they are easy to talk to and usually one can be "chatted up" without too much trouble.  For those who haven't figured it out yet, those girls didn't come to the Disco wanting only to spend the night dancing with other girls.  since the clubs close in the wee hours of the morning, do you suppose after dancing all night, those girls have the energy to get up and go to a regular job during the day?  I cannot say with 100% certainty, but most likely that girl you got "lucky" with at the Disco has been earning her living meeting foreign dollars at the Disco for quite some time.  The FSU Disco has supplanted the cathouse in modern times.

This phemon also gives the girls engaged in the sex trade a credible "out" when someone asks her a hard question.  You do the math.

I know this is an old post. I also know that I could be completely wrong. I did not agree to vouch for a woman because I could not do so.

But I have had my pictures and profile hijacked. I did not have anything to do with the site that took my pictures and profile, and they possibly showed them to Russian woman. I went to the site and changed my photos and profile so that no woman would ever want me.

Is it impossible that this happened to a woman as well? None of her photos showed her in the buff. They were also inaccurate about her height by several inches. Maybe they were estimating? Maybe they had another woman that they would substitute for her?

She could be as guilty as Judas............

But it is possible she was not. She denied it. She lived in a different city. She said that her photos were stolen. I know that my pictures and profile have been stolen. Do scammers in Russia only scam men?

JB you could be 100% correct or not. I met the woman only one time for lunch. I consider myself a good judge, but I know I could be wrong. I will not vouch my reputation saying she is Mother Theresa.

But she did not strike me as that kind of woman. Of course I could be wrong. That is all I can say.

Take care,

Bill

[SANDRO43]

Is it impossible that this happened to a woman as well? None of her photos showed her in the buff.

What's your point, Bill, Mila-Maria again ? If so, you may go here:

http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-3193.html

and, after paying a few dollars for the privilege, you will be able to see her 4 additional photos (probably not very chaste ), and satisfy yourself about her true nature.

With regard to the case in point, it's quite understandable that a hooker should "borrow" the photos of a stunner like Jana Cova to attract new customers, this is not the only case in my portfolio (e.g. Diana Orlova used those of Canadian escort Rikki).

As for the corresponding profiles on dating sites, I think it's either the same case (using the chaster photos, usually) or, since the sites involved are mostly "questionable",  a made-up identity again to attract customers.

Or, more likely in my personal interpretation, an attempt at finding a new "career" .

[2tallbill]

The woman is also listed at 165 CM when she is actually somewhere around 175 to 178.
I don't know of women who routinely underestimate their height by 10 to 13 cm.

I am not going to vouch for her, I really don't know her. I spent maybe an hour with her
eating and talking.

Bill

[SANDRO43]

The woman is also listed at 165 CM when she is actually somewhere around 175 to 178. I don't know of women who routinely underestimate their height by 10 to 13 cm. I am not going to vouch for her, I really don't know her. I spent maybe an hour with her
eating and talking.

Bill, you ALREADY made those comments months ago. Is there anything NEW you want to add ? Otherwise, I miss the intent of your new post on this subject.

[2tallbill]

Sandro, your right

Take care,

Bill

[SANDRO43]

Update to my list (http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm):

- One new entry (no. 52, also known as scammer)

[Eastguy]

I am not sure i see what the outrage is.

Just because she has been a Hoe doens tme she doenst need or want  a husband or it automaticcaly is a scam.?

Is the likelihood of a scam higher?
Yes,

But I woudlnt be at all surpoised if the percentage of prostetites that are looking for  a foreign husband is higher than that of the female population at large.

because:
-The local boy know of them and look down on them
-they are trained to look for older/monied men anyway
-its nt a good life so they ahve high incentive to change it.

So if I girl is a former prostitite it does not automatically imply a scam IMO.

Even though our puritan snesibilites may want us to think otherwise.
My 2 cents

 

[SANDRO43]

I am not sure i see what the outrage is. Just because she has been a Hoe doens tme she doenst need or want a husband or it automaticcaly is a scam? Is the likelihood of a scam higher? Yes, But I woudlnt be at all surpoised if the percentage of prostetites that are looking for  a foreign husband is higher than that of the female population at large. because:
-The local boy know of them and look down on them
-they are trained to look for older/monied men anyway
-its nt a good life so they ahve high incentive to change it.
So if I girl is a former prostitite it does not automatically imply a scam IMO. Even though our puritan snesibilites may want us to think otherwise. My 2 cents

Eastguy, perhaps you miss the point of my list, which is that these girls omit to specify their particular skills on dating sites, where they usually register under different names/ages/places of residence/etc. and occupation, although in some cases hooking may be their second, part-time job

Therefore it is a special type of scam, not involving the usual requests for money (unless they are also "normal" scammers, as the last case I posted), but an identity fraud.

And, in my neck of the woods, puritan sensibilities are not as much in evidence as in yours, I'd say, and therefore not part of my motivation to list them as a warning to unwary WM. Or would you rather let this go unnoticed ?

Not to mention the marginal fact that these girls are not former prostitutes, but currently have active profiles on "professional" websites, and are therefore still soliticing business.

[Eastguy]

Good response Sandro.

[SANDRO43]

Update to my list (http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm):

- One new entry (no. 53), Dina from Simferopol (must be hard to commute all the way to Moscow for her "other" job ).

[BillyB]

Sandro, your latest link is not working. Better get it working before some guy makes the mistake of getting involved with that beautiful, deceiving, and naked woman.

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, your latest link is not working. Better get it working before some guy makes the mistake of getting involved with that beautiful, deceiving, and naked woman.

Working now, BillyB, it was that damn ellipsis ... I appreciate your brotherly concern for newbies' welfare .

[SANDRO43]

May I present 33 yo Oksana/Ksenia Kovtun/Kovtoun from SPB, latest entry (no. 54) in my list (http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm).

Oksana is persistent in her search, with no less than 29 profiles on 19 different sites over the past 6 years, and she favours Bride Ru in particular, with a new profile and photos almost every year (always under her name, to her credit).

I was not totally certain about her, since her only freely-viewable photo (http://www.russiansexyladies.com/model/2938/) is none too distinct. However, enlarging it somewhat revealed the unmistakable mole on her left chin .

P.S:: I'm indebted to Jack for providing a link to "Russian Sexy Ladies", a site hitherto unknown to me, featuring 2,700+ girls with some familiar faces .

[2tallbill]

Sandro, You are honestly trying to telling me that the whip ISN'T for the
training of Lions, Tigers and Bears? 

Take care,

Bill

[SANDRO43]

Today's newsletter from Lava Place included 30 y.o. student from Kiev GoldSilver (www.lavaplace.com/GoldSilver/), a familiar face , so here's entry no. 55 in my list (www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm).

[Gator]

30 years old and her occupation is "student".  Give me a break - "student" is dead giveaway. 

I suppose at 30 she realizes that soon she will not be able to command the big fees for selling love, so she is thinking it is time to marry while her package still has value.  She sure is pretty, and unsuspecting men will write her and meet her.

[Shadow]

30 years old and her occupation is "student".  Give me a break - "student" is dead giveaway. 

I bet she is studying 'Communications' 

[SANDRO43]

30 years old and her occupation is "student".  Give me a break - "student" is dead giveaway.

Sir, how dare you formulate such vile innuendos .

I'll have you know that I was a worker/student myself up to 33, although admittedly in a somewhat different professional area .

[Eduard]

When I was going through the list I found these two on Hot Russian Brides:
User ID 103389  and Maria75 User ID 168328.  The latter was active on  live chat at the moment.  I let their live hostess know.  I will keep you posted about what they do.

when I used to go through profiles on some agency sites about 5 years ago and also looked on Russian sites I saw many of the same beautiful girls...on agency sites they were these beautiful little angels looking for a good man for creation of family...at the same time they were advertising prostitute services on Russian dating sites and escort sites...
Being a native Russian speaker I can tell a prostitute from a good girl by talking to them in a few minutes. But how does a WM know the difference?

[Gator]

Not long ago I became embroiled in a debate with Jack and Leslie about this, both of whom seem to have some experience with consorting with low women.  They claimed that prostitution is rampant in the FSU, while I have never encountered it. So I am perhaps the last man to ask how to tell the difference.

All I know is that I never encountered one knowingly in 25 or more real dates (a date being at least an evening dinner, frequently multiple days together).  Perhaps it is because I avoided women with Internet photos showing them in bikinis, dolled up with heavy makeup, or posing provocatively.  In addition, their profile must speak a message of wholesome values.  Then when talking with them, they had to seem genuine, able to discuss a serious subject in an intellectual manner.

Maybe one or two of my dates had retired from the business because I was dating women past the prime age for hooking.  If so, they did not resemble my image of retired hooker.  A few really knew what to do, but that is no guarantee.

[WmGO]

Being a native Russian speaker I can tell a prostitute from a good girl by talking to them in a few minutes. But how does a WM know the difference?

Well, why don't you make a contribution to the Board by explaining
in detail exactly how a WM is supposed to know how to spot such a
woman?

Same, but with what you referred to as "skanks" in a previous thread.

 

[Eduard]

Well, why don't you make a contribution to the Board by explaining
in detail exactly how a WM is supposed to know how to spot such a
woman?

Same, but with what you referred to as "skanks" in a previous thread.

 

did you notice that I put a question mark at the end of my sentence. It was a question. I really don't know how you can tell if you are not a native russian speaker.
Women typically can act and are not thaT easy to figure out unless you know what to look for and obviously speak the same language and come from the same culture so that you could distinguish little nuances and suttleties in what and HOW they say things, body language, slang, eye expressions, overall aura...
I think that if you are an American who's lived his life and has seen things you would be able to tell a good down to earth Midwestern girl from a Miami call girl, don't you think?

[viking]

I think its a pretty safe bet she is a hooker when she asks for $200 for a good time. Most of these girls are not going to waste a lot of time. Being subtle is not their strong point. Of course a woman who is a pro-dater or a scammer will see you as more of a long term investment, will not ask for money right away but string you along for awhile (Days, weeks, months).